Student Pilot has Near Miss! George saved my life.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Season 2, Episode 2
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The only thing you did "wrong" was not chewing the Navion pilot's ass out for making a low pass with at least 2 other aircraft in the pattern without making a single call. He is an idiot. I would have made sure he knew that he put his and your life in danger by his stupidity. Good job on your part though. We used to have a guy occasionally do touch and goes at our field without a radio and he would land downwind with students in the pattern. My old Navy trained instructor invited him to join him on the tarmac for a little lesson in proper fisticuff techniques, but he intelligently declined. We never saw him again at our uncontrolled field.
Wow, good story. Then again, any story that include the word fisticuffs is bound to be a good one, or at least a manly one.
yeah I was wondering why he was not using comms. Some planes dont have them. I am glad you are safe but I would have chewed him a new back side hole. Student or not, he needs to have good flying manners.
Haha everyone seems to be suggesting the "tear him a new one" approach this week! Last week it was "engage in fisticuffs" Agreed with your sentiment, though...
He should have his certificate pulled nothing less would do. This gross negligence is inexcusable and its pilots like this who get multiple people killed in the air and on the ground because he is to F***ING lazy to make radio calls.
Dietzeeeee
I certainly agree that this is exactly how stuff happens... I ponder all the time what exactly it is that kills pilots...
It seems like things would have been easier if the other pilot just turned on his radio and said something.
True. It's always best when the pilots communicate, especially in unrestricted airspace with no ATC.
FAA regulations require use if you have a radio.
Can you give me a regulations quote? I think you'll find it's recommended by AC.
Probably a 20s plane with no comms
It's a 1940's Navion. He actually pipes in later in the video.
"Silver, meet me at the parking lot. We need to talk. Bring your radio. Need to show you something."
Nothing needs to be said just come to the parking lot.
Navion please copy this phone number I'm going to need you to call.
Microphone suppository.
I certainly would have talked to the guy to see if hed been drinking. If so, I'd make sure he couldn't take off again.
Good video. I'm glad the other guy was in the pattern. I would have done the same things you did.
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Hi!
I guess you could say you got a little smarter today huh SmarterEveryDay ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
What!
do you even drive planes??
if you do okeh
btw hi
In my humble opinion it appears that the Navion pilot, while within regs, is still reckless, bold, overconfident, and dangerous quite simply because he is flying at a busy airport with no radio, plus he is all over the place flying his own pattern practicing who knows what?
The tip off on this is entire situation is not being able to see the Navion but knowing its there.
Dragging the scenario out by continuing to look for the plane for such a protracted time period can be equally dangerous and reckless.
When I am in these situations, I clear the pattern, gain altitude, spot the traffic, and return when safer to land so I can live to fly another day.
Dont share airspace with reckless/idiotic/clueless/self entitled pilots. Anything else is simply a repeated pulling of the trigger in a game of russian roulette. If you stay in the pattern and keep pulling the trigger over and over again, the gun will sooner or later go off.
Well said, sir!
Miteco 1 Stayxsie Johnson but if you do arrive where an existing plane is on approach or a pattern. Can you not radio out to call in your Ident and your intentions? Seems reasonable and just for an added level of safety. Yes, maybe legally he had the priority within the pattern. But is not flying a plane 3D Vs a car that is 2D? Seems prudent to STRAIN over your instruments and push that all-so-hard mic button with your Ident. Heading. And intentions. It may cause you to loose your voice for a day or two. BUT NOT YOUR LIFE!
Did I not see the jackass make right traffic at a left traffic airport?
@@brucebratschi4300 My guess is he may have known the Piper was around him and wasn't sure where the Piper in video above was. You could hear some sort of stepped on radio call or garbled call from the Navion very early on in the video. I think he may have been trying to get clear of the left hand traffic pattern to avoid the Piper after he realized they were both on final???
Yeah what was that? George on the radio said he saw the plane doing a low pass of the runway and then at the end he turned right instead of being part of the traffic pattern. Super bizarre. It's like he's playing MS Flight Sim out there
don't like the idea of people being in the pattern and not using comm
Who does?... Seriously not ok with me, but I'm not going to cause a big fuss over it either. Glad I'm not alone, though.
