@@mattyoul609 protection uses the debt acronym. The d is damage is prevented. Stomp and skullcrack negate that prevention. It would also work against a creature that had protection from red
@@mattyoul609 piggybacking off Frank’s comment, the most common blowout back in the day involved a blocking Kor Firewalker or Auriok Champion. After blocks were declared, the burn player would cast skullcrack so that the blocking creature would actually take damage and die.
Competitive is a whole different ball game here. It's only true of competitive games. In casual play, everyone should be having fun. Which is why I motion to there being a segregation between casual players and competitive players at playing tables. What one group finds fun the other absolutely does not. Mind, I play both competitive and casual. I find that playing competitively is only fun if your opponent is also playing competitively, and playing casually is only fun if your opponent is also playing casually. When you go casual and your opponent locks you out, no fun. When you go competitive and you lock out your opponent, that only feels good when they're trying to lock YOU out, because then you win the war. Land destruction beating azorius control is very fun indeed. Land destruction beating... Pirate-Squirrel tribal... Not so much. ^^
@@ryangainey94 while I also agree with that, I would say that most people watching Legacy leagues tend to lean more towards the competitive side as opposed to viewers of more casual formats such as EDH. At my commander table, the goal is for everyone to have as much fun as possible, at Legacy it tends to be way more cutthroat regardless of where I show up at. (Legacy is about a 3-hour drive for me no matter where I go, but I have the benefit of four shops within that distance that all have 25 to 50 people show up)
Loved this league throwing spells at your oppos lands. The palantir was actually pretty huge everytime it came up i do wonder if making space for a second one is worth it, that 8 life point swing is unexpected and will catch a ton of people off guard and you really need to close out games once you are exhausting the lands
I played this years ago on a GP when boom/bust goblin dark dwellers still worked. Was a blast. Everybody was playing 3/4 color decks and it was really good. Got my first few pro points with that deck 😂
Nice one any resons for prefering to destroy the urza's tower in the last tron game while they had full tron? I once read that you should prefer to destroy the non tower so that your opp has to tap the tower for selection spells which results in them having one less mana if they find full tron again
@@BoshNRoll in that case, I'll just echo it again! I also appreciate the content. Love your gameplay love your commentary. Love the diverse decks that you're able to feature on your channel. ♥️♥️♥️♥️
Just as a "pro" tip: When choosing the right urza land to destroy, usually target Mine or Power Plant, but not Tower! :) The reason: If your opponent activates Map for the last tron piece, he/she shouldnt search for Tower, because then he/she has 3 Mana after playing it! If he/she searches for Plant or Mine, its only 2 :)
Great video, but in the deck tech you say “Palantir of Orth-onc” it’s a harder A sound like Ank in ankle. So Orthanc, named after the tower of the white wizard: Orthanc. Other than that, great video as always. I lost one of my first ever local’s to Boros prison so this brought back memories!!
32:08 Isn't the heuristic to kill the non-tower land because you want the opp to use the tower to crack the expedition map to have less effective mana that turn?
I may be biased - as a player exclusively of the control archetype and modern format - but this deck could benefit from a couple Planeswalkers to tie the room together. It suffers from the Spell Pierce issue - effective to brutal in the early game, yet if you flounder and brick on board presence while opponent commits land drops in the proceedings turns, this deck suffers. Fewer LD spells, improved midgame, and stronger control elements would span that chasm. Jaya Ballard grants you *free* Stone Rain's and Anger of the Gods, in addition to card selection. Playing her - at five mana - is more of a commitment than Wrenn & Six, but I really dig her benefits in this type of shell. That's where versatile and efficient control spells like Rip Apart are a full playset in my home-brew R/W list. Ajani Vengeant also features - control tech and his ultimate supports the mission - while Nahiri the Harbinger wields control tech, card filtering to mitigate merciless top decking, and advancing a major win con. My list is also rocking Chalice at the moment - a full playset to ensure I have the damn thing, entirely devoid of one-drop spells. My darling dragon of choice is the incomparable Stormbreath. Among its several tasty details like haste and monstrous, protection from white is relevant. Ragavan does not belong in this deck. I understand its value as a pervasive goofy monkey in a vacuum, but its inclusion in this deck is unsexy. I would substitute it for cards like Rip Apart and/or a few Lightning Helix, Anger of the Gods to keep you afloat, et al. Boros Reckoner is a tentative inclusion in my list; testing that guy out. He is a live wall who dissuades impulsive attacks or Bolts/Unholy Heats who can attack himself. Combos with Anger's too, when necessary. Take this for what it is. I am a casual player, at best. Really enjoyed this video! It is my style, but again I would obstinately advocate for further control tech and canceling of the monkey pirate. Thank you Brian! Just sub'ed to your Patreon after watching and subsequently enjoying nearly all your Modern vids from the past 1 - 2 years.
