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Welcome to a fresh take on the role of holy books in our lives. In this video, I dig into the big question: do we really need to read these books to understand or critique religion? I'll share insights into why many folks lean on holy books, why some insist you must read them, and the influence of celebrity endorsements.
I am Vimoh, an Indian atheist and my videos have to do with religion, atheism, Indian culture, and sometimes contemporary political happenings.
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Don’t believe anything just because I said it, or said by some elders, or said it in some book, unless it is acceptable to your sense - Periyar EVR
Yes so don't also believe in Periyar or Karl Marx blindly
@@srabanbanerjee7590 every periyarist know that, we are unlike banarjee Brahmins
This is so relatable. All of my debates with my family end with "read this book", to which I reply "You say you've read the book, then why can't you explain to me what you have read?"
When people point at celebrities who read books written by their ancestors, they are indirectly discriminating none but their own community.
Thankyou, your video is what exactly I would like to share with the world
Hello
Why u have kept hindu name 2 urself... Why don't u keep u r name hydrogen , aluminium or NS0922
Thank you Vimoh Sir for this video❤
Yes this happened many times with me and other peoples in front of me where I am not involved but listening them carefully (In college, offices etc)
People can't hear a simple truth, so they start giving names of Texts or other sources but in real what they want is to say" Shut up, don't talk about this"
Wholeheartedly agree with the point that you do not need to spend hours reading 10000 pages of a book to be eligible to comment on the cruelty of a social evil or as you said, practice basic human decency.
But I would suggest viewers to carefully practice this, i.e. criticising something that needs to be criticised, yes you don’t need to read a holy book to do that, but you shouldn’t disregard the holy books without reading them, and ik that wasn’t even the point of your video, but I feel like some people will misinterpret it for that even though you were pretty clear about why you don’t need to read scriptures or holy books
Vimoh let me tell you I've read some of the books in school there's a little bit of philosophy you can learn but then I've heard more philosophy listening to metal than there
METAL FTW
One of my friend said you have no right to comment on meditation if you haven’t reached the finish line yet 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Your take !
Tell him your rights don't come from his assertions.
needed to be spoken
He just put everyone in a box called "they" and proceeded to make judgements on others based on his own personal experience. You know there are places to learn scripture! There are places where a teacher will tell you what it means! What the hell is he talking about!
I'm talking about there being no need to read scripture if one doesn't want to. And I did so because atheists or secular folks are often told they have to. That's all.
@@vimoh How do you know if something holds something of value if you never try to understand it? I think its bad advice.
@@SrMway have you ever tried to read the Harry Potter/LOTR/Game of Thrones books for trying to understand them? Maybe they too contain some real wisdom about the Universe? There are places where a teacher will tell you what it means. You don't know what you're talking about.
@@aditya.sood077 That comment made no sense! Why don't you try to understand my argument before trying to teach me a lesson.
Ghalib Kamal Bhai once said...
If we speak for 100 times, we can be wrong 99 times. But if God Bhagwan Allah and all 5000 religions legends speak for trillions times. They should not be wrong once.
But today we know that every religion has been debunked by science, daily.
As a religious person (who have read his holy book) ,i have to say the point you gave here was right,that people don't read their own religion book even though they are so called religious and you don't have to read all 10000 holy books,but i have to say before criticising about something from that religion,you atleast read that particular part of the book ,so you have proper knowledge about it,no hate,peace ✌️
A theologians can say that. But the fundamental questions of ethics need not arise out of religion. Yes, Draupadi's cheerharan teaches us to be respectful towards women. But the idea to respect doesn't arise from religious text book.
Similarly meat eating. You can cite a religion to show that meat eating is wrong. But I can have an ethical conclusion out of the horrible treatment of animal in animal farms.
What we negating is your proposition that religious texts (Gita,Kuran,Bible,torah,etc.) are the only source of good human teachings.
Hi
I am national since my childhood because my father was .Being a student and then teacher of physics of graduate level I was thoroughly exposed to cosmology relatively QM Edy etc my views about God Creator etc got polished .
