Hello guys! I re-uploaded the old video since there were some key things I wanted to fix, such as character placements, entry information and more. I believe this version reflects everything that I intended to! Apologies if there are things that makes less sense than it should have, this took a lot, and there's a lot of information to correlate, and I'm only human haha. Nevertheless, Thank you for your amazing support! Also, don't forget to use the key-arrows to navigate! ⬅➡ Cheers! If you like the work, please feel free to support me here on TH-cam or on Patreon! th-cam.com/channels/7t2GoFvc1jwp_NdprcecgQ.htmljoin www.patreon.com/hyourinjutsu
Okat yeah I still dont get how goku black saga vegito is stronger than god gogeta with kaioken in the t.o.p? And ssj4 gogeta shouldnt be stronger than an incredibly crazy super saiyan 4 blue goku. Its your thing so i dont care too much on placement but im just saying they are way too high dude, unless you could explain it please?
@@DaYapGuy To be fair, Shin was constantly underestimating the cast's power lel. He was totally flabbergasted at how casually Vegeta destroyed Pui Pui, and I believe underestimated how much energy Babidi would get off of Gohan.
Compared to transformations where you can have a quantifiable multiplier fusion is like squaring a power, granted thats hyperbole on my part The fact vegito base was not even threatened by buuhan speaks volumes
Considering GT Golden Frieza with 5th form was only rank 32, his Black form would probably put him at top 20, with 5th form+Black I'd say hes top 10, maybe even top 5 but I really don't see him being beyond Limitbreaker Vegito, SSBE+Kaiokenx20 Gogeta, or UI Beerus, and hes obviously not touching Branba whatsoever lmao, that guy is undisputed #1 in the verse.
@@rusty2812 I'd say maybe UI Beerus level to be honest, purely because of the fact that, this black form itself (not taking into GT!Frieza's base power increase over Super!Frieza!) would likely be even stronger than the one used by DBS Frieza, with so much more time to perfect the form, let alone combine it with the 5th form and master even that.
I didn't get to comment this last time, but you know the powerscaling for this multiverse is crazy when you have a version of GT Goku who was able to combine ssj4 and ssj blue and he still isn't even in the top 10 strongest
@@ShadowKnux372 Considering the additions to Super after the release of What if 5, it's basically confirmed that Blue 4 isn't even close to his max. He must have mastered UI at that point.
As I said in the original video, I am very much looking forward to seeing mods made of these original forms and characters, and to creating what-if scenarios as well! It would be *very* funny if Goku Black's storyline included Future Gohan as a character to battle.
Changes in ranking: What if 10 Perfected Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 55 → 58 What if 15 Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 Goku: 58 → 57 What if 15 Super Saiyan Blue Evolution Vegeta: 57 → 56 What if 13 Super Saiyan 4 Kaioken x20 GT Goku: 56 → 55 What if 21 Incomplete Cell Max: 26 → 40 What if 12 Super Saiyan God Gogeta: 40 → 39 What if 5 Golden Cell: 39 → 38 What if 12 Full Power Jiren: 30 → 37 What if 17 Legendary Super Saiyan Broly (Super): 32 → 35 What if 18 Ultra Ego Vegeta: 38 → 34 What if 9 Broly Legendary Super Saiyan 4, Battle Power Rising I: 37 → 33 What if 13 Golden 5th Form Frieza: 35 → 32 What if 12 Super Saiyan God Kaioken x10 Gogeta: 34 → 31 What if 13 Golden Cell Super Saiyan 4 Goku Absorbed: 33 → 30 What if 9 Broly Legendary Super Saiyan 4, Battle Power Rising II: 31 → 29 What if 18 Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku: 29 → 28 What if 18 Ultra Ego Vegeta, Battle Power Rising: 28 → 27 What if 18 True Ultra Instinct Goku (Spirit Bomb Absorbed): 27 → 26
Time to give it a rewatch and see if I can pin down some of the exact changes! I'm glad that SSJ4 Blue Goku still manages to be one of the higher-tier characters in this. Even though his animation doesn't have him in action, I really like the look of the form, and I'm just a SSJ4 fan anyway, so it also makes me happy that Xeno Vegito is also one of the tip-top levels. (Of course, as this ranking shows, fusions in general are crazy OP.) Almost everything about that GT Goku vs. Golden Frieza timeline continues to be depressing, even in just entries for the characters. It was an excellently-done animation, though admittedly one of my least favorites just because of not being a big fan of villain victories, and how one-sided it was with the hindsight stuff like this provides. Have to wonder where Black Frieza (GT) would wind up on the scale if he was in there. Same with the mysterious possible SSJ5 Broly that was hinted at. Like I said last time, great work on this stuff, Hyourin. Excellent sprites, trivia blurbs for every entry that detail extra lore and info in a lot of 'em, it really shows off your creativity and passion. Looking forward to everything else you cook up in the future! (Imagine how much more we'll end up seeing on a third power ranking video a few years down the line, you just know Hyourin's got some more crazy stuff in mind!)
@@toob_noob4381 Yeah, that's what makes it even more depressing in hindsight, that he was just being toyed with the entire time. Goku vs. Bardock!Ginyu was similar in that regard. Great fights, just sad that the heroes had no chance in those timelines and evil wins in the end.
@@ShadowKnux372 in hindsight, what if 16 wasn't anywhere near as dark as what if 13 or 17, as 16 is only a dark ending due to poor timing, had Goku have been slightly quicker, he'd be able to eat the senzu and gain the astronomical boost in power from the zenkai he'd have gotten, and if you so choose to believe that his last due power spike before his death was him going super saiyan and not kaioken x50, it would be clear that Ginyu, neither frieza would've been any sort of threat.
@@RacketEPIC Yeah, that one's a little less depressing because there was a short moment where it seemed like there was still a chance, it wasn't quite as monumentally one-sided as the Frieza one, though in the end it still ended poorly. So yeah, overall GT Frieza is still the worst timeline we've seen thus far.
Thanks for the reupload! I was going to watch this later when I saw the original upload earlier. Then I saw that it was taken down. Im going to finish it right now lol. Also, can't wait for the upcoming what-if! And of course, take all the time you need. You are truly appreciated.
And even better; he beat the guy that was above him. Maybe he could even match Gogeta (SSBE + KKx20) and win the same way he beat Baby Vegito Black (KKx20)!
Commenting again from the last upload: So basically the Gogeta Timeline is screwed no matter what, because even if Cumber didn't show up (and Branba wasn't crazy OP), the timeline itself was already slowly falling apart due to all the time distortions throwing it out of reality. Cumber showing up and fusing was really just the nail in the coffin. It's quite telling that in the bottom right timeline, there's NOTHING listed after this event, not even stuff like end of Z or Super Hero (Like how End of Z is listed next for What-if 21). This timeline ENDS here, *full stop.*
@@Hayne141 It's explained in the Broly & Cumber parts (11:51 and 12:47), and their fusion at the end of the video. The abuse of the Gogeta fusion has generated out of control feedback loops of intensity ("distortions in time"), paving the way for Cumber to step in their Universe, and the ultimate conclusion is their own (self-)destruction. Their reality has reached the point where all systems of logic as you know them come to an end. This is why, as noted, "Cumber could create Potara Earrings out of thin air" - and by deduction - their Branba fusion could presumably remain as long as they want despite the overwhelming power output. Anyway, it's all nonsense. Don't try to make sense of this (likewise, you can't make sense of DB Heroes either). It's supposed to be fun.
To be fair, nothing is in Super GT Goku's timeline either, so it could be that something happened in Bromber's timeline that we just don't know about. Either way, Goku and Vegeta are in for a bad time.
I knew those golden cell placements were a mistake, but I got told I was wrong and deleted my comment... Still a great video either way, I love watching your what if series.
I actually think the Golden Cell placements make sense. What If 6 Cell trained until the Goku Black Arc, but What If 5 Cell trained until GT, which is a much larger timeframe. Even without Godly Ki, 5’s Cell should be far stronger than 6’s just from training alone.
