As a convert, I have a ton of respect for Missionaries. Just the sacrifices they make to prepare for a mission is impressive to me. Then to have gone is all the more a service, however long they are in the field. To me, simply seeing a Missionary around, gives me hope. I guess it is a signal that Gods work is in motion. Every tiny thing that Missionaries do, for however long, moves the work forward. I thank God for you guys. So don't feel bad.
I served a two-year mission. It was tough, not the subject nor the fun of teaching the restored gospel, but the hate, the taunting, ridicule etc that disappointed me, not my mission, but about all those brothers and sisters who were so full of hate. I do not once regret serving, and I came home so much more mature, and wiser concerning the world and my testimony of the Church was stronger than ever. I cannot even imagine my life without this restored gospel and having an actual prophet of God to speak and to teach. It's wonderful!!!!!
Please, they teach that all things can be overcome by prayer and faith. So when a missionary comes home early or a man doesn't go on a mission then the members are all thinking: "I guess he wasn't faithful enough." And like how he adds, "be proud of your service... or appropriately proud.
Most things can be so overcome. But when did it ever matter what "the members are all thinking"? Social anxiety is false doctrine rising out of the unstable mind.
you don’t need the approval of anyone other than your self for choosing not to serve a mission. your opinion is more important than anyone else’s in the decisions that you make.
Making peace with one's path is not the worst thing to do. But actually, the opinion of the aggregated reality of our life's choices, understood nearer the end of it than the beginning or middle, trumps our narcissistic, momentary self-evaluation. Looking back, we eventually realize how underqualified we ever were to choose anything.
It makes me so sad to see all these comments slamming Elder Holland for being a "hypocrite" or saying that the church "doesnt understand charity". I would like you to practice genuine and pure repentance, then go through the temple and receive those ordinances with a full heart, read the book of Mormon and pray to know of its truth, be baptized by someone with proper authority, and take the sacrament honestly and humby every week you can, and then you can talk about the church with all the opinions you feel necessary. Not everyone can trust in something without proof. That's okay. Not everyone is capable of accepting something even if they don't fully understand. That's okay too, but please, don't come in here slamming on the church and the gospel that has given me, and countless others so much joy and hope, until you have done your absolute best to recieve a testimony for yourself.
Well said. I see so many videos and comments on our apostles of the Lord lately. I have been inactive long time now, but I cannot deny the spirit that teaches all God's children and to see many that have fallen away from where truth really comes from and then try to draw others away like Korahor did of old pains me to see my heart goes out to them that through the spirit their savior touched their lives but were too puffed up in pride the ultimate sin following the world and mocking now those who've partakes of his fruit and know it is Good especially our dear called of God. What pains me more are those that have been born witnesses and now fight against the church and Lamb of God. As he has stated countless times. It'd had been better than that Ye had not known me 😢
He literally said in the early 2000s that any body who goes home for a non-medical reason is part of the most anguished and pitiable group of people on planet earth. Looks like he changed his tune.
@@tomoates8568 They haven't learned about charity in the last 2000 years. Jesus cast the money lenders out of the temple, the LDS Church Corporation invests in City Creek mall / Ensign Peak.
@@charlesmendeley9823 So you think the "temple" and the "mall" are the same things? Commercialists should be cast out of their own places of business? And the fact that they're not is a disproof of charity? Thanks for the gobbledygook.
I understand that Elder Holland is trying to express the value of a lost sheep. However, when it comes to dating and marriage. I would not want a young man who returned early to tell my daughter he was a return missionary, if he had left early for any reason. If one cannot endure the trials of a two year mission, how could one expect to endure the trials of a marriage, that would hopefully last a lifetime or hopefully an eternity. My advice to young men in this situation would be to prepare for a had life. The trials you face that resulted in you leaving early will be the same trials that will plague you for the rest of your life. Be accountable, search your soul figure out what defeated you and prepare to face that trial again. Men become valuable only by facing dragons and defeating them. For those on a mission facing the temptation to leave early, my advice is simple; finishing your mission, it is a “cheat code” for life. If you defeat the trials faced on a mission (that god who knows you, and has intentionally given you) they will not be an issue for you the rest of your life. Everything you do after your mission will be easier than it would have been and success in every endeavor will be more likely. Go and defeat dragons!
