I feel like it’s possible for season five to become better, but only if they deliver on plot points that felt rushed this season. Honestly, it’s fine if their journey is as slow as it has been in season four, but only if each of those episodes really focuses on the characters themselves, and I feel like season five has the possibility to help flesh out points introduced this season. For example, Callum and Rayla: maybe they do get back together early on, but halfway through the season that lingering tension becomes too much to bear and they’re forced to have the discussion regarding a simple fact, that Rayla left Callum, and that’s going to affect their relationship. If they treat other plot points similarly and continue to flesh them out, not only will season five be received better, but it may also improve how we look back on season four
Also Soren and Viren’s interaction made Off Screen in S4 finale, I will never forgive the writers for just cutting out any dialogue and reactions from Viren seeing his “failed son” again. It makes the next episode we see Soren tied up feel empty and in some weird way generic like why bring him with the villain group as a hostage at all if for no emotional depth. Either season 5 needs to fix the damage done for that with some small flashback or conversation Soren has with Rayla and Callum about seeing Viren again or this is just a metaphorical bad wound.
Season 5 did not fix much unfortunately. Sure it was better but it was like season 4 everything felt so slow and cluttered idea wth was going on with the sun elf plot im just upset that the dragon prince is starting to drop from its once quality filled seasons to crop....
I trust that they'll fix things. I mean they're clearly capable of writing a good show, for all we know everyone on the show was just burnt out and depressed with season 4.
Even if it was a set up, there are too many things that bothered me. *Callum and Rayla's relationship, obviously. I wish Rayla didn't come back, if she continued searching, she might have found leads on her own and they would have reunited bitterly on the journey and made the conflict more meaningful. Ezran's too perfect or nice, which makes him boring this season Not looking forward to Terry's demise, we all know she'll choose her father over him. The humor: Way too much.
For Terry hopefully when she chooses her father it won't be through him dying. We now see how the Bury your gays trope is bad so hopefully that would go to trans characters to.
@@cristyflaherty4902 Personally I’m kinda hoping that Claudia goes off the deep end in the later “seasons” and becomes full Arcane Jinx route, being Aaravos right hand. In other words give me fully unhinged Claudia going down the dark path please in Seasons 5 and 6.
@@animezilla4486 I would be fine if they just have less or no more fart jokes in the future, did not need to learn that apparently people believe Claudia has some fart fetish from her new boyfriend.
@@toadlord8594 well Claudia was kind of a weird character to be honest with you and besides I think the point of those fart jokes was to show that there still is good in the character and she can possibly come back from the darkness
Yeah people can over criticize certain shows and movies when they aren’t met with their expectations after leaving Season 3 pretty well made. But Season 4 clearly wasn’t the best compared to Seasons 1 through 3 but it’s still somewhat decent with some good scenes and music for me. I wouldn’t call it disastrous but it wasn’t great either.
True but I hated that they called it mystery of Aaravos and then barley have him in it. Literally all prior seasons had more screen time of aaravos than this one. Still don’t know his motives either, how he was able to possess Callum, how he broke the looking glass and what that new creature is all about. And then Soren’s reaction to seeing his dad was literally caught off and jumped to a new scene. I was pissed to say the least. Have to say that Claudia’s new bf was an amazing addition. But another bad note, i have no idea what that staff hunt meant and if Claudia wielding the sun staff still contained the sun’s primal source since she never used a spell related to it. Since Lux Auria lost all its power, shouldn’t that make the sun staff an ultimate weapon? In S3 they did awesome feats with its power, but now it looks like an accessory. So yeah, in conclusion, I do think this season was weird and horribly designed. Happy we get 3 more seasons tho. Really hope they’re gonna increase the amount of episodes or just make them longer so a year wait wouldn’t feel so bad
callum and raylas relationship being ruined kinda ruined the season. BUT, my theory is that they did this to divert our attention. specifically towards aaravos. think about it, if season's 5 and 6 are also based on aaravos, then we need to pay real good attention to him and his lore this season. but if we get distracted by callum and raylas relationship, we might not understand the main conflict in the next 2 seasons. either way though, I feel like this season could have done way better
I think part of the problem is that these seasons aren't really seasons at all, they're parts of a season. Seasons 1 - 3 were the same way, with Seasons 1 and 2 not really having much in the way of a solid conclusion but rather just sort of an abrupt stop, and only with season 3 was there any true resolution. Seasons 4 - 6 will probably be much the same, with Seasons 4 and 5 merely being pieces of a bigger whole, and only Season 6 giving us anything approaching a conclusion to anything. That being said... Season 4 is definitely the weakest season overall. Season 1 was a bit weak too, but it had the First Season excuse so it gets a pass, and seasons 2 and 3 were both solid. Season 4, however, lacking the excuse of Season 1, simply felt lackluster. Too much time was wasted on a C plot that did absolutely nothing to expand on the story, the world, or anything of value. You could have cut the whole plot with the Sun Elves/Humans awkwardness entirely and very little would have changed, or if it needed to be in, the amount we got could have been condensed into a single episode or small bits of 2 episodes at most... not stretched out among all 9. It was boring, uninteresting, and generally felt like a waste of time.
hey dude the sun elf/human awkwardness as you put it is a very tenuous peace and one that can and will develop into a bloodbath as sun elves and humans have been at war since the split between xadia and the human states.
honestly, the whole sun elf thing just felt filler, a way to meet the regular episode time. it didn't really help the story in any way, it was just sorta there in the background, except it took up a good chunk of each episode. honestly, had the sun elf stuff been replaced with focusing on characters and the main conflict (aaravos) season 4 would've done MUCH better also, callum and raylas relationship really got ruined. I feel like it was completely unnecessary to ruin the ship, because the writers really had something going. but they messed it up pretty badly. anyway, I hope season 5 won't have the same issues, I'm excited for it!
@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 but the sun elf/human stuff shown in the episodes wasn't even useful, it just felt very filler. but if they had the time to animate it, they definitely had time to make a better storyline. i don't know what the writers were doing throughout all the sunfire elf stuff, but they definitely could've done better
7:18 The worst thing a writer could do is change their story halfway because of a few vocal members of the audience. Those kinds of criticisms are what you take in for a future project, not a current one.
I’m hoping season 5 can get things back on track. Season 4 felt like a mess they should have just gotten rid on the sun elves plot. Then focus on team A Callum, Rayla, and Ezran and team B Viran, Claudia, and Terry. Then have their stories come together like finale did.
I hate when show or movies do this. There is no reason to have two different plot line where the only connection is basically that they are happening at the same time. The heroes and villain plotline are fine because they are part of the main plot line, but the sun elves have no sense that it would affect the main plot at all.
@@Bluedragon-iz3oo don’t forget how contrived the sun fire elves plot. It all started because of a fire that easily could have been moved out of the camp. Or contained in a way it wouldn’t set the tents on fire.
Yesterday I keep hearing over and over again about why would the sun elves that important to the plot well here's the thing they recently lost their home so you tell me the show shouldn't address that
@@animezilla4486 I personally liked the Sun Elves plot for potential world building and first time learning about at least one species of Elves in TDP, gotten kinda boring but only kept my attention on lore wise. thought they would focus on Lux Aroia (however they named it) and retaking it next season cause it would suck to wait until the final season for them to get their damn shiny castle back.
No, the many problem with sun elves plot is not following the show do not tell rule. If they showed the sun elves staring, at queens new girlfriend, that would put a little bit of weight for the bigotry brother. And if they had more then just one incident with the sun elves and humans would improve this sub plots conflict.
Honestly the thing that disappointing me the most was Amaya and Janai's relationship. You're telling me that they're getting married, that they've been together and very in love for two whole years, and Janai can't even sign? I know ASL, it takes about two years in a formal classroom setting to become conversationally fluent. What Janai had was essentially 3 private tutors (Amaya, Kazi, and Gren) constantly in her life for TWO WHOLE YEARS!!! That's a hell of a lot better of an education than I got, and I thought my education was pretty good! There was no excuse on part of the writers as to why she and Amaya couldn't have had entire conversations in sign. No, Janai wouldn't have been perfect, but they shouldn't be having conversations the exact same way as they were back when they met. If they were genuinely in love here, as the show is presenting them to be, then Janai would want to be fluent in her wife's primary language. The fact that they're getting married when Janai can't even ask in sign correctly is just abysmal for representation and realism. The fact that they don't add captions for Amaya's signed dialogue is... questionable at best because it feeds into a oral-first narrative, that only people who know ASL should be able to understand what she's saying unless the interpreter is around. I don't think other shows do that for their characters, its always either captioned or only certain words in a different language are said for a specific effect. The effect we're getting here is setting things up for lack of access, pushing Amaya to the background because the writers don't know how to involve her when Gren isn't around, and Amaya not having any real characterization or growth outside of the people who speak for her. Just caption her damn dialogue, make Janai fluent and sign with her to talk, stop making Gren the third-wheel translator. Let the two of them have whole conversations in ASL like a couple of this situation would most certainly do and caption it so the audience is in the loop!!! And have voiceover for descriptive audio viewers, EASY SOLUTION.
