We watched this exact manufacturer video at German officers school in the early 2000s (yes, I still remember it because it was so weird even by mil training videos standards). Crazy to see these things in action now decades later. 👍
There's even similiar top attack thermal homing EFP munitions for 12cm mortars... and the Finnish mortar they were originally designed for went into production in early 1940 and is still in service, but it can also be fired from modern successors like the Finnish AMOS turret or Swedish GRKpbv90120 Mjölner... both with dual barrels, crew constantly under armor and less than 30s set up and redeployment time. The AMOS turret is even capable of 0°-elevation direct fire in self defense with any munition other than the STRIX anti tank round. Eg: frag, smoke, illumination, etc... either way, a pair of ~13kg shells to the face is going to ruin any ambushers day...
I heard the Chieftain talk about these types of munitions and he said they terrified him. I saw a munition that used similar technology called the CBU-97 Sensor Fuzed Weapon that is air dropped.
These Bomblets can also be packed/dispensed by a KPED-350/Taurus (16x Bomblets) allowing you to destroy armored columns up to 500km away. As far as I know, the dispenser has been built/developed but was never ordered, because it is ridiculous overkill and a stupidly expensive delivery system for just 16 cheap (compared to the delivery system) Bomblets.
I've read that the Taurus can deliever quite the amount of payloads with subammunitions. Do you happen to know if it was considered or is it possible to use the Taurus frame as a unmanned system to deliever these payloads as well or is it not cost effective as it was intentionally designed as a Bunker-Buster?
I served in the infantry 11B in Alaska as a anti-tank Gunner and I can say that there's no way to Miss anymore! I scored 100 out of 100 with My M-47 Dragon. You also have a Thermal Imaging Night Sight that could pick up the heat coming off of the Dandelion's in the field! Let alone a human or a Tank engine that hasn't been running for two Days. It's just crazy,i would not want to be the other Guy,i can tell you that!
Damn, that's a good score with a Dragon, they aren't the easiest things to use.
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Very interesting stuff. I think it is also somewaht ironic that the PzH2000 does have a pretty obvious Bomblet/Sub Munition top attack armor package on the turret roof. Which as far as I can see was quite uniq in German armoured vehicles for quite some time. So in a way the PzH2000 was better equiped to deal with an attack of the same munition it was using on other peopel then other german "Panzers" :)
@@norbertblackrain2379 That and as a military making use of such ammunition they would be more likely to consider the use of that specific kind of munition.
The Puma IFV uses the hedgehog armour ( Igelpanzerung, made by GEKE-Schutztechnik) as well. Some Leopard II variants ( Strv 122,Leopard IIA6 HEL) are also utilizing a heavy passive roof protection module, but not identical to the hedgehog armour.
The weapons operation is amazing electronically, but I am still stunned that a shaped charge can be effective at the ranges these are seen to deploy from. Most shaped charges seem to be used at the surface (or maybe 1-2 metres for an NLAW), these suckers go from what seems like up to a few hundred metres.
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That is because it isnt a shape charge per se, but an explosively formed penetrator. In essance it is a metal slug, which is formed by collapsing the liner. The Process is largely the same as in a hollow charge, but the angle of the liner is much less steep and therefor the resultant projectile isnt a stream, but the already mentioned slug. Which has a lower penetrative ability, but a much longer effective Range then a hollow charge jet. Which is why for roadsied mines and such top attack sub munitions, explosviely formed penetrators are used insted of pure hollow charges. Which reach there maximum penetrative ability at a maximum of some 9 times their diamater/kaliber. (From memory)
@@ehochmuephi8219 Also, to expand on this point, even hollow charges perform better with a bit of range. The ideal stand-off distance (to maximize penetration) for most simple anti-tank weapons is around 2-3x times the distance (like 3-6m, but it varies a lot) they detonate at usually, it’s just impractical to make them detonate that far away. If you ever wonder why a lot of anti-tank warheads have a skinny pointed nose, it’s often since the fuse needs to stick out further so there is some stand-off, or the charge just won’t work.
