Oh man, I scored a super Nintendo from a car boot sale for 4 pounds, opened it up to clean it (because it was pretty dirty) and it was a freaking 1 CHIP! How lucky! It works, too!
@Anton Eckhart I have a Super Famicom (Japanese Super Nintendo) and a Sega Genesis, as for a CRT I have a 27' Emerson from 2005 with a flat picture tube and S video, it's no high end PVM but it's pretty good especially the S video.
WOW, This video required some hard work and technical know-how. I appreciate being featured too! It's great seeing the comparisons of all the SNES versions and modern emulation. Glad to see the SNES I modded for you had top notch video quality compared to the others. Your entire video series is a great resource for RGB gamers or regular Gamers wondering what all the fuss is about.
RetroFixes, I want a super famicom chip 1, do I get the same quality and sharpness of the snes mini modded?. And is there a way to fit the snes mini modded boards inside a super famicom console?
I can't really see much of a difference between 1chip and RGB modded mini. I couldn't see much of a difference on my own consoles, and I couldn't see much of a difference in this video. I RGB modded a mini and used that as my main SNES console until I finally got my hands on a 1-chip Super Famicom. I sold the mini and have no regrets. Here's my order of preference among the SNES units with sharp video output. 1Chip Super Famicom - Looks fantastic on both the screen and on the shelf. Totally worth it even though you will need an adapter to play North American games. RGB Modded SNES Mini - Excellent video quality, and the console itself looks pretty nice too. Easily modified to run both Japanese & North American games with no adapters. 1Chip SNES - Exact same video output as 1chip Super Famicom, but the console itself doesn't look as pretty. Easily made compatible with Japanese games. RGB Modded Super Famicom Jr. - No reason to pick this over a SNES Mini. They look almost exactly the same except the SFC Jr. will need an adapter to play American games.
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>be me age 20 university student >i see new "my life in gaming video" >oh one about snes (hellyeah.jpg) >i am enlightened >rgb, pvm, 1-chip... but i am just a s-video lcd peasant >the retro master race has asked me to join >i accept >buy pvm (lookslikabeautifulwomen.png) >get 1-chip, and scart cables >suddenly i ascend to the heavens >thisisitbaby >i leave my life behind to become a pixel elitist >spend 200 bucks on outdated electronics for games i can play for free on my computer >worth
I had to laugh at 3:53 "We thought S-Video was the ultimate solution for SNES video quality" *[forlorn, sad music] * "But unfortunately, a lot of TV companies stopped supporting it"
I used to think that RGB Scart or RGB through component was the best way to play retro consoles until I started getting good at fine tuning old crts and lcds (flatscreens) to look the best and compared RGB (fine tuning) to S-Video (fine tuning) and so far S-Video has won every time. I'm not sure if its because S-Video has less saturated colors (and gives more room to fine tune) but I play all my consoles with S-Video if possible now and RGB scart or component second if S-Video is not available on a console. In my opinion S-Video at its best can look better than RGB. I know supposedly S-Video is taking the picture from RGB but S-Video looks better when both images are fine tuned. The colors look better in S-Video and S-Video has a cleaner image in motion. S-Video with a good hi quality gold plated cable gives the same sharpness and brightness as hi quality gold plated scart and gold plated component cables but the difference is the color which might look better at a first glance in RGB with the TV's standard or reset options but when fine tuning for RGB Scart or RGB Component and S-Video. S-Video looks better and even the color looks better and in motion S-Video looks better. Now for the ones who dont have access to S-Video or RGB Scart or RGB Component. Remember if you are using Composite. A hi quality gold plated composite cable will look a lot better than the original cable and the same with RF. I have a hi quality gold plated rf cable that looks better than what the original consoles rf cable does image and sound wise. But to keep it simple Hi Quality Gold Plated cables are the best.
Yeah Composite video on my sony trinitron model from 2006 looks almost as good as Component HD retrovision quality on my snes console, it is insane how good some of these CRT TV's were built by Sony.
Used to play on a CRT via scart back in 91 and always thought it looked way better than friends systems. Didn't think it would get better than that but wow some really good tips in this video.
Excellent work guys! I've got an SNES Mini that I restored S-Video on and love it. Still gotta look into restoring RGB. Excited to hear that it has (arguably) the best RGB output. :)
2:13 The bit about "mind blowing 3D" not being possible on direct competition is incorrect. Sega did the exact same thing as Nintendo by releasing Virtua Racing on the Genesis in full 3D using a special chip in the cartridge.
I’m glad you guys mentioned those vertical lines on dark screens. I was sure there was something wrong with my setup (s-video on a crt) otherwise it looks fantastic. I’m relieved. Great video!
guys, I just wanted to thank you for making these awesome comprehensive videos... I haven't learned this much from any other you tube channel... keep up the great work!
i've been using RGB on my snes and jag and genesis for years. thanks to custom cables and a Commodore 1084s monitor. it may be small but man what clarity. Good video.
I used RGB SCART on my SNES and my Master System before that. It was the only way to play back then! It still amazes me that RGB just wasn't an option in the US. I can't imagine watching DVDs over S-video or composite and being happy with it. Its like you never actually got to see how good DVD video can actually looked.
Have there been any developments on tracking down the source of the blur in 2 chip SNES consoles? I know the 1 chip has such a clearer image out of the box, which makes it _easy_, but it'd be nice to see if progress is possible with the 2 chip, considering it is not affected by the odd glitches the 1 chip experiences... Also I have a 2 chip! :P
@@justanotheryoutubechannel After doing some research, it seems like a Japanese modder developed some sort of solution in 2019 or so. This went completely over people's heads, it seems; understandable why Try and Coury haven't covered it.
I'm from the UK and had a north american SNES which I bought when it was released there, It was modded by a local grey importer and a scart cable was directly wired into the case of the unit (the made a hole in the case for the cable). I'm not sure how this was wired up internally as I never opened it. It used a SCART connector but due to NSTC standard it only worked on 60Hz screens, most UK screens were 50Hz and only some suppored 60Hz. When i first bought it I didn't have a TV that supported it and the only way I could get it to work was through my families VHS player to the TV. However the picture was only in black and white for whatever strange reason. The next paycheck I bought some 15" portable TV which it worked fine with. In the UK the pal SNES ran 17.5% slower than other region SNES due to the lower refresh rate on the screens there, some short cuts in super mario kart were impossible due to the slower speed. The higher vertical resolution of PAL region screens also caused the system to show black bars on the top and bottom of the screen image so it looked squashed. So glad I bought an imported SNES, not only did I have it way before it released in the UK but it was a much superior experiance.
Hey, just wanted to let you know that I took your advice and got a Snes Jr and got it RGB modded. Never thought I would ever see such amazing picture from an original snes console. Thanks a ton guys!
I really enjoyed the video, but for starters like me, it's still a bit confusing to understand what is a good (not necessarily the best) configuration without having to spend much or making any mods. So, 1 Chip + Component cables, I assume?
[Try4ce] This video is quite old and plenty of options have come since. Before you buy another console model, I'd try what you already have with the RetroTINK-2X MINI. While it does not support RGB or component, it does composite and S-video, and even includes a solid SNES S-video cable. It's a softer picture than something like the OSSC or Framemeister, but it's a HUGE jump up over a direct composite connection to an HDTV, and you'll have less input lag to boot. I think it's easily the best and most affordable starting point for your kind of situation.
6:55: If this is the case, then I'll stick to the blurry original SNES. I feel like perfect game accuracy is more important than sharper picture quality, especially if the original's quality is good enough for me.
