Hey Ranton, I am glad that you like the game that much and the work I did on it. Let’s meet up in my school in Paris and make a video out of this. You will understand more what Pak Mei is. I am sure your community will love this.
Fax. All martial arts teach you different ways how to protect yourself but the best way of self defense is speed and cardio 👍🏾. The toughest muay thai and bjj coaches I know all stand by this rule lol
I invented a new martial art, where you just tank every hit, and all of the techniques are just grabbing your opponent by the face and throwing them headfirst into shit. I call it Yeet Kun Do.
@@MorrisseyMuse The fuck you on about even as a wing chun guy everything he said was true the only reason i even ever got it to work is because i also study american boxing, american kickboxing, muay thai, wrestling and so on. Everything he's said about traditional martial arts is true coming from a traditional artist. Most kung fu guys are delusional as can be and that's not an exaggeration.
I am from Hong Kong, and just wanna let you know that the pronunciation of "Sifu" instead of "Shifu" is because "Sifu" is in Cantonese but "Shifu" is in Mandarin, and a lot of old Chinese Kung Fu movies are filmed in Hong Kong so I guess that's why. In the game, I very very much appreciate that they perfectly pronounced "Sifu" in Cantonese style. Espeically the guy kneeling in front of Shawn before we start the 2nd boss fight.
Btw one more interesting fact: they however pronounced 武德 in Mandarin (Wu de) instead of Cantonese (Mo Duk), I think the most probable reason is Benjamin only knows the Cantonese of 師父 but not the Cantonese of 武德 Haha
I think it's pretty ignorant of him to say "just call the game Shifu." The fact that the devs got it right and he arrogantly thinks it should be called Shifu instead of Sifu is so ignorant.
@@timber_hearthian8499 I think he said it in a pretty casual manner though, not he really think the game should be called "Shifu" but just to express he don't know why it is called "Sifu" so I think it's OK :P
@@siralat well we only take his approach on calling out the wrong where it applies. So i guess he should be alright with it when we correct him as well
"Use it as a supplement" as a kung fu fan, this is pretty pog. A lot of people discount chinese styles entirely, but legendary fighters like Manson Gibson used kung fu... merged with kickboxing. He did kickboxing, TKD, and Northern Praying Mantis Kung Fu - and he claimed all 3 were essential to his style. Just merge it, it'll be cool and fun.
I like how Rantoni approaches any kind of Chinese "masters" with scepticism at first. Most foreigners would abandon their critical thinking when it comes to finding ancient mystic exotic masters and listen to their every word. Rantonio has seen monks do devious shit and he's way too jaded to be impressed with any self-proclaimed masters.
I get what Ranton said about the power trip thing. That's the problem with most preople calling themselves ot accepting the title "Master", who give people bad impressions. But there seems to be also some people with similar stories like this Benjamin who also never stopped their training with their own teachers and seem to get, that even they are never done training and learning and teach that to their own instructors, prior to giving them such a title.
@@Thareldis if you watch the whole documentary 1 by 1. His father is the one who instilled the principles from day 1. Imagine having someone who would take you to China to learn martial arts at the young age of 13. And ask your opinion on what you think real martial arts is… If that was the case (which yes, i agree it’s hard to believe…) I don’t find it so hard to believe that he just stuck it out, only if his father really was like that. I really do think he just became close with him. He even says he found the guy right as he was starting his school. It’s all about how your connections to ppl when your young, in my opinion. He seems like a man who was practiced abnegation for a long, long time. You can just see it in some ppl
@@Thareldis As someone who is aspiring to teach martial arts professionally, I've always felt that the term, "Instructor," is more appropriate than being called, "Master." I feel it keeps things respectful but without getting a big head about it. Then again, I personally feel weird when someone calls me by a term like, "Sir," even though I'm 29 lol I'm not against formalities and I use them all the time with those I'm showing proper respect to, I just feel kind of awkward being called something formal. I guess I just prefer it when people are casual with me and don't take me as being too serious and stern or insistent on titles and that kind of thing. That probably sounds weird, doesn't it?
@@loneronin6813 it’s not weird at all, that comes from your culture and it deserves to be respected to. In the West people have long ago done away with royalty and nobility and all that, no matter who you are you shake hands with people as equals etc. It’s just a difference in context.
My old krav maga instructor once told us in class that the best self defense is being able to run faster than your attacker. The reason for him telling us was to get into our heads that fighting back for self defense should be your last resort not your first.
The issue with Southern Styles is they "Specialise" and only practice their specific way of fighting. Ranton is right about using Wing Chun as a supplement to Sanda. If anything, Sanda should be the base, and every other school of Kung Fu serves as a supplement.
Sanda already incorporates moves from these softer arts, more so in the catching and sweeping than in the striking but might as well keep adding to it by practicing the individual styles.
honestly this is the best road for Kung Fu to take, aside form Buk Sing Choy Lee Fut and Shuai Jiao, there isn't much in the Kung Fu department to compete with other arts. TBF even with Muay Thai it wasn't until the 20s that a boxing style training was implemented, after which the art's effectiveness increased. Same with Sanda in the 70s. Kung Fu x Kickboxing style training is the way to go
@@MatthewTraceur any thought or experience with Hung Gar practitioners? It is at least on paper closely related to Choy Lee Fut as one of those so called "five family styles" that supposedly survived from southern Shaolin.
I've been playing Sifu, and I've noticed there are a bunch of clear grappling moves misrepresented as strikes in it. Like the whole "poking with all of your fingers strike" is there, and it's without a doubt supposed to be about pushing your palm behind your opponent's arm and dragging that arm back. That one finisher where the character pushes his or her left arm across the opponent's chest and kind of pseudo locks their arm and then slaps them in the face with the right hand; that's a demonstration of two basic throws, the first is one where you go forward and cut the opponent's balance at the waist, knocking them down to your left, and the second is where you do the most basic throw there is where you hug the head and throw the opponent over your own hip. Kind of a long preface, but what I'm trying to say is if Mr. Benjamin didn't understand the moves so much that he could mocap them in their actual contexts, it's very likely he doesn't spar. Or do any kind of resistive training at all.
Was just watching a video by Ramsey Dewey on that same phenomenon in other martial arts, I even remember the high level Kata in karate when I was a kid being filled with nonsensical strikes that make more sense as grapples, seems time has been unkind to traditionalist martial arts.
@@TheRazePlayz Yeah, I think it's pretty ironic that the forms that were meant to be mnemonic devices to remember a large amount of techniques have become something practitioners learn by heart and repeat ad nauseam without understanding what the movements mean.
That’s one thing I love about Dewey. He’s even showed practical applications of Tai Chi of all things. I believe Jesse Enkamp also talks a bit about grappling moves in Karate, and in a more personal note, my sifu (choy lay fut) does point out sections of forms that make a lot more sense as throws/grapples.
yeah, i really wish fighting focused games like sifu and absolver would incorporate more grappling techniques. as a wrestler and jiujitsu student the representation would be super cool.
Let's be honest here. Don't be so ignorant because Sifu is actually Cantonese not mandarin. They got it right since Pak Mei is a southern-style martial art. They did some deep research and got the details right. In the video he has obvious accent that clearly indicates he usually speaks Cantonese instead of mandarin.
@@aiquangat8620 yeah let's just matched this untrained random nobody with someone that has trained and experience fighting hundreds of times in his lifetime /s
I remember learning Sanda while learning Wushu (separate class, same teacher) and realizing that taking bits and pieces from wushu and use it because it works and realizing what people like Ranton and Bruce Lee truly meant
When I learned kung fu in taiwan 30 years ago, every master said their style was " too tough" and " too secret" so couldn't engage in much sparring, and since you can't challenge your master there, nobody could fight. This guy benjamin looks somehow capable and effective, up to a point as we know in reality it can't be that choreographed. And btw Ranton, your French accent is impeccable :))
15:53 it's a temple strike, with enough force a strike to the temple is devastating. If you caught last nights ufc fights Walker vs Hill, Hill ko'd walker with a counter right hand on the temple.
While attacking with a ridiculous powerless panther style 'punch' though? Bullshit. He hard knuckle punched the shit out of his temple. A PROPER temple strike will fuck someone up, which is what he was alluding to.
@@gmork1090 if you know about fighting? You know that you don't need a lot of power to ko people, it's the technique. How many fights are there where you see people get ko'd with a well placed jab? It's about the placement. Imo the type strike doesn't really matter, if you know where to hit. The chin, nose, temple or behind the ear.
@@shaunyb0i the strength of the strike definitely matters lol obviously people have been ko'd from seemingly soft punches but you're not about to drop someone with a perfectly placed tap of the knuckle, especially not at full speed aggression. And actually hitting hard like this might just break those fingers, it's a lose lose.
I just watched this video and that strike is for more than the temple. Actually a fist is not the best thing to use striking, a palm strike is better because it's stronger and you're less likely to hurt yourself.
