Mongols Overview AoE2
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1:27 Scout +2 LOS bonus
2:19 20% Faster Firing Cavalry Archers bonus
4:12 +30% Light Cavalry HP bonus
6:41 50% Faster Hunting bonus
8:20 Mangudai
12:12 Drill (unique tech)
12:46 Nomads (unique tech)
13:30 Forgotten Empire changes
14:03 Tech Tree
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Looking for the source of one of my pop culture references? It may have been from:
Intro - Khan Academy (TH-cam channel)
Mongols are the exception clip - Crash Course History (TH-cam series)
"Ramming Speed" - from the movie Ben Hur and Star Trek First Contact
"Khaaaan!" - 3 clips from from Star Trek II, Star Trek Into Darkness, and Futurama, in that order
Music from Age of Empires game files
Game: Age of Empires 2 HD with Forgotten Empires expansion
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"But beware the Khara-Kitai! They are without honor!"
*cue the loud triumphant trumpets*
*cue the loud triumphant trumpets*
I came here to see how to play with the mongols.
I ended up learning the durability of Light Cavalry against ranged is a linear function with a root in x=12.26.
Awesome
Lol
When you started drawing I thought you were going to present this like a maths class.
I thought he didn't have his editing software or something! XD
+Jo The Joker I thought Kharn academy took over the video
JAZZ Cat I don't know what Kharn academy is...I'll have to search it up. :D
DidSomebodySayMyName104
Why didn't the attend?
DidSomebodySayMyName104
How? and WHY?
Hehehe. Khan Academy. Khan. I get it.
He impersonated Sal perfectly.
Thank you for pointing this out lol. I missed this reference the first time I watched the video
me to
You don't get a unique intro from Spirit of the Law.
Unless...
*You are the Mongols*
Andrew Raslan WE'RE THE EXCEPTION!
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
Queur the Mongoltage!
God damn Mongorians
Hidden civ bonus
Spirit Of The Law is the new Bob Ross :D
9:07 "Come on, who seriously reads these".
LOL
Is there literally anyone who doesn't read them?
I remember that bonus since I was a kid.
Same I used to read all of them xD
When I was younger I made an awful remix of
OOOOOWWWWHHH MAAAA YEEEEE MAAAAAAA
Alex Aust link plz
Deleted it a long time ago, it was so bad I couldn't let it exist
link pls
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ayyy b0ss can i HaBe l1nk pleeaSe
Random question Spirit, what civ "surprised" you the most, so what civ you didn't think much of until you played as and went in depth to learn about them?
+Marco Yolo definitely Vikings
+Spirit Of The Law Vikings are my favourite....and the beserk if used well saves you lots of recourses ( i usually have 3 groups of them and rotate them out to heal with 2 or 3 monks on standby)
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@Judah Kaden instablaster ;)
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The reason Huns win cavalry archer battles against the Mongols is because +25% more cavalry archers translates to +25% damage and +25% total HP, while Mongols' +25% ROF translates to +25% damage only.
Edit: +33% more damage and total HP, since they only cost 75% as much so Huns will have 4 Cavalry Archers for every 3 other civilizations have. Reciprocals always get me.
Good point
I don't get why you mentioned lack of Ring Archer Armor as a point against the Mongols, because Huns also lack that upgrade for their archers.
Both the overviews were so long ago I don't think I could really explain my decisions thoroughly for either and I might be wrong, but I would assume it's at least partly because the format of the overviews changed a lot between the first few (Japanese, Huns, Britons, Byzantines) and then all the subsequent ones. By the time of the Mongol civ overview I had adopted the pattern of looking at each part of the tech tree one at a time and grading it in isolation, whereas the early overviews like the Huns were just me rambling about how I felt about different strategies and talking about things that had worked well for me in the past. At some point I'd like to redo the Huns (and the other early ones) to get rid of those inconsistencies.
Spirit Of The Law Which civilization do you think is the best at Trash Wars? For me, its a toss up between Japanese, Spanish, and Byzantines. Forgotten Empires civs excluded.
