Yeppers, this isn't a healthy relationship between the fan and star wars. With no sign of an 'intervention' its best we all go our separate ways with our wallets
There's a great meme with Leia in her brass bikinis garrotting Jabba with the text, "Hardcore feminists were outraged with the portrayal of Princess Leia in Return of the Jedi... Especially after she strangled one of them."
@@maxpower3990 The costumes just enrich a character that is already complex. That's what these "modern" writers at Disney don't understand. Making the sith lord naked doesn't enrich his character because he has no character in the first place.
Best comment I heard… Restaurant- “It’s you, the customers, fault no one wants our sushi.” Customer - “We ordered a pizza. It’s a pizza restaurant. It’s always been a pizza restaurant.”
The fact that their article said that they expanded the universe smh. How is giving us characters who aren't actual expanding the universe? We needed to see new species, civilizations how they lived before the empire after the empire and tell us something unique not preach at us about their religion
I grew up in a country were black people almost didn't exist (Afro-American stereotype). And believe me, NO ONE said anything against Lando or questioned the character, actually was kinda cool
he also owned "tendrando" arms, a compilation of his name and his wife, Tendra. They made the infamous "YVH Droids". He's one of the richest men of the chommel sector
I'm a 40 year old Mexican and had been a diehard for as long as I can remember. In four decades I never thought, "Why aren't there any Mexicans in this?!" I was too busy getting hyped over The Force and Jedi and Sith and thrilling space fights and loads of cool aliens. Also, Luke Skywalker as a "hyper-masculine tough guy"? Luke's nickname was "Wormy" 😂
I'm a 38yr old black man, same as you diehard fan who was born in Africa and grew up in the UK and like you, do you know what I have NEVER thought when I first watched SW as a kid and even now?? "I need to see someone who looks like me, otherwise I can't appreciate or relate to some else work". Those people need therapy and to get over themselves cause your diversity does NOT make you "special"; watch or create something else
These folks actually believe and would tell you that you were so oppressed you didnt know you were oppressed. Someone suggested to me just the other day that the reason Im heterosexual is because I was so oppressed by the patriarchy I couldnt see how enslaved I was and would have chosen differently if given the chance. When I pointed out that the birth rate wont be sustainable with half a population failing to reproduce heterosexually, there was no light on in their brain.. this is a religion at this point and its infected millions or hundreds of millions of zombies who vote.
@@Miltz69 And here I am, a 37 year-old white guy, acting like an idiot for being inspired by Mulan, an Asian woman. I should have known that I can only be inspired by white male characters.
My favorite thing is they are the "toxic" voices for anything that doesn't fit their social narrative, but they usually get absolutely DROWNED out by the positive feedback. But somehow....they and these executives still think there are more of them.
@@hypolyxa7207I fell asleep three times in the theater during E7. That’s when I knew it was no longer SW, just in name only. I still have hope, though. Iger is on his way out. Kennedy is getting weaker with each new dumpster fire. I wonder what would happen if the fanbase collectively agreed to remove all Mouse Wars from canon?
TLJ was designed to antagonize fans. The story came second, or not at all. How else do you explain the "You're nobody you have no place in this story" and "Tastes like salt" scenes? These have nothing to do with the in-universe narrative. They are there as ready made memes for consumer addicts to spam online. It felt like going to a restaurant where the waiter is rolling their eyes and you can see the cook spitting in all the food.
Forgot to mention Fisher’s own & CORRECT point about slave Leah: she was supposed to present like a sex slave because JABBA IS THE BAD GUY! Jabba made her do that, not Lucas or the fandom. That’s the whole point. The point the woke are making is that it’s bad… AND THAT’S THE POINT LUCAS WAS MAKING. These people are so shallow in basic human reasoning. How can they understand, let alone TELL, any story if the bad guy isn’t allowed to do bad things?! How do these people propose to run ANYTHING if they can’t accept that there are BAD things in the world?! Our civilizational institutions have been seized by sheltered children!
I agree, but may I add I don't understand why they get so worked up over a woman being sexy in a movie in the first place, what's the big deal? Are you so offended that a woman showed off her body? I see hundreds of girls wearing half of Leia's bikini every time I go to the beach...but of course it's empowering when they do it, but god forbid Carrie Fischer does the exact same thing? And showing chiseled men who have bodies that the average man could never attain in their wildest dreams is perfectly fine? It doesn't bother me either way, but they're so hypocritical about it. What exactly is wrong with a woman in a bikini? It's the exact same thing as a shirtless dude, and some audiences just prefer one over the other, big deal... People like sexy things, almost like sex is a big part of our lives or something. This is just a hate group at this point, and they hate men. That's it...
"These people are so shallow in basic human reasoning." What reasoning? They didn't reason themselves into their position, they adopted it wholesale from critical theory which tells them everything ever is always bad and they just have to figure out why. The "why" is obviously sexism because it's always an -ism and there are only a handful of those to choose from.
The modern audience is a single individual in some Garrett in San Francisco: a trans non-binary agender aromantic pansexual Muslim front puller wearing a see through his job in a wheelchair because of her physical disability and on a number of restraining orders because of her emotional ones. She is the modern audience. Too bad she hates Star wars, and everything else on this earth except her vegan dog with whom she has a love-hate relationship. It's also too bad she has absolutely no f****** money whatsoever. And yes, trans and non-binary is a ridiculous combination, but if I had a dollar for every time I heard someone claim it as their delusion or Identity or secret passphrase, I would probably be up to four figures.
@@averyferalkitten310They are out there, all the 9 of them. The problem though is they won't pay to see Disney SW. They are broke as f*ck and can't afford it. The best case scenario -- they watch it online or torrent it and then go to Twitter complaining about how the rest of the population are bigots. Sad bunch...
The biggest unrealised potential of Leia's character was in the sequels, where they procrastinated about giving her anything to do until it was too late and Carrie fucking _died._
As a straight woman I found Leia’s bikini a fabulous costume and Carrie Fisher looked amazing in it. The lecherous Jabba objectified women. That was the point.
Also, Jabba getting choked by someone he chained (with his OWN chain) was obviously sending a message to people like that. It's bizarre some people don't get that (or pretend they don't)?
Men find beautiful women beautiful. She was strong yet feminine. She was fixing something yet trembling when Han is first flirting with her showing vulnerability…just as Han shows his when he initially feels rejected and gets upset that she isn’t immediately his. Name any recent Disney female lead character that shows any interest in finding love or a man.
@@wesleythomas7125 You do it the hard way - the _old_ way. You do it the way we used to italicize stuff before React came along and tempted social media engineers everywhere to create useless "reactive" textfields that are less functional and more buggy than the early-2000 clumps of barely-working JS that came with phpBB out of the box. Specifically, you put underscores around the word or the phrase to be italicized, punctuation signs included. And yes, on TH-cam you're supposed to do it by hand. Why is there a button for adding smileys but no button for italicizing stuff? I have no idea.
Disney: "We're making Star Wars more inclusive." Fans: "Cool, I'm excited! It's going to be good, too, right?" Disney: "No, we're focusing on diverse, not good." Fans: "Ummm... can't it be both?" Disney: "No, and if you don't like it you're literally Hitler."
Hmm... TFA dumped it's shot being a nothing burger then TLJ came along and retroactively made TFA pointless as a film. TLJ was simultaneously JJ trying to grab hold of a lifeline while looking for any possible marketing opportunities he could tie into Bad Robot.
Carrie... OMG. And... in THAT slave girl outfit, she strangles and kills Harvey the Hutt with her own slave chain. Make of that metaphor what you will. Still love that moment.
Sues the bike manufacturer.. sues the town and/or property owner for leaving sticks around, sues random white guy who happened to be wiyhin 100 yard for systemic racism and toxic masculinity, sues every capitalist for causing climate change.
Dear Disney, you told me that your products are not made for me, you told me to not complain about it, you told me to not watch it. If there's someone to blame for your failures is showed right in your mirrors
In Disney's defense, Les has that juicy blackmail file she compiled while procuring--uh, I mean, working--for Weinstein. Now Kathleen Kennedy has the file and Les has the career she always wanted and never earned.
What media is really saying when they say something like "positive voices can't be heard over the toxic fans" is that their voices, ie; the media ones can't manipulate and control things anymore. It's about power, control, and the sick thrill some get with exercising power over others.
Precisely. They supposedly all 'knew' how 'bad' the audience was, and hate the audience, but they still bought the property anyway and want their money, right? Or are we wrong and Disney just wants this as a vanity project? I'm sure they'd love for the next Star Wars film to have NOBODY watch them, right? Because companies just buy what was the second most profitable IP in history to do that, right? Oh but yea, you're right, we're expected to pay them for garbage.
