John Oliver's show is so much better without his studio audience. Late night tv hosts left and right have been struggling to pad out their shows during the pandemic, but John Oliver has used the silence to plow through the content like an angry diabetic demolishing the crab leg tray at an all you can eat buffet. It's equal parts mesmerizing and intense.
@@Javier.M. Definitely. Though I remember how his pacing was during the beginning, when he started doing the shows by himself. Those unnatural pauses were a byproduct of the comic's natural habit of waiting for the laughs after jokes, but he got so much better over the past few months. It's so solid and tight.
Dont get too involved. Scrollin through 5k comments and findin that one crazy person who knows something about some senator in my district. The rabbit holes will take you to some crazy places. Lol
As a Danbury native, I am shocked and appalled that you'd mention our railway museum, but not the 50 ft tall monstrous Uncle Sam statue in front of it. We deserve to get thrashed for that alone.
You mean to say that basing the judicial and medical systems off of capitalistic principles was a bad idea and that personal gain might be a motive to corrupt said systems to create personal wealth rather than solving the problems they were supposed to solve?
@@kristianjensen5877 pretty much yeah, although in this case it's not as flagrant as in other episodes, the one that sticked with me the most was standarized testing tbh
@@ahyan14 Yep, but it seems to be a better way of governing a society than anything that has come before it up until now. American capitalism seems especially anti-human though.
I really wish people would remember that Indigenous peoples exist and very much deserve to not be totally ignored. Every stat about black Americans is even more true for Indigenous Americans, and I really wish the two would join together in the fight, because they share common experiences.
Very much so, but that's an even bigger mess that they're probably holding on to for a future episode. Something like "Remember all the ways the justice system is stacked against people of colour? We focused mainly on african americans, but tonight, let's discuss just how much *worse* it all somehow is for native americans."
@Scruff Looking Nerve Hurter so you think that the 15th century Indians whipped out the 13th century Indians with guns and small pox and by killing off their food, denying them access to jobs and currency, and restricting their movements? You know we have a general idea about the populations of North and South America going back about 20,000 years right? There is no evidence of war to the scale of the Viking invasion of England . Thinks skirmishes between Scottish clans and not Braveheart.
Yeah, first couple of shows after the switch were a bit awkward, but since then he has really hit his stride. Not needing to pander to a live audience has made his show sharper than ever.
Chef Joel Carpenter ok... 1) whaT does a shows political leaning have to do with the competence of its host? 2) a 100% politically unbiased comedy show would still be shitting on corruption, big corporations, and trump bc those things are objectively terrible
Yep. And the point of contracting out to private companies is to make public processes and services opaque and unaccountable. They rarely ever save money either. And any lowest bid contractor that manages to do it is practically guarantied to be less reliable than the public system they replaced.
@AXioS TraLLö no man, no it's not. It always excluded a good portion of people and we are now seeing the ruins of capitalism in real time again (plenty of people have seen it for hundred of years and know it for many generations they actually know.) Capitalism works as a theory in a bubble the same way communism does, with almost the exact same pitfalls - just within different systems.
My mother was once on a jury for a trial where they were trying to convict a woman of "assault with a deadly weapon" for throwing a lit cigarette at a cop, and there was an advocate for police officers on the jury, they ended up with a hung jury because the police advocate insisted the defendant was guilty of assault with a deadly weapon
@@TimoRutanen we're pretty sure that person just carefully didn't mention their profession to the defense attorney, because technically no one asked if they were a police advocate, though they may have been asked if they were a police officer or related to a police officer
Can do you one better with one of my jury times. Defendant had the deadly weapon assault charge because cop stood in the middle of street yelling "stop" and the defendant kept marching forward with his wheelbarrow. Cop: big, beefy guy. Defendant: scrawny, old 95lb weakling. Verdict: not guilty. Jury not at all happy having to go through 3 days of hearings on a bogus charge.
As a software developer, I feel like a broken record but I'll say it again: please please please stop putting all of your trust in software. Don't get me wrong, there's lots of smart people in the field that are doing amazing things. But it's a relatively new field compared to say medicine or architecture. We pretty much have no universally enforced standards we have to adhere to (so it's really just the honor system), lots of people get into the field thinking that it's "easy" and they can just a throw script together and call it a day, and a lot of the people hiring us don't know shit about computers nor realize you can't just hire somebody halfway through their computer science degree and expect them to know what they're doing. Software can help and do a lot of great things. But for godsake keep some goddamn humans in the loop. /endrant
As someone in the early stages of learning Python, don't let me near anything critical. _Anything_. I can barely use command prompts, let alone knowing how a bigger system works. Shit's hard yo.
@@BonDieu617 good luck on your studies! Please don't take my ornery rant as discouragement; we need lots of good programmers, and you'll get there. Just takes practice:)
I don't know shit about computer science, but it's similar to conversations I've had with people about math, specifically those who say two calculators who have different answers to the same problem are both correct. Calculators and other machines are not infallible sources of information - it depends on who programs it. A calculator that gives you the wrong answer doesn't mean that answer is 'technically' right depending on the methodology to solve it - it's just wrong because the programmer made a mistake. Humans making the software make mistakes, some minor and others disastrous.
In Australia we have a paper ballot and full chain of custody over all paper ballots. It works very efficiently. Unfortunately we have just started experimenting with on-line vote casting, which I think is retrograde for the reasons you outline.
A certain Austrian warlord was okay with smart people, as long as they were smart enough to play ball. Lawyers don't like Engineers in engineering cases because they have too much sway and are more likely to go outside the facts of the case.
Big shocker that they are avoiding people who have a better understanding of an evidence based approach to answering questions. I am in my late 30s with a B.S. in Chemical Engineering. Forget being dismissed from a jury pool, I have never even been called to one, and I have had a car registered in my name and been registered to vote my entire adult life. Until I saw this segment today, I had kind of forgotten that jury duty was even a thing I could potentially be called for.
yeah, that said this whole year being only centered on racism issues may become a bit triing. i know it's important but don't let that become the only thing you talk about.
Saying that it is just racist is like an over-simplification: America seems like a place where poor or disadvantaged people, but even the whole population in general, are constantly and systematically exploited to various extents, with the approval of the government and the laws, who seem to defend the right of anyone to be exploited by whoever has more power and money. And they call that "freedom".
@Jon O Well, the jury system makes it not a judicial thing anymore, but a "who can make the biggest song and dance act to wow the audience" thing. That's my biggest gripe with a judicial system based on jury verdicts and sentencing. Plus, they made a joke about it on TBBT about "jury of your peers", but if you're one of the smartest (or dumbest) people in the world, how can others be your peer in this matter?
@@christofferrasmussen6533 In that case, why can't people be judged by 2 or 3 people who actually studied law (and presumably ethics) and to this for a job, instead of 10-20 random people who may or may not have studied at all
"our algorithm to select random jury members is a trade secret" lol wtf? It's a democratic process so the way it's done just cannot be a secret, and the best way to do it is pretty much just entirely randomly.
@Zachary Morris depends how far you wanna drive "peers". Are they supposed to be "average, regular citizens like you" or are they supposed to be your buddies from around the corner and people from your chat groups with the same whatever trait makes you a minority (making it a jury not representing the whole of society at all)? Also, still, it should not be a secret. Making it a secret means it can be rigged.
@@marnes5575 I think he just means representative, so if 30% of the people in your state are one race then 30% of the jury should be that, something along those lines. Although I also hate to see how they seem to hate educated people and seem intent on it being made up of 100% less well educated/more impressionable people
@@asneakychicken322 well I hope "representative" considers more factors than only ethnicity then. I suppose you'd want to have specific selection algorithms then if you want to avoid statistical outliers resulting in unrepresentative juries, since a random selection would only be representative on average. But then the algorithm still shouldn't be a secret, that's just crazy.
There is an overarching theme to all these stories: in the USA private companies are somehow called up to manage and oversee all these programs/systems. Spoiler alert: they do it for profit, not for the greater good
Let me be clear...do you think a country founded by slave owners are "good" people? Jesus H Christ. Stop being dumb and get with the program that American HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS way. We simply hid it with our "exceptionalism" and media environment.
Keenan Thomas a lot of countries don’t let private companies run prisons for profit, or pay doctors to prescribe a certain drug, or handle jury summoning. The USA for some reason allows all of these things. Sure there’s corruption everywhere, but I’ve never seen it as bad anywhere else.
Tate Beavers yes this really startled me. How can this be? this is probably the most egregious form of censorship I have yet to encounter when looking into the context of how we get our info through big tech. The trade secret argument is absurd because that argument only really applies when there is true competition. Digital media is completely a conglomerate. Five media companies own all outlets. There is no real competition, so who is it a secret from? The trade secret is an exemption allowing nondisclosure to help keep a business competitive. It all sounds very wrong.
annnnnnnd Voting too. repubs wanted to privatize everything since Reagan. This is what we got. private prisons too. private security forces. "vouchers" for private schools... time for them to get fucked and pay up * Transparency is the goal to help the real goal
@@jschuler53 I really don't even think it's because of competition. Companies just don't want to admit how much they've screwed it all up through negligece or outright intentional design.
it seems so absolutely ridiculous that the government isn't using open source software for crucial tasks such as voting machines, jury selection and more
I didn't really get the whole bird comparison that he kept going on about until I realized that instead of just nodding his head, he bobs his whole upper body. That definitely reminds me of birds.😁🐦🦉🐧
He also has a large nose, which reminds people of a beak. It's hard to tell from head-on, but his profile explains why people say he's a variety of fowl. I never noticed the body-bobbing thing, but now I can't unsee it, so thanks for that! 🤣
What makes me scoff is the use of "proprietary" to protect the code. This is stuff at the level of a first year undergraduate. The data sources are where the value is, not the shuffling of a list.
OOPSY POOPSY! Guess I went and forgot all the minorities but that’s okay right? We still have all these fine people wearing MAGA hats who are staring with hate and vitriol at the black defendant. This should still be okay to do!
What kind of "programmer" hears "randomised selection" and thinks "I'll just sort the list alphabetically and start selecting from A until we have enough names". And to think this person is out there in the world, ruining code wherever they touch it. That's really the most interesting take-away from this story, because the revelation that America's jury selection systems are often privately operated and are full of racial bias is really utterly unsurprising. I could hope that it might get fixed but let's face it, it probably won't. Can't let the Poors have too much of a say in who's running things, they might elect the wrong corrupt pollie.
Yeah, there are TONS of algorithms for doing things randomly. Wind Waker ran on 2001 recreational game hardware, and its randomness was cracked, but even its randomizer would be better than that if they didn't start with the same seed value each time.
The whole “90% of African American neighborhoods were accidentally left out” can’t possibly be an accident. I would understand a few percentage points but over 90% is definitely deliberate
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90% of African American neighborhoods? So neighborhoods where blacks are predominate? Like say a Bronx Jury. Let's not mention that segregation of races is the issue, because I'm sure there would be none that would be against predominantly white, or Asian, or Middle Eastern neighborhoods that have a problem with diverse juries
The issue at play here is simple and it has far less to do with race than you might think and than he makes out. Lets take a look at a sample county: I'm more familiar with Broward county in Florida than anywhere else so I'll use that to prevent a massive man hunt of research. Broward county is 30% African american. There is a population distribution map that places the vast majority of African Americans in a city called sunrise (google [sad as this sounds] "Where do blacks live" and zoom in on the map I don't even want to know why that is called that but thats another fight, broward is just north of miami). Sunrise is described by 6 zip codes that while not consecutive are, save for one, all within ten ish of each other going from 33313 through 33326 with an outlier of 33351. So basically a bad bit of code that skipped 33320 through 33326, would drastically reduce the number of African american selectmen. Thats 6 zip codes out of 53, and its incredibly easy to do accidentally. For instance Sunrise is comprised of 6 non sequential zip codes: 33313, 33322, 33323, 33325, 33326, 33351. Anyone selected in those zips gets sent to sunrise courts. So you build in a filter that builds that out so that they get assigned the right court house and so on. Well you can't select the zips sequentially 33313-33351 you'll send people who are in other cities to the wrong place. So you tell it for zips with 333 and either 1 (and 3) or 2 (and 2 or 3 or 5 or 6) or 5 (and 1) send to sunrise. Then you forget to close a parenthesis or add a digit, or you get the logic backwards and subtract that set from it, and suddenly everyone in that area isn't being summoned for jury duty. Its a common mistake to make and remember this is an under paid coder in the basement of the building somewhere tasked with debugging hundreds of thousands of lines of code just for this simple selection. I'm not saying it wasn't deliberate, but I am saying that its a farther stretch to think it was rather than to think it was a ghost in the machine that resulted in a grievous wrong.
