It always amazes me how one can watch hundreds of videos on TH-cam, but then you find something like this that is absolutely amazing. I had NO idea that the bearings from those old machines were made from poured lead/metal. I've never seen nor heard of this before now. That Bandsaw is a monster!! Thank you for these amazing videos!!!
They are called "babbitt bearings" and the alloy babbitt is still used today, there is probably some in your car. Interesting reading on the wiki page at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babbitt_(alloy)
Einfach fantastisch ! Ich habe selber noch meine Schreinerlehre mit so einer Maschine gemacht. Nach jeder Revision musste eine Münze bei laufender Säge ganz ruhig auf dem Sägetisch stehenbleiben. Sehr schöne Videos! Deine Fähigkeiten sind einfach unglaublich !
10% antimony is quite a lot for a babbitt bearing and we used to use about 7-8% along with lead, tin and sometimes copper. Sometimes if you pour in the babbitt metal to warm the mould and then pop that out and repour you get a better set. 540F is a little better for reaching those corners or small passages. And, the higher temp allows more time to get an even set. If you go up too high on the temp for more than 5 minutes you start to boil away the antimony and then you will notice the metal when poured will not reach all the corners sometimes. The oil ring approach is a good idea. We would scribe a diagonal line across a bearing to allow for better oil dispersion on a low speed bearing. Pitcocks with felt in the well would work to more slowly drip the oil. Old printing presses had babbitt metal bearings and when the metal was worn down we used to get cylinder bounce at certain frequencies which would tell on us by getting a slurred body of text type and so one had to stay away from certain speeds to prevent the slur. I would imagine the same problems of worn bearing would affect old planers.
I have an old camelback drill press from the 1890s that has been sitting patiently in my shop waiting to be restored. I’m looking forward to pouring a new Babbitt bearing or two, always nice to see someone else tackling the same job. Cheers, she is a beautiful machine that deserved to be rebuilt.
I had to message you to say what great video! The work on repair and restoration is truly from the heart of a craftsman. I worked in the maintainenence dept of of Shell Chemical for many years installing, repairing ,aligning large equipment . Great job keep this equipment going for many years to come. Thanks for sharing.
Love your videos and your thinking through the problem. This is why I still use my Leica m3 double stroke camera 60+ years old and will out live me Thanks for the videos
Wonderful video, thanks for sharing it was great. It's awesome to see how things worked so long ago. Truth be told they might work better than what you can get today.
I enjoy your videos. There are few people around who can pour babbitt bearings..... good for you. It's nice to see someone who enjoys taking care of the old machines.
Ich bin auf deinen Kanal gestoßen weil ich selber eine Krumrein und Katz Bandsäge besitze. Eigentlich exakt das selbe Modell. Die wird nun 2021 auch wieder aktiviert und in Schuss gebracht. Dein Video ist somit eine mega gute Anleitung für die Arbeiten
What a delicate repair. I know what it is like to spend 60 or 80 hours on a machine. When you are done you have something that cannot be touched unless you would have spent a fortune in money. good job!
great job. I never saw that kind of bearing before. I have an old bandsaw the same size. maybe i'll have to do the same job one day....thanks for the video. really interesting
I don't get those bearings, but it's nice to see that blade guides having changed in 110 years. I guess that part of the design was perfected a long time ago.
I am wondering if the noisy area can be encased in a wooden box affair with some insulated material. It is the most wonderful of bandsaws. A gorgeous pice of machine art. Thankyou.
Nice video on a lovely machine which could be maintained almost forever! When you started the video, it seemed that you were surprised by and unfamiliar with babbitt. Fooled me with that! Anyway, as daunting as babbitt can appear, it is surprisingly easy to do., and if you screw it up, like most metal work, you melt it down, clean off the slag and re-pour it.
We think that old heavy band saw frames would not have to be back off with the blade tension at night or when idle for long periods, but, those old machines can be weakened and will move on us if the tension is allowed to remain day and night.
Did not know you could "pour" a bearing cylinder. Turning the top plate upside down to pour was a great idea! Congratulations! Are you going to check the motor also?
I enjoy learning and just admiring how old machines work. You are doing a great job, keep it up and keep doing what you are doing. I personally own only new machines except for a palmgren grinder with a stand that i picked up today for $125 the old man i bought it from said that he has been having it for over 20 years and it works great. Do you know anything about this brand? The old man said that the motors back then were build by baldor.
