Wow love the PR20 and M69! I have an SM57 already...looking for a mic to blend it with. Had my eye on the e906, didn't love my experience with the e609. But you've opened my eyes to PR20 and M69 as well. MD421 was also nice. Great shootout.
@@JonnyRocksAW Dave Rat (of Rat Sound, Inc.) just did a teardown of the Sennheiser MD421 (also did an MD441) on his channel. Totally cool to see what's on the inside of their case design. 😎
I actually found the Beyerdynamic fizzy and harsh. My favorites were the Shure Unidyne and the Sennheiser e609. They had the smoothest top end, which I find very helpful for avoiding that brittle-sounding quality that high gain guitars can have.
That’s where blending always appeals more to me than single mic. You can take some of that fizz and lower the volume of it essentially with a fatter second mic, or try and phase out some of it. Sometimes that top end helps cut.. sometimes is trash lol
Can I just say that Orange Cab sounds so good! Is that a Vintage one? Any idea what year? Also what speakers are in it? Like V30's, or Blackbacks or something? They def sound like Blackbacks/Greenbacks if I had to guess, but maybe I'm wrong ha. Personally, for the usual suspects, Im a 421, or an SM7 kinda guy. Never cared for 57's as much as an Sm7. Whenever I compare them, it almost always wins. I also modded the grill on one of mine(a little trick there, and also makes grill position shootouts more even.
Judging from this video. not sure why so many raved on the M69 - a bunch of the mid range frequencies were just missing and sounded thin and shrill. the first Unidyne is my pick.
Love those unidynes, so gritty and awesome, but I love the m69 too bc it’s just a little different and unique. I like to pair it with the VR1 ribbon for fatness
@@burningguitarsoul I ALWAYS blend, so this video isn't the perfect show of what I do, but I liked hearing the individuals bc it helps me pick how I do blends!
To my ears I surprisingly heard the opposite: the M69 felt really full, whilst the Unidyne felt, not necessarily thin, but scratchy at the top end. Either way, I feel like they would combine well together
I assume this is one take reamped from your daw into the amp? That being said, I really liked the M69 also. A lot of beef, but not muddy. The 421 was nice too. The two would probably be a nice compliment to each other, either panned hard left and right with different takes or even on the same speaker same take. Thanks for this shootout
I haven’t had them side by side, but the M88 is Hyper Cardioid and has a lower low than the M69 from just my memory of the two. The M69 is an amazing microphone. A pair in stereo for the top of a Leslie for guitar is just pure bliss. And it’s great on speakers that don’t spin too. Ha
Recording noob question . When you record, how many dbs is it in your daw? I tried recording vocals but also guitar without clipping and it just sounds quiet . Like in the saw to share it at a seemingly adequate volume I’m boosting the volume to almost zero db. Where do you have it? Usually? And is it normal for it to sound so low ? Idk if I’m expecting it to sound like a finished record in loudness but I guess I ended a reference to do it properly . I definitely need to put compressors one it to feel like I can hear it well. For example to match the volume where you have it in this video I’d be somewhere near 0 or higher db for sure . Side note , even when recording vocals I’m not clipping and yet if I go a lil louder I clip , get the volume isn’t very loud at all , I don’t get it! Any advice?
Hey man I’m stoked you reached out to me and want to know, but I think rather than me try and describe it in a comment, you should search “gain staging” on TH-cam here and find some videos about it! There is so much great information that would go into much greater depths than I could in this comment!
I think I just usually hear people record at -12 db, which to me never sounds right . In my daw at -4 db it’s just so dull , it’s hard to get a gauge . I have to boost highs and mids /compress to get something that doesn’t sound bland . Idk
@@heythere6983 I personally push the gain until it’s as loud as possible without clipping. Some would say that’s wrong, but again it’s the gain staging all the way to finished mix that matters!
Very true, absolutely something I should have mentioned. As much as I like the 421, it’s SO expensive compared to something like the Unidyne that I picked up used for $50!
Sooo i’m really ignorant about this. Alwats thought “ho gain: sm57”. Do you think i may try any dynamic mic without breaking it on hi gain guitar, or is there any limit to consider?