Oh yeah Mr. "Don't you dare leave your mission or your whole life will be without fulfillment, I would rip the TV cables out of the wall to keep you here" what a hypocrite.
I nearly died twice during the 6 months of serving a mission. The reason I nearly died 2 times was because of the very kinds of things that Holland have taught that going home early would make me "one of the most pitiable people on the earth." It wasn't until I was in the ICU that anyone would even countenance the idea that maybe I should be released, and even then it was debated.
No, it simply means that at that time in your life, you weren't ready to fill your Priesthood duty. People evolve, and with faith, you can still contribute much good to the world. We all go through phases of willingness to serve or stay close to the Lord.
43 years ago my mission president said 20% of the missionaries did 80% of the work, as I see what is being set out from my home area and what is coming in I would venture that currently 5% do 95% of the work a the rest get $500.00 a month to baby sit each other. God help the church but more important God help America.
Missionaries are leaving in record numbers. The product is severely defective and deceptive. 80% of new converts will be inactive within a year, so the effort is basically fruitless. Jeffery this failure falls squarely on your shoulders. Dis-honesty has no redeeming factors. Also, a church with 150,000,000,000 in investment assets should be wholly funding each and every missionary.
A dumb comment. Everything happens in record numbers when you're at a record size. Being poor, I guess I'm a little jealous of their wealth too, but how about you go succeed in your own investments before trying to dictate how the wealthy should invest?
@@bravoalphahk only a sucker pays a half Trillion dollar corporation to sell their defective product. They are corrupt whores. Plain and simple. Also, define record size? You comprise .02% of the world population. Bigfoot is more popular.
The fact that the church is acknowledging this even happens is an indication of what a significant problem this is. The church is sending out its best and brightest at a tender young age and they are being subjected to the blowtorch of society's steadily growing hate and scorn towards the MORMON church. Many missionaries are returning in a state of shock and pain and disillusionment. They are not adequately equipped to answer the difficult questions about church history, etc. that even the general authorities can't and won't answer.
@@AxelQC So you're saying the rest of the world doesn't abuse its youth with both guilt, and worse weapons like, I don't know, actual fists, substance addictions, incarcerations, broken families, and political fanaticism? What a beautiful fairy tale you inhabit that you will inevitably wake up from with a shock.
@@bravoalphahk "everyone is bad so the harm we are doing is OK" isn't the answer you think it is. Surely The Lord's One True Church™ should be setting a higher standard and living a higher law?
Just tell people you served a mission and leave it at that and be approprietly proud? In other words don't let anyone know you came home early, and don't celebrate because you came home early.
The Mormon Church abuses its missionaries physically and mentally. They use guilt to motivate, which is toxic for mental health. This video is a clear example.
@@bravoalphahk The church is not true, because the Scriptues mentioned in 1 Nephi 5:11 were not written in 600 BC, especially the story of Adam and Eve mentioned was missing, as it came from the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh and was brought back by the Israelites after the Babylonian Captivity.
They won’t tell the truth about the history of the church and the inaccurate information the missionaries pass on to new learners of the church. If the missionaries teach about the church teach it all.
Jefferey R. Holland is one the most sincere and true of all human beings, very understanding, loyal a friend and disciple of Jesus Christ! Coming from someone who is a sinner non active but believes this Man!!
I have a better idea, DON'T serve a mission at all! I didn't serve a mission and I could care less if those snobby Utah/Idaho Latter Day Saints have a problem with it! The previous church presidency under Thomas S Monson did NOT serve a mission! Besides you DON'T need a mission to hold any calling in the church, nor to be sealed in the temple, nor to have a temple recommend. In short, DON'T serve a mission, finish college, find a good job and save your money, Mr. Holland!
@@morgandastrup6576 same here. Definitely set me up for success and blessings. Now I have a beautiful fam, a wife and a little baby, but I still think about my mission at least once a day. No regrets at all 🤙🏼
“Is this the man who’s religion made the earth to tremble and shook kingdoms?” This man looks like he’s struggling with something that he knows is not true and also looks very scared to come out of it.