I've been working with microcontrollers theory crafting how easily these kinds of munition timing/fusing systems can be thrown together. With current tech it's really rather a cheap set of components but after seeing these videos the real magic is happening in the aiming and penetrator. I imagined a much lower height of detonation but these appear to activate about 100-200m above target. Truly amazing.
There was also very early photos of some kind of French equivalent system. The penetrator and winglet was found whole...curious to know what that was. Probably an soft target variety
How the hell do you even fight a war with stuff like this waiting to whack you? You cant use arty because counter-battery radar, cant concentrate your armour because then Bonus or Smart gets ya, cant service your stuff near the front because then HIMARS gets ya. And the list goes on, modern war really is hell.
100% not to mention that the battlefield is saturated with Anti-tank and Anti personell mines dropped with artillery/MLRS. Also, the emergence of Kamikaze drones used against both materiel and infantry scares the Hell outta me...
you need to invest an extreme amount into systems that can intercept threats like these. Russia has not and this is what happens, the US has the CWIS and is working on a lot of mobile platforms to perform that role, EU has the rheinmetall programmable shell on the boxer platform. War is hell and if you fail to adequately modernize only 1 specific part of your army then that can mean the defeat of the whole combined force.
Honestly it's the death of tank warfare as we know it. They definitely can't be used in a concentrated effort. All i've seen tanks were used for is just being direct artillery or shitty inderect support. For what they cost they're woefully overqualified and underqualified for the job in all the wrong fields.
@@ezragoldberg3132 Except this time it doesn't matter who or what said it. Drones, thermal imaging, smart munitions made it impossible to mass armor. If you're visible on the modern battlefield - you're dead Russia is the biggest tank army in the world. And we haven't seen a single armored offensive since the start of the war. And these aren't mountains - these are steppes - the terrain armor was made for.
I wish my Pop was alive to see this stuff. He fought in Africa during WWII on a 25lb gun crew against the German and Italian armour. Helped to kick their arses truth be told😂 This technology would have blown his mind. He died in 1978.✌🇦🇺
They should make a stealthy electronic powered glider drone to carry multiple of these submunitions, with thermals and night vision so it can spook around at night and mess up the enemies night manoeuvrers. Obviously it all has to be sprayed dull black, but imagine just a fleeting shadow across the starry sky, some rustle or a pop and then after endless seconds some lightning strike kills a random tank.
Its weapons like this that made me choose the Infantry corp lol. Not just that, I also had that attitude of "real soldiers are riflemen" and "The rest of the military only exists to support the Mighty Infantry" sort of Grunt shit. I even volunteered for the para battalion, although i never did do para training, i ended up being a range operator and small arms instructor (junior lol lots of butts duty, ammo issue, collecting lunchs qnd doing the COs laundry, but also operating a couple of pretty cool range systems with IR and computerised target monitoring, one called "The SMR" which had popup targets from 50 to 300m at 50m intervals, also with digital scoring. But also, the idea of being trapped in a hot metal box, waiting for a molten bolt of copper to punch through the wall and cool into a million tiny marbels of high velocity shrapnel makes me feel sick in my stomach, even now. I dunno how the turretheads do it. I'll take my chances in the bush with a rifle (preferably a machine gun, F89 Minimi would be my ideal because already know that the gas port needs to be opened up one notch once the barrel is hot, or you'll start pulling up one and a half rounds.....) and some trees to hide behind. Its funny looking back and realising how much the world has xhanged. I barely recognise the army i served in. The gear is the same, but the organisation is completely different. More active troops, para gone, half the infantry battalions motorised with APCs, the other half playing at modernised Air Cav. Back then, we trained around the idea that we might have to fight Indonesia (which we kinda did, although the Indonesian army just didn't show up, in Timor Lest. My cousin deployed as a Lance corporal infantry, and spent 6 months watching civilians go about their lives). Now, indonesia is the least of our worries. We know we can't count on the US 100%, and China is a 5 hr flight away. I really hope China are watching Russia and figuring out that killing people won't do them any good, that invading their neighbours won't gain them anything worth the cost.
