When I first saw this video's title, I thought "Oh no... am I going to strongly disagree with Bahamian Gal?" But I found this take very nuanced and I'm very sympathetic to so much of what you said. You provide a very mature take here. Well done.
I freely admit I posted that before I finished the video. Not that I disagree now that I'm at the end! I have mixed feelings on terminating people who supported Hamas, even when they said they were supporting Palestine. Like, the meme of the paraglider terrorist and "I stand with Palestine." I think they stand with Hamas. In 2020, people got fired for not agreeing with some of the more radical things their organizations were saying. It's a powerful tool for moving the Overton Window. If our society is structuring itself such that terrorism is cheered and Jews are hated, I think it's fair for those of us who think that's unacceptable to exact a cost to try and hold the line on what's acceptable, socially. I don't think anyone in the USA should go to jail or be deported for supporting Hamas. And, if they genuinely support Palestine, there's really nothing too controversial about that. I personally don't think Hamas gives a damn about the Palestinians. Neither did Fatah. So many Palestinian leaders had chance after chance for a two state solution and over and over again, they said, "No." The fighting will not go on forever. I think it can be solved, and it's not Jew vs. Palestinian. 1/5th of Israel is populated by Arabs who like living in a democracy. They even have a political party with influence. Life is very good for them in Israel, better than it would be unless they were royalty in just about any other part of the Middle East. If someone took power in Gaza and said, "You have a right to exist, we respect your borders and the lives of your people, please respect ours, and we will work to regain trust bit by bit until we can be good neighbors," and if Israel could keep its radicals from "settling" in Gaza territory, this would gradually come to a peaceful end. As long as barbarians like Hamas have power, it's going to be terrible for everyone.
Thank goodness I’m not alone lol I’m a new subscriber and was like “awe man and I thought this lady was smart” but watched anyway and glad I did, I’m still subscribed lol This woman is very intelligent, I shouldn’t have 2nd thought her 💯 We need more of women like her, seems like common sense isn’t so common anymore in America 🙄
To your point on what Ackman said, YES, people are entitled to their right to say whatever they like, AND these CEOs have every right to refuse to hire anyone they choose if they find their views to be absolutely repugnant, and these students chose to make theirs VERY public. Our ‘free speech’ is protected from government reprisal, but *not* from the rest of the public. The performative little shits (the students) should have known better. 🤷🏽♀
@@EdgarAllanJo That's the part people seem to not realize, we're free to make choices but not free from the consequences. Being older we learned that lesson early as no one was going to save us from our own stupidity. We were taught right from wrong & we were told to keep our opinions to ourselves or suffer what may come from running our mouths. I feel lucky that we didn't have social media back then though we still felt the blowback from those around us. Many of these in college settings seems so filled with hate & they feel allowed to direct at certain groups without consequences. They're finding out in the real world there are rules & your opinion isn't the only opinion or the right opinion for that matter. These are the same people who have no mercy on people who said something 10 or more years ago so perhaps its time to learn about real life.
@@auburnstar27 Precisely. That’s why myself and the vast majority cannot be bothered to feel an ounce of sympathy for those students because they are the same sanctimonious, moral exhibitionists who proudly celebrate cancel-culture and ruining others lives for wrong-think and wrong-speak. They are reaping what they sow.
Thank you Rogan for having & making so much sense, unfortunately so many people are so ready to discount the hurt, grief and needs of others until and unless it involves them! PRAYERS FOR ISRAEL, PALESTINE, GAZA & OUR WORLD AT LARGE . . . WE CAN DO BETTER!!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Amen to that. The conditions in Gaza are an outrage. These people have been left, thrown under the bus, caught in a web of push and pull not of their making and probably not of their wishes, desires or demands. And not only this outrage, but that also they are not allowed to displace themselves to a place of safety? That their only usefulness is as collective collateral human damage? That is beyond an ultimate insult. But then. If they are indeed Muslim, and fellow-believers: They are surrounded by oceans of fossil wealth all owned by fellow-Muslims. Arabs, Persians. Many millions of vaults' worth of wealth - none of which is forthcoming to ease their misery. Because it is their misery itself that is the stitching on that political football booted around this holy land. That is what is necessary. It is written. And agreed upon by the powerful, so powerful that this power could change their lives practically overnight. But it has never been available.
@@burleybater What so many people fail to understand is that a large part of Gaza's suffering is because they voted for Hamas as their leaders, And Hamas has always said they will never accept the existence of Israel. If Israel just took down the blockade then they would constantly be attacked.
Employers already had been firing or not hiring people from opinions. Look at how many people who said something on social media and got fired for it before this. It's just that these people are finding out when they don't support the popular opinion what happens to them. Sometimes just really bad jokes is all it takes and not even opinions.
I do not believe in people being fired for voicing an opinion. However the minute an opinion holds the potential to cause others harm then an opinion needs to challenged. The situation in the Middle East at the moment is a very complex and nuanced one and we who live half a world away need to be very careful in how we express our views. It can often be more harmful to offer an uninformed opinion rather than remaining quiet. Before making a comment either way do your research and be very careful how you express yourself. Remember you do not want to be the person who triggers another to behave in a dangerous manner.
@@JacobSteinberg75 I come from a point of view that has been formed by my experiences working with offenders. It would be inappropriate for me to mention the particular case I had in mind. But surely it is common sense to hold your own counsel on that which you do not fully understand. And I am very much of the opinion that my free speech is only free up to the point where it has the potential to cause another human harm, that is when I hold my tongue. We all have to share this planet and it seems to me that some have a little too much to say whilst sitting safely behind their keyboards. Too many feel it’s okay to go out on to the streets of of countries far away from the issues at hand and shout the odds and I believe that many of those who currently protest about a multitude of things do so in order to play to the gallery. In this social media obsessed world it’s all about the clicks. When I was a young woman and we protested there was genuine jeopardy. I do not get that sense today. There are so many disenfranchised people in the world that nobody ever mentions. There are so many violent flash points in the world that rarely make it into the media and often only do so when it suits our modern media or someone’s political agenda. There are currently 32 armed conflicts happening around the world I signpost you to the UN report that in 2017 over half a million people worldwide were killed and this is homicide nothing whatsoever to do with war in 2017 there were 89,000 killed in active combat and 19,000 in terrorist attacks. Sorry but I’m off to work so don’t have time to look up more recent data you have a good day.
Hello, stopping by to let you know that I had to click through 2 warnings just to be able to watch this video. This is fair and balanced content and it's upsetting that your video has been labeled.
Hi there. Thank you for watching. I know. TH-cam has totally screwed me over. I appealed several times, yet, it remains restricted. TH-cam is quite unfair at times. I have seen other videos that are absolutely egregious being published without restrictions. Do me a favor and share the video so people can watch it. That's the only way it will be seen. Thank you!
Everyone is subject to moral judgment. No exceptions. So, I agree. But, make sure you are passing judgment fairly. Because some of the media aren't even calling Hamas a terrorist group.
One thing that I can't discount when considering someone being cancelled or blackballed, is that these very students who faced this were the very people who promoted such against those who disagreed with them.
Insightful monologue and so much to unpack. First, Human Resource departments routinely check social media as a part of determining "fit" for the company. Nothing new here. 2nd. I heard 1/3 of Israels's population is Palestinian. Is that true? 3rd: the historic conditions in Gaza are shameful. I blame Egypt, Turkey, and other Arab countries for allowing Hamas to perpetuate these conditions. If these countries didn't care about the people before, then why all of a sudden are they willing to go to war over them now? Why don't they say to the world and Israel, that THEY will find the perpetrators responsible for the masacre and hand them over to Israel? Or hang them, I don't care. Why don't Arab countries condemn the masacre in the strongest terms. I'm not super pro-Israel, but I am human and believe Israel has a right to retaliate.
Regarding companies not hiring based on personal opinion is difficult. There may come a day when saying “Christian Beliefs” will have the same consequences ( it’s already happening)
I mean, at least in America, that has been and continues to be kinda true. I mean it is really only recently that Catholics are kinda accepted. There are many sects of Christianity and some of them do hold rather vile views. So trying to put them all under one umbrella feels kinda... odd. Have a blessed day.
As far as the billionaire saying to post the names of the students who signed that letter, it's actually a good thing. For those who immediately took their names off, because it's Harvard, I'm assuming it was their parents who told them to remove their names. People send their children to Harvard mostly for networking and name recognition. If they get blacklisted for something like this, all that goes away. I only worked in a factory all my life and even they didn't like people with "attitude problems". Companies want to hire people to come in and make them money, not bring unwanted attention to them which could unfavorably cause others to look at the company thus affecting their bottom line. As you probably remember as a student it is a time in your life where it is very easy to grab on to any cause no matter what it is and become extremely passionate about it causing you to want to get involved in all sorts of ways. However at this age people have never had to face actual consequences for any of their actions and are even coddled for bad behavior on behalf of some cause that they think that they believe in. A person trying to run a company can look at these people and say "do I really want to deal with someone like this"? I'm a free speech absolutist (which is illegal in Canada) I believe that people should be able to say anything at all excluding threats of violence. However when you say controversial things you also must realize that it can polarize you from others. Possibly these students might be able to think, actually sit down and think, that if I shut up and don't react on something that I can't do anything about, that I also won't alienate myself as far as opportunities in the future. Maybe they can try and do something such as donating to the cause or organize food and clothing drives to help the side they're on. These things are not negative and actually it would show a prospective employer that you have the drive and determination to help others who are living through the turmoil caused by either side. I live in Toronto, Canada and there was protests that in my opinion weren't exactly peaceful and showed some atrocious behavior as well. There was people getting arrested also. Was it free speech? Sure. Was it stupid? Very. It showed people that they celebrated the slaughter of innocent people. If I saw my neighbor celebrating this, I would be very hard pressed to speak with him again as he just showed how much he valued human life. I'm fine with him saying these things and it's his revolting right to celebrate the slaughter but I don't have to associate with him. Good show Rogan.
This was an excellent take. I really enjoyed reading your comments. So, thank you. I think the contents of those students' letter was bonkers, especially at a time like this. I think they would have been criticised even if they hadn't written the letter, but rather took up donations for Palestine. While it would have been a good effort with good intentions, I ust know that people would have questioned why they were using their resources to help those folks. This is a very sensitive topic and time. Everyone seems to be on edge. I don't think those students' minds would have changed had that CEO not issued that threat. Also, not sure if you saw it, but apparently, the Harvard students' names and pictures were plastered on a billboard truck. Sheesh.
This is one of the most thoughtful, balanced discussions about this that I’ve heard yet. Thank you for putting peace, calmness, and heart felt sympathy out into the world.
innocent blood has been shed on both sides and it really is unfortunate. but do remember we don't get the truth until 10-20 years later. I think Europe should give them a motherland somewhere where their presence would be welcomed. kind of difficult to take someone's land away from them and gift it to someone else giving them no say in the matter.
maybe Italy Rome kicked them out 2000 years ago in the first place or maybe Germany. but this is about religion Christian zionist who ironically are the most anti Semitic .they want armageddon and "Jesus "to come back and murk everybody smh
Well, it wasn’t welcomed in Europe in the mid-20th century. And it was their land from 3000 years ago. There was no such identity as Palestinian for non-Jews until the 1960s.
@rachelforshee6014 philista land of the philistines ancient Gaza translated by the Roman's to palestina try again palestine is the modern name. now your border line pushing it look up Semitic people don't just mean jews
My advice to anyone looking for work is to be careful when you put any opinion online under your own name. If you need to express something, use an alias. If you are at an interview, and are somehow asked a politically charged question such as this, remind the employer that your goal is to support the goals of the company you are interviewing with. If asked, I answer, "I'm here to help your company achieve its financial goals. What I believe is irrelevant as long as I am on your time and on your payroll. When I have a company of my own, then I can say whatever I want. Until then, I am to follow the guidelines set forth in your company policy." STAY AWAY FROM ANY CONTROVERSIAL TOPICS!
The thing about this conflict is that when you look at it in silos (i.e. the 10/7 massacre, the gaza hospital bombing, the west bank settlements) It’s very black and white. But when you look at the full picture of this conflict dating back to the pre-roman era when the land was know as Judea till current days there’s so much nuance that u can’t really point fingers or blame any single party. I’ve personally chosen not to publicly speak on this topic on my platforms because 1. I have friends and family on both sides who’re deeply affected by this conflict. 2. i see both sides and given the current climate no one is trying to hear that especially my friends and family being impacted. I’ve personally chosen to support them buy listening to their grievances and not pushing back even if i don’t always agree with their stance (i.e my isreali friend sometimes sends me videos that’s clearly propaganda but i don’t say anything because in the same breath she’s having to hide with her 2 year old daughter in a bunker in the middle of the night because hamas is firing rockets at Tel Aviv and needless to say she’s scared shitless + she has loved ones that were kidnapped or killed on 10/7). I genuinely think both governments are disgusting. Hamas os dumb and they put the nail in the people of Gaza’s coffin when they attacked Israel, but the Israeli government got comfortable oppressing the Palestinians with their military might and not considering the consequences.
I’m so sorry for what your friends are going through. It’s hard to even fathom. I hope they see through the propaganda soon. It must be nearly impossible to do that when in survival mode. It’s almost impossible to do when the media pushes us mentally into that fight or flight mode. That’s how it works. It activates the reptilian mind then we’re easy af to control. But your friends are physically in a survival situation. God willing they find peace and safety as soon.