He's right, Having studied wing chun under a very good Sifu, we knew it was good for grappling only because he also taught us muay tai kickboxing to go with it as well. Wing chun itself is not enough, but it does teach you had to get the upper hand with an opponent and overpower them in a close up situation with using those skills to elbow and punch and kick when you have room to do so. We sparred like kickboxers and grappled ( Wing chun ) in close quarters when we could, this is how we were taught.
the problem with wing chun is that the majority of the way it's taught, it's mostly for close range. most schools don't know how to operate with it long to mid range, so when they encounter round houses and or leg kicks, wing chun guys get demolished easily. they're missing huge chunks in their arsenal because their curriculum that was passed down in their lineages are incomplete from footwork to range control to mid-long range attack/defense. most wing chun guys don't know how to deal with hooks either because their schools aren't complete.
@@dxcSOUL Wing Chun grappling exists but it's exclusive to only a few lineages, since Wing Chun is based on Snake and Crane, the grappling looks like a snake coiling around another's limbs, and it takes proper skill, timing, physical pressure sensing and range control to execute this specific type of grappling. This type of grappling doesn't work with large sparring gloves either because it relies on proper wrist friction flow to coil around another's arm very tightly but smoothly and it's usually used for leverage control during a counter. You can also use this type of grappling for trap capture leverage pulley type control between their two limbs crossed, and that set up requires you to stick to their limbs, them trying to hit you with their free hand while their other hand is trapped, then you capture both as they cross between each other and you circle pulley the cross to flip them.
Fatshan Pak Mei was taken from Guangzhou, where they added a bunch of Wing Chun aspects like the continuous punching and other stuff, this was around the time of the 4th generation of practitioners from the originator of the style, the priest Bei Mei. They favour the panther fist alot because it adds reach, but you need to condition the second row of your knuckles otherwise you'll break your hand. Interesting fact about Pak Mei, they're brothers with a style called Lung Ying, better known as Dragon Style Kung fu.
Con you go more in detail? I would love to know more about the characteristics of this style. I have heard that Lung Ying is very practical,i didn't know it was connected to Pak Mei. I was under the impression Pak Mei and Wing Chun were connected.
Futsan Bak Mei is very different from CLC (Cheung Lai Chuen) Bak Mei. CLC Bak Mei is what most people refer to when they speak about Bak Mei. The Futsan style have a lot of circular strikes that are missing from CLC style. In my opinion, Futsan style is probably closer to the original than CLC, because CLC was a master of various Hakka styles before learning Bak Mei. I believe he blended his Bak Mei with the Hakka styles, and Lung Ying to create his own style.
@@zetareticulan321aye.. Cheung Lai Chuen has Lau Man/Wanderer style, Lee family style and incorporated Lung Ting (Mor Kiu/grinding arms or demon bridge arms) methods. The long pole is similar to the Lee style / ZhongLanGwan or central warding pole. I wish I got to learn it but only heard stories or got a couple of basic moves found in other southern style Pole/Stick weapon systems.
The takedowns in sifu make me laugh. He literally slaps dudes in their bodies like 6 times while their just like bro wtf then he just fucking decks them.
@@sonic-bb There are two takedowns with that issue, and I would say the biggest thing is that the animations need to use closed fist strikes for the soft parts of the body and less power slapping. I understand open hand to the face or to the hard part of the ribs or a chop to the throat, but one takedown is you stepping on a guy's foot while power slapping his center line, with no regard for whether he's hitting a soft or hard target. Soft meets hard and hard meets soft is something I've learned in my studies of Eastern arts. You hit a soft fleshy target with a weak palm strike or a chop and it's far less effective than a closed hand strike. It can work like Pancrase style, but the player in SIFU is not throwing hard palm strikes. And why use a palm when a fist is more efficient? Likewise, many people can punch the head, but Eastern styles preach the open hand to prevent knuckle fractures because a 130 lb 5' 4" man from Guangdong/Okinawa/whathaveyou is going to usually have weaker hands than a big Brit or Dutchman throwing boxing around.
That's bullshit. Some techniques are just more effective than others. That's life. In war, not all weapons are equally effective. The Martial Art discussion is long closed. Only dreamers and anime dweebs continue to believe in Bullshido.
@@MrNictaxlord Don't get me wrong ! It is true without a doubt that there is some stuff that works and some stuff that doesn't. But what I meant is that even if you have the best techniques in the world, if you do not sparr you will get destroyed. Like Mike Tyson said : "Everyone has a plan until they get hit". That's it. Hope I have clear the misunderstanding !
@@MrNictaxlord And so with that what counts as "bullshido" in your eyes? This is an empty statement to make when it could be that someone is just bad at doing 'x' rather than 'y' scenario.
There's an other french Pak mei Sifu who' s sifu is the brother of Benjamin 's sifu; he's good and really strong, his name is Jonathan barbary; his TH-cam channel is fatsan pakmeikune
The other good thing about Wing Chun is the very very slight movement for defending and engaging in attacks which means you save energy if you apply that philosophy you're going to learn how to basically attack without breaking a sweat. But at the same time if your dodges aren't big enough you could just get hit
Ranton I can't believe you actually quoted John Mongrel from Pallsmoore Prison here in South Africa....it made me burst out laughing when you said "I give him clothes, I give him food, he sleep by me" 🤣 much love from South Africa man, you're a legend.
Just to throw out there, there’s two forms (that I’m aware of) for Bak Mei. One is this system, one is the CLC variation. This system uses the leopard fist A LOT, and very fast circular motions from what I’ve seen. CLC version uses a lot of punches and hammerfists, a lot of focus on power. Would be good to mix with boxing to better understand what you’re doing in the CLC Bak Mei in my opinion. The two systems look really different at first glance though.
What i learned from this video. If your name is Benjamin and you're in China don't tell people your name Is Ben. Tell them your name is Min. *Ben* in Chinese means silly, dull/foolish/clumsy *Min* in Chinese means clever, quick/agile/nimble The irony of having the polar opposites in your name!
In an amateur tournament I once fought against a Pak Mei practitioner, me as a Muay Maat practitioner. The match was literally stopped when I landed a simple low kick on the guys thigh while he used a flurry of torso attacks that I did not even feel. They stopped because going on would've been pointless. (This is not to discredit the style, just to mention an experience )
Well the entière style relies on crushing throats, aiming AT the face (not necessarly to poke eyes as it IS close to impossible but to Annoy)and so on....so of course if you take away the usfull hit and they Say it does not work 😂 Plus you must have benefit from more pressure testing training ;)
What other reason would you mention this anecdote other than to further dock points from the style’s reputation? I’m not saying you like being mean, but what other purpose does this story have?
@@peterwang5660 In the comment section of a TH-cam video discussing a certain topic I cannot mention my own experiences with said topic because said experience lights a negative light on that topic? If a Holocaust survivor would comment on a video criticizing Nazis about his/her experiences should he/she also not comment cuz that would be "What other reason they mention this anecdote other than further dock points from the Nazis reputation?"
@@alexandrenedellec7116 That's always the bullshit excuse. "Ooh no, my magical dancing art is meant to kill, that's why it doesn't work on full contact sparring". If you can kill you can incapacitate. If you can do the hardest, you can do the easiest. It's axiomatic,
@@MrNictaxlord ranton did say that the style is useful, when combined with other styles. So its not hurr durr pak mei bad, mfs are just too specialized to be useful in general fights
I actually feel like Sifu has some techniques that could be applied, just not all of them. Actually most of them, if not all of them can be certainly performed, and most of the moves are pretty good. The reverse grip for melee weapons is off of course, but still- Can't help but admit it all looks bad ass. Some of the techniques used in that game can be pretty damn brutal too. Honestly the way the character fights in the game, or at least how you're supposed to fight, is quite nuts. And of course the main character whoops all the ass because some of the opponents have the most wound-up punches that can casually be deflected in real life. If you played enough Ghost of Tsushima, you can see that shit coming from a mile away at times. The way the martial arts are presented here seems a bit off though at times LMAO, I do agree with your opinion on the controversy around Wing-Chun though. And yes, I definitely agree that it's all about applying these techniques in your own way and at the right times and using the RIGHT techniques as well. Nitpicking like Bruce Lee is big brain. And it's all about reinforcing the techniques you're already really good at and making them even STRONGER. And just like in the game, you can pretty much do the same thing. It's not about the moves, it's the way you actually apply the moves. Wing-Chun be like button mashing, and we all know you ain't getting away with button mashing in Sifu BOI
First of all it's Bak mei 白眉 and not 'pak'. Secondly, shifu/sifu （师傅）are exactly the same word just variant pronunciations with differing tones in 普通话 and 粤语 respectively (different Chinese languages, NOT mere accents!) and so, if anything the way you pronounce it is incorrect as Bak mei is a Southern style and thus spoken Cantonese is used for terminology pertaining to it. I find it extremely galling that you repetitively try to 'correct' native speakers (of a language you don't even speak) or people who pronounce it in Cantonese.
with the Wing Chun thing, I gotta agree with Ranton. Wing Chun became an art for self defense to nonsense. That's why Qi La La incorporates Muay Thai and other various forms of martial arts to make it work for him and HE ACTUALLY PLAYTESTS WITH IT. Just like how Bruce Lee changed a few things for his art. People want to learn the root and end up staying with the root instead of making it their own.
