How to Install Cylinder Liners and Measure Liner Protrusion.
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- This is part 2 of the series for cutting counter bores, installing liners and measuring liner protrusion. Adeptape@yahoo.com for questions and on PayPal for donations. Thanks for watching.
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Good work man. I think you'd be a blessing in any motorpool. CATs lucky to have you.
Tire soap never thought of that for o-rings thank you
Wow! That exhaust repair must've been done by a top notch shade tree mechanic.
Nothing but the best, I think the guy that sent the pictures said the truck owner did the "repairs."
Your a master mechanic and that is something that you can be proud of josh
Impressive I used make precision cutter blades and mill bits. We always said never say what it measures till you mic it or measure it and it’s always clean it to make sure nothing can throw off the measurements. Didn’t know engines were so precise my mechanic just put it together and never mentioned any of this stuff.
Yeah, they're like watches with major consequences if you mess something up. Lol
I don't even need this info.. i don't even own this engine, i have a 7.3 idi.
However i LOVE your content and your willingness to help strangers. You're a great human and i am deeply grateful for your willingnes to help and the quality of content. I have learned soo much from youf videos....im now almost a diesel mechanic....lol almost...at the least my 7.3 is purring. Cheers!
For what its worth, you just so happen to have a great voice for teaching...for what ever that is worth😂😂😂 beuller, beuller....kidding.
Thank you for the very kind words and thanks for watching. I wouldn't make the videos if people didn't watch them.
Rebuilding a N14 right now and we had to use a old Race for a hub to pull and install the liners. Love the channel learned alot from you josh!! Thanks brotha!!
How does that work lol
@@shivermetimbers8344 the puller was too small and we had a race that fit on the sleeve perfectly so we put that inbetween
Thanks for sharing young man. I am learning alot from you
You had me at "there is a coat-hanger in there."🤦
🤣😂🤣
Thanks for the info.
Another great video!!!
Another awesome video Josh!
Thank you sir.
well done mr.josh really smart man 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
i love these videos
Awesome work
Great video!!
Just in time! Probably going to do this to MX13.
Great video very informative thank you
Great video, thanks for sharing,
Nice work. 👍🐕
Very impressive teacher
great video!!!!
I work on Waukesha and use to always use lubaplate but was recently told to use Parker lube or vegetable oil. Guess I been doing it wrong lol learn something new every day in the field of work. Love your videos man keep them going .
Thanks for watching and glad you like the videos.
Do you work on very many Oliver tractors with Waukesha?
@@eddygoodwin7089 no sir I work on generator and gas compressor packages. Weak 5790 9390 145 1905 3521 1197 etc. natural gas engines and some diesel configurations. What engine are in those ?
@@bofa1330 I have an Oliver 880 that has a diesel Waukesha. It’s been a while since I’ve messed with it, can’t remember what displacement it is.
@@eddygoodwin7089 yea haven’t messed with that one
that ending dotw was a big ol wowsers
Good tools very important
Not that I ever intend to rebuild a CAT engine, I've got a Cummins, but this was interesting.
Good job big boss
Have you tried the 2P-8260 Cylinder Liner Installer Group, I like it because I can feel the pressure on the seals as I am pushing them in, have felt seals that are not going in correctly because of the feel! I use to do the field inserting jobs along with the shop one, like your showing the right way to check protrusion!
With the minimal surface area of the shim, would it be more prone to drive the shim into the deck, thus losing cylinder liner seal?
Hey Josh I just wanted to say I really enjoy all your videos, I am looking at going through the CAT think big program to become a CAT diesel mechanic. I’d be interested to know what all tools you use if you ever make a video like that!
Hey Jacob, how's the Think Big program going so far?
Shipped standing up in the pal box. And had more than one dealer check the box. To see there not laying down.
I was wowed a cylender pac would egg shape!! Even securing to other things so no falling in transit.
Hi I have a question. I have a 2019 frightliner cascadia the idle was set on this truck as I pull the yellow break to 600 it does not Rev up higher if I want to idle at a higher rpms due to being a previous fleet truck. So I have the truck set at 900 rpm when I pull the yellow break. So when I start in the morning it starts at a 900 rpm you think that's fine or should I push the yellow break in 1st in the morning for couple of minutes and then set at a higher rpm .Is the motor gonna be fine if the engine always starts at 900 rpm? Thank you!
how do we go about getting the brass and fiberglass washers?
Great videos. The last bit reminded me of something that bugs me about Cat engines.
Is it just me or do they put small studs in the heads for the exhaust manifold? In the last year I’ve had to have three machines down for a day or two to replace the exhaust manifold studs. All had two three broken studs and where leaking. Two C7.1 acert and an old 3306. Love the engines and their products but let’s up the size of studs one or two so we don’t have to deal with this crap.
Any thoughts on why so small?
Hi Josh .. awesome videos...i am rebuilding a 3406e and wondering if i need to measure liner protrusions on a block that i just got back from being remaned...
Nice video. Easy to understand. You should think about teaching someday.
.....he already does. 😊
@@stevendaniels8652 I get that but more formally in tech ed.