It’s just like Lady Rainicorn in Adventure Time. She speaks Korean if I remember. The only time we know what she’s saying is if Jake is around and even then he doesn’t translate most of the time. I personally don’t mind it. I enjoyed looking up what she was saying. As it felt like an Easter egg. Only those that cared enough to look up what she was saying was let in on the joke. Same as with Amaya. Sometimes Amaya tells jokes and you only know if you either know sign language or look it up
@@natashavelasquez1841 But look at how Lady Rainicorn was treated. Can you tell me any of her personality traits? Can you tell me anything about her? How she feels about it? You probably can't save for the few episodes she was spotlit, and even then most of the things we were told were through another character. Rainicorn was totally sidelined. The difference between her and Amaya though is that Rainicorn is a side character with few appearances. Amaya is poised to be a near main character with her own storylines alongside the main cast. Her treatment is just unexcuseable to me. Its either laziness or bigotry, I cant tell which is worse.
@@excalibur2078 Absolutely. Two years and still living in tents? When you have all of Katolis' resources to lean on? And your own workforce? There is no good reason why they haven't at least started on building a new permanent settlement. It's all in the piss poor writing of this season.
Amaya's dialogue is captioned this season, in the scenes where no one orally translates for her. The instances are rare, and you have to have subtitles on, but they have started captioning her ASL. I do agree there should be more signed conversations though, without oral components.
I actually have a lot more hope for season 5 then I probably should, and that's for various reasons. I hear a few of the writers/crew members talk about how much more happens in season 5, such as an interview where the creator says something really big happens at the end of season 5. the reason why audiences say this season felt short and rushed is because not much really happened this season. Ibis dies, Rayla gets her parents back, The bad guys get a map to where the final boss is most likely at, and we all learn why we should be worried about Aaravos. Not much happens, but what does happen is to set up other parts of the next season. In season 5, Rayla's gonna have to deal with a 3-way conflict of herself, her friends and her parents. There will also be the bad guys trying to get to the x on the map. I genuinely believe this will be the lowest the series will ever get, even if the future seasons aren't as good as the first three. If season 4 is the setup season, Then the season 5 will have to be payoff. These 2 seasons were linked since that old comic con event where they shared that the saga was 3 phases, and 4 and 5 were the 2nd phase (they changed it since then, but you see what I mean). Plus, the creators seemed to have acknowledged some of the feedback, with the humor about fart jokes. And they seem to have more control on their own show than we realize (they took 3 years and netflix said they couldn't do anything about it). At least I expect they can cut and rework some possible problems that likely carried on from season 4. Idk what else to say, I am just gonna be sitting here until s5 with my ass clenched and fingers crossed. I really hope that I'm not wrong about s5 but we can only wait.
Whatever the creators (or anyone else profiting from the show) says, doesn’t mean anything to me. Because what else would they say? “Hey guys, season 5 will be even worse so don’t watch it, we don’t want money”. Now, I don’t believe the next season will be worse, but I just don’t wanna be disappointed again so I’ll keep my expectations on the ground as of now.
It's a popular thing to do these days. Every hear of a video game called Final Fantasy XV? You're supposed to watch the movie before you actually play the game, because much of the game's plot will not make much sense if you haven't seen that movie. It's the thing they do in fantasy themed multi-media brands now...
As an amateur writer myself, I can see the mistakes from season, four of the dragon prince. Little connections between plot lines, and to many speeches. There was also Lower dumping, and to much telling. Not enough showing, and the mirror should been use before the royal dragons showed up. Wasted character arc’s, making it the character changes unrewarded and confusing to fanbase
I'm keeping my hopes up for season 5 to get things back on track. Like you said, one bad season doesn't necessarily ruin a whole show if the first 3 seasons were generally well received. And judging by the mixed reviews for season 4, the writers will probably (if they haven't already) realize where they messed up and take some constructive criticism for season 5. I really enjoyed the first 3 seasons and I'm going to stay cautiously optimistic for season 5. But if season 5 and the seasons following it end up falling below the previously set standards, I think I will just ignore everything after season 3 and just pretend the season 3 finale was the show finale. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but just in case.
The writers didn't do nothing wrong with season 4 the problem is it wasn't what everybody was expecting to be I didn't think season 4 was the worst thing
3:30 The animation was better in season 4... I just re-watched the entire series last week on my LG C1 55'' and the animation quality is undoubtedly better in Season 4. Hell, I can tell it's better just by looking at the clips in this very video that you posted.
The worldbuilding sucked tbh. Where are the elven societies, where are the new towns we get to explore in Xadia, why does none gaf that Callum can use magic when it was so crucial before, why do Soren and Viren get no dialogue, Why was Aaravos' mystery thrown in an exposition dump and not some interesting plot the charecters had to figure out, why isn't Raylla acting like Raylla anymore, Why does Ezran still have the same voice actor, Why didn't Callum train with Ibis to make Ibis's death more mpactful and show that Callum has become incredibly poweful, How could Aaravos posses Callum and not Viren though they both have been touched by dark magic as the showrunners said. What even was this season.
Honestly yeah! Good points! All these things feel like it was written as a fan fic, especially the aaravos exposition dump. And I really wanted more about the earth blood elves, since after all this book was “Earth”
1. Earthblood home - was touched on. Also the entire plot with the sun elves (this is most likely going to have larger impacts on the story as the sun elf queen was directly responsible for bringing the dragons together 2. Why would they? It’s been 2 years and every humans know magic exist. 3. Soren and Vieran - Soren betrayed Verona - vieran barley sees him as a son as suggested by Aaravos 4. Aaravos has been built up since season 1. Hell the cube has meaning 5. I don’t know what you mean by Ray not acting like herself? 6. He’s grown older but he’s still extremely young - just because he had a growth spurt in height doesn’t mean his voice is going to change. 7. Good point - would of preferred to see the training so we actually FELT something about his death 8. Vieren wasn’t possessed strictly because there was no need for him to be possessed. He was coerced and motivated like previous mages before him were. Aaravos also wasn’t strong enough to directly do that - season three showed that he needed to corrupt the sun elf magic source before he could even take full control of someone’s body like that. There was also the whole fight sequence where Vieren was attempting to fight his way out of the castle before he was imprisoned. Aaravos was controlling him for a little while - that wasn’t all Vieren
Information dumping historical information is one of the few areas where it’s acceptable to tell not show. After all if we were learning about a historical event IRL we would most likely do so by being told about it by someone else, either through a book or video. So having Aaravos’s history relayed to them by the dragon queen makes narrative sense.
Thank you! My favorite part of this show is the beautiful world, but I still feel like we don't know anything about it. I want to know more about wider Elven society but the show refuses to deliver.
I’m not worried. This just seemed like a season to lead up to what they have in store. I wish there had been more, but I’m patient lol. They were green lit for a few seasons, so I can’t wait to see what they have in store
I’m deeply worried a lot of shows and movies and other media survived the pandemic pre during and now it seems like the dragon prince was affected by not only that but some of the work place controversy that happened I imagine a good chunk of staff dipped and now we are dealing with the new hires
I'm semi-optimistic. I have faith in the creators. The animation and the voice acting doesn't interest me that much, and I'm not 100% sure about that info that season 5 is alredy finished. I'm sure Aaron Ehazs will deliver something great
Honestly, I trust that the Dragon Prince team know what they're doing but I'm worried that The Dragon Prince is going to end up in a situation similar to Voltron Legendary Defender. I'm worried that TDP will only end up spiralling downwards in quality from this point and result in a final season that most of the fandom agrees that it sucked. I acknowledge that season 4 was done in a pandemic that probably caused it to be not entirely worth the hype in my opinion. Hopefully further seasons will be better and not cause the show to leave a bitter aftermath once it's fully completed.
since the pandemic is no longer impacting industries alot, I really have hope in season 5, especially callum and rayla. if their relationship gets any worse or doesn't get better, then it's gonna be a major disappointment
There were quite a few animation errors, which I usually don't bug about much, but given the time they had I'm surprised they don't notice straight up jumping lighting errors upon test watching.
I know season 4 wasn't the greatest but to me was still good, and sith everything we learnt from the q and a, the rest of the mystery of aaravos should be great
@@ManiyaVinas you definitely know this is a load of bullshit with how they’ve been talking. Just because you didn’t like season 4 much doesn’t mean you should spew bs
I think this was a setup season and the next season, having been set up, will have more meaty writing with more as you say "character moments" and hopefully more interesting unique plots. I think the folks who do the aftercredits sketches are really good though. Spoiler alert* The lizard in a hat one was so cute! Also liked the Flubber reference. tee hee.
Also the comedy in this season came down with a bad case of what I like to call Marvel Comedy disease. Where we have serious story moments undercut with tone deaf comedy. This is why I didn’t like Thor love and thunder that much.
True the fart/butterfly poop jokes and the backpack kid dances (they played it TWICE!) were literally ripping me apart, inside out 😭 I almost couldn't make it to the end
It's starting to feel less like the writers are trying to be funny, and more like the writers are trying to weave in their strange kinks and fetishes into the story. I *really* didn't need to know that Claudia really likes the smell of Terri's farts... seems unnecessary and cuts into the underlying story of her continuing descent into darkness that she's supposed to have going
I'm worse than worried. I'm checked out. I have mourned the death of a series that I really loved, and moved on. After the crushing disappointment that was season 4, I'm working from the assumption that S5 will be more of the same. It would take some astonishing word of mouth to make me even give it another chance.
