Everything You Know About Eren Is WRONG
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Yes we need more AOT Nick
Amazing video ❤️
oii btw this is just my anecdotal evidence but you got a serious bot problem in your comment section...sending people to telegram saying theyve won something...happened to me twice...idk if you can ban certain users
@@joeycampbell940 lmao i just said the same thing
his is the first channel ive actually experienced it on...initially i was honored but now its just annoying
The assessment that Eren didn't care about his friends towards the end completely ignores the conversations he had with everyone in the paths. You know the one where he lays out that by becoming public enemy number 1 he gave all of humanity a new enemy, gets rid of all titans, and even crippled all world militaries so Paradise has the time it needs to catch up to the rest of the world technologically.
Eren didn't just decide we'll I have to kill everyone now. He waited and waited for a solution that wouldn't make him have to do that. He didn't choose revenge over his friends, or else he would have simply controlled all the Eldians to stop them from fighting back. He chose his friends over the world, even though he had to lose a few.
Eren's fate sucks. There was never going to be a right answer to his life and he got to physically see that.
Right I was like he tripping when he said that he don’t care about his friends like did he read the manga😂
He chose revenge and his friends. The free will given to his friends to stop him and the freedom for him to carry out his plan of revenge.
I always liked the quote by eren in the beginning, “I'll kill them, I'll kill every last one of them." I find it cool that he never specified that he was gonna kill the titans. Kinda like foreshadowing
whatever keeps him from being free. Hahahah
Facts!!!!
And he says it again in S4
Indeed. It doesn't matter who the "oppressor" really is to him. If he feels that he's being held down from what he believes as freedom, he'll seek to destroy them in their entirety. That complete leap he takes is what makes him so terrifying, since he will stop at nothing in accomplishing this goal if he has the power to or not. And, when he does have power like what we've seen, then shit goes down.
I mean… he never specified that he meant Titans, but he had no clue that humans across the sea were his enemy. There is definitely a ton of subtle foreshadowing in this series, but I think that you’re kinda reaching with this one. He’d made it very clear in season 1 and 2 that he wanted to wipe out the titans. If there was some indication that there were humans who were the enemies of the Eldians at this point, I’d be much more willing to accept this, but due to the ignorance of the Eldians at this point, I believe that you’re grasping at straws.
Eren: Who's the final Enemy of the series?
*Pieck points at Eren*
If Zeke hadn't arrested Grisha, then Eren wouldn't have existed.
Damn, incredible that you turned 3+ hours of work into a 40 minute masterpiece
Wish I could take all the credit but my editor is huge in that process
Eren Yeager represents us in life. We all are happy children only to grow up and deal with the harsh cruelty of reality.
get some women dude
Touch some grass my guy
Yeah but eren wasn't a happy kid.
Just get some original take, NPC @jacobstewart
No no he doesn't cause most normal people have good morals that you where raised with.
This is a very well constructed argument but It feels like you were purposely not giving information about Eren that goes against your argument. But hey it’s not a fan theory if it’s believers dismiss evidence against it.
35:03 Yeah, he called them hypocrites and monsters, but he also noted to Reiner during his initial attack on Marley that they were the same after all.
Imagine Eren's mom Carla was just waiting for Eren on the other side.
A good video would be how and why the walls are set up the way they were
Pls do a video on if kakashi died during the pain fight or if jiraiya survived the pain fight or listing all naruto arcs worst to best
NC: "He's a sociopath!"
Me, with ASPD: "Why you gotta say it like that?"
Anyone who says Eren is a sociopath or has not empathy has no knowledge about Anti-social Personality Disorder. Killing men that destroyed someone’s family with no remorse is most definitely not abnormal for a huge amount of humanity. If someone killed someone you cared about just to steal some money most people would not have a second thought about hurting them.
Most anime characters develop their resolve as the story progresses eren already had and understood his own resolve from birth
This is an anime.. so I’m backing Eren 😂. I always knew what he was about and that world needs to restart
There is too much evidence that shows Eren is in the right for what he did it was either the rest of the world does genocide on all the Eldians of Paradise island or genocide on the rest of the world that wants to kill them.
@@shadowslayer9988 Some would say you could use the titans to destroy the rest of the world’s military and only destroy the decision makers and their families (because of revenge motivation from surviving family), but it’s an anime so I’m okay with what Eren decided 😂
3:57 he was about to spit that out so fast LMAOO
I would love to see more videos like this one! I love long form videos but I understand why we don't get them a lot
Who else understands eren Yeager as much as I do
Me.
Most of them who watches the show with enough focus.
I wasn't surprised by what Eren planned on doing to the rest of the world. Looking back i noticed that what really kept him fighting was that he still had people to kill. But thanks for your explanation behind his character really helped.
You're right the 360 no scope to Sasha being shot was hilarious.
Eren is the protagonist. It doesn’t matter if he is good or bad, he is the main character. “Antagonist” is the person who opposes the main character. If the story is about captain hook, then that makes peter pan the antagonist, even if he is the good guy.