Its always great to have someone looking out for you.
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I like the word "skymates"! I think I'll start using that if you don't mind :)
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Ahh, very cool! I don't know if you've heard about the stage show I wrote and had performed for this channel, but I'm beginning to write one for next year about modern Navy operations. Also, I have the same adaptation for that blackish mold that collects on airplane wings kept under trees for too long; "sky-barnacles".
Yeah that douche not using comms is a total dingbat...Totally could have gotten someone killed. Why would you not use radio if you have it and there are multiple airplanes in the air....So stupid.. I would have been so pissed and probably said something to him while on the comms....
ATC controllers are the real MVPs.
Friendly pilots just trying to take care of other pilots :)
Friendly Skies Film
Wait... There's no ATC in this video? So is everybody flying purely visual then..? No radar?
Thanks for helping me, these aviation radio conversations are confusing to an amateur.
Peter Timowreef
No worries! Yeah, no ATC, no radar, just pilots. Watch the diagram in the corner. It shows who's talking :)
Friendly Skies Film
Can't believe I missed that, I watched the whole thing hahaha.
But what when it gets busy..? There must be a limit to how many planes are airborne around one field right..?
Peter Timowreef
As many as can fit. Sometimes even on multiple runways at once. The most I've ever seen at a single uncontrolled field is.... probably 6. I'm sure people here would be glad to top that.
I haven't flown in years and I still can't believe you can fly without radios. Seems insane in today's crowded and unpredictable air spaces.
Wow, that George guy deserves a free beer :)
Haha I think I bought him dinner ;P
Friendly Skies Film
I didn't really understand everything that happend. If George didn't say anything, would you have crashed on top of the red plane?
Joost H
Quite possibly, since we don't really know how close we ever got. It's one of those situations, where it could have just scared the crap out of me, or maybe I would have died... I just try not to think about it too much :-/
Friendly Skies Film
wow scary.
Did you give the pilot of the navion an ear full? I sure would have.
It's quite scary when you're told there is traffic near you, but you can't see them. Back sometime around 1975, I was a passenger on an Air Canada flight returning to YYZ Toronto from Europe. A couple of kids came down the aisle all excited about having been allowed to visit the cockpit. I didn't know that was even possible, but it doesn't hurt to ask. So I flagged down a stewardess and asked if I could see the cockpit too. She went off to check then came back to escort me to the flight deck. Too cool. The flight crew weren't doing anything, the plane flies itself. So we just chatted and I told them all about how I'm currently taking flying lessons on a Piper Cherokee. Super nice guys, they said why don't I come up later and they'll let me sit in for the landing! Awesome! So, hours later the stewardess came to fetch me and I got to sit on a jump seat on the left behind the pilot. They even gave me a headset so I could listen in on the radio chatter. Way cool. First strange thing, there's water dripping on my head. Um, is this supposed to happen? They said ya condensation freezes on the cabin ceiling, then drips down when they descend into warmer air. Um, but it's dripping through the switch panel above my head. No worries, it's normal. Right, sure, ok, I guess. Other than that the whole airport approach procedure seems familiar and it's pretty much the same as I'm used to, but on a much bigger scale. I'm used to just a ten-mile control zone around our club field, but here they're reporting in already 25 miles out. We're told to join on the downwind, we're number three behind a ??? and one other ??? ahead of us. Pilot and copilot (and me) see only one plane ahead of us. Oh well... Continuing on, we radio the tower as we're turning left onto the base leg. Tower responds we're still #3 behind ??? on short final and behind ??? who is just turning left onto base leg now. Holy #$%!, but WE're just in the process of turning onto base leg! Where the heck is that other plane?? Can anyone see him? We must be right on top of them. Frantic scanning out all the windows. Tower, that's us just turning left onto base leg and we can't see the other plane. The tower comes back, "Oh, my apologies, you're now #2 following ??? just touching down now, and flight ???, correction you'll be #3 following the Air Canada flight now on base leg. Yikes! This is Toronto International airport and the tower was confused as to what order we're arriving in the circuit. That certainly wasn't confidence inspiring. After that the landing itself was uneventful, other than it's really weird when you can't even see the runway with the nose pointing up so high and we're still a good 50 feet up in the air when somewhere way, way, far behind us the wheels touch down. That's a bizzare feeling.