Hallo Matthias, wenn ich mich nicht täusche, hast du eine Panhans Führung. Kannst du die bitte mal im Detail erklären und auch abdrücken. Sollte ja mit einer Hochdruckfettpresse passieren?!? Habe die gleiche Führung auf meiner alten Säge und finde keine Infos dazu. VG, Sebastian
Habe vor kurzem genau die gleiche Bandsäge einem alten Schreiner aus der Nähe Würzburg abgekauft. Auch ich werde alle lager Überprüfen. Das mit diesen "gegossenen Lagern" habe ich noch nicht gesehen. Woher wussten Sie das? Grüße aus Bayern.
I love pouring babbitt! What did you use as a damming material? They haven't sold Babbittrite in the states for a few years now. On the bearing you did not repour are there any shims left in between the bearing caps? Glenn
The damming material is just what they sell as "stove cement" here for repairs on the inside of wood stoves. I think it's based on sodium silicate. I didn't put any shims in - only way to get the bearing tight. Next time of maintenance will mean repouring.
Matthias Burger Next time you repour the bearing I would strongly recommend putting in shims. Gasket paper works well because it's heat resistant. That way any slop can be taken up by just removing a shim. The bearing should last for the rest of your life that way. Glenn
Babbitt IS available in the US. Search for casting metals. For damming I used Plasticine (British English for modeling clay) from an arts and crafts store.
hanksgavin No problem. You can get them in every length you want. My bandsaw should be suitable for some commonly used blades, but I'm still using a stock of old blades, so I haven't looked yet.
Ich verstehe ja wirklich englisch und spreche es auch gut, aber was hast du dort für Flüssigkeit in die Lager gegossen und was hat es gebracht/sollte es bringen? :)
Thomas R. Miller can you shoot a video of how it is supposed to be done? I have two of these bandsaws, one operational and one not. I have never poured a Babbitt bearing, but Mathias shows that it is doable
Matthias I love your videos. Thank you for saving old things and preserving history!
It always amazes me how one can watch hundreds of videos on TH-cam, but then you find something like this that is absolutely amazing. I had NO idea that the bearings from those old machines were made from poured lead/metal.
I've never seen nor heard of this before now.
That Bandsaw is a monster!!
Thank you for these amazing videos!!!
They are called "babbitt bearings" and the alloy babbitt is still used today, there is probably some in your car. Interesting reading on the wiki page at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babbitt_(alloy)
Yeah good old german bandsaw
completely agree !
Wonderful! That's a band saw worth the effort.
That is one handsome beast of a bandsaw. Definitely worth the effort to restore and maintain.
Fantastic to see people looking after these great machines
i know it's quite randomly asking but do anybody know of a good site to watch newly released series online ?
Einfach fantastisch !
Ich habe selber noch meine Schreinerlehre mit so einer Maschine gemacht. Nach jeder Revision musste eine Münze bei laufender Säge
ganz ruhig auf dem Sägetisch stehenbleiben.
Sehr schöne Videos! Deine Fähigkeiten sind einfach unglaublich !
10% antimony is quite a lot for a babbitt bearing and we used to use about 7-8% along with lead, tin and sometimes copper. Sometimes if you pour in the babbitt metal to warm the mould and then pop that out and repour you get a better set. 540F is a little better for reaching those corners or small passages. And, the higher temp allows more time to get an even set. If you go up too high on the temp for more than 5 minutes you start to boil away the antimony and then you will notice the metal when poured will not reach all the corners sometimes. The oil ring approach is a good idea. We would scribe a diagonal line across a bearing to allow for better oil dispersion on a low speed bearing. Pitcocks with felt in the well would work to more slowly drip the oil. Old printing presses had babbitt metal bearings and when the metal was worn down we used to get cylinder bounce at certain frequencies which would tell on us by getting a slurred body of text type and so one had to stay away from certain speeds to prevent the slur. I would imagine the same problems of worn bearing would affect old planers.
Seeing your attention to detail is inspiring. I have a 90+ yr. old 36" bandsaw and needed to see this for much needed motivation.
I have an old camelback drill press from the 1890s that has been sitting patiently in my shop waiting to be restored. I’m looking forward to pouring a new Babbitt bearing or two, always nice to see someone else tackling the same job. Cheers, she is a beautiful machine that deserved to be rebuilt.
Casting the bearings in place, that’s incredible.
Amazing work. I really love these old machines. You are a very skilled craftsman. Keep up the excellent work!
Great! Job Matthias. Love the old band saws......