As someone who served a mission and looks back at it fondly… …don’t go. No matter what anyone tells you, you’re only going to be a recruiter for the church, a church that’s based on lies and falsehoods no less. Or, at the very least, Read the CES letter, the gospel topics essays, watch Mormon stories so you can make an informed decision. There’s nothing of value from a mission that you can’t find elsewhere.
How do you fight lies with more lies of your own? Doesn't it bother you? There is absolutely a unique set of valuable experiences belonging to missionary work, as with other similarly specific undertakings. I suggest you quit strengthening Church members' stereotypes of apostates as inveterate liars and start putting some thought into your pathetic critiques.
@@iambuhlockay8007 By "pathetic" I meant "pity-inducing", though I was still being sarcastic as I have no pity for you at present. The dishonesty I allege, I already explained; it's waiting there for your exploration. I said, "There is absolutely a unique set of valuable experiences belonging to missionary work", and I qualified the claim a little. Can you seriously pretend otherwise, that a relatively lengthy rite-of-passage monastic experience of representing a theological organization and its divine personality actually constitute "nothing of value that you can't find elsewhere"? It's very, very hard to duplicate that kind of experience. Certainly literal monasticism would fit the bill, but that's hardly a typical opportunity. Long-term missions in other churches can be equivalent. Maybe military service could compare. Perhaps marriage and parenthood can compare, since parents become God's mouthpieces to their children. Maybe working abroad for the State Department can be a similar pilgrimage. Maybe joining a commune somewhere. So, yes, I can imagine that analogically similar experiences exist, but they are all kind of singular undertakings. I submit that it's blatant, flippant nonsense to deny the uniqueness of LDS Christian missionary service, which you seem to do by suggesting it is easily replicated. That was the whole extent of my objection. I'm a little less interested in what are probably your fanatical complaints about the Church. I have enough of my own. But feel free to vent, I guess, if you think you have any superior insights.
@@bravoalphahk Well, I guess I know how you feel about me. I don’t particularly care, so I’m not sure what to do with that information. Seems to be inflammatory for the sake of it. You don’t seem to understand a key word in my original claim: value. You can’t find anything of VALUE that you can’t find elsewhere. LDS missions are certainly unique, but I wouldn’t call what makes them unique “valuable”.
@@iambuhlockay8007 Clearly you're making up your own uncommon criteria for what is "valuable". Then specify it. What is valuable to you, and what experiences conveying what skill sets surpass this in value? Most people would think, say, going to the Peace Corps for a couple years was valuable; they may list a set of skills or insights gained which (beyond being not easily replicable) would seem to be positive and useful abilities in life. Yet you're now saying, "No, with mission service, the theological stretching, the cultural immersion, the language, the domestic training and social broadening, the introduction to social work or marketting or psychotherapy or education, or other things commonly found in missions, is of 'no value'". Without some applicable explanation, it just seems like nihilistic flatulance to attempt to relieve the unresolved emotional pressure in your life.
As a convert, I have a ton of respect for Missionaries. Just the sacrifices they make to prepare for a mission is impressive to me. Then to have gone is all the more a service, however long they are in the field. To me, simply seeing a Missionary around, gives me hope. I guess it is a signal that Gods work is in motion. Every tiny thing that Missionaries do, for however long, moves the work forward. I thank God for you guys. So don't feel bad.
I served a two-year mission. It was tough, not the subject nor the fun of teaching the restored gospel, but the hate, the taunting, ridicule etc that disappointed me, not my mission, but about all those brothers and sisters who were so full of hate. I do not once regret serving, and I came home so much more mature, and wiser concerning the world and my testimony of the Church was stronger than ever. I cannot even imagine my life without this restored gospel and having an actual prophet of God to speak and to teach. It's wonderful!!!!!
Don’t use scary tactics to pressure youth to serve missions. They have free agency! God bless the youth!
Please, they teach that all things can be overcome by prayer and faith. So when a missionary comes home early or a man doesn't go on a mission then the members are all thinking: "I guess he wasn't faithful enough."
And like how he adds, "be proud of your service... or appropriately proud.
Most things can be so overcome. But when did it ever matter what "the members are all thinking"? Social anxiety is false doctrine rising out of the unstable mind.
you don’t need the approval of anyone other than your self for choosing not to serve a mission. your opinion is more important than anyone else’s in the decisions that you make.