I moved away from Red LD and have currently settled on Orzhov LD that splashes Red for Boom/Bust and a single copy of Obsidian Charmaw. I get this is also a prison-style deck, but I just find it too slow overall for Modern currently.
It would require a medium rebuild, but what are your thoughts on companioning Obosh in this list? It solves the #1 problem the list has (consistently needing a big fatty to close) about 10x better than the Dragon does, and while giving up the Dragon, Boom/Bust, and Suppression Field is certainly relevant, this deck *desperately* wants a Companion to close with! Maybe go Green for 1 mana acceleration like traditional Ponza?
I do wonder if in a format filled with fetches if Roiling Terrain should be a consideration in LD, it might be too off curve at 4 mana, but the damage it cam do does seem relevant in some situations
1:08:09 if you take the bone crusher and kill what they attack with. You boom/bust all their remaining lands. Then they can't attack again... I guess you still die if they top deck burn, but really seems like the right play IMO.
Came here to say the same thing. It's a toss up. If they mill the bonecrusher you lose because not enough damage but if you credit your opponent enough for them to see that the draw is less risky then bonecrusher top is better.
The One Ring gives protection from everything - Protection stops Damage, Equip/Attachment, Blocking and Targeting by the associated quality. However, Stomp says "damage can't be prevented this turn" so by Stomping himself, Bosh negated the damage prevention effect of the Ring's protection
here's the classic 4-mana-Boom-Sunbaked Canyon Interaction: Cast boom on sunbaked & whatever. Sac Canyon to draw a card in response. Voila: no carddisadvantage.
...hmm since the leyline binding package exists, basic became rare enough, that the 8-fields (+cleansing wildfire) tech of Mhyashi is better than classic prison since they dont need to give up on card slots for land destruction.
Great video today, you had me cracking up. Round 4 you mentioned the fetch during declare attacks thing to pay for prison. Is that just a problem with how mtgo is programmed or is that actually technically impossible in the rules? like is the declaring of attacks like drawing a card at the draw step or untapping at untap step where it either happens or doesn't at the beginning of that step and priority comes after?
That's exactly how it works. It's a "Turn-based action". There are a few that happen throughout a turn and assigning attackers is one that happens immediately after moving to "Declare Attackers". It's rule 703 if you want to see them all. In paper people will usually not explicitly state "moving to declare attackers", they will say "moving to combat", do what they need to do before attacking, and then turn their stuff sideways. However, if you turn your stuff sideways, you are suggesting a shortcut to move to "Declare Attackers" and at that point your opponent could accept the shortcut and call you out if you try to fetch. I don't think it would be a very common thing to see even in tournament play, but by the current rules it is enforceable.
Game one against Control shows everything wrong with Modern in its current state. Not only is Solitude (and by the same token, all of the Evoke elementals) a problematic card where they had counterplay with no mana sources, but they are able to play non-basic lands with impunity. The fear of Blood Moon doesn't exist anymore because Boseiju is a zero-opportunity cost if you're already playing 5c to be able to run Leyline Binding, and Wrenn and Six has made it so that decks can just recur that single land, as well as made mana fixing a non-issue.
Round 3 was cathartics for me, Any time I get stone rained on control I just abandon all hope. This dude was brought to nothing and played to his outs and got their.
When ikoria came out and the triomes no one really knew what they would do for and to 60 card formats. Through the lens of your experience do you think triomes had a large impact and if so a positive or negative one?
Are there any good creature or utility lands worth running? Neat deck but it looks like it needs to extract more value out of the landbase for those low resource games. Even a simple Castle Ardenvale would have been a boon in that 4 color matchup.
