I feel like conversations about the complexities of gender identity and sexuality and being attracted towards masculinity vs femininity can get veeeery out of hand when its a bunch of people who aren't educated on the topics try to figure it out instead of letting someone who goes through it first hand explain it to thm
I feel like this happens a lot in communities that we don't see. They sit and have extensive conversations about homosexuality and Trans identity with not a single person who identifies with that and come up with their own assumptions as fact. Like theres litterally still people out there that say being gay is a choice with full confidence and zero facts.
loved this live, one thing that did bother me though was some of the misinformation and ignorance that came from some of the people invited onto the lives, like they/them pronouns and nonbinary people are not new, they have been around since forever and were predominant in many native communities, and saying that it is a new thing or a trend is just false. I wish people could educate themselves a bit more before ridiculing something and spreading misinformation to a vast amount of people
and the comment about people who use they/them pronouns being mad is kinda ignorant, like you too would be upset to some degree if you were to be constantly misgendered or have the wrong pronouns used in affiliation with you
it really hasnt been around forever lol it's a new trend. it dont matter if you say sum fake shit about it being around forever, it's a new trend that ppl use because they dont like themself and how they are. instead of working toward self love, they try to label themself and then join a toxic ass community who holds up gender identities over self love. the lgbt community has grown to be nothing but toxic and hateful, and it's disgusting and disappointing. we fought for our rights, and now for the first time in years, lgbt acceptance has gone down because of shit like nonbinary and they/them becoming a trend. they are not valid, and are destroying my community, and if you disagree then you're homophobic and want the community to fall and stay down
Also I don’t like the comments about furries because shit like that sexualizes kids and makes an innocent hobby into something that it’s not. Many many furries are just kids who like anthropomorphic animals, and many of them are minors. They aren’t going to school with fucking butt plugs in 😭. That is a disgusting comment to make about a bunch of young kids who like Disney movies.
I can't agree with the furry thing. The majority of furries are just people who dress up as animals and or people who see the embodiment of themselves in an anthropomorphic character. While there is that side of the furry community that contain less than safe for work stuff, it's not the whole community and it shouldn't be treated as such. Tiana and Kelon said that they disliked the people wearing animal ears/tails in public, and while it's understandable, they're not harming anyone (unless they're wearing actual tail buttplugs, then that's pretty disturbing.) The furry community has been a generally safe and welcoming community especially to neurodivergent people and people who identify within the LGBTQ+ community. As for They/Them pronouns, they can be used both plurally or singularly. "Leo and Katy went to the mall, THEY had a good time." and "I brought a friend over, have you seen THEM?" are both plausible and grammatically correct ways to use they and them. Also to the person who was invited onto the live. They/Them pronouns did not "come out of nowhere." They've existed various communities. But it's obviously going to take time, acceptance never occurred over mere seconds. I was happy to hear Tiana's willingness to understand Furries and They/Them pronouns, but was disappointed to hear people from the LGBTQ+ community being ignorant.
@@Starcrossedslv I never said people couldn't like it, I just don't see why people should have a problem with it. Is it at any way endangering anyone? Is anyone at risk? Sure it may be unusual and strange but at times when I find myself deeming something "cringeworthy" I ask myself those questions and then go about my day.
America's education system really is f'ed up if they don't even learn that They/Them is even used for singular beings, i learned that s*** in finland lmao
About the trans community in jail… look at poor Nikita Dragon having to be with men in jail. I think it’s cases like this that make me see how this needs to be addressed.