Making peace with one's path is not the worst thing to do. But actually, the opinion of the aggregated reality of our life's choices, understood nearer the end of it than the beginning or middle, trumps our narcissistic, momentary self-evaluation. Looking back, we eventually realize how underqualified we ever were to choose anything.
It makes me so sad to see all these comments slamming Elder Holland for being a "hypocrite" or saying that the church "doesnt understand charity". I would like you to practice genuine and pure repentance, then go through the temple and receive those ordinances with a full heart, read the book of Mormon and pray to know of its truth, be baptized by someone with proper authority, and take the sacrament honestly and humby every week you can, and then you can talk about the church with all the opinions you feel necessary. Not everyone can trust in something without proof. That's okay. Not everyone is capable of accepting something even if they don't fully understand. That's okay too, but please, don't come in here slamming on the church and the gospel that has given me, and countless others so much joy and hope, until you have done your absolute best to recieve a testimony for yourself.
Amen
Yes!
Well said. I see so many videos and comments on our apostles of the Lord lately. I have been inactive long time now, but I cannot deny the spirit that teaches all God's children and to see many that have fallen away from where truth really comes from and then try to draw others away like Korahor did of old pains me to see my heart goes out to them that through the spirit their savior touched their lives but were too puffed up in pride the ultimate sin following the world and mocking now those who've partakes of his fruit and know it is Good especially our dear called of God. What pains me more are those that have been born witnesses and now fight against the church and Lamb of God. As he has stated countless times. It'd had been better than that Ye had not known me 😢
Well said, thank you!
For me it was the breaking point. I came home but not the same. I resigned in 2007 and I don't miss it!
Congratulations for graduating! 🎓
Yep, growing up changes everybody, not just you. I hesitate to ask what kind of garbage you now idolatrously worship in its place.
Wonderful, very helpful counsel from an Apostle of the Lord. Our leaders in the Church are gifts from God to us!
He literally said in the early 2000s that any body who goes home for a non-medical reason is part of the most anguished and pitiable group of people on planet earth. Looks like he changed his tune.
They're extremely slow at learning, but they eventually catch up. Still waiting on them to treat lgbt people with kindness and respect. One day
What talk was that? If you don’t mind my asking.
@@iambuhlockay8007 th-cam.com/video/3s5Wq4Z4kMk/w-d-xo.html
@@tomoates8568 They haven't learned about charity in the last 2000 years. Jesus cast the money lenders out of the temple, the LDS Church Corporation invests in City Creek mall / Ensign Peak.
@@charlesmendeley9823 So you think the "temple" and the "mall" are the same things? Commercialists should be cast out of their own places of business? And the fact that they're not is a disproof of charity? Thanks for the gobbledygook.
As a former Jehovah's witness I fully understand the difficulties faced by missionaries.
I understand that Elder Holland is trying to express the value of a lost sheep.
However, when it comes to dating and marriage. I would not want a young man who returned early to tell my daughter he was a return missionary, if he had left early for any reason. If one cannot endure the trials of a two year mission, how could one expect to endure the trials of a marriage, that would hopefully last a lifetime or hopefully an eternity.
My advice to young men in this situation would be to prepare for a had life. The trials you face that resulted in you leaving early will be the same trials that will plague you for the rest of your life. Be accountable, search your soul figure out what defeated you and prepare to face that trial again. Men become valuable only by facing dragons and defeating them.
For those on a mission facing the temptation to leave early, my advice is simple; finishing your mission, it is a “cheat code” for life. If you defeat the trials faced on a mission (that god who knows you, and has intentionally given you) they will not be an issue for you the rest of your life. Everything you do after your mission will be easier than it would have been and success in every endeavor will be more likely.
Go and defeat dragons!
Oh yeah Mr. "Don't you dare leave your mission or your whole life will be without fulfillment, I would rip the TV cables out of the wall to keep you here" what a hypocrite.
I nearly died twice during the 6 months of serving a mission. The reason I nearly died 2 times was because of the very kinds of things that Holland have taught that going home early would make me "one of the most pitiable people on the earth." It wasn't until I was in the ICU that anyone would even countenance the idea that maybe I should be released, and even then it was debated.