I think Dragon prince has great growing prtinsl and it's has great balance between Drak moment and light moment the only real problem I see is the story was all over the place last season I think it could you more focus on different aspects Don't you so different characters story like did we really need the fire guy story because I think we could have moved that to a different season all together Know for what I think This session should be about Callum and Rayla and the little brother continued to try and find the bad guy and try and stop the villain plans
I do think they need to work on it for a year or two. I would kill to have a fully fleshed out season that allows good filler. Maybe so I can analyse the characters.
I think the biggest problem was they made it feel like it was going to be largere in life, Everyone was so height and excited But what was delivered didn't meet up to our expectations I think that's the big problem of it. Because yeah it is supposed to set up for season 5 The way season one was a journey to zadia. If that makes sense But there was a lot of The story that didn't make much sense especially when it came to the sun elf problem. The candle issue made 0 sense to me because earlier on in this very season, we saw the humans honor their death through lighting Candles, This one makes no sense why a human wouldn't be sympathetic to it Or understand the significance behind it. That's the one part of the season that p***** me off the most
Once they made a kid king and the majority of people seriously started to ship 2 kids/teens, I felt they weren’t living up to they’re potential. Or the shipping in general.
I enjoyed season 4, but I think it suffered the most in that it ultimately felt like not much happened. People can argue that it's a "setup season" all they'd like, but just because a season is setting up major plot points doesn't give it an excuse to be slow or actively put off/ignore its overarching story to save all the good stuff until later. I was really hoping the creators would learn from the pacing issues of the first three seasons and improve, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case. It's almost like they're trying to pretend this is some kind of episodic narrative where they can spend half a season having the characters goof off and wander off the beaten path and then finish with a bang. But I don't feel that works in a series with only 9 episodes per season. Personally I thought season 1 was a little slow, but it improved with season 2 and then suddenly there was almost TOO much going on in season 3. So now I'm honestly a bit worried they're going to repeat that mistake, and possibly to an even more severe degree, with the next few seasons. I hope I'm wrong. At its best, this show is fantastic, and I wouldn't even say I think season 4 was outright bad. I just think it strayed too far from its larger narrative and didn't focus enough on its character arcs as much as it could have.
I think they really put their minimal effort into this season as it was meant to be "introductory" + the pandemic made it even worse. I have pretty positive hopes for S5 and think all we can do now is wait. Also, there IS a new director so maybe things aren't gonna be how they used to.
setup season doesent mean shit tbh, the animation and voice acting is worse and the characters are worse, the show also doesent take itself serious at all anymore. but yea i really hope this was a minimal effort season LOL
I haven't watched this in a while so it is amazing to see dragon prince coming back. I have seen S4 already and was great. I really exited for seasons 6 and 7
I’m one of those who think that this season wasn’t that bad. People are exaggerating just a little too much. Sure the pacing was the slower than what we have seen in previous seasons. But, was I the only one who was expecting that? The main thread had been stopped. So of course it wasn’t going to start with something like an epic battle. Could have been better? Yes. Should have been better? Definitely. I mean, people are very picky and demanding nowadays. Maybe I wasn’t disappointed because I had expected this to be more like season one of a spinoff show.
My "predictions" for season 5 The sun fire elfs will deal with a tax dispute one. A wedding is celebrated but some notable characters are missing. Viren finds an elven live interest because themes. There will be much talk about the orphan queen and her exiting adventures. A underwater fart joke Callum forgets that he can magic in some critical moment. Raylas parents are freed with the power of love or friendship or whatever Runaan is an antagonist, but ezran speech convinces him, because violence bad. Sol regem just needed to eat a jelly tart and listen to ezrans speech. Sol regem is just misunderstood The story of the show is that humanity has to redeem itsself and xadias flaw is not giving humanity a fair chance. That are my predictions how they ruin s5.
I kind of wonder how much of the difference between the feel of the first and latter halves of the show has to do with changes in directorship. Giancarlo Volpe (an ATLA vet) stepped away after season 3, and then they brought in George Samilski to direct.
I didn't know that Giancarlo Volpe was gone, that's a problem because he definitely balances things out, hopefully this new director doesn't do anything stupid
Honestly, I think the problem is the sun-elves storyline It isn’t bad but is poorly written, we are told of tensions but we never see them, we see only a division between two never-seen-before characters with no importance to the overarching narrative and the whole “racism” thing was ditched by the main story long before and wasn’t explored enough to be a take on the subject They should have made that story in a comic-book, give it the time to breathe, show us the essential parts of whatever happened between Callum and Rayla and go on with the main story which now has more room to breathe Also, I don’t hate Terry as a character but he was too silly and undermined a lot Claudia because when she was with him she was too goofy and without the evil version of viren and less direct presence from Aaravos the bad guys weren’t as terrifying; keep him but get flower-scented fart jokes (which are just weird) and similar stuff away, he was more likeable when he talked to Viren
Season 4 has a new director who was involved in movies like dragon ball evolution. Therefore I am skeptical that season 5 will fix this show. The problems of season 3 were fixable with more episodes, but season 4 problems are not fixable with this method. The sunfire plotline feels like filler. Couldnt they find a more boring conflict than some candles as the reason why karim wants to overthrow his sister? The writers will probably ride this dead horse in season 5. Maybe aaravos will curse these candles in season 5 or some other bs (candles as set up). My alternative idea: maybe one of the humans in this camp got sick and uses dark magic. How would Janai react? I mean Dark magic is underutilized in s4. Another problem is that the most interesting moments of this season happen off screen. Raylas break up? Claudias life changing trip through xadia? How claudia and terry met? Soren and Virens reunion? All happen off screen. I think that there are more behind the scene stuff happening at wonderstorm that we are not aware off. I dont think everybody was happy about this new direction of this show.
The way when I saw the title my first thought was "Season 4 is out already??" As if I didn't watch the whole season already💀 The season had so little impact that I couldn't even remember watching it lol
I can definitely see it being a setup season, so I think how well people view it will depend on whether future seasons pay off. The political situation with the fire elves could grow into a problem that helps Aaravos later. Also that whole thing bothered me. The architects are supposed to be helping rebuild, but in two years they haven’t even gotten one house up, even with an entire camp of elves with nothing better to do than to help move materials? The whole conflict with the mourning candle also seemed forced as a way to set up racial intolerance. One thing that bothered me is I don’t think the heroes ever got the map from the dragon. Team Aaravos did by using the goofy goo to copy it, but then the dragon was pissed off enough he never gave it to the heroes.
Aaron Ehasz fired a huge chunk of their small team once S3 wrapped, plus there are a lot of credible allegations against him being a toxic asshole of a boss. It's clear that a lot of talent left during the exodus...S4's god-awful writing is proof of that. I genuinely don't feel like they can right the ship after this, and quite frankly I don't give a shit. Maybe they make all seven seasons maybe they won't. S4 was so bad I have absolutely no desire to watch any further.
I think most people when they watch a show nowadays they don't want it to end up like got peak at the beginning, rough in the middle and then shit at the end
the jokes were too uncomfortable, especially considering I had family visiting at the time. Season 4 doesn't look good for the future, but I have hope that the set-up season will pay off when season 5 releases.
Personally, I'm starting to get tired of the phrase "set up season". Just because a season is a clear "set up" style season for later events doesn't automatically give it a pass for neglecting the here and now, nor does "It's supposed to be slow, it's a set up season" should equal "Everything is supposed to progress at slower than a snail's pace". There's a difference. Rayllum needed an actual conversation to start getting the relationship back on track, not just a moment. The humor this season was another problem. Humor is supposed to ease tense moments, not stop tense moments from happening altogether and that happened too often for my liking. Season one was also a set up season, but the action and the plot points happening in the current moment during that season were both better paced and better addressed rather than needlessly dragged out. Characterization introductions and implementation were on point and distinctive, animation was beautiful (and got even better in seasons two and three), the jokes were properly timed and eased tension rather than gating serious moments from happening, the pacing overall hardly ever felt like needless padding, and multiple plot points were better juggled throughout the narrative. Season 4 was all over the place in comparison, not giving the audience time enough to get invested in one plot point before choppily switching to a different one within 30 seconds at a time. I'm also not a fan of how disconnected Through the Moon was to the animated portion of the story. I get that they want people to have reasons to read the comics, but if that is going to be a major set up to a relationship plot point in the show, then those events need to at least be alluded to within the story. It's also not as compelling to watch the characters unravel mysteries that you as the audience member are already privy too and take as long as they did doing so. We already KNOW Viren is alive, we already KNOW Aaravos could and does communicate to wizards to corrupt and use them, and so on so it would have been better for the characters to get caught up to speed way faster than they did. We needed to better set up the MYSTERY OF AARAVOS since that's what this was about, not spend so much time reconfirming things we already knew. By no means do I hate season 4. The season had a lot of great moments, but often times I think people use "set up season" as an excuse to dismiss poor pacing and questionable writing decisions regarding the characters. And overall, imo what we did receive wasn't worth the three years we had to wait in terms of quality. I'm also concerned for season 5 if it's already been finished before anyone could give any real feedback or anything. I'm not going to abandon the show or anything dramatic like that, but season 4 did not get me excited for season 5 (beyond hoping it will be better) like season 3 did for season 4.
