China Airlines Flight 006, February 19, 1985
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- While flying commercial airlines is a relatively safe way to travel, that does not mean that things cannot go wrong. There might be difficult weather, mechanical problems with the aircraft, or pilot error. Or, for the 274 passengers and crew of China Air Flight 006, February 19, 1985, all of the above. That terrifying time that a 747 fell thirty thousand feet in just under two and a half minutes, deserves to be remembered.
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As a retired airline pilot I can say you did an excellent job of explaining a very complex situation using layman’s terms. And, you did not talk down to your audience. Good Job!
With a name like Rex Myers... I sure as hell hope you were a retired airline pilot otherwise you wasted your life with that opportunity
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That’s why his channel is a good one.
Having watched far more plane crash videos than I would care to admit, I thought that this was a remarkably good video for someone who doesn't usually tackle this subject. It's great so see that someone who actually knows about commercial aviation agrees!
This is why we love The History Guy!
As a retired FAA Airworthiness Inspector, I am impressed with this presentation. Many times air crews fixate on a specific problem without FIRST flying the plane.
I should expect that *anyone* experiencing a 747, of any configuration, rolling completely over and plummeting, would think "This is it".
Hey Orange, love your videos! I agree. An aircraft that large rolling over and diving 30,000 feet and partially breaking up would feel inescapable. It's miraculous the pilot was able to recover the aircraft after that.
Given that the aircraft's fuel pickups aren't designed for inverted flight, I'm surprised the other three engines didn't flameout too.
I. Just. Can’t. Imagine. (Actually I can, which is terrifying!) I wonder how many of the passengers gave up air travel after that?
@@stanburton6224 FAA part 25.333 requires transport airplanes to be capable of up to negative 1 g. And, part 25.943 "Negative acceleration" says "No hazardous malfunction of an engine, ... or any component or system associated with the powerplant ... may occur when the airplane is operated at the negative accelerations within the flight envelopes prescribed in §25.333. This must be shown for the greatest duration expected for the acceleration."
So, per the FAA, the engines must continue to operate for some period of time even if inverted, but I don't know how long that time is (probably not too long).
@@andrewsnow7386 regulations like that make you wonder. Was it made after an accident or by someone who was freakishly prepared, often it is option 1 sadly.
I don’t know why I ever think: ‘umm, idk, is this one going to really interest me?!’ The answer is, every time, a resounding: ‘hell yes!’
I do the same thing. I often pass on his videos because I think they won’t interest me, but when I do watch, I’m locked in for the duration. I think a lot of it has to do with his voice and his talent for storytelling. It’s almost like a good father telling you a story from his youth, or reading you a book that he’s read a thousand times before.
I don't think I've passed on a video but sometimes I'm doing something while I'm listening. It Always sucks me in!🙂
sometimes I'll say I'll watch a couple minutes and see if it interests me, I always end up watching the whole thing.
All of THG videos get a thumbs up so I just click on it before I watch the video.
Me: Oh,. Another THG vid. Should I watc....?
Me after 2 seconds. It's THG. Stop asking daft questions and just watch it!
And this is why you keep buckled up in an aircraft in flight.
You mean this is why we dont fly on any foreign airlines!
Qantas Flight 72 is another automation-related accident that reminds passengers to stay buckled in. The Captain’s book “No Man’s Land” is a good read.
@@fltof2 was that the one which flew into the volcanic ash cloud?
@@avnrulz8587 A330 Singapore to Perth, autopilot-commanded pitch-down.
@@idolhanz9842 any Western or major Asian airline is going to be just fine. If you live in the US, Qantas is going to be a foreign airline too, and they are among the oldest airline and have been named the safest airline in the world many times.
I was in the Air Explorer in the Boy scouts back in the early 70’s. One of the dad's was an air traffic controller and he arranged for our unit to tour one of the brand-new 747s at LaGuardia Airport in NYC.
The plane we toured was fueled up and at the departure gate, scheduled to depart at 12:00 PM to San Francisco.
It was a free-range tour because nobody from the airline was monitoring us.
My friend & I went up to first class (the top of the plane. That’s where we found that the door to the cockpit was unlocked.
A rather horrified steward found us - we were in the pilot & copilot seat, wearing the headphones and had our hands on the control sticks (we wanted to be ready if they needed us).
The flight was delayed three hours.
Boys will be boys.
John, great story!
