Thanks Steve for putting out awesome videos not many engin builders will go in depth to show how to do things and even when you have problems you still show the world it goes to show what a great and honest engin builder u are 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Man I love these videos. As someone with a love of big horsepower, but neither the space nor the money to build something myself, SME is like hanging out in your buddy's garage while he works. Brilliant.
blowers break alot, shake cars apart, and make a ton of low rpm power that can blow the tires off turbos make those problems go away but are a tuning nightmare lol
Yet ANOTHER keyboard warrior. Jealousy is a terrible thing. I don't care what he does as long as it entertains me. (or you) Let that sink in. Cleetus did. All the way to the bank.
The boost threshold on that big turbo is no joke. A smaller exhaust housing should help it spool up but then it might be too restrictive at higher RPM.
Sir, I have been SO enthralled with your channel since learning more about the SMX from Sick Summer/Cleetus’ channel. I just had to say thanks for being so detailed, uploading long videos, and using awesome montage music 🎉
You might find this info interesting ! It's called Rocket turbo anti lag ,there's a patent on it , it keeps your turbo spooled at low engine speeds , was used on Subaru rallye cars years ago , could possibly use on race cars
The 140mm T might be a slug at low rpm due to the exhaust back pressure. Until there's enough hot gas to move the impeller fast enough to do work, it can be a restriction. Some guys leave the waste gate open until they're making boost at whichever rpm the engine's exhaust really heats up the turbo.
Crazy butt relevant, I was thinking the same thing before I seen the video of the waste gate and thought that needed a flat to build pressure then release to spool faster because the evacuation of the exhaust pressure will be quicker like in the three valve per cylinder application
This comment section is incredibly weird.. You people need help. It was obvious cleet was never using an smx in the new build. It will be a trailer princess that is towed to and from the lanes and pits and NEVER have a radiator in it so an smx made no sense. You people created a narrative in your heads and are now trying to create drama. It's absolute insanity
Steve thank you for sharing so much knowledge and been the window to performance engineering. I've seen things trought this channel that I've never seen before if it wasn't for you! Love this channel!
I had a moment of "damn bro don't tell me that..." then I checked and realized I am 51mins in already without noticing! Stoked to have half an hour left.
Why wouldn't you just change the dyno start to load rpm to 6500 since the turbo won't light below that on that many cubes? It probably needs a smaller exhaust housing if you want it to start making boost at lower then 6500.
@@1clnsdime1I’ll pick a turbo all day any racing. It’s proven already. Roll racing which I do in my coyote I have twin 64s precisions makes about 1400 on highest map on e85. I like how nice and easy it is to turn up boost on turbos. A few buttons and I switch between maps. Also it’s my daily driver. Tuned by lund. Built motor from FFRE.
It's great that you tell us EXACTLY what set-ups you're using on each different engine combo. Now my boy's and I will have to subscribe to Kyle's channel 😅😂
That massive turbo needs a jet/rocket anti lag system. That way you can control the amount of boost you want off the line then depending on how much fuel you put into the anti lag you can control the rate that the boost climbs. I am really surprised more teams haven't implemented such systems. Unless the class has outlawed it.
Hi @stevemorris I was wondering, you said billet blocks needed heat treatment while being machined. When you weld a block wouldn’t the welded part react differently (expand) or is the welding process enough of a heat treatment? And if not wouldn’t that be the reason why a repaired engine is less reliable?
Variable vane turbo to grab more air down low and a little less after you get off the line a little some thing you can work on. They do it with airplane props as a for example. Looking forward to see your brain work on that one. Good luck!
I have a 5th Gen Camaro SS. I definitely debate if I should go ProCharger or a turbo setup. Still want to drive it on the street and highways. Also want to do some long distance trips too
Full throttle does not need full opening, its Pumping Loss or someshit. Honda have worked it out in tuning. You need a throttle body in front of turbo only partially open until launch. Will be on fullboost ASAP Works well on manual street cars between gears also
Steve needs to go up north for a quiet weekend no cell service and relax for a weekend unwind and recoup and reboot hit some trails see the lakes pictured rocks lakeshore is nice 👍
Can you write a dyno loading scaling facor for the 1st few seconds or under a given rpm? Instead of 1:1 input to output. Use a subprogram to produce 3:1 for the first 2 or 3 seconds of the pull to get more initial turbine shaft speed I understand you need one to one for accurate numbers from the dyno. But you also need exaggerated load to make the turbo spool.
Put a volatage regulator in front of the Holley ign driver board and call it a day. Can make one for pennies. Also could add an accumulator tank before the dyno brake inlet, should help the power transient.