What about some number of blood moons in the 75? both decks you lost to could've possibly folded to Moon if you had it in play. the U/W deck wouldn't have had WW for Solitude, U Tron wouldn't have had Tron for Mindslaver or Wurmcoil + Ring
i think Moonveil Regent is just plain better than your dragon, isnt it? same body with an upside, while the draw is also better, as you can chain multiple one or two drops in topdeck mode. only problem is it doesnt work with artifacts, but i think thats still better card. The multicolor phrasing on moonveil is just a distraction, the card is great in ponza and it will be great here.
Avaricious Dragon guarantees an extra card every turn. Moonveil doesn’t pay out lands or artifacts. It’s certainly not “just plain better” but it is a reasonable option.
Just curious why "Protection From Everything" doesn't give you protection from the bonecrusher giant? It says damage can't be prevented. But why don't you have protection from that ability? Just so I can understand the interaction better.
"Stomp, target me" is such a sick line, what a play
Old heads in the format know the moment the time they either blew someone out or got blown out by a Skullcrack via the same interaction
I dont know how this works can you explain please
@@mattyoul609 protection uses the debt acronym. The d is damage is prevented. Stomp and skullcrack negate that prevention. It would also work against a creature that had protection from red
@@mattyoul609 piggybacking off Frank’s comment, the most common blowout back in the day involved a blocking Kor Firewalker or Auriok Champion. After blocks were declared, the burn player would cast skullcrack so that the blocking creature would actually take damage and die.
*punches self in face*
“Ha! Get owned!”
I don't click on your Modern videos (but always click Pauper, Vintage, Legacy, Draft).
HOWEVER, you had me at LAND DESTRUCTION ❤️🔥
Fun is a sum zero game. If we make our opponents have less of it, by definition, we are having more!
If you're having a little bit of fun, and you opponent is having none at all, then you're having all of the fun!
Prison Players Creed. Fun is a zero sum game.
@@reynthyme9868 Lmaooo
Competitive is a whole different ball game here. It's only true of competitive games. In casual play, everyone should be having fun. Which is why I motion to there being a segregation between casual players and competitive players at playing tables. What one group finds fun the other absolutely does not.
Mind, I play both competitive and casual. I find that playing competitively is only fun if your opponent is also playing competitively, and playing casually is only fun if your opponent is also playing casually. When you go casual and your opponent locks you out, no fun. When you go competitive and you lock out your opponent, that only feels good when they're trying to lock YOU out, because then you win the war. Land destruction beating azorius control is very fun indeed. Land destruction beating... Pirate-Squirrel tribal... Not so much. ^^
@@ryangainey94 while I also agree with that, I would say that most people watching Legacy leagues tend to lean more towards the competitive side as opposed to viewers of more casual formats such as EDH. At my commander table, the goal is for everyone to have as much fun as possible, at Legacy it tends to be way more cutthroat regardless of where I show up at. (Legacy is about a 3-hour drive for me no matter where I go, but I have the benefit of four shops within that distance that all have 25 to 50 people show up)
There is a set amount of fun to be had in a game of magic, and I plan to have all of it
That first game killing with fury + stomp through a one ring shield
"Go to Hellbent" is a good phrase, and feels good for when the red deck wins.
Valakut awakening fits nicely in this deck for more card draw, flood protection and reach
Deck desperately needs flood protection, if this sample size is anything to go on.
Loved this league throwing spells at your oppos lands.
The palantir was actually pretty huge everytime it came up i do wonder if making space for a second one is worth it, that 8 life point swing is unexpected and will catch a ton of people off guard and you really need to close out games once you are exhausting the lands
Was thinking the same. Fury and Boom//Bust give a pretty good chance of doing a fat chunk of damage
Match 1 Game 3 was disgusting. Bravo.
I played this years ago on a GP when boom/bust goblin dark dwellers still worked. Was a blast.
Everybody was playing 3/4 color decks and it was really good.
Got my first few pro points with that deck 😂
Nice one
any resons for prefering to destroy the urza's tower in the last tron game while they had full tron? I once read that you should prefer to destroy the non tower so that your opp has to tap the tower for selection spells which results in them having one less mana if they find full tron again
Always here for the content. Love your gameplay and commentary
I appreciate that!
