Black Talk Documentary
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2011
- This15-minute documentary will highlight the issue of black vernacular in the African American community focusing heavily on the history of ebonics, the media's influence on it and how it's been preserved throughout the years.
Produced By: L.Wilson and C. Glover
Videography: C. Glover
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Fantastic job.
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Interesting. I have always noticed this with black people in America. Here in Canada though, the black people do not speak like that. They speak 'Canadian'. Also, we don't refer to black people as 'African canadian', they are just called Canadian
interesting so they don't speak differently?
thats actually really cool
Buy Canadian do you mean the original Canadian language prior to European domination? Or do you mean the language of the killers of that area of North America the French?
We aint AFRICAN.
Thanks for Recognizing
They confused us to think we are Africa.With some Slave Trade Story
That didn't HAPPEN...
None of our Grandparents heard of African Grandparents or SLAVERY
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@Marvin Zimmerman I'm not AFRICAN. I know my family history. All AMERICAN
If you live in a predominantly black area , you would eventually talk like that regardless of race. Put a white child into black neighborhoods and he will grows up talking like that
Facts. This video makes no since. Don’t matter how you talk in America. People that don’t speak English at all come up America and get a job with zero proven English.
@@904alexthegreat "No Sense", not since as in "since 1950". You are product I see.
Classic Yeah typo. Also who cares. As long as you get the point
@@904alexthegreat I care and you are okay with ignorance, this is why America is the state it is in now.
@@EricBrownBey You are spellchecking Mr Binder but you didn’t proofread your responses because you left a word out of both of your replies.
“Ain’t or Isn’t”
Dude I’m white and even I say ain’t.
The truth is a lot of white people think that many black people are not intelligent enough to grasp the proper use of grammar. I think a lot of us grow up around black people at home and in our environment who speak black english and it becomes ingrained in us. Correct grammar has to be taught to a child as they learn to talk. It has to be used daily or else you will talk like everyone else around you. It wasn’t taught in my household and none of my friends growing up used it either. I learned proper English in school but never really put it into practice on a regular basis. Now when I’m in a business setting and need to use correct grammar, I can, but even then sometimes incorrect grammar will slip out . That’s why I say it needs to be used daily it’s hard to turn on and off. My pet peeve is when I see black college kids continue to use the broken down black English for fear of sounding white among their peers. I agree with the young lady in this video who said using correct grammar is not sounding white it’s sounding educated.
If I don't pronounce a word correctly I'll usually misspell it.
"Are you superior than me?".....oh my lord......
EXACTLY. It makes them sound SO damn dumb!
She said there are words in books she doesn't understand...That's why the KINDLE is so great. It's got a built in dictionary and you can just highlight it and the definition pops up. I use it all the time when I read old books which use words no longer in use.
What's the song at end of the video ?
great job by the way
Go Duresny! I used to code switch between family and school (black London UK 1970s). I intrinsically understood that my home accent was NOT viable currency for effective engagement with society.
"We juss towk da way we towk"
True dat!
Right an ion een much care what dey have ta say🤷🏾♂️
LOL
I see people who are genuinely trying to understand black people's culture, and I see people on here wanting to feed their racist mind with more racist ideas,entertaining themselves. Understanding the historical significance of why black people speak the way they do, can be easily researched. I solely agree upon the topic of black people speaking standard English with those who don't speak or understand black dialect in business settings and public when talking with non dialect speakers. But it's ok to talk black dialect English with a person who speaks the dialect, and you and that person or person's are in agreement to do so.
The problem occurs when you don't have the ability to speak or comprehend standard English. This can be for many reasons. Like for example it is discouraged by other black people. When you try to speak it you are told that you are trying to sound white. This in a sense cripples the black community by enforcing the idea that if you learn to speak standard English in an educated, articulate and intelligent way, you are selling out. You are a traitor. As a result some black people don't develop there ability to speak and write standard English and fall behind.
I'm a linguist who came here to get materials on ebonics assignment, my first language isn’t English. This is so interesting.
@@illosionmouneen2468 please look up Dr. Thomas Sowell’s “The Origins of Black history”. It’s around a 2 hours long (very well researched) documentary that goes to the the beginning of it all. It’ll surprise you! (Spoiler alert… it wasn’t from African descent)
Take care. Hope all is well.❤
Did the girl @ 1:55 later become a TV judge????? I think I recognize the voice!
As a linguist, may I just say that it’s sad to see people being confused by It's existence and dubbing it improper.
It’s a dialect, it originated from creole, it has some of the african language's grammatical structure along with English vocabulary. It’s definitely a dialect and it’s awesome and it’s not improper language when it’s normalised within a community. People calling it something else is clearly ignorant and racist.
Thank you!!!
5:13 Jonathan Kozol also has a solid book on education called 'Savage Inequalities'
What The hell is this. They speak as they can. Leave em alone
lol.. ''who you BEES with''
"white girl.. But she's black? " 🖤🌻
“Personally they don’t care “🤷🏽♀️ u got that right lik sis❤️
"I wouldn't axe"
Lol
The worst is when you hear white people speaking in ebonics. I personally was the ONLY white kid growing up at my school in Oakland, it was all black kids and Asians and I still learned how to speak correctly. CAUSE I READ!
King Chibot It's not called "proper", it's called Standard American English. It's a dialect. African American Vernacular English is just as much English as Standard American English. You don't say that speaking British, Scottish or Australian is broken, so why should you say so for AAVE? It has its own grammar, vocabulary and pronunciation and it's own history of origin. JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER ENGLISH DIALECTS. Stop denoting the value of a dialect based off of the people speaking it.
AAVE is not a language of its own, it's a copy-cat language of English, spoken improperly.
AAVE is inconsistent. For example, in a sentence, where some people use the word "has," others say "have." Most people don't know how to properly conjugate verbs, and we have a plethora of pronunciations for different words.