The Super Famicom looked like such a cool machine. I had a Sega Genesis when I got my SNES in 1991. I remember opening it and thinking...what did they do too you. The purple looks so stupid that I actually kept my SNES hidden inside my entertainment center in my bedroom. I was a pretty lucky kid as I had two TV's in my bedroom one big screen and a 32 inch CRT screen. My Genesis/Sega CD was permanently connected to my big screen and the SNES was connected to my 32 inch (colors popped better on the CRT and the depth looked so much better on the big screen for my Genesis). Plus I am and will always be a Sega diehard. That does not mean I disliked the Snes... oh no, I love that machine equally to my beloved Genesis and that is saying alot about the quality of the SNES. I do not feel the same about the original Nes. I can't do these modifications to my consoles as I want them to stay as they are. It is very interesting just not enough for me to crack them open. Very informative and fun video, I learned quite a bit. I might consider buying a second SNES and Genesis to mod... just not my consoles from my childhood (I have them all with their original packaging from the years they came out- Genesis '89, SNES '91, and Sega CD '92 too name a few). My SNES and Nes are not yellowed at all.
The newer RGB Pre-Made mod parts for SNES Mini as well as 1Chip consoles (THS7374 not THS7314) are better than any version as they completely bypass any internal "fuzzing" even if it is slightly
It's like they just copy and paste Retrorgb and hook it up to an HD TV. It's so cringey. Feels like my 60 year old father is making a "best" video videos with zero tech knowledge other than Google. And good lord stop telling people to use HDTVs
It really does look best, but the slower Super FX gameplay speed on 1CHIPs is a deal breaker for me. I like the _smoothness_ picture quality of an older SNES from the early 90s.
As one earlier comment suggests, the vertical lines on older SNES's can be deleted by soldering a pair of 220uf/25v capacitors to pin 1 and pin 5 of the video encoder chip (BA6592F) and the +5vdc and ground pins of the 7805 voltage regulators. There are other instructional videos on TH-cam for this mod for those who don't have the option of RGB video output.
"The 7th Mode, Mode 7" Technically it's the 8th mode. What would you call Mode 0? The Zeroth mode? Plus the AV MultiOut was first used in the AV Famicom.
Man I can see why this got real complex. So many little caveats to the image quality. I'm looking forward to those HD Retrovision cables coming out. Seems like quite a decent quality image from them. Look forward to more of these, particularly Saturn and Gamecube. There's some weirdness with regional configurations of those machines where the output abilities were changed for reasons.
+Mellow Gaming [Try4ce] The HD Retrovision cables are really good - I hope the SD captures and the direct-to-TV off-screen shots do them justice... I didn't want to do the full Framemeister upscale deal to not cause confusion about what they can do, but through the Framemeister, it's just as sharp as you would hope. I'm really looking forward to using them with my CRT!
+My Life in Gaming CRT is the only way to go with RGB, or if you can get one a PVM - Video monitor that has RGB....LCD is just a waste imho hence why people are scooping up sony tritrons and wegas
+VideoGame Polak Sad thing is I just recently helped someone take a 13 yr old old Sony Vega to the dump. The TV gave up the ghost and the repair cost was some $300. If it was a easier repair I would taken the Wega myself, but at $300 I can find another working model for less. Part of the issue with the old CRT screens is there no clue how much life these displays has left.
+VideoGame Polak I use to say the same thing before I had an XRGB-Mini. Can't tell you how good it feels to put away the old CRT and make room for better stuff. I redid my entire living room, lot more space and looks a lot better than before.
+theimporter one bad thing about newer LCD, and Plasma TV's are the fact that you can't play old school light gun games on them, which is why I keep a 32in Panasonic CRT with S-video, and component in the den near my fireplace when I want to pull out my NES, Master system, or SNES from storage for those games
Been meaning to ask this for a while but I kept forgetting to: a while back, I bought an SNES (original model) and a C-Sync SCART cable from retro_console_accesories on eBay. Despite making sure to get the C-Sync version of the cable and not Sync-on-Composite, I still get a strong checkerboard effect when playing the SNES. Any idea as to why that could be?
[Try4ce] Hmmm I wonder if the wrong cable could've been sent. I've never seen checkerboarding with CSYNC, unless you're using a switcher and more noise is being introduced. I strongly recommend the "multicore upgrade" that retro_console_accessories offers... it does make the cables pretty expensive, but it helps suppress both audio noise and video noise pretty significantly, especially when using a switcher. It even makes it so that sync-on-composite looks just as good as sync-on-luma and CSYNC.
I had an issue similar to this, and it turned out to be the console. I bought another SNES console and that fixed the problem. Is this what you see: www.videogameperfection.com/forums/topic/using-snes-getting-checkerboard-on-some-solid-colors/
+daniel dussault It took them over a minute to get to the stuff we are looking for based on the title. I almost gave up and that would have likely caused me to block the channel. I may sub even though my old eyes don't freaking care about this vid. Composite is good enough for me. I have a 1 chip and it sits in the box because...I like it there.
Tiberius Wallace snobbery? not even, its more about getting it to work properly, unfortunately there are only 2-4 devices out there that handle the signal properly and they cost what they cost.
[Try4ce] Ah, that's Terranigma. It's developed by the same team that did Soul Blazer and Illusion of Gaia. Coury absolutely loves it, and I can't wait to get around to playing it myself. It looks awesome.
So my grampa was clearing out his garage and giving out my brother's old toys to kids, when he had one last box left. He brought it to me and said "take a look if you are interested", and I pissed my pants when I saw a PAL SNES in a box. Everything was included and the console was LITERALLY brand new!!! 0 scratches, no yellowing, no oxidizing and the controllers were basically new! Now I'm playing with my 28 year old cousin's SNES almost every week 2-3 times because it deserves a spot next to my Wii U!
I think i'll take the purest way and stick to using a 10 inch crt tv with component. It looks miles better than on an HDMI and I won't have to spend extra money because everything was already in the box :D
The european SCART plug supports Composite Video, S-Video and RGB all in one and this three signals can be used as input or output. For to use a S-Video cable you only need a simple adapter plug that has S-Video input female plug and a Scart output male plug, and be sure that the TV suport this signal. I have a old Phillips TV that has two SCART ports and one of this supports the three types of signals and the other one only Composite Video.
Thank you for this video, i whas waiting for it :) Recently i got a PAL SNES (i live in Europe) and it suprised me how clean the image whas from it on my HD TV. Normaly i can be a pain in the ass on image of old consoles, but this whas better then i imagend. Signal in goes trough the red, white and yellow plugs. Great informative video, always a watch for every retro video gamer.
Amazing episode and you deserve a medal for working so hard on this episode. I actually wanted the Mini mostly because of the design, kind of like how I prefer the top loader NES over the front one. I just don't like the design of the US SNES as much as the Famicom or the Mini, and getting a mini, and I also seen modes with the LED light installed so I might go that route. Plus, my system has a NU3 serial number but for some reason it works with the CSYNC cable I got for it so it might be a 1CHIP-2 or something. I wish I had a way to open up my console. Thanks for explaining the SNES guys, I would be more lost without it!
