CP Intercidades Review! Portugal's loco-hauled lottery!
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- Up this week, we'll be taking a look at the Portuguese national operator, Comboios de Portugal (CP) and their Intercidades (Intercity) trains. They use two types of coaches and, as you'll see, it's a bit of a lottery as to which type of coach you'll get, as the level of comfort varies drastically between the two!
Date of Travel: June 2021
Class of Travel: 1st Class
Rolling Stock: Class 5600 with Corail and Sorefame Modernizada Coaches
Type of Service: Intercidades
Train Number: IC720/IC572
Origin: Porto-Campanhã, Portugal
Destination: Lisboa Oriente, Lisbon, Portugal
Cost of Ticket: €45 (£38.10, $52)
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Returned yesterday from my first European trip and went with AVLO (Barcelona>Madrid), Alfa Pendular (Lisboa>Porto), and the went the Porto-Pocinho trip bc of your reviews. It is really breathtaking.
Thank you so much!
Hope you enjoyed 😁
I've been on worse trains. The first one looked awesome. The thing that strikes me is the overall cleanliness of the country. Even the underground walkway or tunnel was spotless.
Portugal was brill in 1989. Clean cheap and I found the language dead easy to pick up as nobody spoke English then. Obrigado Portugal por obrigar me a apreender sua lingua:-)
You are getting close to the 100k subscribers. I’m sure you will be there soon. Thanks for your excellent weekly reports.
Wonderful video as always! Love the massive locomotive, and the open, welcoming interior. Not a common thing these days unfortunately. Portugal has some awesome scenery
Beautiful day for a train ride. I liked the interior of the first train quite a lot. It was so inviting with its bright green curtains and spacious blue seats.
Have you ever considered publishing a compilation video of you waving in train toilet mirrors?
😂
Glad you finally got the tray table lowered. Bonus points for using the phrase "whinging whinebag". :)
Great trip report... That cafe car on the first train like neat! You should have had a meal in there? I love the Portuguese
Green !!! :):):)
Dylan, when the electrification woks gets complete this train and "Alfa Pendular" will run until Vila Real de Santo António, now this part is disel
Ooo, nice!
Lovely as always :) Thanks for another cheerful and sunny report.
Thanks, Dylan! Two trains in one video, it's wonderful !!!
Interesting report. I was in Portugal in October / November 2021 for 2 weeks based partly in Lisbon, partly Porto. The intention was to cover the entire Portugese railway network in 10 days, using a 3 day & 7 day Portugese rail pass. Other than the short branch to Figueira da Foz I managed it, including the remaining metre gauge. Took some planning as I wanted almost all travel to be in daylight and on some routes the service is pretty sparse. Travelled 1st class although other than a few less people there wasn't much difference to standard. Remember only IC and Alpha Pendular services have 1st class anyway. Dylan's experience pretty similar to mine. Bit of a pain that despite having a rail pass it was still necessary to have a ticket for each journey. Having got the rail passes at Lisbon, I presented the ticket office with a list of 52 tickets I wanted. Took an hour to sort those out.
Cavaco Silva buggered the metre gauge like the Tua Braganca line that used to carry loads of freight as well as passenger traffic
The digital displays on each platform staircase along the passageway at Porto Campanhã is very reminiscent of Los Angeles Union Station!
Thanks again for another informative rail journey through Portugal. The contrast in standards between the first and second trains was quite stark and I do hope your derriere didn't suffer too much from the seat in the second train. Cheers from Michael.
Another nice video. Thanks for mentioning the accessibility features (or the lack thereof; no accessible washroom on the train!). This is often missed in other reviews and is something that I -- as a wheelchair user-- need to know.
I very much enjoy your video reports, Dylan. I actually have never been on a train, but I am hopeful that will change in 2022. Friday is a day I look forward to so I can watch your content. Keep it up!
Fantastic... !! Pretty neat train, good job...!
Cheers for the great reviews! Also, I wanted to point out that this video's description points out Lisboa Oriente as the destination for the trip, but the actual destination was Faro.
Shame you didn't have time to visit Loule , a lovely little town.
Great video. Take care and keep safe .
Another brilliant video Dylan. Keep them coming!
Thanks!
@@DylansTravelReports No worries! Stay well.