What's the max amount of boost that a big ol 144mm turbo will make?? A little shot of nitrous would have brought it right up on boost, correct?? I see alot of people adding a small shot of nitrous to get it on the chip faster.. its unfortunate that you couldn't figure it out with the time you had because I'm guessing that motor & turbo are going to make some crazy power
Does the additional work of dynoing your customer's engines with turbos show you anything you otherwise wouldn't be able to see if you just tested them all NA? I.e., does the boost show any points of failure or defects that you otherwise wouldn't catch?
So what does a procharged SMX sound like preferably not with zoomies not a big fan would be sweet if it was though duels out the back but doesn’t seem practical if you happen to have any videos or know of one setup with single side exits. I know turbos tend to quite engine noise would love to hear one.
Awhile back i heard someone talking about spinning a turbo electrically assisted at low speed to help it through the lag period. Never caught the follow up on how it worked...
Can you have a dyno modified to run the transmission, to better simulate a trip down the track without risking you sled, rear-end, & driveshaft. You know better than anyone ,how much testing costs. I'd like to see this improve timeslips without as many risks & costs. Thanks Steve.
It shouldn’t spin faster solely because you’re putting more load on it because you’re moving more air through the compressor side Just like putting your hand over the end of a vacuum cleaner when pipe its a sealed system it raises the rpm of the vacuum motor. Creating a leak is like the open end of a vacuum. Slower speed on the motor more load. In the case of target only 10 psi and you have a leak and the car commands more wastegate to achieve target 10 psi then I could see a higher rpm. I believe you already showed a video with a pro charger with a leak bending the crank from belt pressure. I think what they are actually doing is creating back pressure in the exhaust from the additional load acting like an engine brake and when you finally shut the bov you create a boost spike from the additional drive pressure to jumpstart the output.
?? So what would happen if a transmission and torque converter were in front of the dyno contraption thingy ?? Too hard to do? Too dangerous? Too much time to set up? But is there a setuo and tuning advantage to be had?
Very interesting. I’ve always wondered, is it even possible to daily drive an F4 ProCharger, or even and F3 ProCharger. They both run off of gears vs belt.
I know I am late but can’t you just add dome and hold the gate shut to get her spooling. Or is the turbo too large and exhaust pressure just not enough??
Can you use the dyno load to simulate the converter and track load? This from a guy who knows little to nothing. Would a chassis/hub dyno give better data?
So cool you can build these motors and hand it to someone .With the gear ratio, track is different but you got them in the ball park to make it work. Facts don't lie and you have no reason to change the facts. That would be like lieing to yourself You Sir have taken this ICE to it's max. Much Respect. Street engines should not be able to do what you make them do.
He was so amazed at not having to pull the intake on the hemi to service the heads. I’m like, dummy Steve said the smx was designed with the same intent.
@leftyo9589 Yep, I am absoulty sure Steve doesn't mind the competition with Garrett having a pro stock motor for the eagle because Garrett will find out the Hemi will break without maintenance, just as the SM Engines will as same as all engines. Let me be clear, Garrett's team is not mentally equipped to handle these types of engines. They are great part switchers but not much more. But the support with SM engines is just an arms length away.
Thanks Steve for putting out awesome videos not many engin builders will go in depth to show how to do things and even when you have problems you still show the world it goes to show what a great and honest engin builder u are 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Where's Jackstand & his bottle of spoolmaster 9000 when you need him 😂
@@extcreat I wasn't invited
Sick video thanks for the shoutout dad 💪🤘
Love what you and your family do! I hope everyone is well!
You Guy’s…
Honestly….
Congratulations…to all at SM’s
Subbed!!!
Couldn’t find your channel by Kyle morris. It led me to a golfer. Had to do the @ search.. subscribed ❤
@@khawli6032 link in description.
Man I love these videos. As someone with a love of big horsepower, but neither the space nor the money to build something myself, SME is like hanging out in your buddy's garage while he works. Brilliant.
Don't toss that charge pipe, "give" it to me with your and Kyle's autographs so I can put it in my garage. My friends will be blown away!
So what did we all learn here today? Blowers=Cheat code Turbo=Incremental complexity
blowers break alot, shake cars apart, and make a ton of low rpm power that can blow the tires off
turbos make those problems go away but are a tuning nightmare lol
Blowers = parasitic loss (whether crank-driven or belt)
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again yep! I remember one of the nhra top fuel guys saying that huge blower on them takes 400hp to spin
i got news for ya, doesnt matter how big of rod you can stick in an engine, mcfarland tuning and crew will destroy it.