@@presidentialcampaignmusic1018 Then he has never been on a jury in San Antonio. It was 70% Hispanic with about 10% who didn't speak English. I know because I had to translate for them to fill out their paperwork. Again, my point is racial makes up changes in different areas. You're more likely to have more black jurors in Baltimore than you would say Fargo. That's not racism, that's geographical.
@@Rudyelf1 if you're concerned about under-representation of people of color in the governing bodies making decisions that impact people of color, i've some got alarming news for you about the racial makeup of the leadership of the for-profit companies governments contract to do that same work
Curtis Flowers has since been exonerated and freed. The prosecutor had to recuse himself from the impending seventh trial due to his relentless pursuit becoming a conflict of interest. No other prosecutor believed Flowers was guilty, and the "evidence" was highly questionable.
Called twice, Jody. Dismissed both times. Had a friend tell me that when presenting DNA evidence they don’t like having jurors that understand the tech. Friend was assistant DA... I am a published molecular biologist. System is run by a-holes.
Who benefits from this crazy system? Or is just a playground for prosecutors and defenders to measure their dicks? There is better justice systems around the world, cant understand why modern america keeps this old and corrupt system. And I don't mean to diss americans, just sometimes wonder why they are so stubborn with their old ways
@@penttihirsus because we often have the attitude "if it was good enough for grandpa, it's good enough for me!" or they were told "this is the one true system" from someone they respect to the point of taking everything they say unquestioned.
That's a problem. I have a friend whose name begins with "S" and he got a jury summons, but they filled the number of jurors they wanted during his week of service before they got to "S".
My last name starts with A and I got called for the first time last year. And I am 38. My other family members have all served, but somehow I was completely left out of the system for years until they announced they retooled the system to make it more fair.
I once spent three days debating guilt or innocence in an intent-to-sell case. I couldn't figure out why it was taking so long until I found that a fellow juror didn't know what the charges were.
I got summoned for jury duty and when I realized I got paid 20$ a day I had to postpone because I couldn't miss that much work for such terrible pay. It's ridiculous that the pay isn't more. I understand that's not what this piece is about, and that black Americans have been disproportionately effected, but I just wanted to share my experience as well
@@RandomGlow444 But I thought there was actual murder on the show? Like one of those things where they are law students and then one of them actually is a murderer?
Everything is made to held the black man down in this country. I just came to the conclusion that it’s never going to change they just going to find anothers evil ways to do it.
@@ayo1959 They may never change their minds or are forever stuck in their ways, but they can still be beat, voted out, and/or be made irrelevant by them being removed from power or positions of influence. They will age out and eventually all die and it will then be up to us to fix or just completely redo our entire bigoted system.
Yeah exactly. I'm from the Netherlands, and when I heard shows talk about "jury dury" I always expected it to be people who had at least studied law. But apparently not. It feels very weird to me, I mean, why would you need to have a law degree then? Just get the smoothest talkers as lawyers and the most gullible people as jurors, and then boooom racist prejudiced system.
The whole jury duty actually seems weird to me too. I get that the intention is to have a representation of the community that the defendant lives in but they probably don't have the legal expertise to judge things like this, especially white collar crimes where they pull off elaborate cons. Here in India, we have one judge (or multiple judges) who passes the judgement but from the looks of it, it seems like in American courts, the judge is simply there to tell people what the jury agreed on.
Another silly requirement of jurors is that they are not familiar with the case, or the person, or anything about it. So that means you want people who so don't read the news, or are so poorly acclimated to culture as to not even know who Bill Cosby is, for example, or Michael Jackson, or OJ Simpson, or to have NEVER heard about the Casey Anthony case, which dominated every news channel in America for months before any trial dates were set. It ensures you get the real cream of the persuadable crop. These uncontacted people would probably join the Jehovah's Witnesses if they came to their door.
Add an elected judge who didn't have study law either a prosecutor push to jail as many people for as long as he could regardless of the crime and a public defender who have to work 100 case a week and you have the US "justice" system
On the software end, not charitable enough. Don't take this the wrong way, but America's computer science education program is a giant joke, and those jokes are often replaced by even less qualified jokes with a thick Indian accent and an H1B visa. TH-cam is more than a decade old and the development team still manages to periodically screw up the platform. "Well it runs and the video plays, so clearly the testing process is done."
Well there is no actual evidence that some of these aren’t indeed accidents, he said himself we don’t know if they are entirely accidental but he wants to refrain from saying statements that aren’t true. If he didn’t, it wouldn’t be news.
@@cerebraldreams4738 sure, but do you really believe these software errors "coincidently" affected majority black areas? Maybe one of these examples could be pure coincidence. But not all of them.
@@LK-qk8fm - They found 2 or 3 counties out of more than 3,000 in the United States that had these kinds of software issues. I'd be much more concerned about that prosecutor teaching other prosecutors to do illegal shit.
@@lazyhomebody1356 my favorite is "if you don't like it here, you can leave", as if our country has reached the zenith of social evolution. As if protesting and dissidence aren't cornerstones of our culture.
@@jeremytine it's almost just like these people take legitimate criticisms of their country as personal attacks because so much of their identity is tied up in living in "the greatest country in the world," because without that delusion they have nothing left to feel good about.
@@lachronic7821 I, too, was taken aback. I've always been a big fan of John Oliver but the way he lashed out at a town of 80,000 people who (at least as mentioned in the episode) haven't done anything to merit a "fuck you" made me wonder. I would assume if he's going to go off on a town like that, it would be because it had passed some discriminatory law, or its police force was doing something shady, or it had re-elected a convicted criminal as its mayor. All these things have happened in certain towns - but to my knowledge not in Danbury.
@@mdickinson It's definitely just friendly banter. The mayor of Danbury wouldn't name a building after Oliver if it was serious. I can imagine John Oliver/his staff talking to officials from Danbury and saying "Hey, is it cool if we trash talk your town in our skit?" and them responding with "Only if we get to do something funny in return" And thus, Danbury named its new sewage plant after John Oliver. Not everything about 2020 needs to be doom-and-gloom, sometimes we just need to have some fun.
I not only live in one of those cities in Connecticut where they weren't registered for jury duty, but the amount of shade he threw at Danbury cemented him as my favorite talk show personality.
I got called up for jury duty. The case was "menacing with a machete." I was asked if I could be impartial and keep an open mind about a person who goes to a meeting carrying a machete. I said, quite honestly, "No." That was the end of my one and only jury duty experience.
It's one thing to bring a machete to a meeting... as a prop or story telling device... but "carrying it", to a business meeting doesn't seem entirely wise
I've gotten called for jury duty a couple of times, two I had to waive as I was doing final exams, but the other two times I pretended to be a dumb, blond bimbo, got picked for a large drug possession case. Boi was the prosecutor mad when I could tell he picked me thinking I was dumb and I actually wasn't. lol We found him not guilty because I wouldn't budge. It was all circumstantial evidence anyway.
"With freedom and justice for all. (As long as you're white, and male, and straight, and a landowner, and rich, and don't wear clothes we don't like, and have the right name, and hair style)."
"In selecting blacks, again, you don't want the real educated ones. You don't want smart people." Cripes, I'm not even black and that was frigging infuriating.
Someone smart is more likely to attempt to go against the grain which bogs down the court proceedings. While also being a lot less predictable because they can hold a bias and be impartial it if the evidence shows something else. Overall it is just a massive waste of effort on the lawyers part which they would like to avoid if he already thinks he is going to win; since they probably have 2-3 more cases that same day.
@@flachzange1614 because a lawyers job is to serve his client regardless of right or wrong. Dumb people are more easily influenced, therefore increasing their chances of convincing them of the desired point of view. The whole idea of a jury is bull.
@raserianfald That role belongs to the judge and the jury. If you take on the case, your goal, minus using illegal methods, should be to win for your team/client or strike some sort of deal.
@raserianfald I agree, and there should be changes made to the legal system to reduce the amount of work placed on lawyers so that they can actually put in the time to really work through a case with an educated jury. Just look up what some public lawyers have for a workload.
This was likely filmed prior to the closing ceremony being posted (I think they mentioned before that they film on Saturday mornings, but don't quote me on that)
i know someone mentioned this above, but i believe that they film the show one week prior, so mayb the next show? i think i remember watching one and he said that the results of something were going to come out in the next few days, but by the time the show came out the results were in. idk tho
@@abiyoyo9831 Naah, it's not. Plenty countries here in Europe are better. Mine (Netherlands) included, although it's not the very best. Edit 18/8 (the next day): I've said there are plenty European countries which are better than the US, and it, of course, always depends on the criteria you go by, but the criterion I'd use is pretty much where would you have the best chance at a healthy, happy, free life if you were a foetus who didn't get to choose their parent's socio-economic situation. The US has many possibilities for the rich, but most people aren't rich. Most people are hard-working normal people who barely get any vacation days, and if they do have more than average, it's not always encouraged that they use them all. The work-life balance is shit. Church is not very separated from the state which impacts freedom. Companies rule the country. It seems like Americans are treated as consumers first, citizens second. You get indoctrinated from a young age to think you're living in the greatest country in the world, which I could imagine makes people complacent. There are also great advantages. There's amazing healthcare for those who can afford it. There's a lot of gorgeous nature. Some of the best music was created there. There's a lot of diversity in ideologies. If you want to live in a hippy commune, there's probably multiple places to choose from and if you're a super religious nut-job, there's places to live with like-minded people as well. I'm not saying it's a terrible country to live in. It's quite a special country. Most people in the world have it worse. There are just better places out there is all I'm saying. If you're not rich, I'd go for a better work-life balance, more time with family, and a healthier life in another country. I'd like to add New Zealand to the list also. I'd say it's probably better than the US too.
We are not in working condition, we're declining empire going into a failed state. Once the millions of people become homeless and start to starve, mass riots will begin. Who knew decades of bad leaders and bad policies from a rigged system would do such a thing. Cough Cough Rome... What is odd the two strongest empires in world U.S.S.R and the U.S. collapses after going to war with Afghanistan.
It's because USA didn't have any neighbor conflicts/immediate danger. That's why American movies have it to be popular. Only advantage of immediate danger is citizens remain more united & patriotic.
As a non-American temporarily living in Germany, I watch this to see 'WTF wrong with America' and then etrapolate it to relate to 'Can this happen in my country of origin'. Some of the stuff from JO like authoritarianism, bitcoins, multilevel marketing , vaccines etc are applicable to India too, especially when one of my friends (who holds a PhD in a scientific field) recently raised a question on requirements of vaccines.
Maybe because you think that you having a college degree means you should have been chosen over or instead of the people who have been picked for the last thirty years is a good reason that you haven't been picked.
@@jcn91 That was merely an observation adding to the credibility of the argument that ppl with a degree are avoided in the search for potential jurors. it's not better or worse thing, it's a 3-decades of personal experience thing.