Haven’t flown since before 2001, often enjoyed visiting flight decks over three decades. Dad had flown lots in the military, and showed my brother and I that move as pre teens. On one of my last flights doing that, I asked the pilots if they had ever seen a UFO. The left seat man kind of squirmed and settled, “No, no, but...” and then told a spooky story about his friends’ waterbed being 90 degree repositioned when they woke up one morning, while they were sleeping in it. I loved that he did that, made for a friendly and jovial visit. 8D
Cheers.
That must have been at JFK because the runways at LGA can't accommodate an aircraft the size of a 747. Neither can the terminal ramps.
What does this RED handle that has "Don't Touch" printed on it do?
Lol. Thanks for sharing that!
The secret behind the 747SP is that, while these airplanes are shorter and therefore lighter than normal 747s, they still have the same wing (thus the same fuel tanks) and engines of the full-sized 747s. Same power, same fuel capacity, but a lighter airframe brought the increased range and performance.
Incidentally, NASA's SOFIA flying observatory is based of the 747SP for these reasons: The (comparatively) large wing and engines combined with the shortened fuselage means the SP can fly higher than full-sized 747s-- rather helpful when you're trying to fly above the troposphere so your infrared telescope can work.
Thanks for the info.
SOFIA actually made it into the video @9:21 as one of the stock images of 747-SPs!
And a better view @10:35.
The wing on the SP is structurally and mechanically quite different from the contemporary 747-100, featuring plain hinged flaps instead of the triple-slotted fowler flaps used on the -100. But the wing is the same size as the wing on the -100. The reduced weight results in lighter wing loading for greater altitude performance and a lower stall speed. More importantly, the shorter fuselage produces far less drag from skin friction, resulting in an airplane that’s basically a hot-rod among commercial airliners. The first airplane I ever worked on for a living was a 747SP. At the time, I didn’t realize what a rare bird it was. I haven’t seen one up close since then.
@@singleproppilot my father was senior Pan Am 747 pilot at the end. And he once commented to me that he didn't care for the SP version. Said that it was more of a handful landing with a cross wind even with the stabilization controls and that larger tail.
I was, as a small boy, at the Boeing Seattle plant for the maiden flight of the 747 SP. It was family day, food and a show.
My dad designed the electrical system which told the pilots/flight engineer/whoever was in charge of the thing, how much the shuttle has/is shifting during the flight on the 747 SCA.
Thank you for the video. Always nice to know more about things I'm only familiar with.
My dad was a Pan Am captain and got to fly the little brat version once ~ I never saw him looking so “‘in love” whenever he talked about that experience. 👍🏼
Remember, taking off is optional, landing is mandatory.
Tell that to Voyager One. Or two.
@@pkz420 well eventually they will hit something.
My favorite is "While it seems to be dangerous, you have to fly very close to the ground in order to land."
The first rule of flying is: Gravity is not your friend.
Aviation cliches.... gawd
I always wonder in incidents like this who are more terrified; the passengers that don't know what's happening, or the crew that knows very well what is happening.
I know exactly what you mean, but have to point out that the crew didn't actually know what was happening...
Last words of the crashing Concord pilot.."It's too late."Stuck in my mind.
I’ll pass on ever knowing that answer
In this case, the crew didn't know anything.
Just this evening out to dinner one of my old flight crew members and were discussing an aircraft incident we were involved in years ago. At one point I estimate our aircraft was approaching a greater than 90 degree roll with a nose down of about 45 degrees. We had hit a “roller” on the east side of the Rockies. It was VIOLENT ride! I thank G*d we had an experienced flight test pilot at the controls and was able to regain control of the aircraft. This was a USN P-3 which doesn’t normally do maneuvers like this. What were we, the crew, doing? Our job. You train and train until everything is muscle memory. Don’t think about it, just do and follow the checklist. When we landed then we had the emotions hit us and a few of us kissed the tarmac when we landed.
This history story reminds me of 45 years ago when my sister was learning how to drive.
"Departed controlled flight"....a way of saying that it stopped flying and started crashing.
It's not crashing; it was experiencing "unrequested rapid descent."
The car industry never talks of fire in cars, but of “heavy smoke emission”. Volvo called an exploding car battery a “rapidly expanding battery”.