AAVE is the inarticulate and improper version of English. If we blacks want our own language, we need to start from scratch instead of messing up someone else's language!
A halfrican guy axed a black guy to spell breakfast, he spelled it thus: *Breffus.*
Ask any black person who speaks with a *blackcent* to spell the word *"BREAKFAST.*
Wow, so your saying blacks don't read? I am black and I read ,racist fool! So many whites being dickheads in the comments. It is annoying !
Best to speak in a way which brings respect within the majority. There is a time and place to speak the way you want when with family and friends.
Pretty badly organized documentary with many false correlations and such. The spoken word artist was particularly tedious.
Yeah, that """artist""" made me want to jump off a fucking bridge. Cringe.
Jamara Geechie Newell fo reelz foo.
the spoken word artist got on my nervessss i hate Black ppl that pride themselves on speaking “proper English” or “talking educated”. jus another way to demonize ebonics n project they self-hate onto other Black ppl.
She was annoying the hell out me.
This is interesting, in that black vernacular may be as much of an "accent" type of thing based on upbringing and regional factors. For example, my mother has been in this country for much longer than she lived in the Philippines, is a college graduate from the Philippines, fluent in English, yet still to this day carries the accent and sometimes uses the Filipino sentences structures while speaking english. "Lazy and Illiterate" is a harsh blanket term.
Who is the girl at 1:53?
When was this documentary made?
riamykeil ~ Sounds like it was made 15 minutes after slavery ended.
@@phairplaigh That wasn’t even funny.Why would you joke about slavery????
I think the early 2000s.
Who is the short haired black woman that stands alone? Incredible lady from this view...
Words aside it seems that the accent does not change.
What up doe!
This is poorly done. First of all, the audio is bad. It does help me understand that African Americans have varying views of Ebonics, but it doesn't leave us with the thought that Ebonics is a legitimate structured dialect and that Anglo-Americans should learn something about it. This video paints Black students as irresponsible. The highly educated teacher and the rapper who code switch should be at the conclusion.
Because a black person made it, it shouldn't be surprised that it's incomprehensible.
y'all need to quit
Because ebonics is NOT "a legitimate structured dialect" at all.
We are not Africans, we're simply Americans. Never was taken from Africa, or never was in Africa
Yudah El where you skin color come from? Groenland okok
@@yudahel8521 Native Americans don't claim your black ass.
Dude, you're wrong. Africans look just like us. The "starving African" commercials we saw growing up is not what represents all of Africa. Africa is a continent of 54 countries. There's nothing homogeneous about them/us. I see you have dreads. You know Africans wore dreads? And braids and afros? Those are our people, man. Love yourself.
@@yudahel8521 I mean you descended from them so I guess your ugly too. Your afraid to call yourself black. I know your not African. But, your African- American. Get it right. You are descended from them
12:33 I'm from Brazil and I think that woman speaks so cool. It's pleasant to me she speaking.
@Blacks Love Oppression Culture I didn't get you. Did I say something disapproving ?
It seems like a choice. Black people aren't taught it in school, so it's not institutional. My ancestors have been in the country half or even a third of the amount of time as most black people and I don't speak in is quasi-German. I'm not sure the idea of it coming from Africa works out. Wikipedia says it's a type of Creole. I don't see how "I be at the park." shows that being at the park will be in the future, the past or the present. This is a crucial thing for language. Time designation is required everywhere in the modern world. From my speech, the pronunciation differences are ok, but "We be having surgery." is not. In general, the whole thing sounds uneducated and childish and intentional. Be yourself, but communicate will people on an equal basis. The grammar check is pointing out the "errors" in "We be eating." It's almost a logical error. Communication has broken down.
Your parents teach you how to talk, not your parents. Why do you think it is uneducated or wrong to use different grammar than you do? "I be at the park" sounds like something perfectly reasonable for me to say, if "I be" means the same thing as "I will be". For example, phrases like "she a student" is used all the time in languages like russian. Are the russians who say that uneducated, childlish or dumb? No, because it is correct according to russian grammar. "I be at the park" or "she a student" is correct according to African American Vernacular english.
Jason West It's institutional because instructors/teachers in too many situations not only don't try to correct the verbiage, many speak it themselves - or "theyselves"...
Hey "I be at the park" means "I usually am at the park" or "I have a tendency or habit of being at the park on a regular basis" its just a way to convey that sort of information in one word.
you are rude calling my people uneducated. Go earn yourself some respect .
In Alabama southern dialect largely resembles this
And I thought I was the only one who noticed this. Curious...
I be wondering why no job after job applications and no employments.
I hear words I don't know all the time. doesn't mean I can't read.
dialects are very interesting this kind of resembles my dialect of Southern american english we use words like you is and ain't and y'all all the time we even might even say they is
That's pretty much where it came from. Areas of very low education and it just spread. Now it's basically a language evolving into something nobody can understand....and then wonder why it's hard to get hired.
Then you wonder why southern states are so poor and the education system in the south is as well.
just be you don't follow anyone else.
They intentionnally avoided to caption her name... Who is the short haired pretty girl with all that heart?
I think a language is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing a person has at his/her disposal. Being one of 7 billion people on the planet makes it possible to communicate ideas with others of your kind, and that is an amazing tool. For example, look at Stephen Hawking whose body has been unable to function for decades, yet he has lived a long fulfilling life at the very least by communicating with others. And language is part of us, psychologically. Just using the language changes how people think. I hope I don't offend anyone when I say this, and I have absolutely no intention of doing that, but here's what I think about the language that black people use, referred to as AAVE, and why i think it shouldn't be used. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but please hear me out.
1) it limits their creative mind because of lack of words in AAVE's vocabulary.
2) it limits their skills of using the proper English language by not having the ready to use proper English vocabulary at their disposal at all times.