I had to message you to say what great video! The work on repair and restoration is truly from the heart of a craftsman. I worked in the maintainenence dept of of Shell Chemical for many years installing, repairing ,aligning large equipment . Great job keep this equipment going for many years to come. Thanks for sharing.
Just put a guard over the hub and motor and it's kid proof,great machine .
Great video. I’ve really grown to appreciate older machinery. It looks cool also. Not at all what I expected the bearings to look like. Thanks
Nice job! I scrolled down and got the answer to my question about oil grooves. Excellent videos! Very professional.
Thats a really nice restoration!! great work!
Love your videos and your thinking through the problem. This is why I still use my Leica m3 double stroke camera 60+ years old and will out live me Thanks for the videos
Big congrats on that babbit pouring and all the rest of your work. Nice saw!
Wonderful video, thanks for sharing it was great. It's awesome to see how things worked so long ago. Truth be told they might work better than what you can get today.
I enjoy your videos. There are few people around who can pour babbitt bearings..... good for you. It's nice to see someone who enjoys taking care of the old machines.
Excellent job. I have actually pored babbitt my self. It was for a bearing in a British car!
Delightful Sir. You're very brave to have poured your own Babbitt bearing.
Unreal, I would never have thought of pouring those bearing in-situ like that. Well done. Well worth it.
Love throws old bandsaws. grate video thanks
Ich bin auf deinen Kanal gestoßen weil ich selber eine Krumrein und Katz Bandsäge besitze. Eigentlich exakt das selbe Modell. Die wird nun 2021 auch wieder aktiviert und in Schuss gebracht. Dein Video ist somit eine mega gute Anleitung für die Arbeiten
Great video love the bandsaw Christmas tree
Great idea about turning the cap upside down. I admire your determination. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your Family!
What a delicate repair. I know what it is like to spend 60 or 80 hours on a machine. When you are done you have something that cannot be touched unless you would have spent a fortune in money. good job!
And a Merry Christmas to my friend. That was a good job that you did there.
Excellent workmanship
What a beautiful machine! And great work fixing it :)
Really enjoyed the restoration videos.
Merry Christmas.
very nice band saw , it looks right at home in your shop besafe and Merry Christmas ehhh
great job. I never saw that kind of bearing before. I have an old bandsaw the same size. maybe i'll have to do the same job one day....thanks for the video. really interesting
Absolutely fascinating! Greetings from Minnesota! Love seeing these old machines being saved! Just found your channel and will subscribe asap!
Excellent repair, you're a genius.
Merry Christmas!
Unique and mindblowing stuff. Also, the blend of German and Brittish accents is just fabulous!
As always, great video. I always learn something from you.
Großartiges Video! Gelebte Geschichte! Einfach fesselnd! Könnte mir Deine Videos tagelang ansehen.
Nice piece of equipment. Enjoy the holidays.
I don't get those bearings, but it's nice to see that blade guides having changed in 110 years. I guess that part of the design was perfected a long time ago.
Bravo! Very cool machine.
Matthias, I am enjoying your video's very much. Hats off to you from Montana...Gary
+Gary Lundberg Thank you!
Thanks for the video and your sunny attitude! You have another subscriber here!
I am wondering if the noisy area can be encased in a wooden box affair with some insulated material. It is the most wonderful of bandsaws. A gorgeous pice of machine art. Thankyou.
Its lovely! I'm jealous. Thanks for the video.
I like that part which you didnt change old technic !! great job.
Great restoration!
beautiful band saw, amazing.
Nice repair. Nice saw.
Very enjoyable to watch! Thank you.
Nice video on a lovely machine which could be maintained almost forever!
When you started the video, it seemed that you were surprised by and unfamiliar with babbitt. Fooled me with that! Anyway, as daunting as babbitt can appear, it is surprisingly easy to do., and if you screw it up, like most metal work, you melt it down, clean off the slag and re-pour it.
Just wonderful!
A well done repair.
Great work, Well done. Thanks for sharing.
Merry Xmas to you and a great video thanks.
Nice work Matt.
We think that old heavy band saw frames would not have to be back off with the blade tension at night or when idle for long periods, but, those old machines can be weakened and will move on us if the tension is allowed to remain day and night.
well done!! very nice work!!
I never thought that such gliding bearings was casted "just in place".
This was awesome I really I joyed both videos thanks.
Fantastic video
Very impressive !
