for the shaman im pretty sure they jump faster if you're not at their melee range, i've learned that after dying a couple times waiting for them to jump. I will try this method with my iron friends, they're far from having bis tho, we'll see if trident/bowfa/lance are enough to survive olm.
Hello again. Just wanted to come back and say thanks again. We've been getting consistent 50 min raids now. Do you ever use the alt and chin everything to death or just to take/maintain aggro?
If I'm gonna be mage DPS and I don't have a twisted bow, but I have DHCB and Buckler mixed with a ZCB, how many pots should I be taking into olm? Also, would you bother specing with ZCB throughout the raid or just ice barrage the entire time? Also, thanks again for putting out this guide. I've been hunting for 4 items at cox and I hope to get them using this method.
I'd take the same pots as shown in the vid, you can sneak the buckler in for free since it's an off-hand and the setup in the vid has you just taking in a 2h weapon. Zcb speccing is something you can do during rooms for sure - just be careful to not attack the main target at rope (you want the front mob to die last if possible or the lure will break). And make sure you're on longrange for shamans or I believe you'll get dragged into range!
Would this be worth doing as a 4+11 with my GIM team? We are prestige so we wouldn't have any alts but we have been throwing the idea around of trying bigger scales (currently we do 4+3) but we were unsure if the extra head phases at Olm would be worth the points or not.
If you're a main account, then yeah the alt can drop pots for you to pick up - then you can absolutely do this with tridents and lances and bowfa. If you're an ironman then you won't be able to pick up pots, but it will still be doable with that gear, as long as you're not making loads of mistakes!
@@gitgudatgaming i'd say 1 scythe 1 shadow is a minimum , you can do without but it can get tricky , that's about it you can downgrade to the next best thing for all
I think the percentage on hands is in the CoX QoL plugin - I've just updated it to show the actual hps now instead of percentages which makes tracking the cripples a bit easier. And yes - it's 5% of hand hp in any scale :)
@@pecanbread11 What plugin do you use to show the actual hp instead of percentage? On the CoX Additions plugin I only see hp% are you using a different one?
How long did it take you to get consisten 45 minutes raid We are currently running 28 mins cm with avg of 43k per person so unless we can get close to 45/50 min per raid this might be similar point per hour
Does melee DPS need to always dodge flame wall? Also everyone dodges flame wall in head phase? I gotta get my ironman friends in on this method. Gotta get them to get 99 magic first tho
It's helpful to dodge it but you don't have to! The hybrid role stays on ancients since they're hitting both hands (so thralls would be half as good), then they're able to free anyone from flame walls! Melee role can go without thralls if needed, it's best if the mage has thralls though, since it helps with turning the head :)
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Do you know how to do megas and if so can we get a guide on that? :D I've been running 1+30 and recently started 2+29 and I feel like we could be more efficient
I think duo megascales are inherently worse due to head turning mechanics on olm. The rooms should be done the same way as in this guide but olm will always be janky in a duo. I've done a 1+22 on iron but it sort of caps there as you can only bring so many stamina potions in
Unfortunately duo scales are very fiddly on olm, you can't guarantee the head turning like you can in trio plus. You also need 3 people for all of the mystic lures unfortunately.
So Shaman lure #3 made me waste a lot of time. There was always one shaman that was not able to stay dd with the other shamans. I notice when you go south to safespot, my shaman box lure I have to run north. I'm not sure if that makes a different or not with the npc's southwest tile being different. So far ive done two with the team and trying to figure out the tiles every single times sucks but definitely getting better at it
The only thing I can recommend is stepping out from under the shamans on the tick the last one jumps, then the others won't have the opportunity to move at all as the jumping shaman's hit box remains there for 1 more tick before becoming transparent
Monster Hp Percentage -> Ba-Ba, Nex, Callisto, The Maiden of Sugadinti, Sotetseg, Akkha, The Leviathan, Artio, Great Olm (right claw) , Great Olm (left claw),
Can you do that method if you have ran out of cape switch Hybrid method also seems to be heavy on APM , how realistic is it to camp 1 style or the other for a while?