@@BoshNRoll in that case, I'll just echo it again! I also appreciate the content. Love your gameplay love your commentary. Love the diverse decks that you're able to feature on your channel. ♥️♥️♥️♥️
That stomp in response to the one ring.
"I have the one ring! "
"I have no fucks, *punch*"
I am seriously impressed by the sound you made at 7:44
Just as a "pro" tip: When choosing the right urza land to destroy, usually target Mine or Power Plant, but not Tower! :)
The reason: If your opponent activates Map for the last tron piece, he/she shouldnt search for Tower, because then he/she has 3 Mana after playing it! If he/she searches for Plant or Mine, its only 2 :)
Land Destruction is my favourite archetype. If one day we could mix LD + Waste Not It would tingle my most primal instincts
Great video, but in the deck tech you say “Palantir of Orth-onc” it’s a harder A sound like Ank in ankle. So Orthanc, named after the tower of the white wizard: Orthanc. Other than that, great video as always. I lost one of my first ever local’s to Boros prison so this brought back memories!!
Palantir is good because many mtg players on arena don't read so I've won a lot of matches from using that card.
Look into playing Phyrexian Scriptures. Feels like 90% of games people play creatures into the onboard wipe.
@@Melissanoma Yeah I like that card when it came out; might play around with it again in historic.
This deck is surprisingly synergystic and fitting against the meta. With suppression against the Ring,
32:08
Isn't the heuristic to kill the non-tower land because you want the opp to use the tower to crack the expedition map to have less effective mana that turn?
I absolutely love that 4 drop dragon wearing Grafted Skullcap
I may be biased - as a player exclusively of the control archetype and modern format - but this deck could benefit from a couple Planeswalkers to tie the room together. It suffers from the Spell Pierce issue - effective to brutal in the early game, yet if you flounder and brick on board presence while opponent commits land drops in the proceedings turns, this deck suffers. Fewer LD spells, improved midgame, and stronger control elements would span that chasm.
Jaya Ballard grants you *free* Stone Rain's and Anger of the Gods, in addition to card selection. Playing her - at five mana - is more of a commitment than Wrenn & Six, but I really dig her benefits in this type of shell. That's where versatile and efficient control spells like Rip Apart are a full playset in my home-brew R/W list. Ajani Vengeant also features - control tech and his ultimate supports the mission - while Nahiri the Harbinger wields control tech, card filtering to mitigate merciless top decking, and advancing a major win con. My list is also rocking Chalice at the moment - a full playset to ensure I have the damn thing, entirely devoid of one-drop spells.
My darling dragon of choice is the incomparable Stormbreath. Among its several tasty details like haste and monstrous, protection from white is relevant.
Ragavan does not belong in this deck. I understand its value as a pervasive goofy monkey in a vacuum, but its inclusion in this deck is unsexy. I would substitute it for cards like Rip Apart and/or a few Lightning Helix, Anger of the Gods to keep you afloat, et al. Boros Reckoner is a tentative inclusion in my list; testing that guy out. He is a live wall who dissuades impulsive attacks or Bolts/Unholy Heats who can attack himself. Combos with Anger's too, when necessary.
Take this for what it is. I am a casual player, at best. Really enjoyed this video! It is my style, but again I would obstinately advocate for further control tech and canceling of the monkey pirate. Thank you Brian! Just sub'ed to your Patreon after watching and subsequently enjoying nearly all your Modern vids from the past 1 - 2 years.
I would think you would have at least one crumble to dust in the main/sideboard for urza’s saga and tron.
Hey I was your round 3 control opponent, ggs dude love the channel
GGs!
12:30 AMAZING line.
huge fan of grafted skullcap effects- love the weird brews!
Love Palantir so much. What a cool card.
Avaricious Dragon!! Wow! Love that card
Round 1 game 3 was despicable, and I love it!
Loved Ponza when that was a deck Pillage FTW.
Alternate title suggestion.