+BladeBlurX [Try4ce] You know, some cables that I bought as CSYNC worked in the 1CHIP-03 I borrowed... made me nervous, because I was like, oh no, was that just misinformation out there, and now I gotta change the script AGAIN? I opened the system to confirm it was 03, and it was... but then I tried the same cable on my N64 and it worked (it shouldn't have). I got out another CSYNC cable, and it worked with neither the N64 or the 03... so, mystery solved. I don't know WHAT that cable is, but it's not CSYNC. As for the Mini, I have to confess that I've grown rather attached to its design myself. I used to not think that much of it, but after I got my own, I started to think it had some pretty sleek contours. The LED installed in mine is maybe just a tad too bright, though it doesn't bother me anymore... nice touch making it purple to match everything. I sorta miss the eject button, though it does release carts quite easily! While the Japanese/PAL design of the original larger console is pretty nice, I feel like I've never understood the argument that it was waaay better than the US SNES... it's not my all-time favorite console design or anything, but I like it just fine.
+My Life in Gaming The cable I originally got worked on the SNES AND the N64 so I figured it might be the 02. I guess I just don't like the blockiness feeling of it, and the famicom just looks slicker. It doesn't make it bad or anything, just preference.
+My Life in Gaming Sounds like the cable-maker either fibbed or made a mistake on the claim of it being csync-based. I remember when I got my 1CHIP-03, the csync RGB cable I had showed nothing but a blank screen. That's when I learned about the 03's not having csync hooked up and had to restore it myself with a mod.
Awesome job guys! Very well put together video!!! I knew most of this from weeks of research reading lengthy forum threads. Oh how I wish I would have watched this video first :) the added visuals and comprehensive information about each option makes this the ultimate guide the SNES video outputs.
I used to think that RGB Scart or RGB through component was the best way to play retro consoles until I started getting good at fine tuning old crts and lcds (flatscreens) to look the best and compared RGB (fine tuning) to S-Video (fine tuning) and so far S-Video has won every time. I'm not sure if its because S-Video has less saturated colors (and gives more room to fine tune) but I play all my consoles with S-Video if possible now and RGB scart or component second if S-Video is not available on a console. In my opinion S-Video at its best can look better than RGB. I know supposedly S-Video is taking the picture from RGB but S-Video looks better when both images are fine tuned. The colors look better in S-Video and S-Video has a cleaner image in motion. S-Video with a good hi quality gold plated cable gives the same sharpness and brightness as hi quality gold plated scart and gold plated component cables but the difference is the color which might look better at a first glance in RGB with the TV's standard or reset options but when fine tuning for RGB Scart or RGB Component and S-Video. S-Video looks better and even the color looks better and in motion S-Video looks better. Now for the ones who dont have access to S-Video or RGB Scart or RGB Component. Remember if you are using Composite. A hi quality gold plated composite cable will look a lot better than the original cable and the same with RF. I have a hi quality gold plated rf cable that looks better than what the original consoles rf cable does image and sound wise. But to keep it simple Hi Quality Gold Plated cables are the best.
Damn, I'm swimming in so much information. I can already wager a guess my SNES is the early one since it's been yellowed for a long time and I got it for as long as I can remember. Thanks for this, and now I'll be saving this so I can get the best quality for my SNES.
Hey Fanta, big fan of you and Whites channel. I also live in Tucson and also do some game hunting every once in awhile, mostly on the south side of town though. Anyways, yeah I have a Framemeister and it is definately the best way to play games on an HDTV. RGB makes all the games feel fresh and new. These videos are the most informative and give the best explanations on how to improve your video quality. Good luck.
+Fy S [Try4ce] Took a lot to get all the facts straight! I was very impressed with how well the 1CHIPs (and the Mini) hold up to each other side-by-side. For all of the debate surrounding the differences between 1CHIP revisions, at the end of the day, the differences are so negligible compared to the huge jump in picture quality that any 1CHIP or modded Mini has when upgrading from the older systems.
Actually, you don't. Yeah the Framemeister is the ultimate in upscaling capabilities, but you can get cheaper alternatives that have only minor differences in video output quality. For $40 or less, you can buy SCART-to-HDMI upscalers that look good enough compared to the Framemeister. I did that and it looks just fine on an HDTV.
Bobofett 72 well if you were alive back then and a teen you’d know Sega completely owned the “cool” factor of the day, and nerds that went around talking about their SNES were taunted and mocked. It’s just the way it was. The SNES was lame, it’s what little kids got so they could play Mario, and it’s what parents bought kids who were overly mothered. The SNES nerd peak was the censored Mortal Kombat game - after that Nintendo finally caught onto the fact only mommas boys and nerds and little kids bought the thing - so they finally changed it up, said no more censoring of games, got new advertising and then they started to explode in sales. But even that had more to do with Sebastian botching their lead with the Sega CD and 32X.
Donkey Kong Country wasn't cool - and it's an awful game - probably the most overrated game ever created in terms of the hype it gets. It had really good graphics at the time, but the game itself was garbage, and also it's aged terrible, it's now quite an ugly game. Anywho by the time DKC came Sega was already on to the 32X after Sega of Japan had completely given up the Genesis. Regardless the SNES was never cool. Also those Sega kids that were teens when the Genesis came out, by the mid 90s they were moving out of their home, because back in the 90s that's what you did, only nerds that played the SNES lived with their parents after turning 18. So when you're 18-19-20 and going to college and/or have a job and you don't live at home, you're not worried about playing videos games, you're worried about getting poontang. Plus Sega priced themselves out of the entry level market because they flooded the market with so many devices, the Genesis, the Sega CD, the 32X, the Nomad, the GameGear, the PICO, the CDX and finally the Saturn. Meanwhile the SNES was what the kid on welfare could afford since that's all they had to get.
Wooooow, I started taking your class two days ago been burning threw videos like crazy, im a huge game collector and gamer. a real old man wither of video games starting with arcades and the commodore 64,. iv worked my magic and collected numerous stuff sens 1988. I was hoping to start a channel about game history, and streaming a few times a month was looking into the Retrotink 2x when i stumbled into your channel. You are selling me on the Framister everything looks amazing in RGB. unfortunately its way out of my budget and im still set on the retrotink for now,. but ooooh boy the more i watch these vids the more i wanna dive into RGB output. AMAZING.
I sent my SNES mini to Wes from Retro Fixes last week for an RGB mod. Now that I know about the THS7314, I'm more excited than ever to try out my modded console once I get it back. As always, thanks for such an excellent video, Try4ce and Coury.
+spiritcore [Try4ce] Wes reviewed our script for technical accuracy, and while I knew nothing of the RGB mod parts previously, I was surprised to learn that it was why the vertical line is basically completely gone!
Are you guys aware of the internal mod that can source component ypbpr video? I have also seen pictures of a guy who modified a small component to hdmi converter to fit inside the SNES, when I get some coin I miss get one and break out the soldering iron! Lol
I love the comparisons that you guys do, they're are the best. And I also love how how you also explore options for people that don't want to spend too much time and money. I know that you guys are focusing on 2D retro consoles, but I was wondering if videos about getting the best quality on the Gamecube could eventually come somewhere in the future.
+arturboy [Try4ce] Thanks! We never want anyone to feel bad about using a simpler (cheaper!) solution. If you're happy with it, that's all that matters. That's why we present as many options and considerations as we can... what's right for our setups may not be right for yours. We will definitely get to consoles like Gamecube, PS2, etc. in the future. It's my understanding that there's about to be some breakthroughs in the Gamecube world, so that's pretty exciting!
Purchased an SNES off of the Goodwill Auction web site for &29 + S&H, the earlier model starting with UN14. I also purchased Super Mario Bros. All Stars, a universal adapter for NES, SNES, and Genesis model 1; as well as the AV cable at my local Disc Replay shop. Can't wait to play SMBAS with my Sony PVM-9L1.
Great video. Not a big fan of the XRGB mini myself though, I'm using a Sony PVM instead, mostly because of the low input lag and beautiful looking scanlines.