Yeah for sure, as long as the mager has thralls then that's the main thing (to help head turn) so swapping who's on that role can help to keep enough cape switches. Hybrid is the most intense method - it's definitely reasonable to camp one style then the other. I generally camp mage early until all hammers/mauls have been hit, then I'll melee for a while after my bgs hits until it gets low enough for me to camp mage hand again until the end of the phase!
I'd also say that the hybridder can just camp piety, and take fewer switches for mage as well - as augury isn't a huge buff (though is definitely more than before!)
@@gitgudatgaming yeah thralls do count for head turning. It's quite important to guarantee it yeah, melee can drop thralls so only one cape swap is used per run, and people can rotate roles :)
We've done a 3+20 with all irons, but it's reliant on either all prayer flicking and gear switching while tanking olm hits, or else you need sang+blood fury in order to not run out of supplies
Heyo, I found a way to tank the "weird" east-west mystic layout. Simply stand behind the big rock near the entrance and make sure you don't accidentally drag the mystic around the corner.
You can definitely lure them there, but getting them stacked up is quite tricky - I've been dragging them all the way to the end of the room in order to stack them up for chinning/barraging on this one now!
We've been doing this method for about two week 3 maul 2 unique for iron 1 tbow unique for iron 8 arcane 6 dex 1 anc top unique for iron 1 dhcb 1 buckler This is really cracked i can never go back
@gitgudatgaming I think you need at least one person with shadow and one person with scythe. I've done a 3+12 where the hybrid was using a sang staff and I know that they hardly switched to meele because we could hardly keep up. Towards the end with everyone pretty much having max gear, everyone is usually pretty low on supplies and we barely make any mistakes. Lot of it just depends on RNG and how much olm jads you
damn only need a shadow a lance or a scythe, we dont have either of those in our GIM and also nobody has 99 magic yet either to spellbook swap. But will get back to this eventually i guess
No - chins are a lot better, but not worth catching on an Ironman. If you're a main it's definitely worth buying them to use instead. If you do that you can also spec the defence levels down on one of the mobs, and then chin that one so that the chins roll off their defence for all mobs in the stack.
You can definitely do this with worse gear! These are just example setups for max efficiency. I'd definitely give it a go if you have at least a lance!
Great video, but honestly I'm immediately turned off by the fact you say it's "for ironmen" but all 3 accounts are in max gear in all styles. Feels fairly misleading. Like I can understand having max combats, but max gear? all styles? all 3 accounts? This seems like a ridiculous expectation, and at that point why mention it's good for ironmen at all when it doesn't matter anymore with that gear, and you may as well just title the video "Easy 3+12, max gear"
The 3 setups are all max gear, but that's just meant to be the ideal setups - you only really need everyone to have barrage gear, then one person with good mage gear for olm, one person with good melee gear for olm, and one person with okay gear to hybrid - it means that if you're missing 1/2 good items in any style then you can still do these raids without missing out. If you have a shadow but no tbow/scythe then you can be mage role. Similarly if you have a scythe then melee role is good. And you definitely don't need max gear - most of the raids I've been doing have one person with a shadow and one person with a lance, and they're not much slower at all!
130 k per hour? Scouting for a perf layout prob adds 10 mins. So its ish 100k an hour. Or u run solo cms, have more fun, in 35 mins, no scouting downtime and get 120 k an hour. This method is dogwater. To much effort for no cookie.
So 35 minute cms would be 103k points per hour. For scouting, if you scout on 3 accounts plus the alt immediately after the raid, it takes an average of 5 minutes exactly to get one of the good scouts, which if you include in the time per raid makes it 50 minutes for ~97k points, or 117k points per hour. But to be be more efficient you can leave the raid on your alt while you're in olm, which gives you around 20 minutes to scout on it, and on average it takes 20 minutes to find a scout on a single account. So overall the scouting time ends up being much lower than you think!
Your guide is so bad. You did not show a shadow in the thumbnail but you had "very afk". This is insanely bad I JUST got my trident and wanted to go with my gim team to do some awesome scaled chambers. HOWEVER, its YOUR fault our team disbanded because we kept dying. On top of that, my wife is now mad at me for yelling at the computer for 2 hours and we only got like 1700 points. Thumbs down.