This season just felt rushed, didn't have that refreshing feeing of a new season but there were surely some interesting twists. I don't really criticize shows though and id rather sit and enjoy with some snacks, so either way it doesn't matter to me. Overall great and I'm looking forward to season 5. Anyone notice that its a kids show and features a good amount of blood? 🤖W show
The season isnt that bad. Sure, its not as good as previous ones, but lets see it as a build up, since this is after a time skip. Only thing is that I hope they dont force us to read the novel to understand what's going on, bcs i didn't and has to search myself
There is a lot of potential, I would just really appreciate it if the characters didn't cry every episode and they wouldn't turn this into a representation-focused romantic drama. My God we have dragons and elves and wars to fight, no offense but I don't much care how great of a girlfriend Janai is if not much else happens because of it.
If they begin to figure out what needs to be addressed more seriously and what can become an inside joke, that would make it infinitely better. The moth thing? Yeah, that sounds like a mix between an inside joke and plot relevance. I wish it wasn't just used for comic relief. Soren? He's just a walking joke, but he does know when to be serious. Honestly, he was one of the best handled characters, in Season 4, with slightly lowered standards ofc. Terry? I'm sorry, but he needs to be treated more seriously. The fact that he's trans shouldn't amount to two whole sentences. He shouldn't be relegated to comic relief in every scene he's in, other than maybe three I can think of. (Him killing Ibis, him discussing that with Viren, and him convincing Claudia to give Rayla the coins.) They need to set a more consistent tone, otherwise it just won't work.
I really enjoyed season 4. Sure, it did have flaws. But this season made me want to look up videos like these about the series, whereas I had no interest in doing that after season 1-3. S4 made me rewatch the whole series and then actually start digging into what other fans have been saying... and MAN, am I disappointed that nobody seems to want to discuss theories without trashing the whole freaking season. I did only watch seasons 1-3 for the first time maybe about a year ago, so maybe not having to deal with a 3-year build-up of anticipation helped. Maybe it also helps that I'm totally and completely apathetic about Rayllum - I adore both characters but I really don't care about them as a romantic couple... it's the least interesting part of the series for me, tbh. It's not the focus of the show, nor should it be. Yes, there were flaws, but it also was pretty clearly serving as both a reset season and a setup season. The first arc is done, and this is the start of a brand-new one. Maybe it's because they wrapped up TOO MANY loose ends in S3, thinking that the show was getting canceled. Idk. I just... I see some flaws in the season (pacing being #1, character writing #2), but the story and show are still both incredibly interesting to me. Wish I could find some folks that felt the same.
I watched the first episode of season 4 and quit, it was that painfully bad, super cliche in that you knew exactly what was going to happen, along all the reactions and dialogue before it happened and none of it was interesting, it could be any generic characters doing a surprise birthday party, the writing was that lifeless. It might as well have been those drawing memes were there’s blank characters in a pose/scenario and you draw in your choice of characters, that’s how bland the writing and characterisation was. And worse, it took so damn long for these predictable moments to happen, they stretched a 5 minute sequence into an entire episode. From what I can see by reviews, it’s basically like that the whole season. I will give season 5 a chance but at this point I have zero interest in ever watching season 4 and consequently, I have zero expectations season 5 will be good, but here’s to hoping they managed to fix the writing. I am extremely forgiving on animation and production quality, a good story will always make up for it, but when the story can’t carry it it only makes those flaws more obvious and far less forgiving. You know somethings wrong with your story if it fails to engross people and they’re instead judging the visuals in-depth on a first-time watch, because it means they’re bored and their mind is trying to take in something “interesting” to focus on to alleviate their boredom.
I disagree with you about everything about season 4 especially when it comes to that part about the party I think a lot of people are missing the point that party was supposed to be helping the relationship between the humans and the dragons
@@animezilla4486 I fully respect the fact there’s people who enjoyed the season, but from a writing/media critique standpoint I wanted to point out your defence of the show is putting blame on the audience instead of the writing quality. It shouldn’t be possible for so many people to “not get the point” that’s a flaw in the writing if the authors intent isn’t what audience experiences. The audience’s confusion can’t be explained away as stupidity. Dragon Prince isn’t one of those intentional “mindfuck” psychological thrillers where confusion is the authorial intent, no one should be confused unless the writer intends for the audience to feel that way. It’s silly to try and fault the audience instead of the writers.
@@Sanakudou I wasn't trying to blame the audience I understand why a lot of people felt disappointed but I feel like season 4 it's a set up for something big happening in the season 5
Honestly after this season and how painfully pussy footing the have been in the interviews (specially with Rayllum, god please don't screw it up!) depending in the next season I may as well dip, and check when the full series is out
I'm horrified about what they've said the interviews about Rayllum, even if I know it to be them teasing. But considering how it's my favorite part of the show (and I think a huuuge chunk of people agree), how could I not lol
7:52 Rayllum is dead. Main romantic arc is now Claudia and Terry and I'm okay with this. Seriously though, if I was Callum, I would have told Rayla to GFTO the moment she showed up in my room after ghosting me for 2 years, that would be the healthy response, nobody should put up with the kind of garbage Rayla pulled on him, cut people like that out of your life.
The problems that plagued Season 4 were always present in the previous seasons, they were just better at hiding them. Bad humor, contrived narratives, character motivations and actions changing on a dime to suite the plot, and frequent Deus ExMachina have always been in the show.
What pissed me off sooo much, is what they did about the love relationship between Rayla and Callum in season 4, that shit pissed me the fk off, and it was for no reason, But tbh I rate the entire series 2/10 maybe 3/10, because of the stupid amount of uneeded (alphabatical agenda) that was shoved in the viewer's face and throat, MY GOD they focused on the love between the (alphabatical agenda) SIDE CHARACTERS more than they focused on the MAIN CHARACTERS Normal love birds in the story, f*ing LOL dude, This shows how they love (the alphabatical agenda) to ruin a good story just to shove their (agenda) on other people throats, The only redeaming quality about this thing is Rayla's funny character and sad story, Damn shame this series had a slight potential of being actually good, in-before they shoved the stupid (alphabatical agenda) down my throat. really damn shame.
I really just honestly hope the reason it came out that way was because most of their focus was on season 5, 6 and 7, let's just hope season 4 ended up like this because it was just to reintroduce us to the characters (although 9 episodes of that is a bad way to do it), let's just pray season 4 was just sort of an afterthought
Are we EVER going to get back to the fact that the king was NEVER KILLED?? That his soul/spirit is trapped in that bird?!? What is the point of Ezran being able to talk to animals if all he's going to talk to are animals we can get the gist of what they're saying via body language? Are they just dropping that storyline?? Cause yes the king was transplanted by magic, but with Viren's death, did that change things? Does the natural lifespan of the bird come in to play? If the king is trapped for too long, does he stop being a human spirit and become the bird?
I feel like it’s possible for season five to become better, but only if they deliver on plot points that felt rushed this season. Honestly, it’s fine if their journey is as slow as it has been in season four, but only if each of those episodes really focuses on the characters themselves, and I feel like season five has the possibility to help flesh out points introduced this season. For example, Callum and Rayla: maybe they do get back together early on, but halfway through the season that lingering tension becomes too much to bear and they’re forced to have the discussion regarding a simple fact, that Rayla left Callum, and that’s going to affect their relationship. If they treat other plot points similarly and continue to flesh them out, not only will season five be received better, but it may also improve how we look back on season four
Also Soren and Viren’s interaction made Off Screen in S4 finale, I will never forgive the writers for just cutting out any dialogue and reactions from Viren seeing his “failed son” again.
It makes the next episode we see Soren tied up feel empty and in some weird way generic like why bring him with the villain group as a hostage at all if for no emotional depth.
Either season 5 needs to fix the damage done for that with some small flashback or conversation Soren has with Rayla and Callum about seeing Viren again or this is just a metaphorical bad wound.
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Season 5 did not fix much unfortunately. Sure it was better but it was like season 4 everything felt so slow and cluttered idea wth was going on with the sun elf plot im just upset that the dragon prince is starting to drop from its once quality filled seasons to crop....
I trust that they'll fix things. I mean they're clearly capable of writing a good show, for all we know everyone on the show was just burnt out and depressed with season 4.
Season 4 was not that bad it has very important elements to it
@@animezilla4486 Yeah, season 4 had a major case of "Good idea, bad execution"
Even if it was a set up, there are too many things that bothered me.
*Callum and Rayla's relationship, obviously. I wish Rayla didn't come back, if she continued searching, she might have found leads on her own and they would have reunited bitterly on the journey and made the conflict more meaningful.
Ezran's too perfect or nice, which makes him boring this season
Not looking forward to Terry's demise, we all know she'll choose her father over him.
The humor: Way too much.
For Terry hopefully when she chooses her father it won't be through him dying. We now see how the Bury your gays trope is bad so hopefully that would go to trans characters to.