Y'know, it's funny that you mention it, but, seriously, I'm starting to see that type of 'anti-consumer' attitude more & more these days, & not just in Star Wars... it's like retailers honestly think they're doing the _paying customer_ some kind of favour by giving them the 'privilege' of spending their hard-earned money on whatever garbage they try to force our way - it truly is a mystery for the ages!
It's a obvious marketing stunt in my pov, the whole "culture wars" on social media bubbles, that generates free marketing for your product. Look how many youtube "channels" are making videos about Acolyte, trashing it, others are saying positive things, etc.. it generates artificial attention, it's trendy ever since +- 2016~17. And here we are, giving attention to this kind of crap, talking about it, etc.. I try to filter stuff through adblocking, but in the end, even if I don't pay for Disney+, neither generating microcents for the critical drinker and other "youtubers", inadvertently I am just another cog of the marketing machine, just like you and everybody else here. When the next trend arrives, most likely it will be artificial intelligence and how it will affect our lives (this is legit, this stuff can be really dangerous for society), we will all forget this trend, just like the emos were forgotten, the grunge, the hippies, etc.. that's how it goes. Meanwhile the eastern countries are detached, living their own reality. Gotta love humanity, it's so beautiful
I love that Oola, Jabba’s Twi’lek slave dancer, is portrayed by Femi Taylor who’s a black woman- and both the actress and character are way more beloved by the fanbase than any ‘empowered’ female character Disney has come out with
I feel bad now, I really do regret my aversion to piss poor writing, bad characterisation, telegraphed plotlines and forced ideology makes me a bad consumer… really, I feel sooooooooo bad about that
When soap operas were popular, actors who played villains had to remind the public that they are not the rotten persons they played. People are idiots.
If a restaurant advertises a cheeseburger, but serves you a cow pie with rancid milk and moldy bread, it’s not the customer’s fault you advertised crap as something good and we reject it because of the lie.
Then imagine all the people so blindly in love with the restaurant's brand that they are eating it with a literal shit eating grin and telling you it's YOU that's out of touch.
@@tankerd1847 don’t have to imagine it. What blows my mind is how it’s now our fault they served us a turd cake and are mad at us when we point it out.
There are still some people who routinely eat at McDonald's and love it so your analogy fails. It seems like a lot of people are hate watching this show, too.
I think it was Chris Gore who said 'I miss loving Star Wars' or something to that effect. I don't even hate it, I'm just completely apathetic about it all. Good job Disney.
Daily reminder that Leslye Headland got where she is by knowingly allowing evil to happen, helping it happen, then throwing the person she was helping under the bus for self gain. She knew everything that happened was happening and stood by and let it happen.
Don't forget that he was going to hang out with his friends. One of which was named Tank. Luke was so awesome! And ripped! (We can, at least, assume Tank might of been)
The princess Leia scene with the bikini introduced "fodder" for a generation? Have they ever seen David Bowie and his tightly packed parcel in The labyrinth?
Generic lesbian black non binary trans watching Star Wars: "this girl is not gay or black enough, this show is racist!!!" Random white dude watching My Little Pony: "I totally identify with Twilight Sparkle"
It always cracks me up that these people are shallow enough to only be able to identify with someone who looks like them. I think that's why they always make such bland characters, because the strongest point of their personality is literally their appearance. Sure, Darth Vader looks cool, but literally nobody looks like him because he's wearing a suit and his appearance is hidden. Yet did I run around thinking I was Darth Vader as a kid? Absolutely yes! And I loved it! My favorite characters were R2D2, Darth Vader, The Emperor, Darth Maul, and Yoda, and I do not have a single ounce of resemblance to any of them, neither in appearance nor personality...and that is because I'm not so shallow and narcissistic to have to see a reflection of myself in a movie. Make your characters whatever race/gender you want, but please, for the love of god, make them INTERESTING and COOL god damn it! To this day it's still fun to try and mimic Darth Vader's voice, or Yoda's, or the Emperor's, and get nowhere close but still have fun doing it; or to pretend I'm a Jedi using the force when I walk up to an automatic sliding door.
@@le_fancy_squid as if people actually feel represented by experiences, problems or feelings that other humans could feel in their lifetime. But no for Disney representation comes only for your skin colour and who you choose to fuck. They don't know what emphaty is, they don't know what racism is.
@@le_fancy_squidYou’re being nice when you say people are shallow to need a character to look like them. I’ll come right out and say it’s racist-they can’t see the “human” in any other race.
Funny, how many people feel sad for Lee Jung-jae in the Acolyte. This guy wanted to be in a SW show and managed it, and good for him! We don't hate him, because he is doing what he can with a shitty script. DISNEY, write good stories and we will throw our money at you! Write shite and we will let you know. It's really simple!
Imagine having the arrogance of taking a beloved franchise, using it to spread your own message instead of good stories and then blaming the fans for being upset. I mean its unbelievable
I believe Headland is doing this war of attrition as a salve on her soul to make up for the fact that she groomed women and covered up for Weinstein for years. And anyone that thinks the personal assistant didn't have responsibility, or any idea that women were being sexually assaulted, is riddled with cognitive dissonance.
Imagine being such a narcissist that you can't relate to the values, principles, ethics, and actions of a character unless he/she/zer/zit has the same immutable characteristics as you, then blaming fans when they point out the characters you've written don't have good values, principles, ethics, or actions, so they can't relate...
@@MetalBoozie Season 1 was phenomenal. I'm curious to see how they destroy the show in season 2 and make it unwatchable, given its one of their few successful productions at the moment.
fck RLM - they shat extremely on the prequels driving the rtrded sheeps after them that was partly the reason G. Lucas sold Star Wars. Now they act like it's not a big deal Star Wars is complete trash and laugh playing the innocent role, while they are one of the main culprits for the diarrhea we are getting.
Isn't the panty moistener himself, Smilo Ren, also an ultra-masculine tough guy? They show him shirtless, linger on his muscles, and he plows through a dozen Jedi like a fucking Terminator. If he weren't also evil, he'd be an 80's action movie hero.
12:00 I think there was also a quote from Carrie, where someone complained to her about it. Something like how this should be explained to children. Her response was that they should explain to the kids that she was a slave and that she freed herself from that by strangling Jabba with her own chain.
I love how 'society' has decided that Hollywood is the one single industry on the planet where blaming the customer is considered a good marketing move. When a car company tries some new feature and nobody likes it, it won't be on next year's model. When Taco Bell or McDonalds try some new item and it doesn't sell well, it gets discontinued. That's the way the market has always worked. But Hollywood thinks that instead of changing or improving the product, they can just... shame their customers into guilt-buying? Has that worked ever? Like, literally EVER? Just imagine Burger King paying people from random youtubers to well known food critics up to like Gordon Ramsay, to come out and demand people buy their Big Mac knockoff Big King or whatever it was called. "Why do you hate BK workers? There is no way you simply don't want our knockoff and would rather just go buy an actual Big Mac at McDonalds! Are you classist against poor little fast food workers? Buy the burger bigot!" I wonder why none of them have ever tried that as a marketing strategy... According to Hollywood, it should work.
It worked with Black Panther and Barbie, you can't deny the "allure" for investors when you release two mediocre products and they are celebrated anyway, generating billions of dollars. You can use the "culture wars" trend as a shield against criticism, if you dislike She-Hulk, Acolyte, Rings of Power, etc.. that means you are a racist, bigot, etc.. it just works, weak minded people will try to jump on the trend bandwagon because they want to be part of a group (we've all being there, I jumped on the emo bandwagon back in the mid 00s, teenagers are just stupid. Depressive people are desperate, etc). You not only generate free marketing among the social media bubbles who fights with their keyboard, you also attracts new audiences. But if you actually lose the previous audiences, I guess that could weaken the trend (who is on it's last legs in my pov). Have to wait and see, I bet many entertainment groups will desperately seek the next Barbie in the next 2 years or so, if that doesn't happen and the money is just draining away, the mainstream media will pull the breaks. Meanwhile artificial intelligence will most likely be the next "social" trend and... oh boy, this one is legitimately scary
I would love to know what website Cameron from Collider thinks was being used to dogpile on Ahmed Best or Jake Lloyd for that matter in 1999. There was no Facebook, MySpace, or any social media that could be used to "cyberbully" him. There was basically only AIM, chat rooms, and message boards. The only major media source with a loud enough voice that could be used to complain about Ahmed or Jake was the mainstream media. Ya know, the very people that claim the fans were the ones who went after the actors. It's always "well documented," but I've never seen any receipts.
I mean...there were loads of chatrooms and message boards on the internet in 1999, and there were plenty of people expressing distaste or even outright hatred for Jar-Jar and little Anakin. But most of them were also expressing distaste and hatred for the introduction of midichlorians, the completely nonsensical "mystery" of who Darth Sidious was, the appalling way Darth Maul was overhyped in the lead up to the film and his complete lack of impact on the story, the atrocious dialogue, the bizarre decision to try to drive the plot of a Star Wars film using trade disputes and political maneuvering, why the hell a 14 year old was _ELECTED_ queen of a planet, why that same 14 year old was getting thirsty over a 9 year old boy, etc, etc.