Rumbling, Rumbling, it's coming!
Rumbling, Rumbling!
Beware!
Coming for you!
26:38 "frIENds" voice crack lmao
Just as a heads up for people on headphones when the 360 no scope comes up it’s loud as freak
Props to you. Everytime I’ve even hinted at my opinion people crucify me in the comments.
Wow....this makes me appreciate Eren's character more
I honestly dont think Eren hates Mikasa and Armin.. He only said those things against them to make sure that his friends would go against him because they should see him as a hopeless case and fight him
The attack titan has the power to see the past and future not the founding, that’s why eren was able to force his dad to kill the reiss family
When obi-wan says that only the sith deals in absolutes that is a absolute which means that the Jedi have fallen and are like the sith
I've always thought that Sasha's last word wasn't "meat". I don't know Japanese so take what i say with a grain of salt. But in Japanese the word for meat is "Niku." I always thought that in her last breath, she was trying to say Niccolo, or maybe Niku as a nickname for him and knowing her, her friend assumed she meant meat. I also thought the only person who understood that was Eren and there's why he hysterically laugh/cries
Said this multiple times before but I'll say it again. Eren was right, in the wrong way.
Let me explain, the people of eldia were hated not cuz they were evil, but by Simply EXISTING that's it, as long as they existed they would be hated and killed and used. Zekes plan was bad too. He was offering the eldians die out from history but why should they have to stop existing so the world can be a better place? Sacrificing a whole culture for others happiness, innocents losing hopes and dreams. So screw it eren wanted to erase the threat of eldians (by stopping their titan heritage) and then he became the world's enemy so that the world would stop hating the people. But if you read the final chapter you'll see that eren failed still. Eldians were still killed off
eren DID care about sashas death. its just how he copes with this situation is to laugh, like with hannes
Yessss people believe it’s a reference to the meat thing on the walk where they ate meat together as they say your life flashes before your eyes
@@jamesgiacomo8880 damn never thought of it that way
pretty much when Eren came into contact with historya he got the future memories of what *NEEDS* to happen through the influence of present Eren (basically manipulating all past Erens choices) and there setting the path of the show
Pretty sure eren could only talk to other attack titan shifter and other mindless titans through time
16:23 Pretty sure Eren could only contact all subjects of Yimir with the founding Titan no? The attack titan only lets you contact past users of the Attack Titan. Could be wrong tho
Nah bro grisha knew about the reiss family and the rumbling cause he could see eren memories from the future
@@jpthastoner8217 Ooohh I thought Eren sent Grisha memories who then passed them back to Eren. That way he found a roundabout way to send himself info to make the rumbling happen
@@eddievarela10 nope best example is Eren Kruger when he told grisha to have a family and protect armin and mikasa even tho they weren’t even born or thought of because he could see the memories of eren yeager
that edit was, in fact hilarious
Its a story of real war. That there is no right or wrong. No good or bad. Just death. Just hatred. Just WW2 but animated and with magic powers and different names.
I do not think this youtuber understand that good and evil is very subjective which is especially true in war just look at the Russia and Ukraine war.
@@shadowslayer9988 nah what he said was right as well. Eren is a socialpath
@@thinhsuynhuoc A sociopath is someone that has no emotions or empathy Eren does not display these qualities if you watched the anime and read the manga you can see that.
@@shadowslayer9988 ah right. I also thought this. What would eren be diagnosed with? Is it mental at all or is it philosophy?
@@thinhsuynhuoc Eren knowing he was going to die probably messed him up mentally I mean imagine knowing how you die in the future but it is not from getting old.
Eren choosing to bite his hand rather than using anything else to transform like a knife for example is proof alone he’s a psychopath let’s be real lmao
I LOVE THIS VIDEO!!! The best breakdown of Eren I've heard yet
Idk about this video you made a lot of good point but saying he never loved his friends is just not right is just not true. I believe he did what he did for his friend and family
It is a fact he did it for his friends and for the people of paradise island he says it in the anime.
I don't think it really matters if you like or dislike Eren, I think it's more of if you understand him. Understanding him and what he did doesn't have to correlate with feelings. Like if a father murders his daughter's rapist. He is a murdered, which traditionally is bad. But does the reasoning change that? It's like that with Eren. You don't have to like him, you just need to realte and understand
Also, Marley literally didn't have to attack the island at all. They didn't even know anyone else existed. So that in itself does show that Marley never wanted peace or cared, they just wanted to kill everyone there. Or greed for wanting the rest of the titans. Either way, it was unnecessary. So I can see why Eren can to his conclusion. Even if you didn't kill everyone, it would just create more kids very vengeful like Eren was. So that wouldn't end conflict anyway.