I always enjoy the aviation stories the most History Guy. I flew several different models of 747's over 23 years. The Air China incident was one we studied in initial training. I've had a couple of engine problems at altitude over my time in the 747's but glad I never pulled a "Dynasty 006". Thanks for the video.
Air China and China Airlines are two different airlines...
@@laocongge you're correct, my mistake in the reference. Usually always refereed to airlines by the radio call signs.
That plane was built before the Douglas merger, when the engineers held the keys to the Boeing kingdom. Bean counters took over.
@Night Rider bean counters gave us the 737 max
@Night Rider 👍
Lawyers, accountants, and MBAs running Boeing from error to error…
The plane was just trying to channel its inner Tex Johnston...
It was daring enough to do it in a 707. In a 747? Oh boy!!
Or was trying to prove something to Kelly Johnson, " See Boeing is just as good as Lockheed!"
Your headline of China Airlines 006 immediately triggered my memory of Korean Air Lines Flight 007 ... also a moment in history not to forget.
First to thumbs up.... I worked for Boeing straight out of college in 1985, structural engineer. I remember this. 13 yrs later I transitioned to airline pilot and over last +20 years flown almost all Boeing types. *This plane was repaired. The wings had permeant deformation, which means it reached yield stress. Can you strain the wing to yield and still be safe? Yes. If it does not reach ultimate or failure and is inspected for cracks. The Horizontal stab was special for the 747SP. With so few made there were no spares. Boeing had to re-tool to make this special 747SP stabilizer.* As a Pilot you learn early on FLY THE PLANE FIRST. As usual your report is spot on, accurate, excellent as usual. BTW I don't get notifications anymore for your channel....
How the wings didn't come off at 4 g is the real head scratcher for me. They were all extremely fortune to be alive.
We had a KC-135 that did a barrel roll, causing the tail to bend to the side. The flight controls were rigged for the the new flight configuration, and that same aircraft is still flying today, with a bent tail. She just looks a little odd from the rear.
@@robertheinkel6225 Did you nickname her "Ilene?"
Hehee
@@donaldstanfield8862 She's doing Japanese service. They call her Irene.
I always like the aeronautical stories.
Same here!
The history guy makes it feel like you are there!
Look up the "dark skies" channel. Absolutely amazing stories!!!
@@menwithven8114 damn, I love peep show
@@tubesocks1138 I do too! As an American I had never even heard of peep show until a few years ago now I've watched the entire show like 3 times through! Super hans might be my favorite character of all time lol
Bless the crew for keeping the passengers calm and the pilots for their focus determination to get the plane to safety!
Well the crew is incredibly stupid for not looking at the artificial horizon, the captain should not have needed a visual reference to level off the aircraft, and never should have missed the bank angle prior to disconnecting the autopilot. These planes and their pilots are equipped to fly without any visual reference until within a few thousand feet of the runway on landing, for those pilots to just ignore the instruments (and thus their training) is insane. A combination of over-reliance on autopilot and an inability to fly on instruments/ trust instruments has led to countless crashes that were totally preventable.
@MrMattumbo, when aircraft roll and pitch too far the attitude indicator gyroscopes will tumble, as THG pointed out, making the attitude indicators more than useless. Modern solid-state gyros are better, but pilots are trained to depend on other instruments for upset recovery. However, spatial-disorientation must have been severe.
@@fltof2 that is a valid point, I forgot about the limitations of older gyros. But they still should have noticed the bank angle prior to disconnecting the AP, had they looked at the artificial horizon at or before disconnect they would’ve been able to anticipate the roll and mitigate it at least. Sounds like they weren’t even looking at the instruments (even though on AP you’re supposed to be constantly scanning them for this exact reason). So many accidents caused by crews with poor CRM and inattention (or even ignorance) to their instruments.
I doubt that anyone was calm.
@@fltof2 Thank God it was daylight and decent weather at the time... otherwise there would still have been no visual reference until seawater started entering the cabin.
This just shows what a wonderful and well designed airplane the 747 is.
Love the shoutout to Admiral Cloudberg, I love his write-ups, you should totally collaborate! (More?)
The aircraft, N4522V, flew for another two decades after Flight 6 before finally parked at Tijuana International Airport where it is still there today, painted in Global Peace Ambassadors livery. My father knew the Captain of Flight 6 and he remembered that he was dismissed after the incident. Flight 6 could've joined the list of many fatal accidents that China Airlines had during the poor safety record era of the 80's and 90's, but N4522V was just too stubborn to die. The airline went through major reforms in management, training, and maintenance after the disintegration of Flight 611 in 2002 and hasn't had a fatal accident since.
