I love this! I call this concept an "anti-read," and it's something I learned to do playing fighting games. Sometimes you mess up so often, that you recognize you're conditioning your opponent with your errors. So you can save that information for later and transform that mistake into a good action.
I once heard that to win Rock Paper Scissors, you want to lose a thousand times by always picking paper until everyone knows you are always going to pick paper. Then when it really matters, you pick rock.
is showing the flight path of sabre in 3D space a thing ?? not unlike how TV shows a golf shot. would be cool to see a 3D animation of what they’re doing
Amazing how many of these hits were identical. Heathcock goes again and again with the long point attacks into prep and either gets them or gets parried nearly 50-50 but keeps doing the same thing. The point about reactive fencing was interesting, I think it favours the fencer with the faster reactions and I'm not sure it was clear who that was in this bout.
I think in this bout Heathcock had much faster reactions, but Eicchorn was observing and planning more. While Heathcock could watch and react, letting their strong instinctual responses get them touches Eicchorn recognized that his actions created openings that Heathcock would snatch up with instinctual (identical) reactions which can be answered after understanding what action is made. To add in this observe and plan style of play giving up points for information also functions to condition the opponent to be more likely to continue using their seemingly successful strategy of react and respond. Incredibly smart stuff from Eicchorn.
What it really came down to is how the Peruvian kid won in the box, he wasn't able to beat him with attack on prep so he used Heathcock's over aggressiveness against him getting more parry-reposts. Heathcock barely got any. Good example of how to beat an overly aggressive fencer and how to win the match in the box when you can't get the attack on prep over your opponent.
Lots of stupidity going on then. Video refereeing was being piloted at WC to try and deal with biased refs against Asian fencers. 2nd intention Is live and kicking now, you just have to be quicker and better at it.
LONG LIVE THE PARRY RIPOSTE! This is all that's left in this era of the nearly anorexic body types taking over the sport with their, everything is attak in prep, except for when their lanky asses actually pull distance and then start a long holding attack taking advantage of the fact that the timing on the box prohibits them from having a dose of their own medicine when they come hopping down the strip like a half drunk kangaroo. I hope every one of those parry ripostes was well felt not only by the other fencer but by all the coaches out there raising the next generations of fencers who only know how to stick the point out and punish people due to current rule interpretations. At lower levels, these current trends in interpreting priority, teaching methods and styles of attacking are literally destroying the sport.
In HEMA, Historical European Martial Arts, fencing mostly utilizes Parry Ripostes. I recently joined a HEMA club as a smallsword and spadroon fencer, and I had to Parry much more than I was in Olympic-style fencing. And this is coming from a skinny fencer. lol
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I love this! I call this concept an "anti-read," and it's something I learned to do playing fighting games. Sometimes you mess up so often, that you recognize you're conditioning your opponent with your errors.
So you can save that information for later and transform that mistake into a good action.
Very well said!
I once heard that to win Rock Paper Scissors, you want to lose a thousand times by always picking paper until everyone knows you are always going to pick paper. Then when it really matters, you pick rock.
Lukas teaching us how sometimes less is more
Watching this live at the venue was awesome, the sound on the recording doesn't do justice the the amount of hype in the room!
Both of these guys have talent; they'll be interesting to watch as they mature. Thanks for more great analysis!
Big fat meaty parry reposte is my new favorite phrase lol
LUKAS EIchhorn won the Cadet Gold medal in the Panam games and got bronze medal also in the panam games in Colombia. Just saying
no one goes to panams for cadet schlawg
Excellent analysis and great educational video. This was a splendid match, thank you and the algorithm🍻
is showing the flight path of sabre in 3D space a thing ?? not unlike how TV shows a golf shot.
would be cool to see a 3D animation of what they’re doing
best fencing channel
CyrusofChaos and SlicerSabre are my favorites
The point attack is great, provided you don't use it over and over. And yes it is possible to disengage a point attack in sabre.
Amazing how many of these hits were identical. Heathcock goes again and again with the long point attacks into prep and either gets them or gets parried nearly 50-50 but keeps doing the same thing. The point about reactive fencing was interesting, I think it favours the fencer with the faster reactions and I'm not sure it was clear who that was in this bout.
I think in this bout Heathcock had much faster reactions, but Eicchorn was observing and planning more. While Heathcock could watch and react, letting their strong instinctual responses get them touches Eicchorn recognized that his actions created openings that Heathcock would snatch up with instinctual (identical) reactions which can be answered after understanding what action is made.
To add in this observe and plan style of play giving up points for information also functions to condition the opponent to be more likely to continue using their seemingly successful strategy of react and respond. Incredibly smart stuff from Eicchorn.
1 year late but Colin Heathcock used to go to my club (like way way back)
Let’s go Lukas
Straight thrust --- who'd have guessed it? 😇
Hey! I know that ref, im pretty sure hes reffed at least one of my bouts lol
Always thought sabre was a cavalry weapon ,you live and learn.
👍👍👍
W Lukas
The World Champ is now the ex-champ . And there's a new World Champ.
Simple, really.
What it really came down to is how the Peruvian kid won in the box, he wasn't able to beat him with attack on prep so he used Heathcock's over aggressiveness against him getting more parry-reposts. Heathcock barely got any. Good example of how to beat an overly aggressive fencer and how to win the match in the box when you can't get the attack on prep over your opponent.
nice
Lucas, go!
Sabre died when they killed the second intention attack. Sabre at its best was 2005.
Lots of stupidity going on then. Video refereeing was being piloted at WC to try and deal with biased refs against Asian fencers. 2nd intention Is live and kicking now, you just have to be quicker and better at it.
LONG LIVE THE PARRY RIPOSTE! This is all that's left in this era of the nearly anorexic body types taking over the sport with their, everything is attak in prep, except for when their lanky asses actually pull distance and then start a long holding attack taking advantage of the fact that the timing on the box prohibits them from having a dose of their own medicine when they come hopping down the strip like a half drunk kangaroo. I hope every one of those parry ripostes was well felt not only by the other fencer but by all the coaches out there raising the next generations of fencers who only know how to stick the point out and punish people due to current rule interpretations. At lower levels, these current trends in interpreting priority, teaching methods and styles of attacking are literally destroying the sport.
In HEMA, Historical European Martial Arts, fencing mostly utilizes Parry Ripostes. I recently joined a HEMA club as a smallsword and spadroon fencer, and I had to Parry much more than I was in Olympic-style fencing. And this is coming from a skinny fencer. lol
wtf is this comment
@@mysteriousquestions6145 your Father telling you what the real world looks like
Cant imagine why they turned off the comments on the last video
it’s for the best