I share almost all
Your videos as my status on whatsapp ...And many of contacts have started thinking rationally ....
Nice to know national . What is your interpretation of measurement problem
I think he meant rational and not national.....
Nice job man! If you would , please start visiting right wing channels and fight propaganda right there.
@@nishu2001 oops
@@motherisape Tell me whats the measurement problem?
the last lines were really inspiring 👍🏻
Thats another great video vimoh. Thankyou for keeping us enlighten
Not all scriptures are same. Yes! Not everything even in the good ones is relevant today but few things are life changing for example the words "ma phaleshu kadachana" when I understood changed my attitude.
I have read them the hindu ones.
Atleast the prominent ones. Upanishads and gitas. I like them.
I like them because of experience.
And i am an atheist.
An atheist non dualist.
😑
I dont know you found meaning of life by knowing their is no meaning and i also came to the same conclusion but a different.
Like universe is big i am a small part of my life is not more than a flash.
But i like to think that i shouldn't care about the whole big universe. I am the one who matters. The existence of universe doesnt matter without me. The universe only exists because i do. If i wasnt there then it wouldn't matter if i am there or not.
Thats why i am god. The all powerful one that matters.
Quite narcissistic isnt it.
Works for me.😶🌫️
@@Mad_Man888 yeahh I also thought it when I read bhagvat gita
Even if you tell them the original script in Sanskrit, they will tell you that we don’t have brain capacity to understand
This is the part i disagree with you vimoh. We must atleast familiarize with basic tenets of the religion and why we don't believe in it. That would sound our stand as to why we don't believe in religion more saleable. Democracy is numbers game and we must keep spreading our thoughts not only to standup for our rights but to as a service to nation to reduce religious extremism
For those who want to communicate religion, sure. My point is not that we shouldn't. But only that we don't need to. A huge part of what keeps religious nonsense alive is the idea that these books are important. I don't think they are. They're just some books, no more and no less important than any other book.
You're going to become an expert at throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I agree that to counter a religiously fanatic it is better to read those texts, understand it and then comment about it.
But the idea at hand is more nuanced. A new born in society (7-8 years) need not require religion at all to learn good human behaviour. Religion is not the source of moral ethics. You may learn from Draupadi's story that one should respect women and not treat them as objects. But that is not the only source because people respected women when there was no mahabharat.
The source of morality is not a religious textbook but the process of thinking and experience. If we realise this, one will better understand to not blindly follow a religious nutjob (of any religion).
@@vimoh Sir by religion can u be specific which religion? Bczzz there is a slight misnomer in the term Religion. At least for Hindu or Buddhist perspective the text are not " beliefs" comparing them with BIBLE QURAN TORAH. The texts are philosophies.
The concept of God or the divine as described in various spiritual texts and traditions often highlights that God is an eternal, uncreated, and indestructible essence. For instance, the Upanishads and Brahma Sutras in Hinduism describe Brahman as the ultimate reality-beyond creation, unaffected by change, and the source of all existence. Similarly, Guru Nanak in Sikhism describes God (Ik Onkar) as the eternal, all-encompassing reality that is beyond fear, enmity, and birth.
This divine presence is not limited to any single form or location but is immanent in everything. The idea is that Brahman, or God, is intrinsic to all existence, including our own consciousness. In this sense, seeking the divine in external texts or forms might be a way to understand or connect with this omnipresent reality, but ultimately, the divine is also within each of us, in every thought and action. The divine essence pervades everything, so understanding and experiencing this truth involves recognizing it within ourselves and the world around us.
I am going to write my own holly book.
your immaturity level 100%
Really best one thinking the way ❤
Read about history, read comics better than religious books
I would also like to add to their response, that this much is bad, or taken out of context by the society- but look at that one it is such a wise advice. Good video
I read some of the books. And let me tell you , the more you read, the more you know, times haven't changed even a bit. But when one reads, one gets more of a context on why things could have been the way they are, and gives a broader perspective. To me atheism seems egoistic. ' I don't know' seems a much humble and better attitude. Even mathematics have paradoxes which might lead to wrong assumptions for physics as well.