"Busting makes me feel good (if only they would let me)" 😢
Palantir has been fun for breaking legacy control mirrors for me, love that card
I moved away from Red LD and have currently settled on Orzhov LD that splashes Red for Boom/Bust and a single copy of Obsidian Charmaw. I get this is also a prison-style deck, but I just find it too slow overall for Modern currently.
29:15 relic is just there as filler. Also sorry Brian. I'm rooting for the Tron player!
I just ordered RKF’s Pillage playmat. So excited ❤
That double Bust in round 3 hurt my soul.
It would require a medium rebuild, but what are your thoughts on companioning Obosh in this list? It solves the #1 problem the list has (consistently needing a big fatty to close) about 10x better than the Dragon does, and while giving up the Dragon, Boom/Bust, and Suppression Field is certainly relevant, this deck *desperately* wants a Companion to close with! Maybe go Green for 1 mana acceleration like traditional Ponza?
would seasoned pyromancer be a good fit for this deck? Seems like it would be good if you plan on going hellbent often!
I do wonder if in a format filled with fetches if Roiling Terrain should be a consideration in LD, it might be too off curve at 4 mana, but the damage it cam do does seem relevant in some situations
Absolutely sick list, will be hoarding all the fun in leagues soon
1:08:09 if you take the bone crusher and kill what they attack with. You boom/bust all their remaining lands. Then they can't attack again... I guess you still die if they top deck burn, but really seems like the right play IMO.
Came here to say the same thing. It's a toss up. If they mill the bonecrusher you lose because not enough damage but if you credit your opponent enough for them to see that the draw is less risky then bonecrusher top is better.
Blue Tron is one of my favorite decks to ever exist
At the intro I was praying to the magic gods that you'd face tron....who says prayer doesnt work? 21:35
MHayashi has had a lot of success with a Mono Red midrange deck w/ 8 Field of Ruin effects.
is there any consideration to playing spyro or fable over the dragon?
Avaricious dragon vs moonveil reagent, is it just personal preference?
Does this deck want fable to help mitigate flooding?
I am new to this game. How does stomp get around the one ring?
The One Ring gives protection from everything - Protection stops Damage, Equip/Attachment, Blocking and Targeting by the associated quality. However, Stomp says "damage can't be prevented this turn" so by Stomping himself, Bosh negated the damage prevention effect of the Ring's protection
here's the classic 4-mana-Boom-Sunbaked Canyon Interaction: Cast boom on sunbaked & whatever. Sac Canyon to draw a card in response. Voila: no carddisadvantage.
...hmm since the leyline binding package exists, basic became rare enough, that the 8-fields (+cleansing wildfire) tech of Mhyashi is better than classic prison since they dont need to give up on card slots for land destruction.
Great video today, you had me cracking up.
Round 4 you mentioned the fetch during declare attacks thing to pay for prison. Is that just a problem with how mtgo is programmed or is that actually technically impossible in the rules? like is the declaring of attacks like drawing a card at the draw step or untapping at untap step where it either happens or doesn't at the beginning of that step and priority comes after?
That's exactly how it works. It's a "Turn-based action". There are a few that happen throughout a turn and assigning attackers is one that happens immediately after moving to "Declare Attackers". It's rule 703 if you want to see them all.
In paper people will usually not explicitly state "moving to declare attackers", they will say "moving to combat", do what they need to do before attacking, and then turn their stuff sideways. However, if you turn your stuff sideways, you are suggesting a shortcut to move to "Declare Attackers" and at that point your opponent could accept the shortcut and call you out if you try to fetch. I don't think it would be a very common thing to see even in tournament play, but by the current rules it is enforceable.
When on the fence about Rest in Peace never being in 2 copies. Such steep diminishing returns.
Game one against Control shows everything wrong with Modern in its current state. Not only is Solitude (and by the same token, all of the Evoke elementals) a problematic card where they had counterplay with no mana sources, but they are able to play non-basic lands with impunity. The fear of Blood Moon doesn't exist anymore because Boseiju is a zero-opportunity cost if you're already playing 5c to be able to run Leyline Binding, and Wrenn and Six has made it so that decks can just recur that single land, as well as made mana fixing a non-issue.