@@cristyflaherty4902 Personally I’m kinda hoping that Claudia goes off the deep end in the later “seasons” and becomes full Arcane Jinx route, being Aaravos right hand.
In other words give me fully unhinged Claudia going down the dark path please in Seasons 5 and 6.
There's nothing wrong with the humor because you don't want to have to show me too serious sometimes you do need to take a breather
@@animezilla4486 I would be fine if they just have less or no more fart jokes in the future, did not need to learn that apparently people believe Claudia has some fart fetish from her new boyfriend.
@@toadlord8594 well Claudia was kind of a weird character to be honest with you and besides I think the point of those fart jokes was to show that there still is good in the character and she can possibly come back from the darkness
Im going to try s5, but i think the s3 ending is going to be my ending with Viren just dying and Rylas adoptive father escaping from that coin
Yeah people can over criticize certain shows and movies when they aren’t met with their expectations after leaving Season 3 pretty well made.
But Season 4 clearly wasn’t the best compared to Seasons 1 through 3 but it’s still somewhat decent with some good scenes and music for me. I wouldn’t call it disastrous but it wasn’t great either.
True but I hated that they called it mystery of Aaravos and then barley have him in it. Literally all prior seasons had more screen time of aaravos than this one. Still don’t know his motives either, how he was able to possess Callum, how he broke the looking glass and what that new creature is all about. And then Soren’s reaction to seeing his dad was literally caught off and jumped to a new scene. I was pissed to say the least. Have to say that Claudia’s new bf was an amazing addition. But another bad note, i have no idea what that staff hunt meant and if Claudia wielding the sun staff still contained the sun’s primal source since she never used a spell related to it. Since Lux Auria lost all its power, shouldn’t that make the sun staff an ultimate weapon? In S3 they did awesome feats with its power, but now it looks like an accessory. So yeah, in conclusion, I do think this season was weird and horribly designed. Happy we get 3 more seasons tho. Really hope they’re gonna increase the amount of episodes or just make them longer so a year wait wouldn’t feel so bad
callum and raylas relationship being ruined kinda ruined the season. BUT, my theory is that they did this to divert our attention. specifically towards aaravos. think about it, if season's 5 and 6 are also based on aaravos, then we need to pay real good attention to him and his lore this season. but if we get distracted by callum and raylas relationship, we might not understand the main conflict in the next 2 seasons. either way though, I feel like this season could have done way better
I think part of the problem is that these seasons aren't really seasons at all, they're parts of a season. Seasons 1 - 3 were the same way, with Seasons 1 and 2 not really having much in the way of a solid conclusion but rather just sort of an abrupt stop, and only with season 3 was there any true resolution. Seasons 4 - 6 will probably be much the same, with Seasons 4 and 5 merely being pieces of a bigger whole, and only Season 6 giving us anything approaching a conclusion to anything.
That being said... Season 4 is definitely the weakest season overall. Season 1 was a bit weak too, but it had the First Season excuse so it gets a pass, and seasons 2 and 3 were both solid. Season 4, however, lacking the excuse of Season 1, simply felt lackluster. Too much time was wasted on a C plot that did absolutely nothing to expand on the story, the world, or anything of value. You could have cut the whole plot with the Sun Elves/Humans awkwardness entirely and very little would have changed, or if it needed to be in, the amount we got could have been condensed into a single episode or small bits of 2 episodes at most... not stretched out among all 9. It was boring, uninteresting, and generally felt like a waste of time.
hey dude the sun elf/human awkwardness as you put it is a very tenuous peace and one that can and will develop into a bloodbath as sun elves and humans have been at war since the split between xadia and the human states.
honestly, the whole sun elf thing just felt filler, a way to meet the regular episode time. it didn't really help the story in any way, it was just sorta there in the background, except it took up a good chunk of each episode.
honestly, had the sun elf stuff been replaced with focusing on characters and the main conflict (aaravos) season 4 would've done MUCH better
also, callum and raylas relationship really got ruined. I feel like it was completely unnecessary to ruin the ship, because the writers really had something going. but they messed it up pretty badly.
anyway, I hope season 5 won't have the same issues, I'm excited for it!
@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 but the sun elf/human stuff shown in the episodes wasn't even useful, it just felt very filler. but if they had the time to animate it, they definitely had time to make a better storyline. i don't know what the writers were doing throughout all the sunfire elf stuff, but they definitely could've done better
7:18 The worst thing a writer could do is change their story halfway because of a few vocal members of the audience. Those kinds of criticisms are what you take in for a future project, not a current one.
I’m hoping season 5 can get things back on track. Season 4 felt like a mess they should have just gotten rid on the sun elves plot. Then focus on team A Callum, Rayla, and Ezran and team B Viran, Claudia, and Terry. Then have their stories come together like finale did.
I hate when show or movies do this. There is no reason to have two different plot line where the only connection is basically that they are happening at the same time. The heroes and villain plotline are fine because they are part of the main plot line, but the sun elves have no sense that it would affect the main plot at all.
@@Bluedragon-iz3oo don’t forget how contrived the sun fire elves plot. It all started because of a fire that easily could have been moved out of the camp. Or contained in a way it wouldn’t set the tents on fire.
Yesterday I keep hearing over and over again about why would the sun elves that important to the plot well here's the thing they recently lost their home so you tell me the show shouldn't address that
@@animezilla4486 I personally liked the Sun Elves plot for potential world building and first time learning about at least one species of Elves in TDP, gotten kinda boring but only kept my attention on lore wise. thought they would focus on Lux Aroia (however they named it) and retaking it next season cause it would suck to wait until the final season for them to get their damn shiny castle back.
No, the many problem with sun elves plot is not following the show do not tell rule. If they showed the sun elves staring, at queens new girlfriend, that would put a little bit of weight for the bigotry brother. And if they had more then just one incident with the sun elves and humans would improve this sub plots conflict.
Honestly the thing that disappointing me the most was Amaya and Janai's relationship. You're telling me that they're getting married, that they've been together and very in love for two whole years, and Janai can't even sign? I know ASL, it takes about two years in a formal classroom setting to become conversationally fluent. What Janai had was essentially 3 private tutors (Amaya, Kazi, and Gren) constantly in her life for TWO WHOLE YEARS!!! That's a hell of a lot better of an education than I got, and I thought my education was pretty good! There was no excuse on part of the writers as to why she and Amaya couldn't have had entire conversations in sign. No, Janai wouldn't have been perfect, but they shouldn't be having conversations the exact same way as they were back when they met. If they were genuinely in love here, as the show is presenting them to be, then Janai would want to be fluent in her wife's primary language. The fact that they're getting married when Janai can't even ask in sign correctly is just abysmal for representation and realism.
The fact that they don't add captions for Amaya's signed dialogue is... questionable at best because it feeds into a oral-first narrative, that only people who know ASL should be able to understand what she's saying unless the interpreter is around. I don't think other shows do that for their characters, its always either captioned or only certain words in a different language are said for a specific effect. The effect we're getting here is setting things up for lack of access, pushing Amaya to the background because the writers don't know how to involve her when Gren isn't around, and Amaya not having any real characterization or growth outside of the people who speak for her. Just caption her damn dialogue, make Janai fluent and sign with her to talk, stop making Gren the third-wheel translator. Let the two of them have whole conversations in ASL like a couple of this situation would most certainly do and caption it so the audience is in the loop!!! And have voiceover for descriptive audio viewers, EASY SOLUTION.
It’s just like Lady Rainicorn in Adventure Time. She speaks Korean if I remember. The only time we know what she’s saying is if Jake is around and even then he doesn’t translate most of the time. I personally don’t mind it. I enjoyed looking up what she was saying. As it felt like an Easter egg. Only those that cared enough to look up what she was saying was let in on the joke. Same as with Amaya. Sometimes Amaya tells jokes and you only know if you either know sign language or look it up
@@natashavelasquez1841 But look at how Lady Rainicorn was treated. Can you tell me any of her personality traits? Can you tell me anything about her? How she feels about it? You probably can't save for the few episodes she was spotlit, and even then most of the things we were told were through another character. Rainicorn was totally sidelined. The difference between her and Amaya though is that Rainicorn is a side character with few appearances. Amaya is poised to be a near main character with her own storylines alongside the main cast. Her treatment is just unexcuseable to me. Its either laziness or bigotry, I cant tell which is worse.
This season felt like a 6 month timeskip instead of a 2 year one. So many of the sunfire elves problems should have been resolved after all that time
@@excalibur2078 Absolutely. Two years and still living in tents? When you have all of Katolis' resources to lean on? And your own workforce? There is no good reason why they haven't at least started on building a new permanent settlement. It's all in the piss poor writing of this season.
Amaya's dialogue is captioned this season, in the scenes where no one orally translates for her. The instances are rare, and you have to have subtitles on, but they have started captioning her ASL.
I do agree there should be more signed conversations though, without oral components.
I actually have a lot more hope for season 5 then I probably should, and that's for various reasons.