Hopefully someone hasn't already made a (joke-filled and semi-redundant) list (What if 21 spoilers partially blocked off): 154. Giru 1:54 153. Bobbidi/Babidi 2:00 152. Pui Pui 2:04 151. What if 16 Goku 2:10 150. What if 16 Goku (Kaioken x5?) 2:15 149. Bardock-Ginyu 2:20 148. What if 16 Goku (Kaioken x10): 2:24 147. Bardock Ginyu (SSJ Power): 2:28 146. What if 16 Goku (Kaioken x20): 2:34 145. What if 4 Vegeta: 2:40 144. What if 16 Goku (Kaioken x30): 2:45 143. What if 16 Goku (Kaioken x40): 2:50 142. What if 16 Goku (x50): 2:54 141. Bardock-Ginyu (SSJ): 3:00 140. Yakon 3:06 139. What if 4 Freeza: 3:10 138. What if 4 Vegeta (SSJ): 3:15 137. What if 4 Freeza (Full Power): 3:21 136. What if 7 Goku Black: 3:26 135. What if 14 Vegeta: 3:30 134. Future Gohan (SSJ): 3:36 133. What if 10 DBS Goku: 3:41 132. What if 12 Goku: 3:45 131. What if 12 Vegeta: 3:50 130. Majin Piccolo: 3:55 129. What if 7 Goku Black (SSJ): 4:00 128. Future Gohan (SSJ2): 4:05 127. Dabra/Dabura: 4:10 126. What if 14 Vegeta (SSJ): 4:15 125. What if 10 DBS Goku (SSJ): 4:20 124. What if 7 Goku Black (Zenkai Boost/Like in Canon but Actually Well Explained): 4:25 123. What if 1 Broli/Broly (LSSJ): 4:31 122. What if 9 Broli/Broly (LSSJ): 4:35 121. What if 14 Goku Black: 4:40 120. Future Gohan (SSJ3): 4:46 119. Young Gohan (SSJ3): 4:50 118. What if 13 Goku (Above """"""Boo""""""): 4:55 117. What if 11 Goku (SSJ3): 5:00 116. Super Boo/Evil Boo: 5:05 115. What if 2 Gohan (Ultimate): 5:09 114. What if 11 Gohan (Ultimate): 5:15 113. What if 14 Goku Black (SSJ): 5:20 112. What if 1 Broli/Broly (LSSJ3): 5:25 111. What if 9 Broli/Broly (LSSJ3): 5:30 110. What if 9 Goku Black: 5:35 109. What if 19 Goku Black: 5:41 108. Gotenks Boo: 5:45 107. What if 6 Gohan (Ultimate): 5:50 106. What if 9 Goku Black (SSJ): 5:54 105. What if 10 DBS Goku (SSJ2): 5:59 104. What if 6 Cell: 6:05 103. What if 10 GT Goku (Goku Time): 6:10 102. What if 13 Goku (SSJ Power): 6:15 101. What if 10 DBS Goku (SSJ3): 6:20 100. What if 13 Goku (SSJ): 6:25 99. What if 10 GT Goku (SSJ): 6:30 98. What if 9 Goku Black (SSJ2, hypocrite): 6:35 97. What if 14 Goku Black (Super Kaioken x10): 6:41 96. What if 3 Goku (Orange SSJ4): 6:45 95. Vegeta Baby (SSJ, but I don't think any of the writers acknowledge that): 6:50 94. What if 13 Goku (SSJ2): 6:55 93. What if 10 GT Goku (SSJ2): 7:00 92. Super Baby 1: 7:05 91. Vegeta (SSJ3, Goku Time victim): 7:10 90. What if 13 Freeza (Did 2 pushups): 7:16 89. What if 13 Goku (SSJ3): 7:20 88. What if 9 Broli (Legendary "Golden" Oozaru/Great Ape): 7:25 87. What if 14 Goku Black (SSJ4): 7:29 86. What if 14 Vegeta (SSG): 7:35 85. What if 7 Goku Black (SSR): 7:39 84. What if 10 GT Goku (SSJ3): 7:44 83. Super Baby 2: 7:49 82. What if 14 Vegeta (SSGE): 7:54 81. What if 10 DBS Goku (SSG): 8:00 80. What if 14 Vegeta (SSGE/SSBE): 8:05 78. What if 1 Goku (SSB): 8:15 76. What if 9 Goku Black (SSG): 8:25 75. Gokuhan: 8:29 74. What if 14 Goku Black (SSJ4, Kaioken x10): 8:34 73. HA HA HA NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN I'M SUPER 17: 8:40 72. What if 13 Goku (SSJ4): 8:44 71. What if 6 Goku (SSB): 8:50 70. Adult Baby (Somehow has less screentime in this form than in canon): 8:55 69. What if 6 Funni numbergeta (SSB): 9:00 68. What if 14 Goku Black (SSR): 9:04 67. What if 13 Goku (SSJ4, post-zenkai boost): 9:09 66. What if 10 GT Goku (SSJ4): 9:15 65. What if 10 DBS Goku (SSB, character regressed): 9:20 64. What if 9 Goku Black (SSR): 9:25 63. "Vegetto" Black (Literal half-vegetable): 9:29 62. What if 13 Goku (SSJ4, Kaioken x10): 9:35 61. What if 6 Goku (SSB, Kaioken x10): 9:39 60. Gokuhan (Kaioken x10): 9:45 59. What if 6 Cell (Golden): 9:50 58. What if 10 DBS Goku (Perfected/Completed SSB): 9:55 57. What if 15 Goku (SSB Kaioken x20): 10:00 56. What if 15 Vegeta (SSBE): 10:05 55. What if 13 Goku (SSJ4, Kaioken x20, not Goku Time): 10:10 54. What if 17 Goku (SSB Kaioken x20): 10:15 53. What if 17 Vegeta (SSBE): 10:20 52. Vegetto: Xeno: 10:25 51. What if 9 Goku Black (SSR, Kaioken x10): 10:30 50. What if 18 Vegeta (UE Sign/Omen): 10:35 48. 2nd blandest DB villain/Jiren: 10:45 47. What if 18 Goku (UI Omen/Sign): 10:50 45. What if 15 Gogeta (Saiyan Beyond God): 11:00 44. Vegetto: Xeno (Wrathful/Ikari): 11:05 43. What if 13 Freeza (Golden, did some pushups and situps): 11:10 42. What if 6 Cell (Golden, godly ki): 11:15 41. Super GT Goku (SSB, Goku Time): 11:20 39. What if 12 Gogeta (SSG): 11:30 38. What if 5 Cell (Golden): 11:35 37. Jiren (Full Power): 11:40 35. What if 17 Broli/Broly (SSJFP/LSSJ): 11:50 34. What if 18 Vegeta (UE): 11:55 33. What if 9 Broli/Broly (SSJ4, Koyama wank): 12:00 32. What if 13 Freeza (Golden + 5th form, 10 pushups + 10 situps + juice): 12:05 31. What if 12 Gogeta (SSG, Kaioken x10): 12:10 30. What if 13 Cell (Golden, SSJ4 Goku absorbed): 12:15 29. What if 9 Broli/Broly (SSJ4, Zenkai boost): 12:20 28. What if 18 Goku (Completed/Mastered UI): 12:25 27. What if 18 Vegeta (UE, stopped jobbing/battle power rising): 12:30 26. What if 18 Goku (True UI, Genki-Dama/Spirit Bomb absorbed): 12:35 25. What if 6 Gogeta (SSB): 12:40 24. Cumber (SSJ3 Full Power): 12:45 23. What if 9 Baby Vegetto Black (SSR + Strongest Form 2): 12:50 22. What if 19 Baby Vegetto Black (SSR + Strongest Form 2/Legendary Super Racist): 12:55 21. What if 19 Beerus: 13:00 20. What if 3 Beerus: 13:05 19. Super GT Goku (SSB4): 13:10 18. Jiren (Super Full Power): 13:15 17. What if 8 Gogeta (SSJ4): 13:20 16. What if 8 Vegetto (SSB): 13:25 15. What if 12 Gogeta (SSB): 13:30 14. Vegetto: Xeno (SSJ4): 13:35 12. What if 15 Gogeta (SSB): 13:45 9. What if 8 Vegetto (SSB, Kaioken x10): 14:00 8. What if 15 Gogeta (SSBE): 14:05 7. Vegetto: Xeno (SFPSJ4): 14:10 6. What if 19 Beerus (UI Omen/Sign, moving goalpost): 14:15 5. What if 19 Baby Vegetto Black (SSR + Strongest Form 2, Kaioken x20): 14:20 4. What if 12 Gogeta (SSBE, Kaioken x20): 14:25 3. What if 15 Gogeta (SSBE, Kaioken x20): 14:30 2. Vegetto: Xeno (SFPSJ4 Limit Breaker): 14:35 1. Bromber/Branba (FPSSJ/SSJ3 Full Power): 14:40 ------------------------------------------------------ 79. What if 21 Gohan (Ultimate): 8:10 77. Gamma 1 & 2: 8:20 49. Orange Piccolo/Gigachad Piccolo: 10:40 46. What if 21 Broli/Broly (SSJ): 10:55 40. Cell Max (Incomplete): 11:25 36. What if 21 Gohan (Beast): 11:45 13. Cell Max (Complete/Only Hyourinjutsu could make this good): 13:40 11. Cell Max (Orange Piccolo absorbed): 13:50 10. What if 21 Gohan (Beast Oozaru/Great Ape): 13:55
Y'all don't understand how excited I was to see this video pop up on my feed. This isn't just your average powerscaling video, this is a juicy lore drop right here. I'm so excited to watch this and read every single word. Please keep making these, I loved the first one and I'm sure I'll love this one was well.
So What-If 21 is either gonna end in a Kaiju Battle Between an Oozaru Beast Gohan with his mental reasoning intact against a (Presumably) “Giant” Orange Perfect Cell Max.. Or Hyourin is gonna go even crazier and we get an SS4/Beast Hybrid before we even see a proper SSBlue/4 hybrid in action lol. Also I wonder if there’s gonna be a Follow up to the Branba What-If.. like is he gonna wipe Goku and Vegeta away and then try to challenge Whis?!
Great video, but you're really underestimating my boys Yakon and Pui Pui over here. Even the Supreme Kai was afraid of Pui Pui and called him one of the strongest people in the universe, and that's the same Supreme Kai who said he could oneshot Namek Frieza.
For a follow up to What IF 17, I can only guess that Gogeta and Vegito Xeno will have to team up against Bramba, maybe even needing to fuse together into Gogito towards the end and then use the Super Dragon Balls to fix the collapsing reality, and this is me being generous. There’s also the Piccolo Majin and Bleak Future Timelines to fix as well to boot, albeit on the former there’s a good chance that Goku and Gohan could stop Piccolo and his children’s while the former at least could maybe have Broly, either Z or Súper, get Berserk and transform enough to somehow keep up with Frieza, Cell and Super 17, or even that Beerus wakes up and actually fixes the whole mess as usual.
It's quite telling that the bottom right "Timeline Placement" shows there's NOTHING after What-if 17 (not even End of Z like it's shown for What-if 21). This timeline ENDS here.
@@SpectroliteDStbf, ssgss4 Goku in What-If #5 also didn’t have a timeline placement behind or in front. It could mean that the timeline ended, but it could also mean it is a mystery
@@DARS_04 Honestly if it ends up being an April Fools fight the comments better end up being so toxic that scrolling through em feels like a comedy lol
I am just 2 minutes in and hot damn, this is some of the most beautiful pixel-art I have ever seen! This makes me think what an awesome Dragon Ball beat-em up game would be like in this art style. Since this of course has a video game feel to it, intentionally so.
Wow! Great video! Incredibly interesting that as it currently stands, Gohan is currently the strongest non-fused mortal in the What-If Multiverse. Really really interesting! I can't wait to see the next what-if animation!
Imagine if, by the same logic that allowed Z Broly to immediately control his Great Ape form and use 4, Gohan's experience with his anger allowed him to assume a mixture of 4 and Beast in the future. I honestly think even the Frieza from GT with his Fifth and Black forms would be outmatched.
re-uploaded, alright, again I say, glad to finally have another power scaling video from this man with new additions, Xeno Vegito with Wrathful is my favorite so far.