I'm using a sE Electronics X1 all the time on guitars, which is a large-diaphragm condenser. So in my experience you are not even limited to dynamic mics. I usually use the X1 and a SM57 and end up using mostly the X1 in the mix. Besides that every microphone has some maximum sound pressure that you can read up.
They weren't post processed, but they're most definitely doubled tracked, bc that's how I record guitars, so to be that is a clear comparison in a real world situation.
1:28 Shure Unidyne III (#1)
1:43 Shure Unidyne III (#2)
1:58 Shure SM57
2:14 Shure Beta 57A
2:29 sE V7 X
2:44 Heil PR20
3:00 Beyerdynamic M69
3:15 Sennheiser MD421
3:31 Sennheiser e609
Wow love the PR20 and M69! I have an SM57 already...looking for a mic to blend it with. Had my eye on the e906, didn't love my experience with the e609. But you've opened my eyes to PR20 and M69 as well. MD421 was also nice. Great shootout.
@@JonnyRocksAW Dave Rat (of Rat Sound, Inc.) just did a teardown of the Sennheiser MD421 (also did an MD441) on his channel. Totally cool to see what's on the inside of their case design. 😎
This might be the best tone I've heard in a guitar cab shootout. So for once, every mic sounds good in its own way!
This. and also, many mics that should very different sounded pretty close... mixed sounds?
@@dinmentor yeah that was a surprise to me as well!
Holy crap the Unidyne's sound amazing
Next level no doubt.
Do you happen to know what year on both of those Unidyne's? I am thinking of picking up an 83 @@CoryBrunnemann
@@tomashcroft7024 I’m not sure tbh, but def get one! It’s incredible on snare if you’re brave enough to put one there lol
I will never not love the sound of the 421...that growl is just something else
agreeeeee
Nice review. I just ordered the Sennheister e609
A slept on mic!
No one else said it yet, I LOVE the riff
it was heavily inspired by (stolen) and simplified from these guys that I recorded!
th-cam.com/video/s3RQE-riQTc/w-d-xo.html
I actually found the Beyerdynamic fizzy and harsh. My favorites were the Shure Unidyne and the Sennheiser e609. They had the smoothest top end, which I find very helpful for avoiding that brittle-sounding quality that high gain guitars can have.
That’s where blending always appeals more to me than single mic. You can take some of that fizz and lower the volume of it essentially with a fatter second mic, or try and phase out some of it. Sometimes that top end helps cut.. sometimes is trash lol
Dang, that M69 is incredible
Honestly my favorite of these ones, was surprised!
I found it really fizzy and harsh. It was my least favorite.
I think the fly on the SM7B had the best tone
To be honest, they all sounded great to me!
Can I just say that Orange Cab sounds so good! Is that a Vintage one? Any idea what year? Also what speakers are in it? Like V30's, or Blackbacks or something? They def sound like Blackbacks/Greenbacks if I had to guess, but maybe I'm wrong ha. Personally, for the usual suspects, Im a 421, or an SM7 kinda guy. Never cared for 57's as much as an Sm7. Whenever I compare them, it almost always wins. I also modded the grill on one of mine(a little trick there, and also makes grill position shootouts more even.
@@jamescassidy4045 not vintage but well used. It has the v30s in it.
@@jamescassidy4045 also yeah the 421 has such a unique sound and sits really well in a mix always!
M69 is a beast holy shit
I liked your sound and I liked the B M69 I think it will go good with the sm57 and M160 so I'm gonna try it! Thanks for posting it helps!
for sure man I'm glad you got something out of it!
Judging from this video. not sure why so many raved on the M69 - a bunch of the mid range frequencies were just missing and sounded thin and shrill. the first Unidyne is my pick.
Love those unidynes, so gritty and awesome, but I love the m69 too bc it’s just a little different and unique. I like to pair it with the VR1 ribbon for fatness
@@CoryBrunnemann sounds like a good combination.
@@burningguitarsoul I ALWAYS blend, so this video isn't the perfect show of what I do, but I liked hearing the individuals bc it helps me pick how I do blends!
