Your math for mines and farms doesn’t take into account the survivor multipliers. With gold survivors you get almost 3 times the benefit for upgrades. The payoff times are still not good, but you may want to consider that in future calculations.
x2 for professional skill tasks... x2 for FL buff... and in season 2 another x2 for heat buff... after season 2 more buffs in oil research tree... gunna start getting worth it
if you're an engineer and have the skill "rapid production and you stack it with secretary of interior, the math is pretty good because the skill gives you the equivalent amount of resources in 24 hours so the higher level the mines the more you get back. You get to use rapid production every 24 hours. I make close to almost 95 million gold in a week just using rapid production with secretary of interior. If you include the rss gathering boost with survivors and secretary of interior then well over 100 million gold and other resources a week and you get better cash flow
@@Lastwartipsandtricks Just as an example, using rapid production and secretary of interior, it would only take 29 days for the gold mine upgrade from 23 to 24 to pay for itself, using my actual measured numbers, and my survivors have lots of room for improvement, and I'm not in season 2 yet.
Early on they offered things like ponds, flamingos, benches & ginko trees, of course I bought them all...what do they do? Are they helpful? Now they're offering ginko tree 2, any reason to purchase??? On top of everything else they make my base look ugly/ messy. Should I keep them? I'm about 50plus days into the game and am unsure...PS really like your kids, HELPFUL!!! THANX ALOT
Those did not help. I made those mistakes early as well and then I punted decor for awhile because I felt burnt by them😂. Then, I realized decor is great if you get the right decor😂
Keep in mind the legendary miners and improving their stars will increase coin/iron/food output. Does it mathematically make sense? I doubt it but they do make a difference in time and output....
@@Lastwartipsandtricks you can also get the secretary of the interior buff upon collecting your iron gold and bread it gives you a 100% output increase
I got so many resources that I level my farm, gold, iron up just for VS points alone cause they don’t take as long as other buildings. I’m not really a spender, but I save stamina refills for Zombie Invasion every 2 weeks and farm around 200-300mil resources every 2 weeks from it. I got them all at 24 right now but still help me get all my VS milestones. Also in your math of how much resources you get from each, should take survivors into account. 3/5 of each of my resource buildings have full legendary survivors so it’s an extra 200%.
You use ICU just like hospitals to increase its capacity so you have more troops stored there for instant use during battles and frees up space in your training ground
@@tnpsegim no because the cost to upgrade is too much compared to 60 additional troops it saves. Training and speeding up 60 instantly is a lot cheaper.
Survivor multipliers, rapid production and secretary of interior yields me over 50mill combined rss every day! It has payed for itself to have them all up to 27. Im about to have enough speedups to make the jump from.27 to 30 and for sure i will upgrade my farms/mines up to 30. Best passive income
The builder's hut doesn't work that way. It doesn't increase the effect of free speedups by 20 minutes. A 5min speedup will boost your progress 5 minutes. The free speedup feature reduces the overall time of an upgrade by that amount. So, when you start a 12 day long building, it's now 11 days, 23 hours and 40 minutes. A waste of resources to upgrade the builder's hut.
Thanks for clarifying because the actual survivors in the hut do way more than the building itself. It’s really just another building used for VS points
For the mines you also missed the buffs from tech research, VIP and city capture which amplifies the real number. I worked out for one of my farms i can sustainably one per month and doesn't include collecting with sec role
@@AgentExhale after Special Forces are at 40% you get Siege to Seize Tech and Defensive Fortification Tech. S2S is where the 4th drill grounds are. DF is where the 4th hospital is.
I dont think the builders hut is very important , its only going to add what 20 more minutes in 10 levels from 20. My free speedup time is already 12 + hours thanks to help , survivors and the season 1 free speed up every build
@@Lastwartipsandtricksmaybe I’m not understanding correctly but I believe builders hut just reduces the build time. It doesn’t increase time for each alliance help you get (which would be amazing). I looked at my hut trainers and I have 5 hours and 46 minutes of free speed up time. I increased the builders hut from lvl 11 to 12 which moved the free time from 6 to 7 minutes and my total time to 5 hours 47 minutes. Unless I’m misunderstanding something that seems like a really bad return
Wow server 382 and you have a 37mil A squad already. That's a lot of money lol. I'm on server 216 and my A squad is 30.2 and I've been spending and grinding for a long while now. Our warlord Puffy Johnson has a 51mil A squad. I've inquired in terms of money spent to get there, and he's roughly 300k USD in already. Good videos, btw, tks.