Now that just comes confirms it, Beerus is real powerful, not only did he rank 6th strongest, keep in mind rank 9-1 are all fusions, if by chance beerus could do ‘Mastered UI’ that would probably shoot him up to either Rank two or even one, and dont even start with beerus fusing with someone.
Considering the original video got deleted and thus my comment as well, Let me just repeat and rephrase what I said there. 3:39. The interesting about the factoid here on Manga Goku about the "It's implied that his base power hasn't significantly" compared to his Anime or even OG Movie version who gained a massive boost due to absorbing the power of SSG in their SSJ form during the BOG Arc. Is that by the time of the Moro arc, This seemed no longer the case as Dende seemingly confirms when healing him while in base that Goku's Ki has reached God Levels. Heck there's even a scene just directly before What if-10 Goku exactly was where it's implied that he might have been already in the God Level or at least much more massively stronger than what's implied in here with a scene during the G.O.D Battle Royale.
Technically even manga goku was always as strong as his anime and movie counterpart. There is the one panel of him showing God and even if u dont want to take it as meaning anything, Vegeta trained to goku's level anyways so it's likely the same in the manga as it was in the DBZ ROF and the Super anime ROF
@@baked7423 Disagree. He's actually weaker than his anime counterpart. Trunks stated that both goku and vegeta in the manga reached the peak of their power and cannot abuse zenkais to gain any more boosts, where black using goku's body could abuse zenkais to continue further growing. This contradicts the anime DBS where no such statement is given or even GT where its scaling chain is absolutely broken
@@lapplandkun9273Well he's inherently weaker than his anime counterpart due to feats, I just meant he likely absorbed god too or at least got to that level anyways thru training. I don't get what ur trying to say with the Zenkai part though. That was already introduced in Z when Gohan tried to get a zenkai against buutenks. Yet we know that didn't matter as he got stronger later on during the TOP. Daizenshuu even mentions how they became smaller over time it's nothing new. It's just goku and vegeta have finally hit their zenkai quota. All that means is they can't expect linear growth anymore and have to tackle different avenues to get stronger. The concept of their physical limits is talked about in Super Hero yet they still train their base forms in the movie. Basically they can't expect explosive jumps anymore unless they do something special so it's more they are plateauing rather than can't get stronger anymore Also you're flat out wrong the anime has a similar statement. They don't specifically say Zenkai but Vegeta also talks about how they hit their physical limits and then contradicts himself later. The future trunks saga literally has a line where Vegeta goes "we Saiyans have no limits!" too. This is expanded upon during the TOP where goku is described to have to broken through his shell to reach new heights. Vegeta is also given the same description later on when he obtains SSBE, which both that and UI are labeled as "limit-breaking powers" Which is why TOP and after their paths are about mastering unique abilities and learning new techniques. Like vegeta said in SH, having better control of their power. As mentioned in the moro saga, goku is described by dende to have enormous amounts of energy, which he had no trouble healing the others compared to Goku. Vegeta also gets more powerful with learning spirit control as we saw when he fired a massive blast with one finger, it wasn't just forced spirit fission he learned. Them hitting their physical limits is just a premise to why they are undergoing special training to get stronger. It was also to contrast between them and Goku black and explain why he was much stronger (because he's basically a new entity despite being goku's body).
@@baked7423 Keep in mind I was talking about his Base here when I wrote that which is the main argument as to why many people think Manga Goku is low compared to his Anime and even Movie counterparts.
Bro can you imagine how strong a super saiyan blue 4 would be? He can probably turn into an Ultra instinct super saiyan 4. Also the Gt Goku vs Golden gt Frieza just got even worse because Frieza has a black form and Cell has a black form with super saiyan 4 goku absorbed that is literally the end of all 12 universes 💀
we need to see a What if Video of Frieza from What If 13 traveling to a different timelines similar to Goku Black where he eradicates all the saiyans of the multiverse. Then later on has to get stopped by all the gods of destructions
I doubt a "Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan 4" could even exist in the way you'd imagine, UI as a Saiyan transformation likely wouldn't be able to be stacked on top of anything, however he could probably use the technique of ultra instinct on top of SS4 or, SSB4 in the contrary however, Goku (Super/GT) likely would have complete mastery over the silver haired ultra instinct form, and likely even have blue evolution, which he could stack with SS4, as well as the kaioken. A matchup between GT!5th form Black Frieza and a SS4!Black Cell against a (GT/Super) Goku would likely be a close matchup
Now, I know how you used the namekians to allow goku to gain ssj4. While keeping to how the standard way is very unique and very interesting way to do.
A fight between Goku (What-If 5) against Frieza (What-If 13) would be interesting. Super Saiyan 4 Blue Kaioken x20 vs Fifth Form Black Frieza But it would be complicated, there is no way for them to find each other.
@@ilikehero5027 i hear that, but looking at Great Ape Gohan Beast's Bio, he took in such a large amount of Blutz waves that come from an EXTERNAL source, in order to regrow his tail and transform. I count that as externally powered.
Man I would love to see the continuation of the What if with golden freiza after defeating goku confronts the Time Patrol gang! Can't wait for your next episode
@@FearfulDivine For one, Beast Gohan is placed *above* the incomplete Cell Max, as he should be. Also something about the placement of the different Golden Cells I think.
Hilariously pui pui straight up out scales all of the namic arc and most of the cell saga by making supreme kai think that they didn't have a change making him at least stronger than grade 4 Goku from the cell saga since supreme kai is equal to him
It does make me wonder if Hyourjutsu will ever bring forth a Vegito or Gogeta with UI and UE mixed together (if even possible due to contrasting mindsets) into this series. Probably not, but at least the possibility of it has been done in other fan media including CALLMEARJ's Ultra Vegito.
What If #9 and What If #5 are crazy like we got a broly who didnt even GO ALL OUT, even goku black stated he could go super saiyan 5 if he gained 1 more zenkai, now imagine if he got that and fought Baby Vegito Black, he could get Super Saiyan 6 but what-if #5 goku, NEVER went all out, considering GT is after Super, he should have super saiyan 5 blue and possibly ultra instinct super saiyan 5
Hey Hyourin I maybe have a potential what if thought about. Maybe you can use the idea. Let Omega Shenron survive unnoticed. Everbody assume the dragonballs are destroyed. He lost limbs but he still can move. He flies out in the universe and corrupts and absorb every dragonball possible. At the end he absorbs the super dragonballs. Maybe his name is then omega shenron prime
14:22 I always thought that his green aura inside the Kaioken, is him constantly healing the damage Kaioken does and growing stronger just like Black did against SSG Vegeta. Never would have guessed it's fervor of Tuffle followers.
if it was,not only would that be accurate(considering fusions normally have more advanced versions of the abilities each of their fuses has,like for example automatic healing.)but it would also definitely have helped him a lot…he could have pushed himself to a times 40 or even a 50 to temporarily outdo Beerus,and then simply heal himself as he escapes(if not simply auto-heal in the middle of the kaiokens usage)..although,Whis is the main issue since he can just undo what happens through healing beerus,or reversing time,and only way to get rid of him is for beerus to die..and even a times 50 might not be enough.
Although I am very fond of DB fan media, I also think it is kinda sad seeing this list filled with variations of the same two characters with a few exceptions
Either im having a mendela effect or it got removed due too a mistake because i remembered the ultra instinct -sign- goku that was at the end of what if 10, was shown in the top right under perfected super saiyan blue goku, despite this he never actually appeared in the rankings So, the best guess is that he was probably removed in this reupload, which is still an awesome video
Well yet again, thanks for the video. I do like the power rankings of these timelines. I am going to greatly enjoy what if 21 when it comes out. Also when will you do a full version of what if 17, because i would like to see where it goes. Keep it up signed Chukwu. :)
Didn't expect What If #17 to be part of the Tournament of Power Gogeta timeline. Curious to see if that storyline will ever continue, but I understand if it doesn't due to the lack of sprites.
yeah no, we are likely not getting s continuation simply due to the fact that well, The timeline literally gets eradicated due to Gogeta's mistakes in prior what ifs and Cumber's intervention
Hyorinjutsu are we gonna get cumber and broly fusion vs gogeta in his ssbe kaioken 20x transformation? Im guessing that gogeta will go ui or ue and kill the fusion
He likely won’t do it as it’s not necessary, but I would love to see Hyourinjutsu make a ranking list out of canon Dragon Ball media, just to see how he personally scales the whole cast across the story.
I’m surprised Beerus UI isn’t stronger than Baby Vegito Black, even with Kaioken x20. Beerus was making him look like a complete jobber during that whole what if, barring some dirty tactics. There were so many times where Beerus had Baby Vegito Black do the anime bugging out thing where they’re like “wh-what?!?!” 😂 I wonder too where Whis would rank on this list if he were included. Stronger than Branba?? And lastly Great Ape Beast Gohan… are we going to see SSJ4 Beast?? Did Hyourin keep that hidden for a surprise reveal??
idk maybe, it could simply because that Gohan's limit is Great Ape Beast and we don't get a Beast SS4, because hyourin has a distaste for SSB4, so maybe that'd carry over
Beerus didn't need to be stronger all he needed to do was simple pressure him enough until he burned himself out. vegito black relied too much on kaioken to get him out of trouble.
imagine the ssj4 goku absorbed golden cell also gaining access to god ki like in the what if where he fights gogeta blue. he can also technikly go black if he did the same amount of training as frieza and possibly gained the orange namekian form too
I think a theoretical absolute max power What-If #13 Cellza (Black Form x2 + 5th Form + SSJ4 Goku Absorbed + high Kaioken amps due to regen and insane durability) has a legitimate shot at going toe to toe with Branba
Bramba is cooked in a normal setting, the only way he'd be stronger is incase of the reality itself warping upon which logic ceases to exist, realistically a.... 5th form... SS4... Black Cellza would completely demolish A LSS3 Bramba, it's really not a matchup simply due to the ridiculous base powers of the individual and the fusion multiplier in Hyorin's scalling be beyond absurd.