The conflict was started by hamas, why people don't go against them? I'm sure they have accounts on social-medias, like Facebook or Twitter. They hosted both for years.
THE CONFLICT WAS STARTED BY ISRAELI SETTLERS IN 1941. SINCE THEY SET FOOT ON THAT LAND THEY HAVE RAPED, PILLAGED, KILLED, ROBBED, DISPLACED AND MANY MORE CRIMINAL THINGS TO PALESTINIANS. THEY HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE BIGGEST OPEN AIR PRISON IN THE WORLD ALSO CAUSED BY ISRAEL. A week or two before October seventh more than 400 “rabbis” stormed the Al Aqsa mosque completely destroying everything inside it and then flooding it. They were driving tanks into neighborhoods and shooting at children who are playing outside. And bulldozing homes in the neighborhood. COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED. My friend was out there right before the war and sent be these videos. I saw Israeli soldiers shooting children that are no older than 6 or 7. HOW THE FCK CAN ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE EVEN TRY TO JUSTIFY THAT. I’ve been trying to post those videos on TH-cam but they get removed every time I put them up. Hamas was wrong to kill people but put yourself in their shoes and genuinely think about what you would do if you kept getting provoked time and time again, if you had your children killed and your home bulldozed. You don’t have to answer me but genuinely think about it. NO BODY DESERVES WHAT PALESTINIANS ARE GOING THROUGH
The conflict ALREADY STARTED BEFORE HAMAS ALREADY BORN! ALL THANKS BECAUSE YOUR WESTARDS ANCESTORS & NAZIS KICKED YOUR WHITE JEWISH ZIONISTS TO MIDDLE EAST SINCE 1948....
Haha...They have been putting these advisories on a lot of channels ralking about the war. It is definitely discouraging viewers. Plus, this video is being shown in limited capacity. I got a notification from TH-cam.
We've been saying for the longest that THEY are in charge. You can't stand against THEM without backlash. You can stand against anyone else and be fine.
If you've reached adulthood without understanding how to differentiate between Hamas and the Arabians in Gaza, and express yourself in a way that clearly shows you understand the difference, you will end up supporting savagery and the consequences are all on you.
Oh wow, I strongly disagree. In fact, I believe one of the TOUGHEST and most complicated aspects of this entire debacle stems from the inextricably linked Hamas-Gazan citizen relationship. It seems you, and many others (specifically liberals and young people) are under the impression that Hamas is some separate street gang that operates completely isolated from the residents in Gaza. When in fact Hamas is elected by the people, supported by the people, celebrated by the people, and represents the people. Even if the citizens are not actively engaged in combat, they ideologically support the purpose of Hamas. Do you really believe that if Hamas disappeared, and we were only left with the citizens, that they would be amiable or peaceful? The answer is no. They don't want to live in peace, because their idea of "peace" is the result of the holy war. They must annihilate all non-muslims. You do know this right? This is not some extreme, radical weird thing I am stating. This is DIRECTLY from the tenets of the religion and the practice f it culturally. So, while Westerners over here protest and cry for the lives of these people- you just need to realize that they hate you and would have you dead if they could.
Your comment leads me to believe that you really don't understand this conflict. This is not a religious war. This is a war based on land. Palestinians are permanent refugees. Did you know that Palestnians were displaced from their land, and were not allowed back after the war finished? Many were killed when they tried to return. Civilians. If you were forced from your land, and stuck in a 20 mile plot of land that you couldn't leave, where the water, transportation, and electricity was controlled by an occupying power, you'd elect whoever you could that promised that they'd fight your oppressors. "They must annihilate all non-muslims." Do you realized that Christians live in Gaza? There are Christian Churches in Gaza. Palesnians and Isralis used to live together in peace before zionsts declaired Palestne an israli state the monment the British mandate expired. @@SquirtlePower809
@@JacobSteinberg75 your comment leads me to believe that you don't understand this conflict and have relied on bits of social media to tell you what to think lolz. Just the fact that you believe "Palestinians" were removed from "their" land already tells me that you don't know the history of the region AT ALL lolz. So typical.
Palestinans were living in Palestne, and were displaced after the war in 1948 by the Isralis who had declared Palestne a jwish state, and created the state of Isral. About 750,000 Palestnans--over 80% of the population were expelled or fled from their homes and became refugees. Thousands of Palestinians were killed in dozens of massacres. About a dozen r@pes of Palestnians by regular and irregular Israli military forces have been documented, and more are suspected. Palestnians refer to this as the Nakba, and Isralis call it the Israli war of independence. Yes, I know exactly what i'm talking about.
A very fair and balanced video, especially on a subject that brings out so much emotion. I do have to say though I support Israel in this. What was done to them last Saturday was absolutely unspeakable and I have seen a lot of support for the Palestinian people being mixed with admiration for the actions of Hamas and an overall current of “Israel brought this on themselves” which I found totally abhorrent. Obviously I don’t want any innocent civilians in Palestine to suffer of be killed but with Hamas in control of Gaza I don’t think Israel has a choice but to respond and attempt to fully destroy that organisation. I feel like the biggest enemy of the people of Gaza isn’t Israel it’s Hamas. Hamas have been the ones who have been totally unmoving in their rejection of any form of a two state solution despite the numerous efforts of Israel to offer concessions over the past 3 decades. The people of Gaza will never have peace until the oust Hamas but I can’t see that happening unfortunately.
I agree. I was disgusted by what happened on October 7th. i got very emotional seeing the footage and images. I was also so upset seeing all of the online support for Hamas. Innocent people lost their lives and are being tortured.
War crimes have been committed by both sides, and I think the international community has to acknowledge that and act accordingly. I don't think that the US should be sending military aid to Israel for the sole reason that it's being used inappropriately and against international rules on war crimes. That said Hamas has been labelled a terrorist organization for a reason and the attack on Oct. 7 was incorrigible. I am really surprised by the Americans who are calling this justified. Americans were right to go to war with Japan in WW2 but at the same time we can call the internment camps criminal and a gross violation of human rights. Israel "brought this on themselves" due to its expansionist policies between 1948 through the 1980s, and Netanyahu is a bad actor in my book. That said it's dishonest to treat the actions of the contemporary Israeli government as an extension of the government of the past. It seems like people expect Israel to just give the land back, but the result of that would be a resettling of millions of Jewish people, which would be a humanitarian issue all on its own.
@@ThisBahamianGyal true free speech means accepting that a lot of speech is repugnant, but ppl have the right to say it regardless without fear of being fired. It’s easy to defend things you agree with but hard to defend things you find disgusting, but being principled is not easy. If you think it’s wrong for conservatives to be fired for having “anti trans” or “racist” or “fascist” opinions, then it’s also wrong to fire leftists for “anti-Semitic” opinions
The war itself is truly a tragic one, but there's nothing any of us can really do, I stand with both the people of Israel and Palestine who are against Hamas.
Thank you for this great video. This has been one of the few calm videos trying to attend this matter. I can see why; the middle east has experienced a downwards spiral of violence for more than 7 decades now and emotions run wild when talking about this. We need ´more people like you. We need more empathy and humility when talking about these kinds of things, but thats just my humble opinion.
Get fired (or not hired) for a political opinion will increase the polarization. That's a problem. Isreal made a lot of mistakes in the past. But in the actual war I blame only the Hammas so far. Supporting Palestine looks like supporting terrorism or warcrimes. It's coming else than an opinion.
I stay out of the debate over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on social media, because no matter what you say and how carefully you word your post, someone is going to misinterpret it (deliberately or not). (This is of course assuming that you're trying to speak rationally rather than spread misinformation or anger). If you can handle that and argue effectively, good for you! I recognize that I'm not that kind of person (yet, at least). I will talk about it in person with people I trust, who know me and won't accuse me of arguing in bad faith or label me "anti-" one group because I have compassion for the innocents in the other group.
When people express opinions that are not mainstream, the public at large may associate them with the company that hired them. Companies are looking out for themselves.
I’ve read quite a bit about what has gone on in the area. For that reason I can’t support either side (the countries that is), but I don’t support Hamas. What they did was cowardly & has caused a lot of violence against the people they are supposed to support. There are innocent victims on both sides. As far as students signing support for one side or another or gone to protest / marches - you should have known better. The private sector has every right not to hire you, but you will probably find some company that either have the dames views or doesn’t care. So, getting black-balled by some of the elite companies / corporations is not a total loss - just don’t expect great jobs starting out from college. I have no pity for them. If you bowed to peer pressure- if they go & jump off a cliff are you going to?
I don’t remember the date but, I remember hearing on the news Gaza would be governed by Hamas. I knew then this would be bad. I am heartbroken for the Israeli victims. For those who were slaughtered and for those who are being held captive. As time goes on I also know hope for their safe return diminishes. I also have sympathy’s for the victims in Gaza who are suffering daily as they try to survive. Hamas lit the fuse for both events on October seventh. They knew Israel would knew Israel would respond with everything they had and more. It was Hamas who opened this can of whoopass! And I can’t see an end to this just yet.
I agree with you 100% I think it is horrible anyone celebrating what Hamas did is awful, this were regular civilians and innocent women and children, there is no word to describe but a monster who beheads an innocent child. I dont blame Israel for fighting back and retaliating what did they think was going to happen.
So you don't blame Isral for the fact that over 11,500 children have died? What about for the fact that they have bombed hospitals and schools? Or that they cut off power, water, and electricity, and massacred over 100 people trying to get food just a few days ago? Or the fact that they have sniped babies, Christians, and civilians? At what point does it become more than just "self defence?"
Thank you for making this video, as someone from Middle East it fascinates me that people from the West are losing their jobs just from supporting Palestine while in here not supporting Palestine would be the abnormal thing.
It's worth noting that the legal framework for hiring is different than the laws for terminatiin...they are not equal and it's a lot easier to not hire.
What's happening on that side of the world is nothing short of tragic. As for myself, I do not stand with or for Palestine nor do I stand with or for Israel. But what I do stand with and for is PEACE. I hope and pray that some day, whatever their differences may be, that they find it. Find it before there's not a single piece of anything left to even consider the peace that could be. Another bomb dropped, another piece of peace decimated, Another bullet striking an innocent child, another piece of future peace laid to rest. A city that has gone from vibrant to violent and at the rate that things are going, soon to be vacant. As far as the blackballing/listing goes, there are other ways to go about it. To send out a public statement stating that a company will not hire those who think a certain way teaches those that do think that way absolutely nothing. Like those who willingly withdrew their names from the list because they thought it would infringe upon future opportunities. They have learned nothing because they have lost nothing. Remember, shaving the fur off of a wolf does not make it not a wolf anymore. Hire them, let them become comfortable in their new position, then release them from their duties upon the auspices of not conforming to the core values of the company's standards. Just my take on it lol. Great video Rogan!!! What di wybe iz 🇧🇸🇧🇸🇧🇸
Loved how balanced and sympathetic to both sides this was! I do wanna give my two cents about one thing. As a Jew, I definitely agree it is not necessarily Anti-Semitic to oppose Israel. However, Hamas's words and actions on October 7th (that don't speak on behalf of the Palestinian civilians) seem pretty hateful towards Jews.
Sadly money that is sent for aid to Gaza has been taken from them by Hamas. It's so heartbreaking and they can't change it without help. But how do we help them if they are being harmed by what they call their government. 😢😢
Hamas is in charge of Gaza. They are the elected government. Where else was it gonna go? Directly to the people who are being used as bombs themselves?? Be for real right now.
Did you know that Israel controls the money that Hamas receives? Or that Isral is actively blocking food trucks and aid trucks from getting into Gaza? Why do you think the US is now air dropping food and aid into gaza?
Thank you for speaking about this in a sensible, well thought manner. I've seen people on both sides of the debate: either vehemently defending the blacklisting threat or denouncing it entirely. I, for one, agree with you. I think the people (and those students) who seem to have blindly decided to put their names to that cause deserve some kind of repercussion, or at least to understand that there very well could be repercussions in the future. Actions have consequences, and a large part of society seems to fail to understand that, because they haven't had to face any yet. They need to know that one day they probably will. At the same time I also agree that the manner by which the blacklist statement was handled could have been better. As dumb as it is to blindly follow the hive mind and put your faith and support in the wrong place, it shouldn't result in young people losing any opportunities they may have had in the future. People learn, perceptions change, and we all grow from our experiences and the dumb things we did growing up. Most people in college are still figuring themselves out. They should face consequences for their thoughtless actions. Those consequences should not determine the course of the rest of their lives.
I agree with you 100% You should see me over here nodding along to your comments. I agree with everything you said. College is a time of self-discovery and figuring things out. They may be legal adults, but, they are still kids...at least to me. I am sure they will proceed with caution moving forward. But, I don't want people so afraid that they don't stand for something. Today, it may be about Israel and Palestine, tomorrow it eill be something else.
It makes me so glad I grew up in the age of dial up, chat rooms, and AIM. Social media wasn't really a thing until I was in college, and it wasn't weaponized back then.