That doesn’t make sense. Qi LA La is an amateur fighter in MMA and kickboxing. He has to cross train. What will and won’t work for an average guy is not the same for what will and won’t work for a fighter.
its good to train hitting spots that hurt a lot. but youd wonder how an attempt to kick the groin can easily f up balance, how it hurts to strike a chin with that weird paw style or that you break your fingers when you try to blind them but they close eyes or you strike the forehead
Not sure if you noticed, he performed the pak mei performance from Sifu in that red room when "killing" the 5 bosses as a tutorial. The in-between scenes to be exact.
Whenever it comes to pronouncing a word from a foreign language, I try and emulate the accent and pronunciation as closely to the native speakers as I can simply out of a general respect I hold for all cultures. I, too, pronounce the game title “Sifu” as “shee-foo”, ‘cause it’s both easier and more accurate to say than “See-Foo”.
Incorrect ;) Shifu is Northern (Mandarin) pronounced She-Foo Sifu is Southern (Cantonese) pronounced See-Foo They mean the same more or less, an educator/master (mentor)
We need more games like Sifu and maybe not only Pak Mei but other niche martial arts too Also, Sifu is one of the few games that use the posture system so well after Sekiro (at least that I know of). More games need to use that system man, it is so good
I remember going to an MMA (kickboxing/muay thai/ju-jitsu) class for the first time when I was 14 and I couldn't figure out why we had to call the head instructor sifu when he was a francophone white guy named Jean-Guy with a muscle shirt and barbed wire tats. I kept calling him sensei for gags until he double legged me and put me in an arm triangle choke until all I saw were little sparkles, fun times, actually learned a lot though.
Random needs to film a series of “shaolin fundementals” on how to build the basic blocks where he dresses up like Rocky’s trainer and yells at everyone. “If ya ain’t got the split, ya can’t do shit!”
My favorite Martial Arts game was Sleeping Dogs. I loved how you could unlock other techniques by wearing different outfits. Although once you got the final power up, the game became easy as hell lol
I'm sorry but I believe every form of martial art can be used for fighting to some extent. It's just application. Notice that I didn't say that a specific style can be used in every situation. That's not realistic.
This is the ming dyansty long guard which is in muay thai chaiya as well. The Greek pantration fighters used this circular guard as well. The more circular guard is better for multiple opponents, however, the power generation seems to be lost in this lineage. These are rabbit punches. Perhaps it works with small knives, but as an unarmed art something is missing.
Pak Mei is definitely more applicable than Shaolin Kung Fu and I say that as a long time Shaolin practitioner. I always felt like Shaolin was best for body conditioning. Sanda is the way to go at the end of the day though. Every Kung Fu school should also do Sanda imo
@@aquaticlibrary Can’t be too surprised I guess. We all know the shaolin temple has become extremely mainstream and touristy. They are definitely NOT teaching outsiders real lethal kung fu. To even use leopard or Phoenix eye fists, it takes at least a year of proper knuckle conditioning. He ain’t bout that life.
I remember Sifu was a joke growing up. "Don't talk back to your sifu" it was from a cartoon but I can't remember what cartoon but I didn't make it up myself lol
Ranton seems to be a little ignorant of Bak Mei's rep lol. Bak Mei guys have broken plenty of jaws over the years. They do spar full contact, and bare knuckle, even with eye gouging in some schools. When it comes to "exotic" hand strikes.... Southern Leopard hands, Tiger claw, and finger strikes are BRUTAL but you have to WORK on conditioning. It's not for beginners. That's why old school full contact Karate guys could kick with their toes without breaking them as they dig into a ribcage. If you doubt Bak Mei's legitimacy, visit Dragonhouse MMA in San Francisco, California. Ask for Zhong Luo, the head coach. He's direct Foshan province Bak Mei, being the son of master Mai Yu Qiang.
Lmao, I remember trying to show my dad a pull I learned from Sanda, but my nails were too long and I scratched him pretty bad. In that moment I suddenly understood what the fuck tiger claws are all about.
@@peterwang5660 Lol indeed. I remember meeting Sifu Buck Sam Kong in Los Angeles years ago, and he demonstrated some chin'Na locks and tiger grips from Hung Kuen Gongfu. His palm "density" and grip strength was crazy. People in today's TH-cam obsessed world really don't understand, not everything is gonna be conveniently shown on video clips online. But once you feel things like this firsthand, you find out real fast how real it can be.
A lot of it is down to teaching methods not necessarily styles that, _for some odd reason_, survived through violent eras in China. And yes, traditional styles _do_ evolve with the times.
This. I'm a student of Tung Kong Chow Gar Tong Long and i would encourage any doubters to visit Sifu Paul Brennan in Brisbane Australia and challenge him to a dual. See how you go.
I was taking lessons in Wing Chun and some Pak Mei way back in 1978 way before anybody knew what these were. These styles are great as an Ambush Defense when you are attacked No style is is going to give you an advantage against someone who is Physically Superior and prepared for you to defend yourself. P S close range styles are the only chance you have against someone Physically Superior to you. Size him and don't let him out of your control
"No style is is going to give you an advantage against someone who is Physically Superior and prepared for you to defend yourself"....uhhh...you must have missed UFC1 and the 30 years of martial arts development afterwards.
@@MrNictaxlord I don't know what you have been watching but in street fight size strength and youth matters unless your attacker is reay inept which is doubtful
@@jimwells9155 tell that to Royce. I fight rugby/CrossFit white belts that have 40 pounds on me pretty much every week. Size and strength matter a lot….as long as the skill difference isn’t an issue. Size and strength in the ground matters less than technical prowess. If size and strength were the only thing that mattered strong men would be millionaire top fighters…But they are not. However, when the difference in skill is not large, then yes, I agree. Strength matters a lot.
There's one thing I've learnt from working as a bouncer many , many years ago is something that pretty much contradicts many things I hear from people regarding 'real life fighting': If you have the misfortune of getting into a fight with anyone in your life, be safe in the knowledge that 90% of the people you will get into it with ..CAN'T 'FIGHT'! You're probably NOT going to meet a Mike Tyson/Tyson Fury, you're probably NOT going to meet a Khabib Nurmagomedov/GSP and you're probably NOT going to run into a Gracie family member wanting to knock you out for spilling his beer in a pub. Basically, I've seen anything and everything used to fight anyone. Basically, it will boil down to your physical strength , endurance for pain, your size, fitness and usually most importantly your will to inflict pain and suffering on your opponent, which doesn't come easy for everyone. So I'm not particularly saying that a particular martial art is effective or ineffective, I'm saying that if you have those traits I mentioned and happen to know in this case 'Pak Mei' and your opponent is lacking in those aforementioned traits or has not developed them as much as you have and doesn't know what's coming...then yeah, Your Pak Mei will probably kick your opponents ass 🙂 You probably can get away with using any style to beat up your opponent with those traits...well...maybe not that crazy-ass jedi mind trick no touch kung fu shit!
Facts and well said, there's a reason why military focuses on the grab and elbow focused strikes like systema and keysi because they hit harder. Most of the flashy and quick strikes in martial arts movies when implemented in real life fights lack the blow to stagger opponents, it comes down to who downs who first and in street fights rules doesn't apply... it all comes down to endurance and power.
100% be stronger than the guy you're fighting because when it comes to exchange blows you'll each land one and the fight will either be over or you'll both be tangled up because someone will grab someone and with no ref to separate someone is getting thrown or you both go to the ground and the stronger guy (imagine simply fatter) will lay on top of you and you can't break free and have no angle for good punches while laying flat on your back.
@@ultramarsfinest1536 not that they won't necessarily have that power but logistically it makes sense to focus on grappling in the military since striking requires a lot more practice and likely has no place in a gun fight
I really enjoyed this video, but I respectfully disagree with two things related to punches: 1) _fists work_ well... Ask a random dude to punch a boxing dummy or heavy bag and I'll bet that he'll hurt his hand! Even some trained boxers and kickboxer grossly overestimate their abilities, as they are way too reliant on their boxing gloves! If you don't believe me, why don't you do a little test at your own risk: find an open wooden door and punch it! Unlike a wall, it will give, but it will still suck! Compare this to using palm strikes, slaps, hammer fists, or elbow strikes and you'll quickly realize what you can use in a fight without gloves... 2) regarding the flat fists (leopard fist, I believe): I bet that I could punch someone in the temple, and perhaps even cave in his skull, but I wouldn't want to risk my fingers! There's one thing you should understand about hand shape. You can best illustrate it by folding up a cardboard box so that it has 4 layers. Hold it tight and let other people punch it. Even heavy-weight boxers are unlikely to be able to punch through it! However, those that can thrust with their open hand, or punch through a brick with the leopard hand, will be able to stick their arm through the cardboard! Just imagine what that means for punching someone into the guts, or worse the neck... Even though you won't be able to stick your hand into the body, it will cause tears, which can have serious consequences! However, the open hand thrust is the most likely to crumble on impact, while the palm strike has the least risk of failing upon impact. The leopard fist and regular fist naturally lie in between. The prior is a bit more of a high-skill technique, or should I say high-risk high reward maneuver? If successful, it does more damage, and you can sneak it under the jaw far more readily than a regular fist. PS: breaking bricks is good for understanding what you can and can't do. However, you can overdo it. You can damage nerves and cause deformation of your bones, which eventually will cause you to suffer from reduced mobility and potentially chronic pain! It's a bit of a similar dilemma to how realistic do you want to train? Getting punched for real sucks and even headbutting a target will do accumulative damage to your brain! Getting KOed is a sign of brain injury! On the other hand, no sparring and never without gloves will give you a false sense of security and once you get hit and you're not used to it, your brain will shut down in panic!