I've had the snes mini my whole life and used Rf up until a year ago.. it had a little switch box that went into the multi out and came with the system
I wonder if it is possible to make something like the VI De-Blur Device that the N64 has but for older SNES/Super Famicom Consoles. Sure you can't get into the SNES' Digital Video Signals at all, but perhaps it could be sort of like how Tim Worthingtion's Newer RGB Boards have a De-Blur Function. Perhaps it could look even better than 1Chip Consoles!
The vertical centerline disappears completely if you solder on a 470uf capacitor with above 6.5V rating on the center and output line (negative on center, and positive on output) of the power regulator inside the SNES. This also works on the Super Famicom.
Great video as always. I've been generally disappointed with the RGB signal from my original Super Famicom. Up until this video I'd been considering tracking down a SNES instead. Now you've got me convinced I just need to mod my mini!
I have a 32' LCD screen with s-video built in that's been going strong for the last 10 years that I run my NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube and PS1 through. It also supports component and HDMI. The only thing that does stay connected all the time is my Genesis Model 1 since it doesn't support any of those outputs but I'm looking into modding it for s-video.
I do kinda wish they touched on the jittery signal that the SNES Jr has though. Idk if any of the original SNES consoles suffer from the same issue. But when I got a SNES Jr modded for RGB, it looked great!.... On a monitor that is. Yeah for some reason my 4K Vizio would not display the video from the system (via the OSSC). I had to send my SNES Jr to a different modder, who installed a Dejitter board, and when I got it back it worked flawlessly on my TV. From what I understand the NES RGB also suffers from the same potential issue. I bought an NES premodded with the Dejitter, so I don't know if my TV would have had the same issues without the dejitter for that console, or not.
AMAZING!! quick question. at 12:50 you advise against using European scart cables for north american SNES. Ok. But does this ALSO apply to the Scart adapter that is plugged into the Framemeister? On retro console accessories ebay store, it seems like the adapter is intended for "European" scart cables. I cant tell if they are distinguishing only between JP21 cables vs. Euro--or if they are also intending to say that north american cables wouldnt work either. Keep up the good work!
I got used to Super Metroid over S-Video and then switched to component. I could definitely tell a difference, but I’m just it’s very dependent on the actual TV you use
You guys have the same Toshiba TV as me that I see in the background of your reviews. Its pretty nice, but your videos convined me to hunt down a Sonyy PVM (I got a PVML2) and the RGB cable for my SNES. Games look freaking AMAZING in this configuration. I think I'd agree with your summary that composite->svideo is a much bigger jump than s-video to RGB, and if you hypothetically hacked a straight RGB signal into that Toshiba set you might not even be able to tell the difference, I do consistently notice one major benefit to RGB. Any time red is layered on top of another color, it smears horizontally with s-video, so you lose some color definition. One of the best comparisons i noticed was the heart life meter in Link to The Past... red hearts with a white outline on an often-green background. Thats color-smear city. I don't know if you address it in any of your videos, but I'd say, for example, component video is just as good as RGB though there may be system specific exceptions. Since, in either case, you're skipping the awful NTSC amplitude/phase modulated color signal, you're getting nearly full color bandwidth even if a specific system has to go RGB->Component and then your TV does Component->RGB. Just sharing my thoughts, but all in all, thanks for enlightening me on RGB gaming on pro monitors - the differences between s-video and RGB may be subtle, but the difference between a basic TV w/ svideo vs a sony RGB monitor are NOT subtle.
Oh man, I scored a super Nintendo from a car boot sale for 4 pounds, opened it up to clean it (because it was pretty dirty) and it was a freaking 1 CHIP! How lucky! It works, too!
Wow that’s crazy
only 4 pounds? wow.
4 pounds? Man that had a lot of dirt :P
Congrats! That kind of find would have me bragging for years =D
Damn and I thought finding a Megadrive for a tenner was a bargain!
I will always say that, to this day, the SNES and Sega Genesis were the best consoles ever made.
You gotta have both! There are so many great games on them, exclusives, most games ran at 60 frames per second, making gameplay smooth.
Seeing the Megadrive running Strider and Ghouls n Ghosts for the first time is one of my fondest childhood memories!
@@PaperBanjo64 would you by the megaSG? I want a CRT again..really do..a PVM BVM would be great..or a very good CRT.
@@PaperBanjo64 what do you have?
@Anton Eckhart I have a Super Famicom (Japanese Super Nintendo) and a Sega Genesis, as for a CRT I have a 27' Emerson from 2005 with a flat picture tube and S video, it's no high end PVM but it's pretty good especially the S video.
WOW, This video required some hard work and technical know-how. I appreciate being featured too! It's great seeing the comparisons of all the SNES versions and modern emulation. Glad to see the SNES I modded for you had top notch video quality compared to the others.
Your entire video series is a great resource for RGB gamers or regular Gamers wondering what all the fuss is about.
RetroFixes, I want a super famicom chip 1, do I get the same quality and sharpness of the snes mini modded?. And is there a way to fit the snes mini modded boards inside a super famicom console?
I can't really see much of a difference between 1chip and RGB modded mini. I couldn't see much of a difference on my own consoles, and I couldn't see much of a difference in this video. I RGB modded a mini and used that as my main SNES console until I finally got my hands on a 1-chip Super Famicom. I sold the mini and have no regrets.
Here's my order of preference among the SNES units with sharp video output.
1Chip Super Famicom - Looks fantastic on both the screen and on the shelf. Totally worth it even though you will need an adapter to play North American games.
RGB Modded SNES Mini - Excellent video quality, and the console itself looks pretty nice too. Easily modified to run both Japanese & North American games with no adapters.
1Chip SNES - Exact same video output as 1chip Super Famicom, but the console itself doesn't look as pretty. Easily made compatible with Japanese games.
RGB Modded Super Famicom Jr. - No reason to pick this over a SNES Mini. They look almost exactly the same except the SFC Jr. will need an adapter to play American games.
I dont mean to be so off topic but does someone know of a trick to get back into an instagram account..?
I was stupid lost the account password. I would appreciate any tips you can give me!
@Bryan Davian instablaster =)
@Maxton Forrest I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site on google and Im trying it out now.
I see it takes a while so I will reply here later with my results.
I come for the insertion shots.
PropellerBusted that’s what she said
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The production quality of these videos is truly outstanding - someone is doing a lot of work ~ !
Nice tune too.
Thanks.
I just noticed how Yoshi jumps at the same time that Coury mentions a "jump in quality" at 3:49 . Well played! This video is a work of art.
Seriously - this video is really, really well done. Great job guys! :)
>be me age 20 university student
>i see new "my life in gaming video"
>oh one about snes (hellyeah.jpg)
>i am enlightened
>rgb, pvm, 1-chip... but i am just a s-video lcd peasant
>the retro master race has asked me to join
>i accept
>buy pvm (lookslikabeautifulwomen.png)
>get 1-chip, and scart cables
>suddenly i ascend to the heavens
>thisisitbaby
>i leave my life behind to become a pixel elitist
>spend 200 bucks on outdated electronics for games i can play for free on my computer
>worth
top kek
Dont forget the 450 dollar framemeister
Yee Ha
this aint 4chan boi
damn it, that’s me
I had to laugh at 3:53
"We thought S-Video was the ultimate solution for SNES video quality"
*[forlorn, sad music] * "But unfortunately, a lot of TV companies stopped supporting it"
I used to think that RGB Scart or RGB through component was the best way to play retro consoles until I started getting good at fine tuning old crts and lcds (flatscreens) to look the best and compared RGB (fine tuning) to S-Video (fine tuning) and so far S-Video has won every time. I'm not sure if its because S-Video has less saturated colors (and gives more room to fine tune) but I play all my consoles with S-Video if possible now and RGB scart or component second if S-Video is not available on a console. In my opinion S-Video at its best can look better than RGB. I know supposedly S-Video is taking the picture from RGB but S-Video looks better when both images are fine tuned. The colors look better in S-Video and S-Video has a cleaner image in motion.