Can I ask though, what occupation? before "Palestine"(which was under the BRITISH OCCUPATION, yes, when an actual occupation has existed) it was " *JUDEA* ". Also, do you know that the "Palestine" flag that we see nowadays (black,red,black and white) was invented only in 1964,after 1948." Do you know what the flag used to look like prior to 1948?😏 it had the STAR OF DAVID all over it, yes when it was under the British occupation.
I do not sit on either side of this war because a lot of people think that all that it surrounds is Hamas, but this war stems all the way back over 7 decades starting in 1947. The land that was to be divided between Israel and Palestine, it was not welcomed very good and Palestinians were being pushed out of their territory. So this war was initially over territory and whether to be able to live side by side. But what started as a war of words became a war with weapons. People talk about being able to live hand in hand. But how can one live in such a way when those hands are constantly covered in blood?
I feel I'm not familiar enough with the situation of Palestine and Israel, but the way the ungoing treatment of Muslims in Isreal is going in the last years isn't okay. I don't believe Hamas is in the right though. I don't believe in a black and white scenario... I do draw the line were people call for anti-semitism or the call for the elimination of Jews at all, nor do I condone Hamas' tactics. But to say that Israel is ethical in it's policies, I really don't believe it.
I really think u guys should learn more about what happened at 7/10 to women children and adults, must Palestinian support hamas, it would be like someone would support elkaida after 9/11, there are people living in the US that support murder, decapitation, rape, kidnapping etc...
I do think that companies have the right to hire whoever they want but I agree that it didn't feel right for the company to use threats of blacklisting certain students who, as someone who is on a college campus, sees a lot of students who support Palestine not for the people, not for the beliefs of Palestine but because the students believe in anti-colonialism. Students have truly been taught to rely on their emotions and not facts. I've heard many say they are pro-HAMAS. They don't understand the conflict or who and what HAMAS stands for. (Hamas in Hebrew literally means violence) Israel's government is definitely to blame for a lot of the things that have happened, and recently the people of Israel have tried to stand up to the government. Both countries have said they want the other to be wiped off the planet. IMO no one is right in this situation but there is a lot of nuance to this war. There is a lot of things that have happened to the Gaza strip but there is a reason other Muslim countries refuse to take them in as refugees. Israel is the only Jewish state in the world. Again, not that Israel is blameless in this situation but it is a difficult situation, especially for those of us safe in the west, for us to take the "right" side. Both sides are between a rock and a hard place and I hope this ends quickly, and I do know what that might mean. I am anti-war in general so obviously I am going to be a bit biased because I wish people could put the past behind them and try to move forward with peace, but from what I have seen and studied that seems to be the last option when both sides are stubborn. But again, I do believe both sides have a right to be stubborn, which is why this is such a nuanced war.
My friend is currently doing military service in Israel. Everyday I think of her and I worry for her safety. She’s lost friends in this war. I do not understand people who support a terrorist group. I just hope this war ends so innocent people on both sides (especially children) can make peace and go living a normal life without this pressure on them. I’m a college student as well and it’s really depressing to see people on my campus gather to march for Palestine. I believe in free speech but as someone who does not know much about this conflict (and is sure most of my peers don’t understand all of it either) I wish we would stop taking such radical sides and agree that war and violence - regardless of which side does it - is unacceptable.
@@JacobSteinberg75 Because I don't want to spend my time with stressing myself over a complicated drawn out conflict. In my comment I mentioned that I am not taking anyone's side for a reason. I also mentioned that I'm a college student thousands of kms away from the conflict, so my priorities are my studies as of now. I pray for the innocent civilians on both sides; they deserve better and I truly believe that. Edit: Also "based on facts" is very "subjective" regarding this point ironically enough. Depending on who you ask it's best to support this or that side. I take the side of nobody, because I think both sides have rights and wrongs. The point of my whole comment to begin with was to point out the blatant radicalization of this topic and polarity between people. It's not normal to obsess over a conflict like this, especially if it doesn't affect you. Judging by your profile pic, you're probably not in university (I could be wrong ofc) so I wanted to further add to the point of the video that many college aged students are protesting - even in my country - during your average lunch break. And for what? What is it going to achieve? Nothing. It just sucks to see 🤷♀️
It's not a complicated issue. There are objective facts that are indisputable. If more people took the time to research the issue, there would be more of a conscientious regarding how to move forward. I'd argue that it's normal and important to "obsess" over issues that bring great harm or pain to others, even if you don't feel like these issues affect you directly. If you don't think protesting achieves anything, you should study the Vietnam War. @@kaki_maki403
I do support Palestine but I don’t believe in killing anyone to be honest. I might be more biased because the country I am from (Chile) is filled with Palestinians when they were forced to leave. I think that we need to realize that everyone is getting hurt here. I stand with Palestine because my personal beliefs is that Palestinian people are the indigenous people of the “Israeli land”. I do have friends that have family in Israel and I pray that they are safe. I hope everyone is safe and to anyone that has family or friends or is involved personally in this conflict I wish you nothing but the best❤️
Differentiating between Palestinians and Hamas is difficult, primarily due to the response of many "Palestinians" abroad to this particular massacre. When everyday people see the videos and images of the killings released BY HAMAS and then see massive groups of "Palestinians" supporting the actions depicted in this released media, it's understandable to believe that Palestinians support Hamas. I have tried to separate Palestine as a whole from Hamas, but I would be EXTREMELY apprehensive about a Palestinian working for me right now. I wouldn't hire ANYONE who supports the massacre of civilians, particularly full families, the elderly and children (babies). I have no sympathy for anyone who has lost or have been restricted from getting a job because they've shown support for Hamas's actions. If a hypothetical Palestinian wanted to work for me, I would hire them and keep them as an employee, so long as they either keep their feelings on this atrocity to themselves or openly dissociate themselves from and/or condemn the actions of Hamas.
I’m sorry but this is not principled. I speak up for conservative voices when they get cancelled and I speak up for leftists when they get cancelled. Free speech is easy to support when you agree with the individual, and it’s incredibly hard to defend ppl whom you disagree with, but being principled is not easy. Everybody wants free speech for themselves and their team and not for others. No one should be fired for speaking their mind PERIOD
@@louiskleinfashion even Nazis deserve to have jobs. Free speech means free speech for everyone! It’s not free speech only for speech you find appropriate. You should call out when conservatives AND leftists get cancelled
Yeah thank you for being truthful about your concerns, because I believe it is the same concerns of countless Westerners right now. On the one hand, we don't want to be racist, xenophobic, and just entirely dismiss an entire population of people right? But, the problem here is far more complex and dangerous. See, if I didn't want British people to move here and work with or for me, just because I don't like British people and I hate tea then I would be pretty ridiculous. But we aren't talking about people that just have "cultural" differences. We are talking about people that FUNDAMENTALLY oppose our very basic values, morals, and framework of good/evil. So, even if we could separate Hamas from Palestinian citizens-- the overwhelming amount of citizens would STILL be abjectly opposed to the things that I (and the majority of the West) believe are VITAL aspects of life and for a society to exist: things like freedom, individual rights, religious freedom, women's rights, racial rights, not murdering gay people, etc. How am I supposed to just "get over that"? I am tired of hearing people like AOC and Kamala say "diversity is our strength". Well, let's examine that for just a moment. Firstly, do these liberals support diversity of thought? No of course not. They support diversity of identity, that's all. But here are two very crucial caveats about this diversity premise. First, it has actually been demonstrated academically that diversity only produces positive results when the diversity is moderate in numbers AND in the ideological differences. Next, the very people they are wanting to bring in for diversity DON'T allow for diversity AT ALL! As I stated, they do not believe in that concept-- anything outside of a devout Muslim is an infidel to them and they are called to kill them. So, how exactly are we supposed to incorporate these people into our country, our neighborhoods, our offices, our schools? It is impossible. And so what I think all of these Western protesters do not realize is that the people they are fighting for actually hate them and want them dead. We are not able to exist together. Period. And so, I again find myself really struggling to know what to do or feel about things. Do I want children and innocent civilians to suffer in Gaza? No, I don't. But, I also don't just want to free them into the world and give them a nation and more power. Because that is directly more support for Hamas. These college students are under the impression that Hamas is like some street gang that people in Gaza have no connection to. They ELECTED THEM! They support and champion and celebrate them! Even as Hamas abuses them, the citizens are still vastly aligned with them from an ideological perspective. So, all of that is to say-- how can we possibly distinguish between active Hamas and the citizens that are essentially inactive Hamas??
I disagree for the simple fact that isrehell has been doing this since the late 1800s just this year they killed hundreds of women and children before this happened. raiding mosque on the holy day. I don't like innocent people being killed but you reap what you sow I've never seen this type of outrage over Palestinians being murdered so I call cap
Im going to keep it simple. Palestine people elected Hamas. Hamas is 100% responsible for all deaths on both sides. Here’s what God The Creator said in Genesis 12:3- “I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you;”. All the kingdoms who have come up against Israel’s in the past are no more. And in the future when The Lord Jesus Christ comes when Israel call for Him to Save them, He will come and destroy those people. God’s Word IS final and cannot be changed by any created thing.
Silence is Violence. I stand for humanity and peace. I condemn the Hamas attacks on the innocent people of Israel, and I equally condemn Israel for its attack on the innocent people of Palestine. We learned at home and at schools that "violence is not the answer", We learned that two wrongs don't make a right. We were taught to be diplomatic and find other ways to solve violence. Frank should not hit Spencer, even though Spencer just smacked Frank's face with a 2x4. Those lessons do not seem to apply today. This is crazy. People are speaking out for the innocent ppl of Palestine. Palestine is not Hamas. How is that difficult for ppl to understand? Threatening people's careers is a clearly active aggression against humanity, against peace.
I don't know much about the Israel Palestine conflict. The amount of ppl who expect everything to know the full background of this years long situation, and make a public declaration of "who's side" they're on, is unfair, unrealistic. I dont think it's as easy of researching online. Trying to research and get background is complicated because of soo much biased material, and just like the ability to recognize counterfeit money, you need to have already known the truth to determine someone is misleading you/framing it in a skewed way. But I say that with a grain of salt because I recognize that when there is loss of life, ppl are not exactly thinking along those lines, just deeply feeling. So I take no offense to be making uninformed judgments of those who publicly support the "wrong" side or choose not to post at all. Also, I don't think public posting on social media should be used as the measure of someone's character. Not everyone is on social media. Some ppl don't comment on anything under the sun on social media, but could well be discussing amongst their group in person, it shouldn't be assumed it's not being done at all. [Sidenote: LOVE your keyboard color scheme, I want one.] Even ppl saying they are against the loss of innocent sides on both sides of the coin are being attacked. This "oppressor" vs "oppressed" divide breeds hardened hearts, that is, I've seen comments essentially saying "it's ok if elderly, children, and woman are tortured, killed, raped because they are on the "oppressor" side." NO! -> Honestly, I agree w/ you that cancel culture is wrong, HOWEVER, I think it happening to those on the left is good to wake them up to realize that Cancel Culture is wrong, no matter who does it, to whom. The only way they'll get that in their head that Cancel Culture is wrong is to experience it themselves, because for so long they called for and celebrated ppl getting cancelled for misgendering or whatever.
It doesn't matter how you feel. When you are being paid by either another person or company you have to follow their rules and that goes for everything they or the company stands for. I know plenty of people who have controversial things, yet they know the difference in expressing those views at work. Sorry, I have not met one person in my life who has been fired for supporting Palestine or Israel. Being outright dishonest about all these people you personally know who have been fired is just that. Sorry if you are a school and you count on outside support then it's your school and your rules. All three women who head those colleges came across as outright idiots when they testified. You have the money and work for someone else or you count on their support then you have little to no say. I could careless about either group because they will never see each other's side and are so habituated to living in a crisis of war or fighting war that this will never stop. I think people are more upset that people would side with any group that has willingly set out to kill others. Sorry, this is what war is innocent people are always the ones that suffer, and pretending that war is supposed to be fair is outright ridiculous. Strange how I don't seem to hear what the living conditions of people are from the people who actually live in the country it's always from some outside source. As Americans who are homeless daily, we have no issues including me walking by them and thinking very little about doing so.
The real tragedy is I think the deal made in 2006 when Israel withdrew from the Gaza strip is that the Gazans had an opportunity to put their energies into creating a Singapore in the Middle East and they could have coexisted with Israel in peace. But no, no Singapore, more indiscriminate firing of rockets towards Israel, and no democracy with regular elections. And they failed on all of that and instead channeled millions of dollars into building tunnels and rockets. That did not have to happen. They could have become prosperous and peaceful and they failed. Instead, young children's school books talk about killing Israelis.
Israle would not let them create their own state. They even petitioned the UN for statehood, which Israle and the USA blocked. Israle only removed settlements out of gza in 06, they never gave up control, as they still control their electricity, water, freedom of movement, and funds that gza receives. They won't even let them build their own airport, and they control their ports.
I love your point about the lack of integrity in some of those Harvard students, i.e., that they expressed support but then turned tail when facing potential consequences. Whether right or wrong, someone who truly believes in a cause will believe in it and stand for it regardless of backlash. Plus...if those students truly believed in what they're saying, why are they coming out now? Why weren't they as loud every day before the terrorist attack on Israeli people? I think it's just group think, a fervor that catches hold and since 'everyone else is doing it,' they join in - mob mentality I suppose. I think, depending on the profession, some students should be blacklisted. When it comes to things that require judgements based on facts only and not bias, prosecutors and police officers come to mind. I acknowledge that these are young people and that we can change our minds as we grow older, mature, and hopefully not let our emotions get away from us. But such a profession as lawyer/prosecutor, I see these sentiments at conflict with neutral perspectives. But who knows, I could be totally wrong.