I hear a few of the writers/crew members talk about how much more happens in season 5, such as an interview where the creator says something really big happens at the end of season 5.
the reason why audiences say this season felt short and rushed is because not much really happened this season. Ibis dies, Rayla gets her parents back, The bad guys get a map to where the final boss is most likely at, and we all learn why we should be worried about Aaravos.
Not much happens, but what does happen is to set up other parts of the next season. In season 5, Rayla's gonna have to deal with a 3-way conflict of herself, her friends and her parents. There will also be the bad guys trying to get to the x on the map.
I genuinely believe this will be the lowest the series will ever get, even if the future seasons aren't as good as the first three. If season 4 is the setup season, Then the season 5 will have to be payoff. These 2 seasons were linked since that old comic con event where they shared that the saga was 3 phases, and 4 and 5 were the 2nd phase (they changed it since then, but you see what I mean).
Plus, the creators seemed to have acknowledged some of the feedback, with the humor about fart jokes. And they seem to have more control on their own show than we realize (they took 3 years and netflix said they couldn't do anything about it). At least I expect they can cut and rework some possible problems that likely carried on from season 4.
Idk what else to say, I am just gonna be sitting here until s5 with my ass clenched and fingers crossed. I really hope that I'm not wrong about s5 but we can only wait.
I’m just going to wait until the season review for Season 5 before going into it now.
Whatever the creators (or anyone else profiting from the show) says, doesn’t mean anything to me. Because what else would they say? “Hey guys, season 5 will be even worse so don’t watch it, we don’t want money”. Now, I don’t believe the next season will be worse, but I just don’t wanna be disappointed again so I’ll keep my expectations on the ground as of now.
The creators using a graphic novel plot, leaving most out in woods was really bad.
It's a popular thing to do these days. Every hear of a video game called Final Fantasy XV? You're supposed to watch the movie before you actually play the game, because much of the game's plot will not make much sense if you haven't seen that movie. It's the thing they do in fantasy themed multi-media brands now...
As an amateur writer myself, I can see the mistakes from season, four of the dragon prince. Little connections between plot lines, and to many speeches. There was also Lower dumping, and to much telling. Not enough showing, and the mirror should been use before the royal dragons showed up. Wasted character arc’s, making it the character changes unrewarded and confusing to fanbase
the show also didnt take itself serious at all. there were practically no serious or REALISTIC moments
I'm keeping my hopes up for season 5 to get things back on track. Like you said, one bad season doesn't necessarily ruin a whole show if the first 3 seasons were generally well received. And judging by the mixed reviews for season 4, the writers will probably (if they haven't already) realize where they messed up and take some constructive criticism for season 5. I really enjoyed the first 3 seasons and I'm going to stay cautiously optimistic for season 5. But if season 5 and the seasons following it end up falling below the previously set standards, I think I will just ignore everything after season 3 and just pretend the season 3 finale was the show finale. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but just in case.
The writers didn't do nothing wrong with season 4 the problem is it wasn't what everybody was expecting to be I didn't think season 4 was the worst thing
3:30 The animation was better in season 4... I just re-watched the entire series last week on my LG C1 55'' and the animation quality is undoubtedly better in Season 4. Hell, I can tell it's better just by looking at the clips in this very video that you posted.
The worldbuilding sucked tbh. Where are the elven societies, where are the new towns we get to explore in Xadia, why does none gaf that Callum can use magic when it was so crucial before, why do Soren and Viren get no dialogue, Why was Aaravos' mystery thrown in an exposition dump and not some interesting plot the charecters had to figure out, why isn't Raylla acting like Raylla anymore, Why does Ezran still have the same voice actor, Why didn't Callum train with Ibis to make Ibis's death more mpactful and show that Callum has become incredibly poweful, How could Aaravos posses Callum and not Viren though they both have been touched by dark magic as the showrunners said. What even was this season.
Honestly yeah! Good points! All these things feel like it was written as a fan fic, especially the aaravos exposition dump. And I really wanted more about the earth blood elves, since after all this book was “Earth”
1. Earthblood home - was touched on. Also the entire plot with the sun elves (this is most likely going to have larger impacts on the story as the sun elf queen was directly responsible for bringing the dragons together
2. Why would they? It’s been 2 years and every humans know magic exist.
3. Soren and Vieran - Soren betrayed Verona - vieran barley sees him as a son as suggested by Aaravos
4. Aaravos has been built up since season 1. Hell the cube has meaning
5. I don’t know what you mean by Ray not acting like herself?
6. He’s grown older but he’s still extremely young - just because he had a growth spurt in height doesn’t mean his voice is going to change.
7. Good point - would of preferred to see the training so we actually FELT something about his death
8. Vieren wasn’t possessed strictly because there was no need for him to be possessed. He was coerced and motivated like previous mages before him were. Aaravos also wasn’t strong enough to directly do that - season three showed that he needed to corrupt the sun elf magic source before he could even take full control of someone’s body like that.
There was also the whole fight sequence where Vieren was attempting to fight his way out of the castle before he was imprisoned. Aaravos was controlling him for a little while - that wasn’t all Vieren
Information dumping historical information is one of the few areas where it’s acceptable to tell not show. After all if we were learning about a historical event IRL we would most likely do so by being told about it by someone else, either through a book or video. So having Aaravos’s history relayed to them by the dragon queen makes narrative sense.
Thank you! My favorite part of this show is the beautiful world, but I still feel like we don't know anything about it. I want to know more about wider Elven society but the show refuses to deliver.
I’m not worried. This just seemed like a season to lead up to what they have in store. I wish there had been more, but I’m patient lol. They were green lit for a few seasons, so I can’t wait to see what they have in store
I’m deeply worried a lot of shows and movies and other media survived the pandemic pre during and now it seems like the dragon prince was affected by not only that but some of the work place controversy that happened I imagine a good chunk of staff dipped and now we are dealing with the new hires
I'm semi-optimistic. I have faith in the creators. The animation and the voice acting doesn't interest me that much, and I'm not 100% sure about that info that season 5 is alredy finished. I'm sure Aaron Ehazs will deliver something great
Honestly, I trust that the Dragon Prince team know what they're doing but I'm worried that The Dragon Prince is going to end up in a situation similar to Voltron Legendary Defender. I'm worried that TDP will only end up spiralling downwards in quality from this point and result in a final season that most of the fandom agrees that it sucked. I acknowledge that season 4 was done in a pandemic that probably caused it to be not entirely worth the hype in my opinion. Hopefully further seasons will be better and not cause the show to leave a bitter aftermath once it's fully completed.
since the pandemic is no longer impacting industries alot, I really have hope in season 5, especially callum and rayla. if their relationship gets any worse or doesn't get better, then it's gonna be a major disappointment
There were quite a few animation errors, which I usually don't bug about much, but given the time they had I'm surprised they don't notice straight up jumping lighting errors upon test watching.
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I know season 4 wasn't the greatest but to me was still good, and sith everything we learnt from the q and a, the rest of the mystery of aaravos should be great
I just hope the future, of this show gets better within time especially with the storyline, overall I agree with what you said about this here.
Haha I doubt it the latest interview sounded like they had no plans
@@ManiyaVinas what are you talking about
@@ManiyaVinas you definitely know this is a load of bullshit with how they’ve been talking.
Just because you didn’t like season 4 much doesn’t mean you should spew bs
I wonder if season 5 will be book ocean? I would love to see on what would the ocean elves look like
I think this was a setup season and the next season, having been set up, will have more meaty writing with more as you say "character moments" and hopefully more interesting unique plots. I think the folks who do the aftercredits sketches are really good though. Spoiler alert* The lizard in a hat one was so cute! Also liked the Flubber reference. tee hee.
The only thing I'm worried about is how close Lord Viren, Claudia and her Elf friend are at to setting Aaravos free
The world will tremble before discount Morgoth!
Also the comedy in this season came down with a bad case of what I like to call Marvel Comedy disease. Where we have serious story moments undercut with tone deaf comedy. This is why I didn’t like Thor love and thunder that much.
True the fart/butterfly poop jokes and the backpack kid dances (they played it TWICE!) were literally ripping me apart, inside out 😭 I almost couldn't make it to the end
It's starting to feel less like the writers are trying to be funny, and more like the writers are trying to weave in their strange kinks and fetishes into the story. I *really* didn't need to know that Claudia really likes the smell of Terri's farts... seems unnecessary and cuts into the underlying story of her continuing descent into darkness that she's supposed to have going
I think more people don't got no sense of humor at all while the comedy wasn't good it wasn't that bad
I'm worse than worried. I'm checked out. I have mourned the death of a series that I really loved, and moved on.
After the crushing disappointment that was season 4, I'm working from the assumption that S5 will be more of the same. It would take some astonishing word of mouth to make me even give it another chance.
I think Dragon prince has great growing prtinsl and it's has great balance between Drak moment and light moment the only real problem I see is the story was all over the place last season I think it could you more focus on different aspects
Don't you so different characters story like did we really need the fire guy story because I think we could have moved that to a different season all together
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Callum and Rayla and the little brother continued to try and find the bad guy and try and stop the villain plans
I do think they need to work on it for a year or two. I would kill to have a fully fleshed out season that allows good filler. Maybe so I can analyse the characters.