S-Video with a good hi quality gold plated cable gives the same sharpness and brightness as hi quality gold plated scart and gold plated component cables but the difference is the color which might look better at a first glance in RGB with the TV's standard or reset options but when fine tuning for RGB Scart or RGB Component and S-Video. S-Video looks better and even the color looks better and in motion S-Video looks better.
Now for the ones who dont have access to S-Video or RGB Scart or RGB Component.
Remember if you are using Composite. A hi quality gold plated composite cable will look a lot better than the original cable and the same with RF.
I have a hi quality gold plated rf cable that looks better than what the original consoles rf cable does image and sound wise.
But to keep it simple Hi Quality Gold Plated cables are the best.
Yeah Composite video on my sony trinitron model from 2006 looks almost as good as Component HD retrovision quality on my snes console, it is insane how good some of these CRT TV's were built by Sony.
I'd love a video on different lightguns. How they work and how to get the best experience with each.
I watched it. Great technically and I love that guys stuff. But not as instructional as MLIG usually is. It's why they're so great and unique.
Herring and Chips
The Sinden light gun might be able to help there. 😁
1:56 It's great to hear about oneself from time to time
The thing I love about your videos is that you add little sound effects
Used to play on a CRT via scart back in 91 and always thought it looked way better than friends systems. Didn't think it would get better than that but wow some really good tips in this video.
2022 purchaser here. I went with a launch model snes through S-Video. Really sharp on a 04 CRt Flat. Gives it a crisp look without going overboard.
S video is plenty good enough.
Excellent work guys! I've got an SNES Mini that I restored S-Video on and love it. Still gotta look into restoring RGB. Excited to hear that it has (arguably) the best RGB output. :)
SuperDerek RPGs I dunno how you restored S-video without restoring RGB
2:13 The bit about "mind blowing 3D" not being possible on direct competition is incorrect. Sega did the exact same thing as Nintendo by releasing Virtua Racing on the Genesis in full 3D using a special chip in the cartridge.
And the Mega Drive's own CPU is also better for 3D without enhancement chips as well due to its multiplication and division capabilities.
@@Nikku4211 not to mention the frequency which is basically double of the snes's.
I’m glad you guys mentioned those vertical lines on dark screens. I was sure there was something wrong with my setup (s-video on a crt) otherwise it looks fantastic. I’m relieved. Great video!
guys, I just wanted to thank you for making these awesome comprehensive videos... I haven't learned this much from any other you tube channel... keep up the great work!
Great video guys! I didn't know about all these different revisions of the SNES and how different their video output works...
i've been using RGB on my snes and jag and genesis for years. thanks to custom cables and a Commodore 1084s monitor. it may be small but man what clarity. Good video.
I used RGB SCART on my SNES and my Master System before that. It was the only way to play back then!
It still amazes me that RGB just wasn't an option in the US. I can't imagine watching DVDs over S-video or composite and being happy with it. Its like you never actually got to see how good DVD video can actually looked.
Dan Xepha GB bros?
Funny DVD content over composite on a 13 inch CRT blows VHS out of the water
that intro of your videos is BEAUTIFUL!!! it takes me back to 80´s and 90´s like magic!
Have there been any developments on tracking down the source of the blur in 2 chip SNES consoles? I know the 1 chip has such a clearer image out of the box, which makes it _easy_, but it'd be nice to see if progress is possible with the 2 chip, considering it is not affected by the odd glitches the 1 chip experiences... Also I have a 2 chip! :P
I heard that someone might’ve figured it out the other day, but I just heard the rumour, I don’t know more yet
@@justanotheryoutubechannel After doing some research, it seems like a Japanese modder developed some sort of solution in 2019 or so. This went completely over people's heads, it seems; understandable why Try and Coury haven't covered it.
I'm from the UK and had a north american SNES which I bought when it was released there, It was modded by a local grey importer and a scart cable was directly wired into the case of the unit (the made a hole in the case for the cable). I'm not sure how this was wired up internally as I never opened it. It used a SCART connector but due to NSTC standard it only worked on 60Hz screens, most UK screens were 50Hz and only some suppored 60Hz.
When i first bought it I didn't have a TV that supported it and the only way I could get it to work was through my families VHS player to the TV. However the picture was only in black and white for whatever strange reason. The next paycheck I bought some 15" portable TV which it worked fine with.
In the UK the pal SNES ran 17.5% slower than other region SNES due to the lower refresh rate on the screens there, some short cuts in super mario kart were impossible due to the slower speed. The higher vertical resolution of PAL region screens also caused the system to show black bars on the top and bottom of the screen image so it looked squashed.
So glad I bought an imported SNES, not only did I have it way before it released in the UK but it was a much superior experiance.
Really loving this RGB series. I now have an excellent resource to send to people who always ask "Is RGB really worth it/THAT different/etc."
+Crunch Foe i did RGB to 5 retros and its totally worth it
+RideRedRacer I can't go back to anything less now, lol
oh ya definitely not. haha
Hey, just wanted to let you know that I took your advice and got a Snes Jr and got it RGB modded. Never thought I would ever see such amazing picture from an original snes console. Thanks a ton guys!
[Try4ce] Great to hear! That is also my main SNES these days!
@@mylifeingaming Honestly half my setup is as good as it is down to your amazing videos!
I really enjoyed the video, but for starters like me, it's still a bit confusing to understand what is a good (not necessarily the best) configuration without having to spend much or making any mods.
So, 1 Chip + Component cables, I assume?
[Try4ce] This video is quite old and plenty of options have come since. Before you buy another console model, I'd try what you already have with the RetroTINK-2X MINI. While it does not support RGB or component, it does composite and S-video, and even includes a solid SNES S-video cable. It's a softer picture than something like the OSSC or Framemeister, but it's a HUGE jump up over a direct composite connection to an HDTV, and you'll have less input lag to boot. I think it's easily the best and most affordable starting point for your kind of situation.
6:55: If this is the case, then I'll stick to the blurry original SNES. I feel like perfect game accuracy is more important than sharper picture quality, especially if the original's quality is good enough for me.
*I. CAN'T. RECOMMEND. YOU. GUYS. ENOUGH.*
My childhood Snes IS a 1chip! I was extremely lucky I've only encountered 1 other since then.
The Super Famicom looked like such a cool machine. I had a Sega Genesis when I got my SNES in 1991. I remember opening it and thinking...what did they do too you. The purple looks so stupid that I actually kept my SNES hidden inside my entertainment center in my bedroom.
I was a pretty lucky kid as I had two TV's in my bedroom one big screen and a 32 inch CRT screen. My Genesis/Sega CD was permanently connected to my big screen and the SNES was connected to my 32 inch (colors popped better on the CRT and the depth looked so much better on the big screen for my Genesis). Plus I am and will always be a Sega diehard. That does not mean I disliked the Snes... oh no, I love that machine equally to my beloved Genesis and that is saying alot about the quality of the SNES. I do not feel the same about the original Nes.
I can't do these modifications to my consoles as I want them to stay as they are. It is very interesting just not enough for me to crack them open. Very informative and fun video, I learned quite a bit. I might consider buying a second SNES and Genesis to mod... just not my consoles from my childhood (I have them all with their original packaging from the years they came out- Genesis '89, SNES '91, and Sega CD '92 too name a few). My SNES and Nes are not yellowed at all.