Thank you for watching and commenting. Yes, those students quickly turned their backs on the cause the minute they were threatened by that CEO. You have a point about how those sentiments conflict with neutral perspectives. That's a valid point. Thanks again!
I'm new to this channel, and like the feel of the host, and her calm demeanour, However I do disagree on her take on the students taking their name off the list. We don't know the circumstances of those people. Personally I stand by my beliefs, but if i came from a working class background and my parents had to beg borrow and steel to help me get to Harvard, and on top, of that i incurr a huge student debt at the end with No viable means of paying back parents or debt without a high paying job, I would take my name off! And find an alternative way of giving my full support
Remember what Desmond Tutu said if you choose silence you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If the US kills 2 million Iraqs over a few threats I would speak out on the large causality count. So would it not be suspicious if I am silent when a foreign gov't does this? For me to be silent it would mean I am benefiting to I have external influences that are not related to my country of origin. When my people were fighting for indpendcne Russia recognized us the West did not therefore I am silent at times not all when those who have supported me in the past do unpopular things. That is an example. But for me to be able to say killing millions over a few is wrong about my own country does not brand me a terrorist how come to say that about a foreign country brands me a terrorist in said country.
In the court of law, if you assault someone first you are guilty. Hamas started first. If you don't agree with his opinion, leave or don't work for his companies.
Hi Rogan don't think anyone should've lost their jobs or college students should be sack because this is why they go to universities that they can share there options, it is very sad for both the Israeli people and the Pakistan the group that did this horrible thing to both side,should be punished, we are living in a democracy city, everyone is in title to their own opinion however, sometimes when we don't know all the facts, it's best to just pray for peace, great video
Students have been preventing people they disagree with from even speaking on college campuses. I think it is great that they are finally getting blowback.
Can we stop firing, canceling, deplatforming, and censoring people for having different views? We need to debate the issues, not chill free speech. Allow people to have a conversation, hear the other side, and change their opinions if they choose. Allow someone to be wrong without ruining their life. Our great grandparents had a different perspective and different culture that changed over time to be where we are today. This culture will also change and things we believe today will be kept or discarded.
How do we tell the difference between people supporting Palestine for the right reasons and actual anti-Semites? I’m genuinely curious because I’m not well versed on the Israel/Palestine conflict.
It is difficult to tell and there is no foolproof way, but start by looking at their history. See if they have been expressing their support for Palestine long before October 7th happened. People's timelines are a good indication. Were they making snarky comments about Israel or Jewish people before. Sometimes, you can tell by talking to them and just listening to what they say. Some people are blatant with their hatred for Jewish people.
First you need to understand the conflict. Calling somebody anti smetic because they support Palestine is like Calling Native Americans in the 1700-1800s anti white because they were against being colonized.
They do the same things like they did in time of Corona virus . But how they did not learn enything from it ? Because after the corona virus end many of them was judged for what they did in time of corona virus .
A very well thought out presentation. Liberal or leftist disposition has really thrown reason out tge window. we all need to weugh our thoughts and comments because there are consequences and young people are being misled and its sad. We all nees to wake up and be serious
unfortunately it is an open air prison, just like tha camps with isis wives that are kept in syria right this moment. it started with only 120 thousand people and they made it 2 mln, 1 mln is children but they give birth to this children with a purpose and purpose is to kill . they have no prospects in life , but if a family has a terrorist that died for the cause iranians will pay their family a pension. its a really horrible situation, but none of the neighboring countries wants them on their territories for that reason.
This is all very simple. This is about land, imperialism and colonization. This conflict has nothing to do with religion or ideology. It's always been about land, who has the right to which land. This is historical fact and reality regardless of what peoples' political leanings may be. The people who've been the most critical, the most outspoken about Israel's policies and its treatment of the Palestinians have been the conservative Orthodox Jews. One of my friends is a member of the WA State Physicians For Social Responsibility has been to Gaza, has seen the results of Israel's policies there first hand and has talked with the locals. She's written and spoken publicly about her experiences in Gaza. I don't like Hamas either. And I don't like Israel's brutal polices in Palestine. Both are very bad. This has been going on for 75 years now. Jews and Arabs have lived together jut fine for many centuries in Palestine - until the late 1940s. Even today, Jews fare well in Iran, especially in Tehran. They're treated like everyone else there.
You mean when Israel was reestablished?! Israel has a right to protect and defend herself. She's offered herself, chipped away at herself, for a peace that will never come! Because they don't want to coexist. They want Israel *decimated and gone!*
I told leftists over and over that this would happen to them when they cheered on censorship and cancelation of people they didn't agree with. Of course it was going to happen. People who knew me as a leftist couldn't understand me because I was defending the right but I wasn't defending the right; I have actual principles that don't change whether someone is right or left. Censorship and cancelation and people losing jobs because of am opinion that doesn't have shit to do with a job is discrimination. People that think employers have the right should know just how far employers can go with right. Pretty soon its you that doesn't fit their mold. Lefties that didn't see the truth that Jan 6 was a set-up will not get my pity when they get set up but I will still be vocal that its wrong. Leftists need to take a long hard look at the way they have conducted themselves over the past few years because everything tgey cheered and celebrated the establishment doing to someone else will now be getting done to them and it was so predictable. Why didn't the left question why the establishment seemed to suddenly be on their side at every turn? Why did corporate media stand in front of burning neighborhoods and call riots "mostly peaceful?" Did they actually believe they were doing it because they were really on their side? I saw the left drunk on fake power they got that mainstream corporate media was doing this. Now, go burn up a hood and see how well it goes. They used the left the left loved it and loved being played like a fiddle and now its played out and some on the left, these college students probably are shocked the corporate media isn't cheering them on and calling them heroes.
Where have you been? It's already been like this for many of us. I can't say that I live in a $10,000 house in murder central and since then the only people cops killed here have been white men so Oprah is wrong and shouldn't say even the poorest of poor whites are privileged when she doesn't know any poor or middle-class white people. No, I am supposed to pretend Oprah is right. Black people in my hood don't agree with Oprah, but outside my hoid I am expected to pretend to agree or I am racist. I know white people who are too afraid to admit they aren't Democrats at work. It's been this way and lefties celebrated it and I told them everything they do to those you don't like; they will eventually to do you and they wouldn't listen. I always feel for the Palestinians for decades. I always will.
I’m a newer fan of this channel. I generally agree with Rogan’s takes. But for this one, I feel like Rogan (and many of these commenters) is missing a big issue. On one hand, she’s saying that civilians shouldn’t be involved (that they didn’t sign up for this). And on the other, we just need to let Israel do its thing. I’m this case, Israel is bombing civilians while claiming to be bombing Hamas With US weapons and US funding and the US’s full unconditional support. That’s as unacceptable as what Hamas did. Period.
My comments and video came mere days after that massacre on Israel's soil. I absolutely supported their decision to retaliate. Since this video was produced, I do feel like Israel has gone overboard. But, what I am beginning to realize is that the world loves when the Jewish pwople are victims. They don't like when Jewish people defend themselves. Hamas is the enemy here. Not Palestinians. I, like many people, want Hamas gone. They deliberately planted themselves under hospitals because they wanted Israel to think twice about bombing them. At least Israel has decided to hold off on strikes for several hours to allow innocent civilians to escape. Did Hamas give innocent Israelis that opportunity? No. They slaughtered them. Thanks for watching the video and thanks for commenting..whether we agree or not. I think dissent is important and healthy for society.
@@ThisBahamianGyal Hey! Thanks for responding. I appreciate the time and thoughtfulness as always, and I continue to think you're an important voice in the culture. With regards to the Israel - Palestinian conflict, there are two main issues that I take issue with your response: 1: We're conflating issues regarding Jews/antisemitism and issues regarding Israelis/Palestinians. Antisemitism in all forms should be denounced the exact same way that I think you and I would agree that any discrimination should be denounced. But I cannot agree that "the world" loves Jewish victims. America certainly doesn't. There is no other country that we have ever stood behind to the extent that we stand behind Israel. The Israel lobby is one of the strongest in American politics. We've supported that country for decades - more than any other country. 2: Israel's response to the Oct 7th attack isn't an effective way to eliminate Hamas. We both agree that Hamas bears significant responsibility for starting this phase of the conflict. But justifying large scale bombings in a civilian population as a response to atrocities is not an answer. In fact, state-sponsored civilian slaughter like this has been cited as the reason for terrorism in the past. It literally breeds terrorism. It radicalizes and draws people into the Hamas cause against Israel. In closing, I don't have the answer. I think that so much violence and bad feelings have built up on either side that conflict and suffering is inevitable. But the people who want to leave should be permitted to. They shouldn't be penned in while one of the largest militaries in the world murders them with US-supplied bombs. I view this as an opportunity for the US to break with tradition and aid the Palestinians in a way that shows the Islamic world that we recognize some of the bad policies of the past, and that we will show good will to these people. I have no idea how to do that. But I do think that violence hasn't worked. It's time for a new approach. I'm sure that makes me sound like an idiot, but it remains my sincere hope that things can change with a different approach.
16:00 (approx) the reason why anti-Israeli sentiment is equated with antisemitism is because of the likely outcome of the dissolution of Israel, ie: the slaughter of every Jew from the river to the sea. (As outlined in the foundational documents of Hamass et al) As an analogy, if people in the 90s had calked for the destruction of Kosovo, they wouldnt just be talking of the corporate government, rather, they would mean the eradication of the residents of "the wrong ethnicity".
It has nothing to do with their ethnicity... Jews and Palestnians were living together peacefully before Zionists deceded to claim Palestine as an Israele state. That's how this whole thing started. It's a conflict over land, not ethnicity or religion.
The first Amendment is so important. It is so important that all sides be able to communicate and disagree and find a common ground (or how to deal with not finding a common ground) with each other. NOONE should be 'fired' for airing an opinion or having a belief. I don't have to agree with anything anyone says to stand up for your right to SAY IT. Because ... maybe I missed something and you just educated me! If you were not there to disagree with me, I would not have gotten to better know myself because I did not grow in the way I needed to. Maybe I needed that missing info to guide me along .... I LOVE DEBATES. Bring it. I say disagree with me all day, so I know where I stand. Seriously. The censorship needs to CEASE.
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An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves all blind and toothless.
When I first saw this video's title, I thought "Oh no... am I going to strongly disagree with Bahamian Gal?" But I found this take very nuanced and I'm very sympathetic to so much of what you said. You provide a very mature take here. Well done.
Thanks so much for watching! I appreciate your sentiments. Thank you!
I freely admit I posted that before I finished the video. Not that I disagree now that I'm at the end! I have mixed feelings on terminating people who supported Hamas, even when they said they were supporting Palestine. Like, the meme of the paraglider terrorist and "I stand with Palestine." I think they stand with Hamas. In 2020, people got fired for not agreeing with some of the more radical things their organizations were saying. It's a powerful tool for moving the Overton Window. If our society is structuring itself such that terrorism is cheered and Jews are hated, I think it's fair for those of us who think that's unacceptable to exact a cost to try and hold the line on what's acceptable, socially. I don't think anyone in the USA should go to jail or be deported for supporting Hamas. And, if they genuinely support Palestine, there's really nothing too controversial about that. I personally don't think Hamas gives a damn about the Palestinians. Neither did Fatah. So many Palestinian leaders had chance after chance for a two state solution and over and over again, they said, "No."
The fighting will not go on forever. I think it can be solved, and it's not Jew vs. Palestinian. 1/5th of Israel is populated by Arabs who like living in a democracy. They even have a political party with influence. Life is very good for them in Israel, better than it would be unless they were royalty in just about any other part of the Middle East. If someone took power in Gaza and said, "You have a right to exist, we respect your borders and the lives of your people, please respect ours, and we will work to regain trust bit by bit until we can be good neighbors," and if Israel could keep its radicals from "settling" in Gaza territory, this would gradually come to a peaceful end. As long as barbarians like Hamas have power, it's going to be terrible for everyone.
The same thing just went through my mind after reading the title…now onto the video!
same💜 i just found this channel today and i respect her to do these videos, very smart person💜
Thank goodness I’m not alone lol
I’m a new subscriber and was like “awe man and I thought this lady was smart” but watched anyway and glad I did, I’m still subscribed lol
This woman is very intelligent, I shouldn’t have 2nd thought her 💯
We need more of women like her, seems like common sense isn’t so common anymore in America 🙄
To your point on what Ackman said, YES, people are entitled to their right to say whatever they like, AND these CEOs have every right to refuse to hire anyone they choose if they find their views to be absolutely repugnant, and these students chose to make theirs VERY public. Our ‘free speech’ is protected from government reprisal, but *not* from the rest of the public. The performative little shits (the students) should have known better. 🤷🏽♀
@EdgarAllanJo, then it's not really free speech then, is it?
@@cynthiaadkins-zj9ut It is free speech, and we have an innate right to it, BUT it does not come without consequences.
