Forget how it SOUNDS, Lets talk about this! | Galion TS120SE
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Your review went over the different modes in detail- without glossing over. I love that. Wish that more AV / HiFi equipment reviews were like this one.
Impressive and smart design! Can't wait to hear your impressions on this one!
This video is very well shot and explained in detail.
After watching your video , I find that it is very easy to operate .
Great job 😊👍
I am sweating!!!
Kudos to you!!!
so concerned for you, bruh. 😂
You should be
Hahaha, he’s gonna love it Thomas
BRILLIANT THOMAS 🤗👍💚💚💚
Man, you gotta give Thomas props on incorporating a fair bit of new or very rare technology into an integrated tube amp: truly is unique!!! And a Black Ice Fusion integrated?! I am SUPER curious to hear this, the Black Ice, Wellsington, and LTA!!!!
That comparison would be amazing!
Wow, beautiful operation. Really feature-packed looking amp!
Thomas built an amazing product! So excited you tubers are reviewing it now
Did he really build it?
@@christyscanyon8163 well obviously not putting it together himself but it’s his company and his design. The guys at Doge audio built it.
Great job with the tube biasing, that makes that so much easier to do.
Very cool demo! I have been waiting for solid reviews on the Thomas tank amp. Thanks Ron
Beast of a Tube Integrated amp !
So excited to hear your impressions !
Don't forget to hit the like button Pep !!
That was the best explanation I’ve heard so far regarding this tube amp. Great job!
Thanks man!
Can’t wait for your review. 😊
Thomas explained the A setting as analytical or sharply focused, which might mean higher negative feedback. The B setting likely has lower feedback. BTW the tone controls are narrow EQ bands with +/- 4 dB adjustment ranges.
Awesome, ty can't wait
100% correct dude, I'm not afraid to admit I've been intimidated by tubes for a long time because of the whole biasing thing. Great overview! Like.
That is brilliant. Much success to Thomas. I am glad you get to review the TS120SE
Question: running that amp in Class A, with so little breathing room under that wood shelf, how are the temperatures?
Thanks for what you do Ron. I cannot wait to see how you finish off your new space.
LOVE to see this here!!! Thanks Ron for taking on a product like this from within the community of enthusiasts / YT !!
I would love to see this inter-play between creators more than an advertising stream for the meglo-million dollar giants of production. ( imo )
Also .. I love your rack! built custom or bought as is?
Built it! Thanks man!
@@Newrecordday2013 - NICE!! .. yah .. I really like the hardware imlpimentation and space it creates for each level. Very nice. =)
Good info. Like the cap!
AYE RON. Watching this video rn. Thanks
Yes, the Doge 10 (that's Doesh, not Dodge) has the same functionality. I have the MKIII, based on a review and recommendation from Thomas. I like that it also has two Subwoofer connections, which many amps do not have. The tweaks that Thomas worked with Doge to incorporate into his version are cool too, like the tone control. Doge now is onto version 4, but I think the Gallion still has some differences., especially with some of the internal components It really is an impressive amp, and the best tube amp I have ever had. For me, it has the sound I like, and compared to McIntosh or Cary Audio and other similar, it's a fraction of the price.
I own the Doge 10 Integrated that is very similar to Thomas's creation. I love it! And I'm sure this new one is great as well. Good luck Thomas, I'm sure it'll be a raging success!
What's the price in DogeCoin, Thomas?
I like it, the remote control is a big plus
Truly amazing.
The back for me is far more impressive than the front because bias setting you can find on a few amps . The front is only special because of the tone controls ( don't like the knobs ...should have been silver metal ones and cone shaped )
The back is where it gets interesting , and don't understand why the official website even does not have a picture of that .
There is a TAPE OUT ....now that is unique for a tube int amp , now I can hook up my ReVox reel-to-reels & it has a SUB OUT which you can use as mono or stereo .