6:10 alternate way to finish the sentence
Sounds like *Doctor Who*
I think the biggest problem was they made it feel like it was going to be largere in life, Everyone was so height and excited But what was delivered didn't meet up to our expectations I think that's the big problem of it. Because yeah it is supposed to set up for season 5 The way season one was a journey to zadia. If that makes sense But there was a lot of The story that didn't make much sense especially when it came to the sun elf problem. The candle issue made 0 sense to me because earlier on in this very season, we saw the humans honor their death through lighting Candles, This one makes no sense why a human wouldn't be sympathetic to it Or understand the significance behind it. That's the one part of the season that p***** me off the most
Once they made a kid king and the majority of people seriously started to ship 2 kids/teens, I felt they weren’t living up to they’re potential.
Or the shipping in general.
I enjoyed season 4, but I think it suffered the most in that it ultimately felt like not much happened. People can argue that it's a "setup season" all they'd like, but just because a season is setting up major plot points doesn't give it an excuse to be slow or actively put off/ignore its overarching story to save all the good stuff until later. I was really hoping the creators would learn from the pacing issues of the first three seasons and improve, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case. It's almost like they're trying to pretend this is some kind of episodic narrative where they can spend half a season having the characters goof off and wander off the beaten path and then finish with a bang. But I don't feel that works in a series with only 9 episodes per season. Personally I thought season 1 was a little slow, but it improved with season 2 and then suddenly there was almost TOO much going on in season 3. So now I'm honestly a bit worried they're going to repeat that mistake, and possibly to an even more severe degree, with the next few seasons. I hope I'm wrong. At its best, this show is fantastic, and I wouldn't even say I think season 4 was outright bad. I just think it strayed too far from its larger narrative and didn't focus enough on its character arcs as much as it could have.
I think they really put their minimal effort into this season as it was meant to be "introductory" + the pandemic made it even worse. I have pretty positive hopes for S5 and think all we can do now is wait. Also, there IS a new director so maybe things aren't gonna be how they used to.
setup season doesent mean shit tbh, the animation and voice acting is worse and the characters are worse, the show also doesent take itself serious at all anymore. but yea i really hope this was a minimal effort season LOL
fingers crossed Seaspn 5 isn't a star-touched disappointment too!
IMO season 4 was a 6/10, dip for sure but not the end.
I haven't watched this in a while so it is amazing to see dragon prince coming back. I have seen S4 already and was great. I really exited for seasons 6 and 7
I’m one of those who think that this season wasn’t that bad. People are exaggerating just a little too much. Sure the pacing was the slower than what we have seen in previous seasons. But, was I the only one who was expecting that? The main thread had been stopped. So of course it wasn’t going to start with something like an epic battle. Could have been better? Yes. Should have been better? Definitely. I mean, people are very picky and demanding nowadays. Maybe I wasn’t disappointed because I had expected this to be more like season one of a spinoff show.
My "predictions" for season 5
The sun fire elfs will deal with a tax dispute one. A wedding is celebrated but some notable characters are missing.
Viren finds an elven live interest because themes.
There will be much talk about the orphan queen and her exiting adventures.
A underwater fart joke
Callum forgets that he can magic in some critical moment.
Raylas parents are freed with the power of love or friendship or whatever
Runaan is an antagonist, but ezran speech convinces him, because violence bad.
Sol regem just needed to eat a jelly tart and listen to ezrans speech. Sol regem is just misunderstood
The story of the show is that humanity has to redeem itsself and xadias flaw is not giving humanity a fair chance.
That are my predictions how they ruin s5.
I kind of wonder how much of the difference between the feel of the first and latter halves of the show has to do with changes in directorship. Giancarlo Volpe (an ATLA vet) stepped away after season 3, and then they brought in George Samilski to direct.
I didn't know that Giancarlo Volpe was gone, that's a problem because he definitely balances things out, hopefully this new director doesn't do anything stupid
Honestly, I think the problem is the sun-elves storyline
It isn’t bad but is poorly written, we are told of tensions but we never see them, we see only a division between two never-seen-before characters with no importance to the overarching narrative and the whole “racism” thing was ditched by the main story long before and wasn’t explored enough to be a take on the subject
They should have made that story in a comic-book, give it the time to breathe, show us the essential parts of whatever happened between Callum and Rayla and go on with the main story which now has more room to breathe
Also, I don’t hate Terry as a character but he was too silly and undermined a lot Claudia because when she was with him she was too goofy and without the evil version of viren and less direct presence from Aaravos the bad guys weren’t as terrifying; keep him but get flower-scented fart jokes (which are just weird) and similar stuff away, he was more likeable when he talked to Viren
I absolutely agree. I actually think that these are the main problems in the season.
Season 4 has a new director who was involved in movies like dragon ball evolution. Therefore I am skeptical that season 5 will fix this show. The problems of season 3 were fixable with more episodes, but season 4 problems are not fixable with this method.
The sunfire plotline feels like filler. Couldnt they find a more boring conflict than some candles as the reason why karim wants to overthrow his sister? The writers will probably ride this dead horse in season 5. Maybe aaravos will curse these candles in season 5 or some other bs (candles as set up). My alternative idea: maybe one of the humans in this camp got sick and uses dark magic. How would Janai react? I mean Dark magic is underutilized in s4.
Another problem is that the most interesting moments of this season happen off screen. Raylas break up? Claudias life changing trip through xadia? How claudia and terry met? Soren and Virens reunion? All happen off screen.
I think that there are more behind the scene stuff happening at wonderstorm that we are not aware off. I dont think everybody was happy about this new direction of this show.
The only disappointment was the flossing kids. That dance!!! Whyyyy!?!?
The way when I saw the title my first thought was "Season 4 is out already??" As if I didn't watch the whole season already💀 The season had so little impact that I couldn't even remember watching it lol
Earth was the show crashing down to earth. We’ll see if the ship can get up and running.
I think it wasn’t the greatest but it wasn’t horrible either and I just really want to see more content
I agree season 4 wasn't that bad
There were a couple Easter eggs in Season 4 to Avatar the Last Airbender actually. I found it fun
I can definitely see it being a setup season, so I think how well people view it will depend on whether future seasons pay off. The political situation with the fire elves could grow into a problem that helps Aaravos later. Also that whole thing bothered me. The architects are supposed to be helping rebuild, but in two years they haven’t even gotten one house up, even with an entire camp of elves with nothing better to do than to help move materials? The whole conflict with the mourning candle also seemed forced as a way to set up racial intolerance.
One thing that bothered me is I don’t think the heroes ever got the map from the dragon. Team Aaravos did by using the goofy goo to copy it, but then the dragon was pissed off enough he never gave it to the heroes.
Even though people say s4 is not my favorite season, it's still good. I still want to see s5. We need to finish the storyline.
Aaron Ehasz fired a huge chunk of their small team once S3 wrapped, plus there are a lot of credible allegations against him being a toxic asshole of a boss. It's clear that a lot of talent left during the exodus...S4's god-awful writing is proof of that.
I genuinely don't feel like they can right the ship after this, and quite frankly I don't give a shit. Maybe they make all seven seasons maybe they won't. S4 was so bad I have absolutely no desire to watch any further.
They will make season 5 great this was the buildup season so the next ones should be awesome.
I think most people when they watch a show nowadays they don't want it to end up like got peak at the beginning, rough in the middle and then shit at the end
The only thing that annoyed me about this season was Karim. He was way too whiney
the jokes were too uncomfortable, especially considering I had family visiting at the time. Season 4 doesn't look good for the future, but I have hope that the set-up season will pay off when season 5 releases.
Imo Dragon Prince is paced like it has double the episodes. Season 4 felt like it stopped halfway through
I wish they would Finishes the Dragon Prince what they started the right way and not cut it like people have done in the pass.
Personally, I'm starting to get tired of the phrase "set up season". Just because a season is a clear "set up" style season for later events doesn't automatically give it a pass for neglecting the here and now, nor does "It's supposed to be slow, it's a set up season" should equal "Everything is supposed to progress at slower than a snail's pace". There's a difference.
Rayllum needed an actual conversation to start getting the relationship back on track, not just a moment. The humor this season was another problem. Humor is supposed to ease tense moments, not stop tense moments from happening altogether and that happened too often for my liking.
Season one was also a set up season, but the action and the plot points happening in the current moment during that season were both better paced and better addressed rather than needlessly dragged out. Characterization introductions and implementation were on point and distinctive, animation was beautiful (and got even better in seasons two and three), the jokes were properly timed and eased tension rather than gating serious moments from happening, the pacing overall hardly ever felt like needless padding, and multiple plot points were better juggled throughout the narrative. Season 4 was all over the place in comparison, not giving the audience time enough to get invested in one plot point before choppily switching to a different one within 30 seconds at a time.
I'm also not a fan of how disconnected Through the Moon was to the animated portion of the story. I get that they want people to have reasons to read the comics, but if that is going to be a major set up to a relationship plot point in the show, then those events need to at least be alluded to within the story.
It's also not as compelling to watch the characters unravel mysteries that you as the audience member are already privy too and take as long as they did doing so. We already KNOW Viren is alive, we already KNOW Aaravos could and does communicate to wizards to corrupt and use them, and so on so it would have been better for the characters to get caught up to speed way faster than they did. We needed to better set up the MYSTERY OF AARAVOS since that's what this was about, not spend so much time reconfirming things we already knew.