@@frocat5163 The thing is, they were talking about the Characters and never the Actors. Jake Lloyd's issues were his own mental issues (schizophrenia). Nobody knew who Jar Jar's Motion Capture guy was or cared. We cared about Jar Jar being trash.
As a Mexican I say they should rename the “cantina” scene to just the bar scene, I mean are they trying to imply that only a Mexican cantina would be full of lawlessness and tough alien hombres ???
Nah, the cantina I went to on a vacation to Mexico was perfectly fine... Of course, it was in a closed resort, and they had checkpoints and police in body armor with m4 patrolling every 15 minutes :)
Heard a coworker and manager talking about The Acolyte and praising it. Saying that Star Wars fan are so annoying because you can't just have the movies and nothing else or whatever. Yet they couldn't name a single character, they could only describe them. Nor did they seem to be able to describe why they thought the character's journey was interesting just that they wanted to see where it went. Truly the sign a of a great show right there, guys. But I guess I'm the problem for wanting better.
I thought Ready Player One was enjoyable. Not earth shattering but it had characters and a story and stakes. Anyway I haven't seen The Acolyte but I can name a character: OSHA. I'm still not sure why Occupational Health & Safety is in Star Wars though. Maybe they need to install railings inside the death star reactor. Someone could fall to their death...
they were probably on their phone or making diner in the other room during most of the runtime and saw some lightsabers in the corner of their eye. If they feel they got their money's worth, I'm happy for them.
@@nicholasvinenTwo different Death Stars were blown up, one with a million contractors still on it after a Super Star Destroyer crashed into it. Of course OSHA would be on the scene after those types of mishaps.
@@Botzorz Maybe, either way I am glad they can find joy in it. For the most part I've learned not to talk to them about Star Wars, and they've mostly stopped talking to me about it. They're more okay about it when I mention things like how I wish the Ahsoka series had been about her and the remaining Ghost Crew during the OT and what they had been up to (maybe add a side plot with Hera debating if she even wants to bring her child into a world at war that would kill/hunt them down for having the force). I just find it insulting to say people like me (who critical of media because they think about what they read and watch) are the problem.
It used to work. Over the past 10 years we saw a wave of emotional blackmail and gaslighting like this; it actually managed to brainwash a significant portion of society. It was a very effective strategy until everything started doing it. Now people are so inundated by emotional blackmail and gaslighting, because they're constantly bombarded with it from all angles. They've become so inundated by it that they've become desensitized to it, and now, slowly but surely, more and more people are realizing that they've been manipulated, and they're starting to reject that manipulation. So, long story short; it was an extremely effective strategy. Between 2014 and 2022. By 2022, the strategy became so exceedingly overused that it lost its effectiveness. I, for one, am kinda glad they took it too far. I remember back in 2019, wondering how far the world would go down this rabbit hole of madness. I was terrified of the cultural implications of allowing emotional blackmail and gaslighting to form our public consciousness. But then they pushed the envelope too far and it backfired, and I let out a huge sigh of relief
The princess Leia''s bikini scene and outfit is so iconic, that even now many girls and women wear this to comic cons and other conventions. If it was so bad, why is it still seen as so iconic and why do girls still wear it? It also featured in popular culture a lot. The outfit even made sense in the setting, eyecandy or not. There's nothing in Disney Star Wars that will even reach this heigh of cultural impact. And this is just one outfit/scene, we're not even talking about the whole subculture that the old movies created. Disney will never be able to recreate this, unless perhaps people that created Andor or likeminded people get free reign over the whole SW property. Perhaps even people like Mike Flannagan or Denis Villeneuve. And yeah even then there will probably be some DEI, but atleast then the story will be front and center.
You gotta love the cognitive dissonance of these types. They go after that scene for being demeaning but the very same people will defend corn work as an honorable profession that isn't demeaning at all.
The thing the people writing now miss about that sequence, is that Leia literally strangles to death the male that put her in that outfit, with his own slave chain no less. You don't get any more badass than that.
@@BrandonHeat243"Doublethink is the ability to accept two contradictory beliefs as true at the same time, even if they conflict with reality or memory." -George Orwell
"Why do women wear it?" Cuz guys like it. Hard to believe, I know, but a lot of women actually _crave_ the male gaze and get offended if they don't get it.
I've said it before. Outside the feature films, Star Wars is another sci-fi/fantasy franchise. That's a niche audience. Those are the people who bought books, comics, and watched the cartoons. There is no one to replace it with because most people aren't interested in the subject matter beyond an occasional feature film. The "diverse" people interested in Star Wars WERE ALREADY STAR WARS FANS!!!
Disney is like one those shitty restraunts that Gordon Ramsey visits where the owner throws Gordon out and fires any employee who might raise an issue.
Great comparison. It’s the same type of person, who says, “People just don’t understand how great my product is, and I believe in it, so even if it fails, I don’t care!” Then two months later, “My business is failing and it’s everyone else’s fault and I’m heartbroken!”😢 😂😂😂
Imagine going for a hair cut and the barber fucks up and then says it’s your fault and you don’t appreciate their work of art, or a restaurant saying their food isn’t bad, the customers just have bad taste
I still can’t get over the fact that people/media constantly acknowledge the fact that Star Wars has a large predominantly male fanbase and instead of simply acknowledging that they just say oh that’s a huge problem. It’s like is it though?! It’s where we are with the discourse where everyone sees the same thing, but somehow we describe the situation completely differently in basically the opposite way. It’s far easier to get other fans, but keep your male fans then to try to drive your male fans away by catering to a microscopic other fandom. This is why everything fails because people assume this phantom, “modern audience” actually exists which it never did and never will.
The funny thing is Star Wars media before Disney usually age well and are more immersive because they tell stories from "a galaxy far-far away". Meanwhile, Disney's Star Wars media are so focused on the current trends and demographics and that makes their media age like milk.
Two points: Point 1, my son is 12, when he was 10, the age I saw 'A New Hope', we saw episodes 4-6 and he loved them. next we saw 1-3 and he was blown away. But, when he saw 7-9 he was not so thrilled and he was pissed off that, 'They made Luke look like an idiot.' He loved 'A New Hope'. He stopped watching 'Ahsoka' and just couldn't be bothered with 'The Acolyte' because, and I quote, 'Star Wars is boring now, it's become a girly show and the guys are all dumb.'
At this point, I've hit apathy. Disney is no longer the family-friendly and happy place we used to know. They have decided to be a niche audience company, and that's perfectly fine. They will have to pare back their employees, their budgets, their plans to cater to that audience, and probably even close their parks. They can't hemorrhage money forever.
The thing about Slave Leia is that it makes sense. It is believable that Jabba, who is a gangster, would put someone he captured in a skimpy outfit; partly to demoralize them and remind them that he owns them now. It is a head of a crime family thing to do. Where as the trash disney has made is just pandering to the smallest audience ever.
Slave Leia appeared in the final instalment. Even the guys who thirst on her agree "Empire" is the best movie, of the 3. You can put stuff like that in a show or movie. People might love it... but it won't sell a movie, if that's all it's got going for it.
I think this whole thing is a demonstration of power. They knew there would be massive backlash from fans and they did it regardless to prove a point. They also comfortably hide behind the few people that hate the show for the wrong reasons. To be honest fans should just walk away from Disney until they feel the financial consequences of their doing.
I remember all of us hating Jar Jar, NOT Ahmed Best, and I remember all of us feeling sorry for Ahmed for how he was treated and that it wasn't deserved.
Its failing cuz ppl like you that wont PAY to watch. I bet you dont even have Disney plus. You will WATCH and PAY to watch or go to jail and have your kids took away. How are the Billionaire supposed to live they lavish lifestyles you you wont PAY
I think Disney has done the entertainment impossibility. Turning Star Wars fan against current Star Wars. Fans of Star Wars lived, breathed and CONSUMED everything it had to offer. Would never has thought that possible.
"No LGB*** Storylines depicted on screen, How did cinema exist without story lines like that" Well it Thrived, unlike now...Hollywood needs CPR , DEIsney+ is on its Last breath...
Quite literally the first thing you learn in marketing 101 are the 4 P’s. The first of these is Product. A product can be defined as simply an item that addresses a consumer’s wants or needs…..clearly there is no audience that “wants” or “needs” this version of Star Wars. It’s mind blowing that ANYONE blames customers for not buying products they never wanted in the first place.
“The original trilogy is too male centric” Episode 4 literally begins with Leia and we don’t even meet Luke until her story has been set up. She’s the catalyst for the entire plot. Han isn’t introduced until 40+ minutes into A New Hope!