I won’t lie, I’d be curious to see a video about Branba, just a fight where he bodies Goku and Vegeta and maybe have a Gogeta Vegito team up to try and stop him? Idk, that would be neat I think given they fought a lot in the what it’s, now they team up
SSJ Goku Black in the DBS Manga got so strong that he was able to fight SSB Vegeta. After Vegeta finished training, SSB Vegeta became stronger than SSR Goku Black. Therefore SSJ Vegeta after training became stronger than the SSB Vegeta from before. This means Base Vegeta after training is stronger than SS2 Vegeta before training. Goku in the zen exhibition match is as strong as this Vegeta.
We need Baby Vegeta with unlocked God Ki and Goku Black with Super Saiyan 4 Rose fused to finally beat Beerus. Maybe a alternate timeline where he mastered those 2 forms THEN challenged Beerus
For 1, fusion is hax. Multiplication is no joke For 2, Goku's potential was unleashed as well due to the fusion. And that shit got multiplied against Gohan So no need to use SSJ3. All that power is already available without the stamina consequences. Then you stack Kiaoken on top of that
@@toob_noob4381Yeah and that’s Gohkan if Goku and Gohan fused during the Buu Saga that’s why he not higher on the list imagine if Gohan and Goku fused like in the TOP. Him maintaining the power of super sayian blue without transforming plus he can stack Kaioken that is broken as hell
![[What-if MOVIE] Vegeta vs Xicor (Super Saiyan 4 vs Ultimate Form) Dragon Ball AF](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/E13hHIKgbWg/mqdefault.jpg)
![[What-If 19 MOVIE] God of Destruction Beerus VS Baby Vegito Black (Goku Black / Baby Vegeta Fusion).](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SCfh3lzlAWw/mqdefault.jpg)
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Hopefully you fixed beast gohan being weaker than cell max💀💀 youre all good tho homie
2:09 Didn't Shin get worried when he fought Pui Pui ??
Okat yeah I still dont get how goku black saga vegito is stronger than god gogeta with kaioken in the t.o.p? And ssj4 gogeta shouldnt be stronger than an incredibly crazy super saiyan 4 blue goku. Its your thing so i dont care too much on placement but im just saying they are way too high dude, unless you could explain it please?
@@DaYapGuy To be fair, Shin was constantly underestimating the cast's power lel. He was totally flabbergasted at how casually Vegeta destroyed Pui Pui, and I believe underestimated how much energy Babidi would get off of Gohan.
@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970exactly
I love how the fusions are just straight up broken
@@LostRustedknight it's multiplication of the two fusees. Half of them with kiaoken
Hax
Compared to transformations where you can have a quantifiable multiplier fusion is like squaring a power, granted thats hyperbole on my part
The fact vegito base was not even threatened by buuhan speaks volumes
Lmao
@@aokyoutsuki7744 That was just in the anime
Makes it even more impressive that Gohan makes it to the top 10 strongest fighters
So since it’s confirmed that What-If 13 Frieza had a Black Form, I wonder how high it would put him on this list after 30 years of training…
That plus his 5th form would equal total annihilation
Probably 4-7.
5th form GT Frieza probably would be the strongest non fused character beyond Limit Breaker Jiren, Goku (Super/GT) and UI Beerus
Considering GT Golden Frieza with 5th form was only rank 32, his Black form would probably put him at top 20, with 5th form+Black I'd say hes top 10, maybe even top 5 but I really don't see him being beyond Limitbreaker Vegito, SSBE+Kaiokenx20 Gogeta, or UI Beerus, and hes obviously not touching Branba whatsoever lmao, that guy is undisputed #1 in the verse.
@@rusty2812 I'd say maybe UI Beerus level to be honest, purely because of the fact that, this black form itself (not taking into GT!Frieza's base power increase over Super!Frieza!) would likely be even stronger than the one used by DBS Frieza, with so much more time to perfect the form, let alone combine it with the 5th form and master even that.
154. Giru 1:54
153. Bobbidi/Babidi 2:00
152. Pui Pui 2:04
151. Goku 2:10
150. Goku (Kaioken x5?) 2:15
149. Bardock-Ginyu 2:20
148. Goku (Kaioken x10): 2:24
147. Bardock Ginyu (SSJ Power): 2:28
146. Goku (Kaioken x20): 2:34
145. Vegeta: 2:40
144. Goku (Kaioken x30): 2:45
143. Goku (Kaioken x40): 2:50
142. Goku (x50): 2:54
141. Captain Ginyu (Bardock SSJ): 3:00
140. Yakon 3:06
139. Freeza: 3:10
138. Vegeta (SSJ): 3:15
137. Freeza (Full Power): 3:21
136. Goku Black: 3:26
135. Vegeta: 3:30
134. Future Gohan (SSJ): 3:36
133. DBS Goku: 3:41
132. Goku: 3:45
131. Vegeta: 3:50
130. Majin Piccolo: 3:55
129. Goku Black (SSJ): 4:00
128. Future Gohan (SSJ2): 4:05
127. Dabra/Dabura: 4:10
126. Vegeta (SSJ): 4:15
125. DBS Goku (SSJ): 4:20
124. Goku Black (Zenkai Boost): 4:25
123. Broli/Broly (LSSJ): 4:31
122. Broli/Broly (LSSJ): 4:35
121. Goku Black: 4:40
120. Future Gohan (SSJ3): 4:46
119. Teen Gohan (SSJ3): 4:50
118. Goku GT (Base): 4:55
117. Goku (SSJ3): 5:00
116. Super Buu (Good Buu Absorbed: 5:05
115. Gohan (Ultimate): 5:09
114. Gohan (Ultimate): 5:15
113. Goku Black (SSJ): 5:20
112. Broli/Broly (LSSJ3): 5:25
111. Broli/Broly (LSSJ3): 5:30
110. Goku Black: 5:35
109. Goku Black: 5:41
108. Super Buu (Gotenks + Piccolo + Good Buu Absorbed): 5:45
107. Gohan (Ultimate): 5:50
106. Goku Black (SSJ): 5:54
105. DBS Goku (SSJ2): 5:59
104. Cell: 6:05
103. GT Goku (Goku Time): 6:10
102. Goku (SSJ Power): 6:15
101. DBS Goku (SSJ3): 6:20
100. Goku (SSJ): 6:25
99. GT Goku (SSJ): 6:30
98. Goku Black (SSJ2, hypocrite): 6:35
97. Goku Black (Super Kaioken x10): 6:41
96. Goku Z (SSJ4 + Shenron Power-Up): 6:45
95. Baby Vegeta (Tuffleized Super Saiyan + Energy Absorbed From Tuffles): 6:50
94. Goku (SSJ2): 6:55
93. GT Goku (SSJ2): 7:00
92. Baby Vegeta (Strongest Form 1 + Energy Absorbed From Tuffles): 7:05
91. Vegeta (SSJ3): 7:10
90. Freeza (Final Form + Post Training): 7:16
89. Goku (SSJ3): 7:20
88. Broli (Legendary "Golden" Oozaru/Great Ape): 7:25
87. Goku Black (SSJ4): 7:29
86. Vegeta (SSG): 7:35
85. Goku Black (SSR): 7:39
84. GT Goku (SSJ3): 7:44
83. Baby Vegeta (Strongest Form 2 + Energy Absorbed From Tuffles): 7:49
82. Vegeta (SSGE): 7:54
81. DBS Goku (SSG): 8:00
80. Vegeta (SSGE/SSBE): 8:05
79. Gohan (Ultimate): 8:10
78. Goku (SSB): 8:15
77. Gamma 1 & 2: 8:20
76. Goku Black (SSG): 8:25
75. Gokhan: 8:29
74. Goku Black (SSJ4, Kaioken x10): 8:34
73. Super 17 (Ki-Blasts Absorbed): 8:40
72. Goku (SSJ4): 8:44
71. Goku (SSB): 8:50
70. Baby (Energy Siphoned From Fusion + Energy Absorbed From Tuffles): 8:55
69. Vegeta (SSB): 9:00
68. Goku Black (SSR): 9:04
67. Goku (SSJ4, post-zenkai boost): 9:09
66. GT Goku (SSJ4): 9:15
65. DBS Goku (SSB): 9:20
64. Goku Black (SSR): 9:25
63. Vegito Black (Base Vegeta): 9:29
62. Goku (SSJ4, Kaioken x10): 9:35
61. Goku (SSB, Kaioken x10): 9:39
60. Gokhan (Kaioken x10): 9:45
59. Cell (Golden): 9:50
58. DBS Goku (Perfected/Completed SSB): 9:55
57. Goku (SSB Kaioken x20): 10:00
56. Vegeta (SSBE): 10:05
55. Goku (SSJ4, Kaioken x20): 10:10
54. Goku (SSB Kaioken x20): 10:15
53. Vegeta (SSBE): 10:20
52. Vegito: Xeno: 10:25
51. Goku Black (SSR, Kaioken x10): 10:30
50. Vegeta (UE Sign/Omen): 10:35
49. Orange Piccolo: 10:40
48. Jiren: 10:45
47. Goku (UI Omen/Sign): 10:50
46. Broli/Broly (SSJ): 10:55
45. Gogeta (Saiyan Beyond God): 11:00
44. Vegito: Xeno (Wrathful/Ikari): 11:05
43. Freeza (Golden): 11:10
42. Cell (Golden, godly ki): 11:15
41. Super GT Goku (SSB): 11:20
40. Cell Max (Incomplete): 11:25
39. Gogeta (SSG): 11:30
38. Cell (Golden): 11:35
37. Jiren (Full Power): 11:40
36. Gohan (Beast): 11:45
35. Broli/Broly (SSJFP/LSSJ): 11:50
34. Vegeta (UE): 11:55
33. Broli/Broly (SSJ4): 12:00
32. Freeza (Golden + 5th form): 12:05
31. Gogeta (SSG, Kaioken x10): 12:10
30. Cell (Golden, SSJ4 Goku Absorbed): 12:15
29. Broli/Broly (SSJ4, Zenkai Boost): 12:20
28. Goku (Completed/Mastered UI): 12:25
27. Vegeta (UE Battle Power Rising): 12:30
26. Goku (True UI, Genki-Dama/Spirit Bomb Absorbed): 12:35
25. Gogeta (SSB): 12:40
24. Cumber (SSJ3 Full Power): 12:45
23. Baby Vegito Black (SSR + Strongest Form 2): 12:50
22. Baby Vegito Black (SSR + Strongest Form 2): 12:55
21. Beerus (Base): 13:00
20. Beerus (Base): 13:05
19. Super GT Goku (SSB4): 13:10
18. Jiren (Super Full Power): 13:15
17. Gogeta (SSJ4): 13:20
16. Vegito (SSB): 13:25
15. Gogeta (SSB): 13:30
14. Vegito: Xeno (SSJ4): 13:35
13. Cell Max (Complete): 13:40
12. Gogeta (SSB): 13:45
11. Cell Max (Orange Piccolo absorbed): 13:50
10. Gohan (Beast Oozaru/Great Ape): 13:55
9. Vegito (SSB, Kaioken x10): 14:00
8. Gogeta (SSBE): 14:05
7. Vegito: Xeno (SFPSJ4): 14:10
6. Beerus (UI Omen/Sign): 14:15
5. Baby Vegito Black (SSR + Strongest Form 2, Kaioken x20): 14:20
4. Gogeta (SSBE, Kaioken x20): 14:25
3. Gogeta (SSBE, Kaioken x20): 14:30
2. Vegito: Xeno (SFPSJ4 Limit Breaker): 14:35
1. Bromber/Branba (FPSSJ/SSJ3 Full Power): 14:40
You are a legend my friend 💪💪💪💪
I didn't get to comment this last time, but you know the powerscaling for this multiverse is crazy when you have a version of GT Goku who was able to combine ssj4 and ssj blue and he still isn't even in the top 10 strongest
Fusion is hax. We all know that
Top 10 had like eight fusions.