Those would be my top three as well, but I think for me Byzantines are a pretty distant third. The trash unit triangle feels a bit distorted in favour of the halberdier because skirmishers have a pretty soft bonus against them, and the Japanese exploit that with their halbs the best. In the expansions when they get bloodlines and watch towers that rival bombard towers it's just that much more amazing late game :)
When the god damn Mongols don't have have the best cavalry archers in the game, you know you've fucked up your game balance.
Zakuzelo Yeh, it's very dumb that they don't have the best cavalry archers, but they would be for too overpowered because of their great siege, navy and mangidai. Overall, historically it's kinda dumb, but balance wise it makes sense.
Mangudai are actually just foot archers with one guy being disguised as a horse.
But technichally you are correct. (which is the best kind of correct)
Lewis Robertson
Then they should have weaker siege and navy to compensate.
Zakuzelo It's not that I WANT them to have the best cavalry archers because, yeh it will be historically accurate, but not everything in the game has to be (for balance) and it it was the Chinese would steamroll everything in post-imp. I personally like the Mongols the way there are even if they aren't 100% true Mongols. But if something had to go to compensate I would take away cavaliers because if I remember (correct me if I'm wrong) they didn't have good or did use their heavy cavalry that often.
mangudai is cavalry archers bois so they have the best like how extra tu use cavalry archers whn u have mangudai
It pisses me off that they nerfed the Mangudai so much, because after studying Mongol history, they should have the best cavalry archers in the game, so them not having the cavalry archer armour doesn't make sense.
I mean, the Mongols were the strongest and most effective army of cavalry archers in history, so giving them fully upgraded infantry and not fully upgraded cavalry archers is just idiotic.
Mangudai expert here, they're overpowered on its present build, i can only imagine its killing machine potential if it has the perfect upgrade, because elite mangudais relies on swarming the enemies which is historically accurate. Therefore a few mangudai means alot of micromanaging while a swarm of 40s means u just need to patrol them in a surface area and count bodies.
+K IRA They need to equilibrate the game, remember that, if they have it, would be a huge victorious against every one ;) (sorry for my grammar, im from Brazil, so... not from U.S)
+K IRA All I want is siege bonus fully restored.
+K IRA looked at history and saw manguidais are the most effective army of cavalry archers in history? hahahahahah early asia Turks we're the best horse archers in the story
Sefa Yurdagul Did East Asian Turkish horse archers do anywhere near as much as the Mongols? Not by a long shot.
wow, thats the BEST overview, EACH important thing is FULLY explained, comprehensive information
I just love the intro at the beginning. This is such a harmless, yet highly enjoyable funny little bit!
The scout LOS bonus is actually better. You mentioned it at 2:01 that "a quick pass through the enemy town allows you to see 50% more", or 150% compared to a standard scout. For the LOS area it is similar to a circle, which has an area formula of pi * radius * radius. So the 2 extra LOS advantage works twice and the true scouting area is 225% the amount compared to a standard, or 125% more.
+onyx bell Makes sense. I think there's 2 ways to look at it the whole thing: 1) The increased _area of the circle_ all counts as more scouting info; or 2) the increase in the width of the LOS is what gives more scouting info.
In the video I decided #2 is the better measure, since more info ahead and behind might be useful for avoiding town centers and units to keep the scout alive, but after you go through the town the scouted area becomes a line, and more line of sight forward and back doesn't give more info about the town. Put another way, if the scout could only see 1 tile ahead of it but had the same line of sight to the sides, it would learn just as much in a pass through the enemy town as it would if it could see the same number of tiles in every direction. Are we ok on that? Maybe I'm wrong. It's the interpretation I went with.
That means useful LOS works like a rectangle rather than a circle, and the increased LOS helps through expanding the width. In that way, if the LOS radius was 4 out to each side, and we increase the "LOS Radius" by 50%, it would now be 6 out to each side, or 12 across the whole thing instead of 8. That's still a 50% increase (techinically the unit can always see the 1 tile it's on, which isn't counted, so it's 13 to 9, or a 44% increase).
I totally hear where you're coming from with the circle area, and if we agreed that info ahead/behind was as useful as to the side then we should absolutely square it.