Agreed - leopard fist (pau kune) is a powerful technique that has the potential to end fights quickly - that's why you see it in so many southern kung fu (and some Okinawan)styles. The challenging part is strengthening and conditioning your hands and wrists to use the technique with speed, power, and accuracy (without hurting yourself) - it can take years to do this. Once you get it down, you can confidently hit heavy bags, focus pads, and hard objects without thinking about it. Later on, you can even use it in sparring when working with someone you trust (and who trusts you). It's as fast as a jab but imparts more energy into a smaller surface area (than a 'regular' punch), so it has more penetrating power. Anyone who sees the technique and calls it useless has never been hit by someone who does it well. The same can be said for phoenix eye strikes and other specialty hand techniques.
i would love if they add more styles to Sifu, like Wing Chun etc. And if they canet you select your own move set, if you beat the game once. So that would give you a reason to play again but with your own Styles.
The ip man fan boys forget that I Man learned some forms of Shaolin as well earlier in his career to make his kung-fu better. He also fought people with multiple styles to train more, that's what made him strong, not Wing Chun by itself.
Leung Bik as well is said to have deviated from GuLao village's Wing Chun by doing other systems.. Afte this father Leung Jan died, the younger brother is said to have built a wall to separate the brother's household from his own. Leung Bik did go to Hong Kong in later life.
Your videos are so entertaining that I have been watching them all day and haven't done shit around my house. Maybe I'll play Sifu and forget about it. Haha.
I love how the guy at 2:25 writes half an essay on how Wing Chun is not useless in real fights, because he was able to defeat a whole group of people and even has the security footage to show it off!
Im practicing Wing Tsun for 4 years now and i can say that if you train hard alone and with your partners and learn from a master that can actually teach you good stuff, then yeah wing tsun works. BUT i am also practice kickboxing and want to go also to jiujitsu classes soon. I am a big fan of Bruce Lee and i relate that only practicing wing tsun especially from some random impostor is very dangerous.
I agree with you man.. I don't understand this hatred that Ranton has for southern styles. If you train hard, learn whatever you can from your master, and spar a lot, you will kick ass! I practice southern praying mantis and I actually find it very useful in real life situations.
There are many people who have adapted Wing Chun to work in a live situation without knowing ANY other martial art...including kickboxing. It's not delusional. Your martial art is as much as you put into it. Its delusional to think that if you train something specific that itll make you good at fighting. Its delusional to think that there is any martial art that is "good for any situation". Martial arts guys spend too much time watching fights and hanging out with other martial artists and regurgitating the same doctrines and 10 cent philosophies that they forget there is a whole world outside martial arts. Where a vast majority of people aren't trained to fight in an MMA cage. Or even know the slightest thing about martial arts. Nor care.
The late Dr. Y.Q. Wong of Chattanooga, TN was a Bak Mei practitioner that would have hit this guy hard enough to make his heart stop. This guy is about as much of a fighter as Simone Biles is.
I would love to see him react to martial and weapon arts from around the earth. I mean just him digging into the traditional French and Irish martial arts would be a treat. And I don't mean just savate and heavy drinking. Stuff like: boxe franchise (a French mix of English boxing and savate), Canne de Combat, the Irish Dornalaiocht, Coraiocht and Bataireacht, the British Bartitsu and Defendu (actual honest to god karate chops), Keysi and so on. Weird mixture of honest attempts at inventing a way of self defence, old traditions and outright idiocy. And that's not even mentioning HEMA(Europe) and HAMA(African).
It's true that there is many European martial art and they are very good actually. But I have this feeling that they are look down, like they are inferior against mma or kung fu, when in reality it's depend on the person who have experience in these type of fighting style.
The fact that Sifu got popular in brazil, because its pronunciation in br-portuguese basically means "get fucked" is hilarious.
lol
Do tanto que esse jogo te fode, não me assusta terem chamado de Sifu
I thought it was Si fodeu that should mean get fucked. Did you guys develop a short version for it over time?
@@The-Athenian The "correct" expression is "Se fudeu" with the "Se" most of the time being pronounced "Si" and "fudeu" being shortened to "fu".
Thats awesome and actually thematically appropriate.
Hey Ranton,
I am glad that you like the game that much and the work I did on it.
Let’s meet up in my school in Paris and make a video out of this. You will understand more what Pak Mei is. I am sure your community will love this.
He is out of shape for being on the computer too.much
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Honestly I hope this gets more traction and that you two interact 💪🏾
I thought you weren't the real deal, but you are. that's pretty cool. (as in, I thought someone else was pretending to be you.)
Your Kung fu is old
All these discussions about martial arts but everyone forgot the best way to end up unscathed from every street fight is the 400m sprint.
Yes the good old 三十六计 走为上计
Or if you can’t run you can always relay on a gun
@@fishtank01 translation for those who dont know chinese
lit "36 strategies, run is upper choice"
idm "Among the 36 ways, the best way is to go away"
@@giorgiorossi1733 No point of learning martial arts if a gun comes to mind
Fax. All martial arts teach you different ways how to protect yourself but the best way of self defense is speed and cardio 👍🏾. The toughest muay thai and bjj coaches I know all stand by this rule lol
I invented a new martial art, where you just tank every hit, and all of the techniques are just grabbing your opponent by the face and throwing them headfirst into shit. I call it Yeet Kun Do.
"Sorry, this might be a bit educational."
Anton just knows his audience and himself
Aka. delusional sheep
@@MorrisseyMuse ?
@@MorrisseyMuse you sound very mad for some reason
@@MorrisseyMuse The fuck you on about even as a wing chun guy everything he said was true the only reason i even ever got it to work is because i also study american boxing, american kickboxing, muay thai, wrestling and so on.
Everything he's said about traditional martial arts is true coming from a traditional artist. Most kung fu guys are delusional as can be and that's not an exaggeration.
I am from Hong Kong, and just wanna let you know that the pronunciation of "Sifu" instead of "Shifu" is because "Sifu" is in Cantonese but "Shifu" is in Mandarin, and a lot of old Chinese Kung Fu movies are filmed in Hong Kong so I guess that's why. In the game, I very very much appreciate that they perfectly pronounced "Sifu" in Cantonese style. Espeically the guy kneeling in front of Shawn before we start the 2nd boss fight.
Btw one more interesting fact: they however pronounced 武德 in Mandarin (Wu de) instead of Cantonese (Mo Duk), I think the most probable reason is Benjamin only knows the Cantonese of 師父 but not the Cantonese of 武德 Haha
I think it's pretty ignorant of him to say "just call the game Shifu." The fact that the devs got it right and he arrogantly thinks it should be called Shifu instead of Sifu is so ignorant.
@@timber_hearthian8499 I think he said it in a pretty casual manner though, not he really think the game should be called "Shifu" but just to express he don't know why it is called "Sifu" so I think it's OK :P
@@siralat well we only take his approach on calling out the wrong where it applies. So i guess he should be alright with it when we correct him as well
@@timber_hearthian8499 I’m honestly shocked at how ignorant he was regarding that
Rantoni talking about martial arts, my favourite
His martial arts-based videos are the best of his work, well to me they are.
Rantoni Macaroni ain't no phony!
No censorship, no bullshit and straight to the point.
"Use it as a supplement" as a kung fu fan, this is pretty pog. A lot of people discount chinese styles entirely, but legendary fighters like Manson Gibson used kung fu... merged with kickboxing. He did kickboxing, TKD, and Northern Praying Mantis Kung Fu - and he claimed all 3 were essential to his style. Just merge it, it'll be cool and fun.
Sifu is Cantonese, Shifu is Mandarin. Bak mei is a Southern style, the master definitely speaks Cantonese even if he spoke in mando in the interview.
Yeah master Lao has a super thicc Cantonese accent, even his surname is Lao instead of Liu(the Mandarin equivalent)
@@Charvix bro Liu is also used Cantonese is my native toungue
@@loltrqll yes but thats a different Chinese character compared to Liu in Mandarin
@@loltrqll 劉 lau, 廖 liu
@@Charvix fr i realized right away, the cantonese accent is so easy to recognize as a person who speaks mandarin unenthusiastically the same damn way.