And we never even saw that one in action, I'd love to see how strong Hyourin would make him look in an actual fight.
"he spreads his ki inside of buu's body" 🧐
@@xthinkfastcool
@@ShadowKnux372 Considering the additions to Super after the release of What if 5, it's basically confirmed that Blue 4 isn't even close to his max. He must have mastered UI at that point.
As I said in the original video, I am very much looking forward to seeing mods made of these original forms and characters, and to creating what-if scenarios as well!
It would be *very* funny if Goku Black's storyline included Future Gohan as a character to battle.
Nice
Reuploading so people don’t get spoiled for What If #21 is smart.
But it still has the spoilers in it tho
@@skiburc2252Yeah but at least its warned for people who want to watch it in the thumbnail
@@rusty2812 Shoulda done that yesterday he ain't slick on that one
Aint see that loud n clear till hrs ago
@@oathkeeperkingdom4909 hindsight is 20/20
@@TheAscendedOverAchieverbut looking back it’s still a bit fuzzy
Changes in ranking:
What if 10 Perfected Super Saiyan Blue Goku: 55 → 58
What if 15 Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x20 Goku: 58 → 57
What if 15 Super Saiyan Blue Evolution Vegeta: 57 → 56
What if 13 Super Saiyan 4 Kaioken x20 GT Goku: 56 → 55
What if 21 Incomplete Cell Max: 26 → 40
What if 12 Super Saiyan God Gogeta: 40 → 39
What if 5 Golden Cell: 39 → 38
What if 12 Full Power Jiren: 30 → 37
What if 17 Legendary Super Saiyan Broly (Super): 32 → 35
What if 18 Ultra Ego Vegeta: 38 → 34
What if 9 Broly Legendary Super Saiyan 4, Battle Power Rising I: 37 → 33
What if 13 Golden 5th Form Frieza: 35 → 32
What if 12 Super Saiyan God Kaioken x10 Gogeta: 34 → 31
What if 13 Golden Cell Super Saiyan 4 Goku Absorbed: 33 → 30
What if 9 Broly Legendary Super Saiyan 4, Battle Power Rising II: 31 → 29
What if 18 Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku: 29 → 28
What if 18 Ultra Ego Vegeta, Battle Power Rising: 28 → 27
What if 18 True Ultra Instinct Goku (Spirit Bomb Absorbed): 27 → 26
Bonus:
What if 10 Super Saiyan 2 Goku: 105 → 106
What if 9 Super Saiyan Goku Black: 106 → 105
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Thank you
Cool
nice one
Time to give it a rewatch and see if I can pin down some of the exact changes!
I'm glad that SSJ4 Blue Goku still manages to be one of the higher-tier characters in this. Even though his animation doesn't have him in action, I really like the look of the form, and I'm just a SSJ4 fan anyway, so it also makes me happy that Xeno Vegito is also one of the tip-top levels. (Of course, as this ranking shows, fusions in general are crazy OP.)
Almost everything about that GT Goku vs. Golden Frieza timeline continues to be depressing, even in just entries for the characters. It was an excellently-done animation, though admittedly one of my least favorites just because of not being a big fan of villain victories, and how one-sided it was with the hindsight stuff like this provides. Have to wonder where Black Frieza (GT) would wind up on the scale if he was in there. Same with the mysterious possible SSJ5 Broly that was hinted at.
Like I said last time, great work on this stuff, Hyourin. Excellent sprites, trivia blurbs for every entry that detail extra lore and info in a lot of 'em, it really shows off your creativity and passion. Looking forward to everything else you cook up in the future! (Imagine how much more we'll end up seeing on a third power ranking video a few years down the line, you just know Hyourin's got some more crazy stuff in mind!)
@@ShadowKnux372 GT Goku didn't stand a chance.
He was fucked the moment he entered that fight
@@toob_noob4381 Yeah, that's what makes it even more depressing in hindsight, that he was just being toyed with the entire time. Goku vs. Bardock!Ginyu was similar in that regard.
Great fights, just sad that the heroes had no chance in those timelines and evil wins in the end.
That ssj4 goku vs golden frieza timeline is very depressing. I guess nobody can defeat frieza in that timeline.
@@ShadowKnux372 in hindsight, what if 16 wasn't anywhere near as dark as what if 13 or 17, as 16 is only a dark ending due to poor timing, had Goku have been slightly quicker, he'd be able to eat the senzu and gain the astronomical boost in power from the zenkai he'd have gotten, and if you so choose to believe that his last due power spike before his death was him going super saiyan and not kaioken x50, it would be clear that Ginyu, neither frieza would've been any sort of threat.
@@RacketEPIC Yeah, that one's a little less depressing because there was a short moment where it seemed like there was still a chance, it wasn't quite as monumentally one-sided as the Frieza one, though in the end it still ended poorly. So yeah, overall GT Frieza is still the worst timeline we've seen thus far.
We're getting 3 NEW FORMS in the next What If Battle?!?!?!
Thanks for the reupload! I was going to watch this later when I saw the original upload earlier. Then I saw that it was taken down. Im going to finish it right now lol. Also, can't wait for the upcoming what-if! And of course, take all the time you need. You are truly appreciated.
All of these characters in the highest ranks with transformations then “Beerus (Base).” Beerus is actually him
And we haven't even seen him at his full power. I hope he has a buff transformation, not too buff, just buff, like Goku and Vegeta.
and Jiren too
And even better; he beat the guy that was above him. Maybe he could even match Gogeta (SSBE + KKx20) and win the same way he beat Baby Vegito Black (KKx20)!
12:06 Oh my God, he has the Black form
We know, this what if episode of Golden Frieza VS SSJ4 Goku was made before Black Frieza was revealed
@@jiren_gamer5890 Yes but even then it was established he had a level beyond and now it's black form
Way to further cement just how cooked GT Goku was in that fight against him.
When mods come out I WILL be making these stories in sparking zero
That's genius! I will be looking forward to it.
W I will most definitely play it 💯‼️
there might be a little problem... you lack both the map and characters to do that what if.
@@tobias8351 It doesn't have to be identical
Do it bro
Really happy with the top 10 rankings love seeing those few who are strong enough to be ranked up there with fusions
Commenting again from the last upload:
So basically the Gogeta Timeline is screwed no matter what, because even if Cumber didn't show up (and Branba wasn't crazy OP), the timeline itself was already slowly falling apart due to all the time distortions throwing it out of reality. Cumber showing up and fusing was really just the nail in the coffin.
It's quite telling that in the bottom right timeline, there's NOTHING listed after this event, not even stuff like end of Z or Super Hero (Like how End of Z is listed next for What-if 21). This timeline ENDS here, *full stop.*
I'm still wondering. How come the fusion doesn't defuse immediately due to the superabundance of their power.
@Hayne141 the timeline was falling apart and logic was thrown out the window in it so that's probably a factor
@@Hayne141 It's explained in the Broly & Cumber parts (11:51 and 12:47), and their fusion at the end of the video.
The abuse of the Gogeta fusion has generated out of control feedback loops of intensity ("distortions in time"), paving the way for Cumber to step in their Universe, and the ultimate conclusion is their own (self-)destruction. Their reality has reached the point where all systems of logic as you know them come to an end. This is why, as noted, "Cumber could create Potara Earrings out of thin air" - and by deduction - their Branba fusion could presumably remain as long as they want despite the overwhelming power output.
Anyway, it's all nonsense. Don't try to make sense of this (likewise, you can't make sense of DB Heroes either). It's supposed to be fun.
@@Hayne141 The same way Cumber could manifest Potara earrings: Logic went out to lunch as reality fell apart
To be fair, nothing is in Super GT Goku's timeline either, so it could be that something happened in Bromber's timeline that we just don't know about. Either way, Goku and Vegeta are in for a bad time.
I knew those golden cell placements were a mistake, but I got told I was wrong and deleted my comment... Still a great video either way, I love watching your what if series.
What were the originally??
It was Golden Cell with God ki and zenkai at 42, while Golden Cell without was 39 I believe.