One of the best/worst lines was: “We struck him because he’s a Mason, and we didn’t want someone that’s part of a secret organization” To which the Defense said “he’s a carpenter and bricklayer, not a Freemason” But the judge still allowed him to be struck 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Uneducated idiots exist everywhere. In the UK a group attacked a doctor because they thought pediatrician sounded alot like pedophile. I'd never want to be judged by a jury of my "peers". Edit: Got to correct myself. Checked it again. Seems like the "attack" was just grafitti.
I would've responded that the Masonic logo and motto are on the dollar bill. I were a Mason which, which I am not, shouldn't that qualify me for jury duty even more?
I’ve only been summoned twice-each time was by a state I had moved away from a while prior. If I’m ever summoned in the future, as a current law student and future lawyer, I will never be selected.
I got summoned about a year after I got my driver's license after moving to a big city on the west coast. I had never been summoned anywhere else I had lived in the 10 years I had been an eligible adult at the time. I was poor at the time, living paycheck to paycheck, and barely able to cover my rent each month. I didn't want to go because I literally couldn't afford to miss any work. Well, the jury summons has a lot of language about repercussions if you fail to appear to your summons (you can delay it up to 6 months, but then you have to go) so I decided to do it. Legally, my work couldn't reprimand me in any way as far as firing me or letting me go for not being able to work for however long the trial lasted. However, they were also not required to pay me, or schedule me to work in the evenings after I had served jury duty for the day. The lawyers (on both sides) during jury selection stated that they didn't expect the trial to last longer than a few days. It was a civil case that they thought wouldn't take long to sort out, I guess. I was, of course, selected for the jury as I was one of the few people who could actually speak fluent English (funny how all of the Hispanics I was chatting with before jury selection suddenly developed a broken-English accent when talking to the lawyers, those cheeky bastards). Well to make my long story a little shorter, the damn trial lasted for 2 weeks! My work scheduled me a grand total of two 6-hour shifts during those 2 weeks, and the city only paid me $15/day for my services in the jury. $15!! That barely even covered my metro fare to get to/from the courthouse, and to buy my lunch each day. I had ZERO income during these 2 weeks. Thankfully I had a family member who was able to loan me enough money to pay my rent for the next month because I was completely broke. I greatly enjoyed my time actually being in the jury and experiencing how our justice system works, but the personal cost to me was not worth it at all. I've been summoned 2 more times since then and each time I've basically lied through my teeth to get the lawyers to strike me. If they want good people to serve, they need to compensate those people. So many people are just hourly employees at a company who does not offer pay for jury duty, and if they get stuck on a long trial, they are literally fucked.
@@reesaspieces86 Don't be too sure about that. Sometimes counsel is happy to have someone who understands procedure and evidence on the jury. I've served a couple of times since passing the bar, but more often than not you're right that we're more trouble than we're worth. Apparently lawyers want lawyers around about as much as functioning humans do.
"you can't do X for Y reason, but you can do X without a reason" is such a fundamentally self defeating system the US chooses to use over and over again
Prosecutors are highly incentivised to put as many innocent people in jail as possible. Honestly the system should force all prosecutors to be defenders half the time.
Devlin Morin I does not give incentives for putting in innocents in. And every lawyer has to work both prosecutors and defendants in there job. Look at the TH-camr Legal Eagle.
Actually, they’re not. The law firm my father works at emphasizes making sure that people who deserve it go to jail and people who don’t stay out. There is no punishment if the defendant is declared not guilty and no reward if they are guilty. Defense attorneys however, are made to keep their client out of jail whether their client is guilty or or.
The list of companies I've worked for and the list of companies I am surprised are still standing despite knowing most of the intricacies within it are one and the same.
@Jay Jay to be fair - in those cases the construction company is not in charge of the decisions - and there are plenty cases where those being selected skim money by either overcharging or using substandard materials governments love going for the either the lowest bidder or "a good friend" but thats why you need controls on that... inspections on each major stage of the build for example or if for example a software is being comissioned - have someone audit that software, for bugs, security holes, usability, maintainability... whatever your priorities are governments dont always have the expertise for things they need for the public infrastructure... but if they dont, they REALLY need to check and doublecheck the results of what they get
@@SharienGamingWhat happens a lot in the UK when the government "puts a contract out to tender", as the process is described here (translation: invites any private enterprises to bid for the contract) is that they will choose the lowest bidder to start with. But that lowest bidder will have usually deliberately under-estimated how much it will actually cost to do whatever the contract requires, just so that they can be the lowest bidder in order to secure the contract. However, the truth of this will not be revealed right away - they will wait until they have started work and done at least 50% of the job, and then crawl back to the government claiming that they have run out of money and cannot complete the job unless they are paid more. What should happen at that point is for the government to politely but firmly tell them to fuck off and get back to work - either complete the work as the contract requires, or if for any reason they can't or won't do that, take them to court for breach of contract. Where if found guilty, the punishment should be a fine, which should at absolute minimum be equal to whatever their original bid was plus the legal cost of taking them to court. Then choose a different private enterprise to do the job. That is not what ever happens though - or at least I can't remember a single example of that having happened in the last 30 years or so. What typically happens is some fuckwit government minister falls for the classic "sunk cost fallacy" and throws good money after bad, essentially giving in to the contractors demand that they be paid extra in order to get the job finished. From 1999 until 2018, there was a major company in the UK known as Carillion, which had basically been operating almost entirely in the manner described above, making an industry worth £Billions (allegedly) by consuming the majority of construction contracts with the government. They got away with this behaviour for almost 20 years partially due to a steady stream of private finance initiative (PFI) contracts with the UK government (in which fraudulent accounting practices were commonplace), and partially because they had political support and/or political cover from the two main parties which controlled the government during that time. This was enabled by the co-operation of a decidedly dodgy (aka aggressive and/or creative) accounting firm. It was basically a political and financial house of cards, which collapsed in spectacular fashion in 2017/2018.
And using a voice changer so they can't exclude people who "sound black", or using written answers to the questions. Obviously ideally we would just have prosecutors who aren't racist, but that's not happening for a while.
@@davidhollenshead4892 Good question, I'm thinking you have a separate qualified person confirm it is them by looking at them and their ID. Could cause some issues but overall I think an idea like this could be figured out.
@@davidhollenshead4892 that is a real issue. While those 11 cats will probably live to be of age, they'll be even less likely to care in their senior years about the humans issues.
I think that's fair. If you're a political activist you're a bajillion times more likely to take a stance based on your political ideal, rather than the facts of the case and the law.
@@korenn9381 But what if your activism is something that would never come up? Like for example lgbt activism in a case where that isn't a factor. Or even something as unrelated as climate activism which would never come up.
FumbleSquid Lawyers regularly perform character assassinations during trials. Knowing one of the jurors cares strongly about something they might try and twist the facts to get to some, even if it has nothing to do with the case.
When I was in the police academy we had a detective start his class with "is it ok to profile?" We all looked around until one guy said "no...?" To which the detective responded "of course we profile! The same people you assume are guilty, 90% of the time they on fact are guilty! The game is to figure out what they are guilty of at that instant you have them."
I’m Hispanic, in my early 20s and a college graduate, I’ve been summoned for jury duty twice and both times when I called the night before for instructions I was told that my group had been excused and didn’t need to show up. At the time I was relieved cuz I’ve heard jury duty is really boring but I’m beginning to wonder if my excuses were for nefarious reasons
It is excruciatingly boring. I bring an audio book (it can be noisy) and the last time was still allowed to bring knitting. That may too dangerous now but maybe needlepoint or embroidery could get through.
Right, or you weren't selected because only 0.03 percent of the adult US population serves on federal jury per year, and almost everyone selected your day for whichever court were also sent home. I'm not a POC and I never made it past the first cut 3 times. Must've been racism lol
@@boochrisboo Yep. And when you're there waiting and then it turns out you're dismissed real fast all of a sudden by lunchtime... that's usually the reason. Sometimes they tell the room before they dismiss them, sometimes not. Good ol' plea bargains.
How is this racism? It happens to caucasians all the time. If your a poor white male from the trailer park and your jury is all doctors and well off people like it is in my county the poor get screwed over while those with wealthy last names get let go.
Not only is this one of the greatest topics for him to talk about, such a fantastic issue, and the icing on the cake is his mention that it was technically a Race Card Card. So good. So happy.
It got old a long time ago. It isnt till you see him do an episode on something you are very familiar with that you notice how biased much of his reporting is. At least Jon Stewart wanted a better country but wasnt extremely negative 100% of the time. I am not sure people will want to keep viewing something like this, but hey, there seems to be an audience.
@@dev-nd8bf nothing good in America lol you're out of your mind. This is the greatest time for anyone in America. Maybe you would prefer the "good ol' days" when you could own the black people instead of just keeping them out of jury duty?
All he needs to do to get free HBO is set up an unlimited plan with Business Daddy. That got me the AT&T WatchTV app for free, HBO on there for free, and a free subscription to HBO Max. He’s got a good paying job. He can afford it.
@@dr.floridamanphd 1) that wouldnt be free. 2) all HBO workers should. E able to experience what they work hard to produce. Maybe john can afford it but maybe others cant
You're right! I (thankfully) forgot Politan's smarmy face used to be on my local news here in Atlanta. Guess HLN scrapped the barrel to give that gobber a time slot.
Sorry you guys, Vinny Politan is making big money and has his own six hour show on court TV. They got their own Facebook page and Twitter account with the blue checkmark. He is big-time national and even seen in Canada court TV host. It’s seen on cable and regular TV. It’s its own channel, court TV. Has its own Wikipedia account, And Vinnie Politan is the star. He’s also a juvenile diabetic type one insulin-dependent since age 14. And I watch court TV and he has a panel of experts, Vinny is always the moderator. And they go over the George Floyd case with the four Minnesota cops that are now on trial and he always says what happened to George Floyd was horrible and he knows it’s a systemic problem. So maybe he’s going with the flow? Mostly his panel of experts are black cops and black lawyers and he has Hispanic female lawyers on his panel of experts. Or do you think he has changed for the better?But I definitely will look at him differently after seeing tonight show and your comments.
Vinnie....yrs ago, at gay conversion camp, when Vinnie split our groups up into....Real Americans ( White) and Others......me and others spoke up. He was mad. Next thing I know these people in hoods came up and made us pray. I guess he was short on time because not only did we pray, but we also lit the Cross on fire....I guess it's faster than making a fire in the pit. Anyway, after we learned about the REAL America, and how FOX News is the only real news, how Trump was chosen by God, I felt better.
We have juries, just not as many or as widely overused as in the US. In Denmark juries are only used if either side demands it, cases where more than 1 year of prison sentence is possible, or on appeals.
I think juries are a great idea, if done correctly and without prejudice. Not saying that's happening now, but better a jury of my peers than a single person who is NOT immune to bias.
Step 1: Ensure that EVERY citizen eligible to vote is registered as a voter. Step 2: Use those lists to select jurors. Step 3: Remove Peremptory Challenges so that there has to be a proper reason for a juror to be dismissed. Step 4: Justice is now closer?
The problem is you have to make not showing up for jury duty a punishable offense or else people will just continue to not show up, but then that creates a whole other set of problems.
So basically Germany. Or most of the european countries. And we abandoned the whole jury thing at all and encourage people to be voluntary co-judges to trials. They get some education for it they are supervised by judges and they decide toghether with the judge. In the whole process education and knowledge is highly valued. So you will not be judged by hilbilly joe but by trained professionals and trained volunteers who know their stuff. And of course you don't have to register for voting, you just get a notice by mail where to go and show up.
@@Frost5al True, but some of the issue is that people, especially those of low income, have a hard time getting there and with the loss of income. Something as important as Jury duty should have at least a $15/hr wage. It should realistically also have a refund system IF you used public transport to get to/from the court, but I suspect that would be too "socialist" for most of ya'll!
The statistical odds of the largest black and Hispanic communities being the only ones omitted from these lists are almost zero. These “mistakes” are 100% on purpose.