Wow, a toy ad from the ‘80s that didn’t exaggerate what the product could do! edit: I guess TV graphics in ‘99 in 🇩🇪 were equivalent to 1985 US graphics.
A drone is much easier to down or jam but an artillery shell will look like an artillery shell until it's to late and the artillery shell is faster to "deploy".
@@TheArmourersBench Oh.. okey, haha shame on me for not watching the whole thing! Was too eager to comment. For this, imma subscribe to you. And sorry for sounding like a dick 😅 cheers
They have a similar sensor fuzed weapon in the SPBE but I think they're only dropped from cluster bomb units and Smerch rocket artillery. I haven't seen any tube launched stuff.
@@emilj9399 You destroyed me with arguments! Open your eyes and look in open sources. The entire collective West produces 25,000 shells in 155mm caliber per month, while the Russians produce 400,000 shells in 152mm caliber. Maybe it's a little clearer for you now? How many such (SMART) complicated grenades can the Germans produce per month, 100-200?
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We watched this exact manufacturer video at German officers school in the early 2000s (yes, I still remember it because it was so weird even by mil training videos standards). Crazy to see these things in action now decades later. 👍
Same in the US Army Artillery Officer course in 98
0:21 that Nineties Beat goes Hard! 🔥 🔥 🔥
It's a slapper
These things escalate from something ominous to absolutely terrifying in a fraction of a second.
Yep, the sure number of ways for artillery to kill you is quite impressive if not horrific.
Especially when an entire payload of missiles is heading to your coordinates.
There's even similiar top attack thermal homing EFP munitions for 12cm mortars... and the Finnish mortar they were originally designed for went into production in early 1940 and is still in service, but it can also be fired from modern successors like the Finnish AMOS turret or Swedish GRKpbv90120 Mjölner... both with dual barrels, crew constantly under armor and less than 30s set up and redeployment time. The AMOS turret is even capable of 0°-elevation direct fire in self defense with any munition other than the STRIX anti tank round. Eg: frag, smoke, illumination, etc... either way, a pair of ~13kg shells to the face is going to ruin any ambushers day...
I heard the Chieftain talk about these types of munitions and he said they terrified him. I saw a munition that used similar technology called the CBU-97 Sensor Fuzed Weapon that is air dropped.
How long these bomblets stay in the air? Also as they fall down coverage area shrinks.
These Bomblets can also be packed/dispensed by a KPED-350/Taurus (16x Bomblets) allowing you to destroy armored columns up to 500km away. As far as I know, the dispenser has been built/developed but was never ordered, because it is ridiculous overkill and a stupidly expensive delivery system for just 16 cheap (compared to the delivery system) Bomblets.
Interesting I wasn't aware of that. Thanks!
I've read that the Taurus can deliever quite the amount of payloads with subammunitions. Do you happen to know if it was considered or is it possible to use the Taurus frame as a unmanned system to deliever these payloads as well or is it not cost effective as it was intentionally designed as a Bunker-Buster?
@13deadghosts @TheArmourersBench There's also a GMLRS version called M32 SMArt with 4 submunitions that was developed but not ordered. What a shame.
I served in the infantry 11B in Alaska as a anti-tank Gunner and I can say that there's no way to Miss anymore! I scored 100 out of 100 with My M-47 Dragon. You also have a Thermal Imaging Night Sight that could pick up the heat coming off of the Dandelion's in the field! Let alone a human or a Tank engine that hasn't been running for two Days. It's just crazy,i would not want to be the other Guy,i can tell you that!
Damn, that's a good score with a Dragon, they aren't the easiest things to use.
Very interesting stuff. I think it is also somewaht ironic that the PzH2000 does have a pretty obvious Bomblet/Sub Munition top attack armor package on the turret roof. Which as far as I can see was quite uniq in German armoured vehicles for quite some time. So in a way the PzH2000 was better equiped to deal with an attack of the same munition it was using on other peopel then other german "Panzers" :)
This makes sense since the primary threat is counter battery fire using bomblets that would strike on the top armor.