That opining closing music is so awesome!!! It's very nostalgic for me.
Subscribed!
6:45 Here come dat boi
o shit why you invisible?
Thank you so much. I upgraded to a scart cable from composite and was amazed at the difference. You guys rock!
the lines at 8:57 can be heavily reduced by adding capacitors to the voltage regulator and the video encoder chip.
Nice Wolfenstein Pic!
Nice Metallica pic
What is the game with the knight on 7:07 looking like golden axe? :)
1Chip02 looks best to me
I think I agree but....it's really splitting hairs. I think I'd happy with any RGB unit.
The newer RGB Pre-Made mod parts for SNES Mini as well as 1Chip consoles (THS7374 not THS7314) are better than any version as they completely bypass any internal "fuzzing" even if it is slightly
It's like they just copy and paste Retrorgb and hook it up to an HD TV. It's so cringey. Feels like my 60 year old father is making a "best" video videos with zero tech knowledge other than Google. And good lord stop telling people to use HDTVs
RoomerJ cool story
It really does look best, but the slower Super FX gameplay speed on 1CHIPs is a deal breaker for me. I like the _smoothness_ picture quality of an older SNES from the early 90s.
As one earlier comment suggests, the vertical lines on older SNES's can be deleted by soldering a pair of 220uf/25v capacitors to pin 1 and pin 5 of the video encoder chip (BA6592F) and the +5vdc and ground pins of the 7805 voltage regulators. There are other instructional videos on TH-cam for this mod for those who don't have the option of RGB video output.
The Super Nintendo is such a magnificent console...🤘🏼❤️💯✔️
This channel needs more subs. It has some of the best technical knowledge for retro gamers around.
"The 7th Mode, Mode 7"
Technically it's the 8th mode. What would you call Mode 0? The Zeroth mode?
Plus the AV MultiOut was first used in the AV Famicom.
Such a well produced show, well done guys, subscribed
Man I can see why this got real complex. So many little caveats to the image quality. I'm looking forward to those HD Retrovision cables coming out. Seems like quite a decent quality image from them.
Look forward to more of these, particularly Saturn and Gamecube. There's some weirdness with regional configurations of those machines where the output abilities were changed for reasons.
+Mellow Gaming [Try4ce] The HD Retrovision cables are really good - I hope the SD captures and the direct-to-TV off-screen shots do them justice... I didn't want to do the full Framemeister upscale deal to not cause confusion about what they can do, but through the Framemeister, it's just as sharp as you would hope. I'm really looking forward to using them with my CRT!
+My Life in Gaming CRT is the only way to go with RGB, or if you can get one a PVM - Video monitor that has RGB....LCD is just a waste imho hence why people are scooping up sony tritrons and wegas
+VideoGame Polak Sad thing is I just recently helped someone take a 13 yr old old Sony Vega to the dump. The TV gave up the ghost and the repair cost was some $300. If it was a easier repair I would taken the Wega myself, but at $300 I can find another working model for less. Part of the issue with the old CRT screens is there no clue how much life these displays has left.
+VideoGame Polak
I use to say the same thing before I had an XRGB-Mini. Can't tell you how good it feels to put away the old CRT and make room for better stuff. I redid my entire living room, lot more space and looks a lot better than before.
+theimporter one bad thing about newer LCD, and Plasma TV's are the fact that you can't play old school light gun games on them, which is why I keep a 32in Panasonic CRT with S-video, and component in the den near my fireplace when I want to pull out my NES, Master system, or SNES from storage for those games
1:56 Mode 7 is the 8th video mode, not the 7th, because the 1st video mode is called Mode 0.
Been meaning to ask this for a while but I kept forgetting to: a while back, I bought an SNES (original model) and a C-Sync SCART cable from retro_console_accesories on eBay. Despite making sure to get the C-Sync version of the cable and not Sync-on-Composite, I still get a strong checkerboard effect when playing the SNES. Any idea as to why that could be?
[Try4ce] Hmmm I wonder if the wrong cable could've been sent. I've never seen checkerboarding with CSYNC, unless you're using a switcher and more noise is being introduced. I strongly recommend the "multicore upgrade" that retro_console_accessories offers... it does make the cables pretty expensive, but it helps suppress both audio noise and video noise pretty significantly, especially when using a switcher. It even makes it so that sync-on-composite looks just as good as sync-on-luma and CSYNC.
I'm getting the same problem. Do you guys think it's because I'm using a passive sync SCART adapter to my XRGB Mini?
I had an issue similar to this, and it turned out to be the console. I bought another SNES console and that fixed the problem. Is this what you see: www.videogameperfection.com/forums/topic/using-snes-getting-checkerboard-on-some-solid-colors/
These videos are well produced and have actual applicable info. Surprised these don't have more views.
+daniel dussault It took them over a minute to get to the stuff we are looking for based on the title. I almost gave up and that would have likely caused me to block the channel. I may sub even though my old eyes don't freaking care about this vid. Composite is good enough for me. I have a 1 chip and it sits in the box because...I like it there.
+Ted Soto you are old.
You guys really hard sell the Framemeister.
+RangerParus check out this video where we present over 30 minutes worth of alternatives to the Framemeister th-cam.com/video/lHoOKLWIMKU/w-d-xo.html
I was going to say. I have an upscaler and it converts to HDMI and I purchased it for 45. Works great.
no it doesn't, good $45 scalers don't exist.
I do find the obsession for having expensive high end tech and equipment snobbery amusing when you're talking 240/480.
Tiberius Wallace snobbery? not even, its more about getting it to work properly, unfortunately there are only 2-4 devices out there that handle the signal properly and they cost what they cost.
Awesome info. What us the game shown at 2:11 (Right after Final Fantasy VI)?
[Try4ce] Ah, that's Terranigma. It's developed by the same team that did Soul Blazer and Illusion of Gaia. Coury absolutely loves it, and I can't wait to get around to playing it myself. It looks awesome.
So my grampa was clearing out his garage and giving out my brother's old toys to kids, when he had one last box left. He brought it to me and said "take a look if you are interested", and I pissed my pants when I saw a PAL SNES in a box. Everything was included and the console was LITERALLY brand new!!! 0 scratches, no yellowing, no oxidizing and the controllers were basically new! Now I'm playing with my 28 year old cousin's SNES almost every week 2-3 times because it deserves a spot next to my Wii U!
Lol you have so much lucky!
I think i'll take the purest way and stick to using a 10 inch crt tv with component. It looks miles better than on an HDMI and I won't have to spend extra money because everything was already in the box :D
This channel has helped me so much setting up my sony pvm, keep the quality coming guys!
For april fools you guys should do an RGB2XX series for the vectrex.
I think I watch this at least once a week...
YOU GUYS ARE GODS!!!
I really love those technical videos :D
The european SCART plug supports Composite Video, S-Video and RGB all in one and this three signals can be used as input or output. For to use a S-Video cable you only need a simple adapter plug that has S-Video input female plug and a Scart output male plug, and be sure that the TV suport this signal. I have a old Phillips TV that has two SCART ports and one of this supports the three types of signals and the other one only Composite Video.
The 1Chip-02 looks so much better than the other ones.
Very informative been trying to get better quality out of my snes for awhile and this has set me on the right track.
just got my framemeister today (new Zealand customs is a bitch). so worth it
Tulle skralde
Can you do an update video with all the new products available now?
"While 2-D game design was arguably perfected." and then the Sega Saturn happened.