Well it is possible that no one thought about the fact that most black people live in an area that is on the back end of the alphabet. Especially for the guy making the code, it is very possible that he had no idea about the demographics, and the people who ordered it decided this was good enough.
or perhaps the show concentrated on the black cases. for example, that error with the 10000 names was most likely the guy programming it going "there are less than 10000 people here, so I'll make the loop 10000 long." without thinking about what happens when there are more people moving to the area/being born. The statistical odds that these communities are the only ones omitted from these lists are almost zero, that's correct. So we would need to look if they actually *are*. Those mistakes are quite possibly actual mistakes. Of course, whenever a human is in the loop we can't be certain that there weren't any biases, but the first selection via computer probably isn't intentional. If it's a company, then it's extremely unlikely, since they don't have any interest in being racist, since it would only terminate their contracts in the long run. And for the college student who worked at a headshop I'd say he is unlikely to have the most conservative/racist views.
Actually a college student should well be able to programm such a tool. However, as you never know how proficient a stundent is, there should always be a senior developer reviewing it.
Not even that, a developer in cases like this should be nothing more than the person assembling bricks into the design of an architect. Someone with domain knowledge should give the specifications.
John Oliver's show is so much better without his studio audience. Late night tv hosts left and right have been struggling to pad out their shows during the pandemic, but John Oliver has used the silence to plow through the content like an angry diabetic demolishing the crab leg tray at an all you can eat buffet. It's equal parts mesmerizing and intense.
put attention in his shows with audience, he never takes a break, he talks through the laughs
What a beautiful word-picture you paint...
@@Javier.M. Definitely. Though I remember how his pacing was during the beginning, when he started doing the shows by himself. Those unnatural pauses were a byproduct of the comic's natural habit of waiting for the laughs after jokes, but he got so much better over the past few months. It's so solid and tight.
I am diabetic but sorry, I crack the crab legs for my wife.😂😂
It took a while for me to get pass a audience. I still love to hear the crowd reaction to his jokes and one-liners.
80% of the time I watch Oliver is just me going "I didn't even know this was an issue, but wtf?"
Crazy, right?! I do love that the best we got is an England Native Comedian for us to point out how fucked up we are.
Same and im black
That's actually the very reason I watch his show: to laugh, of course, but also to become educated.
This new immigrant got it.
Dont get too involved. Scrollin through 5k comments and findin that one crazy person who knows something about some senator in my district. The rabbit holes will take you to some crazy places. Lol
As a Danbury native, I am shocked and appalled that you'd mention our railway museum, but not the 50 ft tall monstrous Uncle Sam statue in front of it. We deserve to get thrashed for that alone.
Careful what you wish for ! With John Oliver's penchant for running jokes, now I feel a sequel coming :p
I'm from Danbury too. He hates it because of the Railway museum and the falling down castle?
I actually paused to go through the comments - what the hell has it done to John that he is so angry at Danbury? 😂
@@frizzlethecat2084 are you truly unable to understand this????? Wow. Just wow.
i dont even know where your state is!
John Oliver: They don't even give me free HBO and I'm actively ruining it.
Me: Which is why I support you on TH-cam
Same, but I'm not sure TH-cam is the high ground you or I want
Yepppp
And it’s wicked expensive
John referred to the last letter of the alphabet as "zee" and not "zed".
He has truly become an American.
My heart sank when he said that....his transformation is complete.
He pronounced zebra the American way too :(
@@allyjay2214 I didn't even notice...oh my
The inventors of English declared it to be "zed". So the correct pronunciation is "zed".
I'm sorry can someone explain?
“You dont want smart people” is the most American thing I've ever heard
Reminds me of Trump: "I love the poorly educated"
Not having smart people on the jury, pretty much eliminates most all Trump supporting right wingers!
@@nightlightabcd you may want to read your comment again.
no "race card" is the most american things ever
Judging by the last two elections that seems to be simply the American way.
It's astonishing how many episodes show private companies taking part in something the private sector should have no business in
You mean to say that basing the judicial and medical systems off of capitalistic principles was a bad idea and that personal gain might be a motive to corrupt said systems to create personal wealth rather than solving the problems they were supposed to solve?
@@kristianjensen5877 pretty much yeah, although in this case it's not as flagrant as in other episodes, the one that sticked with me the most was standarized testing tbh
@@makiiavely Huh, I wasn't aware of that particular problem. Thanks for pointing it out, I need to look into that.
makiiavely capitalism kinda sucks
@@ahyan14 Yep, but it seems to be a better way of governing a society than anything that has come before it up until now.
American capitalism seems especially anti-human though.
I really wish people would remember that Indigenous peoples exist and very much deserve to not be totally ignored. Every stat about black Americans is even more true for Indigenous Americans, and I really wish the two would join together in the fight, because they share common experiences.
Very much so, but that's an even bigger mess that they're probably holding on to for a future episode. Something like "Remember all the ways the justice system is stacked against people of colour? We focused mainly on african americans, but tonight, let's discuss just how much *worse* it all somehow is for native americans."
@@Archgeek0 it would take way way longer... I'm Canadian and am so shocked at how little even leftists mention indigenous people in America.
Indigenous Americans don’t vote Democrat like black people do so nobody cares
So true!! The show would be a great place to discuss the issue of missing indigenous women.
@Scruff Looking Nerve Hurter so you think that the 15th century Indians whipped out the 13th century Indians with guns and small pox and by killing off their food, denying them access to jobs and currency, and restricting their movements?
You know we have a general idea about the populations of North and South America going back about 20,000 years right? There is no evidence of war to the scale of the Viking invasion of England . Thinks skirmishes between Scottish clans and not Braveheart.
John Oliver is the only host who has managed to cope with no audience without sounding completely awkward
Same guy and I can do my own moment of laughter lol
Except for the fact they edit videos and are left biased. Wish we had an unbiased comedy political show
Yeah, first couple of shows after the switch were a bit awkward, but since then he has really hit his stride. Not needing to pander to a live audience has made his show sharper than ever.
Because it's the truth.
Chef Joel Carpenter ok...
1) whaT does a shows political leaning have to do with the competence of its host?
2) a 100% politically unbiased comedy show would still be shitting on corruption, big corporations, and trump bc those things are objectively terrible
"Private companies can be surprisingly unreliable." Its not a surprise anymore at this point, John.
Was it ever a surprise to the truly 'woke' person?
Yep. And the point of contracting out to private companies is to make public processes and services opaque and unaccountable. They rarely ever save money either. And any lowest bid contractor that manages to do it is practically guarantied to be less reliable than the public system they replaced.
Yet capitalism in intrinsically reliable with emphasis on private companies.
@AXioS TraLLö no man, no it's not. It always excluded a good portion of people and we are now seeing the ruins of capitalism in real time again (plenty of people have seen it for hundred of years and know it for many generations they actually know.) Capitalism works as a theory in a bubble the same way communism does, with almost the exact same pitfalls - just within different systems.
I think the surprisingly in there is meant to be ironic at this point.
My mother was once on a jury for a trial where they were trying to convict a woman of "assault with a deadly weapon" for throwing a lit cigarette at a cop, and there was an advocate for police officers on the jury, they ended up with a hung jury because the police advocate insisted the defendant was guilty of assault with a deadly weapon
I'm glad they weren't convicted!
Poor job by the defending attorney not to exclude that person from the jury I'd say.
@@TimoRutanen we're pretty sure that person just carefully didn't mention their profession to the defense attorney, because technically no one asked if they were a police advocate, though they may have been asked if they were a police officer or related to a police officer
@@eleahflockhart Certainly. But I'd think it's within the attorney's skillset to detect weaselry. Things do fall through the cracks too of course.
Can do you one better with one of my jury times. Defendant had the deadly weapon assault charge because cop stood in the middle of street yelling "stop" and the defendant kept marching forward with his wheelbarrow. Cop: big, beefy guy. Defendant: scrawny, old 95lb weakling. Verdict: not guilty. Jury not at all happy having to go through 3 days of hearings on a bogus charge.
As a software developer, I feel like a broken record but I'll say it again: please please please stop putting all of your trust in software. Don't get me wrong, there's lots of smart people in the field that are doing amazing things. But it's a relatively new field compared to say medicine or architecture. We pretty much have no universally enforced standards we have to adhere to (so it's really just the honor system), lots of people get into the field thinking that it's "easy" and they can just a throw script together and call it a day, and a lot of the people hiring us don't know shit about computers nor realize you can't just hire somebody halfway through their computer science degree and expect them to know what they're doing.
Software can help and do a lot of great things. But for godsake keep some goddamn humans in the loop. /endrant
As someone in the early stages of learning Python, don't let me near anything critical. _Anything_. I can barely use command prompts, let alone knowing how a bigger system works. Shit's hard yo.
Computer programming is only barely younger than the invention of aspirin.
@@BonDieu617 good luck on your studies! Please don't take my ornery rant as discouragement; we need lots of good programmers, and you'll get there. Just takes practice:)
I don't know shit about computer science, but it's similar to conversations I've had with people about math, specifically those who say two calculators who have different answers to the same problem are both correct. Calculators and other machines are not infallible sources of information - it depends on who programs it. A calculator that gives you the wrong answer doesn't mean that answer is 'technically' right depending on the methodology to solve it - it's just wrong because the programmer made a mistake. Humans making the software make mistakes, some minor and others disastrous.
In Australia we have a paper ballot and full chain of custody over all paper ballots. It works very efficiently. Unfortunately we have just started experimenting with on-line vote casting, which I think is retrograde for the reasons you outline.
“You dont want smart people”. I see a historical trend here.
Probably one of the most American sentences of all time
@RoD It’s worst than that. They don’t want educated black people, which implicitly means they don’t want smart black people.
Kenudice they don’t want smart people period. Not even smart white people.
A certain Austrian warlord was okay with smart people, as long as they were smart enough to play ball. Lawyers don't like Engineers in engineering cases because they have too much sway and are more likely to go outside the facts of the case.
Big shocker that they are avoiding people who have a better understanding of an evidence based approach to answering questions.
I am in my late 30s with a B.S. in Chemical Engineering. Forget being dismissed from a jury pool, I have never even been called to one, and I have had a car registered in my name and been registered to vote my entire adult life. Until I saw this segment today, I had kind of forgotten that jury duty was even a thing I could potentially be called for.
This show should be called "America is more racist than you think with John Oliver."
It's very informative for me as a non-american.
yeah, that said this whole year being only centered on racism issues may become a bit triing. i know it's important but don't let that become the only thing you talk about.
"America is EVEN more racist than you think"
there you go.
@@Lapantouflemagic0 Normal people dont get tired of discussing racism.
As an American I’m always surprised by people who don’t know how racist we are.
Saying that it is just racist is like an over-simplification: America seems like a place where poor or disadvantaged people, but even the whole population in general, are constantly and systematically exploited to various extents, with the approval of the government and the laws, who seem to defend the right of anyone to be exploited by whoever has more power and money. And they call that "freedom".
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When you go into court you are putting your fate into the hands of twelve people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty"
Norm Crosby
LOL , JUST what I was thinking
@Jon O That and skewed to the liberties of the rich
@Jon O Well, the jury system makes it not a judicial thing anymore, but a "who can make the biggest song and dance act to wow the audience" thing.
That's my biggest gripe with a judicial system based on jury verdicts and sentencing.
Plus, they made a joke about it on TBBT about "jury of your peers", but if you're one of the smartest (or dumbest) people in the world, how can others be your peer in this matter?
@@1972LittleC "peers" refer to literally everyone, because we're all equal in the eyes of the law. That's the point mate ;)
@@christofferrasmussen6533 In that case, why can't people be judged by 2 or 3 people who actually studied law (and presumably ethics) and to this for a job, instead of 10-20 random people who may or may not have studied at all
"our algorithm to select random jury members is a trade secret" lol wtf? It's a democratic process so the way it's done just cannot be a secret, and the best way to do it is pretty much just entirely randomly.