I was thinking the primary information that should have been added at the end was what happened to that aircraft, if it was retired or if it was repaired and returned to service. Thank you.
From 2000 thru 2005 I flew to china 5 times a year. Every flight out I was on the same china air flight - both the main leg, and the connecting leg from Taiwan to Hong Kong. The Connecting leg was always the same aircraft- which flew back and forth from Taiwan to Hong Kong- I think 4 flights per day with the same crew. And I got to know all the stewardesses in business class by their first names and they knew mine. I flew on that airplane into Hong Kong in the morning. It flew back to Taiwan, and then back again on its return leg, flight 611, when it crashed. I missed the fatal flight of that aircraft by 2 flight cycles. Every one of those sweet stewardesses I knew by name died on that flight.
I remember seeing the story in the paper the next morning as I drank coffee...
And yet, had the Captain followed the checklist, we would be in a parallel Universe where the flight was OK, the engine was OK, and no incident occurred.
I was able to find it on Google Earth. After zooming in I could clearly see the Global Peace Ambassadors painted on the side. It actually sits about 430 meters from the US border! Thanks for sharing that information.
No fatals but they crashed a brand new 747-400
It's an interesting sensation, flying a plane, having your visual references taken away, and you get to literally watch your body lie to you, telling you, you're in a bank, dive, climb, etc, and your instruments say you're in straight and level flight. Gyroscopic instruments have a limit they can move to, then they begin to tumble and are useless. Couple that with the fact they were in the clouds and had to horizon reference, and it's no surprise they had no idea as to the attitude of the plane
I was just asking myself, how the hell couldn't they notice they were inverted?
Agreed. They probably would have all died if it was nighttime or the clouds extended lower, and the pilot never regained visual attitude awareness.
I've wondered about the current technologies we have...can there be some sort of reference indicator based on a combination of radar, IR, magnetics (Earth is a giant magnet), or some other type RF that can give the pilot an easily read orientation in ALL conditions?
@@empireoflizards modern attitude indicators are digital, so they don't have the tumbling issues the vacuum gyros did. Modern airliners have a bunch more stuff too, pretty much everything you mentioned
@@nhwilkinosn Agreed. Laser ring gyroscopes like those found in modern airliners inertial reference units are pretty robust. They are not susceptible to gyro lock like the old mechanical gyros.
9:28 zooming in on engine #4. Impressive. Others would have picked any old engine from any old plane. Your attention to detail is amazing!
Good morning Sir. I learn more with TH-cam than ever in school days.
Reminded me of the story of a Czech flight attendant that fell out of a plane and survived a 10,000 meter drop without a parachute. She holds a record in guiness. Vesna Vulovic 1972.
Plane was from Yugoslavia, flight attendant too. Bomb detonated in the plane and it crashed in Czechoslovakia.
Igor Blanusa -- thanks. What color was the pilot's mustache?
I remember watching the documentary about this on Air Crash investigations. I think the title was panic on the pacific
Good title.
I searched it up again and turns out it was actually Panic Over The Pacific
Okay, you got me when you said the regained control, my jaw literally dropped. The second you said "switched off the autopilot" I immediately thought "well, they're dead!"
I happened to be working @ SFO that day. I was parked in vehicle between a couple of the terminals doing paperwork. I glanced up and saw a line of really bummed out looking Chinese guys parading by. What puzzled me at the moment was that they all had jackets tied around their waists. Didn’t find out until that evening what had transpired and then the reason for the jackets became obvious.
You tell these stories with such emphasis and emotion . you never fail to captivate me.
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Amtrack from China to the U.S. is .... problematic.
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Wild how America and Iran used to have such a friendly relationship that there was enough demand for a custom airliner
in 1976 I was at Navy boot camp in Great Lakes Illinois . there were companies of Iranian Sea Cadets that were being trained there as well . when I got to the fleet and was assigned to a Fighter Squadron we were training Iranian Pilots to fly the F4 Phantom . you go back and look at old photos of Tehran you'll see women in mini skirts and their heads uncovered and their long hair flowing people on sidewalk cafes enjoying themselves and listening to music . the Ayatollah has and the iman's are nothing more than sadistic Savages hell-bent on keeping the people back in the Stone Age
In 1977, I flew on an Iran Air 747-SP from New York City to Tehran. It's heartbreaking to see how badly things have gone between the US and Iran since then. We used to be good friends.