@@EdgarAllanJo That's the part people seem to not realize, we're free to make choices but not free from the consequences.
Being older we learned that lesson early as no one was going to save us from our own stupidity. We were taught right from wrong & we were told to keep our opinions to ourselves or suffer what may come from running our mouths.
I feel lucky that we didn't have social media back then though we still felt the blowback from those around us.
Many of these in college settings seems so filled with hate & they feel allowed to direct at certain groups without consequences. They're finding out in the real world there are rules & your opinion isn't the only opinion or the right opinion for that matter. These are the same people who have no mercy on people who said something 10 or more years ago so perhaps its time to learn about real life.
I wouldn't call it performance these shortys just got there hands on way more information then older folks did and not going for the wop
@@auburnstar27 Precisely. That’s why myself and the vast majority cannot be bothered to feel an ounce of sympathy for those students because they are the same sanctimonious, moral exhibitionists who proudly celebrate cancel-culture and ruining others lives for wrong-think and wrong-speak. They are reaping what they sow.
Thank you Rogan for having & making so much sense, unfortunately so many people are so ready to discount the hurt, grief and needs of others until and unless it involves them! PRAYERS FOR ISRAEL, PALESTINE, GAZA & OUR WORLD AT LARGE . . . WE CAN DO BETTER!!!
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Amen to that. The conditions in Gaza are an outrage. These people have been left, thrown under the bus, caught in a web of push and pull not of their making and probably not of their wishes, desires or demands.
And not only this outrage, but that also they are not allowed to displace themselves to a place of safety? That their only usefulness is as collective collateral human damage?
That is beyond an ultimate insult.
But then. If they are indeed Muslim, and fellow-believers:
They are surrounded by oceans of fossil wealth all owned by fellow-Muslims. Arabs, Persians. Many millions of vaults' worth of wealth - none of which is forthcoming to ease their misery.
Because it is their misery itself that is the stitching on that political football booted around this holy land. That is what is necessary. It is written. And agreed upon by the powerful, so powerful that this power could change their lives practically overnight. But it has never been available.
@@burleybater What so many people fail to understand is that a large part of Gaza's suffering is because they voted for Hamas as their leaders, And Hamas has always said they will never accept the existence of Israel. If Israel just took down the blockade then they would constantly be attacked.
Employers already had been firing or not hiring people from opinions. Look at how many people who said something on social media and got fired for it before this. It's just that these people are finding out when they don't support the popular opinion what happens to them. Sometimes just really bad jokes is all it takes and not even opinions.
Very true.
@@nonamewillbegiven1217I wonder if you said all that when people were being fired or blacklisted during coofee?
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Loved the analogy of comparing Jihaad supporters with dogs
I do not believe in people being fired for voicing an opinion. However the minute an opinion holds the potential to cause others harm then an opinion needs to challenged. The situation in the Middle East at the moment is a very complex and nuanced one and we who live half a world away need to be very careful in how we express our views. It can often be more harmful to offer an uninformed opinion rather than remaining quiet. Before making a comment either way do your research and be very careful how you express yourself. Remember you do not want to be the person who triggers another to behave in a dangerous manner.
Agreed.
What are you talking about? Can you give an example related to the convo?
@@JacobSteinberg75 I come from a point of view that has been formed by my experiences working with offenders. It would be inappropriate for me to mention the particular case I had in mind. But surely it is common sense to hold your own counsel on that which you do not fully understand. And I am very much of the opinion that my free speech is only free up to the point where it has the potential to cause another human harm, that is when I hold my tongue. We all have to share this planet and it seems to me that some have a little too much to say whilst sitting safely behind their keyboards. Too many feel it’s okay to go out on to the streets of of countries far away from the issues at hand and shout the odds and I believe that many of those who currently protest about a multitude of things do so in order to play to the gallery. In this social media obsessed world it’s all about the clicks. When I was a young woman and we protested there was genuine jeopardy. I do not get that sense today. There are so many disenfranchised people in the world that nobody ever mentions. There are so many violent flash points in the world that rarely make it into the media and often only do so when it suits our modern media or someone’s political agenda. There are currently 32 armed conflicts happening around the world I signpost you to the UN report that in 2017 over half a million people worldwide were killed and this is homicide nothing whatsoever to do with war in 2017 there were 89,000 killed in active combat and 19,000 in terrorist attacks. Sorry but I’m off to work so don’t have time to look up more recent data you have a good day.
Hello, stopping by to let you know that I had to click through 2 warnings just to be able to watch this video. This is fair and balanced content and it's upsetting that your video has been labeled.
Hi there. Thank you for watching. I know. TH-cam has totally screwed me over. I appealed several times, yet, it remains restricted. TH-cam is quite unfair at times. I have seen other videos that are absolutely egregious being published without restrictions. Do me a favor and share the video so people can watch it. That's the only way it will be seen. Thank you!
One thing Liberals and Conservatives who control the media and academia agree on is protecting Israel from moral judgement.
Everyone is subject to moral judgment. No exceptions. So, I agree. But, make sure you are passing judgment fairly. Because some of the media aren't even calling Hamas a terrorist group.
One thing that I can't discount when considering someone being cancelled or blackballed, is that these very students who faced this were the very people who promoted such against those who disagreed with them.
This is sooo true. You are absolutely right. NOW, they see how that feels. Hopefully they will change how they move going forward.
Insightful monologue and so much to unpack. First, Human Resource departments routinely check social media as a part of determining "fit" for the company. Nothing new here.
2nd. I heard 1/3 of Israels's population is Palestinian. Is that true?
3rd: the historic conditions in Gaza are shameful. I blame Egypt, Turkey, and other Arab countries for allowing Hamas to perpetuate these conditions. If these countries didn't care about the people before, then why all of a sudden are they willing to go to war over them now? Why don't they say to the world and Israel, that THEY will find the perpetrators responsible for the masacre and hand them over to Israel? Or hang them, I don't care. Why don't Arab countries condemn the masacre in the strongest terms.
I'm not super pro-Israel, but I am human and believe Israel has a right to retaliate.
Many people say and do what they think is popular but have no idea what they’re standing up for is even about 🙄
What do you mean?
“All we can do is pray.”
And pray we will. ❤️
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Thank you Rogan for another great topic. It's absolutely heart-wrenching to watch such atrocities. Praying for the people of Israel and Palestine.
Regarding companies not hiring based on personal opinion is difficult. There may come a day when saying “Christian Beliefs” will have the same consequences ( it’s already happening)
I mean, at least in America, that has been and continues to be kinda true.
I mean it is really only recently that Catholics are kinda accepted.
There are many sects of Christianity and some of them do hold rather vile views.
So trying to put them all under one umbrella feels kinda... odd.
Have a blessed day.
As far as the billionaire saying to post the names of the students who signed that letter, it's actually a good thing. For those who immediately took their names off, because it's Harvard, I'm assuming it was their parents who told them to remove their names. People send their children to Harvard mostly for networking and name recognition. If they get blacklisted for something like this, all that goes away. I only worked in a factory all my life and even they didn't like people with "attitude problems". Companies want to hire people to come in and make them money, not bring unwanted attention to them which could unfavorably cause others to look at the company thus affecting their bottom line. As you probably remember as a student it is a time in your life where it is very easy to grab on to any cause no matter what it is and become extremely passionate about it causing you to want to get involved in all sorts of ways. However at this age people have never had to face actual consequences for any of their actions and are even coddled for bad behavior on behalf of some cause that they think that they believe in. A person trying to run a company can look at these people and say "do I really want to deal with someone like this"? I'm a free speech absolutist (which is illegal in Canada) I believe that people should be able to say anything at all excluding threats of violence. However when you say controversial things you also must realize that it can polarize you from others. Possibly these students might be able to think, actually sit down and think, that if I shut up and don't react on something that I can't do anything about, that I also won't alienate myself as far as opportunities in the future. Maybe they can try and do something such as donating to the cause or organize food and clothing drives to help the side they're on. These things are not negative and actually it would show a prospective employer that you have the drive and determination to help others who are living through the turmoil caused by either side. I live in Toronto, Canada and there was protests that in my opinion weren't exactly peaceful and showed some atrocious behavior as well. There was people getting arrested also. Was it free speech? Sure. Was it stupid? Very. It showed people that they celebrated the slaughter of innocent people. If I saw my neighbor celebrating this, I would be very hard pressed to speak with him again as he just showed how much he valued human life. I'm fine with him saying these things and it's his revolting right to celebrate the slaughter but I don't have to associate with him. Good show Rogan.
This was an excellent take. I really enjoyed reading your comments. So, thank you. I think the contents of those students' letter was bonkers, especially at a time like this. I think they would have been criticised even if they hadn't written the letter, but rather took up donations for Palestine. While it would have been a good effort with good intentions, I ust know that people would have questioned why they were using their resources to help those folks. This is a very sensitive topic and time. Everyone seems to be on edge. I don't think those students' minds would have changed had that CEO not issued that threat.
Also, not sure if you saw it, but apparently, the Harvard students' names and pictures were plastered on a billboard truck. Sheesh.
This is one of the most thoughtful, balanced discussions about this that I’ve heard yet. Thank you for putting peace, calmness, and heart felt sympathy out into the world.
innocent blood has been shed on both sides and it really is unfortunate. but do remember we don't get the truth until 10-20 years later. I think Europe should give them a motherland somewhere where their presence would be welcomed. kind of difficult to take someone's land away from them and gift it to someone else giving them no say in the matter.
Europe?
No thank you. Ship them to Africa, or keep them in the Near East.
maybe Italy Rome kicked them out 2000 years ago in the first place or maybe Germany. but this is about religion Christian zionist who ironically are the most anti Semitic .they want armageddon and "Jesus "to come back and murk everybody smh
Well, it wasn’t welcomed in Europe in the mid-20th century. And it was their land from 3000 years ago. There was no such identity as Palestinian for non-Jews until the 1960s.
@littlecatfeet9064 go look at your fairytales book called the Bible and try again
@rachelforshee6014 philista land of the philistines ancient Gaza translated by the Roman's to palestina try again palestine is the modern name. now your border line pushing it look up Semitic people don't just mean jews
Well, well, well ... Cancel Culture eats its own.
Nope, I'm not at all sorry for them.
My advice to anyone looking for work is to be careful when you put any opinion online under your own name. If you need to express something, use an alias. If you are at an interview, and are somehow asked a politically charged question such as this, remind the employer that your goal is to support the goals of the company you are interviewing with. If asked, I answer, "I'm here to help your company achieve its financial goals. What I believe is irrelevant as long as I am on your time and on your payroll. When I have a company of my own, then I can say whatever I want. Until then, I am to follow the guidelines set forth in your company policy." STAY AWAY FROM ANY CONTROVERSIAL TOPICS!
Excellent excellent excellent advice! Just brilliant. Thanks for sharing.
People will never learn to keep stuff off the internet.
The thing about this conflict is that when you look at it in silos (i.e. the 10/7 massacre, the gaza hospital bombing, the west bank settlements) It’s very black and white. But when you look at the full picture of this conflict dating back to the pre-roman era when the land was know as Judea till current days there’s so much nuance that u can’t really point fingers or blame any single party. I’ve personally chosen not to publicly speak on this topic on my platforms because 1. I have friends and family on both sides who’re deeply affected by this conflict. 2. i see both sides and given the current climate no one is trying to hear that especially my friends and family being impacted. I’ve personally chosen to support them buy listening to their grievances and not pushing back even if i don’t always agree with their stance (i.e my isreali friend sometimes sends me videos that’s clearly propaganda but i don’t say anything because in the same breath she’s having to hide with her 2 year old daughter in a bunker in the middle of the night because hamas is firing rockets at Tel Aviv and needless to say she’s scared shitless + she has loved ones that were kidnapped or killed on 10/7). I genuinely think both governments are disgusting. Hamas os dumb and they put the nail in the people of Gaza’s coffin when they attacked Israel, but the Israeli government got comfortable oppressing the Palestinians with their military might and not considering the consequences.
I enjoyed reading your comments and agree with much of what you said. Thanks for watching!
I agree with this!
I’m so sorry for what your friends are going through. It’s hard to even fathom. I hope they see through the propaganda soon. It must be nearly impossible to do that when in survival mode. It’s almost impossible to do when the media pushes us mentally into that fight or flight mode. That’s how it works. It activates the reptilian mind then we’re easy af to control. But your friends are physically in a survival situation. God willing they find peace and safety as soon.
You shouldn't let your "ties with people" who might support or reject a certain side prevent you from covering the topic.
I always appreciate your commentary. You are always spot on. I love the nuance you bring to deeply complex issues. I learn so much from you.
The conflict was started by hamas, why people don't go against them?
I'm sure they have accounts on social-medias, like Facebook or Twitter.
They hosted both for years.
THE CONFLICT WAS STARTED BY ISRAELI SETTLERS IN 1941. SINCE THEY SET FOOT ON THAT LAND THEY HAVE RAPED, PILLAGED, KILLED, ROBBED, DISPLACED AND MANY MORE CRIMINAL THINGS TO PALESTINIANS. THEY HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE BIGGEST OPEN AIR PRISON IN THE WORLD ALSO CAUSED BY ISRAEL.