11:40 "Male fantasies" ... can I just draw attention to the original movie poster with a super ripped Luke Skywalker with his shirt open (something of course never seen in the movie) showing his massive pecs and six pack.
Have you noticed how when it was Lucas Star Wars the media would absolutely lay into and mock the actors, the director and just Star Wars in general. However, since it's been Disney Star Wars they've been falling over themselves to praise and defend it. I wonder why.
Disney... embrace your inner Elsa and "Let It Go." You used to be good, but you've lost your way. Either grow up or shut up, or better yet... sell the Star Wars property to someone who will actually bring dignity back to the Star Wars universe!
They should put it to auction, they might even get more than they paid for it, right? Why bother with the rest of this crap? Cut it loose already, then it's someone else's problem to deal with all those "toxic fans".
I thought the guy in the upper right corner would float away. In the time it took to play this video, He must have downed two-liters of whatever soft drink he was drinking. He out-drank The Drinker.
I'm reading Disney's attempt at a threat, but I'm hearing the old PBS public donation disclaimer: "Disney Star Wars is failing because of viewers like YOU. _Thank you!"_
They’ve confused the ability to speak your mind, with the reality that not everyone agrees with them. What they mean to say is, the internet has not made it *comfortable* for people to speak their mind. It’s perfectly *easy* as far as actualizing the state of affairs where one speaks their mind. It is not *easy* to face opposing opinions.
Imagine listing all of the features of a car like cupholders, air conditioning, a radio, leather seats, mirrors, blinkers, and literally everything else a car has to offer, and then getting mad that it has the ability to drive. That is how stupid that statement sounded. If the internet is known for one thing, if the internet has taught us all at least ONE THING, it is that EVERYONE has an opinion! No matter where you go, where you run to, or where you hide, you will hear these opinions, and there is no escape... That is, above everything else, the ONE THING that has been known, seen, and observed, since the dawn of the internet.
It's hard to even add to the conversation, because Disney just keeps repeating the SAME talking points time and time again. Instead of listening to criticisms and maybe even offering an apology, they just double down even harder. It's hilarious how many companies and Ip are doing fantastic listening to the fans instead of endlessly insulting them. My god how many more Billions must Disney lose before something changes?
My favorite thing about narcissists is that they do the damage, then call you the abusive one, and themselves the victim
Everybody wants to be the victim.
Yeppers, this isn't a healthy relationship between the fan and star wars. With no sign of an 'intervention' its best we all go our separate ways with our wallets
True. They need to grow up and start behaving like logical adult human beings.
It's amusing when they turn on each other at least.
@@stevenjackson3906 It's so childish, it's like schoolyard shit.
There's a great meme with Leia in her brass bikinis garrotting Jabba with the text, "Hardcore feminists were outraged with the portrayal of Princess Leia in Return of the Jedi...
Especially after she strangled one of them."
Now that's a banger!
Leia is a scary badass no matter what she wears. It the character that matters not what on the outside.
That's a t shirt right there😅
@@maxpower3990 The costumes just enrich a character that is already complex. That's what these "modern" writers at Disney don't understand. Making the sith lord naked doesn't enrich his character because he has no character in the first place.
Disney: "It's your fault we're losing money!"
Me: "It's far too late for flattery at this point, Disney."
😂😂😂😂
Me: Yes!
🤣😂🤣
That actually mad me laugh
Came here to post something like this myself.
Best comment I heard…
Restaurant- “It’s you, the customers, fault no one wants our sushi.”
Customer - “We ordered a pizza. It’s a pizza restaurant. It’s always been a pizza restaurant.”
And the “sushi” is the raw scrotum of a road-killed opossum.
Amy's Bakery
I wouldn't even mind the sushi but it's sushi you get food poisoning from.
Anyone else noticed how DEI has resulted in less actual alien Aliens in Starwars?
If they want this show to look more like downtown LA they should really include some "undocumented" aliens and homeless encampments.
Don't forget star trek the United Federation of Los Angeles
The fact that their article said that they expanded the universe smh. How is giving us characters who aren't actual expanding the universe? We needed to see new species, civilizations how they lived before the empire after the empire and tell us something unique not preach at us about their religion
Witch is very poorly diverse
The actual definition of DEI translates to: Being more inclusive by excluding anyone that isn't black or female.
Lando is literally a business tycoon who owns an entire fucking city. But of course he's just a stereo type
He also saves Luke Skywalker in the fan-favorite ESB.
Don't forget, he's also instrumental in blowing up the second Death Star? So, him being a hero is considered a "stereotype"?
I grew up in a country were black people almost didn't exist (Afro-American stereotype). And believe me, NO ONE said anything against Lando or questioned the character, actually was kinda cool
he also owned "tendrando" arms, a compilation of his name and his wife, Tendra. They made the infamous "YVH Droids". He's one of the richest men of the chommel sector
@@sigmacademyWait a minute... I thought Anikan blew up the deathstar!! 😂😂
Star Wars is failing because of me? Good, let it die.
I've only been out of bed for an hour and I'm already destroying Star Wars? I never knew I had such a work ethic.
Yeah, let's hope we have all that power. I don't want Disney Stork Warts to live.
personally i'm glad i could do my part as well. if THIS is Star Wars, the sooner i put it out of it's misery the better the human race will be.
@@vladpiranha You're slacking, I was destroying Star Wars in my sleep. Work smarter.
DEEEWWWW IT
I'm a 40 year old Mexican and had been a diehard for as long as I can remember. In four decades I never thought, "Why aren't there any Mexicans in this?!" I was too busy getting hyped over The Force and Jedi and Sith and thrilling space fights and loads of cool aliens.
Also, Luke Skywalker as a "hyper-masculine tough guy"? Luke's nickname was "Wormy" 😂
I'm a 38yr old black man, same as you diehard fan who was born in Africa and grew up in the UK and like you, do you know what I have NEVER thought when I first watched SW as a kid and even now??
"I need to see someone who looks like me, otherwise I can't appreciate or relate to some else work".
Those people need therapy and to get over themselves cause your diversity does NOT make you "special"; watch or create something else
These folks actually believe and would tell you that you were so oppressed you didnt know you were oppressed. Someone suggested to me just the other day that the reason Im heterosexual is because I was so oppressed by the patriarchy I couldnt see how enslaved I was and would have chosen differently if given the chance. When I pointed out that the birth rate wont be sustainable with half a population failing to reproduce heterosexually, there was no light on in their brain.. this is a religion at this point and its infected millions or hundreds of millions of zombies who vote.
@@Miltz69 And here I am, a 37 year-old white guy, acting like an idiot for being inspired by Mulan, an Asian woman. I should have known that I can only be inspired by white male characters.
As a 43 ginger new yorker, I haven't identified with any single thing in SW Cannon more than Cassian Andor....
No Mexicans in Star Wars because it was filmed in overseas in Europe.
Nothing says “out of touch” like blaming the customers for not liking the product you’ve given them.
When you are openly saying you won't make it for them
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My favorite thing is they are the "toxic" voices for anything that doesn't fit their social narrative, but they usually get absolutely DROWNED out by the positive feedback. But somehow....they and these executives still think there are more of them.
@@nefastusamator Schrodinger's victims
@@CambuiFelix ...and are openly saying you DIDN'T make it for them.
Disney : "Representation is very important."
Also Disney : "We don't want to represent 70% of the US population and 80% of the audience"
What..? They told me to f*ck off after The Last Jedi and I did.
If I had the wherewithall, I'd have left the theatre after the Yo Momma joke in TLJ. What a disaster of a film.
@@Deridus
So the first 10 minutes😂😂
Left on my own after the first one they did. Worst cinema experience of my life.
@@hypolyxa7207I fell asleep three times in the theater during E7. That’s when I knew it was no longer SW, just in name only. I still have hope, though. Iger is on his way out. Kennedy is getting weaker with each new dumpster fire. I wonder what would happen if the fanbase collectively agreed to remove all Mouse Wars from canon?
TLJ was designed to antagonize fans. The story came second, or not at all. How else do you explain the "You're nobody you have no place in this story" and "Tastes like salt" scenes? These have nothing to do with the in-universe narrative. They are there as ready made memes for consumer addicts to spam online. It felt like going to a restaurant where the waiter is rolling their eyes and you can see the cook spitting in all the food.
Forgot to mention Fisher’s own & CORRECT point about slave Leah: she was supposed to present like a sex slave because JABBA IS THE BAD GUY! Jabba made her do that, not Lucas or the fandom. That’s the whole point. The point the woke are making is that it’s bad… AND THAT’S THE POINT LUCAS WAS MAKING. These people are so shallow in basic human reasoning. How can they understand, let alone TELL, any story if the bad guy isn’t allowed to do bad things?! How do these people propose to run ANYTHING if they can’t accept that there are BAD things in the world?! Our civilizational institutions have been seized by sheltered children!