@@sirclarkmarz i was in boot camp in san diego in '76. they were training saudi naval personnel there. i guess they knew to keep iranians and saudis separate.
Those were the days... Iran bought a lot of fighter jets and other weapons from the US back then. Some of them still fly...
@@user-otzlixr Shah of Iran? They asked other governments to call them Iran in 1935.
Came for the history, stayed for that bow tie.
Interesting, I came for the bowtie and stayed.
I came for the hats, and stayed for the history.
Came for china, learned the history of the 747
And the lava lamp!
Came for The History Cat stayed for the aviation lesson.
Mr History guy, you are my favorite history guy.
Flying in the Queen of the Skies was always a thrill. Used to fly one weekly between O'Hare and San Fran. Upper deck seats were special. Even got a ride in the elevator down to the cargo galley. What a hoot. Will be missed.
THG I learn more from your 15 min videos and I'm riveted to my seat each time. I wish you were my history teacher 40 years ago. I would have aced every class. Excellent job again!
Short, yet brilliant snippets of history!
Thank You yet again.
I'm impressed they 360'd a 747. More impressed they recovered and landed!
You could also have mentioned that the 747 went supersonic in the dive, that when the crew lowered the landing gear to reduce the speed all the wheel doors were ripped off (some hitting the stabiliser) and the main gear was bent backwards slightly. When Boeing inspected the aeroplane at SFO, the wings were permanently bent upwards due to being overstressed. Insurance paid for a substantial repair.
David thank you for that David. As a student of aeronautical engineering and a pilot myself, I really appreciate that additional explanation.
They didn't attempt to lower the gear the body gear of the 74 folds forward, due to the intense G's pulled coming out of the dive the uplocks and retract actuators where ripped from their mounts and the body gear deployed THROUGH the gear doors which blew them off striking both outboard horizontal stabilizers. There was also a huge number of sheared rivets through the fuselage showing just how much stress she went through. It truly a miracle that 47SP didn't break up and had it been a full size 47 it probably would have
Wow, that was truly riveting. Thanks!
Remember the Ho Lee Fuk and Wae Tu Lo jokes on the news a few years back? Now THATS history that deserves to be remembered!
Sum Ting Wong
Yeah...a news station actually using those names....'Trolling Deserves To Be Remembered'....lol
@@empireoflizards troll wizards and meme magic truly deserve a special place in history.
@@Exedus20 I'd love if trolls and memes stayed in that place instead of spreading everywhere like cancer
Thanks for the sponset logo in the corner (helped with skipping it)
We are never trying to be cagey about sponsored content. I do, however, legit recommend Blinkist.
My out take from this is you CAN barrel roll a 747 but it is an extremely bad idea to do so.
The test pilot did it.
Look for the video on TH-cam.
@@shawnr771 That was a 707.
It sounds like he did a snap roll.
You can, but why would you want to?
Great episode, thank you!
Wow! This was one of the best episodes yet!
I applaude your efforts to research and great ability to present this near catastrophe. The result is both entertaining and factually very accurate. I strongly believe you would do a much better job at this than the well known documentaries series on the subject found on TV should you decide to issue longer material. Being an airline pilot, I can tell how good a job you have done here. Well done, really!
My heart was in my throat as you described the airplane’s diving and rolling. I’ve been in many airplanes and could picture it so clearly. I fully expected this to be a crash and burn story with horrific losses! What a horrid flight and what great story telling. The two together had me spellbound. Boy! Am I happy for everyone involved that this had a happy ending!
I almost fell out of my chair while listening to the description of the flight..
This is why I subscribe to the History Guy~!
As always another great video. Thanks
I've never felt so anxious whilst listening to such a lulled tone
Is it strange that when I flew from Australia to America I watched air crash investigation shows to gain confidence in the craft?
I think a lot of people do...being that we all know crashes happen but we also want to know what is learned and improved; and that it is not just simply some 'random event' that is unavoidable. Every aspect of an accident or incident is heavily scrutinized for improvement for design, maintenance, controllers, and pilots.
this was a good one. love the channel!
That was the best episode I've seen in a while.
Yeah, the captain made plenty of mistakes. But he brought a damaged aircraft down safely. Remarkable. Thank you for the history.