People tend to forget self care and love is important. There’s alot of us (women) who are doing the inner work to become the best we can be. There’s nothing wrong with her making music for single ladies and empowering them in their independence. If the shoe fits…
ookkayy since when u wanna start policong sexual behaviours in consenting adults. not much a problem, biggums. not all trans fit your people deviant sexual perversions
eh, you cant be defending dylan and then bashing caitlin. dylan hasn't gotten her voice feminized, and yet she's bashing caitlin for not getting hers feminized, and tiana had 0 right to say that she isnt really trans. you cant pick and choose if you support trans ppl, u either support them or are transphobic
as a trans man, this entire live was so horribly misinformed. two cis people trying to talk about trans people whilst thinking they're being accepting is so common and honestly it does disgust me. trans women do not owe anybody feminity, trans men do not owe anybody masculinity(thinking trans people owe you a certain gender presentation is transphobic and deduces people to their gender performance, which is shitty to cis people too) cis men are still EXTREMELY transphobic to trans men(we are not exempt from transphobia and murder at all, I've been harrassed for it, now i just don't say i'm trans because i'm sick of the back and forths), they/them is not inherently plural and is not 'he/she'(and has been around for centuries), furries do not want to be animals and very rarely wear buttplugs(beings who believe they're an animal are called therians and do not deserve to be laughed at, considering they most likely have a genuine disattachment to reality and their identity), neo/xenopronouns are NOT fake and are not degrading to trans communities(they're almost always neurodivergent, and neurodivergent people tend to have a disconnect from societal concepts of humanity/identity, thus feeling more connected to pronouns like cat/catself etc), trans people are ENTITLED to getting angry at being misgendered, especially if the person gets a shitty attitude about it; cis gay men are NOT entitled to speaking on trans people(which they seem to think they always do), and i don't understand the trauma circlejerk about 'we fought so hard just for the new communities to claim they're this and that' as if 1; the lgbtq+ isn't still EXTREMELY oppressed(we are still being murdered and criminalized everyday), and 2; even if we weren't oppressed anymore, wouldn't they WANT that? what are they fighting for if they get mad at any sign of progress? it's so fucking evil. and also, fursuit tails are not fucking buttplugs; they're attached to an elastic belt that you string through your fursuit body. and another also, it is NOT trans people's faults that people refuse to learn. 'it just takes time!' and shit like that is a pathetic excuse to disrespect people. yes it takes time to understand, but that doesn't mean anybody deserves to be exempt from anger and being called out. i'm sick of being blamed for being angry about the constant disrespect. non-furries shut the fuck up. and MUCH more importantly, cis people shut the fuck up. don't try preaching to the choir, you look stupid and transphobic. which you are, whether or not you think you know that.
To answer your question instead of writing a -crying in yo feelings- comment. That is Tianna he is a man, and from what I know he is not trans. While I’m sure he wouldn’t mind being called a “she”.
I feel like conversations about the complexities of gender identity and sexuality and being attracted towards masculinity vs femininity can get veeeery out of hand when its a bunch of people who aren't educated on the topics try to figure it out instead of letting someone who goes through it first hand explain it to thm
I feel like this happens a lot in communities that we don't see. They sit and have extensive conversations about homosexuality and Trans identity with not a single person who identifies with that and come up with their own assumptions as fact. Like theres litterally still people out there that say being gay is a choice with full confidence and zero facts.
This session was so comforting and nice to listen to.
2:29:35 Esther came in clutch, spilling the tea 🍵 and reading the gurls down ✨👀🧐. We Stan Queen Esther!;
I really hope she becomes a recurring character.
Nah that anime conversation was too real😭😭😭
Time stamp?
one thing about me is when i see tianna and keke on the thumbnail, imma cliqq!
My cliqq lol
And three hours? Bless.
Terri Joe you ALLLLWAYS have me busting out laughin and or crying when I hear you on your videos! I adore you and can’t wait to see your lives!!💜💜
2:13:24 “They be so angerrr.” 😂😂
Daaaaaaaaamn Esther came and kept it reaaaal 😂😂😂😂😂 she spilled about the UK and told us everything that is fucked u ... an icon period 😭
Its gon’ come a day, when them people will pass away 💀💀💀💀💀 BYE I FELL OUT 😭😭😭😭
loved this live, one thing that did bother me though was some of the misinformation and ignorance that came from some of the people invited onto the lives, like they/them pronouns and nonbinary people are not new, they have been around since forever and were predominant in many native communities, and saying that it is a new thing or a trend is just false. I wish people could educate themselves a bit more before ridiculing something and spreading misinformation to a vast amount of people
and the comment about people who use they/them pronouns being mad is kinda ignorant, like you too would be upset to some degree if you were to be constantly misgendered or have the wrong pronouns used in affiliation with you
😂😂😂
@@brytelites 😢awww let’s cry
it really hasnt been around forever lol it's a new trend. it dont matter if you say sum fake shit about it being around forever, it's a new trend that ppl use because they dont like themself and how they are. instead of working toward self love, they try to label themself and then join a toxic ass community who holds up gender identities over self love.
the lgbt community has grown to be nothing but toxic and hateful, and it's disgusting and disappointing. we fought for our rights, and now for the first time in years, lgbt acceptance has gone down because of shit like nonbinary and they/them becoming a trend. they are not valid, and are destroying my community, and if you disagree then you're homophobic and want the community to fall and stay down
Also I don’t like the comments about furries because shit like that sexualizes kids and makes an innocent hobby into something that it’s not. Many many furries are just kids who like anthropomorphic animals, and many of them are minors. They aren’t going to school with fucking butt plugs in 😭. That is a disgusting comment to make about a bunch of young kids who like Disney movies.