A week or two before October seventh more than 400 “rabbis” stormed the Al Aqsa mosque completely destroying everything inside it and then flooding it. They were driving tanks into neighborhoods and shooting at children who are playing outside. And bulldozing homes in the neighborhood. COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED. My friend was out there right before the war and sent be these videos. I saw Israeli soldiers shooting children that are no older than 6 or 7. HOW THE FCK CAN ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE EVEN TRY TO JUSTIFY THAT. I’ve been trying to post those videos on TH-cam but they get removed every time I put them up. Hamas was wrong to kill people but put yourself in their shoes and genuinely think about what you would do if you kept getting provoked time and time again, if you had your children killed and your home bulldozed. You don’t have to answer me but genuinely think about it. NO BODY DESERVES WHAT PALESTINIANS ARE GOING THROUGH
The conflict ALREADY STARTED BEFORE HAMAS ALREADY BORN!
ALL THANKS BECAUSE YOUR WESTARDS ANCESTORS & NAZIS KICKED YOUR WHITE JEWISH ZIONISTS TO MIDDLE EAST SINCE 1948....
Girl they put a sensitive content advisory on this video, to discourage viewers. The forces are at work.
Haha...They have been putting these advisories on a lot of channels ralking about the war. It is definitely discouraging viewers. Plus, this video is being shown in limited capacity. I got a notification from TH-cam.
Prayers to EVERYONE 😮
Wow. Thank you for sharing. The whole situation is horrible.
We've been saying for the longest that THEY are in charge. You can't stand against THEM without backlash. You can stand against anyone else and be fine.
Thank you for the humanity you brought to this story. It’s so tragic,it breaks my heart. I pray for world peace every day. God bless🙏
Thank you so very much for saying that, and for watching!
Thanks for having the courage to make sense!
On both sidez😢Women and Children Should not ever be involved Ma'am
If you've reached adulthood without understanding how to differentiate between Hamas and the Arabians in Gaza, and express yourself in a way that clearly shows you understand the difference, you will end up supporting savagery and the consequences are all on you.
Oh wow, I strongly disagree. In fact, I believe one of the TOUGHEST and most complicated aspects of this entire debacle stems from the inextricably linked Hamas-Gazan citizen relationship. It seems you, and many others (specifically liberals and young people) are under the impression that Hamas is some separate street gang that operates completely isolated from the residents in Gaza. When in fact Hamas is elected by the people, supported by the people, celebrated by the people, and represents the people. Even if the citizens are not actively engaged in combat, they ideologically support the purpose of Hamas. Do you really believe that if Hamas disappeared, and we were only left with the citizens, that they would be amiable or peaceful? The answer is no. They don't want to live in peace, because their idea of "peace" is the result of the holy war. They must annihilate all non-muslims. You do know this right? This is not some extreme, radical weird thing I am stating. This is DIRECTLY from the tenets of the religion and the practice f it culturally. So, while Westerners over here protest and cry for the lives of these people- you just need to realize that they hate you and would have you dead if they could.
The Israeli government is while more brutal than Hamas
Your comment leads me to believe that you really don't understand this conflict. This is not a religious war. This is a war based on land. Palestinians are permanent refugees. Did you know that Palestnians were displaced from their land, and were not allowed back after the war finished? Many were killed when they tried to return. Civilians. If you were forced from your land, and stuck in a 20 mile plot of land that you couldn't leave, where the water, transportation, and electricity was controlled by an occupying power, you'd elect whoever you could that promised that they'd fight your oppressors. "They must annihilate all non-muslims." Do you realized that Christians live in Gaza? There are Christian Churches in Gaza. Palesnians and Isralis used to live together in peace before zionsts declaired Palestne an israli state the monment the British mandate expired. @@SquirtlePower809
@@JacobSteinberg75 your comment leads me to believe that you don't understand this conflict and have relied on bits of social media to tell you what to think lolz. Just the fact that you believe "Palestinians" were removed from "their" land already tells me that you don't know the history of the region AT ALL lolz. So typical.
Palestinans were living in Palestne, and were displaced after the war in 1948 by the Isralis who had declared Palestne a jwish state, and created the state of Isral. About 750,000 Palestnans--over 80% of the population were expelled or fled from their homes and became refugees. Thousands of Palestinians were killed in dozens of massacres. About a dozen r@pes of Palestnians by regular and irregular Israli military forces have been documented, and more are suspected. Palestnians refer to this as the Nakba, and Isralis call it the Israli war of independence. Yes, I know exactly what i'm talking about.
A very fair and balanced video, especially on a subject that brings out so much emotion.
I do have to say though I support Israel in this. What was done to them last Saturday was absolutely unspeakable and I have seen a lot of support for the Palestinian people being mixed with admiration for the actions of Hamas and an overall current of “Israel brought this on themselves” which I found totally abhorrent.
Obviously I don’t want any innocent civilians in Palestine to suffer of be killed but with Hamas in control of Gaza I don’t think Israel has a choice but to respond and attempt to fully destroy that organisation.
I feel like the biggest enemy of the people of Gaza isn’t Israel it’s Hamas. Hamas have been the ones who have been totally unmoving in their rejection of any form of a two state solution despite the numerous efforts of Israel to offer concessions over the past 3 decades.
The people of Gaza will never have peace until the oust Hamas but I can’t see that happening unfortunately.
I agree. I was disgusted by what happened on October 7th. i got very emotional seeing the footage and images. I was also so upset seeing all of the online support for Hamas. Innocent people lost their lives and are being tortured.
War crimes have been committed by both sides, and I think the international community has to acknowledge that and act accordingly. I don't think that the US should be sending military aid to Israel for the sole reason that it's being used inappropriately and against international rules on war crimes.
That said Hamas has been labelled a terrorist organization for a reason and the attack on Oct. 7 was incorrigible. I am really surprised by the Americans who are calling this justified. Americans were right to go to war with Japan in WW2 but at the same time we can call the internment camps criminal and a gross violation of human rights.
Israel "brought this on themselves" due to its expansionist policies between 1948 through the 1980s, and Netanyahu is a bad actor in my book. That said it's dishonest to treat the actions of the contemporary Israeli government as an extension of the government of the past. It seems like people expect Israel to just give the land back, but the result of that would be a resettling of millions of Jewish people, which would be a humanitarian issue all on its own.
@@ThisBahamianGyal true free speech means accepting that a lot of speech is repugnant, but ppl have the right to say it regardless without fear of being fired. It’s easy to defend things you agree with but hard to defend things you find disgusting, but being principled is not easy. If you think it’s wrong for conservatives to be fired for having “anti trans” or “racist” or “fascist” opinions, then it’s also wrong to fire leftists for “anti-Semitic” opinions
The war itself is truly a tragic one, but there's nothing any of us can really do, I stand with both the people of Israel and Palestine who are against Hamas.
Kudos.... more voices such as yours are sorely needed in the discourse...
Thank for telling the truth
Thank you for this great video. This has been one of the few calm videos trying to attend this matter. I can see why; the middle east has experienced a downwards spiral of violence for more than 7 decades now and emotions run wild when talking about this. We need ´more people like you. We need more empathy and humility when talking about these kinds of things, but thats just my humble opinion.
Bahamian gal , your take is very mature ,wise and fair .
Agree with you on every point, Rogan.
Get fired (or not hired) for a political opinion will increase the polarization. That's a problem.
Isreal made a lot of mistakes in the past. But in the actual war I blame only the Hammas so far. Supporting Palestine looks like supporting terrorism or warcrimes. It's coming else than an opinion.
I agree. I think that will absolutely increase the polarization.
EXCELLENT COMMENTARY !👍👍
Thank you! Thanks for watching.👍
I stay out of the debate over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on social media, because no matter what you say and how carefully you word your post, someone is going to misinterpret it (deliberately or not). (This is of course assuming that you're trying to speak rationally rather than spread misinformation or anger). If you can handle that and argue effectively, good for you! I recognize that I'm not that kind of person (yet, at least).
I will talk about it in person with people I trust, who know me and won't accuse me of arguing in bad faith or label me "anti-" one group because I have compassion for the innocents in the other group.
The students have a right to free speech and business have the right not to hire them.
That's true. That's the way the world works.
When people express opinions that are not mainstream, the public at large may associate them with the company that hired them. Companies are looking out for themselves.
This is very true. You are right! Thanks for watching! 🖤
I’ve read quite a bit about what has gone on in the area. For that reason I can’t support either side (the countries that is), but I don’t support Hamas. What they did was cowardly & has caused a lot of violence against the people they are supposed to support.
There are innocent victims on both sides.
As far as students signing support for one side or another or gone to protest / marches - you should have known better. The private sector has every right not to hire you, but you will probably find some company that either have the dames views or doesn’t care. So, getting black-balled by some of the elite companies / corporations is not a total loss - just don’t expect great jobs starting out from college. I have no pity for them. If you bowed to peer pressure- if they go & jump off a cliff are you going to?
What exactly did you learn about the conflict in your reading?
"Something something...not allowed to criticise" comes to mind.
I don’t remember the date but, I remember hearing on the news Gaza would be governed by Hamas. I knew then this would be bad. I am heartbroken for the Israeli victims. For those who were slaughtered and for those who are being held captive. As time goes on I also know hope for their safe return diminishes. I also have sympathy’s for the victims in Gaza who are suffering daily as they try to survive. Hamas lit the fuse for both events on October seventh. They knew Israel would knew Israel would respond with everything they had and more. It was Hamas who opened this can of whoopass! And I can’t see an end to this just yet.
I agree with you 100% I think it is horrible anyone celebrating what Hamas did is awful, this were regular civilians and innocent women and children, there is no word to describe but a monster who beheads an innocent child. I dont blame Israel for fighting back and retaliating what did they think was going to happen.
So you don't blame Isral for the fact that over 11,500 children have died?
What about for the fact that they have bombed hospitals and schools?
Or that they cut off power, water, and electricity, and massacred over 100 people trying to get food just a few days ago?
Or the fact that they have sniped babies, Christians, and civilians?
At what point does it become more than just "self defence?"
Still waiting on an answer
Thank you for making this video, as someone from Middle East it fascinates me that people from the West are losing their jobs just from supporting Palestine while in here not supporting Palestine would be the abnormal thing.
Because it looks like pro Palestine hates Jewish people
A lot of pro Palestine supporters are showing hate to Jewish people. I have seen it first hand
I like your show and I want to say keep up the great job and also it is very sad about what is going on in the middle east 😢
Gazans got out there and celebrated the massacre. I dont feel sorry for any of them. There is a reason why other arab countries dont want them either!
Israel IS THE ONE DOING THE SAVAGE;EVEN THEY WANTED TO KILL JESUS
It's worth noting that the legal framework for hiring is different than the laws for terminatiin...they are not equal and it's a lot easier to not hire.
This is what happens when people say stupid things like "It's a private company so it can do as it likes".
What's happening on that side of the world is nothing short of tragic.
As for myself, I do not stand with or for Palestine nor do I stand with or for Israel.
But what I do stand with and for is PEACE.
I hope and pray that some day, whatever their differences may be, that they find it.
Find it before there's not a single piece of anything left to even consider the peace that could be.
Another bomb dropped, another piece of peace decimated, Another bullet striking an innocent child, another piece of future peace laid to rest.
A city that has gone from vibrant to violent and at the rate that things are going, soon to be vacant.
As far as the blackballing/listing goes, there are other ways to go about it. To send out a public statement stating that a company will not hire those who think a certain way teaches those that do think that way absolutely nothing.
Like those who willingly withdrew their names from the list because they thought it would infringe upon future opportunities.
They have learned nothing because they have lost nothing.
Remember, shaving the fur off of a wolf does not make it not a wolf anymore.
Hire them, let them become comfortable in their new position, then release them from their duties upon the auspices of not conforming to the core values of the company's standards.
Just my take on it lol.
Great video Rogan!!!
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Tribalism ignores facts.
Loved how balanced and sympathetic to both sides this was! I do wanna give my two cents about one thing. As a Jew, I definitely agree it is not necessarily Anti-Semitic to oppose Israel. However, Hamas's words and actions on October 7th (that don't speak on behalf of the Palestinian civilians) seem pretty hateful towards Jews.
Sadly money that is sent for aid to Gaza has been taken from them by Hamas. It's so heartbreaking and they can't change it without help. But how do we help them if they are being harmed by what they call their government. 😢😢
What was Isreal done with there money?
Hamas is in charge of Gaza. They are the elected government. Where else was it gonna go? Directly to the people who are being used as bombs themselves?? Be for real right now.
Did you know that Israel controls the money that Hamas receives? Or that Isral is actively blocking food trucks and aid trucks from getting into Gaza? Why do you think the US is now air dropping food and aid into gaza?
Thank you for speaking about this in a sensible, well thought manner. I've seen people on both sides of the debate: either vehemently defending the blacklisting threat or denouncing it entirely.
I, for one, agree with you. I think the people (and those students) who seem to have blindly decided to put their names to that cause deserve some kind of repercussion, or at least to understand that there very well could be repercussions in the future. Actions have consequences, and a large part of society seems to fail to understand that, because they haven't had to face any yet. They need to know that one day they probably will.
At the same time I also agree that the manner by which the blacklist statement was handled could have been better. As dumb as it is to blindly follow the hive mind and put your faith and support in the wrong place, it shouldn't result in young people losing any opportunities they may have had in the future.