It’s like the Swiss Army knife of tube amps. Inspector gadget would be very proud! I would love to get my grubby little hands on one of them
It's almost like it was designed by someone who actually listens to a lot of music and knows what we need and want to make using a tube amplifier as easy and practical as any amplifier out on the market. I wish my tube amp had these features...and on a remote 😲😳
Maybe the manual says, but I'm wandering what fixed bias it sets it to for either A/AB? Coming from a guitarist, to bias my amps you'd plugin a tube sockets or bias points if the amp has them, then adjust Milliamps to certain range for certain powertubes/EL34/6L6/KT88/etc. Very cool product. Cannot wait to hear it. Rock on man!
Hi Ron, the "Auto" functions for Tube BAIS, Class A and Class AB switching are a Plus for Galion and maybe Thomas has learned from PrimaLuna EVO line that is the real deal on "Adaptive AutoBias", Triode/Ultra-Linear Switching seamlessly in real time (from remote) and Bad Tube Indicators thru Adaptive AutoBias that puts the Amp into protection mode (no service call), replace with a New Tube and you're off. Another PrimaLuna feature, you can run the Amp with EL34, 6550, KT66, KT77, KT88, KT90, KT120 and KT150's and if you like (not sure why) put any Tube into one of 8 slots (4 Tubes per Mono Design = 8 Tubes) and the Amp would AutoBias and run. I look forward to your review on Galion TS120SE.
Looks beautiful.
Great stuff, Ron. Anyone else think the front panel aesthetics hark back to the NAD 3020?
Thomas has built a fantastic tube amplifier.
It's all brilliant - makes me ask if Thomas is a engineer or just an enthusiast who knows what he wants + me I just would add balanced circuit plus one xlr and two unbalanced outs but then it would be my dream machine
Would love to get your take on comparing this w/ the BlackIce F35....
Great intro to Thomas's amp Ron. Great to see your content again. How is the audio man cave coming along? :)
I’m wondering if I can use the Hifiman Susvara headphones directly to the speakers’ output? Also, I intend to get a pair of bookshelves in my small room so I can use this amp as well. If so, which speakers would be recommended? My room size is only 4.25 L x 3.15 W x 2.48 H in meters (13’11” x 10’4” x 8’1”) with a work desk at one end and 2 rows of bookshelves (30cm / 11.8” depth) along the length. Please give me your recommendations.
Hola, a question please, how long do the tubes last approximately in time? gracias from Chile
Super cool the way that amp do Bias automatically
Love it. But why not have it bias automatically at startup? Why not have the single press of the class button enter "change mode" and auto-bias with one click. It feels performative to have multiple steps for a sequence that should not be altered.
Is there tube grill cover for protection for this amplifier. Please let me know.
just noticed your gear stand is there a video on it ?
How does this compare to the Wilsenton R8?
Black with chrome buttons...looks ✨️..classy...!
Very smart, indeed!
Please review the quicksilver audio integrated amplifier (also their headphone amplifier if you can)
HOW do you Bias the 4 front small tubes i can adjust on my Cayin amp you didn't mention it
Preamp tubes don’t need to be biased.
Well, no I've never heard of this brand (maybe it had not been available in California). It looks stylish, well thought out & solid. The pricing was a bit confusing, since he sets up a "deposit" before final payment, but finished product pricing seems reasonable. (I was fortunate to grab a Primaluna amp at a closeout price & have been happy with it for many years.)
The PrimaLuna is in another league to Real Auto BAIS and Tube failure mode and Sound with a selection of Tubes.
I kinda like using the meter and manually biasing the tubes.
Like the meter over LED'S.
But doesn't mean I don't want this!
Thank you.
“Pretty soon” kinda past already. Will you post your follow up any time soon???
That's a very good looking amp Thomas! The auto bias is really cool as well! Nice work! So are you going to do an Oprah give away?😜 Smash that like button guys! 👊
Nice amp. Changes in wattage? How about just saying power, which would be proper.
In class A, the tubes operate between class AB push-pull and single-ended class A. This lowers the output impedance and thus increases the current.
Now available in Amazon 😄 ?