@@TopNotchOtter did he mix up the cells??
@@TopNotchOtter Now Golden Cell in WI5 is rank 38 and Golden Cell (God Ki + Zenkai) in WI6 is rank 42
I actually think the Golden Cell placements make sense. What If 6 Cell trained until the Goku Black Arc, but What If 5 Cell trained until GT, which is a much larger timeframe. Even without Godly Ki, 5’s Cell should be far stronger than 6’s just from training alone.
Hopefully someone hasn't already made a (joke-filled and semi-redundant) list (What if 21 spoilers partially blocked off):
154. Giru 1:54
153. Bobbidi/Babidi 2:00
152. Pui Pui 2:04
151. What if 16 Goku 2:10
150. What if 16 Goku (Kaioken x5?) 2:15
149. Bardock-Ginyu 2:20
148. What if 16 Goku (Kaioken x10): 2:24
147. Bardock Ginyu (SSJ Power): 2:28
146. What if 16 Goku (Kaioken x20): 2:34
145. What if 4 Vegeta: 2:40
144. What if 16 Goku (Kaioken x30): 2:45
143. What if 16 Goku (Kaioken x40): 2:50
142. What if 16 Goku (x50): 2:54
141. Bardock-Ginyu (SSJ): 3:00
140. Yakon 3:06
139. What if 4 Freeza: 3:10
138. What if 4 Vegeta (SSJ): 3:15
137. What if 4 Freeza (Full Power): 3:21
136. What if 7 Goku Black: 3:26
135. What if 14 Vegeta: 3:30
134. Future Gohan (SSJ): 3:36
133. What if 10 DBS Goku: 3:41
132. What if 12 Goku: 3:45
131. What if 12 Vegeta: 3:50
130. Majin Piccolo: 3:55
129. What if 7 Goku Black (SSJ): 4:00
128. Future Gohan (SSJ2): 4:05
127. Dabra/Dabura: 4:10
126. What if 14 Vegeta (SSJ): 4:15
125. What if 10 DBS Goku (SSJ): 4:20
124. What if 7 Goku Black (Zenkai Boost/Like in Canon but Actually Well Explained): 4:25
123. What if 1 Broli/Broly (LSSJ): 4:31
122. What if 9 Broli/Broly (LSSJ): 4:35
121. What if 14 Goku Black: 4:40
120. Future Gohan (SSJ3): 4:46
119. Young Gohan (SSJ3): 4:50
118. What if 13 Goku (Above """"""Boo""""""): 4:55
117. What if 11 Goku (SSJ3): 5:00
116. Super Boo/Evil Boo: 5:05
115. What if 2 Gohan (Ultimate): 5:09
114. What if 11 Gohan (Ultimate): 5:15
113. What if 14 Goku Black (SSJ): 5:20
112. What if 1 Broli/Broly (LSSJ3): 5:25
111. What if 9 Broli/Broly (LSSJ3): 5:30
110. What if 9 Goku Black: 5:35
109. What if 19 Goku Black: 5:41
108. Gotenks Boo: 5:45
107. What if 6 Gohan (Ultimate): 5:50
106. What if 9 Goku Black (SSJ): 5:54
105. What if 10 DBS Goku (SSJ2): 5:59
104. What if 6 Cell: 6:05
103. What if 10 GT Goku (Goku Time): 6:10
102. What if 13 Goku (SSJ Power): 6:15
101. What if 10 DBS Goku (SSJ3): 6:20
100. What if 13 Goku (SSJ): 6:25
99. What if 10 GT Goku (SSJ): 6:30
98. What if 9 Goku Black (SSJ2, hypocrite): 6:35
97. What if 14 Goku Black (Super Kaioken x10): 6:41
96. What if 3 Goku (Orange SSJ4): 6:45
95. Vegeta Baby (SSJ, but I don't think any of the writers acknowledge that): 6:50
94. What if 13 Goku (SSJ2): 6:55
93. What if 10 GT Goku (SSJ2): 7:00
92. Super Baby 1: 7:05
91. Vegeta (SSJ3, Goku Time victim): 7:10
90. What if 13 Freeza (Did 2 pushups): 7:16
89. What if 13 Goku (SSJ3): 7:20
88. What if 9 Broli (Legendary "Golden" Oozaru/Great Ape): 7:25
87. What if 14 Goku Black (SSJ4): 7:29
86. What if 14 Vegeta (SSG): 7:35
85. What if 7 Goku Black (SSR): 7:39
84. What if 10 GT Goku (SSJ3): 7:44
83. Super Baby 2: 7:49
82. What if 14 Vegeta (SSGE): 7:54
81. What if 10 DBS Goku (SSG): 8:00
80. What if 14 Vegeta (SSGE/SSBE): 8:05
78. What if 1 Goku (SSB): 8:15
76. What if 9 Goku Black (SSG): 8:25
75. Gokuhan: 8:29
74. What if 14 Goku Black (SSJ4, Kaioken x10): 8:34
73. HA HA HA NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN I'M SUPER 17: 8:40
72. What if 13 Goku (SSJ4): 8:44
71. What if 6 Goku (SSB): 8:50
70. Adult Baby (Somehow has less screentime in this form than in canon): 8:55
69. What if 6 Funni numbergeta (SSB): 9:00
68. What if 14 Goku Black (SSR): 9:04
67. What if 13 Goku (SSJ4, post-zenkai boost): 9:09
66. What if 10 GT Goku (SSJ4): 9:15
65. What if 10 DBS Goku (SSB, character regressed): 9:20
64. What if 9 Goku Black (SSR): 9:25
63. "Vegetto" Black (Literal half-vegetable): 9:29
62. What if 13 Goku (SSJ4, Kaioken x10): 9:35
61. What if 6 Goku (SSB, Kaioken x10): 9:39
60. Gokuhan (Kaioken x10): 9:45
59. What if 6 Cell (Golden): 9:50
58. What if 10 DBS Goku (Perfected/Completed SSB): 9:55
57. What if 15 Goku (SSB Kaioken x20): 10:00
56. What if 15 Vegeta (SSBE): 10:05
55. What if 13 Goku (SSJ4, Kaioken x20, not Goku Time): 10:10
54. What if 17 Goku (SSB Kaioken x20): 10:15
53. What if 17 Vegeta (SSBE): 10:20
52. Vegetto: Xeno: 10:25
51. What if 9 Goku Black (SSR, Kaioken x10): 10:30
50. What if 18 Vegeta (UE Sign/Omen): 10:35
48. 2nd blandest DB villain/Jiren: 10:45
47. What if 18 Goku (UI Omen/Sign): 10:50
45. What if 15 Gogeta (Saiyan Beyond God): 11:00
44. Vegetto: Xeno (Wrathful/Ikari): 11:05
43. What if 13 Freeza (Golden, did some pushups and situps): 11:10
42. What if 6 Cell (Golden, godly ki): 11:15
41. Super GT Goku (SSB, Goku Time): 11:20
39. What if 12 Gogeta (SSG): 11:30
38. What if 5 Cell (Golden): 11:35
37. Jiren (Full Power): 11:40
35. What if 17 Broli/Broly (SSJFP/LSSJ): 11:50
34. What if 18 Vegeta (UE): 11:55
33. What if 9 Broli/Broly (SSJ4, Koyama wank): 12:00
32. What if 13 Freeza (Golden + 5th form, 10 pushups + 10 situps + juice): 12:05
31. What if 12 Gogeta (SSG, Kaioken x10): 12:10
30. What if 13 Cell (Golden, SSJ4 Goku absorbed): 12:15
29. What if 9 Broli/Broly (SSJ4, Zenkai boost): 12:20
28. What if 18 Goku (Completed/Mastered UI): 12:25
27. What if 18 Vegeta (UE, stopped jobbing/battle power rising): 12:30
26. What if 18 Goku (True UI, Genki-Dama/Spirit Bomb absorbed): 12:35
25. What if 6 Gogeta (SSB): 12:40
24. Cumber (SSJ3 Full Power): 12:45
23. What if 9 Baby Vegetto Black (SSR + Strongest Form 2): 12:50
22. What if 19 Baby Vegetto Black (SSR + Strongest Form 2/Legendary Super Racist): 12:55
21. What if 19 Beerus: 13:00
20. What if 3 Beerus: 13:05
19. Super GT Goku (SSB4): 13:10
18. Jiren (Super Full Power): 13:15
17. What if 8 Gogeta (SSJ4): 13:20
16. What if 8 Vegetto (SSB): 13:25
15. What if 12 Gogeta (SSB): 13:30
14. Vegetto: Xeno (SSJ4): 13:35
12. What if 15 Gogeta (SSB): 13:45
9. What if 8 Vegetto (SSB, Kaioken x10): 14:00
8. What if 15 Gogeta (SSBE): 14:05
7. Vegetto: Xeno (SFPSJ4): 14:10
6. What if 19 Beerus (UI Omen/Sign, moving goalpost): 14:15
5. What if 19 Baby Vegetto Black (SSR + Strongest Form 2, Kaioken x20): 14:20
4. What if 12 Gogeta (SSBE, Kaioken x20): 14:25
3. What if 15 Gogeta (SSBE, Kaioken x20): 14:30
2. Vegetto: Xeno (SFPSJ4 Limit Breaker): 14:35
1. Bromber/Branba (FPSSJ/SSJ3 Full Power): 14:40
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79. What if 21 Gohan (Ultimate): 8:10
77. Gamma 1 & 2: 8:20
49. Orange Piccolo/Gigachad Piccolo: 10:40
46. What if 21 Broli/Broly (SSJ): 10:55
40. Cell Max (Incomplete): 11:25
36. What if 21 Gohan (Beast): 11:45
13. Cell Max (Complete/Only Hyourinjutsu could make this good): 13:40
11. Cell Max (Orange Piccolo absorbed): 13:50
10. What if 21 Gohan (Beast Oozaru/Great Ape): 13:55
Y'all don't understand how excited I was to see this video pop up on my feed. This isn't just your average powerscaling video, this is a juicy lore drop right here. I'm so excited to watch this and read every single word. Please keep making these, I loved the first one and I'm sure I'll love this one was well.