People learn, perceptions change, and we all grow from our experiences and the dumb things we did growing up. Most people in college are still figuring themselves out. They should face consequences for their thoughtless actions. Those consequences should not determine the course of the rest of their lives.
I agree with you 100% You should see me over here nodding along to your comments. I agree with everything you said. College is a time of self-discovery and figuring things out. They may be legal adults, but, they are still kids...at least to me. I am sure they will proceed with caution moving forward. But, I don't want people so afraid that they don't stand for something. Today, it may be about Israel and Palestine, tomorrow it eill be something else.
It makes me so glad I grew up in the age of dial up, chat rooms, and AIM. Social media wasn't really a thing until I was in college, and it wasn't weaponized back then.
Can I ask though, what occupation? before "Palestine"(which was under the BRITISH OCCUPATION, yes, when an actual occupation has existed) it was " *JUDEA* ".
Also, do you know that the "Palestine" flag that we see nowadays (black,red,black and white) was invented only in 1964,after 1948." Do you know what the flag used to look like prior to 1948?😏 it had the STAR OF DAVID all over it, yes when it was under the British occupation.
1947 when zionstists declared israle a state after the British mandate expired.
@@JacobSteinberg75 It was liberated in 1948 AFTER the British occupation. It was always JUDEA.
I do not sit on either side of this war because a lot of people think that all that it surrounds is Hamas, but this war stems all the way back over 7 decades starting in 1947. The land that was to be divided between Israel and Palestine, it was not welcomed very good and Palestinians were being pushed out of their territory. So this war was initially over territory and whether to be able to live side by side. But what started as a war of words became a war with weapons. People talk about being able to live hand in hand. But how can one live in such a way when those hands are constantly covered in blood?
You should be able to have an opinion without your job being affected, within reason, of course.
I feel I'm not familiar enough with the situation of Palestine and Israel, but the way the ungoing treatment of Muslims in Isreal is going in the last years isn't okay. I don't believe Hamas is in the right though. I don't believe in a black and white scenario...
I do draw the line were people call for anti-semitism or the call for the elimination of Jews at all, nor do I condone Hamas' tactics. But to say that Israel is ethical in it's policies, I really don't believe it.
I really think u guys should learn more about what happened at 7/10 to women children and adults, must Palestinian support hamas, it would be like someone would support elkaida after 9/11, there are people living in the US that support murder, decapitation, rape, kidnapping etc...
I do think that companies have the right to hire whoever they want but I agree that it didn't feel right for the company to use threats of blacklisting certain students who, as someone who is on a college campus, sees a lot of students who support Palestine not for the people, not for the beliefs of Palestine but because the students believe in anti-colonialism. Students have truly been taught to rely on their emotions and not facts. I've heard many say they are pro-HAMAS. They don't understand the conflict or who and what HAMAS stands for. (Hamas in Hebrew literally means violence) Israel's government is definitely to blame for a lot of the things that have happened, and recently the people of Israel have tried to stand up to the government. Both countries have said they want the other to be wiped off the planet. IMO no one is right in this situation but there is a lot of nuance to this war. There is a lot of things that have happened to the Gaza strip but there is a reason other Muslim countries refuse to take them in as refugees. Israel is the only Jewish state in the world. Again, not that Israel is blameless in this situation but it is a difficult situation, especially for those of us safe in the west, for us to take the "right" side. Both sides are between a rock and a hard place and I hope this ends quickly, and I do know what that might mean. I am anti-war in general so obviously I am going to be a bit biased because I wish people could put the past behind them and try to move forward with peace, but from what I have seen and studied that seems to be the last option when both sides are stubborn. But again, I do believe both sides have a right to be stubborn, which is why this is such a nuanced war.
Excellent balanced piece
Thanks for listening and watching! 🥰
My friend is currently doing military service in Israel. Everyday I think of her and I worry for her safety. She’s lost friends in this war. I do not understand people who support a terrorist group. I just hope this war ends so innocent people on both sides (especially children) can make peace and go living a normal life without this pressure on them. I’m a college student as well and it’s really depressing to see people on my campus gather to march for Palestine. I believe in free speech but as someone who does not know much about this conflict (and is sure most of my peers don’t understand all of it either) I wish we would stop taking such radical sides and agree that war and violence - regardless of which side does it - is unacceptable.
Why don't you learn about the conflict so you can form an opinion on the matter that's based on facts?
@@JacobSteinberg75 Because I don't want to spend my time with stressing myself over a complicated drawn out conflict.
In my comment I mentioned that I am not taking anyone's side for a reason. I also mentioned that I'm a college student thousands of kms away from the conflict, so my priorities are my studies as of now. I pray for the innocent civilians on both sides; they deserve better and I truly believe that.
Edit: Also "based on facts" is very "subjective" regarding this point ironically enough. Depending on who you ask it's best to support this or that side. I take the side of nobody, because I think both sides have rights and wrongs. The point of my whole comment to begin with was to point out the blatant radicalization of this topic and polarity between people. It's not normal to obsess over a conflict like this, especially if it doesn't affect you. Judging by your profile pic, you're probably not in university (I could be wrong ofc) so I wanted to further add to the point of the video that many college aged students are protesting - even in my country - during your average lunch break. And for what? What is it going to achieve? Nothing. It just sucks to see 🤷♀️
It's not a complicated issue. There are objective facts that are indisputable. If more people took the time to research the issue, there would be more of a conscientious regarding how to move forward. I'd argue that it's normal and important to "obsess" over issues that bring great harm or pain to others, even if you don't feel like these issues affect you directly. If you don't think protesting achieves anything, you should study the Vietnam War. @@kaki_maki403
I do support Palestine but I don’t believe in killing anyone to be honest. I might be more biased because the country I am from (Chile) is filled with Palestinians when they were forced to leave. I think that we need to realize that everyone is getting hurt here. I stand with Palestine because my personal beliefs is that Palestinian people are the indigenous people of the “Israeli land”. I do have friends that have family in Israel and I pray that they are safe. I hope everyone is safe and to anyone that has family or friends or is involved personally in this conflict I wish you nothing but the best❤️
Differentiating between Palestinians and Hamas is difficult, primarily due to the response of many "Palestinians" abroad to this particular massacre. When everyday people see the videos and images of the killings released BY HAMAS and then see massive groups of "Palestinians" supporting the actions depicted in this released media, it's understandable to believe that Palestinians support Hamas. I have tried to separate Palestine as a whole from Hamas, but I would be EXTREMELY apprehensive about a Palestinian working for me right now. I wouldn't hire ANYONE who supports the massacre of civilians, particularly full families, the elderly and children (babies). I have no sympathy for anyone who has lost or have been restricted from getting a job because they've shown support for Hamas's actions. If a hypothetical Palestinian wanted to work for me, I would hire them and keep them as an employee, so long as they either keep their feelings on this atrocity to themselves or openly dissociate themselves from and/or condemn the actions of Hamas.
Thank you for writing this! It is exactly appropriate. I would never want to associate in any way with a Nazi supporter. Same with a Hamas supporter.
I’m sorry but this is not principled. I speak up for conservative voices when they get cancelled and I speak up for leftists when they get cancelled. Free speech is easy to support when you agree with the individual, and it’s incredibly hard to defend ppl whom you disagree with, but being principled is not easy. Everybody wants free speech for themselves and their team and not for others. No one should be fired for speaking their mind PERIOD
@@louiskleinfashion even Nazis deserve to have jobs. Free speech means free speech for everyone! It’s not free speech only for speech you find appropriate. You should call out when conservatives AND leftists get cancelled
Yeah thank you for being truthful about your concerns, because I believe it is the same concerns of countless Westerners right now. On the one hand, we don't want to be racist, xenophobic, and just entirely dismiss an entire population of people right? But, the problem here is far more complex and dangerous. See, if I didn't want British people to move here and work with or for me, just because I don't like British people and I hate tea then I would be pretty ridiculous. But we aren't talking about people that just have "cultural" differences. We are talking about people that FUNDAMENTALLY oppose our very basic values, morals, and framework of good/evil. So, even if we could separate Hamas from Palestinian citizens-- the overwhelming amount of citizens would STILL be abjectly opposed to the things that I (and the majority of the West) believe are VITAL aspects of life and for a society to exist: things like freedom, individual rights, religious freedom, women's rights, racial rights, not murdering gay people, etc. How am I supposed to just "get over that"? I am tired of hearing people like AOC and Kamala say "diversity is our strength". Well, let's examine that for just a moment. Firstly, do these liberals support diversity of thought? No of course not. They support diversity of identity, that's all. But here are two very crucial caveats about this diversity premise. First, it has actually been demonstrated academically that diversity only produces positive results when the diversity is moderate in numbers AND in the ideological differences. Next, the very people they are wanting to bring in for diversity DON'T allow for diversity AT ALL! As I stated, they do not believe in that concept-- anything outside of a devout Muslim is an infidel to them and they are called to kill them. So, how exactly are we supposed to incorporate these people into our country, our neighborhoods, our offices, our schools? It is impossible. And so what I think all of these Western protesters do not realize is that the people they are fighting for actually hate them and want them dead. We are not able to exist together. Period. And so, I again find myself really struggling to know what to do or feel about things. Do I want children and innocent civilians to suffer in Gaza? No, I don't. But, I also don't just want to free them into the world and give them a nation and more power. Because that is directly more support for Hamas. These college students are under the impression that Hamas is like some street gang that people in Gaza have no connection to. They ELECTED THEM! They support and champion and celebrate them! Even as Hamas abuses them, the citizens are still vastly aligned with them from an ideological perspective. So, all of that is to say-- how can we possibly distinguish between active Hamas and the citizens that are essentially inactive Hamas??
I disagree for the simple fact that isrehell has been doing this since the late 1800s just this year they killed hundreds of women and children before this happened. raiding mosque on the holy day. I don't like innocent people being killed but you reap what you sow I've never seen this type of outrage over Palestinians being murdered so I call cap
This is not visible to watch, where is it? Has it been pulled? There is nothing here, no video, just a blank space.
They age-restricted it.
Im going to keep it simple. Palestine people elected Hamas. Hamas is 100% responsible for all deaths on both sides. Here’s what God The Creator said in Genesis 12:3- “I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you;”. All the kingdoms who have come up against Israel’s in the past are no more. And in the future when The Lord Jesus Christ comes when Israel call for Him to Save them, He will come and destroy those people. God’s Word IS final and cannot be changed by any created thing.
Thanks for watching and for commenting. The people who elected Hamas are like the people who voted for Putin. I don't think they had a choice.
Hamas is also an anti-semetic place in Palestine
Silence is Violence. I stand for humanity and peace. I condemn the Hamas attacks on the innocent people of Israel, and I equally condemn Israel for its attack on the innocent people of Palestine.
We learned at home and at schools that "violence is not the answer", We learned that two wrongs don't make a right. We were taught to be diplomatic and find other ways to solve violence. Frank should not hit Spencer, even though Spencer just smacked Frank's face with a 2x4. Those lessons do not seem to apply today.
This is crazy. People are speaking out for the innocent ppl of Palestine. Palestine is not Hamas. How is that difficult for ppl to understand? Threatening people's careers is a clearly active aggression against humanity, against peace.
I don't know much about the Israel Palestine conflict. The amount of ppl who expect everything to know the full background of this years long situation, and make a public declaration of "who's side" they're on, is unfair, unrealistic. I dont think it's as easy of researching online. Trying to research and get background is complicated because of soo much biased material, and just like the ability to recognize counterfeit money, you need to have already known the truth to determine someone is misleading you/framing it in a skewed way.
But I say that with a grain of salt because I recognize that when there is loss of life, ppl are not exactly thinking along those lines, just deeply feeling. So I take no offense to be making uninformed judgments of those who publicly support the "wrong" side or choose not to post at all.
Also, I don't think public posting on social media should be used as the measure of someone's character. Not everyone is on social media. Some ppl don't comment on anything under the sun on social media, but could well be discussing amongst their group in person, it shouldn't be assumed it's not being done at all.
[Sidenote: LOVE your keyboard color scheme, I want one.]
Even ppl saying they are against the loss of innocent sides on both sides of the coin are being attacked. This "oppressor" vs "oppressed" divide breeds hardened hearts, that is, I've seen comments essentially saying "it's ok if elderly, children, and woman are tortured, killed, raped because they are on the "oppressor" side." NO!
-> Honestly, I agree w/ you that cancel culture is wrong, HOWEVER, I think it happening to those on the left is good to wake them up to realize that Cancel Culture is wrong, no matter who does it, to whom. The only way they'll get that in their head that Cancel Culture is wrong is to experience it themselves, because for so long they called for and celebrated ppl getting cancelled for misgendering or whatever.
Israel didn't start the war.
It doesn't matter how you feel. When you are being paid by either another person or company you have to follow their rules and that goes for everything they or the company stands for. I know plenty of people who have controversial things, yet they know the difference in expressing those views at work. Sorry, I have not met one person in my life who has been fired for supporting Palestine or Israel. Being outright dishonest about all these people you personally know who have been fired is just that. Sorry if you are a school and you count on outside support then it's your school and your rules. All three women who head those colleges came across as outright idiots when they testified. You have the money and work for someone else or you count on their support then you have little to no say. I could careless about either group because they will never see each other's side and are so habituated to living in a crisis of war or fighting war that this will never stop. I think people are more upset that people would side with any group that has willingly set out to kill others. Sorry, this is what war is innocent people are always the ones that suffer, and pretending that war is supposed to be fair is outright ridiculous. Strange how I don't seem to hear what the living conditions of people are from the people who actually live in the country it's always from some outside source. As Americans who are homeless daily, we have no issues including me walking by them and thinking very little about doing so.