I always love finding these types of video. People with low Sub count. That produce the highest of quality and have the most game knowledge. ❤
Thanks for this guide. Just what I was looking for!
sending them now with the boys, absolute beast of a guide lad very nice job
What the fuck this is a high fucking quality guide
Really hype to watch this bad boy with my barber later
Thanks for vid mate.
So safe to say you can do this method 5 times a day :P. I'm definitely going to look into this.
Dope as video sending this with a few friends to help them finish chambers off shits tight
hell yeah so good 10/10
awesome video, thanks
you need more subs. youre too good
for the shaman im pretty sure they jump faster if you're not at their melee range, i've learned that after dying a couple times waiting for them to jump. I will try this method with my iron friends, they're far from having bis tho, we'll see if trident/bowfa/lance are enough to survive olm.
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Hello again. Just wanted to come back and say thanks again. We've been getting consistent 50 min raids now. Do you ever use the alt and chin everything to death or just to take/maintain aggro?
Glad to hear! No, we don't do any dps on it at all, purely to grab aggro and tank
Super keen to do this to finish my last 3 items after I get dust from cms :)
If I'm gonna be mage DPS and I don't have a twisted bow, but I have DHCB and Buckler mixed with a ZCB, how many pots should I be taking into olm? Also, would you bother specing with ZCB throughout the raid or just ice barrage the entire time? Also, thanks again for putting out this guide. I've been hunting for 4 items at cox and I hope to get them using this method.
I'd take the same pots as shown in the vid, you can sneak the buckler in for free since it's an off-hand and the setup in the vid has you just taking in a 2h weapon.
Zcb speccing is something you can do during rooms for sure - just be careful to not attack the main target at rope (you want the front mob to die last if possible or the lure will break). And make sure you're on longrange for shamans or I believe you'll get dragged into range!
Also, could you bring a ralos on your tank and have it spec olm head at the end if the other 3 accounts don't have one?
@@MikeStar21 yes you could, you'd need to leave the fc after that so it doesn't die and lose team points I believe
Would this be worth doing as a 4+11 with my GIM team? We are prestige so we wouldn't have any alts but we have been throwing the idea around of trying bigger scales (currently we do 4+3) but we were unsure if the extra head phases at Olm would be worth the points or not.
Yeah this would be for sure worth doing - probably slightly easier as you can bring more pots into olm and share them around more!
Can you do this with no mega rares but, having tridents and lances and bowfa? Can you have the alt account drop mats and log?
If you're a main account, then yeah the alt can drop pots for you to pick up - then you can absolutely do this with tridents and lances and bowfa.
If you're an ironman then you won't be able to pick up pots, but it will still be doable with that gear, as long as you're not making loads of mistakes!
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Updated Loot from 100 3+12 Raid
Arcane - 14
Dex - 12
Dhin's - 1
DHCB - 3
Twisted Buckler - 1
Ancestral Pants - 1
Ancestral Body - 1
Ancestral Hat - 1
Dragon Claw - 1
Elder Maul - 6
Kodai - 1
Twisted Bow - 2
Olmlet - 2
Total Purple - 44
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What is concidered a must have gear wise? And what can be downscaled? Example: full torva -> bandos chest and tassy and faceguard.
@@gitgudatgaming i'd say 1 scythe 1 shadow is a minimum , you can do without but it can get tricky , that's about it you can downgrade to the next best thing for all
yep did this years ago. Weird it only becomes valid now hehe nice job on vid !
What plugin are you using to get the percent hp to show for the hands, and does the 5% hp in 8 ticks to cripple apply to all scales?
I think the percentage on hands is in the CoX QoL plugin - I've just updated it to show the actual hps now instead of percentages which makes tracking the cripples a bit easier.
And yes - it's 5% of hand hp in any scale :)
@@pecanbread11 What plugin do you use to show the actual hp instead of percentage? On the CoX Additions plugin I only see hp% are you using a different one?
How long did it take you to get consisten 45 minutes raid
We are currently running 28 mins cm with avg of 43k per person so unless we can get close to 45/50 min per raid this might be similar point per hour
Not very long to be honest - about 3/4 raids with people who know what they're doing and you should be getting sub 50 most of the time!
Would you consider recording a full 3+12 run from every roles p.o.v including tank?