So sad to hear this; you didn't deserve that
So if you can go on a mission, but choose not too, are you devil spawn? High pressure sales isn't my thing
no
No, it simply means that at that time in your life, you weren't ready to fill your Priesthood duty. People evolve, and with faith, you can still contribute much good to the world. We all go through phases of willingness to serve or stay close to the Lord.
@@stevenspainhower5493 Nelson never went on a mission. Was he a slacker???
43 years ago my mission president said 20% of the missionaries did 80% of the work, as I see what is being set out from my home area and what is coming in I would venture that currently 5% do 95% of the work a the rest get $500.00 a month to baby sit each other. God help the church but more important God help America.
Missionaries are leaving in record numbers. The product is severely defective and deceptive. 80% of new converts will be inactive within a year, so the effort is basically fruitless. Jeffery this failure falls squarely on your shoulders. Dis-honesty has no redeeming factors. Also, a church with 150,000,000,000 in investment assets should be wholly funding each and every missionary.
A dumb comment. Everything happens in record numbers when you're at a record size. Being poor, I guess I'm a little jealous of their wealth too, but how about you go succeed in your own investments before trying to dictate how the wealthy should invest?
@@bravoalphahk only a sucker pays a half Trillion dollar corporation to sell their defective product. They are corrupt whores. Plain and simple. Also, define record size? You comprise .02% of the world population. Bigfoot is more popular.
The fact that the church is acknowledging this even happens is an indication of what a significant problem this is. The church is sending out its best and brightest at a tender young age and they are being subjected to the blowtorch of society's steadily growing hate and scorn towards the MORMON church. Many missionaries are returning in a state of shock and pain and disillusionment. They are not adequately equipped to answer the difficult questions about church history, etc. that even the general authorities can't and won't answer.
They are being abused by a church that uses guilt as its primary motivational technique, not by the "wicked world".
@@AxelQC So you're saying the rest of the world doesn't abuse its youth with both guilt, and worse weapons like, I don't know, actual fists, substance addictions, incarcerations, broken families, and political fanaticism? What a beautiful fairy tale you inhabit that you will inevitably wake up from with a shock.
@@bravoalphahk “Hey, other people do bad things too, so let’s just downplay the harm Mormonism causes to alot of people.”
@@iambuhlockay8007 Put away the methamphetamines, you crazy broad. Your false accusations mean nothing to anyone.
@@bravoalphahk "everyone is bad so the harm we are doing is OK" isn't the answer you think it is. Surely The Lord's One True Church™ should be setting a higher standard and living a higher law?
th-cam.com/video/3s5Wq4Z4kMk/w-d-xo.html
His MTC address which was a number of years before this and decidedly less friendly.
Talk about "condemning through faint praise"!
You know the prophet never went on a mission.
Just tell people you served a mission and leave it at that and be approprietly proud? In other words don't let anyone know you came home early, and don't celebrate because you came home early.
The Mormon Church abuses its missionaries physically and mentally. They use guilt to motivate, which is toxic for mental health. This video is a clear example.
Nobody, at all, is interested in your type of drunken false rape accusations. Go tell it to your mother.
Liar liar your magic knickers are on fire.
Thanku my dear brother Elder Holland
Charming...
More killer logic from TH-cam's anonymous. An intelligible claim next time...?
Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ!
@@bravoalphahk The church is not true, because the Scriptues mentioned in 1 Nephi 5:11 were not written in 600 BC, especially the story of Adam and Eve mentioned was missing, as it came from the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh and was brought back by the Israelites after the Babylonian Captivity.
Too many lies coming from these LDS leaders
How so?
They won’t tell the truth about the history of the church and the inaccurate information the missionaries pass on to new learners of the church. If the missionaries teach about the church teach it all.
As one who served a mission in Washington D.C. I taught according to the scriptures, and taught according to the Spirit of God.
Jefferey R. Holland is one the most sincere and true of all human beings, very understanding, loyal a friend and disciple of Jesus Christ! Coming from someone who is a sinner non active but believes this Man!!
A true Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I have a better idea, DON'T serve a mission at all!
I didn't serve a mission and I could care less if those snobby Utah/Idaho Latter Day Saints have a problem with it!
The previous church presidency under Thomas S Monson did NOT serve a mission!