"when i was a kid my training was insane"
first guy to ever train: get's sent to hell to kill demons when he was 5 years old
So a Spartan
So. You're telling me Kung Fu Panda got it right when it called Po's teacher shifu instead of sifu? Mind blown.
shifu is mandarin
sifu is cantonese
Both meant the same only, in different chinese dialect
"Kung Fu Panda >>>>> Pak Mei" then?
@@yuritrasimaco5201 always has been
I mean it's not like many westerner would notice the different pronounciation between sifu and shifu anyway.
There is a reason Kung Fu Panda was actually beloved in China, some Chinese even wondered why didn't they create something like this first.
I like how Rantoni approaches any kind of Chinese "masters" with scepticism at first. Most foreigners would abandon their critical thinking when it comes to finding ancient mystic exotic masters and listen to their every word. Rantonio has seen monks do devious shit and he's way too jaded to be impressed with any self-proclaimed masters.
Quote of the Day :
"your shifu is like your Erziehungsbeauftragter"
Oh farfignugen!
Seagal looks a little bigger since he started practicing the art of coo-kie-do.
Bro.. This was excellent.. I train in kick boxing, but would never say I'm a master.. Cause you never master everything.. Always something to learn
I get what Ranton said about the power trip thing. That's the problem with most preople calling themselves ot accepting the title "Master", who give people bad impressions.
But there seems to be also some people with similar stories like this Benjamin who also never stopped their training with their own teachers and seem to get, that even they are never done training and learning and teach that to their own instructors, prior to giving them such a title.
@@Thareldis if you watch the whole documentary 1 by 1. His father is the one who instilled the principles from day 1. Imagine having someone who would take you to China to learn martial arts at the young age of 13. And ask your opinion on what you think real martial arts is… If that was the case (which yes, i agree it’s hard to believe…) I don’t find it so hard to believe that he just stuck it out, only if his father really was like that.
I really do think he just became close with him. He even says he found the guy right as he was starting his school. It’s all about how your connections to ppl when your young, in my opinion. He seems like a man who was practiced abnegation for a long, long time. You can just see it in some ppl
@@Thareldis As someone who is aspiring to teach martial arts professionally, I've always felt that the term, "Instructor," is more appropriate than being called, "Master." I feel it keeps things respectful but without getting a big head about it. Then again, I personally feel weird when someone calls me by a term like, "Sir," even though I'm 29 lol
I'm not against formalities and I use them all the time with those I'm showing proper respect to, I just feel kind of awkward being called something formal. I guess I just prefer it when people are casual with me and don't take me as being too serious and stern or insistent on titles and that kind of thing. That probably sounds weird, doesn't it?
@@loneronin6813 it’s not weird at all, that comes from your culture and it deserves to be respected to. In the West people have long ago done away with royalty and nobility and all that, no matter who you are you shake hands with people as equals etc. It’s just a difference in context.
@@peterwang5660 I really appreciate your comment and I hope that you're doing well in every part of your life :)
My old krav maga instructor once told us in class that the best self defense is being able to run faster than your attacker. The reason for him telling us was to get into our heads that fighting back for self defense should be your last resort not your first.
The issue with Southern Styles is they "Specialise" and only practice their specific way of fighting.
Ranton is right about using Wing Chun as a supplement to Sanda. If anything, Sanda should be the base, and every other school of Kung Fu serves as a supplement.
Sanda already incorporates moves from these softer arts, more so in the catching and sweeping than in the striking but might as well keep adding to it by practicing the individual styles.
honestly this is the best road for Kung Fu to take, aside form Buk Sing Choy Lee Fut and Shuai Jiao, there isn't much in the Kung Fu department to compete with other arts. TBF even with Muay Thai it wasn't until the 20s that a boxing style training was implemented, after which the art's effectiveness increased. Same with Sanda in the 70s. Kung Fu x Kickboxing style training is the way to go
@@MatthewTraceur any thought or experience with Hung Gar practitioners? It is at least on paper closely related to Choy Lee Fut as one of those so called "five family styles" that supposedly survived from southern Shaolin.
Sanda merges many moves from Kung Fu while making them useful in combat
every good striking martial arts will slowly evolve into kickboxing. no exception
I've been playing Sifu, and I've noticed there are a bunch of clear grappling moves misrepresented as strikes in it. Like the whole "poking with all of your fingers strike" is there, and it's without a doubt supposed to be about pushing your palm behind your opponent's arm and dragging that arm back. That one finisher where the character pushes his or her left arm across the opponent's chest and kind of pseudo locks their arm and then slaps them in the face with the right hand; that's a demonstration of two basic throws, the first is one where you go forward and cut the opponent's balance at the waist, knocking them down to your left, and the second is where you do the most basic throw there is where you hug the head and throw the opponent over your own hip.
Kind of a long preface, but what I'm trying to say is if Mr. Benjamin didn't understand the moves so much that he could mocap them in their actual contexts, it's very likely he doesn't spar. Or do any kind of resistive training at all.
Was just watching a video by Ramsey Dewey on that same phenomenon in other martial arts, I even remember the high level Kata in karate when I was a kid being filled with nonsensical strikes that make more sense as grapples, seems time has been unkind to traditionalist martial arts.
@@TheRazePlayz Yeah, I think it's pretty ironic that the forms that were meant to be mnemonic devices to remember a large amount of techniques have become something practitioners learn by heart and repeat ad nauseam without understanding what the movements mean.
That’s one thing I love about Dewey. He’s even showed practical applications of Tai Chi of all things. I believe Jesse Enkamp also talks a bit about grappling moves in Karate, and in a more personal note, my sifu (choy lay fut) does point out sections of forms that make a lot more sense as throws/grapples.
I have trained in Benjamin school.
The guy is a real asshole, and I confirm to you he doesn't spar because "It's too deadly".
yeah, i really wish fighting focused games like sifu and absolver would incorporate more grappling techniques. as a wrestler and jiujitsu student the representation would be super cool.
Could watch an whole hour of ranton just quoting mcgregor
It's crazy how he can quote memes in perfect timing and cadence like that
A memes master, indeed
@@yuritrasimaco5201 Shifu of Memes
can't wait to see him quote his popsicle video
@@RancorousSea underated commentary
17:45 You actually do have a stomp-on-head finisher in Sifu 🤣
Let's be honest here. Don't be so ignorant because Sifu is actually Cantonese not mandarin. They got it right since Pak Mei is a southern-style martial art. They did some deep research and got the details right. In the video he has obvious accent that clearly indicates he usually speaks Cantonese instead of mandarin.
Unfortunate but people tend to dismiss Cantonese nowadays
Still an ineffective martial art none the less.
If you beg the differ try that I’m the cage.
Johnathan L
Post your match with those practitioners then. Let's see how you hold up.
@@aiquangat8620 yeah let's just matched this untrained random nobody with someone that has trained and experience fighting hundreds of times in his lifetime /s
@@methanesulfonic
Didn't you see that Johnathan guy is/was open for challenge in the cage ?
I remember learning Sanda while learning Wushu (separate class, same teacher) and realizing that taking bits and pieces from wushu and use it because it works and realizing what people like Ranton and Bruce Lee truly meant
easily the funniest person I follow. Never disappointed
nan quan all the way! when i learnt kempo we were taught heavily from nan quan influences and plum blossom styles
I haven’t been able to catch him live yet but these streams look like they’re a great time for everyone!!
When I learned kung fu in taiwan 30 years ago, every master said their style was " too tough" and " too secret" so couldn't engage in much sparring, and since you can't challenge your master there, nobody could fight. This guy benjamin looks somehow capable and effective, up to a point as we know in reality it can't be that choreographed. And btw Ranton, your French accent is impeccable :))
15:53 it's a temple strike, with enough force a strike to the temple is devastating. If you caught last nights ufc fights Walker vs Hill, Hill ko'd walker with a counter right hand on the temple.
While attacking with a ridiculous powerless panther style 'punch' though? Bullshit. He hard knuckle punched the shit out of his temple. A PROPER temple strike will fuck someone up, which is what he was alluding to.
@@gmork1090 if you know about fighting? You know that you don't need a lot of power to ko people, it's the technique. How many fights are there where you see people get ko'd with a well placed jab? It's about the placement. Imo the type strike doesn't really matter, if you know where to hit. The chin, nose, temple or behind the ear.
@@shaunyb0i the strength of the strike definitely matters lol obviously people have been ko'd from seemingly soft punches but you're not about to drop someone with a perfectly placed tap of the knuckle, especially not at full speed aggression. And actually hitting hard like this might just break those fingers, it's a lose lose.
I just watched this video and that strike is for more than the temple.
Actually a fist is not the best thing to use striking, a palm strike is better because it's stronger and you're less likely to hurt yourself.