I agree, but may I add I don't understand why they get so worked up over a woman being sexy in a movie in the first place, what's the big deal? Are you so offended that a woman showed off her body? I see hundreds of girls wearing half of Leia's bikini every time I go to the beach...but of course it's empowering when they do it, but god forbid Carrie Fischer does the exact same thing? And showing chiseled men who have bodies that the average man could never attain in their wildest dreams is perfectly fine? It doesn't bother me either way, but they're so hypocritical about it. What exactly is wrong with a woman in a bikini? It's the exact same thing as a shirtless dude, and some audiences just prefer one over the other, big deal...
People like sexy things, almost like sex is a big part of our lives or something. This is just a hate group at this point, and they hate men. That's it...
@@le_fancy_squidLook at how they're uglifying video game women. MJ, Aloy, Fable (good GOD), Joanna Dark, hell even GTA 6 is playing ball.
"These people are so shallow in basic human reasoning."
What reasoning? They didn't reason themselves into their position, they adopted it wholesale from critical theory which tells them everything ever is always bad and they just have to figure out why. The "why" is obviously sexism because it's always an -ism and there are only a handful of those to choose from.
Sheltered children with machine gun technology.. what could go wrong??
@@le_fancy_squid I think its safe to say this is a religious movement and the Inquisition is on its way..
So, after years of calling out the "toxic" fans, are the "good" fans ready to appear?
There are no "good" fans for theese creators, only "correct" ones.
The “modern audience” is a myth, it’s entertainment for a fan base they want to somehow will into existence for incomprehensible reasons.
The modern audience is a single individual in some Garrett in San Francisco: a trans non-binary agender aromantic pansexual Muslim front puller wearing a see through his job in a wheelchair because of her physical disability and on a number of restraining orders because of her emotional ones. She is the modern audience. Too bad she hates Star wars, and everything else on this earth except her vegan dog with whom she has a love-hate relationship.
It's also too bad she has absolutely no f****** money whatsoever.
And yes, trans and non-binary is a ridiculous combination, but if I had a dollar for every time I heard someone claim it as their delusion or Identity or secret passphrase, I would probably be up to four figures.
Got us a logical one here!!🎉
@@averyferalkitten310They are out there, all the 9 of them. The problem though is they won't pay to see Disney SW. They are broke as f*ck and can't afford it. The best case scenario -- they watch it online or torrent it and then go to Twitter complaining about how the rest of the population are bigots. Sad bunch...
The biggest unrealised potential of Leia's character was in the sequels, where they procrastinated about giving her anything to do until it was too late and Carrie fucking _died._
She literally died waiting to be useful.
I think all of us died a bit, when we saw Leia Poppins. R.I.P. Carrie... you deserved better.
Leia was great in the 90s Trawn Trilogy, and Disney made her die of overdosing on the force...
I didn't leave Star Wars, Star Wars left me.
Bigot
As a straight woman I found Leia’s bikini a fabulous costume and Carrie Fisher looked amazing in it. The lecherous Jabba objectified women. That was the point.
Also, Jabba getting choked by someone he chained (with his OWN chain) was obviously sending a message to people like that. It's bizarre some people don't get that (or pretend they don't)?
“Luke, I am your mother.”
Jabba the Hutt
Men find beautiful women beautiful. She was strong yet feminine. She was fixing something yet trembling when Han is first flirting with her showing vulnerability…just as Han shows his when he initially feels rejected and gets upset that she isn’t immediately his.
Name any recent Disney female lead character that shows any interest in finding love or a man.
By that logic, Lucas was choking all of his fans since it was the fans who objectified her. Jabba was an animatronic puppet.
@@banhammer3904 It’s kind of a weird argument. Women are attractive to men. It actually gives women power but they have forgotten how to use it
"May you live to see _Star Wars_ reduced to a category of low-effort tv shows on a second-rate streaming service." -- ancient internet curse
Hey, hey, third-rate streaming service, let's not give them more credit than they deserve.
How d'you do Italics?
@@wesleythomas7125 You do it the hard way - the _old_ way. You do it the way we used to italicize stuff before React came along and tempted social media engineers everywhere to create useless "reactive" textfields that are less functional and more buggy than the early-2000 clumps of barely-working JS that came with phpBB out of the box.
Specifically, you put underscores around the word or the phrase to be italicized, punctuation signs included.
And yes, on TH-cam you're supposed to do it by hand. Why is there a button for adding smileys but no button for italicizing stuff? I have no idea.
@@genxer1824 _test_
@@genxer1824Right on, thanks!
Disney: "We're making Star Wars more inclusive."
Fans: "Cool, I'm excited! It's going to be good, too, right?"
Disney: "No, we're focusing on diverse, not good."
Fans: "Ummm... can't it be both?"
Disney: "No, and if you don't like it you're literally Hitler."
Fans: “THAT’S IT!” (Uses a nuclear air strike to send Disney to the Shadow Realm)
Star Wars died back in 2012, when ol George sold it all. So so sad.
Only he was happy about that...
Hmm... TFA dumped it's shot being a nothing burger then TLJ came along and retroactively made TFA pointless as a film. TLJ was simultaneously JJ trying to grab hold of a lifeline while looking for any possible marketing opportunities he could tie into Bad Robot.
@@PortfolioPL Suicide is still death
I blame the PT haters. They started it by bashing the prequels.
Same thing happened to halo. Same year too. 2012 was the last true golden year
Carrie... OMG. And... in THAT slave girl outfit, she strangles and kills Harvey the Hutt with her own slave chain. Make of that metaphor what you will. Still love that moment.
The meme where a guy is riding a bike, puts a stick between the spokes, falls and then blames anybody but himself comes to mind
Sues the bike manufacturer.. sues the town and/or property owner for leaving sticks around, sues random white guy who happened to be wiyhin 100 yard for systemic racism and toxic masculinity, sues every capitalist for causing climate change.
Dear Disney, you told me that your products are not made for me, you told me to not complain about it, you told me to not watch it. If there's someone to blame for your failures is showed right in your mirrors
It's our fault that Disney hired a talentless Minecraft character and former PA to Harvey Weinstein to direct a terrible Star Wars project? K
In Disney's defense, Les has that juicy blackmail file she compiled while procuring--uh, I mean, working--for Weinstein. Now Kathleen Kennedy has the file and Les has the career she always wanted and never earned.
how dare you you racist
Yeah, as what @billybillee8160 says, criticise her for her actions regarding starwars, but leave her minecraft heritage out of it.
You're supposed to eat the slop quietly and thank them for it.
u should apologize to Disney for having good taste and standards😂
What media is really saying when they say something like "positive voices can't be heard over the toxic fans" is that their voices, ie; the media ones can't manipulate and control things anymore. It's about power, control, and the sick thrill some get with exercising power over others.
Maybe if the "positive voices" had something of substance to talk about...
They call the fans entitled while feeling entitled to the fans' money and praise. It's textbook gaslighting and psycholocial projection.
Precisely.
They supposedly all 'knew' how 'bad' the audience was, and hate the audience, but they still bought the property anyway and want their money, right?
Or are we wrong and Disney just wants this as a vanity project? I'm sure they'd love for the next Star Wars film to have NOBODY watch them, right? Because companies just buy what was the second most profitable IP in history to do that, right?
Oh but yea, you're right, we're expected to pay them for garbage.
Y'know, it's funny that you mention it, but, seriously, I'm starting to see that type of 'anti-consumer' attitude more & more these days, & not just in Star Wars... it's like retailers honestly think they're doing the _paying customer_ some kind of favour by giving them the 'privilege' of spending their hard-earned money on whatever garbage they try to force our way - it truly is a mystery for the ages!
This
'Look dear, I think were in an abusive relationship with our entertainment companies! Time to take the RV home for the summer..'
It's a obvious marketing stunt in my pov, the whole "culture wars" on social media bubbles, that generates free marketing for your product. Look how many youtube "channels" are making videos about Acolyte, trashing it, others are saying positive things, etc.. it generates artificial attention, it's trendy ever since +- 2016~17. And here we are, giving attention to this kind of crap, talking about it, etc.. I try to filter stuff through adblocking, but in the end, even if I don't pay for Disney+, neither generating microcents for the critical drinker and other "youtubers", inadvertently I am just another cog of the marketing machine, just like you and everybody else here. When the next trend arrives, most likely it will be artificial intelligence and how it will affect our lives (this is legit, this stuff can be really dangerous for society), we will all forget this trend, just like the emos were forgotten, the grunge, the hippies, etc.. that's how it goes. Meanwhile the eastern countries are detached, living their own reality. Gotta love humanity, it's so beautiful
I love that Oola, Jabba’s Twi’lek slave dancer, is portrayed by Femi Taylor who’s a black woman- and both the actress and character are way more beloved by the fanbase than any ‘empowered’ female character Disney has come out with
And she had a see-through clothes.