Whahahaa!!!
Well you're not wrong
Thank you for this video, i whas waiting for it :)
Recently i got a PAL SNES (i live in Europe) and it suprised me how clean the image whas from it on my HD TV. Normaly i can be a pain in the ass on image of old consoles, but this whas better then i imagend. Signal in goes trough the red, white and yellow plugs.
Great informative video, always a watch for every retro video gamer.
Amazing episode and you deserve a medal for working so hard on this episode. I actually wanted the Mini mostly because of the design, kind of like how I prefer the top loader NES over the front one. I just don't like the design of the US SNES as much as the Famicom or the Mini, and getting a mini, and I also seen modes with the LED light installed so I might go that route. Plus, my system has a NU3 serial number but for some reason it works with the CSYNC cable I got for it so it might be a 1CHIP-2 or something. I wish I had a way to open up my console.
Thanks for explaining the SNES guys, I would be more lost without it!
+BladeBlurX [Try4ce] You know, some cables that I bought as CSYNC worked in the 1CHIP-03 I borrowed... made me nervous, because I was like, oh no, was that just misinformation out there, and now I gotta change the script AGAIN? I opened the system to confirm it was 03, and it was... but then I tried the same cable on my N64 and it worked (it shouldn't have). I got out another CSYNC cable, and it worked with neither the N64 or the 03... so, mystery solved. I don't know WHAT that cable is, but it's not CSYNC.
As for the Mini, I have to confess that I've grown rather attached to its design myself. I used to not think that much of it, but after I got my own, I started to think it had some pretty sleek contours. The LED installed in mine is maybe just a tad too bright, though it doesn't bother me anymore... nice touch making it purple to match everything. I sorta miss the eject button, though it does release carts quite easily! While the Japanese/PAL design of the original larger console is pretty nice, I feel like I've never understood the argument that it was waaay better than the US SNES... it's not my all-time favorite console design or anything, but I like it just fine.
+My Life in Gaming The cable I originally got worked on the SNES AND the N64 so I figured it might be the 02.
I guess I just don't like the blockiness feeling of it, and the famicom just looks slicker. It doesn't make it bad or anything, just preference.
+My Life in Gaming Sounds like the cable-maker either fibbed or made a mistake on the claim of it being csync-based. I remember when I got my 1CHIP-03, the csync RGB cable I had showed nothing but a blank screen. That's when I learned about the 03's not having csync hooked up and had to restore it myself with a mod.
Awesome job guys! Very well put together video!!! I knew most of this from weeks of research reading lengthy forum threads. Oh how I wish I would have watched this video first :) the added visuals and comprehensive information about each option makes this the ultimate guide the SNES video outputs.
I used to think that RGB Scart or RGB through component was the best way to play retro consoles until I started getting good at fine tuning old crts and lcds (flatscreens) to look the best and compared RGB (fine tuning) to S-Video (fine tuning) and so far S-Video has won every time. I'm not sure if its because S-Video has less saturated colors (and gives more room to fine tune) but I play all my consoles with S-Video if possible now and RGB scart or component second if S-Video is not available on a console. In my opinion S-Video at its best can look better than RGB. I know supposedly S-Video is taking the picture from RGB but S-Video looks better when both images are fine tuned. The colors look better in S-Video and S-Video has a cleaner image in motion.
S-Video with a good hi quality gold plated cable gives the same sharpness and brightness as hi quality gold plated scart and gold plated component cables but the difference is the color which might look better at a first glance in RGB with the TV's standard or reset options but when fine tuning for RGB Scart or RGB Component and S-Video. S-Video looks better and even the color looks better and in motion S-Video looks better.
Now for the ones who dont have access to S-Video or RGB Scart or RGB Component.
Remember if you are using Composite. A hi quality gold plated composite cable will look a lot better than the original cable and the same with RF.
I have a hi quality gold plated rf cable that looks better than what the original consoles rf cable does image and sound wise.
But to keep it simple Hi Quality Gold Plated cables are the best.
Damn, I'm swimming in so much information. I can already wager a guess my SNES is the early one since it's been yellowed for a long time and I got it for as long as I can remember. Thanks for this, and now I'll be saving this so I can get the best quality for my SNES.
Emulation is the way to go!
A up to date graphics card and a i 5XXX will be acceptable in emulating the system!
Emulation has glitches and graphical errors
Thanks for the info! I've been wondering how to make my SNES look better and your video was definitely the most informative.
-Fanta
Hey Fanta, big fan of you and Whites channel. I also live in Tucson and also do some game hunting every once in awhile, mostly on the south side of town though. Anyways, yeah I have a Framemeister and it is definately the best way to play games on an HDTV. RGB makes all the games feel fresh and new. These videos are the most informative and give the best explanations on how to improve your video quality. Good luck.
You know, as someone with a 1CHIP-03 CSync modded Super Famicom and 2 SNES Minis w/ RGB + CSYNC.. I cannot disagree with this episode at all.
+Fy S [Try4ce] Took a lot to get all the facts straight! I was very impressed with how well the 1CHIPs (and the Mini) hold up to each other side-by-side. For all of the debate surrounding the differences between 1CHIP revisions, at the end of the day, the differences are so negligible compared to the huge jump in picture quality that any 1CHIP or modded Mini has when upgrading from the older systems.
My Life in Gaming The SNES ACTUALLY shipped with BOTH THE RF SWITCH AND COMPOSITE VIDEO AND STEREO SOUND CABLES.
Stumbled upon you guys on TH-cam recently...excellent channel!
5:20 Just say it, the Genesis simply looks better. Say it. Saaaayyyy iiiiiiit!!!
Genesis does.....
i would love to see a 1chip03 comparison against a snes mini. i really want a definitive analysis on it.
Too bad you need expensive upscalers to obtain these
Actually, you don't. Yeah the Framemeister is the ultimate in upscaling capabilities, but you can get cheaper alternatives that have only minor differences in video output quality. For $40 or less, you can buy SCART-to-HDMI upscalers that look good enough compared to the Framemeister. I did that and it looks just fine on an HDTV.
OSSC is cheap tho.
i got us carts to fit in my super famicom by filing away some ot the plastic in the cartridgeslot. works great.
Try4ce
Triforce
just realised
I bought a SNES console off eBay for $35.00 that turned out to be a 1 Chip (02, I think). Works great too. Surprised myself with that one.
Only nerds had the SNES, all the kewl kids had a Genesis.
Who buys consoles? Parents. It was a little kids system, the kewl kids had a Genesis and they'd go around punching SNES nerds in the mouth.
Let me guess, you're 11 years old, right?
Bobofett 72 well if you were alive back then and a teen you’d know Sega completely owned the “cool” factor of the day, and nerds that went around talking about their SNES were taunted and mocked. It’s just the way it was. The SNES was lame, it’s what little kids got so they could play Mario, and it’s what parents bought kids who were overly mothered. The SNES nerd peak was the censored Mortal Kombat game - after that Nintendo finally caught onto the fact only mommas boys and nerds and little kids bought the thing - so they finally changed it up, said no more censoring of games, got new advertising and then they started to explode in sales. But even that had more to do with Sebastian botching their lead with the Sega CD and 32X.