He's right, Having studied wing chun under a very good Sifu, we knew it was good for grappling only because he also taught us muay tai kickboxing to go with it as well. Wing chun itself is not enough, but it does teach you had to get the upper hand with an opponent and overpower them in a close up situation with using those skills to elbow and punch and kick when you have room to do so. We sparred like kickboxers and grappled ( Wing chun ) in close quarters when we could, this is how we were taught.
the problem with wing chun is that the majority of the way it's taught, it's mostly for close range. most schools don't know how to operate with it long to mid range, so when they encounter round houses and or leg kicks, wing chun guys get demolished easily. they're missing huge chunks in their arsenal because their curriculum that was passed down in their lineages are incomplete from footwork to range control to mid-long range attack/defense. most wing chun guys don't know how to deal with hooks either because their schools aren't complete.
Wing Chun grappling?
@@dxcSOUL Wing Chun grappling exists but it's exclusive to only a few lineages, since Wing Chun is based on Snake and Crane, the grappling looks like a snake coiling around another's limbs, and it takes proper skill, timing, physical pressure sensing and range control to execute this specific type of grappling.
This type of grappling doesn't work with large sparring gloves either because it relies on proper wrist friction flow to coil around another's arm very tightly but smoothly and it's usually used for leverage control during a counter. You can also use this type of grappling for trap capture leverage pulley type control between their two limbs crossed, and that set up requires you to stick to their limbs, them trying to hit you with their free hand while their other hand is trapped, then you capture both as they cross between each other and you circle pulley the cross to flip them.
Fatshan Pak Mei was taken from Guangzhou, where they added a bunch of Wing Chun aspects like the continuous punching and other stuff, this was around the time of the 4th generation of practitioners from the originator of the style, the priest Bei Mei. They favour the panther fist alot because it adds reach, but you need to condition the second row of your knuckles otherwise you'll break your hand.
Interesting fact about Pak Mei, they're brothers with a style called Lung Ying, better known as Dragon Style Kung fu.
Con you go more in detail?
I would love to know more about the characteristics of this style.
I have heard that Lung Ying is very practical,i didn't know it was connected to Pak Mei.
I was under the impression Pak Mei and Wing Chun were connected.
Futsan Bak Mei is very different from CLC (Cheung Lai Chuen) Bak Mei. CLC Bak Mei is what most people refer to when they speak about Bak Mei. The Futsan style have a lot of circular strikes that are missing from CLC style. In my opinion, Futsan style is probably closer to the original than CLC, because CLC was a master of various Hakka styles before learning Bak Mei. I believe he blended his Bak Mei with the Hakka styles, and Lung Ying to create his own style.
@@zetareticulan321aye.. Cheung Lai Chuen has Lau Man/Wanderer style, Lee family style and incorporated Lung Ting (Mor Kiu/grinding arms or demon bridge arms) methods.
The long pole is similar to the Lee style / ZhongLanGwan or central warding pole. I wish I got to learn it but only heard stories or got a couple of basic moves found in other southern style Pole/Stick weapon systems.
Lol at the vin diesel sound bites, "coño man talk to me baby" 😂😂
The takedowns in sifu make me laugh. He literally slaps dudes in their bodies like 6 times while their just like bro wtf then he just fucking decks them.
Lmao
@@marquaviusrobinson4335 btw SIFU does have some movie references does that count ?
tell me how u would fix this
@@sonic-bb There are two takedowns with that issue, and I would say the biggest thing is that the animations need to use closed fist strikes for the soft parts of the body and less power slapping. I understand open hand to the face or to the hard part of the ribs or a chop to the throat, but one takedown is you stepping on a guy's foot while power slapping his center line, with no regard for whether he's hitting a soft or hard target.
Soft meets hard and hard meets soft is something I've learned in my studies of Eastern arts. You hit a soft fleshy target with a weak palm strike or a chop and it's far less effective than a closed hand strike. It can work like Pancrase style, but the player in SIFU is not throwing hard palm strikes. And why use a palm when a fist is more efficient? Likewise, many people can punch the head, but Eastern styles preach the open hand to prevent knuckle fractures because a 130 lb 5' 4" man from Guangdong/Okinawa/whathaveyou is going to usually have weaker hands than a big Brit or Dutchman throwing boxing around.
Bruh, “Sifu” is Cantonese for "Shifu", and Bak Mei was invented by a Cantonese in Foshan
This video is fucking cringe.
The inventor was not Cantonese; he was a Hakka, and he certainly didn't invent it in Foshan but probably either in Huizhou or Guangzhou.
It doesnt matter what martial arts you do or what style you do. What only matters is your ability to still land your techniques after getting hit.
That's bullshit. Some techniques are just more effective than others. That's life. In war, not all weapons are equally effective.
The Martial Art discussion is long closed. Only dreamers and anime dweebs continue to believe in Bullshido.
@@MrNictaxlord Don't get me wrong ! It is true without a doubt that there is some stuff that works and some stuff that doesn't. But what I meant is that even if you have the best techniques in the world, if you do not sparr you will get destroyed.
Like Mike Tyson said : "Everyone has a plan until they get hit".
That's it. Hope I have clear the misunderstanding !
@@zelhias8621 sure. Pressure testing is the only training that works.
@@MrNictaxlord True, the rest is optional.
@@MrNictaxlord And so with that what counts as "bullshido" in your eyes? This is an empty statement to make when it could be that someone is just bad at doing 'x' rather than 'y' scenario.
When he was going through the hand gestures.... 🖕🏾... That had me dying 😂 💀
Pak Mei uses a lot of Leopard Fist Punches. It's a very Vicious Style. Pak Mei Stresses not being fast but sudden.
Similar to Penchak Silat then?
“Seafood is not for real fighting” - The Cruel Tutelage of Pak Mei
There's an other french Pak mei Sifu who' s sifu is the brother of Benjamin 's sifu; he's good and really strong, his name is Jonathan barbary; his TH-cam channel is fatsan pakmeikune
It's Sifu because it's a southern style based out of Foshan. The master guy even slips into Cantonese terms multiple times during the doco.
The other good thing about Wing Chun is the very very slight movement for defending and engaging in attacks which means you save energy if you apply that philosophy you're going to learn how to basically attack without breaking a sweat. But at the same time if your dodges aren't big enough you could just get hit
Ranton I can't believe you actually quoted John Mongrel from Pallsmoore Prison here in South Africa....it made me burst out laughing when you said "I give him clothes, I give him food, he sleep by me" 🤣 much love from South Africa man, you're a legend.
Just to throw out there, there’s two forms (that I’m aware of) for Bak Mei. One is this system, one is the CLC variation. This system uses the leopard fist A LOT, and very fast circular motions from what I’ve seen.
CLC version uses a lot of punches and hammerfists, a lot of focus on power. Would be good to mix with boxing to better understand what you’re doing in the CLC Bak Mei in my opinion.
The two systems look really different at first glance though.
What i learned from this video.
If your name is Benjamin and you're in China don't tell people your name Is Ben. Tell them your name is Min.
*Ben* in Chinese means silly, dull/foolish/clumsy
*Min* in Chinese means clever, quick/agile/nimble
The irony of having the polar opposites in your name!
11:40 more like Pack Mei with that gas he's smoking.
The hip-hop is actually "Ghost Dog" soundtrack by RZA
In an amateur tournament I once fought against a Pak Mei practitioner, me as a Muay Maat practitioner. The match was literally stopped when I landed a simple low kick on the guys thigh while he used a flurry of torso attacks that I did not even feel. They stopped because going on would've been pointless.
(This is not to discredit the style, just to mention an experience )
Well the entière style relies on crushing throats, aiming AT the face (not necessarly to poke eyes as it IS close to impossible but to Annoy)and so on....so of course if you take away the usfull hit and they Say it does not work 😂
Plus you must have benefit from more pressure testing training ;)
What other reason would you mention this anecdote other than to further dock points from the style’s reputation? I’m not saying you like being mean, but what other purpose does this story have?
@@peterwang5660 In the comment section of a TH-cam video discussing a certain topic I cannot mention my own experiences with said topic because said experience lights a negative light on that topic?
If a Holocaust survivor would comment on a video criticizing Nazis about his/her experiences should he/she also not comment cuz that would be "What other reason they mention this anecdote other than further dock points from the Nazis reputation?"
@@alexandrenedellec7116 That's always the bullshit excuse. "Ooh no, my magical dancing art is meant to kill, that's why it doesn't work on full contact sparring". If you can kill you can incapacitate. If you can do the hardest, you can do the easiest. It's axiomatic,
@@MrNictaxlord ranton did say that the style is useful, when combined with other styles. So its not hurr durr pak mei bad, mfs are just too specialized to be useful in general fights
my favorite is when my grandparents say" i used to walk barefoot to school, 2 miles in the snow up hill both ways"
when he said judo and jujitsu i loved RANTON on the spot
Exactly not to mention add wrestling and some western boxing for head movement and extra footwork
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I actually feel like Sifu has some techniques that could be applied, just not all of them. Actually most of them, if not all of them can be certainly performed, and most of the moves are pretty good. The reverse grip for melee weapons is off of course, but still-
Can't help but admit it all looks bad ass. Some of the techniques used in that game can be pretty damn brutal too. Honestly the way the character fights in the game, or at least how you're supposed to fight, is quite nuts.