I think my favorite part was the condensation! XD Thanks for sharing :)
Holy shit, i bet this would have lead to some brown stains in my underwear if i were in this situation.
No comms and non-standard patterns? WTF?
Thumbs up for my eye in the sky, George Allen, and my eyes on the ground, AeroVenture Institute!
Thumbs up for George, and "finger" up for the pilot of the Navion. :-)
Great video, Personally I prefer videos with one, or max two cams... easier to concentrate on a task presented in a video..
Nice that he didn't make you learn the hard way... :)
To have a cam on runway so landing can be seen better
NEAR MISS !!
So dumb , it's a near hit.
You made a couple decisions, not just one, which saved your life. Good calls and thanks for the video. It'll be something to watch out for!
You got a good friend looking out for you. It's great to see the aviation community growing so much on TH-cam by the way.
Buy George in the Green airplane a nice meal after that near miss.
Great Video. Upon executing your first go around, had you broken off to the right (like I was trained to do), then ran parallel to the runway, you likely would have then seen the other aircraft making the low approach.
You could have done nothing better. You had your head on a swivel and did the safest choice each time. I want to get my pilots license and watch these videos to learn what a book can't teach you. Good flying and good teamwork spotting the non transmitting plane. You made me feel safer about flying, so I would say good job.
Glad you enjoyed :) That's why I make these videos!
It's a big mistake when you are on the traffic pattern to assume that all the planes are using the radio. There may have been a plane with radio failure, wrong frequency selected, etc. Just wacht out all the time.
The other pilot should have been monitoring his radio. It didn't appear he was aware of traffic. My opinion, I'm not a pilot yet.
In the words of the late great George Carlin, They say that if 2 planes almost collide, it's a near miss. Bullshit, my friend. It's a near hit! A collision is a near miss.
[WHAM! CRUNCH!]
"Look, they nearly missed!"
"Yes, but not quite.”
As I just said to a comment above yours, a near miss is correct, it means that the miss was close to the other aircraft hense NEAR not miss or hit.
I looked into this before as it never made sense to me either, I found that it is a shortened version of 'Near Mishap'
doublespeak intentioned to create self-reporting
I miss Carlin :(
Yeah most people interpret it as 'nearly missed' which makes no sense; it's actually more like 'missed, but near'.
the dude in the green was cool to take control of the situation and act as kind of a in air traffic controller
Thumbs up for George! :)
On busy days, if you have a friend on the ground, give them a radio. Even a kid with radio skills and good eyes can help out.
Ryan McGowan
True that!!!! Great idea!
"Which way did he go George, which way did he go?" th-cam.com/video/ZElJxTCIsJI/w-d-xo.htmlm45s
Friendly Skies Film, Can I use this video in my CFI lesson? This is a perfect set up for my students who need real world context to a scenario biased training on traffic patterns and communications.
Yes please! Always feel free to use any of my material in the name of learning :)
You did a great job being vigilant with tower communication and staying calm. Flying is like riding a motorcycle. You have to constantly watch out for the other person. The other pilot probably forgot to turn his radio on the correct frequency. It happens.
Good video and educational. I had a similar near miss when traffic holding short at a CTAF field decided to line up as I was on VERY short final. Was pretty darn scary and had me reeling for a bit on that go-around
Apilots training is NEVER over……..even guys with 5-10k hrs tell me they are still learning/relearning! Happy vapor trails!
A near miss means you hit something, you nearly missed.
Nearly missed means you almost didn't hit which would suggest contact/collision. It's not the same as near miss which suggest that planes were in close proximity when they almost hit. Near= distance of 500ft or less, Miss= lack of contact/collision.