You write that like he cares. He makes money on people pushing these engines. That big block didn't owe anyone anything when it let go the first time.
Give cleet a wartsila diesel rod😂
@@--_DJ_--you and I both wrote comments like anybody cares. That's the way she goes bud.
Yet ANOTHER keyboard warrior. Jealousy is a terrible thing.
I don't care what he does as long as it entertains me. (or you) Let that sink in. Cleetus did. All the way to the bank.
@@realblakrawb what?
idea: quad charged setup with a crank mount procharger, twin turbos and a roots blower. it will last exactly 1 pass but hey it will be glorious
Amazing watching you work and seeing your problem solving processes. Fascinating
The boost threshold on that big turbo is no joke. A smaller exhaust housing should help it spool up but then it might be too restrictive at higher RPM.
Sir, I have been SO enthralled with your channel since learning more about the SMX from Sick Summer/Cleetus’ channel. I just had to say thanks for being so detailed, uploading long videos, and using awesome montage music 🎉
You might find this info interesting ! It's called Rocket turbo anti lag ,there's a patent on it , it keeps your turbo spooled at low engine speeds , was used on Subaru rallye cars years ago , could possibly use on race cars
Is this when you retard the timing so much that it blows up in the exhaust (or while exhaust valves are already open)?
Charge Air Control
The 140mm T might be a slug at low rpm due to the exhaust back pressure. Until there's enough hot gas to move the impeller fast enough to do work, it can be a restriction. Some guys leave the waste gate open until they're making boost at whichever rpm the engine's exhaust really heats up the turbo.
Crazy butt relevant, I was thinking the same thing before I seen the video of the waste gate and thought that needed a flat to build pressure then release to spool faster because the evacuation of the exhaust pressure will be quicker like in the three valve per cylinder application
This comment section is incredibly weird.. You people need help. It was obvious cleet was never using an smx in the new build. It will be a trailer princess that is towed to and from the lanes and pits and NEVER have a radiator in it so an smx made no sense. You people created a narrative in your heads and are now trying to create drama. It's absolute insanity
it's fuckin hilarious bro
Meds, NOW.
Steve thank you for sharing so much knowledge and been the window to performance engineering. I've seen things trought this channel that I've never seen before if it wasn't for you! Love this channel!
damn, 80 minutes. steve on here makin feature length films
I had a moment of "damn bro don't tell me that..." then I checked and realized I am 51mins in already without noticing!
Stoked to have half an hour left.
Why wouldn't you just change the dyno start to load rpm to 6500 since the turbo won't light below that on that many cubes? It probably needs a smaller exhaust housing if you want it to start making boost at lower then 6500.
I enjoy when you are going through your brain to figure issues out. I always talk myself through things to figure them out.
The turbo will make more power, but the blower will be more controllable.
Hell yeah turbo all day.
@HoldPublicPigsResponsible just depends on what type of racing. For lower level stuff I agree.
@@1clnsdime1I’ll pick a turbo all day any racing. It’s proven already. Roll racing which I do in my coyote I have twin 64s precisions makes about 1400 on highest map on e85. I like how nice and easy it is to turn up boost on turbos. A few buttons and I switch between maps. Also it’s my daily driver. Tuned by lund. Built motor from FFRE.
It's great that you tell us EXACTLY what set-ups you're using on each different engine combo.
Now my boy's and I will have to subscribe to Kyle's channel 😅😂
That massive turbo needs a jet/rocket anti lag system. That way you can control the amount of boost you want off the line then depending on how much fuel you put into the anti lag you can control the rate that the boost climbs. I am really surprised more teams haven't implemented such systems. Unless the class has outlawed it.
Steve you built the DEVEL OMG. WOW❤
Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge
Drag and drive car in England? We have 1 drag strip at Santa Pod. 🤣
I guess he’s going to drive it there and drive home?
Love yalls team work !
Steve using Cleetus name for views at this point 😂 the beef is cookin’!
What beef?
@@auldman ole Cleeter ditched the SMX in favor of a Pro Line Racing HEMI
@@MikeHoncho69420 starting shit when you don't have a clue...Priceless humour bud, priceless.
@@MikeHoncho69420you people are incredibly weird
Put the e-gate on the 2-step/trans-brake button, no drive pressure when you hold it and snaps shut for launch on release
Hi @stevemorris I was wondering, you said billet blocks needed heat treatment while being machined. When you weld a block wouldn’t the welded part react differently (expand) or is the welding process enough of a heat treatment? And if not wouldn’t that be the reason why a repaired engine is less reliable?
Variable vane turbo to grab more air down low and a little less after you get off the line a little some thing you can work on. They do it with airplane props as a for example. Looking forward to see your brain work on that one. Good luck!