And of course the main character whoops all the ass because some of the opponents have the most wound-up punches that can casually be deflected in real life. If you played enough Ghost of Tsushima, you can see that shit coming from a mile away at times.
The way the martial arts are presented here seems a bit off though at times LMAO, I do agree with your opinion on the controversy around Wing-Chun though. And yes, I definitely agree that it's all about applying these techniques in your own way and at the right times and using the RIGHT techniques as well. Nitpicking like Bruce Lee is big brain.
And it's all about reinforcing the techniques you're already really good at and making them even STRONGER. And just like in the game, you can pretty much do the same thing. It's not about the moves, it's the way you actually apply the moves.
Wing-Chun be like button mashing, and we all know you ain't getting away with button mashing in Sifu BOI
Hahaha this Techinque with the Thump in your fist is called the "Mush Hand Technique" :D
First of all it's Bak mei 白眉 and not 'pak'. Secondly, shifu/sifu （师傅）are exactly the same word just variant pronunciations with differing tones in 普通话 and 粤语 respectively (different Chinese languages, NOT mere accents!) and so, if anything the way you pronounce it is incorrect as Bak mei is a Southern style and thus spoken Cantonese is used for terminology pertaining to it. I find it extremely galling that you repetitively try to 'correct' native speakers (of a language you don't even speak) or people who pronounce it in Cantonese.
Bak Mei, Pak Mei and Pai Mei are all acceptable versions of the same name.
with the Wing Chun thing, I gotta agree with Ranton. Wing Chun became an art for self defense to nonsense. That's why Qi La La incorporates Muay Thai and other various forms of martial arts to make it work for him and HE ACTUALLY PLAYTESTS WITH IT. Just like how Bruce Lee changed a few things for his art. People want to learn the root and end up staying with the root instead of making it their own.
Ranton only talk, talk, talk, talk, talk
@@medx1553 True
That doesn’t make sense. Qi LA La is an amateur fighter in MMA and kickboxing. He has to cross train. What will and won’t work for an average guy is not the same for what will and won’t work for a fighter.
Pak Mei Strike eyes, balls and throat. Is a assassination technique and does not demonstrate its effectiveness in friendly combat
its good to train hitting spots that hurt a lot. but youd wonder how an attempt to kick the groin can easily f up balance, how it hurts to strike a chin with that weird paw style or that you break your fingers when you try to blind them but they close eyes or you strike the forehead
the phynex eye fist for hitting the eye
Not sure if you noticed, he performed the pak mei performance from Sifu in that red room when "killing" the 5 bosses as a tutorial. The in-between scenes to be exact.
Whenever it comes to pronouncing a word from a foreign language, I try and emulate the accent and pronunciation as closely to the native speakers as I can simply out of a general respect I hold for all cultures. I, too, pronounce the game title “Sifu” as “shee-foo”, ‘cause it’s both easier and more accurate to say than “See-Foo”.
Incorrect ;)
Shifu is Northern (Mandarin) pronounced She-Foo
Sifu is Southern (Cantonese)
pronounced See-Foo
They mean the same more or less, an educator/master (mentor)
"Don't be a Benjamin in China" sounds like an obscure proverb that is impossible to understand without knowing what it means
We need more games like Sifu and maybe not only Pak Mei but other niche martial arts too
Also, Sifu is one of the few games that use the posture system so well after Sekiro (at least that I know of). More games need to use that system man, it is so good
Nioh has that system too, more or less.
No idea how this ended up in my feed but I love it 😂
I remember going to an MMA (kickboxing/muay thai/ju-jitsu) class for the first time when I was 14 and I couldn't figure out why we had to call the head instructor sifu when he was a francophone white guy named Jean-Guy with a muscle shirt and barbed wire tats. I kept calling him sensei for gags until he double legged me and put me in an arm triangle choke until all I saw were little sparkles, fun times, actually learned a lot though.
Random needs to film a series of “shaolin fundementals” on how to build the basic blocks where he dresses up like Rocky’s trainer and yells at everyone. “If ya ain’t got the split, ya can’t do shit!”
My favorite Martial Arts game was Sleeping Dogs. I loved how you could unlock other techniques by wearing different outfits. Although once you got the final power up, the game became easy as hell lol
Ah yes, GTA X Yakuza with a sprinkling of Max Payne.
I'm sorry but I believe every form of martial art can be used for fighting to some extent. It's just application. Notice that I didn't say that a specific style can be used in every situation. That's not realistic.
This is the ming dyansty long guard which is in muay thai chaiya as well. The Greek pantration fighters used this circular guard as well. The more circular guard is better for multiple opponents, however, the power generation seems to be lost in this lineage. These are rabbit punches. Perhaps it works with small knives, but as an unarmed art something is missing.
"Aim at his "Schläfe" " 🤣🤣🤣
Pak Mei is definitely more applicable than Shaolin Kung Fu and I say that as a long time Shaolin practitioner. I always felt like Shaolin was best for body conditioning. Sanda is the way to go at the end of the day though. Every Kung Fu school should also do Sanda imo
He has no idea how effective the Phoenix eye fist is. He has very low understanding of real kung fu.
@@voodoornb I was surprised to see him bash and almost be unfamiliar with the leopard fist lol
@@aquaticlibrary Can’t be too surprised I guess. We all know the shaolin temple has become extremely mainstream and touristy. They are definitely NOT teaching outsiders real lethal kung fu. To even use leopard or Phoenix eye fists, it takes at least a year of proper knuckle conditioning. He ain’t bout that life.
I remember Sifu was a joke growing up. "Don't talk back to your sifu" it was from a cartoon but I can't remember what cartoon but I didn't make it up myself lol
My dad taught me Pak Mei when I was a kid. It's a really cool style, imo. Way cooler than Wing Chun. These days I'm a brown belt in BJJ.
Not gonna lie, "Silly Jamin" would be a legit name for a kung-fu action movie character.
Ranton seems to be a little ignorant of Bak Mei's rep lol. Bak Mei guys have broken plenty of jaws over the years. They do spar full contact, and bare knuckle, even with eye gouging in some schools.
When it comes to "exotic" hand strikes.... Southern Leopard hands, Tiger claw, and finger strikes are BRUTAL but you have to WORK on conditioning. It's not for beginners. That's why old school full contact Karate guys could kick with their toes without breaking them as they dig into a ribcage.
If you doubt Bak Mei's legitimacy, visit Dragonhouse MMA in San Francisco, California. Ask for Zhong Luo, the head coach. He's direct Foshan province Bak Mei, being the son of master Mai Yu Qiang.
Lmao, I remember trying to show my dad a pull I learned from Sanda, but my nails were too long and I scratched him pretty bad. In that moment I suddenly understood what the fuck tiger claws are all about.
@@peterwang5660 Lol indeed. I remember meeting Sifu Buck Sam Kong in Los Angeles years ago, and he demonstrated some chin'Na locks and tiger grips from Hung Kuen Gongfu. His palm "density" and grip strength was crazy.
People in today's TH-cam obsessed world really don't understand, not everything is gonna be conveniently shown on video clips online. But once you feel things like this firsthand, you find out real fast how real it can be.
The problem with attacks like that is that they usually don’t work against even an untrained aggressive opponent
A lot of it is down to teaching methods not necessarily styles that, _for some odd reason_, survived through violent eras in China. And yes, traditional styles _do_ evolve with the times.
This. I'm a student of Tung Kong Chow Gar Tong Long and i would encourage any doubters to visit Sifu Paul Brennan in Brisbane Australia and challenge him to a dual. See how you go.
He was taught to punch with his thumb on the inside 💀
I was taking lessons in Wing Chun and some Pak Mei way back in 1978 way before anybody knew what these were. These styles are great as an Ambush Defense when you are attacked No style is is going to give you an advantage against someone who is Physically Superior and prepared for you to defend yourself. P S close range styles are the only chance you have against someone Physically Superior to you. Size him and don't let him out of your control
"No style is is going to give you an advantage against someone who is Physically Superior and prepared for you to defend yourself"....uhhh...you must have missed UFC1 and the 30 years of martial arts development afterwards.
@@MrNictaxlord I don't know what you have been watching but in street fight size strength and youth matters unless your attacker is reay inept which is doubtful
@@jimwells9155 tell that to Royce.
I fight rugby/CrossFit white belts that have 40 pounds on me pretty much every week.
Size and strength matter a lot….as long as the skill difference isn’t an issue. Size and strength in the ground matters less than technical prowess.
If size and strength were the only thing that mattered strong men would be millionaire top fighters…But they are not.
However, when the difference in skill is not large, then yes, I agree. Strength matters a lot.
I love this guy. Hes the most cantankerous Shaolin guy ever.