I feel bad now, I really do regret my aversion to piss poor writing, bad characterisation, telegraphed plotlines and forced ideology makes me a bad consumer… really, I feel sooooooooo bad about that
"The sarcasm is strong with this one." - Darth Kennedy, probably
Good, goooood.
Now consume *product* and praise it, like a good little bottom!
Saying star wars is ruined because of me is the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.
"The customer is always wrong. Unless he shills." This is business 101.
Also Room 101.
When soap operas were popular, actors who played villains had to remind the public that they are not the rotten persons they played. People are idiots.
Really it's sad natural selection doesn't work anymore
If a restaurant advertises a cheeseburger, but serves you a cow pie with rancid milk and moldy bread, it’s not the customer’s fault you advertised crap as something good and we reject it because of the lie.
Then imagine all the people so blindly in love with the restaurant's brand that they are eating it with a literal shit eating grin and telling you it's YOU that's out of touch.
@@tankerd1847 don’t have to imagine it. What blows my mind is how it’s now our fault they served us a turd cake and are mad at us when we point it out.
There are still some people who routinely eat at McDonald's and love it so your analogy fails. It seems like a lot of people are hate watching this show, too.
@@banhammer3904 I don't think many people are hate-watching it, more likely they're enjoying watching Nerdrotic and Critical Drinker hate-watch it.
How dare you not respect the cow pie identifying as a cheeseburger! You bigot!😂😂
With the Acolyte, "Groundbreaking series" translates to: when you hit bottom, you can always start to dig
I think it was Chris Gore who said 'I miss loving Star Wars' or something to that effect. I don't even hate it, I'm just completely apathetic about it all. Good job Disney.
The way he said it made me sad. Big sad.
Apathy is worse than anger/outrage
@@douglasmunro5672apathy is death
The opposite of love is not hate. It is indifference.
Daily reminder that Leslye Headland got where she is by knowingly allowing evil to happen, helping it happen, then throwing the person she was helping under the bus for self gain. She knew everything that happened was happening and stood by and let it happen.
"But I was going into Toshi Station to pick up some power converters!" Luke said masculinely.
Don't forget that he was going to hang out with his friends. One of which was named Tank.
Luke was so awesome! And ripped! (We can, at least, assume Tank might of been)
While flexing his taught muscles beneath his sleepy time pajamas.
I did love the Robot Chicken sketch that worked off that line. (cut to strip joint) "Aaand now, the POWER CONVERTERS!!!"
Right before masulinely being knocked unconscious and saved by a geriatric hobo..
He said it ultra masculinely.
The princess Leia scene with the bikini introduced "fodder" for a generation?
Have they ever seen David Bowie and his tightly packed parcel in The labyrinth?
Generic lesbian black non binary trans watching Star Wars: "this girl is not gay or black enough, this show is racist!!!"
Random white dude watching My Little Pony: "I totally identify with Twilight Sparkle"
It always cracks me up that these people are shallow enough to only be able to identify with someone who looks like them. I think that's why they always make such bland characters, because the strongest point of their personality is literally their appearance. Sure, Darth Vader looks cool, but literally nobody looks like him because he's wearing a suit and his appearance is hidden. Yet did I run around thinking I was Darth Vader as a kid? Absolutely yes! And I loved it!
My favorite characters were R2D2, Darth Vader, The Emperor, Darth Maul, and Yoda, and I do not have a single ounce of resemblance to any of them, neither in appearance nor personality...and that is because I'm not so shallow and narcissistic to have to see a reflection of myself in a movie. Make your characters whatever race/gender you want, but please, for the love of god, make them INTERESTING and COOL god damn it!
To this day it's still fun to try and mimic Darth Vader's voice, or Yoda's, or the Emperor's, and get nowhere close but still have fun doing it; or to pretend I'm a Jedi using the force when I walk up to an automatic sliding door.
The entire nation of Mexico sees themselves in a Japanese guy not because Dragon Ball has Mexican representation but because it’s good damn damn good
@@le_fancy_squid as if people actually feel represented by experiences, problems or feelings that other humans could feel in their lifetime. But no for Disney representation comes only for your skin colour and who you choose to fuck. They don't know what emphaty is, they don't know what racism is.
@@le_fancy_squidYou’re being nice when you say people are shallow to need a character to look like them. I’ll come right out and say it’s racist-they can’t see the “human” in any other race.
@@triciacarr5019well said
Funny, how many people feel sad for Lee Jung-jae in the Acolyte. This guy wanted to be in a SW show and managed it, and good for him! We don't hate him, because he is doing what he can with a shitty script. DISNEY, write good stories and we will throw our money at you! Write shite and we will let you know. It's really simple!
Imagine having the arrogance of taking a beloved franchise, using it to spread your own message instead of good stories and then blaming the fans for being upset. I mean its unbelievable
The audacity...
It’s not arrogance. They know. It’s dogged determination. The message is their life remember.
I believe Headland is doing this war of attrition as a salve on her soul to make up for the fact that she groomed women and covered up for Weinstein for years.
And anyone that thinks the personal assistant didn't have responsibility, or any idea that women were being sexually assaulted, is riddled with cognitive dissonance.
Imagine being such a narcissist that you can't relate to the values, principles, ethics, and actions of a character unless he/she/zer/zit has the same immutable characteristics as you, then blaming fans when they point out the characters you've written don't have good values, principles, ethics, or actions, so they can't relate...
Why not just move on?
Remember how they made Lando a Robosexual in Solo?
LGBTQR+ representation right there in Empire
Bill Dee downing himself in Colt 45 after that
Can we have representation for people who enjoy thoughtful, well-written and coherent media, Disney?
Watch Andor!
Disney: "NO".
@@MetalBoozie Season 1 was phenomenal. I'm curious to see how they destroy the show in season 2 and make it unwatchable, given its one of their few successful productions at the moment.
The PA did what she did best, she brought what the people wanted up to the penthouse to defile it…
RLM'S "Don't ask questions! Just consume product, then get excited for next product!" line becomes reality with each passing day.
The line of the century and it came early
And ironically, that's exactly what they do with the SW shoes like Kenobi and the Acolyte.
fck RLM - they shat extremely on the prequels driving the rtrded sheeps after them that was partly the reason G. Lucas sold Star Wars. Now they act like it's not a big deal Star Wars is complete trash and laugh playing the innocent role, while they are one of the main culprits for the diarrhea we are getting.
Isn't the panty moistener himself, Smilo Ren, also an ultra-masculine tough guy? They show him shirtless, linger on his muscles, and he plows through a dozen Jedi like a fucking Terminator. If he weren't also evil, he'd be an 80's action movie hero.
Considering 80s heroes were destroying dozens of enemies with relatively little effort, I think there is room for comparison there? ;P
12:00 I think there was also a quote from Carrie, where someone complained to her about it. Something like how this should be explained to children. Her response was that they should explain to the kids that she was a slave and that she freed herself from that by strangling Jabba with her own chain.
Why would that scene even need to be explained to kids? I watched that movie as a kid and it was crystal clear what was happening, and why.
@@kaasmeester5903 It was some kind of Karen who only saw a woman in a revealing costume, context didn't matter.
I love how 'society' has decided that Hollywood is the one single industry on the planet where blaming the customer is considered a good marketing move. When a car company tries some new feature and nobody likes it, it won't be on next year's model. When Taco Bell or McDonalds try some new item and it doesn't sell well, it gets discontinued. That's the way the market has always worked. But Hollywood thinks that instead of changing or improving the product, they can just... shame their customers into guilt-buying? Has that worked ever? Like, literally EVER?
Just imagine Burger King paying people from random youtubers to well known food critics up to like Gordon Ramsay, to come out and demand people buy their Big Mac knockoff Big King or whatever it was called. "Why do you hate BK workers? There is no way you simply don't want our knockoff and would rather just go buy an actual Big Mac at McDonalds! Are you classist against poor little fast food workers? Buy the burger bigot!" I wonder why none of them have ever tried that as a marketing strategy... According to Hollywood, it should work.
Remember the Impossible Whopper? It didn't do well and it was MORE expensive too!
@@benrtomahawk Also had the same amount of calories and fat, so they couldn't even pretend it was any healthier.