3) it makes it hard to apply themselves in proper English-speaking society.
4) it makes them collaborate and work with only others of their kind, separating from everyone else.
5) it limits their job opportunities.
6) it makes it difficult to express themselves in ways that others understand, leading to psychological troubles and depression. I'm sure there are some AAVE-speaking therapists who can help, but do you think there are many of them? I would imagine most therapists in north america speak proper english only.
7) it corrodes black culture with willful ignorance and shuts the culture off from the rest of society, like North Korea walled itself off from the rest of the world.
8) using AAVE with their kids makes it difficult for them to learn proper English, especially because of black-black shaming associated with doing so.
9) a lot of kids of AAVE-speaking parents don't get educated enough to reach their full potential, and end up struggling in life.
10) those kids are often seen as outcasts of society, not because of racism but just because they act like it, and with pride.
11) when their life is a mess and society isn't jumping at the opportunity to help them, they often turn to crime.
12) rappers/actors glorify the language through the media, and they often even glorify the idea of getting rich through crime and the criminal lifestyle, perpetuating the problem.
13) those who do become successful often do so by first learning and using the proper language. But they are often shamed as "not as black as others" by white people, or "too white" by other black people, where really the only distinction is their level of education and being articulate, which are essential tools in society and should be commended rather than shamed.
14) in my mind the only real justification of using AAVE is that it honors the heritage of the people as best it can, but is that really necessary? I honor my ancestors too, but times change and so does my language.
Interesting point. I think it should be defended and if it garnered the proper respect as other Creole and dialects I think publishing dictionaries or grammar books for writing and spelling would be nice. But honestly, I think most people who use aave won't write how they speak in formal settings as long as they figure early on with formal training that there's a way to write and speak formally. They learn to be bidialectal and code switch. And of course I believe its important to learn standard english
For your point number 4) due to aave being use in pop culture and also other races or groups being raised in certain areas, especially modern day meme culture. It is very possible for other races to pick up this dialect so you could potentailly collaborate with "others".
And for myself personally, I use aave for its grammatical features at best so my vocabulary will not be 'affected'. Even if this was such a concern, aave is merely a dialect at best not a language so it can use standard English words complex or not to convey ideas. For example if the vocab is a concern it can adopt loan words as many other languages including English does when the native vocab won't suffice.
Later but not least I wanted to adress your point number 6.
As I stated earlier aave is a dialect "at best" there are many times when I have used aave features with white or other groups who would supposedly not understand me but in fact they had no trouble to understand me. Now honestly the "slang" aspect of aave is questionable but if one was to used these terms in a setting where one is meant to be understood like seeking help with mental or personal issues, I don't see why the professional couldn't ask what a particular phrase meant.
You're speaking from a good place, but at some point we have to be honest. A lot of things are seen as dumb because of who we are and there's nothing that we can do that'll ever change that. We can change over and over and over. We can talk like them, walk like them, write like them, eat like them, try to make our hair look like theirs, make our skin look like them and anything possible to become as "American" as possible and the attitudes won't change. The problem is not what we do. It's who we are. This is proven by the fact that anytime non blacks do things that we're known for, they're seen as cool, trendy, creative, etc. Look at how rap was seen as the scum of music, but when Eminem came along, then people finally respected it. Look at how twerking was ratchet and hoe-ish, but now when white girls do it, it's sexy. There's a pattern here
I'd like to respond to your points. Like I said, it sounds like you have good intentions, I'm just giving you my perspective on this
1) Our creative mind is certainly NOT limited from a lack of words. Our music should be more than enough proof of that. Especially Hip Hop. Okay, some are more lyrical than others lol but rap is often performed in whatever accent the rapper already has and usually has certain words or phrases that come from their hometown. A good example of this is TI. He is certainly not speaking this "proper English" (I don't like this phrase, but I'll use it for clarity). Despite this, his music is rhythmically creative and lyrically creative. Hip Hop is essentially poetry using our accents and slang. I think that's pretty creative. Not to mention, there's a lot of Black authors, movie directors, etc.
2) Using AAVE doesn't limit our skill in proper English any more than a bilingual Hispanic speaking Spanish at home. In our case, it's actually easier than anyone else because it's English with a different accent and expression. Our community having issues with proper English skills are not caused by us speaking with an accent. It's caused by the lack of education. If someone is educated on reading and writing, they'll have those skills, but again, education is not as available to some of us. Education is more of a privilege than people realize (and a lot of Black people take this for granted too, but I'm just making a point)
3) This has truth to it, but again, this is more so to do with everything discussed in point 2. It's not a matter of speaking how we speak. It's a matter of not being educated.
4) Not true. If you know when it's appropriate to speak certain ways, you don't have this problem. For example, if I'm with Black people who speak AAVE, I know to communicate that way because trying to speak to them like I would speak to a white audience would be as foreign to them as me speaking in AAVE to white people.
5) See point 4. It's the same thing
6) I will tell you from my view as a Black man, who grew up in a military household/surburban setting, raised by parents from semi-suburban households from the South, and who just earned my associate's degree. MOST Black people who have degrees, highly respected careers, etc. are not going to speak the same way at work and at home. My mom sounds like "country bumpkin" at home lol, but on the phone, you would probably swear she was a white woman from the city. This is what we call "code-switching" and it's a respected skill to have for those of us who know what it's like having to fight between being competitive in a society that pretty much demands assimilation from everyone and also having to remember who we are and where we came from so that we don't give other Blacks the impression that we view them as beneath us.