By no means do I hate season 4. The season had a lot of great moments, but often times I think people use "set up season" as an excuse to dismiss poor pacing and questionable writing decisions regarding the characters. And overall, imo what we did receive wasn't worth the three years we had to wait in terms of quality.
I'm also concerned for season 5 if it's already been finished before anyone could give any real feedback or anything. I'm not going to abandon the show or anything dramatic like that, but season 4 did not get me excited for season 5 (beyond hoping it will be better) like season 3 did for season 4.
My greatest fear for this show is that it might become a "RWBY" senerio where it's good in the first 3 seasons and then it just goes down from there 😐
You are not the first person I heard say this, infact you are like the 5th.
@@Underworlddream um, good to know?
i miss the day that season 2 came out
if this show next season won't fix it's issues, i think there will be an exodus in viewership, if it hasn't already.
This season just felt rushed, didn't have that refreshing feeing of a new season but there were surely some interesting twists. I don't really criticize shows though and id rather sit and enjoy with some snacks, so either way it doesn't matter to me. Overall great and I'm looking forward to season 5.
Anyone notice that its a kids show and features a good amount of blood? 🤖W show
The season isnt that bad. Sure, its not as good as previous ones, but lets see it as a build up, since this is after a time skip. Only thing is that I hope they dont force us to read the novel to understand what's going on, bcs i didn't and has to search myself
There is a lot of potential, I would just really appreciate it if the characters didn't cry every episode and they wouldn't turn this into a representation-focused romantic drama. My God we have dragons and elves and wars to fight, no offense but I don't much care how great of a girlfriend Janai is if not much else happens because of it.
too many boxes were checked for the writing.
Personally just feel like this is a set up season. Much like season 1 was
there was a time i more or less forgot about this show and what the hell is up with rayla voice
If they begin to figure out what needs to be addressed more seriously and what can become an inside joke, that would make it infinitely better. The moth thing? Yeah, that sounds like a mix between an inside joke and plot relevance. I wish it wasn't just used for comic relief. Soren? He's just a walking joke, but he does know when to be serious. Honestly, he was one of the best handled characters, in Season 4, with slightly lowered standards ofc. Terry? I'm sorry, but he needs to be treated more seriously. The fact that he's trans shouldn't amount to two whole sentences. He shouldn't be relegated to comic relief in every scene he's in, other than maybe three I can think of. (Him killing Ibis, him discussing that with Viren, and him convincing Claudia to give Rayla the coins.) They need to set a more consistent tone, otherwise it just won't work.
I really enjoyed season 4. Sure, it did have flaws. But this season made me want to look up videos like these about the series, whereas I had no interest in doing that after season 1-3. S4 made me rewatch the whole series and then actually start digging into what other fans have been saying... and MAN, am I disappointed that nobody seems to want to discuss theories without trashing the whole freaking season.
I did only watch seasons 1-3 for the first time maybe about a year ago, so maybe not having to deal with a 3-year build-up of anticipation helped. Maybe it also helps that I'm totally and completely apathetic about Rayllum - I adore both characters but I really don't care about them as a romantic couple... it's the least interesting part of the series for me, tbh. It's not the focus of the show, nor should it be.
Yes, there were flaws, but it also was pretty clearly serving as both a reset season and a setup season. The first arc is done, and this is the start of a brand-new one. Maybe it's because they wrapped up TOO MANY loose ends in S3, thinking that the show was getting canceled.
Idk. I just... I see some flaws in the season (pacing being #1, character writing #2), but the story and show are still both incredibly interesting to me. Wish I could find some folks that felt the same.
Y do callums eyes look so spaced out😭😭😭💀💀
I always feel like it is was worse when a good show becomes mid at best, compared to one that was mid to begin with.
I watched the first episode of season 4 and quit, it was that painfully bad, super cliche in that you knew exactly what was going to happen, along all the reactions and dialogue before it happened and none of it was interesting, it could be any generic characters doing a surprise birthday party, the writing was that lifeless. It might as well have been those drawing memes were there’s blank characters in a pose/scenario and you draw in your choice of characters, that’s how bland the writing and characterisation was.
And worse, it took so damn long for these predictable moments to happen, they stretched a 5 minute sequence into an entire episode.
From what I can see by reviews, it’s basically like that the whole season. I will give season 5 a chance but at this point I have zero interest in ever watching season 4 and consequently, I have zero expectations season 5 will be good, but here’s to hoping they managed to fix the writing. I am extremely forgiving on animation and production quality, a good story will always make up for it, but when the story can’t carry it it only makes those flaws more obvious and far less forgiving. You know somethings wrong with your story if it fails to engross people and they’re instead judging the visuals in-depth on a first-time watch, because it means they’re bored and their mind is trying to take in something “interesting” to focus on to alleviate their boredom.
I disagree with you about everything about season 4 especially when it comes to that part about the party I think a lot of people are missing the point that party was supposed to be helping the relationship between the humans and the dragons
@@animezilla4486 I fully respect the fact there’s people who enjoyed the season, but from a writing/media critique standpoint I wanted to point out your defence of the show is putting blame on the audience instead of the writing quality.
It shouldn’t be possible for so many people to “not get the point” that’s a flaw in the writing if the authors intent isn’t what audience experiences. The audience’s confusion can’t be explained away as stupidity.
Dragon Prince isn’t one of those intentional “mindfuck” psychological thrillers where confusion is the authorial intent, no one should be confused unless the writer intends for the audience to feel that way. It’s silly to try and fault the audience instead of the writers.
@@Sanakudou I wasn't trying to blame the audience I understand why a lot of people felt disappointed but I feel like season 4 it's a set up for something big happening in the season 5
Before season 4 XD
After watching season 4, WTF.
Honestly after this season and how painfully pussy footing the have been in the interviews (specially with Rayllum, god please don't screw it up!) depending in the next season I may as well dip, and check when the full series is out
I'm horrified about what they've said the interviews about Rayllum, even if I know it to be them teasing. But considering how it's my favorite part of the show (and I think a huuuge chunk of people agree), how could I not lol
7:52 Rayllum is dead. Main romantic arc is now Claudia and Terry and I'm okay with this. Seriously though, if I was Callum, I would have told Rayla to GFTO the moment she showed up in my room after ghosting me for 2 years, that would be the healthy response, nobody should put up with the kind of garbage Rayla pulled on him, cut people like that out of your life.
Fans can forgive a lot if the writing is good. It was really weak in this season.
season 4 was a set up season I am sure season 5 will be good
Yeah you think they'll need 5 years to make a good season
@@ManiyaVinas add a few more years then its accurate
cope
The problems that plagued Season 4 were always present in the previous seasons, they were just better at hiding them. Bad humor, contrived narratives, character motivations and actions changing on a dime to suite the plot, and frequent Deus ExMachina have always been in the show.
I think season 5 will be good and I’m expecting a lot more to happen.
season 4 was absolute dogshit. only reason i managed to pull through with watching it is because i want to watch season 5 in hopes that it is better
What pissed me off sooo much, is what they did about the love relationship between Rayla and Callum in season 4, that shit pissed me the fk off, and it was for no reason,
But tbh I rate the entire series 2/10 maybe 3/10, because of the stupid amount of uneeded (alphabatical agenda) that was shoved in the viewer's face and throat,
MY GOD they focused on the love between the (alphabatical agenda) SIDE CHARACTERS more than they focused on the MAIN CHARACTERS Normal love birds in the story, f*ing LOL dude,
This shows how they love (the alphabatical agenda) to ruin a good story just to shove their (agenda) on other people throats,
The only redeaming quality about this thing is Rayla's funny character and sad story,
Damn shame this series had a slight potential of being actually good, in-before they shoved the stupid (alphabatical agenda) down my throat.
really damn shame.
I really just honestly hope the reason it came out that way was because most of their focus was on season 5, 6 and 7, let's just hope season 4 ended up like this because it was just to reintroduce us to the characters (although 9 episodes of that is a bad way to do it), let's just pray season 4 was just sort of an afterthought
When are you gonna go back to talking about the main story? Theorizing like back, in the good old gpdays
dont worry its good
*A Song of Love and Loss was a banger though.*
I trust them to not fuck up season 5.
They need to tone way down on some of the humor- especially farts and tiktok dances. I almost stopped watching because of how much I face palmed
It was underwhelming, but not “bad”…
I honestly want to beg the film makers themselves to CHANGE THE ARTSTLYE!
Why would they?
it wasnt terrible. but im hoping it was just a set up season. please dont voltron this.
this season was for buildup
dude has never watched anything with a setup season
Are we EVER going to get back to the fact that the king was NEVER KILLED?? That his soul/spirit is trapped in that bird?!?
What is the point of Ezran being able to talk to animals if all he's going to talk to are animals we can get the gist of what they're saying via body language?
Are they just dropping that storyline?? Cause yes the king was transplanted by magic, but with Viren's death, did that change things? Does the natural lifespan of the bird come in to play? If the king is trapped for too long, does he stop being a human spirit and become the bird?