@@badgerpa9 he can reach many more people this way and it costs us nothing. If you take what you learn here and get yourself a diesel to work on, with a manual for it, you will learn.
@@stevendaniels8652 I had enough diesels to work on years ago, prefer to be at least part retired. But thanks hope high school is going well for you.
@@badgerpa9 high school? That's a wild assumption. Or was that an attempt at condescension?
Always great videos and thank you. 60107 USA says hello.
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Can i ask you where you got your tool for holding the DTI ..It looks way simpler than using the PACCAR tool
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Cat liner shims for C15 are almost impossible to get these days . Be ready to wait for awhile if you planning on A rebuild.
Thanks for your videos, I have a crazy question, is it possible to upgrade a 3406e to a c15 to meet tier 4?
Did you ever have to install inserts in a D343 non-spacer plated? That I would love to see you show that one!
I'm not sure what I think of Cat using a spacer plate arrangement. What is the benefit and are there any issues sealing the block side of the plate. I like the idea of being able to fit a new one. Sorry for being thick, it's just that no engine I've ever worked on other than Cat has this plate. Living in the UK in the early 90's I supported a decision to buy some trucks with the 3306 engine in. They were such a disaster, I nearly got fired for buying them, not to mention all the black exhaust smoke that no other non-Cat engine had. We live and learn as they say. Good video, thank you.
What could be the reasons behind the cracking on the upper flange of the cylinder liner , for the CAT. 3606 ?
I’ve always used engine oil on the liner orings
Where did you get the track bolts from? Are they purchasable?
Awesome stuff! What would it cost to rebuild a 2006 c13
Hi,I’m Victor from Ghana and I will like to your friend and learn from you
Morning sir, I’ve been watching your videos. Was wondering where your shop is located. Have a rebuilt Acert that’s got a single conversion on it with 18:1 piston.. that’s how I bought it.. rebuild has right at 5k on it.. getting oil seeping out exhaust manifold at a idle.. no oil on cold side of turbo. Could this be a cylinder sleeve? Injector?
Where do I locate the bolts washers for the protrusion check?
Will that cylinder sleeve installer work on a International?DT466 or 8.3 L Cummins.
If I was seeing you measure it right the fire ring surface of the sleeve is .005 higher than the spacer plate ??
Going to start off by saying I love your Videos! Thank you for all your time and effort you put into your channel. I have a question? Why does cat recommend counter boring and shimming all the liners? Why couldn’t you just do cylinder #4 and call it a day? Hope to hear your response. Thanks.
You could definitely do that, we used to do them as needed, but then Cat said you need to do them all.
Ok thanks!
What are some things that make being a diesel mechanic hard?
Great vid watch em all. #algoboost
I know exactly what you need! If you have access to Cummins parts (I’m sure you do) here are some red plastic contamination covers sort of like big CAT blue plugs that fit in the Liner bore perfectly to catch all the filings! I know from using them myself! Cummins part number 4919433. I then suck out the filings with a shop vac. Worth their weight in gold imo
Hope you see this ADEPT APE
Type 30 diaphragm pushed just below deck works good too. Do recommend the ear plugs in the gallery ports for sure. Just don't forget them!
Do you have to do this on a c13?
Have you tried Dawn dish detergent for an O-ring lubricant ? I use it with cooling system O-rings works awesome and it helps clean the cooling system as a side benefit
I usually use rubber lubricant which is used for mounting tires and installing cylinder liners. I wouldn't want dawn added to the coolant as it can cause bubbles which can lead to cavitation inside the cooling system.
Does a 3306 use the same bolts and washers? 3306 is a 5/8" bolt. I think 3304 may be larger. The 3306 manual lists that it uses a copper washer instead of the fiber ones. I think the fiber ones are a newer procedure instead of the coper washer and cross bar setup for the liner. Confusing why the cat manual would say it takes 12 bolts and tweve washers. I count it would take 14 of each. Also it says put the bolts on using 2 washers. That would take 28 in my accounting but again cat manual says 12. Extermely confusing!
where do you work? and how would one go about getting started working on bigger rigs and doing in frames like you. im 24 and currently working in an independent shop, but theyve just got me doing brakes and suspension, with the occasional VC or oil pan gasket. would like to do more engine related work.
I make 3 passes with the sled gauge and see if the same reading comes up each time, can be off some times.
Do you separate the liner packs when you use them? Just did a MXS last week with a gold kit, sure is hard getting part lately.
I do separate them as you can see the pistons are out, I do label them though so the pistons stay with the liner they came out of. I don't think it matters, but just for tracking purposes. I've installed them before without doing the measurements and it saves probably 2 hours of labor, although the complete cylinder packs are heavy and awkward to install. If the protrusion is off though you are pulling the whole thing out then.
@@AdeptApe Thanks for the reply, yeah I find the packs heavy and awkward to work with.
I didn’t think for some reason the connecting rod would fit through the liner ?
Always pull the piston out and check you got all your ring, reman are not the best
The spacer on the exhaust pipe clamp is there, it's just not in the correct position.
What is the part number for the track bolts and washers?