7) Speaking AAVE is not "willful ignorance". I don't even think that phrase makes sense given the definition of ignorant, which is to not know any better because of a lack of experience. Like I said, it's more like an accent than anything. It's not like we're just making up words. The words are English. If you don't know the history of it, you should look into it. Long story short, how we sound is a product of our history of being mostly amongst ourselves for about 400 years and counting. It started off as slaves not knowing any English and having to pick up by ear, so they would only use the words that were most important (similar to how immigrants sound when they hardly know English). The next step was the slaves putting words in the order that made sense to them bc in their various languages, they had different grammar structure and being unable to speak it, they had to try and make English make sense for themselves. Then, when they were freed from slavery, segregation isolated them from white communities and still to this day, most ethnic groups live in neighborhoods amongst fellow members of the same group. Again, how we speak is not "willful ignorance" it's a product of our history and current situations.
8) There is truth to this as well. I remember being seen as some "other" form of Black to Black people and non-Black people, but this issue was caused because some Black people saw AAVE the same way you see it and encouraged their kids to avoid sounding like that. This led to some Blacks having an elitist attitude to other Blacks because they learned "proper English". My dad encouraged me to learn how to function on both sides, and I thank him for that because it helps a lot.
9) WRONG. Absolutely wrong. As you saw in number 6, I am a perfect example of someone who's learned to do both. My mom has a bachelor's degree. One of my aunts got a master's degree and my other aunt's a doctor and none of us speak "proper English" 24/7. My dad didn't go to college, but he makes pretty decent money and he's smart because he took the time to research anything he wants to know.
10) Are you saying Black people choose to be outcasts? I hope not. If you mean us choosing to speak however we feel and not feeling ashamed of it, yes, we do that. I do not think there is anything wrong with having an accent, but that's just my opinion.
11) This point is very irrelevant at best, but I'd argue it's pretty ignorant that you would think this is why people turn to crime. A lot of Black people have come from dysfunctional households. The way Black Americans are raised is kinda similar to Caribbeans, but the problem is that a lot of Black Americans enforce things like respecting authority and getting out of the hood by any means necessary, not necessarily education. As you see from my family, we value and encourage education. I'm not some special case. This is the case for a lot of us, but there's also a lot of us who embody the former values I mentioned and no statistical data will accurately describe what's going on in that aspect of our lives. btw Black people have never gained much from any government or societal aid because a lot of these aids will actually go to non Black minorities. I know that's not the story that FOX News will tell you, but that's the truth. Most of the time, if you're Black and broke, you're just broke and assed out. You don't get jobs easier for being Black. You don't get in schools easier for being Black. All of that stuff you hear is bullshit. I know because I'm Black and most of the time I'm under the pressure to "represent my race" to these people. Any time I mess up, it's expected because I'm Black. If I do anything well, I'm seen as some exceptional "good Black guy".
12) Hip Hop has a lot of bullshit, but you gotta understand that it's financially backed by rich white men. Let that sink in for a moment. Rich white men are promoting negative examples at a much higher rate than those of substance. Granted, we don't have to participate in the problem. However, that's not related to AAVE. It is an issue and I agree with this argument, but this is a different discussion.
13) I addressed this too. I agree that we need to learn how to speak in different settings. Just like how immigrants know that they have to at least know minimal English to get by in the workplace, we have to know that we need to know how to speak to people outside of our community. However, I don't agree that speaking AAVE at home or amongst ourselves somehow makes us less intelligent. I simply don't agree with that because I'm living proof of it. If we learn the way to speak in business settings vs casual settings, then I think everything is good. To say we need to be rid of it is to erase a part of us and our history.
14) This is more than enough reason to keep it around. I'm not saying all AAs have to speak it. If there are Black people who prefer to speak the "proper English", by all means, they should do it. Just understand that as I said earlier, it's not about how we talk, how we dress, etc. None of that shit matters to anyone else. We're all Black at the end of the day and because of that we'll always be seen as the other because compared to the other people in the world, our features stand out the most. We're the only ones who get as dark as we do, have hair like ours, etc. Our history is tainted with colonialism and racism which is why people see us the way they do. It's not even intentional. It's subconscious. They literally can't control it because they don't even know it's there for the most part. Whether you're Black or not, you seem like someone who has good intentions and is generally a good person, but even you should take more time to educate yourself about us. There's a lot more about what it means to be Black that you're going to have to educate yourself on if you want to know why we have chosen to not completely assimilate into America in all facets of life.
He said "who you be with "
Its not just that, there is also this (Umma get my shit outa my motha fuckin locker instead of I'm going to get my things out of my locker).
That woman was spitting
6:09
It's been heavily documented that some black people began talking like 'dis' to rebel against the use of proper English.
Not it is not an act of "rebellion".
Even if that were once true the justification and rational for speaking that way is outdated. Nice try though.
Black r the best , and their accent is the best
To have the own thong is a part of the ppl. The wiser decision is to be using it 'among' same ppl. There's always the right place for everything. For everyone. It's the same rule for all of us.
It's not hard to understand if you grow up around black people.
You'll never find a hairline like mine blah blah blah
Our ancestors, who were stripped of their native language, parents and grandparents passed our african dialects down to us. That is why it is still heard in our voices today.
All people are watched and listened to when they speak. Always. EVERYONE!!
If a person says, you is, we was, they book, mines, axe, they truly sound like they never went to school in my book.,
It's way more cool to sound educated when speaking, to possess a vast vocabulary, and to always work on self improvement .
When anyone whose first language is English, and has horrific English language skills, the first thing I think is this person probably won't be able teach me anything. If they can't speak English correctly, chances are they weren't listening at all in school. It's sad, but that's how I feel.
The most important issue in life to me is my children's education. My kids are brown, I'm not the racist white, I married a Dominican beauty. But if my kids walked into an interview speaking gibberish, no chance in hell of employment.
Companies want to be represented professionally and correctly! My whole purpose is to support their education.
There's no African dialect amongst Americans. We were never in africa
Damn you guys have an excuse for everything.. Oh I'm sorry I should probably get on your level here. Everything means "aythang." Hope that cleared things up a bit for you.