@Zachary Morris depends how far you wanna drive "peers". Are they supposed to be "average, regular citizens like you" or are they supposed to be your buddies from around the corner and people from your chat groups with the same whatever trait makes you a minority (making it a jury not representing the whole of society at all)? Also, still, it should not be a secret. Making it a secret means it can be rigged.
@@marnes5575 I think he just means representative, so if 30% of the people in your state are one race then 30% of the jury should be that, something along those lines. Although I also hate to see how they seem to hate educated people and seem intent on it being made up of 100% less well educated/more impressionable people
@@asneakychicken322 well I hope "representative" considers more factors than only ethnicity then. I suppose you'd want to have specific selection algorithms then if you want to avoid statistical outliers resulting in unrepresentative juries, since a random selection would only be representative on average. But then the algorithm still shouldn't be a secret, that's just crazy.
Im late to this video but you're right, itd literally be better if they did a fucking raffle lol
@@asneakychicken322 which randomness would cause most of the time to happen (with ofcourse a spread)
There is an overarching theme to all these stories: in the USA private companies are somehow called up to manage and oversee all these programs/systems. Spoiler alert: they do it for profit, not for the greater good
You really meant to say they do it for as much profit as possible and who cares if its an absolute crap program resolts
Yeah... Alberta, Canada is similar with a lot of things. Not as wild and unregulated but the private sector handles most things.
Let me be clear...do you think a country founded by slave owners are "good" people? Jesus H Christ. Stop being dumb and get with the program that American HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS way. We simply hid it with our "exceptionalism" and media environment.
It’s called capitalism.
Keenan Thomas a lot of countries don’t let private companies run prisons for profit, or pay doctors to prescribe a certain drug, or handle jury summoning. The USA for some reason allows all of these things. Sure there’s corruption everywhere, but I’ve never seen it as bad anywhere else.
John: "How do you ask anyone so many questions about anything"
Me: Remembering the questions about the "race card" card...
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@@bostonharmon6540 I only counted 18, but it was hard to tell where one question ended and the next started
Yes but it is a race card how many race cards do you ever see in your lifetime?
"Algorithms are a trade secret" yeah because the execution of our constitutional rights should always be a secret.
Tate Beavers yes this really startled me. How can this be? this is probably the most egregious form of censorship I have yet to encounter when looking into the context of how we get our info through big tech. The trade secret argument is absurd because that argument only really applies when there is true competition. Digital media is completely a conglomerate. Five media companies own all outlets. There is no real competition, so who is it a secret from? The trade secret is an exemption allowing nondisclosure to help keep a business competitive. It all sounds very wrong.
annnnnnnd Voting too. repubs wanted to privatize everything since Reagan. This is what we got. private prisons too. private security forces. "vouchers" for private schools... time for them to get fucked and pay up * Transparency is the goal to help the real goal
@@jschuler53 I really don't even think it's because of competition. Companies just don't want to admit how much they've screwed it all up through negligece or outright intentional design.
it seems so absolutely ridiculous that the government isn't using open source software for crucial tasks such as voting machines, jury selection and more
proves that capitalism is an enemy to democracy
I love that accepts and jokes about that he looks like an owl. I'm not saying he does but it's genuinely heart warming
I didn't really get the whole bird comparison that he kept going on about until I realized that instead of just nodding his head, he bobs his whole upper body. That definitely reminds me of birds.😁🐦🦉🐧
He also has a large nose, which reminds people of a beak. It's hard to tell from head-on, but his profile explains why people say he's a variety of fowl. I never noticed the body-bobbing thing, but now I can't unsee it, so thanks for that! 🤣
Oops! We 'misplaced' the lists of all the black and latino people living in the area.
Ranked 2nd most used excuse just after:"The Dog ate my Homework."
In every town, in every district, in every county, in every state...
Just a _minor_ glitch in the system 😉
What makes me scoff is the use of "proprietary" to protect the code. This is stuff at the level of a first year undergraduate. The data sources are where the value is, not the shuffling of a list.
Oops! All Whites
OOPSY POOPSY! Guess I went and forgot all the minorities but that’s okay right? We still have all these fine people wearing MAGA hats who are staring with hate and vitriol at the black defendant. This should still be okay to do!
John Oliver makes me laugh harder than anyone else while providing education. He's my fav tv personality
And hence they took down Hasan Minaz - Duh, The Race Card proven .
"they don't even give me free HBO, even though I'm actively ruining it."
No, John, you're carrying it.
i mean, hbo actually makes some great content in general. ive lately come to trust it more than netflix for quality shows
That's why he's so swole. After Game of Thrones ended badly, John is doing all the heavy lifting.
@@DarkLorddReviews game of what, now?
Him an the shows excellent writers
@@badvideosto Well said, man. John Oliver himself keeps saying the writers deserve all/most of the credit.
What kind of "programmer" hears "randomised selection" and thinks "I'll just sort the list alphabetically and start selecting from A until we have enough names". And to think this person is out there in the world, ruining code wherever they touch it.
That's really the most interesting take-away from this story, because the revelation that America's jury selection systems are often privately operated and are full of racial bias is really utterly unsurprising. I could hope that it might get fixed but let's face it, it probably won't. Can't let the Poors have too much of a say in who's running things, they might elect the wrong corrupt pollie.
A lazy and inexperienced programmer. I think John said it was revealed the code had been written by a part time college student.
You guys are falling for the blame the programmer trap oh my God. These were deliberate actions the programmer did as he was instructed duh.
@@cchoi108
So many "accidental" omissions. It really is a bit hard to swallow.
Yeah, there are TONS of algorithms for doing things randomly. Wind Waker ran on 2001 recreational game hardware, and its randomness was cracked, but even its randomizer would be better than that if they didn't start with the same seed value each time.
Ive only taken one programming class in matlab nonetheless and i could do better than that. It's hard to believe it wasn't intentional to some extent
The whole “90% of African American neighborhoods were accidentally left out” can’t possibly be an accident. I would understand a few percentage points but over 90% is definitely deliberate
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90% of African American neighborhoods? So neighborhoods where blacks are predominate? Like say a Bronx Jury. Let's not mention that segregation of races is the issue, because I'm sure there would be none that would be against predominantly white, or Asian, or Middle Eastern neighborhoods that have a problem with diverse juries
I know.... It's almost like there is systematic means in place to keep afri. Amer. Struggling in several different ways
The issue at play here is simple and it has far less to do with race than you might think and than he makes out. Lets take a look at a sample county: I'm more familiar with Broward county in Florida than anywhere else so I'll use that to prevent a massive man hunt of research. Broward county is 30% African american. There is a population distribution map that places the vast majority of African Americans in a city called sunrise (google [sad as this sounds] "Where do blacks live" and zoom in on the map I don't even want to know why that is called that but thats another fight, broward is just north of miami). Sunrise is described by 6 zip codes that while not consecutive are, save for one, all within ten ish of each other going from 33313 through 33326 with an outlier of 33351. So basically a bad bit of code that skipped 33320 through 33326, would drastically reduce the number of African american selectmen. Thats 6 zip codes out of 53, and its incredibly easy to do accidentally. For instance Sunrise is comprised of 6 non sequential zip codes: 33313, 33322, 33323, 33325, 33326, 33351. Anyone selected in those zips gets sent to sunrise courts. So you build in a filter that builds that out so that they get assigned the right court house and so on. Well you can't select the zips sequentially 33313-33351 you'll send people who are in other cities to the wrong place. So you tell it for zips with 333 and either 1 (and 3) or 2 (and 2 or 3 or 5 or 6) or 5 (and 1) send to sunrise. Then you forget to close a parenthesis or add a digit, or you get the logic backwards and subtract that set from it, and suddenly everyone in that area isn't being summoned for jury duty. Its a common mistake to make and remember this is an under paid coder in the basement of the building somewhere tasked with debugging hundreds of thousands of lines of code just for this simple selection. I'm not saying it wasn't deliberate, but I am saying that its a farther stretch to think it was rather than to think it was a ghost in the machine that resulted in a grievous wrong.
@@presidentialcampaignmusic1018 Then he has never been on a jury in San Antonio. It was 70% Hispanic with about 10% who didn't speak English. I know because I had to translate for them to fill out their paperwork.
Again, my point is racial makes up changes in different areas. You're more likely to have more black jurors in Baltimore than you would say Fargo. That's not racism, that's geographical.
John: "Private companies can be surprisingly unreliable."
Me: "How is THAT surprising?"
In relative terms, if something is more unreliable than most people would expect, then I think it's fair to call it surprising.
So in all white towns where the government is all white, you want the white government to be in charge of jury selection?
@@Rudyelf1 if you're concerned about under-representation of people of color in the governing bodies making decisions that impact people of color, i've some got alarming news for you about the racial makeup of the leadership of the for-profit companies governments contract to do that same work
He was being sarcastic
First Last aren’t companies faster to respond to boycotts and cancel culture and change as compared to entrenched politicians in secure districts?
Curtis Flowers has since been exonerated and freed. The prosecutor had to recuse himself from the impending seventh trial due to his relentless pursuit becoming a conflict of interest. No other prosecutor believed Flowers was guilty, and the "evidence" was highly questionable.
I've been called, but never selected. I've been told that they don't like scientists, we tend to follow facts rather than laws.
LMAO
Called twice, Jody. Dismissed both times. Had a friend tell me that when presenting DNA evidence they don’t like having jurors that understand the tech. Friend was assistant DA... I am a published molecular biologist. System is run by a-holes.
Who benefits from this crazy system? Or is just a playground for prosecutors and defenders to measure their dicks? There is better justice systems around the world, cant understand why modern america keeps this old and corrupt system. And I don't mean to diss americans, just sometimes wonder why they are so stubborn with their old ways
@@penttihirsus because we often have the attitude "if it was good enough for grandpa, it's good enough for me!" or they were told "this is the one true system" from someone they respect to the point of taking everything they say unquestioned.
@@penttihirsus What happens to a person convicted by an all white jury? They go to prison. Who is restricted from voting? Convicted felons.
My aunt has done jury duty 5 times. Her last name starts with an E. I'm 40 and I've never been called up. My last name starts with a W.
Whoa your aunt is the famous rapper E40?
That's a problem. I have a friend whose name begins with "S" and he got a jury summons, but they filled the number of jurors they wanted during his week of service before they got to "S".
I'm almost 40 and I've been called up for like 3 or 4 times and my last name starts with W. =/
@@raywhite7179 Well, sure, but you're White! (ba-dum-tss)
My last name starts with A and I got called for the first time last year. And I am 38. My other family members have all served, but somehow I was completely left out of the system for years until they announced they retooled the system to make it more fair.
Who's here after the announcement of the John Oliver Memorial Sewer Plant in Danbury?
I am :)
But it seems like it's just a tongue-in-cheek plug-in on Oliver's part.
If you are here because of this, min 06:05 😂😂😂😂
Yepper
@@Jan_Strzelecki Yeah, a bunch of people not realizing the joke is that hes going nuclear on a quaint, peaceful small town
Yup.
I once spent three days debating guilt or innocence in an intent-to-sell case. I couldn't figure out why it was taking so long until I found that a fellow juror didn't know what the charges were.
I got summoned for jury duty and when I realized I got paid 20$ a day I had to postpone because I couldn't miss that much work for such terrible pay. It's ridiculous that the pay isn't more. I understand that's not what this piece is about, and that black Americans have been disproportionately effected, but I just wanted to share my experience as well
I mean, that was one of the points that was brought up.
i was on a jury for 2 weeks and our pay was just $12.50 a day, we had to buy/bring our own food and pay $7.00 to park.
For wellfare cheecks, does that lower your wellfare?
@@everwhat013 that's crazy! Pretty much paying to be a civil servant. :(
@@webbowser8834 Sure, but it wasn't the main issue he was addressing in a majority of it.