Palantir was great in limited. Also shout out to a Wayne staple. DASHED HOPES lol his binder has like 100 copies of it
Consider Cast into the Fire instead of a shattering spree
Play more land destruction ❤ I love the mardu Haktos list that’s done a few 5-0s
Avaricious definition make them boys go loco
Round 3 was cathartics for me, Any time I get stone rained on control I just abandon all hope. This dude was brought to nothing and played to his outs and got their.
Poked my head in to comment on the awesome RKF Pillage art.
Went out of the way to get that one 🤙🏻
When ikoria came out and the triomes no one really knew what they would do for and to 60 card formats. Through the lens of your experience do you think triomes had a large impact and if so a positive or negative one?
I'm not Bosh but I think they're very unhealthy for the modern format, personally. Manabase in modern are too good right now.
"go to hellbent" I heard "Go to hell, Ben" heh
Got any sick pauper plays?
Are there any good creature or utility lands worth running? Neat deck but it looks like it needs to extract more value out of the landbase for those low resource games. Even a simple Castle Ardenvale would have been a boon in that 4 color matchup.
Combinação perfeita!
Yup gunna build this
Detritivore would have done some work against that blue white control
Obsidian charmaw?
Why not adding some land/creatures? With empty board and empty hand they're a good win condition
ok the Stomp was extra busted sauce.
Did someone order the IceNine speciel?
B A N G
Deck might want a den of the bug bear
well dang. now that I remember temporal extortion exists I want to play Lier/Malevolent Hermit. It's going to be so so awful.
This deck really feels like it wants mana tithe. Youre blowing up lands, so it'll be hard for them to pay
R2G2: Choses not to destroy the tron land. Immediately gets tron'ed lol I was dying targeting green against tron.
avaricous dragon is cool and all but its probably better as fable of the mirror breaker
Would've loved to see Fissure as a one of over stone rain
Fissure is not legal in Modern. 😭
@@realperson69 nuuuu TnT
LD and prison?? your just spoiling me with this one!!!
Nice deck bro
Can you not Dash with Ragavan when Chalice is out for 1?
No. It’s still a 1 mana value card even if you’re using its 2 mana alternate cost
How do you like my foot to face style?
I’m bleeding, making me the victor
What about some number of blood moons in the 75? both decks you lost to could've possibly folded to Moon if you had it in play. the U/W deck wouldn't have had WW for Solitude, U Tron wouldn't have had Tron for Mindslaver or Wurmcoil + Ring
So would Mana Tithe be too cute for this deck?
Round 3 is exactly why I think the incarnation are so bad for Modern. Stuff like that is fine in Legacy, but its so much stronger in Modern
Why no aven mindcensor to help the boom bust line and add on to prison?
I think more card draw would make it better
I think a golos might be cool in here
Oh wait suppression field i forgot
i think Moonveil Regent is just plain better than your dragon, isnt it?
same body with an upside, while the draw is also better, as you can chain multiple one or two drops in topdeck mode. only problem is it doesnt work with artifacts, but i think thats still better card.
The multicolor phrasing on moonveil is just a distraction, the card is great in ponza and it will be great here.
Avaricious Dragon guarantees an extra card every turn. Moonveil doesn’t pay out lands or artifacts. It’s certainly not “just plain better” but it is a reasonable option.
Id honestly put drc in instead or ragavan for when you flood out
DRC doesn’t get you to 3 mana on turn 2
yeah but the amount of times youre stuck in a topdeck battle makes it worth it
think we need another dragon and 1 more orb thing
Playing the bad guy; LD. I was rooting for tron. I've been on the other side of that, it's bad.
Love me some miserable magic.
Obligatory algorithmic contribution
Here for the jank! 😊
God bless Supression Field in 2023.
Hell yeah!!
Got my attention
Just curious why "Protection From Everything" doesn't give you protection from the bonecrusher giant?
It says damage can't be prevented. But why don't you have protection from that ability?
Just so I can understand the interaction better.
Protection is can’t be targeted, damaged, attached, or blocked by. Since damage can’t be prevented this turn isn’t any of the above, it still applies
Bonecrusher’s ability doesn’t target a player, so you don’t have protection from it.
I see. This makes sense, thanks man!
So many intricate things in this game. Always much to learn
MISSING SOME CAST INTO FIRE NOW
Love me some fair magic❤