nah wait eren can't speak to all the subjects of ymir across time. the reason he was able to speak to grisha is because the attack titan is able to see the memories of its past AND future users. so what grisha was seeing was eren's memories of the moment being sent back to him as they were happening [also re-established by the fact that when grisha leaves the reiss temple-type place, he speaks directly to eren saying he doesn't understand why eren won't show him all the memories]. other subjects of ymir cannot access that special ability of the attack titan so he can only speak to them in that moment. the paths stretch out beyond and around time but are fundamentally inaccessible to people unless that person has the founding titan and royal blood or has one and makes contact with someone who has the other. the only other scenario where he speaks to all the subjects of ymir is only AFTER he basically breaks the rules and becomes the founding titan instead of simply holding its power. so he couldn't have stopped all those murders. that said, don't think he would've done it. that... is a scary scary man
I think you're completely wrong about this. You deliberately skip over huge chunks of Eren's character - Eren is the one to stand up and say they shouldn't use the rumbling, they should try every other option first. You try to reframe moments in the series to support your argument that Eren is a sociopath, but you try so hard, that you end up completely misunderstanding those moments - for example, saying Eren is overreacting at the death of his mother and destruction of his home. You also say Eren has to choose between protecting Annie, his friend, or fighting/killing a titan, who is also Annie. You're trying to tell me Eren is wrong to fight Annie who came to Paradis to kill everyone in the walls, and that he should instead be fighting the survey corps???
You also say Eren is a sociopath because he says he wants to join the military to kill titans. You say people don't join the military with the goal to kill. What do you think the military does? You can tell me 'You should want to join the military to protect your country'. Ok, and how do you think the military does that? Do you think people join the military thinking they're not going to kill people? But even more than this, at that point in the series, Eren doesn't know titans are humans. You can't empathise with the titans here, because at this point, the titans are representing the role of the oppressor - mindless, something you cannot reason with, wholly violent. Eren is not wrong to want to kill them. And Eren does end up showing empathy towards the titans once he finds out the truth about them, but you skip that too.
It's clear to me you don't understand what oppression is, you don't understand Eren, and you don't understand this series.
There is so much I can say about this video. So much about the insensitive and offensive suggestion you make about the Jewish people at the end. I don't think you're a bad person, but you just got careless with your words.
What I will explain, is that when Eren says he was disappointed to learn humanity existed beyond the walls, he is not saying that because he wants the world to be empty. There are so many fundamental parts of Eren's character that you don't understand or even acknowledge. One of these is that one of Eren's MAIN ambitions in the series is to make all the lives lost, all the lives sacrificed matter. That's Eren in chapter 1. From the beginning of the story, the soldiers in the survey corps are sacrificing THEIR lives, for the sake of the people who live in the walls. They are fighting for humanity's survival, believing if they don't take a stand against their oppressors (the titans), humanity will be doomed, humanity will never be free.
Eren shares those beliefs and wants to make those sacrifices matter. Eren finds out that humanity exists beyond the walls. This is hurtful for him, because if humanity was never under threat, then what did all those people die for?
The answer is nothing. Levi squad, Marco, Thomas, Mina, Hannes, Erwin, and so on. All these people died for NOTHING. There was no reason for Marley to send titans to terrorise Paradis. There was no reason for his mother's death. (Marley attacked Paradis for their resources. They sent RBA to kill everyone there. They didn't have to do that).
This is why he's disappointed. All the fighting, all the suffering they have endured up to now has meant nothing. And the WHOLE WORLD want the people on Paradis dead. In the near future, everyone on Paradis WILL be dead.
This series offers that the responsibilty of the strong is to be kind (Levi's character). Marley and the global powers are the strongest, yet THEY CHOOSE to oppress. The oppressed has no say in that. They cannot reason with the oppressor to let them live. Only the oppressors have the luxury of choice, and are the only ones who can choose peace. Eren TRIES peace, which is more than can be said for the likes of Magath or Tybur or the rest of the world who make no attempt at peace. Ultimately peace fails for Eren, because he is the oppressed. The only way the oppressed can gain their rights back is by FIGHTING for them.
Eren learns that the responsibility of the strong is to protect the weak, and when you have a great power, like the Founding Titan, you have an immense responsibility. Eren, as the (sort of) strongest in Paradis, but nowhere near the strongest in the world pre-rumbling, has a responsibility to protect his people. OR, he can let them die. It's not his fault that these are his options. And he DOES feel IMMENSE guilt, IMMENSE pain over this. He desperately wants another way.
btw the difference between Reiner attacking Paradis, and Eren attacking Marley's military in Liberio is that Paradis DOES NOT POSE A THREAT to Marley. Marley poses a MASSIVE threat to Paradis.
You also say the answer to Eren's problems is for Marley to be prosecuted in the same way the allies prosecuted Germany after ww2 (is prosecuted the right word idk). Paradis doesn't have allies. Marley are not the only problem. The world agrees with Marley that the people on Paradis should die. So now what's the answer?
+ If Grisha has no choice when he injects Eren because ~fixed timeline~ then surely Eren is absolved of what he does in your eyes because the ~timeline~ has dictated his actions. Of course Grisha has a choice. Eren never controls Grisha. Grisha always has a choice.