Does melee DPS need to always dodge flame wall? Also everyone dodges flame wall in head phase? I gotta get my ironman friends in on this method. Gotta get them to get 99 magic first tho
It's helpful to dodge it but you don't have to! The hybrid role stays on ancients since they're hitting both hands (so thralls would be half as good), then they're able to free anyone from flame walls!
Melee role can go without thralls if needed, it's best if the mage has thralls though, since it helps with turning the head :)
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Do you know how to do megas and if so can we get a guide on that? :D I've been running 1+30 and recently started 2+29 and I feel like we could be more efficient
I think duo megascales are inherently worse due to head turning mechanics on olm. The rooms should be done the same way as in this guide but olm will always be janky in a duo.
I've done a 1+22 on iron but it sort of caps there as you can only bring so many stamina potions in
I play in a 2 man GIM and we don't want to lose prestige. Is there any 2+X that is worth considering using similar techniques?
Unfortunately duo scales are very fiddly on olm, you can't guarantee the head turning like you can in trio plus. You also need 3 people for all of the mystic lures unfortunately.
what am i missing? olm itself is just do a normal 3+12 setup nothing different or did i miss something
So Shaman lure #3 made me waste a lot of time. There was always one shaman that was not able to stay dd with the other shamans. I notice when you go south to safespot, my shaman box lure I have to run north. I'm not sure if that makes a different or not with the npc's southwest tile being different. So far ive done two with the team and trying to figure out the tiles every single times sucks but definitely getting better at it
The only thing I can recommend is stepping out from under the shamans on the tick the last one jumps, then the others won't have the opportunity to move at all as the jumping shaman's hit box remains there for 1 more tick before becoming transparent
Would love tile markers to lure the rooms ❤️
Does anyone know which plugin puts that percentage in the hands of the olm?
Monster Hp Percentage -> Ba-Ba, Nex, Callisto, The Maiden of Sugadinti, Sotetseg, Akkha, The Leviathan, Artio, Great Olm (right claw) , Great Olm (left claw),
this looks like a super fun raid, who could imagine that someday it would be so efficient to run chambers with both a tank & AoE as your main DPS
Can you do that method if you have ran out of cape switch
Hybrid method also seems to be heavy on APM , how realistic is it to camp 1 style or the other for a while?
Yeah for sure, as long as the mager has thralls then that's the main thing (to help head turn) so swapping who's on that role can help to keep enough cape switches.
Hybrid is the most intense method - it's definitely reasonable to camp one style then the other. I generally camp mage early until all hammers/mauls have been hit, then I'll melee for a while after my bgs hits until it gets low enough for me to camp mage hand again until the end of the phase!
I'd also say that the hybridder can just camp piety, and take fewer switches for mage as well - as augury isn't a huge buff (though is definitely more than before!)
@@pecanbread11 do thralls count as an extra 'player' to make the head turn? do thralls make or break the run?
@@gitgudatgaming yeah thralls do count for head turning. It's quite important to guarantee it yeah, melee can drop thralls so only one cape swap is used per run, and people can rotate roles :)
@@pecanbread11 what is the bare minimum gear reqs? obviously shadow and scythe for hybrid role and mage role.
How did you calculate 67m points to complete chambers?
I took it from the collection logging discord - the median is 78 purples to be 12/12 at cox I believe.
Would it be worth doing this as a 3+20?
We've done a 3+20 with all irons, but it's reliant on either all prayer flicking and gear switching while tanking olm hits, or else you need sang+blood fury in order to not run out of supplies
Do you have all the tile markers that you can share?
Next time I send one I'll export them and put them in the video description! I'll reply here letting you know as well :)
@@pecanbread11 +1 this would be very helpful
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Would 75 base alt with justi and staff of light be good to lure mobs in 3+12?
For sure yeah :)
@@pecanbread11 thank you! my buddy was saying it isn't, been working on training a alt to do this 2700kc cox no olmlet
@@Ampl1fied ouch rough one man, best of luck on the grind!
can we have a follow up video with the bare minimum reqs? for olm ofcourse.
is this also do-able with void?
Heyo, I found a way to tank the "weird" east-west mystic layout. Simply stand behind the big rock near the entrance and make sure you don't accidentally drag the mystic around the corner.