Wow.... I think I remember this story but geez. What a save. Thank you.
The fact that only two injuries were recorded, one potentially serious and one minor, is a testament to the cabin crew. They must have taken control very quickly to instruct the passengers to fasten their seatbelts and to keep their heads, despite all Hell breaking loose. They probably fastened down any potential flying objects in a short space of time, probably risking their own lives before retreating to fasten themselves down. They no doubt thought it was to be the last thing they would ever do.
Both injuries were serious by the FAA criteria. The back injury require two days of hospitalization. The seat belt light had already been illuminated due to the turbulence, but some people were still thrown around. Several of the luggage racks opened as hinges or locks were torn free, so it really is surprising there were not more serious injuries.
Another fantastic video! Excellent, high quality, educational
Admiral Cloudberg has some truly incredible content, was thrilled to see him sourced here
THG: another outstanding episode! An earmark of success (and perhaps the most important one) can only be gauged by the comments section. I read every single one and judging by the feedback you get I would hope you feel very satisfied, because I find it impressive, how much you touch peoples lives and how deeply you make them think.
Always interesting and informative. Thank you and keep up the great work!
Fascinating... as always. Thank you!
Another thrilling episode of THE HISTORY GUY.
This is like when Mark Felton and Wendover have a mashup
lol
Hahahaha i can hear the sound track
@@JoshuaC923 dun dududududu dun dududududu
Wow. Just incredible! You lost me a couple of times in details, but sorted me out fast. That's one thing I love about you, History Guy, you are able to go through serious technical stuff in ways that non-technical people can understand and really enjoy. This whole story was news to me and was captivating from start to finish. Well done, as always. Please keep the outstanding videos coming and God bless you and your precious family, my friend!
AWESOME story. Love your presentations. Well done! (As per usual.)
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Last time I was this early, I'd missed my China Airlines flight by 9 minutes
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If you missed your China Airlines flight then you're doing well. What a horrid airline. I regret every flight I've ever had with them.
Total coincidence this is the same day that stores in San Francisco terminal sold out of clean underwear.
"Sold out of clean underwear"? Do they sell dirty underwear also?
@@narabdela Only in Japan.
@@narabdela you can find it next to the pile of feces on most corners in the whole Bay Area. No joke. I live here. Crap everywhere. Yes, people poo.
hahaha!
After hearing about that, I would imagine every carry on should have some sort of back up, even adult diapers.
That is a great story that I'm pretty familiar with, but your take on it added a lot of additional detail that I had not heard before - thanks!
I agree with the other comments, you did an AMAZING job of covering the relevant points of what happened. You do an excellent job of covering aviation stories.
Another flight that deserves to be remembered, History guy: Iran Air Flight 655
@Hansi Reichardtsohn and KAL 007
edit: I was getting it confused with KAL 902 which is also significant.
@@jimmym3352 It's almost like the Soviets had it out for the South Koreans.
Lots of love for the 747 recently on BigJetTV with the retirements of Virgin Atlantic's 747 fleet.
Good tear-jerker stuff. Jerry is SO enthusiastic about his planes, and I'm glad Virgin Atlantic recognized his enthusiasm by allowing him access to make this video.
@@lizj5740 Jerry and Gilly are some of the other things that have kept me sane these past ten months.
Excellent, as Always.
All of us weather forecasters in Toronto were invited to see the brand new Air Canada 747 in a hangar.
As I marvelled at its huge size and the complex wiring and hydraulic lines in the wheel bays, I predicted it would never fly. It was and is a very impressive machine up close. Wow.
I hope that the problem wasn't due to taking off with an air stewardess standing in the engine cowling.
I hope they would have noticed...
That would have sucked for her.
@@rabbi120348 OH!......I get it!
Oh that's funny
@@rabbi120348 oooh boy, he’s got the clever puns on deck! 👍
Well that beats all my bad flight experiences and I have had one similar! Greer at job History Guy! I could feel the panic. Also confirms my personal opinion that the old Boeing planes are robust. Sad to say the 737 Max tarnished that reputation.
Fascinating 747 history. Thanks for sharing. :)
Your narration was outstanding !!
Hi history guy, I would love to see a video on ROTC/JROTC programs. They produce great officers for military service and citizens it really has a history that, Deserves to be Remembered
Very Interesting.
Thanks,
Regards.