One thing I find odd about this amp after reading the manual is that you should not lift it from the side panels as they are wood and attached with small screws and might break off. I think it would be extremely awkward especially with tubes inserted to move the amp around if one had to grasp it from the front where all the knobs and controls are and the back where all of the inputs etc. are. I suppose if it was always placed on an open shelf top with nothing above or on the side this wouldn’t be as big an issue. Just seems like an odd compromise when so much thought was given to the other aspects of the amp. With all of the space age adhesives and fastening techniques available seems like this could’ve been avoided.
Why is the bias not automatic?
THANKS RON, FOR SHARING THIS AND MAKING THOMAS SWEAT 😅,…a little 😁💚💚💚
I saw your doppelgänger on dirt tracker you tube channel
I want one.
Ron, I think you need to do a little more research as you indicated, the features you so admire are by Mr. Zey LIU of Doge Audio and are a standard feature of their Doge 10 amplifier. Credit to Thomas, he took the Doge 10 and had it tweaked to his requirements, but it's still a Doge 10. Doge have also made some nice improvements on their new version around bias class and operations. For all the China haters, why didn't you come up with this design and quality build? This product and the Doge products are very clever and innovative, all credit to the original designer, regardless of origin.
You can see a lot of thought went into this amplifier. With the R and D how much thought went into longevity/ reliability. Time will tell of course but with complexity can come higher failure rates. Not saying this is the case but maybe Thomas can chime in on how these were designed for reliability as well. 10:08
Couldn't you just have it auto bias whenever you switch amp types?
Or
Do away with the "Change" button completely and just press the bias button after you switch from A to AB?
Seems like a step or 2 could be bypassed, but I know nothing about how this stuff works and what's necessary
LMAO - you want to make Thomas wait. aahahhahah
If one is OK with electronic circuits automatically adjusting the bias, why not just implement a continuous real-time adaptive autobias circuit like some other tube amps do? PrimaLuna, Mystere, and VAC are well known tube amp companies that offer some tube amps with such adaptive autobias circuits. The Galion TS120SE's bias method seems like an unnecessarily complicated mash-up between manual bias adjustment and adaptive autobias. Perhaps one could call it semiautomatic bias adjustment.
To be clear, when I say autobias I am not referring to the cathode bias technique that some manufacturers call auto bias or self bias. As detailed below, there are drawbacks to the cathode bias technique which makes manual bias adjustment as well as real-time adaptive autobias adjustment preferable to cathode bias.
The most common cathode bias implementation passes the cathode current through a resistor connected between the cathode and the negative side of the plate voltage supply. The cathode current through this resistor causes the desired voltage drop across the resistor and places the cathode at a positive dc voltage equal in magnitude to the negative grid bias voltage required. The grid circuit puts the grid at zero volts dc relative to negative side of the plate voltage supply, causing the grid voltage to be negative with respect to the cathode by the required amount. Directly heated cathode circuits connect the cathode bias resistor to the center tap of the filament transformer secondary or to the center tap of a low resistance connected across the filament.
PrimaLuna points out that although the cathode bias method works, a large amount of power is wasted as heat generated by the current through the resistor, which reduces the power that the amp can provide to the speakers. PrimaLuna states that an amp that has 35 watts when you use adjustable bias will typically give you 20 watts with cathode bias. Over 33% of the amp’s power goes up in heat through a huge resistor.
Real-time adaptive autobiasing uses sensors to constantly monitor the performance of each power tube. That data is supplied to active circuitry that adapts instantly and continuously to keep the tube within its linear operating tolerances, regardless of the age or condition of the tube. With real-time adaptive autobiasing there is no power sucking, heat generating resistor in the cathode current circuit.
The real-time adaptive autobiasing technique has been around for about two decades. PrimaLuna first incorporated it into some of its products in 2003.
Why not have it auto bias when the mode is changed? That is a lot of rigamarole that an MCU should be doing.
My thoughts exactly. It could be designed to perform bias in the background. Most people like gadgets though. It’s interesting but all I want to do is turn my tube amp on and off.
The term Japanese term Poka-yoke can refer to any behavior-shaping constraint designed into a process to prevent incorrect operation by the user.