To my ears I surprisingly heard the opposite: the M69 felt really full, whilst the Unidyne felt, not necessarily thin, but scratchy at the top end. Either way, I feel like they would combine well together
Give a try to EV ND46, very similar mic to MD421 I think, great on guitar as well.
I assume this is one take reamped from your daw into the amp? That being said, I really liked the M69 also. A lot of beef, but not muddy. The 421 was nice too. The two would probably be a nice compliment to each other, either panned hard left and right with different takes or even on the same speaker same take. Thanks for this shootout
Yeah, best way to keep it scientific is one take, getting reamped! Thanks for watching! ✌️
Beyerdynamic
Heil PR20
Shure SM57
In that order.
is the m69 comparable with the m88? it actually sounded awesome
I’ve only been around the m88 and not used one myself! I would love to pick one up tho
I haven’t had them side by side, but the M88 is Hyper Cardioid and has a lower low than the M69 from just my memory of the two.
The M69 is an amazing microphone. A pair in stereo for the top of a Leslie for guitar is just pure bliss. And it’s great on speakers that don’t spin too. Ha
Recording noob question .
When you record, how many dbs is it in your daw? I tried recording vocals but also guitar without clipping and it just sounds quiet .
Like in the saw to share it at a seemingly adequate volume I’m boosting the volume to almost zero db.
Where do you have it? Usually? And is it normal for it to sound so low ? Idk if I’m expecting it to sound like a finished record in loudness but I guess I ended a reference to do it properly . I definitely need to put compressors one it to feel like I can hear it well.
For example to match the volume where you have it in this video I’d be somewhere near 0 or higher db for sure . Side note , even when recording vocals I’m not clipping and yet if I go a lil louder I clip , get the volume isn’t very loud at all , I don’t get it!
Any advice?
Hey man I’m stoked you reached out to me and want to know, but I think rather than me try and describe it in a comment, you should search “gain staging” on TH-cam here and find some videos about it! There is so much great information that would go into much greater depths than I could in this comment!
I think I just usually hear people record at -12 db, which to me never sounds right . In my daw at -4 db it’s just so dull , it’s hard to get a gauge . I have to boost highs and mids /compress to get something that doesn’t sound bland . Idk
@@heythere6983 I personally push the gain until it’s as loud as possible without clipping. Some would say that’s wrong, but again it’s the gain staging all the way to finished mix that matters!
Wanted to add another comment, you don't mention price, but some of these sound the same and are hundreds of $$ less expensive.
Very true, absolutely something I should have mentioned. As much as I like the 421, it’s SO expensive compared to something like the Unidyne that I picked up used for $50!
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agree with you on the m69. Very please with the sound.
I did like the 609 honestly
Audio interface used?
Antelope Orion 32
Sooo i’m really ignorant about this. Alwats thought “ho gain: sm57”. Do you think i may try any dynamic mic without breaking it on hi gain guitar, or is there any limit to consider?
If I'm not mistaken, most dynamic mics are pretty tough. Besides you can gauge it by the level on your DAW's PPM meter.
I'm using a sE Electronics X1 all the time on guitars, which is a large-diaphragm condenser. So in my experience you are not even limited to dynamic mics.
I usually use the X1 and a SM57 and end up using mostly the X1 in the mix. Besides that every microphone has some maximum sound pressure that you can read up.
Double tracked? Sounds like it.
Notification squad let's gooooo
sorry for the adolescent beard
md421 with sm57 would be huge
yeah that's a great combo, I use it all the time.
Checkout the NOISE 42157 Dual Recording Mic Clip. It combines a SM57 with a MD421.
3:50 a wild fly on mic
They all sounded good except the Heil TBH. Which is pretty cool because most of these mics are cheap.
yessss!
These are post-processed and 2 guitar parts. NOT a clear comparison whatsoever.
They weren't post processed, but they're most definitely doubled tracked, bc that's how I record guitars, so to be that is a clear comparison in a real world situation.
@@CoryBrunnemann Are you saying there was zero compression or EQ on these tracks? Straight, RAW recording?
This is a really bad choice of music to play to compare these microphone
you want some dad jazz next time like every other video on youtube?
Beta 57, Heil PR20, Senn 421, Beyer69.