There's one thing I've learnt from working as a bouncer many , many years ago is something that pretty much contradicts many things I hear from people regarding 'real life fighting': If you have the misfortune of getting into a fight with anyone in your life, be safe in the knowledge that 90% of the people you will get into it with ..CAN'T 'FIGHT'! You're probably NOT going to meet a Mike Tyson/Tyson Fury, you're probably NOT going to meet a Khabib Nurmagomedov/GSP and you're probably NOT going to run into a Gracie family member wanting to knock you out for spilling his beer in a pub. Basically, I've seen anything and everything used to fight anyone. Basically, it will boil down to your physical strength , endurance for pain, your size, fitness and usually most importantly your will to inflict pain and suffering on your opponent, which doesn't come easy for everyone. So I'm not particularly saying that a particular martial art is effective or ineffective, I'm saying that if you have those traits I mentioned and happen to know in this case 'Pak Mei' and your opponent is lacking in those aforementioned traits or has not developed them as much as you have and doesn't know what's coming...then yeah, Your Pak Mei will probably kick your opponents ass 🙂 You probably can get away with using any style to beat up your opponent with those traits...well...maybe not that crazy-ass jedi mind trick no touch kung fu shit!
Facts and well said, there's a reason why military focuses on the grab and elbow focused strikes like systema and keysi because they hit harder. Most of the flashy and quick strikes in martial arts movies when implemented in real life fights lack the blow to stagger opponents, it comes down to who downs who first and in street fights rules doesn't apply... it all comes down to endurance and power.
100% be stronger than the guy you're fighting because when it comes to exchange blows you'll each land one and the fight will either be over or you'll both be tangled up because someone will grab someone and with no ref to separate someone is getting thrown or you both go to the ground and the stronger guy (imagine simply fatter) will lay on top of you and you can't break free and have no angle for good punches while laying flat on your back.
@@ultramarsfinest1536 not that they won't necessarily have that power but logistically it makes sense to focus on grappling in the military since striking requires a lot more practice and likely has no place in a gun fight
The fact is this guy seem to Jean-Luc Lahaye 😭🤣🤣🤣💯
I really enjoyed this video, but I respectfully disagree with two things related to punches:
1) _fists work_ well... Ask a random dude to punch a boxing dummy or heavy bag and I'll bet that he'll hurt his hand! Even some trained boxers and kickboxer grossly overestimate their abilities, as they are way too reliant on their boxing gloves! If you don't believe me, why don't you do a little test at your own risk: find an open wooden door and punch it! Unlike a wall, it will give, but it will still suck! Compare this to using palm strikes, slaps, hammer fists, or elbow strikes and you'll quickly realize what you can use in a fight without gloves...
2) regarding the flat fists (leopard fist, I believe): I bet that I could punch someone in the temple, and perhaps even cave in his skull, but I wouldn't want to risk my fingers! There's one thing you should understand about hand shape. You can best illustrate it by folding up a cardboard box so that it has 4 layers. Hold it tight and let other people punch it. Even heavy-weight boxers are unlikely to be able to punch through it! However, those that can thrust with their open hand, or punch through a brick with the leopard hand, will be able to stick their arm through the cardboard! Just imagine what that means for punching someone into the guts, or worse the neck... Even though you won't be able to stick your hand into the body, it will cause tears, which can have serious consequences! However, the open hand thrust is the most likely to crumble on impact, while the palm strike has the least risk of failing upon impact. The leopard fist and regular fist naturally lie in between. The prior is a bit more of a high-skill technique, or should I say high-risk high reward maneuver? If successful, it does more damage, and you can sneak it under the jaw far more readily than a regular fist.
PS: breaking bricks is good for understanding what you can and can't do. However, you can overdo it. You can damage nerves and cause deformation of your bones, which eventually will cause you to suffer from reduced mobility and potentially chronic pain! It's a bit of a similar dilemma to how realistic do you want to train? Getting punched for real sucks and even headbutting a target will do accumulative damage to your brain! Getting KOed is a sign of brain injury! On the other hand, no sparring and never without gloves will give you a false sense of security and once you get hit and you're not used to it, your brain will shut down in panic!
Agreed - leopard fist (pau kune) is a powerful technique that has the potential to end fights quickly - that's why you see it in so many southern kung fu (and some Okinawan)styles. The challenging part is strengthening and conditioning your hands and wrists to use the technique with speed, power, and accuracy (without hurting yourself) - it can take years to do this. Once you get it down, you can confidently hit heavy bags, focus pads, and hard objects without thinking about it. Later on, you can even use it in sparring when working with someone you trust (and who trusts you). It's as fast as a jab but imparts more energy into a smaller surface area (than a 'regular' punch), so it has more penetrating power.
Anyone who sees the technique and calls it useless has never been hit by someone who does it well. The same can be said for phoenix eye strikes and other specialty hand techniques.
19:41 “Or THIS!!!”🤣🤣🤣
i would love if they add more styles to Sifu, like Wing Chun etc. And if they canet you select your own move set, if you beat the game once. So that would give you a reason to play again but with your own Styles.
There is (kinda) a game like that. It’s called absolver and it’s made by the same people that made sifu. It’s harder to get into tho.
The true meaning of kung fu is my students pay for my dinner.
The ip man fan boys forget that I Man learned some forms of Shaolin as well earlier in his career to make his kung-fu better. He also fought people with multiple styles to train more, that's what made him strong, not Wing Chun by itself.
Leung Bik as well is said to have deviated from GuLao village's Wing Chun by doing other systems.. Afte this father Leung Jan died, the younger brother is said to have built a wall to separate the brother's household from his own. Leung Bik did go to Hong Kong in later life.
Your videos are so entertaining that I have been watching them all day and haven't done shit around my house. Maybe I'll play Sifu and forget about it. Haha.
Have you reviewed Sifu? I'm obsessed, I can't stop playing it.
He's in the process
Had a wing chun told me that palm is more effective them fist. Is it true ?
The Wude got me acting up
I love how the guy at 2:25 writes half an essay on how Wing Chun is not useless in real fights, because he was able to defeat a whole group of people and even has the security footage to show it off!
I can't watch ranton without laughing
I'm dying at the wing chung jokes I'm dead.>.
I'm glad Ranton knows so much about professional fighting........ Oh wait!
"But wallah it works " had me break into laughter
It's funny that you say that a stance that involves your palms near your face is stupid when Shaolin Monks even do similar things in their training.
This guy is not qualified to review or criticize martial arts. He does not have an extensive background.
The fighting in Sifu is Pak Mei if they sparred every class instead of doing just drills.
In cantonese they called it Sifu, so i think thats where it stands
Dammmmmn gramps smokin on that zaza
Im practicing Wing Tsun for 4 years now and i can say that if you train hard alone and with your partners and learn from a master that can actually teach you good stuff, then yeah wing tsun works. BUT i am also practice kickboxing and want to go also to jiujitsu classes soon. I am a big fan of Bruce Lee and i relate that only practicing wing tsun especially from some random impostor is very dangerous.
I agree with you man.. I don't understand this hatred that Ranton has for southern styles. If you train hard, learn whatever you can from your master, and spar a lot, you will kick ass! I practice southern praying mantis and I actually find it very useful in real life situations.
@@מתןסבטי Praying mantis? Awesome, i want to learn that too. Chow Gar if im right?
I died at Mc Gregor's quotes 😂😂😂
There are many people who have adapted Wing Chun to work in a live situation without knowing ANY other martial art...including kickboxing. It's not delusional. Your martial art is as much as you put into it. Its delusional to think that if you train something specific that itll make you good at fighting. Its delusional to think that there is any martial art that is "good for any situation". Martial arts guys spend too much time watching fights and hanging out with other martial artists and regurgitating the same doctrines and 10 cent philosophies that they forget there is a whole world outside martial arts. Where a vast majority of people aren't trained to fight in an MMA cage. Or even know the slightest thing about martial arts. Nor care.
how to accidentally almost break your student's neck: 16:52
that 'landing' almost went wrong.
This is Futsan Pak Mei not CLC Pak Mei
The late Dr. Y.Q. Wong of Chattanooga, TN was a Bak Mei practitioner that would have hit this guy hard enough to make his heart stop. This guy is about as much of a fighter as Simone Biles is.
I would love to see him react to martial and weapon arts from around the earth.
I mean just him digging into the traditional French and Irish martial arts would be a treat. And I don't mean just savate and heavy drinking.
Stuff like: boxe franchise (a French mix of English boxing and savate), Canne de Combat, the Irish Dornalaiocht, Coraiocht and Bataireacht, the British Bartitsu and Defendu (actual honest to god karate chops), Keysi and so on.
Weird mixture of honest attempts at inventing a way of self defence, old traditions and outright idiocy.
And that's not even mentioning HEMA(Europe) and HAMA(African).
It's true that there is many European martial art and they are very good actually.
But I have this feeling that they are look down, like they are inferior against mma or kung fu, when in reality it's depend on the person who have experience in these type of fighting style.
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