Besides you DON'T need a mission to hold any calling in the church, nor to be sealed in the temple, nor to have a temple recommend.
In short, DON'T serve a mission, finish college, find a good job and save your money, Mr. Holland!
I served a mission, and it was the greatest experience I ever had, and the best decision I ever made.
@@morgandastrup6576 same here. Definitely set me up for success and blessings. Now I have a beautiful fam, a wife and a little baby, but I still think about my mission at least once a day. No regrets at all 🤙🏼
The benefits will far outweigh the sacrifice made to serve a mission, I am so grateful for the time I had in the mission field
It's up to the individual to decide for themselves
BTW, these questions are always vetted early and sometimes even made up. 🙄
“Is this the man who’s religion made the earth to tremble and shook kingdoms?”
This man looks like he’s struggling with something that he knows is not true and also looks very scared to come out of it.
Ha ha. "Made the earth to tremble." That's a bit much, isn't it? Only you are trembling at an old man's attempt at consolation of the youth.
Why would he have come home early??? You'd have to be mentally deficit to serve an LDS mission successfully in the first place!!!!
But he said the opposite in another talk 👀👀
As someone who served a mission and looks back at it fondly…
…don’t go. No matter what anyone tells you, you’re only going to be a recruiter for the church, a church that’s based on lies and falsehoods no less. Or, at the very least, Read the CES letter, the gospel topics essays, watch Mormon stories so you can make an informed decision.
There’s nothing of value from a mission that you can’t find elsewhere.
How do you fight lies with more lies of your own? Doesn't it bother you? There is absolutely a unique set of valuable experiences belonging to missionary work, as with other similarly specific undertakings. I suggest you quit strengthening Church members' stereotypes of apostates as inveterate liars and start putting some thought into your pathetic critiques.
@@bravoalphahk Well, let’s slow down and explore your claim: What about my critiques are dishonest or “pathetic” as you put it?
@@iambuhlockay8007 By "pathetic" I meant "pity-inducing", though I was still being sarcastic as I have no pity for you at present.
The dishonesty I allege, I already explained; it's waiting there for your exploration. I said, "There is absolutely a unique set of valuable experiences belonging to missionary work", and I qualified the claim a little.
Can you seriously pretend otherwise, that a relatively lengthy rite-of-passage monastic experience of representing a theological organization and its divine personality actually constitute "nothing of value that you can't find elsewhere"? It's very, very hard to duplicate that kind of experience. Certainly literal monasticism would fit the bill, but that's hardly a typical opportunity. Long-term missions in other churches can be equivalent. Maybe military service could compare. Perhaps marriage and parenthood can compare, since parents become God's mouthpieces to their children. Maybe working abroad for the State Department can be a similar pilgrimage. Maybe joining a commune somewhere.
So, yes, I can imagine that analogically similar experiences exist, but they are all kind of singular undertakings. I submit that it's blatant, flippant nonsense to deny the uniqueness of LDS Christian missionary service, which you seem to do by suggesting it is easily replicated.
That was the whole extent of my objection. I'm a little less interested in what are probably your fanatical complaints about the Church. I have enough of my own. But feel free to vent, I guess, if you think you have any superior insights.
@@bravoalphahk Well, I guess I know how you feel about me. I don’t particularly care, so I’m not sure what to do with that information. Seems to be inflammatory for the sake of it.
You don’t seem to understand a key word in my original claim: value. You can’t find anything of VALUE that you can’t find elsewhere. LDS missions are certainly unique, but I wouldn’t call what makes them unique “valuable”.
@@iambuhlockay8007 Clearly you're making up your own uncommon criteria for what is "valuable". Then specify it. What is valuable to you, and what experiences conveying what skill sets surpass this in value? Most people would think, say, going to the Peace Corps for a couple years was valuable; they may list a set of skills or insights gained which (beyond being not easily replicable) would seem to be positive and useful abilities in life. Yet you're now saying, "No, with mission service, the theological stretching, the cultural immersion, the language, the domestic training and social broadening, the introduction to social work or marketting or psychotherapy or education, or other things commonly found in missions, is of 'no value'". Without some applicable explanation, it just seems like nihilistic flatulance to attempt to relieve the unresolved emotional pressure in your life.