Donkey Kong Country wasn't cool - and it's an awful game - probably the most overrated game ever created in terms of the hype it gets. It had really good graphics at the time, but the game itself was garbage, and also it's aged terrible, it's now quite an ugly game. Anywho by the time DKC came Sega was already on to the 32X after Sega of Japan had completely given up the Genesis. Regardless the SNES was never cool. Also those Sega kids that were teens when the Genesis came out, by the mid 90s they were moving out of their home, because back in the 90s that's what you did, only nerds that played the SNES lived with their parents after turning 18. So when you're 18-19-20 and going to college and/or have a job and you don't live at home, you're not worried about playing videos games, you're worried about getting poontang. Plus Sega priced themselves out of the entry level market because they flooded the market with so many devices, the Genesis, the Sega CD, the 32X, the Nomad, the GameGear, the PICO, the CDX and finally the Saturn. Meanwhile the SNES was what the kid on welfare could afford since that's all they had to get.
Only peasants argued over snes vs sega...the coolest kids had both along with backup devices and played pirated games from floppy disk lol
Wooooow, I started taking your class two days ago been burning threw videos like crazy, im a huge game collector and gamer.
a real old man wither of video games starting with arcades and the commodore 64,. iv worked my magic and collected numerous stuff sens 1988. I was hoping to start a channel about game history, and streaming a few times a month was looking into the Retrotink 2x when i stumbled into your channel.
You are selling me on the Framister everything looks amazing in RGB. unfortunately its way out of my budget and im still set on the retrotink for now,. but ooooh boy the more i watch these vids the more i wanna dive into RGB output. AMAZING.
I sent my SNES mini to Wes from Retro Fixes last week for an RGB mod. Now that I know about the THS7314, I'm more excited than ever to try out my modded console once I get it back. As always, thanks for such an excellent video, Try4ce and Coury.
+spiritcore [Try4ce] Wes reviewed our script for technical accuracy, and while I knew nothing of the RGB mod parts previously, I was surprised to learn that it was why the vertical line is basically completely gone!
Are you guys aware of the internal mod that can source component ypbpr video? I have also seen pictures of a guy who modified a small component to hdmi converter to fit inside the SNES, when I get some coin I miss get one and break out the soldering iron! Lol
Just reflowed all joints on a free oem SNES ac adapter and its alive again! s-video looks good!
I love the comparisons that you guys do, they're are the best. And I also love how how you also explore options for people that don't want to spend too much time and money.
I know that you guys are focusing on 2D retro consoles, but I was wondering if videos about getting the best quality on the Gamecube could eventually come somewhere in the future.
+arturboy [Try4ce] Thanks! We never want anyone to feel bad about using a simpler (cheaper!) solution. If you're happy with it, that's all that matters. That's why we present as many options and considerations as we can... what's right for our setups may not be right for yours.
We will definitely get to consoles like Gamecube, PS2, etc. in the future. It's my understanding that there's about to be some breakthroughs in the Gamecube world, so that's pretty exciting!
Purchased an SNES off of the Goodwill Auction web site for &29 + S&H, the earlier model starting with UN14. I also purchased Super Mario Bros. All Stars, a universal adapter for NES, SNES, and Genesis model 1; as well as the AV cable at my local Disc Replay shop. Can't wait to play SMBAS with my Sony PVM-9L1.
Welp, you guys got me convinced. My 1 chip and retrovision components are coming in the mail. I am stoked!
Great video. Not a big fan of the XRGB mini myself though, I'm using a Sony PVM instead, mostly because of the low input lag and beautiful looking scanlines.
Great video and everything is well researched. Thanks for the hard work!
On some PAL SNESs and Super Famicoms the video chip directly outputs RGB, so you can hook that up directly to jacks without resistors...
I've had the snes mini my whole life and used Rf up until a year ago.. it had a little switch box that went into the multi out and came with the system
I wonder if it is possible to make something like the VI De-Blur Device that the N64 has but for older SNES/Super Famicom Consoles. Sure you can't get into the SNES' Digital Video Signals at all, but perhaps it could be sort of like how Tim Worthingtion's Newer RGB Boards have a De-Blur Function. Perhaps it could look even better than 1Chip Consoles!
The vertical centerline disappears completely if you solder on a 470uf capacitor with above 6.5V rating on the center and output line (negative on center, and positive on output) of the power regulator inside the SNES. This also works on the Super Famicom.
Love these videos. I installed the RetroRGB chip in my Super Famicom Jr and it looks amazing.
Great video as always. I've been generally disappointed with the RGB signal from my original Super Famicom. Up until this video I'd been considering tracking down a SNES instead. Now you've got me convinced I just need to mod my mini!
I'm in love with your show, guys! Keep up the amazing work! You've earned a Subscriber that's here to stay
I have a 32' LCD screen with s-video built in that's been going strong for the last 10 years that I run my NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube and PS1 through. It also supports component and HDMI. The only thing that does stay connected all the time is my Genesis Model 1 since it doesn't support any of those outputs but I'm looking into modding it for s-video.
Still going to say this, My Life In Gaming IS the best channel on youtube! convinced me to get my n64 ultra hdmi modded
also please do a video on australian consoles vs american consoles
this is a great channel. kinda makes me want to buy a snes now and relive my past lol
I do kinda wish they touched on the jittery signal that the SNES Jr has though. Idk if any of the original SNES consoles suffer from the same issue. But when I got a SNES Jr modded for RGB, it looked great!.... On a monitor that is. Yeah for some reason my 4K Vizio would not display the video from the system (via the OSSC). I had to send my SNES Jr to a different modder, who installed a Dejitter board, and when I got it back it worked flawlessly on my TV. From what I understand the NES RGB also suffers from the same potential issue. I bought an NES premodded with the Dejitter, so I don't know if my TV would have had the same issues without the dejitter for that console, or not.
AMAZING!! quick question. at 12:50 you advise against using European scart cables for north american SNES. Ok. But does this ALSO apply to the Scart adapter that is plugged into the Framemeister?
On retro console accessories ebay store, it seems like the adapter is intended for "European" scart cables. I cant tell if they are distinguishing only between JP21 cables vs. Euro--or if they are also intending to say that north american cables wouldnt work either.
Keep up the good work!
4:00 my moms 2010 tv still supports S-Video along with a bunch of other stuff.
Can you tell the difference between S-video and Component on a CRT? I know the differences stand out on modern displays when using a proper scaler.
[Try4ce] It's very very hard to tell the difference on a consumer CRT. Difference is more noticeable on a PVM, and definitely on a nice scaler.
I got used to Super Metroid over S-Video and then switched to component. I could definitely tell a difference, but I’m just it’s very dependent on the actual TV you use
You guys have the same Toshiba TV as me that I see in the background of your reviews. Its pretty nice, but your videos convined me to hunt down a Sonyy PVM (I got a PVML2) and the RGB cable for my SNES. Games look freaking AMAZING in this configuration.
I think I'd agree with your summary that composite->svideo is a much bigger jump than s-video to RGB, and if you hypothetically hacked a straight RGB signal into that Toshiba set you might not even be able to tell the difference, I do consistently notice one major benefit to RGB. Any time red is layered on top of another color, it smears horizontally with s-video, so you lose some color definition. One of the best comparisons i noticed was the heart life meter in Link to The Past... red hearts with a white outline on an often-green background. Thats color-smear city.
I don't know if you address it in any of your videos, but I'd say, for example, component video is just as good as RGB though there may be system specific exceptions. Since, in either case, you're skipping the awful NTSC amplitude/phase modulated color signal, you're getting nearly full color bandwidth even if a specific system has to go RGB->Component and then your TV does Component->RGB.
Just sharing my thoughts, but all in all, thanks for enlightening me on RGB gaming on pro monitors - the differences between s-video and RGB may be subtle, but the difference between a basic TV w/ svideo vs a sony RGB monitor are NOT subtle.
You guys show so many cool games. Could you in the future put the titles along with them so we can find them a play them later?