It worked with Black Panther and Barbie, you can't deny the "allure" for investors when you release two mediocre products and they are celebrated anyway, generating billions of dollars. You can use the "culture wars" trend as a shield against criticism, if you dislike She-Hulk, Acolyte, Rings of Power, etc.. that means you are a racist, bigot, etc.. it just works, weak minded people will try to jump on the trend bandwagon because they want to be part of a group (we've all being there, I jumped on the emo bandwagon back in the mid 00s, teenagers are just stupid. Depressive people are desperate, etc). You not only generate free marketing among the social media bubbles who fights with their keyboard, you also attracts new audiences. But if you actually lose the previous audiences, I guess that could weaken the trend (who is on it's last legs in my pov). Have to wait and see, I bet many entertainment groups will desperately seek the next Barbie in the next 2 years or so, if that doesn't happen and the money is just draining away, the mainstream media will pull the breaks. Meanwhile artificial intelligence will most likely be the next "social" trend and... oh boy, this one is legitimately scary
I would love to know what website Cameron from Collider thinks was being used to dogpile on Ahmed Best or Jake Lloyd for that matter in 1999. There was no Facebook, MySpace, or any social media that could be used to "cyberbully" him. There was basically only AIM, chat rooms, and message boards.
The only major media source with a loud enough voice that could be used to complain about Ahmed or Jake was the mainstream media. Ya know, the very people that claim the fans were the ones who went after the actors. It's always "well documented," but I've never seen any receipts.
There was Usenet, but they probably haven't heard of it.
Really good point. This was also back in the day when "stuff that random internet person said" wasn't considered headline worthy.
I mean...there were loads of chatrooms and message boards on the internet in 1999, and there were plenty of people expressing distaste or even outright hatred for Jar-Jar and little Anakin. But most of them were also expressing distaste and hatred for the introduction of midichlorians, the completely nonsensical "mystery" of who Darth Sidious was, the appalling way Darth Maul was overhyped in the lead up to the film and his complete lack of impact on the story, the atrocious dialogue, the bizarre decision to try to drive the plot of a Star Wars film using trade disputes and political maneuvering, why the hell a 14 year old was _ELECTED_ queen of a planet, why that same 14 year old was getting thirsty over a 9 year old boy, etc, etc.
^ I was there. In the before times of the long long ago.
@@frocat5163 The thing is, they were talking about the Characters and never the Actors. Jake Lloyd's issues were his own mental issues (schizophrenia). Nobody knew who Jar Jar's Motion Capture guy was or cared. We cared about Jar Jar being trash.
As a Mexican I say they should rename the “cantina” scene to just the bar scene, I mean are they trying to imply that only a Mexican cantina would be full of lawlessness and tough alien hombres ???
Tatooine is basically space Mexico.
Nah, the cantina I went to on a vacation to Mexico was perfectly fine... Of course, it was in a closed resort, and they had checkpoints and police in body armor with m4 patrolling every 15 minutes :)
Heard a coworker and manager talking about The Acolyte and praising it. Saying that Star Wars fan are so annoying because you can't just have the movies and nothing else or whatever. Yet they couldn't name a single character, they could only describe them. Nor did they seem to be able to describe why they thought the character's journey was interesting just that they wanted to see where it went. Truly the sign a of a great show right there, guys. But I guess I'm the problem for wanting better.
Reminds me of all the people who loved _Ready Player One_ but the only stuff they ever gushed about were the references and cameos.
I thought Ready Player One was enjoyable. Not earth shattering but it had characters and a story and stakes.
Anyway I haven't seen The Acolyte but I can name a character: OSHA. I'm still not sure why Occupational Health & Safety is in Star Wars though. Maybe they need to install railings inside the death star reactor. Someone could fall to their death...
they were probably on their phone or making diner in the other room during most of the runtime and saw some lightsabers in the corner of their eye. If they feel they got their money's worth, I'm happy for them.
@@nicholasvinenTwo different Death Stars were blown up, one with a million contractors still on it after a Super Star Destroyer crashed into it. Of course OSHA would be on the scene after those types of mishaps.
@@Botzorz Maybe, either way I am glad they can find joy in it. For the most part I've learned not to talk to them about Star Wars, and they've mostly stopped talking to me about it. They're more okay about it when I mention things like how I wish the Ahsoka series had been about her and the remaining Ghost Crew during the OT and what they had been up to (maybe add a side plot with Hera debating if she even wants to bring her child into a world at war that would kill/hunt them down for having the force). I just find it insulting to say people like me (who critical of media because they think about what they read and watch) are the problem.
The series called Yes Minister best said it when the Minister in the show opened up a new hospital and said pitty it has to be full of patients
My GP practice actually works this way.
They can’t guilt people in to buying that rubbish.
EXACTLY💯💯. They can try but it won’t work.
It used to work. Over the past 10 years we saw a wave of emotional blackmail and gaslighting like this; it actually managed to brainwash a significant portion of society. It was a very effective strategy until everything started doing it. Now people are so inundated by emotional blackmail and gaslighting, because they're constantly bombarded with it from all angles. They've become so inundated by it that they've become desensitized to it, and now, slowly but surely, more and more people are realizing that they've been manipulated, and they're starting to reject that manipulation.
So, long story short; it was an extremely effective strategy. Between 2014 and 2022. By 2022, the strategy became so exceedingly overused that it lost its effectiveness. I, for one, am kinda glad they took it too far. I remember back in 2019, wondering how far the world would go down this rabbit hole of madness. I was terrified of the cultural implications of allowing emotional blackmail and gaslighting to form our public consciousness. But then they pushed the envelope too far and it backfired, and I let out a huge sigh of relief
That's been the woke game for decades - using blame and shame to guilt people into doing what they want.
they still can count on soy based lifeforms furiously gaslighting themselves on reddit
I've never been blocked by twitter accounts faster than I have while telling Acolyte simp accounts how wrong they are
The princess Leia''s bikini scene and outfit is so iconic, that even now many girls and women wear this to comic cons and other conventions. If it was so bad, why is it still seen as so iconic and why do girls still wear it? It also featured in popular culture a lot. The outfit even made sense in the setting, eyecandy or not.
There's nothing in Disney Star Wars that will even reach this heigh of cultural impact. And this is just one outfit/scene, we're not even talking about the whole subculture that the old movies created. Disney will never be able to recreate this, unless perhaps people that created Andor or likeminded people get free reign over the whole SW property. Perhaps even people like Mike Flannagan or Denis Villeneuve. And yeah even then there will probably be some DEI, but atleast then the story will be front and center.
You gotta love the cognitive dissonance of these types. They go after that scene for being demeaning but the very same people will defend corn work as an honorable profession that isn't demeaning at all.
The thing the people writing now miss about that sequence, is that Leia literally strangles to death the male that put her in that outfit, with his own slave chain no less.
You don't get any more badass than that.
@@BrandonHeat243"Doublethink is the ability to accept two contradictory beliefs as true at the same time, even if they conflict with reality or memory."
-George Orwell
Male gaze = bad 👎
Male gays = good 👍
"Why do women wear it?" Cuz guys like it. Hard to believe, I know, but a lot of women actually _crave_ the male gaze and get offended if they don't get it.
I've said it before. Outside the feature films, Star Wars is another sci-fi/fantasy franchise. That's a niche audience. Those are the people who bought books, comics, and watched the cartoons. There is no one to replace it with because most people aren't interested in the subject matter beyond an occasional feature film. The "diverse" people interested in Star Wars WERE ALREADY STAR WARS FANS!!!
It used to be an ironic joke when Randall said “This job would be great if it wasn’t for the f@&*in’ customers”. Now it’s their actual opinion.
Yup. It's narcissists making products for themselves, then complaining customers aren't getting on their knees to praise it/them for it.
Man... I was going to post the exact same thing.
There's a Russian mayor who said that the city would've been great if it weren't for the people living there mucking it up
The reason there are no "Black" people in OG Star Wars is limited budget, so they hired local actors. English and Tunisian.
If I'd known I was responsible for writing and acting in the show, I'd have done something vastly different.
"The future of Star Wars should be focussed on representation and inclusivity"
Awwwwww - look at them, thinking Star Wars has a *future*
Disney is like one those shitty restraunts that Gordon Ramsey visits where the owner throws Gordon out and fires any employee who might raise an issue.
id like to see jon taffer walk around disney, and then scream "shut it down!"
"Franchise Nightmares" sounds like a solid show premise at this point
I wish this was all fiction too but sadly it's real
Great comparison. It’s the same type of person, who says, “People just don’t understand how great my product is, and I believe in it, so even if it fails, I don’t care!” Then two months later, “My business is failing and it’s everyone else’s fault and I’m heartbroken!”😢 😂😂😂
Disney: Star Wars is failing because of you !
Fans: You have done that yourself
It's failing because of us? I'll Drink to that!
Imagine going for a hair cut and the barber fucks up and then says it’s your fault and you don’t appreciate their work of art, or a restaurant saying their food isn’t bad, the customers just have bad taste
Disney needs to learn that we do not owe them anything. They need to do better.
Disney: You have turned fans against me!
Everyone with a working brain: You have done it yourself!
Damn, I feel awful now. I guess I’ll just have to learn how to love shitty writing for Star Wars to survive.