Multiplying additional resource output by the maximum production time doesn’t make sense unless you plan to only collect resources once a day. Multiply the hourly increase by 24 to get the additional output for a day. Also you will have some tech that gives you a percentage increase in output and territory also gives various percentage increases in output. So your payback period is actually much less than half what you calculated. Though it is correct that you don’t get the other resources back that go into each upgrade and that diminishes the returns from upgrading.
@@oldmanlearningguitar446 I have tested this and I do not believe you to be true. Max production time is the max time it Will produce in 24 hours. I would love to be wrong. Please test it and show me that you get it for a full 24 hours.
@@Lastwartipsandtricksmax production time is for how long it will produce without collecting. This is for making sure you will log into the game at least twice a day. And yes, you have to calculate taking in consideration the amount per hour
@@Lastwartipsandtricks thanks for the fast reply, alright great will definitely keep an eye in ur videos. also would appreciate a list of which buildings to focus on if im still at level 20, because i see most people get to level 24 and have zero ressources to continue. I have ocd but 😂 😂 what im doing now is: wall, 1 drill ground, 1 hospital, 4 barracks, tech center, tank center, alliance center. What do u think
Dude I don’t want to be rude although it is upsetting listening to someone talking straight bs and doesn’t understand what he is talking about. I stopped at 2:09. Do me a favor delete that vid it’s super inaccurate. Your math is wrong. I’m almost maxed and my numbers are different because you are mining a 24 and I’m at max. Not to mention survivors and other buffs aren’t calculated Delete the vid. Good luck
@@yannibond5141 survivor buffs if you are lucky on a mine will increase a max of 3 times the production I have in the video. That is still way too long to wait for a return on your investment
@Lastwartipsandtricks sorry man bit so much ur not accounting for . When I get home from work I'll try to run all the numbers on everything and get back but I appreciate ur content
I like your way of thinking thanks
Glad it helps!
Your math for mines and farms doesn’t take into account the survivor multipliers. With gold survivors you get almost 3 times the benefit for upgrades. The payoff times are still not good, but you may want to consider that in future calculations.
@@ForrestGilman great info. Yeah I even at 3x it would not be a good investment
x2 for professional skill tasks... x2 for FL buff... and in season 2 another x2 for heat buff... after season 2 more buffs in oil research tree... gunna start getting worth it
if you're an engineer and have the skill "rapid production and you stack it with secretary of interior, the math is pretty good because the skill gives you the equivalent amount of resources in 24 hours so the higher level the mines the more you get back. You get to use rapid production every 24 hours. I make close to almost 95 million gold in a week just using rapid production with secretary of interior. If you include the rss gathering boost with survivors and secretary of interior then well over 100 million gold and other resources a week and you get better cash flow
@@Lastwartipsandtricks Just as an example, using rapid production and secretary of interior, it would only take 29 days for the gold mine upgrade from 23 to 24 to pay for itself, using my actual measured numbers, and my survivors have lots of room for improvement, and I'm not in season 2 yet.
a list of which level you would stop at would really help and thank you for this video
Thanks Joe your content is a huge help for me an my alliance #1012. We not even in season 1 so u know this is helping a whole lot much appreciated
Thank you!
Early on they offered things like ponds, flamingos, benches & ginko trees, of course I bought them all...what do they do? Are they helpful? Now they're offering ginko tree 2, any reason to purchase??? On top of everything else they make my base look ugly/ messy. Should I keep them? I'm about 50plus days into the game and am unsure...PS really like your kids, HELPFUL!!! THANX ALOT
Those did not help. I made those mistakes early as well and then I punted decor for awhile because I felt burnt by them😂. Then, I realized decor is great if you get the right decor😂
Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome!