When some guru's or someone says something to believe in without any evidence,dont you think it as egoistic...?and before talking about maths ans physics you should learn it properly.Every day we can see maths and physics working? Do you see any magic in religion working
@@dineshhebbar7523 my friend ...the Babas are stupid of every religion..but religion as an individual's personal beliefs that makes him go beyond his own capabilities and do the undoable...is working every moment
no sir , no need to read scriptures in pressure or just to learn superstitions , but to make own life better , and then one should really choose real scriptures out of so much stuff present in the name of dharma
and again , these are the books which will help you know your self , without reading wisdom literature you will lead to an unsatisfying urge to consume , you will be violent in a subtle way towards all , these books , if you really came to understand them will liberate you , thats why they are most important ones
If you don't read religious books you'll never understand from where problem of castism is coming from..
Which religious book? There are many, and most of them are not very well translated and collected.
Yes if u don't read religious books u will never be able to find where the concept of Flat Earth come from or myths like A person cutting the moon in 2 halves come from or from where "kafirs" , " jihad" or eliminate nonbelievers in Islam comes from..
Or one could just pick any of the hundreds of books out there critiquing the holy books with specific references. Those authors have actually done the groundwork.
Probably one could also pick critiques of those books which critiques holy books with more nuances.
@@zakymalik6920 Let me quote Hitchens here - "If you make the assumption that religion is man-made, then there's not much left to decipher. Everything clears up pretty well."
The fact that you want to give some weight to the counters of religious critique shows you actually want to believe in some of the bullshit without acknowledging that literally all of it is ancient man-made wisdom completely irrelevant and useless in today's world. By doing so, you are giving validation to everything that's happening around the world in the name of faith. And to me, that's morally corrupt & evil.
@@aditya.sood077 Let me quote Hitchens here "If you make the assumption that religion is man-made, then there's not much left to decipher. Everything clears up pretty well."
- why to make assumption and BTW as far as I know hitchen was not a scholar of any religion why should I take him as an authority in matters of religion
The fact that you want to give some weight to the counters of religious critique shows you actually want to believe in some of the bullshit without acknowledging that literally all of it is ancient man-made wisdom completely irrelevant and useless in today's world.
- well no it doesn't imply believing in bs it only imply being honest with critique of religion and critiques of anti religion giving fare chance to both see concept of democracy and philosophy science is also ancient man made endeavors will you reject that as well now you'll say we don't need religion in 21st century but is that really just think do you really think you studied well about religion or religions and it's anthropology are you following neo atheist indoctrination
By doing so, you are giving validation to everything that's happening around the world in the name of faith.
- What do you mean
And to me, that's morally corrupt & evil.
- look in your consequentialist world view of ethics, morality and evil are just arbitrary terms
@@aditya.sood077 why to make assumption to begin with as far as I know hitchens as authority in matters of religion he's neither scholar of comparative religion nor he is well learned in particular religious tradition if you can take him as authority in matters of religion I think you should also take zakir naik as authority in science
What I've doesn't imply believing in bs I've simply stated that critique of religion and critique of irreligious thoughts should be studied equally to be fare to both you can't be baised and pretend to be neutral at same time. And you've said something like we don't need religion in 21 century to me that kinda doesn't make sense given that you didn't elaborated what do you mean by religion and on what grounds you're claims are valid and another thing flaws you may point out concerning religion equal amount flaws can be point out when comes to democracy liberalism etc will you reject those systems as well and interesting thing which you may not know that very idea of liberalism proposed by john Locke was to an extent influence by Christianity similarly lot of things around you that you may never were someway influenced by religion what you atheist usually do is to throw baby with the bath water which I kinda a unreasonable to do.