Me never having watched "How to Get Away with Murder": Is......is that's not what it's about?
Same😂
He meant like and instructional real life series and not the fiction drama series it is
No. It's very misleading.
Bwahhhaha no that’s nick name for her law class where she teaches her student how to fight and win murder cases in a court of law.
@@RandomGlow444 But I thought there was actual murder on the show? Like one of those things where they are law students and then one of them actually is a murderer?
"private companies can be surprisingly unreliable"
you don't say!
that "surprisingly" surprised me
They can't even be trusted to consistently turn a profit, which is their primary reason to exist
I rather send my shit via UPS rather than USPS is all I'm saying
12:44 This "Race Card" bit is one of the best John Oliver moments ever! LOL!!
I wish he wouldve realized the then reporter now runs head at CourtTV as lead anchor. 🤣
A lot of minorities "accidentally" not included in jury pools. At some point, you have to admit it's on purpose.
We're well beyond that point. Now it's a question of "Whose purpose?"
Now think about the even scarier idea that its not on purpose and they really consider them that little.
So... Gerrymandering and red lining in jury duty. Not a surprise, honestly.
My thoughts exactly.
Yep
Everything is made to held the black man down in this country. I just came to the conclusion that it’s never going to change they just going to find anothers evil ways to do it.
@@ayo1959 They may never change their minds or are forever stuck in their ways, but they can still be beat, voted out, and/or be made irrelevant by them being removed from power or positions of influence. They will age out and eventually all die and it will then be up to us to fix or just completely redo our entire bigoted system.
Angel Valdez hopefully but I don’t think anytime soon
The entire jury system sounds so weird to me. Juries have not even studied the law and are allowed to make life changing decisions - sounds rly risky.
Yeah exactly. I'm from the Netherlands, and when I heard shows talk about "jury dury" I always expected it to be people who had at least studied law. But apparently not. It feels very weird to me, I mean, why would you need to have a law degree then? Just get the smoothest talkers as lawyers and the most gullible people as jurors, and then boooom racist prejudiced system.
The whole jury duty actually seems weird to me too. I get that the intention is to have a representation of the community that the defendant lives in but they probably don't have the legal expertise to judge things like this, especially white collar crimes where they pull off elaborate cons.
Here in India, we have one judge (or multiple judges) who passes the judgement but from the looks of it, it seems like in American courts, the judge is simply there to tell people what the jury agreed on.
That's... actually a solid ass point
Another silly requirement of jurors is that they are not familiar with the case, or the person, or anything about it. So that means you want people who so don't read the news, or are so poorly acclimated to culture as to not even know who Bill Cosby is, for example, or Michael Jackson, or OJ Simpson, or to have NEVER heard about the Casey Anthony case, which dominated every news channel in America for months before any trial dates were set.
It ensures you get the real cream of the persuadable crop. These uncontacted people would probably join the Jehovah's Witnesses if they came to their door.
Add an elected judge who didn't have study law either a prosecutor push to jail as many people for as long as he could regardless of the crime and a public defender who have to work 100 case a week and you have the US "justice" system
18:13 It's sad how most people hate jury duty and avoid it at all costs and yet this woman was perfectly willing and excited for it
John is being charitable when he uses the word “accidentally” in this segment...
On the software end, not charitable enough. Don't take this the wrong way, but America's computer science education program is a giant joke, and those jokes are often replaced by even less qualified jokes with a thick Indian accent and an H1B visa. TH-cam is more than a decade old and the development team still manages to periodically screw up the platform. "Well it runs and the video plays, so clearly the testing process is done."
Not charitable, he's refraining from making factually inaccurate statements which could get HBO sued.
Well there is no actual evidence that some of these aren’t indeed accidents, he said himself we don’t know if they are entirely accidental but he wants to refrain from saying statements that aren’t true. If he didn’t, it wouldn’t be news.
@@cerebraldreams4738 sure, but do you really believe these software errors "coincidently" affected majority black areas? Maybe one of these examples could be pure coincidence. But not all of them.
@@LK-qk8fm - They found 2 or 3 counties out of more than 3,000 in the United States that had these kinds of software issues. I'd be much more concerned about that prosecutor teaching other prosecutors to do illegal shit.
"We don't want smart people" The new national motto.
Trump "I love the uneducated"
Um, this surprises you? How many times have you been told to "get a life" when you volunteer a fact?
@@lazyhomebody1356 my favorite is "if you don't like it here, you can leave", as if our country has reached the zenith of social evolution. As if protesting and dissidence aren't cornerstones of our culture.
"new"
@@jeremytine it's almost just like these people take legitimate criticisms of their country as personal attacks because so much of their identity is tied up in living in "the greatest country in the world," because without that delusion they have nothing left to feel good about.
The mayor of Danbury CT named it’s sewage plant after you, because of this piece. Now you’re truly famous.
Why does he hate Danbury?
@@lachronic7821 I, too, was taken aback. I've always been a big fan of John Oliver but the way he lashed out at a town of 80,000 people who (at least as mentioned in the episode) haven't done anything to merit a "fuck you" made me wonder. I would assume if he's going to go off on a town like that, it would be because it had passed some discriminatory law, or its police force was doing something shady, or it had re-elected a convicted criminal as its mayor. All these things have happened in certain towns - but to my knowledge not in Danbury.
@@mdickinson It's definitely just friendly banter. The mayor of Danbury wouldn't name a building after Oliver if it was serious. I can imagine John Oliver/his staff talking to officials from Danbury and saying "Hey, is it cool if we trash talk your town in our skit?" and them responding with "Only if we get to do something funny in return"
And thus, Danbury named its new sewage plant after John Oliver. Not everything about 2020 needs to be doom-and-gloom, sometimes we just need to have some fun.
@@mdickinson it's a joke? Like come on, he only listed positive qualities about it?
That’s how you know he’s doing something right!
Me, about to watch a new Last Week Tonight video: Oh boy! What new thing am I going to hate today?
The notion that lawyers routinely reject educated people is absurd, evidenced by the fact that I always get selected.
Oh, wait a second. Shit...
Roflmao!!! I hollered when I read this. Best comment so far!
😂😂😂
Best. Comment. Ever! 😂
_Curb Your Enthusiasm theme_
You just made my day
I not only live in one of those cities in Connecticut where they weren't registered for jury duty, but the amount of shade he threw at Danbury cemented him as my favorite talk show personality.
😂I'd LoVe An explanation as to why the Danbury Shade was So satisfying... if ya care to share?🫖🍵😂
I got called up for jury duty. The case was "menacing with a machete." I was asked if I could be impartial and keep an open mind about a person who goes to a meeting carrying a machete. I said, quite honestly, "No." That was the end of my one and only jury duty experience.
I got selected once. Never got asked a single question. The guy absconded before the trial so i didn't get to actually sit through the trial.
This was an excellent execution of your civic duty. I applaud your honesty and self awareness.
It's one thing to bring a machete to a meeting... as a prop or story telling device... but "carrying it", to a business meeting doesn't seem entirely wise
My husband got asked what his occupation was and he said engineer. Prosecution immediatly struck him.
I been called up a few time, several of those I was in the military overseas. After I got out, I got the notice and with PTSD I dont do it
I've gotten called for jury duty a couple of times, two I had to waive as I was doing final exams, but the other two times I pretended to be a dumb, blond bimbo, got picked for a large drug possession case. Boi was the prosecutor mad when I could tell he picked me thinking I was dumb and I actually wasn't. lol We found him not guilty because I wouldn't budge. It was all circumstantial evidence anyway.
if this is true, good job. wish i was smart enough to pull that off.
You have inspired me! Never been picked (maybe my last name?) but if it ever happens...
That'll be useful. I can't hide my intelligence like that.
I would love to have been there to see the defendant’s face when y’all said “not guilty” lol.
This is what I would do, good job
I’m surprised he hasn’t covered the foster care system, yet.
Jesu Christi! 1.1k likes! My Biggus Dickus comment, ever!
65 % of Americans are born out of wedlock .
One clusterf**k at a time...
Stephanie Logan as someone who works for CPS, I wholeheartedly agree
Queen Diomedes of Thrace Apparently the people who aren’t married.
@Queen Diomedes of Thrace people who don't understand what real societal problems are
I'm liking this new "end with concrete solutions" thing. it's like a sexy little to-do list. thanks king
"With freedom and justice for all. (As long as you're white, and male, and straight, and a landowner, and rich, and don't wear clothes we don't like, and have the right name, and hair style)."
Also "Doesn't have a wierd dialect/accent"
Your more than welcome to leave. I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.
And are a Christian! (Or at least believe in a God)
Yes, you get all this freedom and justice in a land stolen from its people
@@augustgreig9420 You first.
"In selecting blacks, again, you don't want the real educated ones. You don't want smart people."
Cripes, I'm not even black and that was frigging infuriating.
But he said that counts for all races so thats not that bad...
... wait, thats mucht worse. Why dafuq you don't want smart people for jury?
Someone smart is more likely to attempt to go against the grain which bogs down the court proceedings. While also being a lot less predictable because they can hold a bias and be impartial it if the evidence shows something else. Overall it is just a massive waste of effort on the lawyers part which they would like to avoid if he already thinks he is going to win; since they probably have 2-3 more cases that same day.
@@flachzange1614 because a lawyers job is to serve his client regardless of right or wrong. Dumb people are more easily influenced, therefore increasing their chances of convincing them of the desired point of view. The whole idea of a jury is bull.
@raserianfald That role belongs to the judge and the jury. If you take on the case, your goal, minus using illegal methods, should be to win for your team/client or strike some sort of deal.
@raserianfald I agree, and there should be changes made to the legal system to reduce the amount of work placed on lawyers so that they can actually put in the time to really work through a case with an educated jury. Just look up what some public lawyers have for a workload.
I'm surprised there was no mention of Jelle's Marble Run finishing up their season sponsored by Last Week Tonight... shame
This was likely filmed prior to the closing ceremony being posted (I think they mentioned before that they film on Saturday mornings, but don't quote me on that)
perhaps it was mentioned in the "private" part of the show, as they only release part of it on yt
@@mariliaamando3940 I saw nothing on the full show.
@@snuffeldjuret aww too bad
i know someone mentioned this above, but i believe that they film the show one week prior, so mayb the next show? i think i remember watching one and he said that the results of something were going to come out in the next few days, but by the time the show came out the results were in. idk tho
I'm afraid, after some point John Oliver would say like "Screw these idiots, I'm going back to Britain!"
They are not in any better shape.......still Brexiting.
Nope. He talks shit about America, but he knows it is the best country in the world.
@@abiyoyo9831 WELL...
@@abiyoyo9831 Naah, it's not. Plenty countries here in Europe are better. Mine (Netherlands) included, although it's not the very best.
Edit 18/8 (the next day): I've said there are plenty European countries which are better than the US, and it, of course, always depends on the criteria you go by, but the criterion I'd use is pretty much where would you have the best chance at a healthy, happy, free life if you were a foetus who didn't get to choose their parent's socio-economic situation. The US has many possibilities for the rich, but most people aren't rich. Most people are hard-working normal people who barely get any vacation days, and if they do have more than average, it's not always encouraged that they use them all. The work-life balance is shit. Church is not very separated from the state which impacts freedom. Companies rule the country. It seems like Americans are treated as consumers first, citizens second. You get indoctrinated from a young age to think you're living in the greatest country in the world, which I could imagine makes people complacent.
There are also great advantages. There's amazing healthcare for those who can afford it. There's a lot of gorgeous nature. Some of the best music was created there. There's a lot of diversity in ideologies. If you want to live in a hippy commune, there's probably multiple places to choose from and if you're a super religious nut-job, there's places to live with like-minded people as well. I'm not saying it's a terrible country to live in. It's quite a special country. Most people in the world have it worse. There are just better places out there is all I'm saying.