Thank you. This video is very helpful.
You are very welcome.
Keep in mind the legendary miners and improving their stars will increase coin/iron/food output. Does it mathematically make sense? I doubt it but they do make a difference in time and output....
Yep. This is correct. They are luck of the draw thoufh
@@Lastwartipsandtricks you can also get the secretary of the interior buff upon collecting your iron gold and bread it gives you a 100% output increase
Any tips for preseason 1 / season “ tips from the future “ be cool if u had time for it
That is a planned video in the near future
Has that video been posted would really be helpful@@Lastwartipsandtricks
I got so many resources that I level my farm, gold, iron up just for VS points alone cause they don’t take as long as other buildings. I’m not really a spender, but I save stamina refills for Zombie Invasion every 2 weeks and farm around 200-300mil resources every 2 weeks from it. I got them all at 24 right now but still help me get all my VS milestones.
Also in your math of how much resources you get from each, should take survivors into account. 3/5 of each of my resource buildings have full legendary survivors so it’s an extra 200%.
@@Mushruums they are good for VS points. This video is about maximizing your power
The ICU doesn’t make sense, considering the incremental food and iron it saves. Builders hut too, saves only 2 min….
What do you mean? It does not make sense to upgrade ICU?
@@Az22490 iCU is wonderful.
You use ICU just like hospitals to increase its capacity so you have more troops stored there for instant use during battles and frees up space in your training ground
Builders hut doesnt make sense for me too. What is an hour of free speed up time, when most buildings take several days? Stopped it at lvl 21
@@tnpsegim no because the cost to upgrade is too much compared to 60 additional troops it saves. Training and speeding up 60 instantly is a lot cheaper.
95% of my food, iron and gold comes from chests, not from these buildings anyway.
100%
Great video. I only upgrade the farmin buildings for points in vs. But i am not lvl 30 yet 😅
Survivor multipliers, rapid production and secretary of interior yields me over 50mill combined rss every day! It has payed for itself to have them all up to 27. Im about to have enough speedups to make the jump from.27 to 30 and for sure i will upgrade my farms/mines up to 30. Best passive income
@@williamhorn4290 math is not on your side buddy but you do you
@Lastwartipsandtricks you do understand how rapid production works combined with the secretary of interior capitol buff right?
Hey can u do another video on what the most important to upgrade in tech lol like unit or special forces ect.. thanks 😇
@@superfray6657 yes I will
The builder's hut doesn't work that way. It doesn't increase the effect of free speedups by 20 minutes. A 5min speedup will boost your progress 5 minutes. The free speedup feature reduces the overall time of an upgrade by that amount. So, when you start a 12 day long building, it's now 11 days, 23 hours and 40 minutes. A waste of resources to upgrade the builder's hut.
@@wf.i.7260 good point. It is towards the bottom of the list but still way better than upgrading any mines
Thanks for clarifying because the actual survivors in the hut do way more than the building itself. It’s really just another building used for VS points
For the mines you also missed the buffs from tech research, VIP and city capture which amplifies the real number. I worked out for one of my farms i can sustainably one per month and doesn't include collecting with sec role
@@freethefib8357 but the increase from upgrading is only the number I put in the video
How did you get a 4th drill ground?
@@AgentExhale after Special Forces are at 40% you get Siege to Seize Tech and Defensive Fortification Tech. S2S is where the 4th drill grounds are. DF is where the 4th hospital is.
I dont think the builders hut is very important , its only going to add what 20 more minutes in 10 levels from 20. My free speedup time is already 12 + hours thanks to help , survivors and the season 1 free speed up every build
I agree
@@Techno4more consider VS. you need all the speed you can get to make sure you are winning every week
@@Lastwartipsandtricksmaybe I’m not understanding correctly but I believe builders hut just reduces the build time. It doesn’t increase time for each alliance help you get (which would be amazing). I looked at my hut trainers and I have 5 hours and 46 minutes of free speed up time. I increased the builders hut from lvl 11 to 12 which moved the free time from 6 to 7 minutes and my total time to 5 hours 47 minutes. Unless I’m misunderstanding something that seems like a really bad return
good tips, i’m abt to be hq29 and im borderline ftp. day 105
@@slayerツ amazing pace!