Hey josh have a 3304 PC was wondering what PC stood for ? Any idea where I can get a repair manual for this specific engine it’s on a irrigating lift pump
PC stands for precombustion chamber. Old Cat engines (when fuel was dirt cheap) used this design. The precombustion chamber that screwed into the cylinder head, had the nozzle and glow plug in it. The nozzle would inject fuel into the precombustion chamber and ignite down onto the piston. The piston had a plug dead center to help absorb the heat and keeping from burning a hole in the piston. The other lingo is DI or direct injection. The nozzle chamber was designed so the tip of the nozzle extends pass the bottom of the cylinder head. So you cannot mix pistons up, because of the ignition process. If you do black smoke, early hour failure. In the truck world you cannot pull a DI engine out and replace it with a PC. I cannot say off road. The reason is the cylinder head on a PC engine carries a lot more heat from ignition process and a PC engine runs a bigger cooling system package. So you could have PCT, Precombustion Chamber Turbocharged, PCTA Precombustion Chamber Turbocharged Aftercooler, or DIT, DITA, NA naturally aspirated, JWAC Jacket Water Aftercooled,
ATAAC Air To Air Aftercooled.
As with a service manual you must start with the engine prefix. Cat uses a three digit prefix. Examples of truck engines include but not limited to 92U, 7FB, 65B, 02Z, 5EK, SDP, 63Z, 9TL. That tells Cat what you have.
Once you have the serial number, you have to see if a media number still is available. The media number also has a code that includes what language it is printed in.
Wow so much info still tryna soak it in thanks you ver much this is the only tag on that engine looks old say 3304 pc than SN- 4b16743 Than arrangement number -7n3301
Do the CAT dealerships pay about the same for the same positions in different states
Around where I'm at it's dependent upon cost of living where the dealership is located. We have several stores throughout the state and each place has different costs of living and each shop is generally in a different Union, so how well they bargain also plays into pay.
Ah yes the infamous red silicone, any time i see red goop on an engine i know the rest of the repair is going to be interesting.
That's more like a "WTF of the Week" lol
Any idea c13 rebuilt cost ty
I thought the counterbores were cut square but now I hear the liner shims must be properly oriented because one side is beveled to the counterbore, whaaaat?
Just to understand everything measuring the old liner, spacer , shim you found -0.05 under zero deck protrusion.. so you cut counter bore. 0.29 and used a 0.30 shim leaving the block with a plus 0.01 above deck ring to support liner a positive 0.01
Where do you make up the difference ? From the new shim under spacer, new liner , spacer? Going from -0.05 in the hole to +0.05 protrusion that's a. + 0. 10 swing of stacked tolerances but machine work only resulted in a +0.01 gain! can i count on a
+ 0.35 gain from new inframe parts when measuring liner protrusion.. any one of the other cat guys responding
With no shims on a new deck you will usually see about .003-.004" protrusion. The engine is designed to have that much protrusion with the assembled parts, so you are really just trying to get it within spec.
Thanks for responding i have a concern there are two visible lines in block around the liner bore i cant feel them but i can see them is this a mandatory cut counter bore indicator even if the protrusion is 0.025 to 0.035.
Ive also seen spacer plates 0.03 thinner if that plate makes 0.065 protrusion will that cause water and return oil leaks or crack liners.
depth mikes, dial indicators, vernier calipers, to just name a few can be used as depth readings below a deck to zero out...terrible written comment (:
Red oring in the middle? Is that universal or just cats?
It's orange, not sure if it looked more red on your screen or if that's just the video.
@@AdeptApe engines I work on have 2 black and a coloured one. Coloured always went on top, iv been told! Is this wrong?
Thanks for the reply BTW 👍 big fan
So what if one of the liners is say 7 thousands then what?
Find the problem and correct it.
Liner is .350 flange
plate is .338 thick
gasket .008 roughly
Plate and gasket roughly .346 total
minus from liner is roughly .004 projection.
Cat wants a milled top deck min of .001 to .006
Counterbored block min .003 to .006.
The crush on the gasket is maxed out and really not doing any good. Also at some point you will crack liner flanges.
Hard to make flat rate doing the right thing. Seen too many mechanics skip these measurements. They assume the cuts were good enough.
WILL CAT EVER MAKE A CLEAR FLAME MOTOR
Did anyone see the magic #33 on the bus in the background.
I thought the piston s were preloaded in liners
They are, but Cat has had so many failures due to improper assembly. They require certain guidelines on a rebuild or it won't be under warranty. One article is SEBF9008 that is very important.
1:50 ah, yes I also found that 70 ft-lb is excessive and went to 40
I love DOTW, but it cannot compare to Russian tanks blown up in Ukraine. Look closely, you may see entire rotating assemblies ejected from crank cases, among other destructive delights.
Some reason a coat hanger... HA
Another channel calls thousands Banannas. Lol no mm for me to old
1:50 ah, yes I also found that 70 ft-lb is excessive and went to 40
I'm not sure why they want those bolts so tight anyway, it's just holding the liner down to check it.
To compress the spacer plate gasket properly....