Belicose777 you missed the joke
I guess you can say I missed something I nearly missed. Badum tsk.
Belicose777 there ya go lol
No it means a miss that was very near, as in a miss that was close. If you apply that logic to "near hit" like George carlin then near hit means to crashed directly into the other plane
I had a near miss once. I was on Base leg and the other Pilot was on final. Thank God my mom was with me that day, because she spotted the other airplane.
I like the "getting out of there move"
I was thinking turn final, but when you did that, I learned. :)
WOW!!!! Can't believe you survived!!!! Thank god you're still here with us....
Thanks, mate. Glad to be here too.
He should 100% have used the radio.. unacceptable! I hope you all had a word with him on the ground
I`m not a pilot but the fact you could not see the other aircraft scared the hell out of me....well done for keeping calm.
Sometimes the scariest things are those that you cannot see :)
Honestly this is my biggest fears as a fellow pilot. You were lucky you had someone warning you about the traffic. I'm not sure if this is a common frequency zone, even if so, this was extremely negligent.
Great video! Another perfect example of why it's important to use radios. I had a near miss with a plane who wasn't on radio about a decade ago as well. I was on an IFR flight plan in perfectly clear nice weather when local Tracon points out an a/c who was not on radios, but was just inside the Mode C ring with his transponder thankfully on. Being that I was in a small airplane, ATC would lower me down to about 3000 ft while I transitioned Kansas City on my way to their main airport. ATC said something like "Arrow 91Y traffic at your 1 o'clock appears to be descending rapidly right to left. I call back saying traffic in site. Shortly later when I looked to my 11 o'clock waiting for that same plane to appear it didn't...I remember thinking that it was odd...but thankfully an instinct kicked in, and I banked the airplane hard left blindly....If I didn't bank hard...the airplane I no longer saw would have came straight into us. As I banked the airplane...the airplane that nearly hit us was some kind of stunt plane....they came within feet of hitting us...
Long story short...that airplane should have called an FSS (communication) to let ATC know that aerobatic work was taking place. Second...get on a local coms radio and report what you are doing....I tuned to every CTAF around the area to find no-one talking. So frustrating...especially when this all took place within he mode C of a class B airspace.
Glad you're still with us. Great story :)
i hate it when people dont use a radio
Saaame.
Had a near miss myself back in '81 at KVNY in the Los Angeles area when a plane entered the pattern in the opposite direction. My instructor just about had a heart attack... That was a close one
Had a less than 100 foot near miss with a Dash - 8 when he never reported his position on unicom. He was getting his IFR clearance and just took off. I did a straight-in approach and we nearly collided. I was flying a PA 24. Comanche 180.
This is why the FAA should emphasize radio communication in a non-towered airfield, I’ve had too many close calls myself with pilots overtaking me on final or base.
Amen!
That’s the equivalent of driving blind. How is this allowed
Uncontrolled airspace
You need to look below and in the opposite direction to the turn before you make any turn.
As a student pilot who flies in a busy tight traffic pattern a few times a week, this is one of my worst fears other than inadvertent IMC. No radio communications, difficult visibility, making right turns. Very unsafe practices.
You also, at 4:41, fixated to long in one area. Keep the scan going. And if there's a craft near you, right turn, get out of the pattern till you find your target.
Forgive me for not being a robot, as a new pilot. Given that the aircraft was flying both right and left patterns, neither seemed like a good decision to me, but thank you for the input.
Daily thing during the spraying season in the midwest. Well handled on your end
I had something similar happen when I was training. Coming in turning base to final on an uncontrolled airport when somebody taking off the wrong direction not on comms comes into view already climbing out. We both turned to our right and it wasn't super close but I'll never forget my flight instructor's anger at that other plane. Why not use your raido's? It's crazy. Good video.
Yeah, my flight instructor on the ground gave the guy a pretty good talking to. It's rather inexcusable in today's skies, but that's just my opinion. Cheers, mate :)
You have to check if someone is already aligned in Final when you go in final. evrytime, everytime
During your last left turn to initially align on final,it's look like you never check to your right if a plane was already in Final.