+ Eren doesn't go back to the past to tell Erwin, because what can Erwin do? The oppressed cannot convince their oppressor to let them live. The path for peace can only be chosen by the strong, and the strong are the oppressors, but the oppressor will never choose peace because of how much they benefit from the suffering they inflict on a group of people.
Completely agree this video is completely wrong. Saying that Eren doesn't care about his friends. The rest of the world want Eren and his people dead. That was made clear in chapter 123.
@@universal1771 Yes!! So often in the series you see Eren caring about his friends - holding Armin's hand as Armin cries, telling Mikasa to join the MPs because he wants her to be safe (but she thinks he's trying to get rid of her). Eren's violence is only ever a response to someone else's violence. It's so frustrating that this interpretation of Eren - 'he's a violent sociopath who wanted the world to be empty' - has gotten as big as it has. It just completely ignores huge chunks of the series, and reframes moments to be total nonsense. omg. But even over the years, the idea that Eren gets angry for no reason, or cries too easily has persisted by 'fans' who didn't understand the story. so idk why I'm surprised that people who can't understand the trauma Eren suffers in episode 1, aren't able to understand this series or Eren as a character at all.
This series was about oppression. It wasn't about some guy who liked killing people.
I might start watching this that your talking about it
He’s just misunderstood 😂😂
Eren laughing over sashas death isn't out of character at all. When he and Mikasa encountered titan Dina and Hannes was killed he did the same thing. Laughing about how powerless he actually is to save the people he cares about despite the power he actually has
I have a habit of liking your video first before watching it
Can someone let me know what song he plays in the background every video? Trying to find the name it’s so catchy
Samidare from Naruto. I wanted to find this back a few months ago but when I asked in his twitch chat, he didn’t know so I went through all the Naruto OSTs and finally found it.
@@Rachiesx3 thanks so much!! Appreciate it!
@@chrislee9094 you’re welcome! 😊
You wouldn’t be violent if someone was trying to assault your little sister and you felt like it’s you or them? Please. Put someone in erens situation and the inner beast would come out in most of us
Damnn y’all did Sasha dirty 😂😂😂
Can you do a video on juzo
can we get a Ackerman vid?????
37:57 this is wrong. He laughed because once again he failed to change the future he saw not because he didn’t care
THANK YOU.
He really couldn't that's why he laughed he was helpless to do anything you shouldn't change the future no matter what it will ruin the outcome so he saw that and knew he couldn't do anything
Thank you for correcting his misinformation.
Correct, when eren has an extreme realization that his actions are useless to saving those he cares about he laughs at his own weakness ( he did this when Hannes got eaten and he couldn't do anything about it
Yeah, I like the video, but him ignoring the crying to prove a point kinda made his bias a lil too obvious. Eren is a dynamic character at ALL parts of the story. It's not as simple as a villain origin story.
I love ALL of your content but yeah bro. You missed a key part in why he killed Willy Tybur and everybody else there… it was the whole world agreeing to attack Paradis.
I use this as an example all the time. If your whole neighborhood hated you and made it quite clear they would NEVER stop attacking you, would you sit back and take it?
Paradis has been getting pooped on for a hundred years and it’s all because Marley kept sending titans there. Eren lost his mom, his dad, his close friends, his sanity, and childhood because of hatred. The literally held a WORLD meeting about attacking Paradis.
Eren did the only thing he could do to stop having his people be attacked after being attacked all their life. He knew he would be the enemy but like you said so yourself Nick, “He puts his friends above humanity.” He became the monster so his friends could be safe. Paradis gave numerous amounts of warnings but did Marley stop? Nope. They got the rest of the world to help attack Paradis. They were warned 🤷🏾♂️
Spot on
Well said
You nailed it 🔥
There are a few references to this theme, specially with erwin saying he needs to be the devil, and berthold saying "someone as to do it"
Your example isn't exactly accurate. Its more like all the adults in your neighborhood hate you because you work at a company that can get anyone arrested. Would you then use that power to get all those people arrested, including their kids?
Eren did care about Sasha, I felt like he laughed out of the irony of the situation. Of the first time he met Sasha, she was obsessed with meat and food. And when he asked what was her last words it was pretty much that. You could tell he was crying too
exactly... I've actually had a similar situation irl and laughed hearing the terrible news. Idk why its just how my brain reacted i guess
That’s how Eren reacts to something tragic happening. When Hannes died he laughed like a maniac. He can’t handle people he cares about dying and he’s not laughing at the fact they died he’s laughing at himself. Despite having all this power he still can’t save the people he cares about.
Eren laughed because he saw Shasha's death way back in S3 when he kissed Historia's hand. He thought that he could change the future so when he heard that Shasha died he knew he couldn't.