If you're not rich, I'd go for a better work-life balance, more time with family, and a healthier life in another country.
I'd like to add New Zealand to the list also. I'd say it's probably better than the US too.
@@abiyoyo9831 by which criteria?
That owl defendant picture is a masterpiece.
haahahahahahahah
I agree with that....it's really great
That owl is definitely guilty!
Hear, hear!
@@SGGCREATIVES google "the owl Theorie" and "Staircase"
I'm really impressed how long the USA is in working condition without falling apart with all the things which are completely wrong!
We are not in working condition, we're declining empire going into a failed state. Once the millions of people become homeless and start to starve, mass riots will begin. Who knew decades of bad leaders and bad policies from a rigged system would do such a thing. Cough Cough Rome... What is odd the two strongest empires in world U.S.S.R and the U.S. collapses after going to war with Afghanistan.
@@directstrike2397 Yes, but alot of these problems are since decades...
It's going well for a small portion, namely the extremely wealthy. Not so much for minorities or the working class living pay check to pay check.
@@directstrike2397 It has to do more with corruption probably. Rome was probably from a combined corruption and nepotism with a mix of lunacy?
It's because USA didn't have any neighbor conflicts/immediate danger. That's why American movies have it to be popular. Only advantage of immediate danger is citizens remain more united & patriotic.
Sooooo, you haven't objectified Adam Driver in a while.
👀 (🎥: Holidate)
As a non-American, this show is my weekly dose of "WTF is wrong with your country?"
As an American this show is a weekly dose of”WTF” is wrong with “my” country
I wish we had a John Oliver in Germany - there is plenty of stuff going wrong here, too.
@@lenkacfk7155 We had Böhmermann who did things like that once in a while...
As a non-American temporarily living in Germany, I watch this to see 'WTF wrong with America' and then etrapolate it to relate to 'Can this happen in my country of origin'. Some of the stuff from JO like authoritarianism, bitcoins, multilevel marketing , vaccines etc are applicable to India too, especially when one of my friends (who holds a PhD in a scientific field) recently raised a question on requirements of vaccines.
I get to sit here and say “WTF is wrong with my country?” and “When can I leave? I need a break!”
1980s America be like "We don't want smart people".
2016: Wish granted.
You stuck in 2016 or am I missing something?
@@xXLanyuzAnlunXx 2016 is the year, the orange guy was elected my friend
Phloat Wireless
2016 was the start of the nightmare
@@cezarcatalin1406 haha i knew i was missing something.. thanks
My neighbor tried to join up with the police and was told he scored too high on the IQ test. This is true.
With a college degree, I've not been selected in 30 years. Way to go Floriduh!
Maybe because you think that you having a college degree means you should have been chosen over or instead of the people who have been picked for the last thirty years is a good reason that you haven't been picked.
@@jcn91 That was merely an observation adding to the credibility of the argument that ppl with a degree are avoided in the search for potential jurors. it's not better or worse thing, it's a 3-decades of personal experience thing.
Oh, how I love the "I'm so glad I'm European show"...
For Canadians is "what the crazy downstairs neighbours are up to this week?"
Y'all still have a bunch of Nazis over there, I wouldn't get too comfortable if I were you
PREAAAAAACH
....but also I fucking live here now and I just....I made a mistake
Please save me from this country. I really don’t want to live here anymore
@@penname8441 just let them feel good. Do you desire others to be sad?
"Private companies are unreliable." Yep.... Also, The sky is blue, John Oliver looks like a toucan, and life is cruel and depressing.
I never got the "John looks like a toucan" joke. toucans look really majestic
😂 Yes.
Looks more like a hornbill than a toucan to me.
Pretty sure he voices the toucan in the new lion king remake
Nicholas Jon Skowronski That’s a Von see decken’s hornbill in the remake. Toucan’s are found in South America not Africa.
One of the best/worst lines was: “We struck him because he’s a Mason, and we didn’t want someone that’s part of a secret organization”
To which the Defense said “he’s a carpenter and bricklayer, not a Freemason”
But the judge still allowed him to be struck 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
The court should not abide in any structure made by bricklayers and carpenters. Too much risk.
@@adamamborski165 agreed. We need to go back to the good old days when we held court in thatched grass huts
Uneducated idiots exist everywhere. In the UK a group attacked a doctor because they thought pediatrician sounded alot like pedophile. I'd never want to be judged by a jury of my "peers".
Edit: Got to correct myself. Checked it again. Seems like the "attack" was just grafitti.
I would've responded that the Masonic logo and motto are on the dollar bill. I were a Mason which, which I am not, shouldn't that qualify me for jury duty even more?
The only jury summons I’ve ever received was in Houston, I’ve had legally moved out of Houston over 12 years before that
I’ve only been summoned twice-each time was by a state I had moved away from a while prior. If I’m ever summoned in the future, as a current law student and future lawyer, I will never be selected.
I got a summons for jury duty in Portland the very day I was moving to Oklahoma.
I got summoned about a year after I got my driver's license after moving to a big city on the west coast. I had never been summoned anywhere else I had lived in the 10 years I had been an eligible adult at the time. I was poor at the time, living paycheck to paycheck, and barely able to cover my rent each month. I didn't want to go because I literally couldn't afford to miss any work.
Well, the jury summons has a lot of language about repercussions if you fail to appear to your summons (you can delay it up to 6 months, but then you have to go) so I decided to do it. Legally, my work couldn't reprimand me in any way as far as firing me or letting me go for not being able to work for however long the trial lasted. However, they were also not required to pay me, or schedule me to work in the evenings after I had served jury duty for the day.
The lawyers (on both sides) during jury selection stated that they didn't expect the trial to last longer than a few days. It was a civil case that they thought wouldn't take long to sort out, I guess.
I was, of course, selected for the jury as I was one of the few people who could actually speak fluent English (funny how all of the Hispanics I was chatting with before jury selection suddenly developed a broken-English accent when talking to the lawyers, those cheeky bastards).
Well to make my long story a little shorter, the damn trial lasted for 2 weeks! My work scheduled me a grand total of two 6-hour shifts during those 2 weeks, and the city only paid me $15/day for my services in the jury. $15!! That barely even covered my metro fare to get to/from the courthouse, and to buy my lunch each day. I had ZERO income during these 2 weeks.
Thankfully I had a family member who was able to loan me enough money to pay my rent for the next month because I was completely broke.
I greatly enjoyed my time actually being in the jury and experiencing how our justice system works, but the personal cost to me was not worth it at all. I've been summoned 2 more times since then and each time I've basically lied through my teeth to get the lawyers to strike me.
If they want good people to serve, they need to compensate those people. So many people are just hourly employees at a company who does not offer pay for jury duty, and if they get stuck on a long trial, they are literally fucked.
@@reesaspieces86 Don't be too sure about that. Sometimes counsel is happy to have someone who understands procedure and evidence on the jury. I've served a couple of times since passing the bar, but more often than not you're right that we're more trouble than we're worth. Apparently lawyers want lawyers around about as much as functioning humans do.
"you can't do X for Y reason, but you can do X without a reason" is such a fundamentally self defeating system the US chooses to use over and over again
Prosecutors are highly incentivised to put as many innocent people in jail as possible. Honestly the system should force all prosecutors to be defenders half the time.
Devlin Morin I does not give incentives for putting in innocents in. And every lawyer has to work both prosecutors and defendants in there job. Look at the TH-camr Legal Eagle.
@datboi ... so making a more equitable and just system is a liberal thing then?
#fuckingoverthejusticesystemtoowntheliberals
Actually, they’re not. The law firm my father works at emphasizes making sure that people who deserve it go to jail and people who don’t stay out. There is no punishment if the defendant is declared not guilty and no reward if they are guilty.
Defense attorneys however, are made to keep their client out of jail whether their client is guilty or or.
Sure, they are constantly cheating, faking evidence, hiring fake witnesses etc because they DON'T care about their W/L record.
Pretty sure John Oliver has a segment on how incentivized prosecutors are somewhere.
John: Private companies can be surprisingly unreliable
Me: surprisingly??
Considering it's John, that was probably sarcasm.
The list of companies I've worked for and the list of companies I am surprised are still standing despite knowing most of the intricacies within it are one and the same.
☹️😗Oh Mario that’s tough.
Private companies are generally the WORST choice for anything public or infrastructural. At this point it's not surprising as much as expected.
@Jay Jay to be fair - in those cases the construction company is not in charge of the decisions - and there are plenty cases where those being selected skim money by either overcharging or using substandard materials
governments love going for the either the lowest bidder or "a good friend"
but thats why you need controls on that... inspections on each major stage of the build for example
or if for example a software is being comissioned - have someone audit that software, for bugs, security holes, usability, maintainability... whatever your priorities are
governments dont always have the expertise for things they need for the public infrastructure... but if they dont, they REALLY need to check and doublecheck the results of what they get
Def def def! Same here in UK.
@@SharienGamingWhat happens a lot in the UK when the government "puts a contract out to tender", as the process is described here (translation: invites any private enterprises to bid for the contract) is that they will choose the lowest bidder to start with. But that lowest bidder will have usually deliberately under-estimated how much it will actually cost to do whatever the contract requires, just so that they can be the lowest bidder in order to secure the contract. However, the truth of this will not be revealed right away - they will wait until they have started work and done at least 50% of the job, and then crawl back to the government claiming that they have run out of money and cannot complete the job unless they are paid more.
What should happen at that point is for the government to politely but firmly tell them to fuck off and get back to work - either complete the work as the contract requires, or if for any reason they can't or won't do that, take them to court for breach of contract. Where if found guilty, the punishment should be a fine, which should at absolute minimum be equal to whatever their original bid was plus the legal cost of taking them to court. Then choose a different private enterprise to do the job.
That is not what ever happens though - or at least I can't remember a single example of that having happened in the last 30 years or so. What typically happens is some fuckwit government minister falls for the classic "sunk cost fallacy" and throws good money after bad, essentially giving in to the contractors demand that they be paid extra in order to get the job finished.
From 1999 until 2018, there was a major company in the UK known as Carillion, which had basically been operating almost entirely in the manner described above, making an industry worth £Billions (allegedly) by consuming the majority of construction contracts with the government. They got away with this behaviour for almost 20 years partially due to a steady stream of private finance initiative (PFI) contracts with the UK government (in which fraudulent accounting practices were commonplace), and partially because they had political support and/or political cover from the two main parties which controlled the government during that time. This was enabled by the co-operation of a decidedly dodgy (aka aggressive and/or creative) accounting firm. It was basically a political and financial house of cards, which collapsed in spectacular fashion in 2017/2018.
Somebody show this to Ben Shapiro, who thinks systemic racism doesn't exist anymore
lol that won’t change his mind
That’s why they should not be able to see the jury , ask the questions over a intercom or put up a divider
What's why?
And using a voice changer so they can't exclude people who "sound black", or using written answers to the questions. Obviously ideally we would just have prosecutors who aren't racist, but that's not happening for a while.
How would you know that the jury wasn't an impersonator & eleven house cats??
@@davidhollenshead4892 Good question, I'm thinking you have a separate qualified person confirm it is them by looking at them and their ID. Could cause some issues but overall I think an idea like this could be figured out.
@@davidhollenshead4892 that is a real issue. While those 11 cats will probably live to be of age, they'll be even less likely to care in their senior years about the humans issues.
The only times I’ve been up for jury I got eliminated because I’m a political activist. So if you care about anything, you’re out.
Depends on the side of the aisle for which you were an activist. >_>
I think that's fair. If you're a political activist you're a bajillion times more likely to take a stance based on your political ideal, rather than the facts of the case and the law.
Korenn Agree but you’re supposed to have a cross-section of the population, how can you pick and choose what parts of the cross-section you want?