@@norbertblackrain2379 good point 👍
@@norbertblackrain2379 That and as a military making use of such ammunition they would be more likely to consider the use of that specific kind of munition.
The Puma IFV uses the hedgehog armour ( Igelpanzerung, made by GEKE-Schutztechnik) as well. Some Leopard II variants ( Strv 122,Leopard IIA6 HEL) are also utilizing a heavy passive roof protection module, but not identical to the hedgehog armour.
"a significant emotional event".
Chieftain.
I like how they make the chute colourful for easy UXOs recovery.
Also in theory they should self destruct if they don't detonate over a target. Thanks for watching
The weapons operation is amazing electronically, but I am still stunned that a shaped charge can be effective at the ranges these are seen to deploy from. Most shaped charges seem to be used at the surface (or maybe 1-2 metres for an NLAW), these suckers go from what seems like up to a few hundred metres.
That is because it isnt a shape charge per se, but an explosively formed penetrator. In essance it is a metal slug, which is formed by collapsing the liner. The Process is largely the same as in a hollow charge, but the angle of the liner is much less steep and therefor the resultant projectile isnt a stream, but the already mentioned slug. Which has a lower penetrative ability, but a much longer effective Range then a hollow charge jet.
Which is why for roadsied mines and such top attack sub munitions, explosviely formed penetrators are used insted of pure hollow charges. Which reach there maximum penetrative ability at a maximum of some 9 times their diamater/kaliber. (From memory)
@ Thanks so much for the explanation, I was wondering the exact same thing.
@@ehochmuephi8219 you are welcome 😃 I looked into this when I did a video about how shape charges work on my German channel.
@ Hehe, yeah I know you from there. Great stuff man. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to your next video!
@@ehochmuephi8219 Also, to expand on this point, even hollow charges perform better with a bit of range. The ideal stand-off distance (to maximize penetration) for most simple anti-tank weapons is around 2-3x times the distance (like 3-6m, but it varies a lot) they detonate at usually, it’s just impractical to make them detonate that far away. If you ever wonder why a lot of anti-tank warheads have a skinny pointed nose, it’s often since the fuse needs to stick out further so there is some stand-off, or the charge just won’t work.
Thank you for a video and awesome work you put into it, keep it up!
Thank you and thanks for watching!
3:11 Funny how "Slow motion" in German is Zeitlupe which is Time/Zeit and Magnifying glass/ Lupe
Excellent explanation of how Ukrainian artillery can be so dizzyingly precise.
Not ukrainian, its german
@@Broman-es4sx Oh good lord. How artillery munitions fired by Ukrainian gunners can be so dizzyingly accurate. Happy now?
@@Broman-es4sx "uhm acktwally"
I've been working with microcontrollers theory crafting how easily these kinds of munition timing/fusing systems can be thrown together. With current tech it's really rather a cheap set of components but after seeing these videos the real magic is happening in the aiming and penetrator. I imagined a much lower height of detonation but these appear to activate about 100-200m above target. Truly amazing.
There was also very early photos of some kind of French equivalent system. The penetrator and winglet was found whole...curious to know what that was. Probably an soft target variety
Thank you for all of your hard work.
How the hell do you even fight a war with stuff like this waiting to whack you?
You cant use arty because counter-battery radar, cant concentrate your armour because then Bonus or Smart gets ya, cant service your stuff near the front because then HIMARS gets ya.
And the list goes on, modern war really is hell.
100% not to mention that the battlefield is saturated with Anti-tank and Anti personell mines dropped with artillery/MLRS. Also, the emergence of Kamikaze drones used against both materiel and infantry scares the Hell outta me...
you need to invest an extreme amount into systems that can intercept threats like these.
Russia has not and this is what happens, the US has the CWIS and is working on a lot of mobile platforms to perform that role, EU has the rheinmetall programmable shell on the boxer platform.