Bruh...he literally said everything he did was to ensure his friends have a long and "peaceful" life. He doesn't just kill anyone and feels nothing. It's those that take away others' freedom that he feels nothing for or despises das why he still cries and feels guilt for murdering everyone else
he lied. he did not have to kill 80% of the worlds population and decimate entire ecosystems to give his friends a “peaceful” life. he was just a piece of shit and if it didn’t directly harm his friends that was all that mattered. eren is a bad person but that’s what makes him a good character
Almost as if people have more than one motivation.
And what people don’t wanna mention is the fact that they went to Marley and they attended the meetings there, those people had no interest in negotiations they wanted to commit genocide on Paradis. Erin took the only options he had to reset the cycle of hatred.
Idk think about as an eldian or as Eren. These people from across the ocean seemingly hate us for shit that happened centuries ago and are actively trying to kill the island even before forming the alliance against the island. It made no sense why Eren would just stop at 80% and let some people from the outside world live. There is obviously still gonna be hate in the world since there is still the opposing side. The manga even showed the cycle repeating so Eren sacrifice meant nothing but 100 years of peace when it could've been peace forever if he just wiped out the remaining 15%. (if you wanna count paradis as 5% that's at least how I'm looking at it).
@@aloox395 He left the other 80% but it’ll be difficult for them to invade paradis also people from paradis are the ones that stopped Erin so it’ll much better to use him as a scapegoat.
First off, even though I don't agree with a lot of the video, I appreciate the analysis that you have provided. I think AOT can be seen in a lot of ways, and not one reading is by default bad or good.
That being said, I don't think Eren, or any other character outside of maybe King Fritz, can be seen as a "bad person". The story to me is more of a narrative about generational trauma and how it can impact people even when not realizing it. Throughout the story draws parallels to multiple generations of individuals who were unable to surpass the pain and harm inflicted to, or caused by, of their ancestors because of actions taken generations before their own.
To say that Eren "could have" changed his fate and decreased the number of dead is not quite an accurate reading to me as well. Eren is not a "good person" by any stretch of the imagination at the end of the story, but he was also 19 years old and a child solder who likely didn't know any better (even if we ignore the causality paradox of him knowing the consequences of his actions at a certain point in the story). He had seen, for his entire life, his family, friends and others die, then was forced with what he thought was a reality that he would not be able to prevent it from occurring. Then he found out that he would have a limited amount of years to live and likely wouldn't even survive to see a peaceful future he wanted as a child. To say that we can mark all of those actions as him being a "sociopath" (when you typically cannot diagnose that until adulthood) is a bit of a stretch to me.
Should he be seen as a savior? Heck no, he killed upwards of 80% of his planet's population. But he never had the chance to truly have the opportunity to determine if he could change his fate and be someone like Naruto either. He was trapped in the paradox of wanting the one thing he could never touch until he was gone.
Had the same thought process! Especially the points about eren being the “bad guys”, “sociopath”, and just all the past experience he went through as a kid. Like who can you label a “good guy” in this show? 😂 if anything I think he is an overly emotional person and at this point is numb to it all (instead of going the split personality rout)
I’m pretty sure protagonist and antagonist have nothing to do with morals. I think they just mean lead of the story and challenge to the lead of the story.
Yep, exactly. An example, in Death Note Light Yagami is the protagonist but it's clear as the story goes on he's a villain.
Someone who actually undersrands.
*Eren Yeager*
Season 1: Kill all Titans
Season 2: Kill all Titans
Season 3: Reason with Titans
Season 4: Kill all enemies.
Actually Season 2 is Learning about Titans.
Saying eren didn't care when Sasha is so wrong, because his reaction is the same reaction he had for Hans without the tears.
In the manga there was tears
Hannes*
I do not know about this video a decent amount of information was wrong.
1) Eren did care about his friends and Paradise island he says in the anime and manga you even see evidence that supports this. When Eren father tells the holder of the founding titan in the Reiss family to use her power to protect Paradis island she says that the Eldians deserve to be killed off (even though she herself is a Eldian) Eren is showing pissed off listening to her say that.
2) You failed to mention that Marley and the rest of the world knew that the Eldians had there memories erased yet they still killed and tortured Eldians for fun and would turn them into pure titans and send them off to Paradise island to kill the people there.
3) Marley started war with Paradise island first as they sent Reiner, Berholdt, and Annie to Paradise island looking for the founding titan. Which resulted in them kicking down the walls killing thousands of people including children. So Eren attacking Marley was a retaliation strike.
You did an excellent job but I can’t help but feel that you missed a really key moment in erens decision. That being the meet with all the world leaders and they all declared eldia as the true and only enemy.
With that said Erens mind was made up entirely at that point hence him storming out of that meeting.
That to me was a very pivotal moment I would have loved for you to touch on because that moment itself was a very defining moment… to me lol otherwise excellent job lol lmk whatcha think
Definitely wish he went over this
@@djrycroft1910 me too it’s a very key moment
WRONG! Eren Yeager is the hero who does what is needed. He didn't start the fight, but he damn sure finished it. Team Yeager baby.