You have to do the same before align you aircraft on the runway
Point taken for my 30hr self back in time, but dude, he was dead under my belly since 2:46.
... as a dedicated (landing) crowds hater i am, i'd say, why not in the case like that:
just break away, and do quick tour of a local lake, till the situation clears out
(we don't have to land everyone at the same time, do we ?) :)
This is what we need to teach the drivers, as well - never to stack into the bunches, bro, the good manners like that (always) save the day ...
By the average, we have stuff like that happening once a week, over here,
and is not calling to any law - it's calling for your manners, for those who have them.
What i like from this Warrior pilot fella is - he speaks and acts human when needed, and has the flying+ skills, at the same time. Airliners ? Anyone watching this ?
Here's your best alpha candidate, (not claiming what he can't do, and covering 110% of what he can).
(just a rusty aussie aviator opinion here :)
i like that you mentioned you made this video for student pilots yet here i am as just a stoned guy on his couch with zero aviation experience
lol ok XD
"Here's one they just made up: 'near miss'. When two planes almost collide they call it a 'near miss'. That's a near hit! A collision is a near miss!"
Agreed! I was thinking of that the whole time I watched the video. RIP Carlin.
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I know exactly what a navion look like. It has two big old wings on the front and a few smaller ones in the back.
Why did the other aircraft not have radio com? Dangerous stuff. I flew a 182 a few years ago. Never was that close to another aircraft i could not see. You did everything correctly it appears.
That guy not on comms was a soup sandwich. Crossing over departure end of runway, not talking (probably wrong freq), jacked up left downwind and opposing pattern.
There’s absolutely no reason to not use radios at any airport or air strip that has a frequency. Why the FAA allows this is beyond me.
for the love of god someone post the time stamp the near miss is.
3:05 you do not actually see the other plane as it was below him
Good god.
Watch the white plane. Watch the red plane. When the white plane is literally on top of the red plane, and you know that both of these planes are intent on landing at the same runway (well, we can assume the red guy wanted to land there, as he decided not to use his friggin RADIO), you have your near-miss. It seems like these guys were near-missing each other for quite some time before George saved everyone's lives.
You want the time stamp for the moment when you can't see the other plane? Hahaha!
8literbeater I watched the video twice, all the way through, assuming I missed it. What I didn't presume was someone would post a video on youtube that literally shows nothing of interest.
Great video, I like the graphics as well at the top right. Gives good situational awareness from behind the computer screen. All in all, I personally believe flying without comms is not a great idea at all. I enjoyed the video and fly safe!
Dusk looks like a dangerous times - for circling low timers especially..
You mean near hit...
No, I really don't... Read below.
Maybe the wording in the aviation industry could have been better. Didn't realize this was the official way of describing a close (distance) miss... I see.
Supra Levamentum
Haha yup. If you read below, "I don't make the language, I just fly the planes" ;)
Friendly Skies Film
Thank you for the reply. Sorry I couldn't find what you refereed to.
+Supra it's not just aviation, it's a standardized phrase across many industries. Note also that "near miss" and "nearly a miss" do not mean the same thing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_miss_(safety)
I was also a student learning to fly In Roswell New Mexico when I had a near miss. I was high and he was low, and we were about to land together, me on top of him. When I realize what was happening I gave it power and took another round. For the life of me I can't remember what the tower had stated as to who was given permission to enter "Final". That was almost 50 years ago. I believe I was flying a Cesna 172 at the time. Yep, this brings back old memories. THANKS
I'm glad you enjoyed it, and most of all, I'm glad you're still around too!
I just took my first ever flight yesterday. A friend of mine from high school has flown for the last 3-5 years and took me up. I am def hooked and plan on starting flight training this spring. I’ve always loved aviation and as a hobby study air accidents and have for some time. It’s a whole new world when those wheels leave the runway. As with most things it’s a lot to take in at first but it def seems worth the work n dedication it will take.