I have a 5th Gen Camaro SS. I definitely debate if I should go ProCharger or a turbo setup. Still want to drive it on the street and highways. Also want to do some long distance trips too
Full throttle does not need full opening, its Pumping Loss or someshit.
Honda have worked it out in tuning.
You need a throttle body in front of turbo only partially open until launch.
Will be on fullboost ASAP
Works well on manual street cars between gears also
Good luck with the new channel !
Kyle should put SML head on the Windsor
Steve needs to go up north for a quiet weekend no cell service and relax for a weekend unwind and recoup and reboot hit some trails see the lakes pictured rocks lakeshore is nice 👍
Can you write a dyno loading scaling facor for the 1st few seconds or under a given rpm? Instead of 1:1 input to output. Use a subprogram to produce 3:1 for the first 2 or 3 seconds of the pull to get more initial turbine shaft speed
I understand you need one to one for accurate numbers from the dyno. But you also need exaggerated load to make the turbo spool.
Wonder if you could do a twin setup but running one procharger and a turbo in the same package and get the befits from both.
Put a volatage regulator in front of the Holley ign driver board and call it a day. Can make one for pennies.
Also could add an accumulator tank before the dyno brake inlet, should help the power transient.
What would be super cool, is 3000 HP on engine dyno, straight into the car, and hub dyno... Put the estimations to bed, once and for all
Have you ever tried a variable venturi turbo to get the turbo to spool up quicker.
I would kill for a chance to work under Steve Morris. Probably even do it for free. Lol. Even if its just sweeping floors.
Excellent video Steve, love how you explain everything.
How about better exhaust flow? It's getting backed up on the valve shuts, causing less pressure.
What's the max amount of boost that a big ol 144mm turbo will make?? A little shot of nitrous would have brought it right up on boost, correct?? I see alot of people adding a small shot of nitrous to get it on the chip faster.. its unfortunate that you couldn't figure it out with the time you had because I'm guessing that motor & turbo are going to make some crazy power
Does the additional work of dynoing your customer's engines with turbos show you anything you otherwise wouldn't be able to see if you just tested them all NA? I.e., does the boost show any points of failure or defects that you otherwise wouldn't catch?
Dude gonna be on the 2 step for 30 seconds to get that thing up
So what does a procharged SMX sound like preferably not with zoomies not a big fan would be sweet if it was though duels out the back but doesn’t seem practical if you happen to have any videos or know of one setup with single side exits. I know turbos tend to quite engine noise would love to hear one.
Listen here on my car with SMX
Procharger motor over there yawning while you mess with the turbo motor lol
If you had a turbo speed sensor could you use that data to control the position of the spool valve rather than using rpm?
You could also do what the Honda guys do.. a NOS bottle to help with the spool
I think you get way better drivability out of 2 injectors per port, at least more controllable, especially if one can turn off in the tune for idle.
Awhile back i heard someone talking about spinning a turbo electrically assisted at low speed to help it through the lag period. Never caught the follow up on how it worked...
Can you have a dyno modified to run the transmission, to better simulate a trip down the track without risking you sled, rear-end, & driveshaft. You know better than anyone ,how much testing costs. I'd like to see this improve timeslips without as many risks & costs. Thanks Steve.
Awesome vid as always, i would love to have that charge pipe signed, i would hang it in my living room
Solution for the turbo motor: Converter Dyno lol, thanks for the video I'm still learning.
Depends on how the blower is driven. Theoretically, an electrical motor driven blower would be ideal.
You can always have a smaller turbo feed the larger turbo.
It shouldn’t spin faster solely because you’re putting more load on it because you’re moving more air through the compressor side
Just like putting your hand over the end of a vacuum cleaner when pipe its a sealed system it raises the rpm of the vacuum motor.
Creating a leak is like the open end of a vacuum. Slower speed on the motor more load.
In the case of target only 10 psi and you have a leak and the car commands more wastegate to achieve target 10 psi then I could see a higher rpm.
I believe you already showed a video with a pro charger with a leak bending the crank from belt pressure.
I think what they are actually doing is creating back pressure in the exhaust from the additional load acting like an engine brake and when you finally shut the bov you create a boost spike from the additional drive pressure to jumpstart the output.
Maybe the turbo needs the ram air effect also like when it's in a car thats in motion. idk its just a guess.
Very cool comparison. Loved it.
Hi guys love you all 💕💕💕💕
❤❤PUT A PRE TURBO TURBO INLINE ,a smaller one just to get the big one up spooling quick lol.