Very well done. Thank You
Excellent content THG, thank you. Sioux City 232 most definitely deserves to be remembered too, just a thought....Thanks!
One tiny little mistake of forgetting a single point on a checklist could so quickly turn a few minor technical faults into an almost fatal catastrophe.
There were multiple errors, but yes, had the engineer closed the bleed air valve as the checklist required the flight likely would have been simply routine.
Apparently, the initial mistake was misdiagnosing engine flameout, then attempting to restart outside the acceptable parameters (above 30,000 feet).
@@michaelwarren2391 only sort of, in that the NTSB concluded that the engine, which was not flamed out but merely “hung,” would likely have returned to normal operation had the bleed air valve been closed as the checklist indicated it should.
My understanding is that the altitude limit was not a safety issue, but had to do with oxygen needed to restart an engine that was actually flamed out. The co-pilot requested permission to lower altitude from ground control, and the pilots indicated they never received a response. In fact, ground control did respond and grant them permission. It appears the crises had already escalated to the point where the plane had lost control, and the pilots were not able to hear the response. That is to say, the altitude of the restart attempt was irrelevant, as the plane had gone out of normal control before an altitude change could have been accomplished.
The real error was staying on auto-pilot when the plane needed a person controlling the yaw via the rudder.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Thank you for the feedback. I stand corrected.
As an aviation student, I've watched and heard of this incident many times. Still an epic story every time
I genuinely think this is one of the best channels on TH-cam. Yet to find a video that wasn’t fascinating!
That was great! The technical aspects are clearly and succinctly explained, the narrative is compelling, and of course, the historical context is fascinating.
There is no taking human error out of life is there.
No. Best to just plan to make it as hard as possible for it to occur.
Most jets have at least an intentional limitation of around 2.5Gs in clean configuration. The fact that this thing survived that and landed is remarkable and probably due to their, at the time, recent experience building WW2 bombers built to fly in tatters. I could go on and on about the mistakes, but a lot has been done over the years to train out these mistakes. They still deserve credit for saving it, because many wouldn't have.
My gosh, I did not expect a successful outcome. What a testament to the 747.
I like Blinkist and I enjoy the time spent with THG!
Hi THG! I’m hoping that you could make a video on the SS United States. It was a passenger ship in the 1950’s that was also secretly a US government troop-transport ship. Thanks!
That's a good one. I live in Bucks Co. & remember when they towed her into Philly. Came to find out my uncle actually sailed on her.
And built-in the Newport News shipbuilding & dry dock Co.
That would be awesome
Forestall class aircraft carrier engines in a passenger ship!
"Excuse me...does this mean the drink service is no longer available?"
THG: Another great episode thank you!
We love you history guy. Another job well done 👍 I tip my hat to you sir!
Otto Pilot, was that the inflatable pilot in the movie “Airplane”?
And the actual crew for this flight was Captain Sum Ting Wong, First Officer WI Tu Lo and Flight Engineer Bang-Ding Oww.
@@jonathanstancil8544 can you believe the reporter actually read that out loud off the teleprompter with a straight face 🙄
@@saganich74 yes. Yes I can. Not a fan of mass media.
@@saganich74, Yes I can believe a reporter said that given what passes for professionalism in main stream media.
In safety comparisons "survivability" is rarely included. There's so many factors involved it's probably the most difficult to assess.
Thanks THG.
You're the highlight of my day.
As an Aircraft mechanic with "Big Iron" experience, I absolutely loved the 747. She was, without a doubt, the sweetest collection of rivets, wires, and plumbing ever built. So often, stories about aircraft are full of [malarkey], but you did an excellent job. When you mentioned the bleed air leak on the no. 4, I thought "OOOOhhhhh..."
Thank-you.
UAL 232 is another amazing story (although that was a DC-10).
I love how comical the 747 SP looks, it's so stocky! Qantas used to fly them to the shortish runway of Wellington, NZ. Probably because they couldn't do that legally with a 2-engine plane. (before ETOPS, two-engine planes needed to stay within 1 hour of alternate airport, 3-and 4 engines two hours)
I agree. Yes, the fuselage is short and stocky but the ridiculously large vertical stabilizer on the SP is the part that stands out the most... to me anyway. Long live the 747, of any variant! 🙂
Oh my!! Glad I wasn't along for that ride!
Thank you!👏🙏
Wonderful telling of events