War is hell and if you fail to adequately modernize only 1 specific part of your army then that can mean the defeat of the whole combined force.
Honestly it's the death of tank warfare as we know it.
They definitely can't be used in a concentrated effort. All i've seen tanks were used for is just being direct artillery or shitty inderect support. For what they cost they're woefully overqualified and underqualified for the job in all the wrong fields.
@@RazorsharpLT the Israelis said the same thing during/after Yom Kippur War
@@ezragoldberg3132 Except this time it doesn't matter who or what said it.
Drones, thermal imaging, smart munitions made it impossible to mass armor. If you're visible on the modern battlefield - you're dead
Russia is the biggest tank army in the world. And we haven't seen a single armored offensive since the start of the war. And these aren't mountains - these are steppes - the terrain armor was made for.
Another intelligent piece of work. Thanks for posting.
Weapons manufacturers know how to party.
I see Rheinmetall AG shares are through the roof too.
Like there ammunition
@@haustur45 *their
Lovely bit of kit!
Where'd you get that SMArt155 promotional film from? I really want to see the full video.
That promo video can't get more 90s 😵😵😵😵😵
Thank you very interesting and informative.
Thanks for watching!
I have a parachute from a 155 smart round, it's my drinking hat.
that jingle is amazing
This system fascinates me. Beyond clever.
I remember this being covered on Futureweapons!
Good old Futureweapons.
I wish my Pop was alive to see this stuff.
He fought in Africa during WWII on a 25lb gun crew against the German and Italian armour.
Helped to kick their arses truth be told😂
This technology would have blown his mind. He died in 1978.✌🇦🇺
I am so smart, S M R T, I mean S M A R T.
It is rather clear they wanted it to be called "Smart" and made the name work however they could, ha. Anyway, Kraut space magic. Seems very effecive.
I love it when they clearly come up with the acronym first!
@@TheArmourersBench Haha the naming gets...interesting when that happens. Sometimes it just all falls into place and other times...it is interesting.
My mother's brother was royal artillery in ww2 firing 155MM like British version of long tom with longer barrel in photo
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Au revoir et bonne journée .
Music is so early Clarkson days
They even provide a pillow for tankers when they get sleepy
They should make a stealthy electronic powered glider drone to carry multiple of these submunitions, with thermals and night vision so it can spook around at night and mess up the enemies night manoeuvrers.
Obviously it all has to be sprayed dull black, but imagine just a fleeting shadow across the starry sky, some rustle or a pop and then after endless seconds some lightning strike kills a random tank.
They already made that, it’s called an F35 with recommissioned CBU-105s.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 way more expensive than just a fiberglass drone, but okay.
How are these doing in regards to GPS jamming? The Excalibur is no longer used due to bring jammed most of the time...
Not GPS guided.
Its weapons like this that made me choose the Infantry corp lol.
Not just that, I also had that attitude of "real soldiers are riflemen" and "The rest of the military only exists to support the Mighty Infantry" sort of Grunt shit. I even volunteered for the para battalion, although i never did do para training, i ended up being a range operator and small arms instructor (junior lol lots of butts duty, ammo issue, collecting lunchs qnd doing the COs laundry, but also operating a couple of pretty cool range systems with IR and computerised target monitoring, one called "The SMR" which had popup targets from 50 to 300m at 50m intervals, also with digital scoring.
But also, the idea of being trapped in a hot metal box, waiting for a molten bolt of copper to punch through the wall and cool into a million tiny marbels of high velocity shrapnel makes me feel sick in my stomach, even now. I dunno how the turretheads do it.
I'll take my chances in the bush with a rifle (preferably a machine gun, F89 Minimi would be my ideal because already know that the gas port needs to be opened up one notch once the barrel is hot, or you'll start pulling up one and a half rounds.....) and some trees to hide behind.
Its funny looking back and realising how much the world has xhanged. I barely recognise the army i served in. The gear is the same, but the organisation is completely different. More active troops, para gone, half the infantry battalions motorised with APCs, the other half playing at modernised Air Cav.