I still can’t get over the fact that people/media constantly acknowledge the fact that Star Wars has a large predominantly male fanbase and instead of simply acknowledging that they just say oh that’s a huge problem. It’s like is it though?!
It’s where we are with the discourse where everyone sees the same thing, but somehow we describe the situation completely differently in basically the opposite way.
It’s far easier to get other fans, but keep your male fans then to try to drive your male fans away by catering to a microscopic other fandom. This is why everything fails because people assume this phantom, “modern audience” actually exists which it never did and never will.
The funny thing is Star Wars media before Disney usually age well and are more immersive because they tell stories from "a galaxy far-far away". Meanwhile, Disney's Star Wars media are so focused on the current trends and demographics and that makes their media age like milk.
They don’t age like milk.
Largely because the turnaround is so fast that it doesn’t have a chance to age.
it's not in a galaxy far far away anymore, but from a small place with a narrow single minded political worldview very very close by
The GFFA is basically just downtown L.A.
Asking for the pronouns alone dates it so far back, and it hasn't been out for a week.
I bet the "unrealized potential" for Leia they're talking about is that she never had the chance to try a demiqueer transmasc lesbian relationship.
Two points: Point 1, my son is 12, when he was 10, the age I saw 'A New Hope', we saw episodes 4-6 and he loved them. next we saw 1-3 and he was blown away. But, when he saw 7-9 he was not so thrilled and he was pissed off that, 'They made Luke look like an idiot.' He loved 'A New Hope'. He stopped watching 'Ahsoka' and just couldn't be bothered with 'The Acolyte' because, and I quote, 'Star Wars is boring now, it's become a girly show and the guys are all dumb.'
Smart kid
I feel we can all stop watching Platoon’s 90 minute critiques because your son expressed it so pithily.
(Platoon, jk)
It's true across the board. Male characters are either tyrannical monsters, or passive weak idiots.
At this point, I've hit apathy. Disney is no longer the family-friendly and happy place we used to know. They have decided to be a niche audience company, and that's perfectly fine. They will have to pare back their employees, their budgets, their plans to cater to that audience, and probably even close their parks. They can't hemorrhage money forever.
The thing about Slave Leia is that it makes sense. It is believable that Jabba, who is a gangster, would put someone he captured in a skimpy outfit; partly to demoralize them and remind them that he owns them now. It is a head of a crime family thing to do. Where as the trash disney has made is just pandering to the smallest audience ever.
Slave Leia appeared in the final instalment. Even the guys who thirst on her agree "Empire" is the best movie, of the 3. You can put stuff like that in a show or movie. People might love it... but it won't sell a movie, if that's all it's got going for it.
I think this whole thing is a demonstration of power. They knew there would be massive backlash from fans and they did it regardless to prove a point. They also comfortably hide behind the few people that hate the show for the wrong reasons. To be honest fans should just walk away from Disney until they feel the financial consequences of their doing.
Disney: "It is YOUR FAULT that you don't like what WE served you!"
One thing I am impressed is the fact that Amandala Stenberg has the same number of facial expressions as C-3PO 😶
When your fundamental enemy is normalcy, anything normal is your enemy.
It’s never enough for these people. And it will never be enough.
My cat just took a huge, greasy, stinky Acolyte in her litter box.
I remember all of us hating Jar Jar, NOT Ahmed Best, and I remember all of us feeling sorry for Ahmed for how he was treated and that it wasn't deserved.
They tried this after the last Jedi. It didn’t work then, and it won’t work now.
Its failing cuz ppl like you that wont PAY to watch. I bet you dont even have Disney plus. You will WATCH and PAY to watch or go to jail and have your kids took away. How are the Billionaire supposed to live they lavish lifestyles you you wont PAY
I don't think they've stopped since _The Worst Jed-Eye..._
I think Disney has done the entertainment impossibility. Turning Star Wars fan against current Star Wars. Fans of Star Wars lived, breathed and CONSUMED everything it had to offer. Would never has thought that possible.
The internet expected by some to be a giant 'hug box'? THAT'S my new favorite phrase.
TwoFace put it beautifully, "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become Leslye Headland."
"No LGB*** Storylines depicted on screen, How did cinema exist without story lines like that" Well it Thrived, unlike now...Hollywood needs CPR , DEIsney+ is on its Last breath...
It used to be that people could relate to a character's values and actions, even if they didn't have the same immutable characteristics...
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Its also funny that all this lgb things have made people more intolerant of them.
@@taagsthat's what people tend to do when you force stuff down their throat
@@anonygent Your side is losing Leslie
Quite literally the first thing you learn in marketing 101 are the 4 P’s. The first of these is Product. A product can be defined as simply an item that addresses a consumer’s wants or needs…..clearly there is no audience that “wants” or “needs” this version of Star Wars. It’s mind blowing that ANYONE blames customers for not buying products they never wanted in the first place.
Disney Star Wars is the equivalent of walking into a Michelin star restaurant and being served a Pot Noodle. Then when we complain we’re told tough.
Soooo true.
“The original trilogy is too male centric” Episode 4 literally begins with Leia and we don’t even meet Luke until her story has been set up. She’s the catalyst for the entire plot. Han isn’t introduced until 40+ minutes into A New Hope!
Fans of any franchise are under no obligation to like what's presented to them.
Imagine where a companies biggest paying customers would be an issue...
11:40 "Male fantasies" ... can I just draw attention to the original movie poster with a super ripped Luke Skywalker with his shirt open (something of course never seen in the movie) showing his massive pecs and six pack.
Have you noticed how when it was Lucas Star Wars the media would absolutely lay into and mock the actors, the director and just Star Wars in general.
However, since it's been Disney Star Wars they've been falling over themselves to praise and defend it. I wonder why.
Disney... embrace your inner Elsa and "Let It Go." You used to be good, but you've lost your way.
Either grow up or shut up, or better yet... sell the Star Wars property to someone who will actually bring dignity back to the Star Wars universe!
They should put it to auction, they might even get more than they paid for it, right? Why bother with the rest of this crap? Cut it loose already, then it's someone else's problem to deal with all those "toxic fans".
Or better yet, let them go bankrupt and have the last laugh.
Disney: "The fans are the problem."
Me: "Twice the pride, double the fall."
Remember when ICP back in the day said fuck Disney and the Disney CEO we should have listened to Shaggy and Violent J
Juggalo gatherings are more diverse than Disney boardrooms
Disney shows... how the fck do they work?
No. I'm not retarded so have never listened to icp
🪓🏃♂️
To be fair, they also said to hook up with fat chicks...so it's more a "broken clock is right twice a day" thing.😂
I thought the guy in the upper right corner would float away. In the time it took to play this video, He must have downed two-liters of whatever soft drink he was drinking. He out-drank The Drinker.
I hope they will put me in the credits of "The Acolyte", for being responsible for killing it by not watching it.
Disney "No questions, no thoughts, consume!"
The force it’s truly female
Owns none of her mistakes and blames you instead
Mixing Star Wars AND the DC Universe: Accountability is their kryptonite, and the absolute tell that Star Wars is ran by XX chromosomers.
I lament that I have two thumbs but can only give this one thumbs up.
Check your misogyny
@@VoidSurfer9 Leslie is that you?
Nop FOCCE IS TULY MANN
I'm reading Disney's attempt at a threat, but I'm hearing the old PBS public donation disclaimer:
"Disney Star Wars is failing because of viewers like YOU. _Thank you!"_
They’ve confused the ability to speak your mind, with the reality that not everyone agrees with them.
What they mean to say is, the internet has not made it *comfortable* for people to speak their mind.
It’s perfectly *easy* as far as actualizing the state of affairs where one speaks their mind.
It is not *easy* to face opposing opinions.
Imagine listing all of the features of a car like cupholders, air conditioning, a radio, leather seats, mirrors, blinkers, and literally everything else a car has to offer, and then getting mad that it has the ability to drive. That is how stupid that statement sounded. If the internet is known for one thing, if the internet has taught us all at least ONE THING, it is that EVERYONE has an opinion! No matter where you go, where you run to, or where you hide, you will hear these opinions, and there is no escape... That is, above everything else, the ONE THING that has been known, seen, and observed, since the dawn of the internet.
@@le_fancy_squid "That is how stupid that statement sounded."... which statement?
@@brando3342 The one you mentioned, what they said in the video where they spoke about the internet not letting you express free speech.
@@le_fancy_squid Oh, you mean the bit about it not being easy to speak your mind. Not my statement, but theirs. Gotcha 👍
It's hard to even add to the conversation, because Disney just keeps repeating the SAME talking points time and time again.
Instead of listening to criticisms and maybe even offering an apology, they just double down even harder.
It's hilarious how many companies and Ip are doing fantastic listening to the fans instead of endlessly insulting them.
My god how many more Billions must Disney lose before something changes?