The Spook Who Sat By The Door You clowns don't even know the difference between Ebonics and Dialect.
8 8G ~ Name just one of your enslaved "ancestors".... Take all the time you need.
As someone who's not Black or American but is interested in linguistics I found this video very sad. There's so much uncritical acceptance of the idea that African American English is incorrect and inferior, including by the filmmakers. I hope things improve for speakers of this dialect.
So if you're capable of stringing together actual legible sentences then why do so many of you choose to speak ebonics? Blacks seem to get upset when other races look down on them but the first thing I think when I hear someone speaking ghetto slang is that I'm superior to them. Don't you think blacks should at least try to sound intelligent if they're so concerned about people perceiveing them as stupid? Just food for thought I don't actually expect anyone to learn anything from this. My hope in humanity died decades ago
Dingus Khan "Ebonics" is code talking. It's part of the street culture, not meant for outsiders to understand. Most outsiders confuse "Ebonics" with "improper English". "Improper English" is an issue amongst most poor American communities.
Most of us code switch. But to be honest with you. There are times when I become either too tired or passionate etc. and resort to this type of speech. So the consequences are that we will get looked down on. What's funny is that I learned how to speak "proper" first, then I learned "ebonics" To fit in. Now I some situations I would rather use ebonics but I know when I have to switch. But sometimes I be to tired to switch.
Do you think you're superior to people from Louisiana? Or Texas? What about Irish people? Scots?
Where exactly are you from that you seem to be so convinced that you speak the one and only "proper" English?
If you're American, there's still plenty of moronic English people that would say that YOU speak a bastardised version of English full of archaic expressions, words borrowed from a host of other languages, dumbed-down spelling, and with an accent that is a disgrace to "proper English". They might indeed argue that you and your fellow countrymen are too stupid to learn correct spelling, and to speak the Queen's English, and that the way they speak makes them superior to you.
Your bad argument makes you sound just as stupid as those people
@@jamiegatson3378 I'm choctaw Indian. But that doesn't me I have to conduct myself like a savage. If they won't take the time to learn proper English then I _AM_ better than them. People who still total talk like toddlers even when they're grown. Yes. I am better.
@@captainbuzzkill4658 your not better. I think its fine to talk like that outside of work which is what they are doing if u like it or not. Just because you talk proper doesn't make you better . Just shows that is how you are raise. And, how do you know they didn't take time to learn proper English. Maybe they did ,it was just hard for them. Doesn't make them dumb. Your no better than them. You look like a nerd compared to them. And, they are like these cool guys hanging out as friends. I think the blaccent is cool. There just hanging out and talking slang, and somewhat you have a problem. How about you go educated yourself on how to be not be stuck up . They are not talking like toddlers. Your the one who is the problem. Its not that hard to understand .If your so smart why can't you understand. I easily can follow along with what they are saying . Unlike you guys. Your not superior to anyone . Your just using that for a racist excuse. How would you like it if I bash your Indian culture . Are you a Black Indian? If that is your totally mess up .
It’s not they have trouble pronouncing the correct words it’s that they won’t
Parents, teach your children well. ♥️
Speaking correct English is the right thing to do it's not a white thing not a black thing not a Mexican thing not a Irish think not a German thing not a English thing not a Korean thing not a Muslim thing not a Russian thing not a Japanese thing but a human thing to speak correct English it's better for you your family and everybody around you
Great documentary. Thanks so much. We are doing a debate about use of Ebonics in the classroom. I'd love to show the video of the spoken word artist in this film. Can you give me her name and possibly a link or way to obtain the entire poem? I need it by May 26!!! We are in a Maymester class at UNC Chapel Hill. Thanks!
editing in this video was atrocious
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Half way through am still waiting for the IQ issue to be mentioned, am guessing it won't.
I think I like Ebonics. I think it is cool used in music and maybe around close friends and family members. People speak with Valley girl accent, Southern drawl, and thick regional accents. I love accents
I see this as a huge social issue. We marginalize African-Americas for speaking in what is essentially a dialect, but we don't give the same treatment to someone from Britain or Australia. I think this is part of our long legacy of racism.
The english from Britain is the original english, it has a lot of similarities with Ameircan english and is therefore understandable to white americans, same with Australian. But AAVE is a dialect that the rest of us dont understand, so of course we marginalize. Would you continue to speak to someone whom you dont understand? Every country has a national language that is taught in school from early on in hopes that people will understand each other and work well with each other. Whoever wants to ignore this and only use their cultural language instead ends up hurting themselves in the long term because their skills and abilities no longer apply to the rest of society, and whose fault is that?-not mine. I dont have time to learn everybody's languages, i only have time to learn the one i need to know how to speak in the country where i reside, and hopefully speak it well enough so as to not be misunderstood about everything i try to convey, or be ridiculed like an incoherent idiot.
You didn't even watch the full video, did you? If you did, you would notice that educated articulate black people are negatively regarded as "more white", or "not as black" by other black people, which is a sad consequence of this dialect and the black-only culture it comes from, which segregates black people from white. It's not white people that are doing it, so please don't talk about "our long legacy of racism".
I think you're right that a person would be better off being able to speak in standard American English. As a description of what would be most beneficial to this person I think that's self evidently the case. The problem is it's essentially required for certain people, born in the U.S, to learn to speak in two different ways due to no fault of their own. While people like us enjoy an advantage due to no virtue of our own. We're benefiting from the circumstances of our birth, inevitable as that is, it makes sense to try to mitigate as much as possible.
As far as not being able to understand people who speak AAVE, I have never met any native-born English speaker I couldn't understand. (I know this video suggests that happens, but I don't think that's the main story by any stretch) Of course I have to be somewhat agnostic as to whether this happens; but I have my doubts. I think the main problem is people seeing speakers of this dialect as less educated; which leads to people who only speak in this dialect having a harder time getting employed. (That last part is obviously speculation, but I think you would agree, highly plausible speculation.)