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If people actually read the dam manga properly they would see why Eren started the rumbling all the evidence is there.
I felt like the least Eren could've done was impregnate Mikasa before he died. 😂
Nah, he impregnated Historia before the ending was changed. It's too bad Isayama retconned his own story.
Wtf bro
What
Yessir
@@aaronyaygeris that confirmed
That technically doesn't mean he's not the protagonist. The "protagonist" doesn't have to be the good guy, it can simply be the main or most prominent character the story follows..which is Eren 🤷🏾♂️ still, love the video 🔥
ya, the better wording would be that he's an antihero
I feel like you missed that Eren did care when Sasha died, he had the same reaction as to when Hannes died. He laughed at himself for being unable to save someone close to him, he essentially had a mini-mental breakdown.
At the point of the story where Eren joins the military to kill all titans the titans aren't looked at like people. They're mindless monsters that kill and eat humans just to kill, not needing to eat humans to survive. So I feel like him wanting to kill all titans is justified at that point in the story. But genocide is still wrong lmao.
Great video as always!!! Could you do analysis videos on Floch and Gabi? Also, the Zoldyck family from HXH and characters from Chainsaw Man?
Oh, man. I’ll start by saying the narrative clearly says Eren is in the ~wrong~, but there’s a lot of context you’re either not adding or artificially adding.
1. Eren isn’t a sociopath. He’s doesn’t fit the definition at all. Eren clearly possesses empathy and fits into most social norms. Idk what definition of ASPD you’re using, but it ain’t one I’ve ever heard of. This isn’t a debate about themes; he just doesn’t fit the definition.
2. The universe of AoT is deterministic; he can’t go back and change the past outside of what the universe has determined he does, and you flip flop between this at multiple points in the video; you apply it to Grisha, but you don’t apply it to Eren earlier in the video. I know that people have a pretty visceral reaction to the lack of free will, but that’s part of the larger point of the story. Eren is what he is, just like Armin is who he is. They have no control over it, and this is directly referenced at multiple points in the series, such as Eren’s conversation with Reiner. We identify with Armin being the one in the right because of our nature and experiences that were outside of our own control. We are who we are. Everything is what it is, and Armin lucked out that this is largely his viewpoint - appreciating everything that is. Eren can’t do this because that isn’t who he is, and he recognizes this, so the person that he is attempts to make a world for Armin that Eren believes is most free in his own warped way. Determinism makes anyone thinking about it redefine choice. Choice isn’t conscious.
3. Eren already probably saw the rumbling in the dream given to him by Ymir in chapter 1, and there’s evidence later in the chapter that he knows, at least subconsciously, what’s about to happen when Bertholt and Reiner broke the wall. We don’t know when or if he was able to fully contextualize the dream, but we know that he had at least seen Mikasa killing him all the way back in chapter 1.
4. Reiner is definitely a foil to Eren, but I think you’re missing some of the scope here too. Reiner never grows out of wanting to be a hero in the same way that Eren never grew out of the need to fight for freedom. Eren will always need to fight for freedom, and Reiner will always strive to be a hero. Both are warped and will reason with their actions in order to justify their motivation. “Everyone is drunk on somethin’”
5. You’re absolutely wrong in the conclusion. Eren is for sure driven to fight for freedom, regardless of the body count, but reducing his motivation to just that is superficial, and it goes against multiple plot and thematic points, such as Eren clearly looking for an out when he asks Mikasa what he means to her. Isayama even goes through the trouble of imagining a whole different universe (since this one is deterministic, so you can’t just change this one) to show us exactly what would have happened if Mikasa told Eren how she felt. This universe dictated that Eren would never feel the warm love that Mikasa got from him wrapping the scarf around her neck, Reiner felt from Gabi and Falco, or Annie felt from her father (weird one I know).
The whole series deals with culpability and how we both frame and process it. By the end, all of the characters we follow in the story come to understand this, and it’s why they’re so broken up after they kill Eren. They knew that this was the path he was always going to follow no matter what, but they still love him, and Armin even goes as far as to thank him.
Armin was my favorite character💯
This show is more complicated than people want to believe. It's why there are many opinions about it but I feel it ended in the way it's supposed to end. Great comment ✨
Would love to see more Attack On Titan videos. I know it’s not as vast and intricate as Naruto and maybe harder to make more AOT videos but they would be cool to see even hypothetical situations in some videos. But great content like usual
I really like your analysis. I just one issue and that's that, no really, Eren cannot control Mikasa. He straight up lied to her so she would be angry with him. At this point Eren had been getting good at half-truths, he knew about mikasa's headaches from living with her, but when he asked Zeke, who a student of one greatest Titan researchers if he ever heard of his Ackerman hypothesis, he said no, they seem unrelated and that she probably does care deeply about him. The only thing different about Mikasa is her combat ability, not her mind.