@ appreciate it man! been a grind for sure
You forgot to add tasks and radar and trucks, of you level up research that will increase RSS aswell
Your video doesn't play on my TV for some reason
@@Chackothewacko I’m sorry
After season 2 base level 35 is coming 😢 and i through 30 is alot
Wow server 382 and you have a 37mil A squad already. That's a lot of money lol. I'm on server 216 and my A squad is 30.2 and I've been spending and grinding for a long while now.
Our warlord Puffy Johnson has a 51mil A squad.
I've inquired in terms of money spent to get there, and he's roughly 300k USD in already.
Good videos, btw, tks.
He spent that much on the game??
we got gow he has 55m 3squads xD, ive got my self 29.88m squad spent like 20$ weekly only
@@SinceImRandom what server????
@@kubickisebastian2781 203
Hello my friend, I am from server 215 🌹
The tank missile and aircraft buildings only increase your march size by 4 per level per hero lol
@@Techno4more it had been too long. I could not remember. Thank you! 4 per hero is still amazing!
With Profession and buffs on Resources. Its easy ROI =D
Whats the last zombie wave level? Is it 132
@@rotmgdabeatz on Zombie Siege?
@@Lastwartipsandtricks yeah the ones that free up space for your base
Why you have four hospitals?
Tech tree gives you extra resources and barracks
Thanks a lot
Multiplying additional resource output by the maximum production time doesn’t make sense unless you plan to only collect resources once a day.
Multiply the hourly increase by 24 to get the additional output for a day.
Also you will have some tech that gives you a percentage increase in output and territory also gives various percentage increases in output.
So your payback period is actually much less than half what you calculated.
Though it is correct that you don’t get the other resources back that go into each upgrade and that diminishes the returns from upgrading.
@@oldmanlearningguitar446 I have tested this and I do not believe you to be true. Max production time is the max time it Will produce in 24 hours. I would love to be wrong. Please test it and show me that you get it for a full 24 hours.
@@Lastwartipsandtricksmax production time is for how long it will produce without collecting. This is for making sure you will log into the game at least twice a day. And yes, you have to calculate taking in consideration the amount per hour
@@Lastwartipsandtricks also to take into consideration the survivors and % they bring
@@rubyy. gotta a new video coming out breaking all this down for you all
@@Lastwartipsandtricks thanks for the fast reply, alright great will definitely keep an eye in ur videos. also would appreciate a list of which buildings to focus on if im still at level 20, because i see most people get to level 24 and have zero ressources to continue. I have ocd but 😂 😂 what im doing now is: wall, 1 drill ground, 1 hospital, 4 barracks, tech center, tank center, alliance center. What do u think
Dude I don’t want to be rude although it is upsetting listening to someone talking straight bs and doesn’t understand what he is talking about. I stopped at 2:09. Do me a favor delete that vid it’s super inaccurate. Your math is wrong. I’m almost maxed and my numbers are different because you are mining a 24 and I’m at max. Not to mention survivors and other buffs aren’t calculated Delete the vid. Good luck
@@yannibond5141 the math still doesn’t work. I understand not wanting to accept it was a mistake to upgrade them past 24. Do the math buddy.
@@yannibond5141 survivor buffs if you are lucky on a mine will increase a max of 3 times the production I have in the video. That is still way too long to wait for a return on your investment
This is completely wrong
@@markhighley6907 appreciate your opinion
@Lastwartipsandtricks sorry man bit so much ur not accounting for . When I get home from work I'll try to run all the numbers on everything and get back but I appreciate ur content
@@markhighley6907 please let me know. I’d be happy to help wrong
Last, me dar a skin do helicóptero de presente 😅😅
I did 25 mines already , time to stop then
@@devanshdesai8926 yes. I made the same mistake. That is why I made the video. To help others not make the mistake
Mines will be worth it eventually not top priority, but good to upgrade after other upgrades
@@landonfire4589 agreed. As a last upgrade