Lastly, yes, I watched the whole video. Do you think my comment was meant to deny the reality of black racism? Because my comment made no suggestion to that effect. Do you think that black racism is the primary problem here? If so that's almost a disqualifying move.
Give it a rest, ahri. Just speak normal, correct English. It's not that difficult. 🙄
i have a little youth rehabilitation center in Washington State that houses 20 youths from the Chicago area, part of the curriculum aside from reading writing and arithmetic is speech. Most kids are here for 18 months but their release date is kept secret, all they know coming in is that they don't leave until they graduate high school (not GED) and they are offered early release if they are excepted in a list of accredited collages. its not a jail, its a rehabilitation center.
"You know what I'm saying." is a confirmation phrase like "okay." This means that they sometimes don't understand themselves. This is sad because this means that their communication skills are so poor that they need assurance that the recipient understood the lack of enunciation.
Uh, no. It's seeking reassurance that the other person understands from the speaker's perspective (emotions/thoughts etc). But I see what you were trying to do 🤡
People do this in every language. But thanks for demonstrating that prejudice against this dialect is based on ignorance
Kudos to Ms. Ford for stepping up and being a parent! With women like her, there is hope.
When you speak you should learn how to speak correctly but when you are with your friends speak how you want to
Why?
Correct, michael!
naw wha im sayin doe. you feel me doe. that how we be doe. be racist n shit doe fo teal fo real.
No they are speaking Gullah geechee creole English. Why are you pushing fake news. They don’t even know they are speaking creol English native to eastern South Carolina North Carolina Florida and gorgia central Africa and central Africa.
In the business and corporate world the northern "proper" accent is most desired. The Southern accent is actually more old English, Irish, etc. pronunciation, but is frowned upon also in the modern business world. Notice you don't see strong southern accents hosting news or broadcasting today. You don't even see much of it in local news down south. Ebonics won't be mainstream in the modern business world either. Not sure I'm buying into accent switching, if you as a child pick up the dialect, you will either have to train yourself out of it to be understood in the modern world or learn to use proper pronunciation to be understandable to most people and I think that's more difficult than people are saying. There's a reason Don Lemon host CNN, very articulate.
For many years, the BBC in Britain pretty much only allowed Received Pronunciation accents on the air. Any sort of regional dialect was frowned upon and seen as inferior.
They moved away from this idea when they realised how fucking stupid it actually is, and these days, you will hear a wide range of accents from all over Britain on BBC programming.
Maybe Americans are just behind the times in thinking that any one accent is "proper".... It's an outdated and completely flawed way of thinking about language.
By the way, just to be clear - i'm NOT saying that someone with a really strong accent and who use loads of slang (like the kid in the white t-shirt) should be reading the news in the US, just like the BBC don't put on people with such strong accents that they would be unintelligible to large portions of the country. But to say that there is just one "proper" way of speaking English that can be permitted in broadcasting or reading the news is just, simply, wrong.
btw im from Alabama
Do you have a banjo on your knee and a girl named susannah?
Why is "ebonics" an accepted term? It sounds like a sneaky way to insult the way black people talk by making a word that combines "ebony" and "phonics"--two words that sort of mock both the appearance and speech of African americans. They may as well call it a "blaccent". Very typical kind of American attempt at inventing polite terminology, but it just ends up being tone-deaf and insulting. The current form of AAVE (another awkward name) is actually a watered down creole of English. In some cases (Gullah, New Orleans) it's still a more pure creole of English. The most respectful name would be to call it America Creole (just as the variety of English in Jamaica is called Jamaican creole, and the variety of French in Haiti is called Haitian creole, etc.). It's not super accurate anymore as AAVE is watered down by exposure to "standard" English. But the elements that remain are very typical of all creole languages. Also calling it American creole puts it in a linguistic context instead of just connecting it to skin color.
Martin Szekaly yeah that's true but Americans don't acknowledge it at as a creole or a dialect and they just see it as slang which completely ignores the distinct grammar rules that it has that standard English doesn't.
Or we could just call it "Bad English."
I agree that "aave" is way too awkward. And if it really does qualify as a creole it would be nice to call it American creole but. I imagine it would be confused with the french creole used in Louisiana.
I think that's why the term "ebonics" is hardly ever used anymore. I don't think it was ever intended to sound insulting (though, I confess, I have no idea of the history of the term), but I agree that it sounds pretty tone-deaf these days.
I don't particularly like the term AAVE either. I agreee that it sounds a bit awkward and clunky.
However, although I really like your description of it as a "watered down creole", I'm not sure about your argument for the name "American Creole". I'm not a linguist and not qualified to definitively say one way or the other, but I think that at this stage AAVE has become so "watered down" by standard English that it wouldn't be quite right to call it "American Creole" either.
In short, I have no idea what the best name is. To be honest, I would probably just go with African-American English, in the same way I would say "Scottish English", "Irish English" "South African English" "Australian English" and so on. It seems the most simple solution to me.
@@anonymousperson1327 That works!
OK? Someone just deleted all my comments.
Will B ~ datshowdeydoroundherr
“You know what I’m saying, you know what I’m saying?” What up homey? What it be like? I think I’m getting the hang of Ebonics.
@Question Everything ikr. It's extremely annoying
@@northernlight9700 why ...