Great video!
Cp Intercidades trains are indeed very comfortable and the value for money is great especially when you bought the ticket in advance. The modernized (modernizada) sorefame coaches aren't so bad at all. The legroom might not be as good as the corails but seats at least for my experience are also very comfortable. Also important to mention that the power sockets aren't available in every seat and that a prototype to modernize those coaches and make them wheelchair accessible is being build at Entroncamento workshops.
The second train, I think you need to get that kid to put your tray table down…. Because obviously only tiny fingers can get those things to work lol and he seem to have no trouble
Fantastic. I love Portugal, this video brings it all back, my time there in 2019. Can't wait to retire and live out the rest of my days here. I do the entire journey by rail from the UK.
Those are Mangalore tiles. The Portuguese set up tile factories around Mangalore long before the British came in. Many of those tile factories are still in production. I grew up in a Mangalore home with that exact same kind of tile.
Thanks for another great video, Dylan. I've never been to Portugal, but when/ if I do, I'll definitely take a train
Eh, yes, our Corails remain unbeaten! Great video :)
Thanks! 😀
Great video! I’m so glad you are keeping to the voice over format.
The first train looked very impressive. (And the toilet seat matched the curtains? 😂😂)
Thanks 😁
Great trip as always.
My only experience of long distance rail travel in Portugal was in 'tourist class' on the Alfa Pendular from Lisbon to Porto
Have to say though, I found it to be very comfortable and paid only €20 each way as I'm rail staff so I was entitled to 50% off.
Why didn't you use a Coupon? It would have been free then. Apart from I presume having to pay for the seat reservations?
@@helenjudd1 what?
No shortage of taxis at Faro! Lovely cobbled streets outside the station, unless you plan to include Faro in a future video to depart somewehre I'd like to have seen a a quick station tour on arrival!
Tbh, there really isn't much at Faro station. Just a small waiting room and ticket office.
Nice one mate!
Great video! Love the new commentary vids and Portuguese trains seem so interesting.
Thanks!
Did Porto to Coimbra B on the 1038 train last month, thanks for your video report!!
One train good and one train bad.. that's a split video day for you. Sorry that the latter train was bad enough. I hope other first class trains will be better to enjoy. Hugs. don't let the pre turkeys get you down!
Great video !!
You should do a report on the American Acela Express (btw loved the video! It was great!)
Nice Video! I Love these train journeys. When is the Transpennine Express Class 802 Video coming out? You said it would come out soon when you realised your Nova 3 Review.
It'll be out just before Christmas 😁
@@DylansTravelReports Yay! :D
Ah those 5600 are so beautiful. Close cousins to renfe’s 252
epic video i love the detail in the coaches and the engine looks ace if id have loads of money i go on that train
Lovely report. And as I see the trains in Portugal are not so wonderful. Altogugh much better than some of in our dcountry. Thanks Wiliie Grant.
The only part of Portugal I’ve been to is The Algarve and Faro. But I would like to go to Lisbon and Porto.
I definitely like the curtains over blinds. No arguing with the passenger sharing the window if you want to look out and they don’t l.
Exactly my thoughts!
Excellent 👍👍👍
Loved the review, and I have to say, you have a gorgeous head of hair.
Thanks for another trip !!!
Nice to see classic Corail coaches again. All details are the same as in the 1980s including the empty soap dispenser. It's part of the design I'm afraid 😉 Love these coaches anyway.
One more good one. That first train was a keeper. No Dylan, there's never enough rambling on. I'd like to hear a lot more. You could be the next Rick Steves. That underground platform & lift was quite clean & bright. It would be dark, dingy & full of graffiti where I live. It's good that your longer leg of the journey was in the more comfy train. Considering covid- how can the loo not have any soap? That is disappointing. At a quick glance the second train looks pretty similar. Then the disappointments start. Lucky that it was your shorter part of your trip. Thanks for the journey. Looking forward to next Friday. Enjoy!
All of those tiny litter bins on European trains must be very labour intensive to clean!