The real tragedy is I think the deal made in 2006 when Israel withdrew from the Gaza strip is that the Gazans had an opportunity to put their energies into creating a Singapore in the Middle East and they could have coexisted with Israel in peace. But no, no Singapore, more indiscriminate firing of rockets towards Israel, and no democracy with regular elections. And they failed on all of that and instead channeled millions of dollars into building tunnels and rockets. That did not have to happen. They could have become prosperous and peaceful and they failed. Instead, young children's school books talk about killing Israelis.
Israle would not let them create their own state. They even petitioned the UN for statehood, which Israle and the USA blocked. Israle only removed settlements out of gza in 06, they never gave up control, as they still control their electricity, water, freedom of movement, and funds that gza receives. They won't even let them build their own airport, and they control their ports.
Do u make any money so far off these videos u been doing? Genuine question no shade or politics? I’m just curious cause u been on all over my FYP
I want to know your opinion on the fact that no one cared this more and still don’t care about the active concentration camp in China
I love your point about the lack of integrity in some of those Harvard students, i.e., that they expressed support but then turned tail when facing potential consequences. Whether right or wrong, someone who truly believes in a cause will believe in it and stand for it regardless of backlash. Plus...if those students truly believed in what they're saying, why are they coming out now? Why weren't they as loud every day before the terrorist attack on Israeli people? I think it's just group think, a fervor that catches hold and since 'everyone else is doing it,' they join in - mob mentality I suppose.
I think, depending on the profession, some students should be blacklisted. When it comes to things that require judgements based on facts only and not bias, prosecutors and police officers come to mind. I acknowledge that these are young people and that we can change our minds as we grow older, mature, and hopefully not let our emotions get away from us. But such a profession as lawyer/prosecutor, I see these sentiments at conflict with neutral perspectives. But who knows, I could be totally wrong.
Thank you for watching and commenting. Yes, those students quickly turned their backs on the cause the minute they were threatened by that CEO. You have a point about how those sentiments conflict with neutral perspectives. That's a valid point. Thanks again!
I'm new to this channel, and like the feel of the host, and her calm demeanour, However I do disagree on her take on the students taking their name off the list. We don't know the circumstances of those people. Personally I stand by my beliefs, but if i came from a working class background and my parents had to beg borrow and steel to help me get to Harvard, and on top, of that i incurr a huge student debt at the end with No viable means of paying back parents or debt without a high paying job, I would take my name off! And find an alternative way of giving my full support
Remember what Desmond Tutu said if you choose silence you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If the US kills 2 million Iraqs over a few threats I would speak out on the large causality count. So would it not be suspicious if I am silent when a foreign gov't does this? For me to be silent it would mean I am benefiting to I have external influences that are not related to my country of origin. When my people were fighting for indpendcne Russia recognized us the West did not therefore I am silent at times not all when those who have supported me in the past do unpopular things. That is an example. But for me to be able to say killing millions over a few is wrong about my own country does not brand me a terrorist how come to say that about a foreign country brands me a terrorist in said country.
In the court of law, if you assault someone first you are guilty. Hamas started first. If you don't agree with his opinion, leave or don't work for his companies.
If you assault someone first, are they legally able to go home, recoup, then destroy your home and family?
Hi Rogan don't think anyone should've lost their jobs or college students should be sack because this is why they go to universities that they can share there options, it is very sad for both the Israeli people and the Pakistan the group that did this horrible thing to both side,should be punished, we are living in a democracy city, everyone is in title to their own opinion however, sometimes when we don't know all the facts, it's best to just pray for peace, great video
Students have been preventing people they disagree with from even speaking on college campuses. I think it is great that they are finally getting blowback.
Yeah, or you can just get all the facts... google does exist..
I'm neither on Palestine or isreal sides
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Can we stop firing, canceling, deplatforming, and censoring people for having different views? We need to debate the issues, not chill free speech. Allow people to have a conversation, hear the other side, and change their opinions if they choose. Allow someone to be wrong without ruining their life. Our great grandparents had a different perspective and different culture that changed over time to be where we are today. This culture will also change and things we believe today will be kept or discarded.
Agreed!!!
How do we tell the difference between people supporting Palestine for the right reasons and actual anti-Semites? I’m genuinely curious because I’m not well versed on the Israel/Palestine conflict.
It is difficult to tell and there is no foolproof way, but start by looking at their history. See if they have been expressing their support for Palestine long before October 7th happened. People's timelines are a good indication. Were they making snarky comments about Israel or Jewish people before. Sometimes, you can tell by talking to them and just listening to what they say. Some people are blatant with their hatred for Jewish people.
First you need to understand the conflict. Calling somebody anti smetic because they support Palestine is like Calling Native Americans in the 1700-1800s anti white because they were against being colonized.
They do the same things like they did in time of Corona virus . But how they did not learn enything from it ? Because after the corona virus end many of them was judged for what they did in time of corona virus .
A very well thought out presentation. Liberal or leftist disposition has really thrown reason out tge window. we all need to weugh our thoughts and comments because there are consequences and young people are being misled and its sad. We all nees to wake up and be serious
How are they being mislead, specifically?
What happened to the like ratio
Those who are not knowledgeable enough to distinguish between the Arabs in Gaza and Hamas should keep shtum.
As a Jew ✡️ no don't support Phalstine 😮😅
As a Jew I do. We had no right to carve our own land out of Palestine, where other people were living.
unfortunately it is an open air prison, just like tha camps with isis wives that are kept in syria right this moment. it started with only 120 thousand people and they made it 2 mln, 1 mln is children but they give birth to this children with a purpose and purpose is to kill . they have no prospects in life , but if a family has a terrorist that died for the cause iranians will pay their family a pension. its a really horrible situation, but none of the neighboring countries wants them on their territories for that reason.
This is all very simple. This is about land, imperialism and colonization. This conflict has nothing to do with religion or ideology. It's always been about land, who has the right to which land. This is historical fact and reality regardless of what peoples' political leanings may be.
The people who've been the most critical, the most outspoken about Israel's policies and its treatment of the Palestinians have been the conservative Orthodox Jews. One of my friends is a member of the WA State Physicians For Social Responsibility has been to Gaza, has seen the results of Israel's policies there first hand and has talked with the locals. She's written and spoken publicly about her experiences in Gaza.
I don't like Hamas either. And I don't like Israel's brutal polices in Palestine. Both are very bad. This has been going on for 75 years now.
Jews and Arabs have lived together jut fine for many centuries in Palestine - until the late 1940s. Even today, Jews fare well in Iran, especially in Tehran. They're treated like everyone else there.
You are right. Thank you for commenting.
You mean when Israel was reestablished?! Israel has a right to protect and defend herself. She's offered herself, chipped away at herself, for a peace that will never come! Because they don't want to coexist. They want Israel *decimated and gone!*
Are you sure? For example, jewish population in Iran in the last 75 years went from >100000 to 10000.
I told leftists over and over that this would happen to them when they cheered on censorship and cancelation of people they didn't agree with. Of course it was going to happen. People who knew me as a leftist couldn't understand me because I was defending the right but I wasn't defending the right; I have actual principles that don't change whether someone is right or left. Censorship and cancelation and people losing jobs because of am opinion that doesn't have shit to do with a job is discrimination. People that think employers have the right should know just how far employers can go with right. Pretty soon its you that doesn't fit their mold. Lefties that didn't see the truth that Jan 6 was a set-up will not get my pity when they get set up but I will still be vocal that its wrong. Leftists need to take a long hard look at the way they have conducted themselves over the past few years because everything tgey cheered and celebrated the establishment doing to someone else will now be getting done to them and it was so predictable. Why didn't the left question why the establishment seemed to suddenly be on their side at every turn? Why did corporate media stand in front of burning neighborhoods and call riots "mostly peaceful?" Did they actually believe they were doing it because they were really on their side? I saw the left drunk on fake power they got that mainstream corporate media was doing this. Now, go burn up a hood and see how well it goes. They used the left the left loved it and loved being played like a fiddle and now its played out and some on the left, these college students probably are shocked the corporate media isn't cheering them on and calling them heroes.
Where have you been? It's already been like this for many of us. I can't say that I live in a $10,000 house in murder central and since then the only people cops killed here have been white men so Oprah is wrong and shouldn't say even the poorest of poor whites are privileged when she doesn't know any poor or middle-class white people. No, I am supposed to pretend Oprah is right. Black people in my hood don't agree with Oprah, but outside my hoid I am expected to pretend to agree or I am racist. I know white people who are too afraid to admit they aren't Democrats at work. It's been this way and lefties celebrated it and I told them everything they do to those you don't like; they will eventually to do you and they wouldn't listen. I always feel for the Palestinians for decades. I always will.
Why don’t live in Palestine Somalia Iran and proof the point .. you don’t have any ideas
I’m a newer fan of this channel. I generally agree with Rogan’s takes.
But for this one, I feel like Rogan (and many of these commenters) is missing a big issue. On one hand, she’s saying that civilians shouldn’t be involved (that they didn’t sign up for this). And on the other, we just need to let Israel do its thing.
I’m this case, Israel is bombing civilians while claiming to be bombing Hamas With US weapons and US funding and the US’s full unconditional support. That’s as unacceptable as what Hamas did. Period.
My comments and video came mere days after that massacre on Israel's soil. I absolutely supported their decision to retaliate. Since this video was produced, I do feel like Israel has gone overboard. But, what I am beginning to realize is that the world loves when the Jewish pwople are victims. They don't like when Jewish people defend themselves. Hamas is the enemy here. Not Palestinians. I, like many people, want Hamas gone. They deliberately planted themselves under hospitals because they wanted Israel to think twice about bombing them. At least Israel has decided to hold off on strikes for several hours to allow innocent civilians to escape. Did Hamas give innocent Israelis that opportunity? No. They slaughtered them. Thanks for watching the video and thanks for commenting..whether we agree or not. I think dissent is important and healthy for society.
@@ThisBahamianGyal Hey! Thanks for responding. I appreciate the time and thoughtfulness as always, and I continue to think you're an important voice in the culture.
With regards to the Israel - Palestinian conflict, there are two main issues that I take issue with your response:
1: We're conflating issues regarding Jews/antisemitism and issues regarding Israelis/Palestinians. Antisemitism in all forms should be denounced the exact same way that I think you and I would agree that any discrimination should be denounced. But I cannot agree that "the world" loves Jewish victims. America certainly doesn't. There is no other country that we have ever stood behind to the extent that we stand behind Israel. The Israel lobby is one of the strongest in American politics. We've supported that country for decades - more than any other country.
2: Israel's response to the Oct 7th attack isn't an effective way to eliminate Hamas. We both agree that Hamas bears significant responsibility for starting this phase of the conflict. But justifying large scale bombings in a civilian population as a response to atrocities is not an answer. In fact, state-sponsored civilian slaughter like this has been cited as the reason for terrorism in the past. It literally breeds terrorism. It radicalizes and draws people into the Hamas cause against Israel.
In closing, I don't have the answer. I think that so much violence and bad feelings have built up on either side that conflict and suffering is inevitable. But the people who want to leave should be permitted to. They shouldn't be penned in while one of the largest militaries in the world murders them with US-supplied bombs. I view this as an opportunity for the US to break with tradition and aid the Palestinians in a way that shows the Islamic world that we recognize some of the bad policies of the past, and that we will show good will to these people. I have no idea how to do that. But I do think that violence hasn't worked. It's time for a new approach. I'm sure that makes me sound like an idiot, but it remains my sincere hope that things can change with a different approach.
You have so much common sense! Can i buy it from you wholesale and sell it at the market to the zillions of people who don't have it.
😂😂😂😂😂 Thank you. 😁
16:00 (approx) the reason why anti-Israeli sentiment is equated with antisemitism is because of the likely outcome of the dissolution of Israel, ie: the slaughter of every Jew from the river to the sea. (As outlined in the foundational documents of Hamass et al)
As an analogy, if people in the 90s had calked for the destruction of Kosovo, they wouldnt just be talking of the corporate government, rather, they would mean the eradication of the residents of "the wrong ethnicity".
It has nothing to do with their ethnicity... Jews and Palestnians were living together peacefully before Zionists deceded to claim Palestine as an Israele state. That's how this whole thing started. It's a conflict over land, not ethnicity or religion.
The first Amendment is so important. It is so important that all sides be able to communicate and disagree and find a common ground (or how to deal with not finding a common ground) with each other. NOONE should be 'fired' for airing an opinion or having a belief. I don't have to agree with anything anyone says to stand up for your right to SAY IT. Because ... maybe I missed something and you just educated me! If you were not there to disagree with me, I would not have gotten to better know myself because I did not grow in the way I needed to. Maybe I needed that missing info to guide me along .... I LOVE DEBATES. Bring it. I say disagree with me all day, so I know where I stand. Seriously. The censorship needs to CEASE.