You can definitely lure them there, but getting them stacked up is quite tricky - I've been dragging them all the way to the end of the room in order to stack them up for chinning/barraging on this one now!
@@pecanbread11 oh, I stacked them on the northeast corner dancing west, worked fine
@@XxSupaBAMxX oh interesting, I'll try that!
We've been doing this method for about two week
3 maul 2 unique for iron
1 tbow unique for iron
8 arcane
6 dex
1 anc top unique for iron
1 dhcb
1 buckler
This is really cracked i can never go back
I was there ;)
@@MikeStar21 what do you guys feel is the bare minimum req gear wise? is it do-able without shadows/scythe.
@gitgudatgaming I think you need at least one person with shadow and one person with scythe. I've done a 3+12 where the hybrid was using a sang staff and I know that they hardly switched to meele because we could hardly keep up. Towards the end with everyone pretty much having max gear, everyone is usually pretty low on supplies and we barely make any mistakes. Lot of it just depends on RNG and how much olm jads you
@@MikeStar21 scythe on the skip role? cuz i got dragon hunter lance + t bow, i could do melee role.
When are you going into the lore of the 11 chapters of Pecanbread?
Future vid... 👀
could you do this with a 2 +7/9?
Duo scales don't work very well on olm, as you can't guarantee head turning unless you both target a hand. But otherwise yeah, no reason why not.
Like + subbed, great video wish I friends to do this with on my iron (only missing bow)
damn only need a shadow a lance or a scythe, we dont have either of those in our GIM and also nobody has 99 magic yet either to spellbook swap. But will get back to this eventually i guess
barrage better than chins?
No - chins are a lot better, but not worth catching on an Ironman. If you're a main it's definitely worth buying them to use instead.
If you do that you can also spec the defence levels down on one of the mobs, and then chin that one so that the chins roll off their defence for all mobs in the stack.
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I'm optimistic when i see a video that says it's good for irons, but then i see the recommended gear and i immediately stop watching... 😢lol
You can definitely do this with worse gear! These are just example setups for max efficiency. I'd definitely give it a go if you have at least a lance!
Yeah just let me grab a scythe and shadow … not possible for Ironman with trident and dhcb
This is something you do in late game.
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Great video, but honestly I'm immediately turned off by the fact you say it's "for ironmen" but all 3 accounts are in max gear in all styles. Feels fairly misleading.
Like I can understand having max combats, but max gear? all styles? all 3 accounts?
This seems like a ridiculous expectation, and at that point why mention it's good for ironmen at all when it doesn't matter anymore with that gear, and you may as well just title the video "Easy 3+12, max gear"
The 3 setups are all max gear, but that's just meant to be the ideal setups - you only really need everyone to have barrage gear, then one person with good mage gear for olm, one person with good melee gear for olm, and one person with okay gear to hybrid - it means that if you're missing 1/2 good items in any style then you can still do these raids without missing out.
If you have a shadow but no tbow/scythe then you can be mage role. Similarly if you have a scythe then melee role is good.
And you definitely don't need max gear - most of the raids I've been doing have one person with a shadow and one person with a lance, and they're not much slower at all!
130 k per hour? Scouting for a perf layout prob adds 10 mins. So its ish 100k an hour. Or u run solo cms, have more fun, in 35 mins, no scouting downtime and get 120 k an hour. This method is dogwater. To much effort for no cookie.
So 35 minute cms would be 103k points per hour.
For scouting, if you scout on 3 accounts plus the alt immediately after the raid, it takes an average of 5 minutes exactly to get one of the good scouts, which if you include in the time per raid makes it 50 minutes for ~97k points, or 117k points per hour.
But to be be more efficient you can leave the raid on your alt while you're in olm, which gives you around 20 minutes to scout on it, and on average it takes 20 minutes to find a scout on a single account. So overall the scouting time ends up being much lower than you think!
Your guide is so bad. You did not show a shadow in the thumbnail but you had "very afk". This is insanely bad I JUST got my trident and wanted to go with my gim team to do some awesome scaled chambers. HOWEVER, its YOUR fault our team disbanded because we kept dying. On top of that, my wife is now mad at me for yelling at the computer for 2 hours and we only got like 1700 points. Thumbs down.
Super well made guide! Salute🫡