Nice trip i enjoyed it
Couple of clarifications are in order:
1. There is no lottery in the carriages. Sorefame renovated coaches are used mainly in the Lisbon to Evora/Faro/Guarda routes, rarely being used in other routes. The Corail Coaches being used to the Lisbon to Porto/Braga/Valenca routes. The Sorefame renovated coaches are allocated to the Lisbon Santa Apolonia depot and the Corail Coaches are allocated to the Porto/Contumil depot.
2. There are also power sockets in the Corail 1st class coaches. You can see them under the seat in light blue on the 12:29 time of this video.
3. Sorefame coaches were built in Portugal under license from Budd Company.
all your pots are awsome - have you ever thought of making one of bloppers
Oh god, we'd be here all day 😂
Travelled this route a number of times through the years since the 90s. Worth mentioning that Christ's little finger on that statue Cristo Rei, is in fact 6 feet long. I have been up the statue a few moons ago and dread to think of the cost of doing it now. At last count, around 5 euros.
Yesterday i took the IC from Guarda to Lisboa, the seats were exactly like the IC you took to Faro. Today i still cannot sit straight from the damage i took yesterday... And the WiFi was not working at all.
Would I be correct in saying that a lot of trains in Europe still do not have fully wheelchair accessible toilets?
i can't say anything about other countries but in germany there should be no problem all trains i used in the last years have one (regional and intercity)
uhm on second thought maybe make sure you don't have to travel along the whole train to find one, i don't know if you can see that on the outside.
Boa manhã ai Dylans lindo tren boa viagem ai portugal loco hauled
I am gonna say strange things today...,but I like the trash bin on the train !! Lol. As it was wide ,too ! I disliked Japanese trash bins on trains when I grew up in Japan til 22 ...they were long ,but thin ,so I poked trash further in w/ o putting my hand in .Lol. I was wondering why you had to explain of the stairs & platforms ...I 🤔 ,I guess it's because people / kids nowadays don't use trains much & not familiar with how train stations are !?
Iiked this train ,btw. Very clean & looking comfy !! I loved the leg room you got in the 1st class !! ( the 1st train's ,not the 2nd one ...that was so comedic that you tried very hard to pull down the tray & not much of a legroom !! )
Japan has always been very accessible to all the disabled people which I am very proud of !! Trains ,many shops ,almost all public bathrooms/ toilets ,many train stations . Not to mention hospitals ! 👍💜🥁🐉🎤🎶💞
Love travelling by train in Portugal. Dont they run Alfa Pendular services from Porto to Faro without the need to change at Oriente?
Oriente designed by the same feller who designed the City of Arts & Sciences in Valencia..
The Alfa goes from Porto Campanhã to Faro directly in +- 5h30
Thank you. I know the traject well, but it is always fun to see a review.
Campanhã is pronounced like campanYEAH. Not CamPANya. But I´ve heard worse ;)
Why didn’t you show us the carriage for large luggages? We want to see where they are located.
to note that Calatrava designed also a high speed rail station in Italy (Reggio Emilia Mediopadana AV)
I thought the train on the first leg of your trip was impressive, but it looked like the seats could not be reclined.
I never noticed the difference in those seats, but maybe that’s because I’ve been traveling on second class. 🤷♂️ As for the interiors, they look rather similar in design, but admittedly the Sorefame coaches are indeed showing their age.
I’d also suggest that you check the new remodeled Arco coaches - from a lot of more than 50 CP bought used from their Spanish counterpart, Renfe Operadora - once they are put into service in a few months (by the end of this year, or the first quarter of the next at the latest, I reckon) on Interregional services on the Minho line (they are bound to serve on ICs instead, once the Stadler FLIRT MMUs for that line are delivered). They look positively gaudy by comparison, but are hopefully comfortable and guaranteed to feel new.
Yes, I think the 2nd Class seats are the same on both Corail and Sorefame.
Nice video . Thanks
Just one thing, this trip is to be made in Alfa trains, you don't need to change in Lisboa it's faster and you enjoy the landscapes as well! Food and beverages had the same quality! But sincerly to this long trip is much better!
Those prices are amazing.
I’m surprised there’s no visual and no comment whatsoever on luggage storage or areas and I don’t see any overhead racks. This is a major omission, for anyone actually seeking information about the route.
Were all the coaches air conditioned?
yes they are ..... although they are very old.... some of them were built in late 70s... early 80s.....
can you climb the locos in the museum?