Talking about so called "evil" rationally speaking evil is an arbitrary what grounds you assert certain act as evil is it on deontological basis or consequentialist basis
why to make assumption to begin with as far as I know hitchens as authority in matters of religion he's neither scholar of comparative religion nor he is well learned in particular religious tradition if you can take him as authority in matters of religion I think you should also take zakir naik as authority in science
What I've doesn't imply believing in bs I've simply stated that critique of religion and critique of irreligious thoughts should be studied equally to be fare to both you can't be baised and pretend to be neutral at same time. And you've said something like we don't need religion in 21 century to me that kinda doesn't make sense given that you didn't elaborated what do you mean by religion and on what grounds you're claims are valid and another thing flaws you may point out concerning religion equal amount flaws can be point out when comes to democracy liberalism etc will you reject those systems as well and interesting thing which you may not know that very idea of liberalism proposed by john Locke was to an extent influence by Christianity similarly lot of things around you that you may never were someway influenced by religion what you atheist usually do is to throw baby with the bath water which I find kinda a unreasonable to do.
Talking about so called "evil" rationally speaking evil is an arbitrary term what grounds you assert certain act as evil is it on deontological basis or consequentialist basis
Hey man great video ,i am religious and as i see no hatred or arrogance in the video and hence goes right through the person who wants to understand
Hey Vimoh
Your entire point revolved around how people who never read the books throw the same books at you when you pick a social evil.
When it is a social evil,it is a social evil regardless of any book endorsing or rejecting it otherwise. But,citing these people only for why one should not or need not read the books is quite illogical.
You are saying that ancient texts will have nothing significant to the common man but some books talk about the basic nature of human greed,ego which rise of from dual view of nature. Now, duality means that the nature is different and I am not part of it and so I can exploit it. These texts talk about ahimsa, truth and the core values for the true self of man. If we throw away the baby with the bath tub, there are not many left now to teach these same values. We must definitely REJECT the books which spur the social evils of this society,regardless of which religion they are from but citing these books and also your valid observation of common arguments of how people without reading the books asks others to read, showing these arguments and asking people not to or saying there is no need to read them is not rational.
Thanks
I ask you the question which book to follow. No matter what you say there will be someone with some other answer. The nuance of the matter is that religion is not the source of good behavior. Our thinking and experience is.
Sad but true: logic rationality steals the liquidity of mind and makes only objective and machine-like and therefore one just lives pulling something---not at ease. You are throughout only on one side, in opposition of religion. Why do you not bring true teachings of religion like a true guru? You are debunking false guru is alright, why didn't you praise kabir or any good, and why will see kabir also as a right wingy thing? Krishna says to work without desiring the result since the existence is subjective and you do not have linear link between the hardwork you pay and and result you get---so focus only on karm(action) this is karm yog---unified source of understanding for an action independent of worldly clutter, which needs you to detach yourself from world. If you(vimoh) know your speeches have truth in it, you will speak it outside of desire, not for your profit. You may do a job for profit, but not wisdom sharing. So you too are here being a karm yogi that krishna suggested. So what is problem here? (If possible, please reply. I consider you hv many messages.) Earlier, I wrote "unified source", you will comprehend this with logic again. Unified simply means a bird's eye view, zoomed out, and it is upto the intention of speaker so one must be volatile enough to reverse engineer what one said and not disprove something which never existed just as you broke the cup whereas it is the vedant itself that says in explicit that "cup is not eternal, but bound in time and space" unification---When one is detached from the world, only now can he see the world in clarity, else, bias. Logic/rationality makes ones mind very dry. Franz Kafka-"little philosophy makes one atheist, too much will bring back to religion" but then one must be receptive enough to realize that he is living a painful life yet getting nothing, being practical while the (real)religious ones are happy in inside their real or fake thoughts. When you do something for so long, you are asleep---because of missing contrast. If you cannot point out the two goods, then your pointing of the bads too are fallacy, out of a reinforced "tendency" built over time.
Though, you score a hundred for temperament and dedication for what you know to be true.
Really ...I am agree with you about it
I wanna ask you a question who made these books holy ??
Coz before advent of invaders there were many civilization writing their own book in their language
And when all religions mixed like now
You named sanskrit books as religious books ??
Does it make any sense ?
Agreed.