Back then, we trained around the idea that we might have to fight Indonesia (which we kinda did, although the Indonesian army just didn't show up, in Timor Lest. My cousin deployed as a Lance corporal infantry, and spent 6 months watching civilians go about their lives). Now, indonesia is the least of our worries. We know we can't count on the US 100%, and China is a 5 hr flight away.
I really hope China are watching Russia and figuring out that killing people won't do them any good, that invading their neighbours won't gain them anything worth the cost.
Wow, a toy ad from the ‘80s that didn’t exaggerate what the product could do! edit: I guess TV graphics in ‘99 in 🇩🇪 were equivalent to 1985 US graphics.
could you drop it from a drone ? the spinning part ? should be working in my mind ^^ the question is how heavy this part is.
A drone is much easier to down or jam but an artillery shell will look like an artillery shell until it's to late and the artillery shell is faster to "deploy".
Reminds me of Bofors BONUS
I have a video on use of that too!
Solution Zala Lancet III.
Love the 90's promo xD haha
It's soundtrack is a banger haha
Have you heard of Bofors BONUS-round, created 1986 in Sweden?
I have indeed, in fact mention it directly in this video. I also have a video on its use in Ukraine too.
@@TheArmourersBench Oh.. okey, haha shame on me for not watching the whole thing! Was too eager to comment. For this, imma subscribe to you. And sorry for sounding like a dick 😅 cheers
@@AbdiAktivo You didn't sound like a dick, I just guessed you hadn't gotten to that bit in the video yet. Thank you for the sub, much appreciated!
@@TheArmourersBench do you know if the 120mm STRIX mortar AT round is also in use in Ukraine?
Hard to believe they pack all of that into a 155 shell, plus it can survive thousands of Gs on firing.
Quite incredible really isn't it. Thanks for watching
Great to see these in use. I also see Ukraine has Turkish cluster shells in their self propelled 155s.
Its like getting smitten by God himself
Meanwhile Russia is buying its shells from North Korea. It's like a fight between Star Trek and cavemen.
Does Russia have anything like this?
They have a laser guided howitzer round but I don't believe they have submunition top attack rounds similar to this.
They have a similar sensor fuzed weapon in the SPBE but I think they're only dropped from cluster bomb units and Smerch rocket artillery. I haven't seen any tube launched stuff.
классно , надеюсь это не будет применяется по вашей стране . ну или что похожее .
Too complex why don't just something like lancet that Russian have
You'll be able to buy these at a roadside stand in the Ozarks in a few weeks. I love the 4th, babyyy!
Algorithm.
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦❤🇩🇪
That thing could probably destroy a car.
Sensor fuzed weapon for poor Europeans.
Nö, against poor russian soldiers
One more wonder weapon? Like Jevelin, Stinger, M777, Himars, Leo 2, Patriot? UA is losing this war because there in no industrial bases in the West.
Says the motherfuckers that got their FSB office sacked in Belgorod by an oversized platoon of rebels.
Anybody else who likes to join in with my facepalm XD ?
@@emilj9399 You destroyed me with arguments! Open your eyes and look in open sources. The entire collective West produces 25,000 shells in 155mm caliber per month, while the Russians produce 400,000 shells in 152mm caliber. Maybe it's a little clearer for you now? How many such (SMART) complicated grenades can the Germans produce per month, 100-200?
Cope harder, Sir.
bruh ukraine is in russia without resitance
У этих танков нет никакой надежды, что они не проживут ни дня, поскольку они приближаются к первой либе, поэтому я даю вам совет, внимательно посмотрите на них, потому что вы скоро увидите, как они горят. 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
True, all these Russian tanks started to explode for some reason.
That's some overengineered munition.
You haven't seen some of that air dropped smart cluster bomb.
I call it clever and effective.
PROPAGANDA.
lol. A statement of fact.
No... rather a commercial.
Ah, a pro-russian american. Disgraceful.
Except it's been in inventory for 30 years and used in combat. Moron