Ape in beast mode, that is awesome. Probably will be beast SSJ4 which would look similar to SSJ5
Let's hope this happens
So What-If 21 is either gonna end in a Kaiju Battle Between an Oozaru Beast Gohan with his mental reasoning intact against a (Presumably) “Giant” Orange Perfect Cell Max.. Or Hyourin is gonna go even crazier and we get an SS4/Beast Hybrid before we even see a proper SSBlue/4 hybrid in action lol.
Also I wonder if there’s gonna be a Follow up to the Branba What-If.. like is he gonna wipe Goku and Vegeta away and then try to challenge Whis?!
I feel like gogeta and xeno vegito would team up because it’s due to gogetas timeline moving off balance
Apparently What if 17 is *THE* end of the timeline, that's it, the timeline gets crumbled into nothingness, Goku, Vegeta, everyone dies
Gohan Beast and Orange Piccolo VS Perfect Cell Max is going to be awesome! 😎
Great video, but you're really underestimating my boys Yakon and Pui Pui over here. Even the Supreme Kai was afraid of Pui Pui and called him one of the strongest people in the universe, and that's the same Supreme Kai who said he could oneshot Namek Frieza.
For a follow up to What IF 17, I can only guess that Gogeta and Vegito Xeno will have to team up against Bramba, maybe even needing to fuse together into Gogito towards the end and then use the Super Dragon Balls to fix the collapsing reality, and this is me being generous.
There’s also the Piccolo Majin and Bleak Future Timelines to fix as well to boot, albeit on the former there’s a good chance that Goku and Gohan could stop Piccolo and his children’s while the former at least could maybe have Broly, either Z or Súper, get Berserk and transform enough to somehow keep up with Frieza, Cell and Super 17, or even that Beerus wakes up and actually fixes the whole mess as usual.
It's quite telling that the bottom right "Timeline Placement" shows there's NOTHING after What-if 17 (not even End of Z like it's shown for What-if 21). This timeline ENDS here.
@@SpectroliteDS Damn. I didn't notice that, good catch, guess that implies that the timeline is just, crumbled into nothingness.
@@SpectroliteDStbf, ssgss4 Goku in What-If #5 also didn’t have a timeline placement behind or in front. It could mean that the timeline ended, but it could also mean it is a mystery
13:20 Dont let the “Base Cabba > SSJ4 Gogeta” folks see this ranking lol
Its still funny, keep it.
WE NEED A 1 MINUTE ANIMATION ABOUT THIS BATTLE FOR APRIL FOOLS 2026
@@DARS_04 Honestly if it ends up being an April Fools fight the comments better end up being so toxic that scrolling through em feels like a comedy lol
Orange perfect cell vs Beast Oozaru is gonna be fight of the century
😂
13:55 Yeah, no surprise there. You did tease a variation of Great Ape in the upcoming What-if.
I am just 2 minutes in and hot damn, this is some of the most beautiful pixel-art I have ever seen! This makes me think what an awesome Dragon Ball beat-em up game would be like in this art style. Since this of course has a video game feel to it, intentionally so.
Damn GT Goku in What-If #13 stood no chance at all no matter what he did
I missed a week of content from every channel I'm subscribed to, this is the last video that was on the list, and it's the best ending to my day
Wow! Great video! Incredibly interesting that as it currently stands, Gohan is currently the strongest non-fused mortal in the What-If Multiverse. Really really interesting! I can't wait to see the next what-if animation!
Imagine if, by the same logic that allowed Z Broly to immediately control his Great Ape form and use 4, Gohan's experience with his anger allowed him to assume a mixture of 4 and Beast in the future.
I honestly think even the Frieza from GT with his Fifth and Black forms would be outmatched.
@@leirbag1595 yeah ssj4 beast gohan gonna be very powerfull
And Hyourin just added regular Gohan beast, not a powered up one... Who can bypasse MUI Goku auto dodge...
so 5th form black frieza post gt exists. thats a scary thought
So glad to see the powerscale vid again wit this beautiful music love it 🔥🔥
re-uploaded, alright, again I say, glad to finally have another power scaling video from this man with new additions, Xeno Vegito with Wrathful is my favorite so far.
Now that just comes confirms it, Beerus is real powerful, not only did he rank 6th strongest, keep in mind rank 9-1 are all fusions, if by chance beerus could do ‘Mastered UI’ that would probably shoot him up to either Rank two or even one, and dont even start with beerus fusing with someone.
Considering the original video got deleted and thus my comment as well, Let me just repeat and rephrase what I said there.
3:39. The interesting about the factoid here on Manga Goku about the "It's implied that his base power hasn't significantly" compared to his Anime or even OG Movie version who gained a massive boost due to absorbing the power of SSG in their SSJ form during the BOG Arc. Is that by the time of the Moro arc, This seemed no longer the case as Dende seemingly confirms when healing him while in base that Goku's Ki has reached God Levels.
Heck there's even a scene just directly before What if-10 Goku exactly was where it's implied that he might have been already in the God Level or at least much more massively stronger than what's implied in here with a scene during the G.O.D Battle Royale.
Technically even manga goku was always as strong as his anime and movie counterpart. There is the one panel of him showing God and even if u dont want to take it as meaning anything, Vegeta trained to goku's level anyways so it's likely the same in the manga as it was in the DBZ ROF and the Super anime ROF
@@baked7423 Disagree. He's actually weaker than his anime counterpart. Trunks stated that both goku and vegeta in the manga reached the peak of their power and cannot abuse zenkais to gain any more boosts, where black using goku's body could abuse zenkais to continue further growing.
This contradicts the anime DBS where no such statement is given or even GT where its scaling chain is absolutely broken
@@lapplandkun9273Well he's inherently weaker than his anime counterpart due to feats, I just meant he likely absorbed god too or at least got to that level anyways thru training. I don't get what ur trying to say with the Zenkai part though. That was already introduced in Z when Gohan tried to get a zenkai against buutenks. Yet we know that didn't matter as he got stronger later on during the TOP. Daizenshuu even mentions how they became smaller over time it's nothing new. It's just goku and vegeta have finally hit their zenkai quota. All that means is they can't expect linear growth anymore and have to tackle different avenues to get stronger. The concept of their physical limits is talked about in Super Hero yet they still train their base forms in the movie. Basically they can't expect explosive jumps anymore unless they do something special so it's more they are plateauing rather than can't get stronger anymore
Also you're flat out wrong the anime has a similar statement. They don't specifically say Zenkai but Vegeta also talks about how they hit their physical limits and then contradicts himself later. The future trunks saga literally has a line where Vegeta goes "we Saiyans have no limits!" too. This is expanded upon during the TOP where goku is described to have to broken through his shell to reach new heights. Vegeta is also given the same description later on when he obtains SSBE, which both that and UI are labeled as "limit-breaking powers"
Which is why TOP and after their paths are about mastering unique abilities and learning new techniques. Like vegeta said in SH, having better control of their power. As mentioned in the moro saga, goku is described by dende to have enormous amounts of energy, which he had no trouble healing the others compared to Goku. Vegeta also gets more powerful with learning spirit control as we saw when he fired a massive blast with one finger, it wasn't just forced spirit fission he learned. Them hitting their physical limits is just a premise to why they are undergoing special training to get stronger. It was also to contrast between them and Goku black and explain why he was much stronger (because he's basically a new entity despite being goku's body).
@@baked7423 Keep in mind I was talking about his Base here when I wrote that which is the main argument as to why many people think Manga Goku is low compared to his Anime and even Movie counterparts.
@@trentrider5985 ik i still have manga goku lower than his anime version cuz of feats and statements tho above Z BOG and ROF.
Hyourin after every slide for GT Goku against Frieza:Yeah, this closed the gap a bit, too bad it just didn't fuckin work long term.
So What-If 21 is in the works rn, nice subtle hinting. Looking forward to it
12:08 Retconning What if 13 so that GT Freiza also had the black transformation in his back pocket is fucking horrifying holy shit
Looking forward to Cell 'Max' VS Gohan 'Beast'
Bro can you imagine how strong a super saiyan blue 4 would be? He can probably turn into an Ultra instinct super saiyan 4. Also the Gt Goku vs Golden gt Frieza just got even worse because Frieza has a black form and Cell has a black form with super saiyan 4 goku absorbed that is literally the end of all 12 universes 💀
No angels still exists and still stronger
we need to see a What if Video of Frieza from What If 13 traveling to a different timelines similar to Goku Black where he eradicates all the saiyans of the multiverse. Then later on has to get stopped by all the gods of destructions
Even Cell too
I doubt a "Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan 4" could even exist in the way you'd imagine, UI as a Saiyan transformation likely wouldn't be able to be stacked on top of anything, however he could probably use the technique of ultra instinct on top of SS4 or, SSB4
in the contrary however, Goku (Super/GT) likely would have complete mastery over the silver haired ultra instinct form, and likely even have blue evolution, which he could stack with SS4, as well as the kaioken.
A matchup between GT!5th form Black Frieza and a SS4!Black Cell against a (GT/Super) Goku would likely be a close matchup
I love how the Vegito from What-If #8 is still in the Top 10, that fight with Gogeta was peak man.
glad to see that beast gohan is above incomplete cell max cause in the og vid (which cell max was above beast gohan) i was so confused 😭😭
Now, I know how you used the namekians to allow goku to gain ssj4. While keeping to how the standard way is very unique and very interesting way to do.
HOLY SHIT WHATS GOING ON IN WHAT IF 21?!
Really need to see Black Frieza 5th form vs SSJB4 Goku.
Now i'm eagerly waiting for someone to make a BT3 mod with all those characters 👀
A fight between Goku (What-If 5) against Frieza (What-If 13) would be interesting.
Super Saiyan 4 Blue Kaioken x20 vs Fifth Form Black Frieza
But it would be complicated, there is no way for them to find each other.
Since the Goku (What-If 5) went through all of Super and GT, I think he beats 5th Black form Frieza though with the use of Perfected Ultra instinct.