@@korenn9381 But what if your activism is something that would never come up? Like for example lgbt activism in a case where that isn't a factor. Or even something as unrelated as climate activism which would never come up.
FumbleSquid Lawyers regularly perform character assassinations during trials. Knowing one of the jurors cares strongly about something they might try and twist the facts to get to some, even if it has nothing to do with the case.
Only John Oliver can go on a 5 minute segment detailing a race card
a race card card
Another excellent addition by John Oliver about our criminal "justice." A system with almost no justice 😢😢😢
17:30 John Oliver: "How do you ask anyone that many questions?"
Also John Oliver: *Had about that many questions for the race card guy*
At least it wasn't fucking 29; it was like 12 😂
When I was in the police academy we had a detective start his class with "is it ok to profile?" We all looked around until one guy said "no...?" To which the detective responded "of course we profile! The same people you assume are guilty, 90% of the time they on fact are guilty! The game is to figure out what they are guilty of at that instant you have them."
Wow that's...
My ultimate test for JO's humour is, "Do I laugh just as much when there isn't a studio audience laughing?" Yes, yes I do.
Not even close
no, no I do not
Well if you are strongly influenced by other people laughing, that's fine too.
I did for the Danbury part 😂
I’m Hispanic, in my early 20s and a college graduate, I’ve been summoned for jury duty twice and both times when I called the night before for instructions I was told that my group had been excused and didn’t need to show up. At the time I was relieved cuz I’ve heard jury duty is really boring but I’m beginning to wonder if my excuses were for nefarious reasons
It is excruciatingly boring. I bring an audio book (it can be noisy) and the last time was still allowed to bring knitting. That may too dangerous now but maybe needlepoint or embroidery could get through.
Right, or you weren't selected because only 0.03 percent of the adult US population serves on federal jury per year, and almost everyone selected your day for whichever court were also sent home.
I'm not a POC and I never made it past the first cut 3 times. Must've been racism lol
Most juries are released because a majority of cases are plea bargained.
@@boochrisboo Yep. And when you're there waiting and then it turns out you're dismissed real fast all of a sudden by lunchtime... that's usually the reason. Sometimes they tell the room before they dismiss them, sometimes not. Good ol' plea bargains.
@@boochrisboo WRONG
Another valuable show, exposing a real problem that needs fixing.
John Oliver is a hero we don't deserve but we need
That problem? HBO needs better programs
Nicholas Smith just don’t consume culture you don’t like. It’s that easy!
This is what is meant by “systemic racism.”
Systemic systems of structural institutions man
Yes!
How is this racism? It happens to caucasians all the time. If your a poor white male from the trailer park and your jury is all doctors and well off people like it is in my county the poor get screwed over while those with wealthy last names get let go.
Chef Joel Carpenter lol name an example of that happening...
@@chefjoelcarpenter3204 okay so the system hurts white people too, let's fix it then
Not only is this one of the greatest topics for him to talk about, such a fantastic issue, and the icing on the cake is his mention that it was technically a Race Card Card. So good. So happy.
I love this comment!!
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John Oliver be like: let me show why america sucks at things.
great stuff tho, i really love this show
It got old a long time ago. It isnt till you see him do an episode on something you are very familiar with that you notice how biased much of his reporting is. At least Jon Stewart wanted a better country but wasnt extremely negative 100% of the time. I am not sure people will want to keep viewing something like this, but hey, there seems to be an audience.
@@ElectronFieldPulse Its not old at all. LMAO he's negative all the time coz there is nothing good about American anymore. STFU and open your eyes.
He's right.
@@dev-nd8bf America has problems, big ones at that, but don't try to act like other countries are flawless either.
@@dev-nd8bf nothing good in America lol you're out of your mind. This is the greatest time for anyone in America. Maybe you would prefer the "good ol' days" when you could own the black people instead of just keeping them out of jury duty?
*Greg: "My goals are beyond your understanding."*
Can we get #getOliverFreeHBO started ?.
They should give all employees free HBO ! It costs them not that much.
He should at least get a discount since he won't be able to enjoy LWT
if john wants free HBO then suddenly everyone wants that too .. this is not a socialist country
@@nartouzumaki8232 not yet, but we'll get there, don't worry 😘
All he needs to do to get free HBO is set up an unlimited plan with Business Daddy. That got me the AT&T WatchTV app for free, HBO on there for free, and a free subscription to HBO Max.
He’s got a good paying job. He can afford it.
@@dr.floridamanphd 1) that wouldnt be free. 2) all HBO workers should. E able to experience what they work hard to produce. Maybe john can afford it but maybe others cant
Unfortunately, to be fair, Americans said “we don’t want smart people” in the 2016 election
why do you think they got betsy de vos
Technically the people voted against Trump, the electoral college system is just broken.
"I love the uneducated"
- Donald J. Trumpf
@@Tyler.8046
Ironic, isn't it that Trump pretty much stated the same, until he was announced the winner because of it?😂
@@Tyler.8046 Well, we wouldn't want smart people design an electoral process
"They dont even give me free HBO and I'm actively ruining it"
All of the yes
Sorry, still trying to get over the whole Sean Penn's wife being a year younger than his daughter jab WTF
This one got me thinking too. Fricking weird
What rock have you been under? As many First Wives can tell you, our children are often older than their step mothers.
Out of all the things you're most bothered by a celebrity relationship choice.😂😂😂😂
@@misteruhl4575 that's disgusting.
Nerac Spence you sound rich and your ex husband sounds happy 😃
"You don't want smart people." Finally, the answer to the mystery of why I've been selected as a juror three times.
Ok, thanks for that. You actually made me laugh out loud on a bus.
Your name also starts with A, that may also have been a factor judging by the horror stories mentioned in the video?
Could change your name to Sebastian Alistair, see if that helps
"If it's all white it goes south really fast" 🙏🏽😂
racism at it's finest!!
That's the motto.of the confederacy
Like early American Government!
John nails it once again. I am so proud to claim him as a fellow American citizen. Dude, keep up the good work!
That guy with the “Race Card” is Vinnie Politan. He used to be on the morning news in Atlanta, and he’s awful.
You're right! I (thankfully) forgot Politan's smarmy face used to be on my local news here in Atlanta. Guess HLN scrapped the barrel to give that gobber a time slot.
Sorry you guys, Vinny Politan is making big money and has his own six hour show on court TV. They got their own Facebook page and Twitter account with the blue checkmark. He is big-time national and even seen in Canada court TV host. It’s seen on cable and regular TV. It’s its own channel, court TV. Has its own Wikipedia account, And Vinnie Politan is the star. He’s also a juvenile diabetic type one insulin-dependent since age 14.
And I watch court TV and he has a panel of experts, Vinny is always the moderator. And they go over the George Floyd case with the four Minnesota cops that are now on trial and he always says what happened to George Floyd was horrible and he knows it’s a systemic problem. So maybe he’s going with the flow? Mostly his panel of experts are black cops and black lawyers and he has Hispanic female lawyers on his panel of experts. Or do you think he has changed for the better?But I definitely will look at him differently after seeing tonight show and your comments.
@@musetutor9778 Thank you for that list of shameful information, I guess
Is there anything at all from Atlanta that is not awful? Every time I go there, I am reminded Sherman was a slacker who didn't finish the job.
Vinnie....yrs ago, at gay conversion camp, when Vinnie split our groups up into....Real Americans ( White) and Others......me and others spoke up. He was mad. Next thing I know these people in hoods came up and made us pray. I guess he was short on time because not only did we pray, but we also lit the Cross on fire....I guess it's faster than making a fire in the pit.
Anyway, after we learned about the REAL America, and how FOX News is the only real news, how Trump was chosen by God, I felt better.
Very interesting how all these places "accidentally" "forgot" all the minorities
I just discovered John and I have been binging all the videos and learning so much!! Thank you
Oliver: 'Here's how jury selection is deeply racist!'
Me, a European: 'Here's how public lay juries are a dumb concept to begin with.'
Ayyy up high my man XD
That's what I thought. "Hey, how about we let twelve people with zero legal knowledge decide this complex matter?"
We have juries, just not as many or as widely overused as in the US. In Denmark juries are only used if either side demands it, cases where more than 1 year of prison sentence is possible, or on appeals.
I think juries are a great idea, if done correctly and without prejudice. Not saying that's happening now, but better a jury of my peers than a single person who is NOT immune to bias.
Could not have said it any better, cheers to you man!
Wow. Thank you John Oliver for covering this!
The second he mentioned jury selection being contracted out to private companies, I knew this was going downhill. Again, what could possibly go wrong?
Step 1: Ensure that EVERY citizen eligible to vote is registered as a voter.
Step 2: Use those lists to select jurors.
Step 3: Remove Peremptory Challenges so that there has to be a proper reason for a juror to be dismissed.
Step 4: Justice is now closer?
A pipe dream
Step 0: Make every citizen eligible to vote.
The problem is you have to make not showing up for jury duty a punishable offense or else people will just continue to not show up, but then that creates a whole other set of problems.
So basically Germany. Or most of the european countries.
And we abandoned the whole jury thing at all and encourage people to be voluntary co-judges to trials. They get some education for it they are supervised by judges and they decide toghether with the judge. In the whole process education and knowledge is highly valued.
So you will not be judged by hilbilly joe but by trained professionals and trained volunteers who know their stuff.
And of course you don't have to register for voting, you just get a notice by mail where to go and show up.
@@Frost5al True, but some of the issue is that people, especially those of low income, have a hard time getting there and with the loss of income.
Something as important as Jury duty should have at least a $15/hr wage.
It should realistically also have a refund system IF you used public transport to get to/from the court, but I suspect that would be too "socialist" for most of ya'll!
As a black man who has served on two juries, I want to know...
What's up with Danbury Ct.
"Zee"
John's Americanization is coming along nicely.
Isn't he just speaking "simplified English", like, "when in Rome..."?
Honestly he probably can't even *spell* Marmite anymore.
He also can't count to two on his fingers the "correct" British way, either.
The statistical odds of the largest black and Hispanic communities being the only ones omitted from these lists are almost zero. These “mistakes” are 100% on purpose.
A yes scientific racism has always been a special kind of fucked up.
Well it is possible that no one thought about the fact that most black people live in an area that is on the back end of the alphabet. Especially for the guy making the code, it is very possible that he had no idea about the demographics, and the people who ordered it decided this was good enough.
or perhaps the show concentrated on the black cases. for example, that error with the 10000 names was most likely the guy programming it going "there are less than 10000 people here, so I'll make the loop 10000 long." without thinking about what happens when there are more people moving to the area/being born. The statistical odds that these communities are the only ones omitted from these lists are almost zero, that's correct. So we would need to look if they actually *are*. Those mistakes are quite possibly actual mistakes. Of course, whenever a human is in the loop we can't be certain that there weren't any biases, but the first selection via computer probably isn't intentional. If it's a company, then it's extremely unlikely, since they don't have any interest in being racist, since it would only terminate their contracts in the long run. And for the college student who worked at a headshop I'd say he is unlikely to have the most conservative/racist views.
Allegedly
@@Jakeonkuningas Or, the alphabetical order was chosen because it was excluding high amount of black people without looking suspicious.
A superb, well-written and expertly delivered piece to camera. Well done, John. Stay Safe!
PS. The World is holding it's breath...
Actually a college student should well be able to programm such a tool. However, as you never know how proficient a stundent is, there should always be a senior developer reviewing it.
My thinking as well. The issue wasn't it being a *college* student, the issue was it being *a* college student.
Maybe he is just a talented programmer. I mean, the program worked. Obviously, there were factors he overlooked.
@@planexshifter stuff like that isn't usually done alone, someone needs to be there to double check/verify important data.
Not even that, a developer in cases like this should be nothing more than the person assembling bricks into the design of an architect. Someone with domain knowledge should give the specifications.
@@GoogleGebruiker Even I would not develop a product for such a critical usecase just alone without any review.