Sounds like you did everything correctly for the circumstances. There is absolutely no reason that another plane should not be using comms especially this close to an airport and definitely if they’re going to do a low pass over the strip
I guess I would have extended out sooner. Get some distance and come back to it.
Very nicely put together, and definitely some lessons to learn here. I can't much fault your actions, except to suggest getting the heck out of the pattern until Capt NORDO is back on the ground or out of the pattern himself. I'd like to also think that getting some space between you and the airport would give you a good chance of finally seeing the Navion, but experience tells me you'd probably still not have much chance of spotting him.
the only thing I may have done different is.. as soon as I heard of an aircraft under me and no visual I would have applied full power and climbed for a go a round . would not have hesitated.
I think you handled that well, particularly the quick decision to go around. Once it became apparent he was in tandem with you (under you) I think the best move would be do a right 360 to create horizontal spacing and visualization but the main thing is don’t crash. Frustrating when pilots don’t talk in the pattern and the non-talkers always seem to be the problem.
If you can’t see him what else could you have done but clear the area and come back around for your final approach
I really hate it when people don't use their radios, I used to do flight training over at a place where helicopters dominated, they never used their comms, I actually started going to a different flight school where I am now, shortly after finding out that there had actually been a collision when a helicopter was hovering over the runway and not using their comms
Me and that guy would have had some serious words. Probably would have ended in a fight.
I have always turned away from the stated location of the traffic and climbed unless I was at a towered airfield. You fly out-bound for 2 minutes then make your calls and re enter the pattern per the books 45 degree on the downwind. If you can't see the other aircraft just give it space. It's not uncommon for pilots to use the flip flop button and think they are transmitting on the correct frequency or even be on the wrong audio out button for the other radio. Hey, we are all human and mistakes happen so provide a little latitude and move to a safe area. Just for the record I don't consider what happened a NEAR MISS! If you have ever been in a near miss scenario you'll understand what the term really means.
Good call on your go around and rest if your circuit
That other guy is a lifesaver!!!
Looking at many of the replies saying that the red"plane did not have to use radio contact at this airfield is probably correct... That being said, as I cross the road in the crosswalk and glance at the speeding truck coming at me, I am correct that I have the right of way. The best part is that "I Had The Right Of Way" will look awesome carved into the granite of my tombstone.
I lost interest in flying for fun after being in this exact situation during my flight training years ago. I'll just stick to home simulator flying unless I might want to resume training to get paid for flying instead. It still blows my mind to this day with a few exceptions(military,in-flight equipment failure,ect.)why any pilot would choose not to use perfectly working comms when airborne. Kudos on the other pilot keeping an eye out.
Thanks, mate. That's too bad that you stopped training, though :(
I am not a pilot, so my only question would be - Since you can't see this plane and they are not using their radio; could you have requested that air traffic control keep you well away from him? Seems to me that unless you are low on fuel and eager to land, that you could have gone a mile out and waited?
Why someone would run without COM if they had the ability is beyond me. I've been in a similar situation. It's scary when you can't spot traffic you know is there. I think you did well. I would fly with you.
Thank you :)
it could have been worse , you could have hit someone.
I flew at an uncontrolled airport and my instructors reported any pilkots who did not make the circuit position calls.
from the chart you could have extended the leg before turning crosswind to provide more separation.
nice format. we may all have such near misses that we do not know about.
Absolutely! That is scary isn't it... Thanks for commenting and I hope you enjoy the rest of the channel :)
Had 2 near misses... scary stuff, indeed.
Good video, thanks for sharing. I got my PPL in 2001. I learnt in South Africa at a controlled airfield and when we flew cross-country the tiny airstrips and fields we went to were deserted for the most part. Then I got back to the UK (Berkshire) and uncontrolled airfields are extremely busy and stressful. That and the high cost of flying here pretty much put paid to my hobby, sadly. Keep flying if you can!
South Africa is definitely on my bucket list after all he pilot stories I've heard from you guys down there :)
Thank you for sharing such video. It very educational for fellow pilots. I think that ot os very important to use strobe and landing lights in such condition.