I think that's exactly what he wanted, he knew he'd need an Ackerman. Since Eren didn't see a happy ending with Mikasa in the paths, he tried to make a long enough peace for his friends
While I do think some of Eren's decisions were pretty fucked up, I don't think you could really blame the guy. The way I see it, anyone would've done the exact same thing if they were in his shoes.
i have only watched the naruto franchise and i subbed for naruto content but i like watching these videos there interesting especially when he uses naruto analogies to describe powers in the different animes so that i can understand being a naruto only guy lol
after watching all of this… it just solidifies in my mind that eren of the great mc of all time and he’s the hero
Erin kissing Historia's (Royalty) hand gave him the Timeline Vision, so he recognized killing the Reiss family and saving Historia is the only way that he could activate the power himself. If not, then his first vision would be touching Zeke, which would change the entire story. Also, You watch your mother die, you make a choice. He chose vengeance. Revenge is Human. Human adaptability always resorts to survival. If giving someone else that knowledge can completely change history (because we know simply sneezing on someone can change a timeline) he doesn't know if he survives or not. If I'm Erin i'm always betting on myself, especially when I have a goal since 9 yrs old.
also, lol. If i was BETRAYED BY ALMOST EVERY FRIEND THAT I SWORE TO PROTECT AT EVERY ELEMENT OF MY TEENAGE LIFE, MY VENGEANCE WOULD EXASPARATE TOO
Eren gave his friends a good happy life that they never would have had had he not killed the enemies and the outside world was their enemy .
Marley was using the Titans for the very same thing that the Eldians did.
Technology caught up to the Marlians and the Titans were becoming obsolete . That's why they wanted the founding Titan so bad.
"Humanity will never stop fighting itself until it shrinks to a size of one or fewer". Erwin Smith
Eren's favorite words are "Fight!" and "Freedom."
His favorite sentence is I’ll kill them all
hey nick, is there enough information to make a video on Utakata? I don't remember if he was filler or not, I keep putting off my rewatch, but he was one of my favorite characters
I would love to hear your take regarding Light and Lelouch. Feel that would be a great watch.
The way Eren cried thinking about Mikasa being with another guy. 😢
I know the feeling and it’s fucked up!
If only Eren can physically time travel. He'd be the Future Trunks of Attack on Titan.
Future eren is spotted in season one. Eren with the hoodie is seen in I believe 3 separate scenes in the first few episodes
Great video and content as always. Please make all of the videos you want on whatever topic you want. I love your content
I mean no disrespect with my comment in any way. I love your content and will still support it. Your opinion is your opinion.
I also have to be critical of your video and your opinion, but I disagree with your analysis of Eren completely. I don't think you take into any consideration anything Eren, or his people have been through. You paint this picture of Eren being a bad person/guy to push a narrative that oppressed people should handle their oppressors with mercy they would've never received. Thats a very biased view of the world that can only be viewed by those who have white privilege and have benefited over the oppression of others. You seem to sympathize with the oppressors and think that they deserve the benefit of the doubt and mercy. Luxuries they would have never offered to the people they were murdering and oppressing.
Basically, your entire analysis is "Eren is wrong because you shouldn't hate the monsters who hurt you and your people, or the people who ignored the monsters hurting you. Offer these monsters the mercy, and kindness they would have never offered you"
Is genocide the answer, no but peace wasn't the answer either. Marley was willing to murder a country of people not bothering them at all in complete isolation. Other countries stood back and let it happen. They mistreated Eldians in their country. Yes, he over corrected but not out of evil or rage but out oppression, fear and trauma.
Eren was shaped into the monster he became because of the monsters who oppressed him and murdered his people. His love for his country was so perverted because of the unfair treatment and slaughter he witnessed. He didn't care about the rest of the world because the rest of the world didn't care about them.
I feel like you overlooked thinking it would be easy-ish for Paradis to covertly end the war with Marley and the world with little amounts of deaths.
You mentioned Eren and crew could have just killed the Marley parties responsible for Paradis being attacked. The allied forces tried to assassinate Hitler all the time, but were unable to do so. Also, killing leaders doesn't always lead to a downfall. When the US kills terrorists overseas way too many civilians get killed in the crossfire, and can often galvanize/strengthen said terrorist groups.
The allies carpet bombed and killed hundreds of thousands of German civilians. They also sentenced to death any Nazi soldier who killed someone, regardless if the circumstances led to it being involuntary. While those killed German civilians is still objectively less wrong than committing a Holocaust, there isn't a 100% universally good party there. There isn't typically a simple way to end a war without too many lives lost.
Long story long, war is garbage. Unfortunately, there isn't usually a Naruto way to bridge the empathy gap between 2 hurt parties at war. Lots of shades of black, sometimes grey.
"Lots of shades of black, sometimes grey."