Could be that it would be too costly to develop and implement that technology into this amp?
@@franknelissen8041 I seriously doubt it would take much. I tend to think it was designed to appeal to people who like gadgetry and find it unique, which it certainly is. It would likely take fewer parts and perhaps be slightly less costly if it were completely automated. But, that would make it less unique and likely dampen its appeal somewhat.
@@ronniefranks4351 could be that it is easy to design. But since it’s based on the Doge 10 they just copied and pasted that existing design most likely.
I agree with you that maybe some people like all the button touching but it just looks “unnecessarily complicated” and it makes it so easy to mess up the right order of button presses.
I’m very proud of Thomas shifting from reviewer to manufacturer. This is built by Doge for Thomas?
I take reviews with a big grain of salt after I bought those POS Tekton speakers especially when reviewers are profiting from them.
So why do you want to go through all that trouble switching from A to A/B. Sorry, I'm not a tube guy, so what's the benefit?
A to AB is amplification. You can switch from class A or class AB amplification. Two different sound signatures allows for great flexibility depending on your tastes or mood.
@@hificave OK, I see, (I think?) thanks!
You don’t have to be a tube guy. A versus AB is even more common with solid state amplifiers. The greatest usual benefit of AB over A is simply the ability to increase the watts (output). If you want more output power from this amplifier, you will choose AB. If you listen at low volume and/or desire the (usual) tonal benefit of class A, then you will choose A.
@@DynissRainer Thanks for that Dy, I've never heard class A either way.🙃
The sound quality will not be an issue. In this day and age of quality parts and tested designs coupled with Chinese labor, you could build a sonic masterpiece for upwards of 6 grand.
Most Chi-Fi tube amps cut corners on both parts and design. Find the ones like Doge who cut fewer.
You can keep it
Shout out to Thomas and shout out to your beard. You have special genes mine won’t exceed 3 cms.
BuTTon!!!
É o Doge 10 modificado. OEM.
open it up !
I’m gonna work harder and eat more ramen to get a Galinon SE.
For those watching this : Klipsch or Triangle ?
Very nice machine, but, can you have one if you also have a Cat ?🐈⬛
Om not gonna lie as impressive as the features set and ITS COST is this amp isn't a looker for me..and I love Thomas too, but it looks like a plain in my system
Never hurts to be...biased...lol..!
Hey man! What the heck?! Weren't you supposed to shave? ;)
This is a day after shaving it off.
We are waiting…and Thomas is sweating…..
Hope you've got a porch to go with that beard ;-)
Shame that Freya N review will probably never see the light of day
What makes you say that?
@@Newrecordday2013 They discontinued that preamp. It’s being sold now at 599.00 until there gone.
lol, explain that to my wife, what are you waiting for???
Stop teasing ;-) don’t make Thomas sweat and suffer ;-)
Or you can get a prima Luna that will just Auto bias for you:-) just saying
I’ve been meaning to reach out them and check out their amps.
Nice. Let's see the guts...
Its But-ton, not Buh-un
too rich for me. if i was at that class of income, i would absolutely pick one up.
The word button actually has T's in it. Just saying
interested in the differences with negative feedback.no feedback is generally viewed as favorable by purists.
Just another amp for a mere $4k. Not sure what these guys did make all their money but don't know many middle class people who can just drop 3-10k on equipment all the time
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Too complicated. I'll stick with my Red Dragons.
This appears to be basically a slightly tweaked Doge 10 with a fancier French name for 2x the price. Pass.
I actually feel like this might be a fair criticism without knowing what the tweaks are and what all has been upgraded. I’ll figure it all out and report back.
@@Newrecordday2013 FWIW, according to Doge, the Doge 10 is 95% identical to the Galion. My guess is some capacitors got upgraded based on what’s highlighted on the Galion product page of their website. Worth the price differential? Not to me.
This amp has nothing on primaluna amps/preamps. They auto bias almost any tube you put in it and you don’t have to do anything! They’ll also tell you if a tube is bad or not.
nothing special
It’s a Doge 10 with a few fancy caps