Great job of saving it
Did not know you could "pour" a bearing cylinder. Turning the top plate upside down to pour was a great idea! Congratulations! Are you going to check the motor also?
I'm not planning a motor repair at the moment - I'm glad that it works at all.
Good work.
I enjoy learning and just admiring how old machines work. You are doing a great job, keep it up and keep doing what you are doing. I personally own only new machines except for a palmgren grinder with a stand that i picked up today for $125 the old man i bought it from said that he has been having it for over 20 years and it works great. Do you know anything about this brand? The old man said that the motors back then were build by baldor.
Sorry, but I didn't know this brand up to now.
Bravo, Well done.
your an inspiration
Gençliğimde tek milli şeritte çok calıştım çok guzel bir makinaydı
Wow. I wish I had your persistence. Myself, I'm easily defeated at the first problem.
Great job!
Nice job! Did you add grooves for oil in the bearings? Were the originals set up that way. The revolving oil rings are very clever. Merry Christmas!
Yes, I carved grooves, because the other bearings had them, too.
Great.
Groves help the oil circulate through the full length of the bearing.
Glenn
Schön das du die andern Videos auch auf Deutsch hinterlegt hast.
Ja, das ist zwar Arbeit, doch ich denke, es ist wichtig. Leider sind manche ältere Videos nur unter großem Aufwand nachträglich zu verdeutschen.
Hallo Matthias, wenn ich mich nicht täusche, hast du eine Panhans Führung. Kannst du die bitte mal im Detail erklären und auch abdrücken. Sollte ja mit einer Hochdruckfettpresse passieren?!? Habe die gleiche Führung auf meiner alten Säge und finde keine Infos dazu. VG, Sebastian
Habe vor kurzem genau die gleiche Bandsäge einem alten Schreiner aus der Nähe Würzburg abgekauft. Auch ich werde alle lager Überprüfen. Das mit diesen "gegossenen Lagern" habe ich noch nicht gesehen. Woher wussten Sie das? Grüße aus Bayern.
Did you place rubber tires on the bandwheels?
No, there was a layer of corc glued onto and I left it as it was.
Like many skills pouring babbit was an art that required ability and practice. Looks to me you did well.
Look like an alien's machine... 👍👍👍
I love pouring babbitt! What did you use as a damming material? They haven't sold Babbittrite in the states for a few years now.
On the bearing you did not repour are there any shims left in between the bearing caps?
Glenn
The damming material is just what they sell as "stove cement" here for repairs on the inside of wood stoves. I think it's based on sodium silicate.
I didn't put any shims in - only way to get the bearing tight. Next time of maintenance will mean repouring.
Matthias Burger
Next time you repour the bearing I would strongly recommend putting in shims. Gasket paper works well because it's heat resistant. That way any slop can be taken up by just removing a shim. The bearing should last for the rest of your life that way.
Glenn
NeonGreenPage
True. I used gasket paper with 2mm on the bearing that I did repour.
Babbitt IS available in the US. Search for casting metals. For damming I used Plasticine (British English for modeling clay) from an arts and crafts store.
Now, how are is it to get a new blade? Or are you going to resharpen it?
Ahem, I mean "How hard is it to get new blades?"
TH-cam wouldn't let me post the first half-dozen times so I retyped in a hurry.
hanksgavin No problem. You can get them in every length you want. My bandsaw should be suitable for some commonly used blades, but I'm still using a stock of old blades, so I haven't looked yet.
Ich verstehe ja wirklich englisch und spreche es auch gut, aber was hast du dort für Flüssigkeit in die Lager gegossen und was hat es gebracht/sollte es bringen? :)
+Tom Beerens Das eigentliche Lager wird aus Weißmetall (v.a. Zinn) gegossen. Später hab ich noch Öl eingefüllt.
Cool Weissmetalllager wie beim Ford T Modell an der Kurbelwelle,gleiche Funktion.
Mfg.
Boy, you dont see bearings like that any more.
I see these old saws for as low as 100 bucks every once in a while.
Best mashine
Well..that is not how its done..BUT IF IT WORKS..OK...HOPE IT DOES NOT SPIN LOOSE IN THE CARRYER.. GREAT OLD MECHINE..
Thomas R. Miller can you shoot a video of how it is supposed to be done? I have two of these bandsaws, one operational and one not. I have never poured a Babbitt bearing, but Mathias shows that it is doable
На токую систему делали из бронза втулки уна старая мелница итоже натокие опоры
Here in America that's called afro engineering old school style