Watchin this 2019. I'm Namibian, and I love Afro-American English. It sounds just amazing 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
People should focus more on speaking in an educated, articulate and intelligent manner than whether you sound white or black. Language should not be used to divide us. If you choose to speak standard English as it has been taught in schools for hundreds of years, you should not be considered a sell out or that you are talking white. This does the black community a disservice. Black people are holding each other back by insisting that if you choose to adopt standard English as the way you talk normally you are trying to talk white. Standard English is neither white nor black. It should not be used to be divisive. It is just standard English and should be used by all. It is the form of English that is used to write laws and in politics. It plays a very important role in society. Your ability to speak in an articulate, educated and intelligent manner can give people an indication of your level of intellect. It is required for most people dealing with the public and representing businesses and companies that they communicate in a way that will not be interpreted as uneducated, inarticulate or lacking of intelligence. For example a law firm does not want someone on the phone representing them that isn't adept at standard English.
People can speak however way they want to. People always picking on blacks about everything .
@@jamiegatson3378 Yes even correctly. Either 'however' without 'way' or 'whatever way'. And actually, 'whichever way' is really the best choice.
"Talking white" Is absolutely an accurate way to describe it. It became the standard because it was the type of English spoken by white people (specifically by elite white Northerners)
@@oliverwilson11 You forgot Italian, French, German, Portuguese,Swedish, Celtic, Gaelic, Polish etc. etc. etc. Languages spoken by everyone, all over the world. Language is not defined by color. Anyone can speak them, and everyone from everywhere in the world speaks different languages regardlessof their color or from where they descended. Some speak 3 or 4 different languages. Languages are not defined by color, more they are influenced by proximity.
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In all the major languages you listed, people speak differently based on social class, gender, age and often race even if they live and have always lived in the same place and natively speak the same language.
White vs Black American English is a particularly pronounced example of a race based difference in dialect between native speakers of the same language in the same place. But such differences exist to some extent in many places.
I'm talking about the first way of speaking that people learn, I'm not saying people can't learn new languages or dialects or accents in addition to their first one.
Or we could just talk like we actually evolved into a more intelligent species than talking like we haven't evolved in the past million years
Your shitty sentence construction makes this comment EXTRA ironic.
If you say “ I’m gonna axe em” wouldn’t that be terroristic threatening?
second!
There's nothing wrong with AAVE/Ebonics/black English. Individuals should just learn to speak both AAVE and standard English.
Everyone knows how to speak standard english
Sorry but most intelligent people can't speak like black people. Sorry correct that, black Americans.
I refuse to talk like an uneducated welfare queen.
@@usarmyisthebest9193, it would be better than speaking like an 18 year old MGTOW...
Why would someone ever admit to that, much less use it as a screen name?
You might as well just change it to "I'm Trash and Can't Get Laid" 🤷♂️
@@usarmyisthebest9193, also literally no one is asking to to use AAVE. It would be even cringier than your stupid name if you did...
We speak another language. Our children should be taught just like other students who do not speak 'English' at home. Respect it as such and the problems will decrease. Great video! Interesting topic.
@EuroPride, white Europeans have many languages, as well as a wide range of differing ways of speaking English, you fucking dolt!
@EuroPride yes she should be proud and you should respect that idiot.
Is the professor playing dim?
He wants us to believe people don’t instinctively speak differently at work... than they do with their friends...with their parents??
Ebonics is a dialect that is not spoken by every black person. Some choose to avoid it entirely in favor for Standard English. Possibly because they know that the majority of Americans don't speak it. If the total of African Americans in the U.S. equals 14% of all Americans, then those black Americans that speak Ebonics total less than 10% of all Americans. If you wish to communicate with the other 90% of Americans that don't speak Ebonics, Standard English is the dialect you need. It is also the dialect that you need for academics and employment. While some black people can code switch, some can not. In the inner cities some people have difficulty with Standard English and fail at pronouncing words and expressing phrases in a way that would be considered correct for standard English. They have difficulty reading and writing Standard English. Ebonics won't help them to graduate or to secure a good job. As most jobs require that you have proficiency at reading, writing and speaking the common dialect which is Standard English. So no matter how you feel about Ebonics, you should absolutely know Standard English and teach it to your children if you want them to have every advantage in life. To not do so will definitely put them at a disadvantage.
not one accentless person in the whole video
FIRST
AAVE is not a language of its own, it's a copy-cat language of English, spoken improperly.
AAVE is inconsistent. For example, in a sentence, where some people use the word "has," others say "have." Most people don't know how to properly conjugate verbs, and we have a plethora of pronunciations for different words.
AAVE is the inarticulate and improper version of English. If we blacks want our own language, we need to start from scratch instead of messing up someone else's language!
Which is all due to the fact it's not a dialect, it's bad English...
The reason why some people will conjugate differently is just their level of exposure to standard english. For example, one documentary gives and example of "he cook dinner yesterday" as being correct for ebonics. So, for me I would never say this way because I learned standard english first. But other people might. The features I keep for my ebonics are that "habitual be" "I be up in my room on the weekends", makes sense to me. And using "don't", instead of doesnt, for third person subjects. "She don't know how this work(s)"(not adding the s for other third person verbs) deleting "be" exept for first person. We partying tonight. We going shopping later. You going home after this. (All correct) I doing fine(incorrect ebonics). So some people don't follow all the rules and if you were to look on the Wikipedia page. Some examples that they give, I don't agree with. Hope that informs you some
So what is the "proper" way of speaking English? (Hint - there isn't one)
All dialects of English are "inconsistent". Even "proper" English (whatever you consider that to be) is inconsistent. Shakespearean English was inconsistent as fuck!
For a long time, only a received pronunciation English accent ("the queen's English") was considered "proper" English, despite the fact that it was only ever (and still is) spoken by a tiny minority of English people. For an even longer time, ALL American English was considered "bad English" (and there are still some people who believe that today). The idea that there is a "proper" way of speaking English is horribly outdated and a fundamentally flawed way of looking at language.