THE FLY/FLEW PRONOUNS TOOK ME TF OUT
Definitely a live for the books! 💗
This one of my favorite lives ❤️ 😍. Thanks P💙💚
I can't agree with the furry thing. The majority of furries are just people who dress up as animals and or people who see the embodiment of themselves in an anthropomorphic character. While there is that side of the furry community that contain less than safe for work stuff, it's not the whole community and it shouldn't be treated as such.
Tiana and Kelon said that they disliked the people wearing animal ears/tails in public, and while it's understandable, they're not harming anyone (unless they're wearing actual tail buttplugs, then that's pretty disturbing.) The furry community has been a generally safe and welcoming community especially to neurodivergent people and people who identify within the LGBTQ+ community.
As for They/Them pronouns, they can be used both plurally or singularly. "Leo and Katy went to the mall, THEY had a good time." and "I brought a friend over, have you seen THEM?" are both plausible and grammatically correct ways to use they and them.
Also to the person who was invited onto the live. They/Them pronouns did not "come out of nowhere." They've existed various communities. But it's obviously going to take time, acceptance never occurred over mere seconds.
I was happy to hear Tiana's willingness to understand Furries and They/Them pronouns, but was disappointed to hear people from the LGBTQ+ community being ignorant.
So it’s wrong to not like people walking around dressed in full body animal costumes as a everyday getup?
@@Starcrossedslv I never said people couldn't like it, I just don't see why people should have a problem with it. Is it at any way endangering anyone? Is anyone at risk? Sure it may be unusual and strange but at times when I find myself deeming something "cringeworthy" I ask myself those questions and then go about my day.
America's education system really is f'ed up if they don't even learn that They/Them is even used for singular beings, i learned that s*** in finland lmao
This had me DECEASED this morning lol
I truly couldn’t breathe last night was the funniest thing ever
Esther was so real omg I like her vibe!!!
LMFAOOOOO THE STORY ABOUT THE FAIR🤣🤣🤣🤣
How tf did you record this and get 0 sleep? 😭😭 love you P
Y'all make me cry and gave me cow disease and ebola combined into one super disease and I'm literally stressing and your baby daddy is me.
3 hours of 2 people talking be funny sometimes
Rewatched this whole video bc this comment got hearted
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE 😢❤❤❤
Didn’t really enjoy how they talked about they/them pronouns I get it’s posed to be light but it ruffled my feathers a little lol
2:42:48 i agree with ke about this. CROWN ESTHER NOW AS THE NEW KWEEN!
this was overall great. this bit at 2:17:30 is where they actually figure out what gender is. it's not sex. it's feminine and masculine.
Thanks for uploading this ❤️
About the trans community in jail… look at poor Nikita Dragon having to be with men in jail. I think it’s cases like this that make me see how this needs to be addressed.
Wait she was sent to a male jail????
@@nulu4668 They held Nikita in her OWN section of, not with the men. Ppl are using misinformation to push a transphobic narrative.
@@nulu4668 yes,male jail
1:03 someone said "the amazon driver" yall doing keke dirty 😭😭😭
I enjoyed this dialogue so much
“YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NEW IPHONE”
yeah listen to P, trust us she knows LMAOO
WILLIES IN YOUR BEANS LMFAO
The amount of misinformation in this live is making my head hurt
Timestamp?
Is this Caitlyn?
I’m actually crying at how keelon is CARRYING the conversation. Like goddamn, I see why they don’t do lives anymore lol
I'm screaming did you cut out the controversial section like we asked lmao
what the hell happened 💀
@@keonessmith right plz spill the tea
spill it because i accidentally fell asleep on the live last night !
What happened
what happened
People tend to forget self care and love is important. There’s alot of us (women) who are doing the inner work to become the best we can be. There’s nothing wrong with her making music for single ladies and empowering them in their independence. If the shoe fits…
1:14:00 Tiana was preaching
Baby momma get mad but Teyanna can get all of it 💯
3 hours?! 😲😲
Why does Esther kind of look like the white version of Tianna 😂😩 I hope Esther is okay in 2024 🥹 Cuzzzz baby!!! She was spilling the British tea 🫖
45:49,50:38,1:45:55, 1:50:11, 2:08:08 these parts will be forever funny to me 😭
😂😂😂😂
2:45:35 that reminds me of that episode when riley said sarah peach cobbler look like throw up💀💀💀
2:39:21 Obama!!! Wouldn’t touch no kids!!!