Religious texts hold deep spiritual, ethical, and cultural significance, offering timeless wisdom and guidance. Whether or not one finds value in them is a personal choice. If someone chooses to read or follow these texts, it is their right to do so, as these teachings have shaped civilizations and inspired individuals for centuries. Criticizing religious texts as "overrated" ignores their profound impact on millions of people who derive meaning, solace, and ethical direction from them. Just as everyone has the freedom to explore their beliefs, it is important to respect others' right to connect with what brings them peace and purpose.
Okay chatgpt👍
@@yashthedwivedi That’s my creation. I am not like those people who make useless videos in the name of good content and rational thinking .The whole world knows that religious books won’t help in today’s world, except in matters of philosophy or in answering certain questions that drive people to search for the purpose of life or inner peace. The only difference now is that a fancy word has become common, making people believe they are very scientific and educated. However, their so-called education gets exposed when they attempt to discuss science, history, and philosophy simultaneously . TH-cam scientist 🤣🤣
@@pjpiyush-x7m Do you want me to quote certain verses from our glorious 4 cardinal Dharma-Sutrās?😊
1) Gautama Dharma sūtra (12.4 or 2.3.4) :
"Śūdra who, with the intention of learning Vedas, listens to Vedas being recited, and if he recites them, his tongue is to be cut, and worst if he learns them, he is to be put to *death* (atha hāsya vedamupaśṛṇvataḥ)"
@@yashthedwivedi bro there are two type of text shruti and smriti every religion has a base i.e shruti and the verse you are referring is from smriti , smriti are not considered as religious text as it's neither base nor the part of religion . I am talking about religious text not the other text i.e smriti which was made on the basis of religion also people has common sense to distinguish between right and wrong things also in todays world no one reads religious text except some especially during worshiping and the holy text , also i just only saying that if someone want to read that books then they should read that book that's it i am neither against the reading of religious text nor in the support of reading religious text , it should be personal choice
@@pjpiyush-x7m
Take Shrutis. Read the bold part 👇
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"From the breath of the Supreme Being came the Ṛg
Veda, Yajur Veda, Sāma Veda, Atharva Veda, *Itihāsas* ,
*Purāṇas* , Upaniṣads, verses, *sūtras* 👈 , prose *explanations* ,
and Vedic *commentaries* ."
- Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad 2.4.10
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"ṛcaḥ sāmāni chandāṃsi purāṇaṃ yajuṣā saha
ucchiṣṭāj jajñire sarve divi devā diviśritaḥ"
"The Ṛg, Sāma, Yajur, and Atharva Vedas appeared from
the Supreme Lord along with the *Purāṇas* and all the
demigods residing in the heavenly planets"
- Atharva-veda 11.7.24
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nāma vā ṛgvedo yajurvedaḥ sāmaveda
ātharvaṇaś caturtha itihāsapurāṇaḥ pañcamo
"Name, indeed, is: the Ṛg Veda; the Yajur and the
Sāma Vedas; the Atharvana as the fourth; the *Itihāsas*
and *Purāṇas* as the fifth"
- Chāndogya Upaniṣad 7.1.4
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itihāsapurāṇaṃ pañcamaṃ vedānāṃ vedaṃ
"the *Itihāsas* and *Purāṇas* as the fifth; the Veda of Vedas"
- Chāndogya Upaniṣad 7.1.2
One more point - who wrote and edited those holy books? What about the their own disposition of personality , subjectivity, knowledge, purpose and profit??
In fact ignoring the author's intention and believing in those "holy" books as an ultimatum itself is a fallacy.
@vimoh can you point out problem with pantheism.....