In no small part due to colonisation and slavery (as well as a host of other reasons), English is one of the most flexible languages around, with a huge range of diverse ways of speaking it (arguably one of the few positive things to come out of colonisation). Unlike other languages (such as French), there is no council of academics who get to decide what "proper" English is, and the language is richer for it. The differences in the ways English can be spoken (and still understood) should be celebrated, not ridiculed or condemned.
I agree that AAVE is not a language of its own (it's a dialect). I can even see an argument for the necessity of code-switching in order to "get ahead". But the notion that black Americans should start their own language from scratch is utterly ridiculous.
There's nothing wrong with AAVE, just as there's nothing wrong with Scottish English, Irish English, Australian English, a Southern Drawl, Jamaican English etc etc.
How do you feel about Tut?
I'm not a native English speaker and I find it very difficult to understand it when I hear black Americans speak. It's just a shame for me that I don't know what they are talking about. I wish I could so we can be friends.
Africans in AMERICA have their way of talking, the school system and exams must incorporate it.
Standard american accent sounds much more appealing.
It's a lazy way of speaking.
How can you talk lazy 😂😂
That's a lazy way of thinking...
@@redeyejedi4400 normally
It’s an efficient and convenient way of speaking.
How??? You are-🤦🏿♀️
Speak in whatever way you like. However, if you apply for a job as a lecturer in a law school or an announcer on the nightly news and speak like that during your interview and you aren't selected, don't complain about "white privilege." If you talked like Barack Obama for your interview you would have had better results. I am Caucasian and highly educated, but if I were speaking Ebonics during my job interview, I wouldn't have been hired for my job public speaking job.
so your saying blacks aren't educated. Racist!!!!!!
@@jamiegatson3378 No, you misinterpreted what was said. I suspect that it would be futile to explain it to you. Michele and Barack Obama and millions of other African American people are living proof that what you said is incorrect. If I believed what you state, then I certainly wouldn't be entrusting my healthcare to African American medical doctors.
@@LoveFlatfootin1 Yes you are right. I am sorry.
@@jamiegatson3378
No they are wrong and they are (knowingly or not) being racist. Saying that racism is not a factor in the prestige of dialects is culturally and historically ignorant. The fact that AAVE speakers can gain respect by changing their accent is an example of racism, not evidence against racism.
Also Barrack Obama isn't a native AAVE speaker so he's not a good example.
I ain no' wuzz de prob u got wid 'bonics eizer. U b tellin dem ppl ter STFU 'fo' dey open dey mouf. Y? It aino hard ter 'stand wut dey sayen tho...
By the way I am from Russia and have never been to America. I listen to hip-hop and watch american TH-cam and I'm really keen on ebonics. Personally, I don't see any hard shit to understand black speech and have no idea why you people consider it so difficult to catch. I also consider "black english" as the more natural one. It sounds more smooth and in some cases better then standard english. It's like the difference between american and british english. The letter sounds more formal and more artificial. I personally hate it, especially the RP. (I know that almost nobody speaks RP but still. I use it as an example to show the most possible difference.)
Ebonics 4 life, yo!
Stop hating my people. I have pride in my race. My white race.
You mean “Blacks” not African American.
Black kids are mostly the same as other kids?
Some of them don't get the same treatment as others
Precisely because of the way they speak..
Some of my friends speak terribly but they do manage to go to school or work. I think it's RACIST.
Ebonics is the advanced English
Listen to some southern Whites and they sound black or the blacks sound southern
Slang is in the bible... Lol!!! Our bible....we kool.
lol... 2:42 ..."Strategy & tactics"... like black-talk is some carefully crafted creation. C'mon, it's just lazy and illiterate... plain & simple.
Actually the worst part is that since we're not allowed to notice it, teachers get hired who speak this way... so they haven't the knowlege or inclination to correct students. I had teachers in high school who spoke this way.
Actually, you are wrong. African-American Vernacular English is a complex and grammatical dialect of English that's been around for a long time. It's linguistically fascinating and actually has the ability to express some concepts that are difficult to express in Standard American English. It's no less legitimate than Irish English, for example.
prhiannon
Horsepucky.
It's a free country so everyone may speak as they please but... teachers should be required to speak English properly as a fit example to students.
Scraight up... knowutimsayin?
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When you envision future generations speaking this way... that can't possibly make you happy, can it?
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As you said... "WE'VE ALWAYS SPOKEN THIS WAY"... so the comparison to immigrants is a non-sequitur because Black English has become trans-generational.
"My solution is to let the *market* and not *people* decide how our we should use English"
The market IS people... and it has decided. You didn't notice?
Suppose your kid want's to be a lawyer. Would you curse him with having to un-learn the mode of speech he grew up with? Would he then be "uppity" if he did?
And where is proper English even more important than in law? In teaching, that's where. Are you prepared to condone _teachers_ using black talk? Institutionally passing on this handicap to not only your kids, but mine as well? Can you give me ONE reason I should be ok with that?
Stringfellow Hawke Yes, children should be able to speak the variety of English that allows them to access to more economic opportunities. Programs should therefore be put in place that EFFECTIVELY get students to where they need to be as far as speaking and understanding Mainstream American English. The programs that have shown to be the most effective at doing so are bilingual education modules which UTILIZE the students native dialect/language as a teaching tool. There is however nothing wrong with being bidialectical. AAVE is not 'lazy' nor is it a 'handicap' nor do speakers have anything to 'unlearn.' They simply have to learn something new. These assertions have prejudiced implications although you may not have intended it that way.
Just speak proper english not some broken variation of it
It’s ignorant lazy talk. Try finding a job taking in that manner. Children learn what they live.
Please look into the history of Black Ebonics/aave. It is not ignorant or lazy. It’s almost it’s own language with unique grammar rules among other things. White doesn’t equal right!! Looking down on Black people who speak in a way that you aren’t accustomed to is RACIST
It is lazy for you to not think. SMH🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♀️