At KPIL there are student pilot trafficing patterns. Some communicate while in pattern. I like to communicate five miles inbound and get good response from the participating traffic in the pattern.
Nearmiss, yes it is and I would of recommend to fly away from such and look from a distance to ident the traffic and then find my to the pattern safely.
Good job and good video. Happy and safe flying from KBRO..😄👏👏
So glad you appreciated it. Stay safe :)
My opinion is that every flying machine should have TCAS, of it is cessna or piper or concorde
My question is why the other guy wasn't on the radio frequency? Flying around an active airfield without an active radio seems like an almost darwinian thing to do.
I think it would be time to shop for a TCAS. Is there an app?
Thanks for the video. On my discovery flight a jet came in with no call on our same altitude. We couldn't spot him and without ADSB we wouldn't have known he was there. I don't know if we were 500ft or not, but it was pretty close. Fortunately, the tower had us vector away.
There is NO SUCH "thing" as a TWO MILE FINAL!!! EVER!!! For ANY pilot to "call" this position is based on total IGNORANCE of what a traffic pattern IS!!! The Navion "pilot" was obviously NOT FAMILIAR with basic FAA Rules AND Regulations regarding Traffic Pattern RULES, REGULATIONS or protocols. As an old bird, I have argued these points ON THE GROUND with the "offenders" at length because their ignorance could KILL!
My other "favorite" argument is ,"If I am on the runway, I OWN IT!"
HMMM...THAT time I argued with BOTH the Instructor AND the "student" as to WHY I had to "GO AROUND" four times in an Aerostar....not because of the two other aircraft in the pattern, but because this "student and instructor" could NOT LAND his 152 anywhere NEAR the "numbers" or... choose to touch and go OR... stop on the runway, then take off again, OR... "find the taxiway intersection." ... ALL without a statement/transmission of intent.
These discussions are vital to proper training AFTER the facts....on the ground...if your fortunes allow it.
I suspected the "instructor" was adding to his pocket "extra time", showing ME who's boss of that particular UNCONTROLLED airport, and generally "expressing" his dominance of this "turf". The "student" was well into his 60's (as I am now 62 but was 23 years his jr. at the time), and had a good amount of arrogance in his demeanor, and the instructor "backed him up" (after all, the customer is ALWAYS right....right?). When the owner came out of his office, I verbally sent the student off, bought both the owner of the FBO AND his instructor a "coke" and we all sat down in the Flight school room for a good conversation...in front of two other instructors and their students in a very relaxed atmosphere. SAFETY FIRST, Fly the airplane, demonstrate professionalism with your knowledge and skill and the day ends happily! AND, the FBO owner gave me a discount on my top-off cause it cost me dearly to go around four times.
We all have flying stories that supported OUR involvement in the aviation industry. I'm still here even after an accident, (I lived to tell), and will always appreciate "professionalism" rather than those who bore holes in the sky, litigate as they go, or posture arrogance enroute.
And finally, "Natures warning to an aviator....is DEATH" ... there's NO argument for YOU after the fact.
I am about to begin my first flying lesson in a few months and yes this video was very good and helpful! I was just a little confused about exactly what was going on. Was it that you came to close to the aluminum aircraft when you were on final or something else. Your clarification and advice for me would be greatly appreciated! Keep up the good work!
Yep, watch the animation in the upper corner after about 3:00. The real "issue" was that he wasn't reporting his position on the radio, and while not illegal, failing to do so is downright idiotic...
Ok thanks for that!