No
best line: "not to be a complete whinging whinebag". ;-)
I enjoyed the Cafe Car
nice trip
What was the date you actually took this train trip?
You should take the AP trains, the Alpha Pendular... They're much better than the IC trains in Portugal. And not that much more expensive. 😊
I already have 😁
Makes me remember my trip to Portugal 3 years ago. I've taken both Intercidades and Alfa Pendular few days apart. Relative to price, I would prefer the IC as the latter does not give much of a premium in relation to its higher cost.
Did I miss plug sockets on the seat tour or are there none in these coaches?
Just got my answer at 12 minutes in.
there are only a few plugs on some of these seats...and only in first class....so too bad for second class passengers....
Thanks for saving our butts on those awful seats.
they are not that awful.... off course they are not as confortable as those on the Corail coaches... but we are talking about sorefame coaches they are very old.,....and poorly designed....but you can still seat on them for a good long journey...unfortunately portugal has fallen behind the rest of europe on railway improvement.....
Their high speed trains are a lottery too. One was very bright and modern and newly renovated with wide (fake) leather seats whilst the other was worn-down and not comfortable and with fabric seats...
The fleet got completely renovated a few years back, the refurbishments began in 2012 and only finished in 2016 or 2017. All 9 operational Alfa Pendular trains are new and modern looking
Sorefame modernizadas have a european plug, is the difernce
Thanks for the report Dylan, just one thing, I'm not exactly expecting you to know how to speak the languages of the various places you visit but I would strongly encourage you to put the place you're visiting into Google and listen to the pronunciation. Campanha for example is pronounced a bit differently from how you said it, the ending especially. Don't get me wrong, it's a minor thing but just thought I'd let you know. :-)
Google translator is totally brazilianized,, so you probably would get a Brazilian pronunciation. I still prefer Dylan’s pronunciation to a Brazilian one …
7:35 I live in Espinho :)
For sure, if a the worst first class seat looks like this, even CFR Călători is better.
Good video Dylan. Accept I have one complaint. This video is too long. I do like the train. I love the beautiful scenic views of Portugal.
The one thing I would say Dylan is that your comment regarding prices is one from a foreigner's perspective. Keep in mind that a minimum wage salary in Portugal is shy of 700 euros a month, 45 euros is not considered exactly affordable for the locals. Great reviews though and I must wholeheartedly agree with you, the Sorefame seats are not comfortable at all, experienced such myself a couple of years back. It is a huge shame that Portugal lags so behind other European countries when it comes to rail.
Your videos are the best. I like your reviews
Thanks a lot!
@@DylansTravelReports UK = 😎😎😎
I'm early
Video's final score: 7.6
The sceneries viewed from both trains were beautiful 😍 You took 20 minutes !? so long to find the socket was very funny !! 😆 I wonder if it's easy for Portuguese. Each country has ways of doing things which understood by their own citizens, but difficult for foreigners. Just got curious ! Lol. Or simply designed poorly ! Lol. That happens also !
I dislike when the light switches get complicated !! Lol. Like in hotels ...too many switches in bathrooms ,especially if it's a high tech one...lol. And it takes a while to get used to it as well ! Ugh...! Lol.
all that happens because those coaches are very old ..... some of them were built more than 50 years ago.... exactly the Sorefame Coaches..... the Corail Coaches are a bit younger than that.....
@@joaorodrigues2905 Oh -- o.k.,I see !! Thanks for telling me about that ! Thank you for your reply !! 👍🚈💜🥁🐉🎤🎶💞
Try not to put too much emphasis on the first word of every sentence you speak. Nice video. Cheers!..
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Anyone and everyone who starts their videos explaining how like buttons and subscribing works… Deserve the pit of hell.
Everything track side is so clean and well kept. Stations and trains spotless too. Why is Britain so dirty and couldn’t care less?
Some trains in britain are falling to pieces as well. You don't really want to use EMR's Intercity services, as their trains are falling to pieces, and you don't want to use EMR Connect either as those trains are 20 years old and unrefurbished. 3+2 seating as well with no tables, yuck!
is this a you-shit-on-the-tracks toilet?
I how are you doing
Good thanks! You?
Usual dirty windows you get on CP trains!