1:56
so called Hinduism which is whitewashed version of brhaminism(bhramins that r priests, self claimed higher caste who tried to control the subcontinent population,still trying to, despite being the minority) is hijacked from bodh dharam (initial stages of non idolized version of buddhism) lot of buddha's statues in the south Asia were demolished and uprooted or modified to current day god,goddesses of "hinduism" this were done by the bhramins, even universities run by the disciples of buddha were demolished, taking everything out of the universities and even the teachers so that there couldn't be any non idiolized version education,so lot of disciples moved to central,east ,southeast asia for their safety then it became idolized version which is now what we know as buddism,
also the bhramins did change/bury a lot of ancient texts,historical texts that would make them look bad a lot of part of history from the subcontinent is missing,and the priests were successful to spread the narrative that hinduism is an ancient religion but its not,the first mention of vedas was in 11th century and the language that were written were the language not older than 10 or 8 th century ,so not from 3000-5000 bc as the bhramins tried to claim and by the texts they wrote for hindu texts,they were successful up until now as new archaeological findings r coming regularly that defies what they tried to claim
I am an ex Hindu , antitheist(not against the believers, but I am against any dogma-all religion and even capitalism)
no religions r peaceful or violent in nature, they r just mediums to control masses, which removes critical thinking and engages in tribalism which is bad and regressive. capitalists use their capital to manipulate masses to create violence in the name of religion, race, ethnicity, etc.
religions r one of the best mediums to create a divide between the working class, so that the capitalist class and politicians can exploit and live in luxury.
u can be an antitheist(atheist),socialist,internationalist,third-worldist,supporter of non-human animal liberation,support the future of gender liberation/abolishment.u can't be a nationalist(especially for an imperial core nation),tribalistic, regressive,also don't be anti (Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Daoism,Jainism,Buddhism,etc) bigot.
You have got it all wrong. Read Upanishads. It's science and the pinnacle of philosophy.
you are delusional
Kehne kya chahte hooo 😂😂😂😂
Eventually, bro, start hating brahmins and attempt to act like a liberal😂
😂😂😂😂@@LalitKumar-dp3dj
First , you should read them and then make such videos that you don't need to read them .
You will have your answer that why people need to read them but not only just reading them...even understanding and decoding the language is also necessary.
And how do you know they haven't readed that holy book
Thanks for making my point for me
Do you know who is J Krishnamurti ?
Sure.
@@vimoh do you agree with his ideas of something sacred or timeless , something which is beyond the scope of thought and logic
Which book did he mention this in?
@@vimoh just search jiddu krishnamurti timeless
Or you could come on my live stream and talk about this.
I only hope your videos are seen by Upper Caste people and they change themselves and their families.
I know, there is a limit to my imagination 😅
The video was great.
Sir , a great information by you, thank you for making videos on such topics which no one talks about ; Please make a video on Jainism
I read about 66.6% of the Gita (abridged), and it felt like Krishna was saying the same shit over and over again.
Yes he told same thing again and again, as Arjuna asked that again and again. He was unable to understand so he was questioning. Krishna completed his teachings in the second chapter itself. Rest of it, is just doubt solving.
Geeta is the most boring plain text you will ever read.
@@thedarkknight9335 May be it is. I also felt that in initial days, when I had not sufficient knowledge and understanding. But now I like to read it whenever I face dilemma in decision making, anxiety or anything like that. Anyway, you can leave it and try those books that you like. Everyone don't like everything. There are many ways to solve the problems of life. Geeta is just one of them. It is best for me, as it works for me. I also don't understand many great books, but yet those books are written by great scholars. For me, it is my inability not that the book is shit.
You have to believe first that it is sacred book of divine wisdom then only it appears barely interesting . Remove the title from book and it is a boring , meaningless book with nothing to offer to society .
@@joydeepbanerjee1899😂 5:55to fir lund kata ke Qur'an parle aur fir apne prophet ki tarah rape karta reh
"Overrated" in this context in such an understatement
Vimoh, can theology be considered a part of overall education?
It's a waste of time and money
@@vimoh thanks I am coming from cosmic skeptic.
it can be if it is just about educating people about historical and contemporary practices of religion but humans are biased creatures and they tend to feel superior and conservative towards the religion that they study. By that sense definitely waste of time and money
@@vimohHow about philosophy? I started with Indic philosophy (which may seem like religion at start but is more nuanced) and moved out to western philosophy and ethics literature.