TL;DR (too long; didn't read version):
"How much more does the scout see when it's standing still?" 125%
"How much more does the scout see when it goes through an enemy town?" 50%
+Spirit Of The Law I see where you come from. If I reword it correctly, each time the scout moves forward the new sight circle has a region of overlap with the previous sight circle in the center. This reduces the map reveal effect as only a crescent-shaped part at the extreme edge is truly un-discovered previously. In other words, as the scout moves, only the lateral vision gets relevant as the front reveal is kind off wasted. Which makes sense as when the scout turns, the overlap gets worse as the turning angle increases. Until it reaches 100% overlap when the turn is 180 degrees or the scout backtracks to where it came from.
+onyx bell in essence, yes. just imagine the scout sweeping through an area a sin gel screen wide on a straight path. you'll end up with a scouted area in the shape of a rectangle with two circular sections added to both ends. Except for these area at the place where your scout started and stopped moving the area uncovered is only determined by the speed with which the scout moves and the lateral width of his field of view. So the increase is linear
Spirit of the Law - One aspect that you failed to mention is a tactic I was known for; garrisoning pikes or champions in my siege rams. From this aspect, they were like speedy troop carriers; you did a video showing them to be as fast as the cavalry. I used them to charge archers and ungarrison once upon the archer mass, also ungarrison if attacked by cavalry. I have also done the same trick, using a few, individually targeting to avoid formation delays, aimed at mass siege onagers; too speedy to be targeted well, I would ungarrison when I hit them; suddenly they have champs attacking them. Very cost effective means of attack, speed, and protection.
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Mongol cavalry archers don't need to fight other cavalry archers. Their increased firing rate makes them immediately useful for picking off villagers and evading arrow and skirmisher fire, especially in early castle age when there are less counters around.
Maybe that doesn't make them the most powerful but their high raiding potential makes me want to use them at least as much as the Huns, and by the time they're totally outclassed they're obsolete anyway with Elite Mangudai.
I come back here from time to time, Mongols are my favourite civ by far, very well done
ROFL the CrashCourse reference gets me everytime. AND THE PUNS ARE GETTING BETTER EVERY EPISODE!
I GUESS YOU'RE GETTING LESS MATHY AND MORE FUNNY!
9:37 my experience as Guardsmen fighting against Dark Eldar in Dow Soulstorm
Mongols Mangudai = A+.
Best unique unit in the game imo. Huskarl a close second. :)
I love your guides. Still I have some suggestions:
Show the scores according to early/mid/late game instead of the average. (e.g.: Mongol cavalry: Early: A+, Mid: A+, Late: B)
Show a table of those scores at the end of the video. Add a summary score for the early/mid/late game rating: (e.g.: Mongol Early: Rocks, Mid: Cool, Late: Average).
+FernestHall they are much above avg in lategame tho ;P
Cristofer Erlandsson Just as an example, tho. ;-P
Well start a new game, select Mongols, choose post imperial age and a fortress map with upto 7 different players feels like you are the God.
great civ overview, I personally like mongols a lot.
Loved the paint intro :p
couldn t resist already liking after the intro, great laugh on me there :) dem drawing skillz though
Aaah, some vintage Spirit, nice.
Mongols have been my favorite for years, and your aoe2 civ test gave me them too. They're awesome.
Dang the roads of the algorithm are interesting sometimes. Today its been 8 years since you uploaded this video. I think i was here that day, we are pretty old.
count em- THREE, star trek movie references. quite a good team bonus for any youtube video collabs.
Mongols are the exception! BTW nice Crash Course reference!
hurray for crash course history meme!
nordbart CP the exception
Since a certain update they gave a frame delay too to the mangudai. The unit was a bit OP anyway. Mongols is both good at strong army and mobility, their biggest weakness in death match is lack of halberdier and treadmill crane.
Hey Spirit, could you do a video investigating splash damage? I'd like to figure out exactly how it works and to better judge its effect in battle.
+Imperiused oh god just google AoE dmg 11
thank you it was great keep up the great work and make shore you continue because keeping up a youtube channel is hard work.
I’ve always known you were the Bob Ross of AoE2, I love the intro.
Welcome to Gengis Khan Academy today we’re talking about conquering the largest continuous land mass... and finding the area of that mass in cubic centimeters
The most epic intro to my most favourite civ in the game. Mongols can be sooo strong holy
Best introduction to a video ever.