A bleak but far too often true outlook on our world and it's history
Exactly this is literally the plot of Aot war is the antagonist and both sides are wrong but think they are right
I'm begging you to put the naruto statues in a proper display box, it gets me so anxious to see Jiraiya so close to the edge of a table 🫥
Eren was never a villain, because a villain is someone who wants to harm somebody because he is either mentaly ill, or he has bad reasons. But Eren didn't have any of that. He did all of this so his friends and dear ones could live, so it's better to asume that he was an antihero not a villain, because he was a hero who wanted to do something good no matter the methods
Well Eren can look into the memories of the Eldians but not influence them he was able to do this to GrIsha Yeager because he posses the ability of Attack titan which gives him the ability to see into future and he was able to exploit this ability of Attack titan in order to influence him.
*Eren is the best written Anime protagonist of all time*
Chapter 139
TALK YO SH**
Why do you have to be dumb
I'm not quite convinced that as the founder Eren could have altered the events from his own past before he officially obtained the founder... I agree that once he had the founder he absolutely could perceive and alter the entire history of Eldians. But he couldn't change things like the fall of the walls because altering too much in the past would have changed the series of events that lead to him obtaining the founder, which is why he only did things like providing visions to young him and his father
It be really sad and cruel if Eren went back in time and told those guys where Mikasa's family lived.
Obviously hasn’t read or heard the manga Spoilers: that. Doesn’t happen thank god
@@tydragon4545 jesus you had me going
dumb asf comment
That would be funny 😂😂😂 my guy eren a alpha male
Funnily enough, I think he told himself. A 9 year old stumbling upon the hideout cabin in the woods doesn't sit ok with me, he knew he needed Mikasa
i wasnt aware that eren could talk to any disciple of emire i thought it was only attack titans he could talk to
I’m so glad you made this video!!! I have been telling my homies forever that Eren is just a sociopath. It’s obvious. He’s not an anti hero. He he’s the protagonist of the story that happens to be its biggest villain. Protagonist also can just mean the main character. I think we forget that.
You're overlooking the facts that eren hid the memories of Carla dying from grisha, because that would be the thing to force him to give eren the titan. Plus overlooking the fact that, eren waited for armin and hange to find some sort of way to fo this diplomatically and. eren only gives up the search after seeing the party that wanted to spare Eldians hated and wanted Paradis dead. Only then does Eren fully decide to enact his plan. Do I think eren is right? No. But we can't overlook the out of character efforts he took to avoid this outcome. He sets Paradis free by not killing the rest of the world, but killing 80 % and making it a fair fight for people and the others by also taking away all titans. Eren isn't gonna be Naruto, eren doesn't have enough time to find a solution before he dies and before his homeland is killed. Nor will he be itachi and sacrifice his people for the world that's hated his people.
Thank you! People are thinking he should be some "Naruto" and talk no jutsu. The world is a harsh place and he couldn't find a solution that would end happy for everyone. Zeke's plan wouldn't have worked either cause Marlians and the alliance were dead set on destroying Paradis.
Eren is Eren and he did what he felt was best.
he is a sociopath, but i feel he pulled a lelouch see me as a villian endgame plan. where lelouch made everyone hate and despise him for killing his father taking the throne and planning a live execution of his old crew.
Eren's the person who would go far to take away his enemies Freedom.
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I feel like if u would’ve touched on the manga more it would show a different view of Eren cause this shows him being like bad guy when his reasonings for doing things were justified
As incredible evolution Eren Yeager has Ben undergoing, one thing I cannot figured is why can’t he changed Fate since he witnessed future memories of the attack Titan’s power. Was he unable to because it was all let.., or was Eren unable to do it because he can’t go against his own nature; his own desire? Either way, I do not like him being a villain in the end.
Great vid as always! Your channel is quickly becoming my favorite. Can you do one about Mikasa, Levi, and the Ackerman clan as a whole?
I’ve honestly always thought Eren was villain because of his choices. I wasn’t surprised at all he really is angry and revenge driven right off start. Good Video!
Great and well planned out analysis. My only gripe would be when the world decided that Paradis was their one and true enemy. Even if Eren went back through the paths to try and stop the deaths of his people, it wouldn't have brought them any closer to peace. While the Coordinate and the Attack Titan were missing, Marley would've kept sending their soldiers and might to Paradis until they got it back or completely obliterated the Eldians on Paradis.I do believe (without spoiling the ending) that Eren knew the truth at the end of Season 3 and was waiting on a better solution but there wasn't any. Genocide is terrible, but what would've been the better solution when the entire world, (of which Paradis had no knowledge, no weapons, and no transportation so they were sitting ducks,) saw you as a threat and wanted to eliminate you? It sounds terrible, but I would've chosen my friends and loved ones I was raised with too, everytime.
I mean there's also the train scene where Eren says he still truly cares about his friends. I think he's doing all this because he sees it as the only way to protect them
Prior to that scene, Eren was hoping that some kind of piece could be reached diplomatically.
That couldn't happen so Eren knew what had to be done. And that was the moment Eren lost his smile, except when they all got drunk in the tent.
However, Eren made one last attempt to change the future and that's when he asked Mikasa how she felt about him.
Ayeee I’m currently watching AOT and I’m on season 3!! I’ll like this video. Keep up the good work!