?? So what would happen if a transmission and torque converter were in front of the dyno contraption thingy ?? Too hard to do? Too dangerous? Too much time to set up?
But is there a setuo and tuning advantage to be had?
Very interesting. I’ve always wondered, is it even possible to daily drive an F4 ProCharger, or even and F3 ProCharger. They both run off of gears vs belt.
Maybe the turbo engine needs rocket anti lag ?
What size fuel rails are used on a SMX? Cleet's new Pro Line Hemi has a 16AN fuel rails which is like 1 5/16" inner dianeter. 😂
I know I am late but can’t you just add dome and hold the gate shut to get her spooling. Or is the turbo too large and exhaust pressure just not enough??
Correct
Can you use the dyno load to simulate the converter and track load? This from a guy who knows little to nothing. Would a chassis/hub dyno give better data?
So cool you can build these motors and hand it to someone .With the gear ratio, track is different but you got them in the ball park to make it work. Facts don't lie and you have no reason to change the facts. That would be like lieing to yourself
You Sir have taken this ICE to it's max. Much Respect. Street engines should not be able to do what you make them do.
Thrown away ?! I'll pay shipping for ur scrap 😂😂
To refresh this is the one for the boat right
But is Kyle going to use a bit of Jamie's monster motors????
Noonan is a mate to a lot of us fellow Aussies 😊
So you can’t get the Dino to have water pressure with a relief valve open in it and when you hit the throttle, the relief valve can close
Dyno 😊
SMX with twin Turbos not a super big single for Drag N Drive. Now for all out Drag i would take a SMX with a 14/71 on top
Doesnt methanal make way more HP vs E85???
I see a SM Extream Dyno for real load world being created by that brain.
Just saying....😊
LOL at the cleeter peter beaters in the comments...
"reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee he's using a Mopar in a camaro!!" hahahaha
so stunned
I do have a question cause I’m in the process of wanting to build a nitrous g body. For nitrous cars, is it best to run high compression?
Ya dont do this at home until you see Steve learn all the expensive choices.
Sounds like you need to get a setup for connecting a transmission to your dyno
Needs a track dyno that simulates the race track not just horsepower and torque.
@@GaryH-pw9cmhe has one, it’s called a hub dyno
Great videos, as always. There was only one problem… I’m from New Jersey and it’s “wooder” 😂
How come you couldn't just do rolling antilag to build boost and sit exactly where you want it before doing the run?
Garrett bought a PLR hemi for his eagle promod.
Hope he enjoys maintenance.
He was so amazed at not having to pull the intake on the hemi to service the heads. I’m like, dummy Steve said the smx was designed with the same intent.
It’ll be interesting to see the support he gets vs SME’s support.
The whole reason he had issues with the SMX WAS because he didn't maintenance it. I hate to call the baby ugly but....
@@jameshenson4871 careful, youll get everybody triggered. LOL
@leftyo9589
Yep, I am absoulty sure Steve doesn't mind the competition with Garrett having a pro stock motor for the eagle because Garrett will find out the Hemi will break without maintenance, just as the SM Engines will as same as all engines.
Let me be clear, Garrett's team is not mentally equipped to handle these types of engines. They are great part switchers but not much more.
But the support with SM engines is just an arms length away.
Can we please see a top fuel blower on a smx with machincal fuel injection please would love to see what horse power it makes and what it sounds like
@stevemorrisracing
What are your options on turbine housings? A smaller A/R would probably work wonders for you.
A beginner with 2000hp pro charger that's scary lol love the video
Awesome! Love the hour specials!
Awsome video a lot of truth in those grafs
So the sme going back into mullet and the smx into EAGLE?. Lets go almost 500k subs
That’s my guess. The 540 BBC will go back in Mullet.
Cleet sold the smx back to Steve. Mullet is using the old bbc and Eagle is probably going to have a proline hemi.
Where was this talked about?@@alfredolopez1396
@@danmyers9372mullet won't be the same! Smx was taking mullet where it never been, bbc not going to do it.
The procharge starts working right away and just keeps going.
Don’t forget to rebuild it. Put the daily driver tune on it
Steve, you make. real good engine noises😅
❤ load only Applies to acceleration all 2 step disengaged and the normal peramader map takes over
You would need to put a smaller turbo in series to spool the bigger one faster at lower rpm
would it help to have large blower fans infront of engine blowing into intake/rad
9:03 WARTERR, WADDA, WATER COOLED
Thought you said you can flip the gears. Put smaller gear on cranck to slow it down
Yo Steve you are showing your hand control.. and what its control speed was doing brother
Dual compound turbos?
Your using Methanol or E85