Great video! Always enjoy that you cover most aspects of something ^^
Mongols became one of my favourite civs since I like the Mangudai alot and I often use the light-cavalry line :)
I can guess someone likes Star Trek.
+Freddie Mercury / Who doesn't? He may have also used that reference, because of the word "Khan", the name for a Mongol King (Like Genghis Khan). ;)
This is my favourite Spirit of the Law video!
Teutons would be a good ally combination too. Put the teutonic knights in mongol rams and watch them go
I love all the Star Trek references for frustration. :D I'm sure there are many, many more references in popular culture, so the fact that you chose that as your go-to speaks very highly of you. :D
And for all the reasons you list, the Mongols have been one of my favorite Civilizations for a very long time. :) I'm bummed to hear that they nerfed the Cannon Galleon and Mangudai. :( I always thought that their navy was fairly weak due to the lack of Dry Dock, causing their ships to move more slowly, and their Transports can't carry as much.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA That crash course reference was awsome, good video man!
Best intro and best video civ overview
What if they made it that the scout line could swim in medium water, not heavy Calvary or any other unit that in reality would weigh a lot but just the count line. Or maybe it could be a unique tech for another civilisation.
Lol the red river represents THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT ENEMY VILLAGERS. Nice intro +1 :)
I like mongol siege the best, better than Celtic or slavic siege, SO just look like a completely different unit with Drill, a bit like the spanish Cannon galleon vs normal ones.
Mongols are a bit like the huns, except they trade a bit of castle age power for one of the best post imperial ages, certainly top tier and very fun to play as in team games on closed maps :)
Perhaps you could review Incas next? They get way too little love but their tech tree is very nice and they have some great counterunits. Perhaps wait for the changes AK will bring (they are going to be buffed a bit according to cysion).
Also could you review the Chinese? They are certainly a versatile interesting civilization but when I random them I always f up my build due to their weird start.
hahahahahah great reference to KHAN academy!!!! Dude you're the best by far
Mangudai is my favorite unit so far!!!
"Good start, solid middle, and a great end, A-"
Imagine working for this man.
Woooooaaah Maaaaah Yeeeee Maaaah!
The most epic of the epic soundtracks
Spirit of the Law doing the Bob Ross reference before Deadpool made it cool again :D
Your videos are awesome ^.^ Also, as a hungarian, I find it entertaining how you pronounce "magyar". Just for the fun of it, in hungarian, "gy" is a single lettre that has no equivalent in english. Anyways, I kinda like to watch your videos more than actually play the game (also Fallout 4 is taking a huge amount of time), because as an engineer, I like numbers o.O
2:29 John Green moment
NEW VIDEO OF SPIRIT
*runs in circles and hypes about the cover image*
Best mongols strategy (atleast for me):-
Pick 'all tech' to null out any bonus (since we aren't going to use it much)
Imvest heavily on wood and gold, but moderate or low in food and stone, trade or grab the relics if you can.
Mass up Mangudai and Bombard canons (or trebuchet if All Tech isn't on)
Set Mangudai to 'attack while standing' and use the bombard canons to destroy the opponent's city while protecting them with Mangudai.
EASY PEASY, LEMON SQUEEZY
That's works the best for me. If you have any other, tell me.
A Hoard of Pikeman will out number you...
Otherwise Paladins will take out yours
@@UchihaParambarai ha ha hit-&-run tactic go boom
But that's a good counter by the way.
LMAO I LOVED THAT YOU USED JOE GREEN JOKE...
My favorite civilization in the whole game! Mongols and Incas.
intro reminded me alot of Khan academy
and hey, coming to think about it, this voice seems really similar in this setting
MYAAGHHH GOWD! _BEST INTRO_ EVER!
I love Mongols, like before even video start
your thumbnail is true art!
This intro was brilliant
Yup, and that's why Mongols have been my favorite civ for years now.