😂😂😂im so fuckin weak
don’t mind me just saving this time stamp 1:16:53 💀
I needed this 🫶😭😅😭
Just honest to goodness fun and hilariousness😂😂😂
The best
"I'm waiting"😭😭🤣🤣
Ame saying she didn’t see or like wakanda forever... cancelled asf
The tlc kelon was talking about is called I am shauna ray. And it’s actually really interesting
1:39:58 borderline terf teas
1:54:38 BAE PUT CHO DAMN KEYOARD DOWN PLEASEEEE
i need a podcast
Educational psyiconic ❤
45:26 i can't 😂 not then talking bout anime fans 😂
46:00 😂 hahahahahah
56:30 😂
1:13:13
There's been an issue with a trans woman impregnation other prisoners. Its happened a few times
ookkayy since when u wanna start policong sexual behaviours in consenting adults. not much a problem, biggums. not all trans fit your people deviant sexual perversions
Kelon the felon
Listening to Tiana talk and she's saying a whole lot of nothing.
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“Esther confirmed Tory” lmfaooo rude
It’s the SIS/CIS/CYST part! That’s the issue I have. Don’t try to demote me as a woman while trying to be me.
1:28:38 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
eh, you cant be defending dylan and then bashing caitlin. dylan hasn't gotten her voice feminized, and yet she's bashing caitlin for not getting hers feminized, and tiana had 0 right to say that she isnt really trans. you cant pick and choose if you support trans ppl, u either support them or are transphobic
Is that racism? “Maybe “
Theyve come so far from this convo
Since now, Kelon goes by She/they
14:50 1:30:25 1:31:04 1:31:25
Oooooihhh 💅🏼
I'm sorry buy it's definitely Johnny's yall know damn well yall would let that man cream everything. Uterus and all. Tf
Ew..No
1:16:48
as a trans man, this entire live was so horribly misinformed. two cis people trying to talk about trans people whilst thinking they're being accepting is so common and honestly it does disgust me. trans women do not owe anybody feminity, trans men do not owe anybody masculinity(thinking trans people owe you a certain gender presentation is transphobic and deduces people to their gender performance, which is shitty to cis people too) cis men are still EXTREMELY transphobic to trans men(we are not exempt from transphobia and murder at all, I've been harrassed for it, now i just don't say i'm trans because i'm sick of the back and forths), they/them is not inherently plural and is not 'he/she'(and has been around for centuries), furries do not want to be animals and very rarely wear buttplugs(beings who believe they're an animal are called therians and do not deserve to be laughed at, considering they most likely have a genuine disattachment to reality and their identity), neo/xenopronouns are NOT fake and are not degrading to trans communities(they're almost always neurodivergent, and neurodivergent people tend to have a disconnect from societal concepts of humanity/identity, thus feeling more connected to pronouns like cat/catself etc), trans people are ENTITLED to getting angry at being misgendered, especially if the person gets a shitty attitude about it; cis gay men are NOT entitled to speaking on trans people(which they seem to think they always do), and i don't understand the trauma circlejerk about 'we fought so hard just for the new communities to claim they're this and that' as if 1; the lgbtq+ isn't still EXTREMELY oppressed(we are still being murdered and criminalized everyday), and 2; even if we weren't oppressed anymore, wouldn't they WANT that? what are they fighting for if they get mad at any sign of progress? it's so fucking evil. and also, fursuit tails are not fucking buttplugs; they're attached to an elastic belt that you string through your fursuit body. and another also, it is NOT trans people's faults that people refuse to learn. 'it just takes time!' and shit like that is a pathetic excuse to disrespect people. yes it takes time to understand, but that doesn't mean anybody deserves to be exempt from anger and being called out. i'm sick of being blamed for being angry about the constant disrespect. non-furries shut the fuck up. and MUCH more importantly, cis people shut the fuck up. don't try preaching to the choir, you look stupid and transphobic. which you are, whether or not you think you know that.
calm down. furries will stay weird
@@theterriverse you truly are so simple-minded and sheeply.
eatttt
U had me till u started trying to justify someone using cat/catself as pronouns 💀
@@Fantisma7 then i never 'had you'. trans rights are not conditional.
Bruh why she eating like that 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Why is it hard to call people the pronoun they prefer? It’s nothing for you to understand
*Googles Moose*
2:05
8:05
Lmaoo
You can't type lol
Kodak is bi
I thought Tianna was trans? So this was definitely an interesting live to watch
bruh…. what made you think that
@@madisynL bffr. Anyone on the outside looking in would most likely assume that.
@@Starcrossedslv And why would anybody assume that?
I'm not trying to be funny or anything but is the girl with the braids a man?
No lol
She don’t even look like a man💀
That’s kinda disrespectful
To answer your question instead of writing a -crying in yo feelings- comment. That is Tianna he is a man, and from what I know he is not trans. While I’m sure he wouldn’t mind being called a “she”.
Been trying
To figure that out for a while .. lmao
THIS WHAT I WATCH INSTEAD OF HOMEWORK
Period
P is not P if she wasnt a grandma typer
🤣🤣🤣🤣❤❤❤❤