Since the Goku (What-If 5) went through all of Super and GT, I think he beats 5th Black form Frieza though with the use of Perfected Ultra instinct.
@@Rayzenith229This is a separate timeline than normal GT though.
I really dig the old school music of dragon ball z from SNES. Also thank you for doing your animations, really enjoyed your content.
As a Jiren fan/stan, I'm happy where he is, strongest non fused/externally powered/non god ki individual on the list
Its actually gohan
@@ilikehero5027 i hear that, but looking at Great Ape Gohan Beast's Bio, he took in such a large amount of Blutz waves that come from an EXTERNAL source, in order to regrow his tail and transform. I count that as externally powered.
@@TheWolfspider86 he prob just looked at a artificial moon that he created
Yay Gohan Beast is now above Cell Max Incomplete! I remember being like huh at the original
Man I would love to see the continuation of the What if with golden freiza after defeating goku confronts the Time Patrol gang! Can't wait for your next episode
Excellent upload as always
Gokhan with KKx10 literally surpassing SSJBKKx10 is bananas
Thanks For the reupload! Loved the og one
RIP Comments.
What Changed?
I did notice a couple of typos originally, so I'm guessing Hyourin did too.
I assume that there were tiny mistakes in the descriptions and characters.
According to the pinned comment, some facts and placements have been tweaked
@@SpectroliteDSHas anyone spot placement differences so far?
@@FearfulDivine For one, Beast Gohan is placed *above* the incomplete Cell Max, as he should be. Also something about the placement of the different Golden Cells I think.
Hilariously pui pui straight up out scales all of the namic arc and most of the cell saga by making supreme kai think that they didn't have a change making him at least stronger than grade 4 Goku from the cell saga since supreme kai is equal to him
It does make me wonder if Hyourjutsu will ever bring forth a Vegito or Gogeta with UI and UE mixed together (if even possible due to contrasting mindsets) into this series. Probably not, but at least the possibility of it has been done in other fan media including CALLMEARJ's Ultra Vegito.
The Gt retconning was unreal in these what ifs bro
I straight up took over 1.5 hours to read everything shown in the video, i truly can't imagine time it took to do everything.
Dude I just realized that Vegito while fighting Zamasu went like “Yeah I’m sensing strong energy good luck everyone!” And dipped
What If #9 and What If #5 are crazy like
we got a broly who didnt even GO ALL OUT, even goku black stated he could go super saiyan 5 if he gained 1 more zenkai, now imagine if he got that and fought Baby Vegito Black, he could get Super Saiyan 6
but what-if #5 goku, NEVER went all out, considering GT is after Super, he should have super saiyan 5 blue and possibly ultra instinct super saiyan 5
Hey Hyourin
I maybe have a potential what if thought about. Maybe you can use the idea.
Let Omega Shenron survive unnoticed.
Everbody assume the dragonballs are destroyed.
He lost limbs but he still can move.
He flies out in the universe and corrupts and absorb every dragonball possible.
At the end he absorbs the super dragonballs.
Maybe his name is then omega shenron prime
14:22 I always thought that his green aura inside the Kaioken, is him constantly healing the damage Kaioken does and growing stronger just like Black did against SSG Vegeta. Never would have guessed it's fervor of Tuffle followers.
if it was,not only would that be accurate(considering fusions normally have more advanced versions of the abilities each of their fuses has,like for example automatic healing.)but it would also definitely have helped him a lot…he could have pushed himself to a times 40 or even a 50 to temporarily outdo Beerus,and then simply heal himself as he escapes(if not simply auto-heal in the middle of the kaiokens usage)..although,Whis is the main issue since he can just undo what happens through healing beerus,or reversing time,and only way to get rid of him is for beerus to die..and even a times 50 might not be enough.
Although I am very fond of DB fan media, I also think it is kinda sad seeing this list filled with variations of the same two characters with a few exceptions
Either im having a mendela effect or it got removed due too a mistake because i remembered the ultra instinct -sign- goku that was at the end of what if 10, was shown in the top right under perfected super saiyan blue goku, despite this he never actually appeared in the rankings
So, the best guess is that he was probably removed in this reupload, which is still an awesome video
nice video again :3 i hope you can reupload or remake the old what if like the What-If 5 because its only dialogs that can be awesome
So basically Branba can defeat Doom guy, featherine and Rimuru togethers lol
Well yet again, thanks for the video. I do like the power rankings of these timelines. I am going to greatly enjoy what if 21 when it comes out. Also when will you do a full version of what if 17, because i would like to see where it goes. Keep it up signed Chukwu. :)
Didn't expect What If #17 to be part of the Tournament of Power Gogeta timeline.
Curious to see if that storyline will ever continue, but I understand if it doesn't due to the lack of sprites.
yeah no, we are likely not getting s continuation simply due to the fact that well,
The timeline literally gets eradicated due to Gogeta's mistakes in prior what ifs and Cumber's intervention
well.. new scaling goes hard fr
Beerus UI is the strongest non fusion character with great ape beast Gohan behind him dang
The music in the background got me jamming hard though.
Hyourin is cooking something real good based on the bio info for Gohan, Piccolo and Cell Max
Don’t really agree with a lot of your power scaling choices but it’s your creations so your rules. Epic ass video tho lol
Why aren't we giving this more views
Then the What If 21 will be the third darkest ending ever.
Oh that’s why
am so excited to see what if 21 thanks for the spoilers
Hyorinjutsu are we gonna get cumber and broly fusion vs gogeta in his ssbe kaioken 20x transformation? Im guessing that gogeta will go ui or ue and kill the fusion
He likely won’t do it as it’s not necessary, but I would love to see Hyourinjutsu make a ranking list out of canon Dragon Ball media, just to see how he personally scales the whole cast across the story.
I’m surprised Beerus UI isn’t stronger than Baby Vegito Black, even with Kaioken x20. Beerus was making him look like a complete jobber during that whole what if, barring some dirty tactics. There were so many times where Beerus had Baby Vegito Black do the anime bugging out thing where they’re like “wh-what?!?!” 😂
I wonder too where Whis would rank on this list if he were included. Stronger than Branba??
And lastly Great Ape Beast Gohan… are we going to see SSJ4 Beast?? Did Hyourin keep that hidden for a surprise reveal??
idk maybe, it could simply because that Gohan's limit is Great Ape Beast and we don't get a Beast SS4, because hyourin has a distaste for SSB4, so maybe that'd carry over
Beerus didn't need to be stronger all he needed to do was simple pressure him enough until he burned himself out. vegito black relied too much on kaioken to get him out of trouble.
Hoping for another animation with Gokhan, I need to see some transformations.
imagine the ssj4 goku absorbed golden cell also gaining access to god ki like in the what if where he fights gogeta blue. he can also technikly go black if he did the same amount of training as frieza and possibly gained the orange namekian form too
Thought we'd see SSJ5 Beast after seeing Great Ape Gohan
Another one! LESGOOOO!!
Can you please do a final form Frieza , perfect cell , Kid Buu vs ssj3 broly dbz pls
Nice
I think a theoretical absolute max power What-If #13 Cellza (Black Form x2 + 5th Form + SSJ4 Goku Absorbed + high Kaioken amps due to regen and insane durability) has a legitimate shot at going toe to toe with Branba
Bramba is cooked in a normal setting, the only way he'd be stronger is incase of the reality itself warping upon which logic ceases to exist, realistically a.... 5th form... SS4... Black Cellza would completely demolish A LSS3 Bramba, it's really not a matchup simply due to the ridiculous base powers of the individual and the fusion multiplier in Hyorin's scalling be beyond absurd.
I just wanna see Golden Freiza and Golden Cell get their shit wreck after the dark ending of What If 13
I can't wait to see What If 21 and seeing Orange Cell Max and Broly and Beast Oozaru Gohan. I genuinely cannot wait.
feel proud of yourself?
@@senji1652proud of what..?
spoiling i assume
I won’t lie, I’d be curious to see a video about Branba, just a fight where he bodies Goku and Vegeta and maybe have a Gogeta Vegito team up to try and stop him? Idk, that would be neat I think given they fought a lot in the what it’s, now they team up
Ultra vegito (with TUI and UE) vs SSJ4 limit breaker kaioken Gogeta would go crazy!!
Im excited for upcoming what-if #21
SSJ Goku Black in the DBS Manga got so strong that he was able to fight SSB Vegeta.
After Vegeta finished training, SSB Vegeta became stronger than SSR Goku Black. Therefore SSJ Vegeta after training became stronger than the SSB Vegeta from before.
This means Base Vegeta after training is stronger than SS2 Vegeta before training.
Goku in the zen exhibition match is as strong as this Vegeta.
This video would be so much better if what if #8 wasn't included in this video 😭
We need Baby Vegeta with unlocked God Ki and Goku Black with Super Saiyan 4 Rose fused to finally beat Beerus. Maybe a alternate timeline where he mastered those 2 forms THEN challenged Beerus
I can't wait to see the likes of Moro get included in this eventually.
lol how crazy that gokhan was stronger than black rose, goku blue and vegeta god evo :D
For 1, fusion is hax. Multiplication is no joke
For 2, Goku's potential was unleashed as well due to the fusion. And that shit got multiplied against Gohan
So no need to use SSJ3. All that power is already available without the stamina consequences.
Then you stack Kiaoken on top of that
@@toob_noob4381Yeah and that’s Gohkan if Goku and Gohan fused during the Buu Saga that’s why he not higher on the list imagine if Gohan and Goku fused like in the TOP.
Him maintaining the power of super sayian blue without transforming plus he can stack Kaioken that is broken as hell
1:32 And tormented Golden Frieza for an hour
1:44 Hit beat SSB Vegeta because Vegeta went through 3 battles without a break
That was in the manga, which established SSB stamina flaw. The anime shows that Vegeta simply didn't know or understand Hit's timeskip to counter it.
Wha?
@@benmadsen9836 Yeah, the stamina flaw isn't really a factor Vegeta lose to Hit in the anime.
Sigh I’m probably being as clueless as Goku