Yes!!! Thank you, I've been waiting for your take.
awesome video, I always loved Mongols and I am glad to finally see them under the microscope! thanks
Those battering rams need some Yakety Sax
i ttthink this is your best overview video,funny ! gj
perfect intro
gotta love that crash course reference
Mongols and Magyars are like 2 peas in a pod, both of their tram bonuses help each other. But in reality, the Mongols pretty much destroyed the Magyars. (Magyars will always be my favorite civ)
There is another hidden bonus for the magoldai; when you mix them with cavalry archer they make CA same speed and fire rate as them.
Really??
You are truly an artist!!
9:37 Well I was waiting for this xD
You finally did the Mongols! Excellent, their my go to civ when playing by myself (yes I'm clueless when it comes to the conquers online play) and I'm slowing working through the conquers campaigns for the mongols. Would it be possible for you to do a review of the Aztecs? Or was that already done?
Love the Crash Course homage
Another factor of the Mangudai
They look awesome in blue.
I love your videos! Keep it up. If you have any time could you do some deathmatch post imperial expert tips? For example best build order for rush/defence, best civs order, civ counters, etc. Loads to talk about.
Can you do a video where you show how to use onagers as effectively as you do? I can't seem to use them without killing off my own army.
2:27 was the only reason I gave my like to this video XD
Did u made a Aztecs video yet? Didn't found one in your channel search
he didn't are you a fan of aztecs?
I played the Aztecs and Mayans a lot back in the day the original game was around and on lan partys. Never professional though. But I would like to see why I liked them at that time.
At the moment I don't play the game I just watch the Videos. I like AoE2 a lot
I think the aztecs special unit must be a beast at killing buildings and other damage output.
But dunno maybe its otherwise :)
+Der Sheriff at first i liked the Byzantines but then the Aztecs seemed pretty dope they only miss the cavalry and gunpowder I'm a fan of them they are so good that they get siege onagers and they may seem like a one trick pony but they are full of surprises.
+Grigoras Cristinel I guess you only liked the Byzantines because of the tech tree. So did at least I in the begining. Woha! They have like everything!
Heh that chopping down trees after hunting. "So guys we killed all those animals the other guys are still going what should we do?" "Oh I know let's chop down some trees for fun"
"Who even reads the descriptions anyway?" *slowly raises hand*
that intro was so funnt
I love the intro
Not gonna lie the opening theme is very good and catchy.
Now that I've looked at this one again, there's another civilization I like the look of.
I'm so glad Bob Ross got to play Age of Empires 2.
lol. that star trek reference references a lot more
Would you consider making an Aztec overview next good sir? :D
I find these overview videos Most helpful in helping me pick out wich civ would best augment my playstyle in this game. Depending on my mood I will either attempt to rush early-ish or turtle up and go for the long game. Byzantines and Goths have worked best for me towards that Late goal, but I've yet to settle with an early game rush civ. Aztecs and Huns are the ones I have had reasonable success with, but Huns are always the same sort of thing regardeless the length of the game I find and in all honesty I got tired of that Cavalry Archer rush pretty fast (pretty glorious though :) I'm not at all experienced enough at this game right now to make the best use of subtle nuances certain civs have over others, so I would turn on you good sir hoping you will give me a few clues as to how best I could maximize my Aztec success! Best of luck ahead, your channel is most informative and interesting :D
awesome videos, keep on posting!!
great overview as always! could the next one be on one of the following, please? aztecs, chinese, turks, incas, or italians. thanks!
I played the mongols solely for the intro music so often as a kid
fucking amazing short vids with people raging to loseing shit to the mangudai.. 10/10 do more of that please xD
+karlspel ofc course.. dont over do the short vids.. but do more of them atleast.. dont make this the only vid! and also.. thank you for not doing as much math in these vids.. its more informational then a brain tease now.. 10/10.. whud watch again..
i loved the Bob Ross opening :D
What i find awesome about the mangudai is that they can (if microed heavily) take an almost equel cost of paladins out, even when the paladins are french. Tested it with 9 mangudai vs 8 French paladins (and with equal cost i measured gold value 9*65=585
Great Intro Mate I Rate Eight out of Eight
Decent Vid, sucks they nerfed them so much.
that john green reference! hahahaha
lol wait for it the mongols! love the crash-course reference.
Oh how time have changed.
Revisiting Mongols again 😅