Jesus I subbed just for that sweet intro sequence, that was cool af
Yay :)
Climbing would have been the best first move, even a modest 500FPM would have been increasing your window to identify and choose a new plan. IMO staying at your altitude (you climbed a small amount, then descended again and still had not seen the threat ) did not improve your safety with a threat that had yet to be visually acquired. Good videos you post, keep it up !!!
for every near miss, theres a near hit. lucky you. u should scream on the radio so the red plane will get out of traffic.
as you could nt locate the aircraft you might have gone into a holding pattern short of finals, or left the pattern completely. a tight turn giving you a 360 view which would have given you a clear look out since you are flying a low wing aircraft. when the other aircraft informed you traffic a head holding would have distanced the other aircraft in front giving you enough space on finals. Since you were above him directly leaving the area till you could get visual was possible, Hard to say what is best as every pilot has different ways of dealing with situation. would love a feed back. Interesting flight tense situation good job done. Fly safe !
I would have went to an alternate airport. One person flying his own pattern and not using the radio, no thanks
How about a see-through floor made of polycarbonate for this plane? Seems like a very needed upgrade xD
Surely the Navion pilot should lose his license for pulling a stunt like that. Through his negligence and downright lack of regard for other aircraft, he could have caused a serious incident that could have resulted in tragedy. There must be a regulation preventing this situation from happening? If there isn’t there bloody well should be! 🤬
It was a near HIT!....you did miss! A near miss means you hit!
i had a instructor his famous words if you don't know where the other plane is run the other way he was joking but there is something to that lol
Funny, I see a near miss video with a powered aircraft. Then I see 20 gliders circling in the same thermal. Think I'll take the powered aircraft without the guy indicating his intentions on the radio.
Haha That was the thing about sailplane ops that blew my mind. You guys are soooo close together!
I don't understand why it isn't standard when reporting traffic to report your altitude and traffics relative altitude "above me, 2000ft" so anyone not seeing traffic can go to a clear altitude to feel comfortably safe.
You needed to have a longer approach or stayed on down wind longer before turning to base
You do realize he didn’t see the guy, nor did the dude say his intentions on the unicom, right? Because that’s the whole point of the video.
The nonstandard pattern is the issue. I once had a close call with a guy trying to enter the pattern straight in to the base leg as I was turning from downwind. Turns out, my radio had a loose wire and I think all my position calls were not heard. Either way, the standard entry allows us to see and avoid. Makes me nervous when I see guys making low passes and military style break maneuvers to get into land.
Honestly, I don’t think there was anything you could have done better. You were announcing your intend and positions. That pilot, for whatever reason, was not announcing his position.
The value of this video is not wether or not it's a 'near miss' or 'near hit', it's that it shows that there are plenty of pilots who aren't following recommended safety rules and are putting all of us at a greater risk. All airports have recommended TPAs, traffic direction, and radio frequencies. Also, safe entry into the pattern should be at a 45 and not over-the-top descending into the downwind...especially when others are in the pattern. No reason not to be advising intentions on CTAF. It's pretty foolish not to at least have a handheld radio and to communicate your intentions/positions. You can't have right traffic and left traffic or using opposite runways without expecting that bad things eventually will happen.
Well said, and completely agree. I like to think that there's also value in showing other pilots and students that not all near misses happen in the blink of an eye. You just simply might never see the plane until it's too late.
A near miss is when u actually almost hit another airplane..
Yes, like in this video.
I had a similar near miss happen on my first solo flight. I was on a left pattern and the other guy was on right and he cut in front of me and below me. He was maybe 200 feet from me. It was a controlled field but the other guy apparently wasn't on radio, or was thinking that the instructions I was getting were for him.
Anyway, I was on short final and had him in sight, but I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do (at 7.5 hours, I wasn't really an expert. :) ) I think I would've gone around, but I was slow making a decision, but thankfully, the tower was on top of it and told me to make a 360 (at 300 ft AGL, it probably wasn't the best move, but what do I know?) I did that and landed.
I didn't think much about it at the time, but I bet it made my instructor and mother pretty nervous. :) My confidence to skill ratio was extremely high though.
Nice work! You sound like you handled it decisively, and with confidence :)
2 things... First, when I was told there was someone else in the pattern not using comms and I was perpendicular to the 45, I would have climbed to about 3-500 above TPA and flown over midfield instead of continuing into pattern without positively identifying this other traffic. Second, I would have walked across the ramp and knocked that douche out.