@@udhayveersingh1855time waste and self aggrandisement nothing else
यथेच्छसि तथा कुरु (Do as you wish) ... why don't you talk about how oppressive communistic regimes are ? When people stop worshipping God they worship the state.
The thoughts you're having now were pondered upon by Nietzche long back. The conclusion he came to was not pleasant.
Why do want to worship anything in the first place ?
Don't you have your own brain to think? Are you an infant ?
Now this is gonna be interesting
Sadhguru never reads veda...
Best Topic ❤
World has become way to immoral enough :(
I'd rather read kafka and identify as a bug
Books could be kept alone in a jungle and could do no good or harm unless a person reads it and follows the book. If ur actions and rituals are causing harm to the society which are guided by your book then I don't need to read your book your actions gives the answer to how the book's content is
Your actions give an introduction of how you interpreted the book, not the content of the book.
@@gyanendra_ gud one
So all holy books are free of intent and wholly dependent on people's actions?
@@vimoh I think that books have meaning and intent because they are written by people, including holy ones. However, they are also open to interpretation. People can take the good from these books and reject the bad, just as we do with any other philosophical view. Since all books are written by humans-who themselves are not one-dimensional-it makes sense that their writings will reflect both wisdom and flaws.
Well said 👍
Sir, could you please say about how prophets or messenger makes a prophesis or prediction about future or they have some divine power to it? Or please make small video on it, I am totally confused.
See my old video about how to make a prophecy
Is krishn historical or myth
Krishn is fiction
Orthodox propaganda writers had nothing else to do in life so they created a fictional character
Krishn is fictional
Writers just created a fictional character to control the rabble , dominate them and become a tyrant
@@russianmig2968 any prove ?
Krishna, the god is obviously fictional, however, Krishna, the man MIGHT have existed. Who knows, maybe he was a very intelligent advisor to kings and people wrote legends about him and his teachings. Maybe, he was really a fictional character invented by a random writer.
We cannot know, as we don't have enough evidence to figure out whether krishna was a real man or not.
And why do we even care if he existed or not? The only important reason people even think about the guy are his teachings, go ahead, follow his teachings if they really do make you a good person, be my guest. Nobody's stopping you from being a good person, if you become a good person by following another's teachings 🤷
What's the yard stick to differentiate between right and wrong , if religious books are overrated ???
Religious books are not yardsticks to differentiate between right and wrong.
@@vimoh that's what I'm asking , who will decide what is wrong n what is right according to u ??
@@WarwanWildwoods common sense.
@@ShikharAasalif you don't have a freewill, then what is common sense ? Lol
I don't know ifyou are ever gonna find this but let's go!!
i mean not really vimoh, i am mostly with you for the most part but it doesn't seem like to be the case now, it is just not possible for the opposite side to argue when you don't even know from what background is he or she or anything talking to you is talking about, it does actually makes sense for you or someone arguing against the stupidity of some religious texts to read it first and then come with questions even though it is 10000 pages long, you won't argue with someone about quantum mech. who doesn't even know why tf does earth revolve around the sun. I agree that most who argue don't know shit about anything let alone the scriptures be aside , another argument of yours which i don't agree with is " why would i read someones opinion about things who know much less about universe than me" the reason for you to read scriptures is because the things which changed from the past 10000 years are not the things they were talking about, the only thing they talked about (in most scriptures or cases) were of the things which are eternal and impossible to separate from human conciousness and humans life's questions like' who am i , why am i, where am i , what is life, does life have any meaning, what is death, why am i so afraid of death etc, the questions are endless tbh. They were not talking about what we will be doing in terms of technology etc which we do now, they were talking about things like sufferings which is experienced by every being ever lived on this planet. I know i might seem like the same man who just is here to promote religious stuffs but believe me it is really dumb af according to me to not read the religious texts and just mindlessly comment on them. I know you can clearly see a problem in your argument that you too are commenting on suffs which you have just heard from people or seen what people interpret of it. Yes casteism , racism or patriarchy is shit but you can't judge it from some aspects and claim all of it to be the same and refrain from going forward to see it youself and interpret it by youself just like the point you make that if 9 out of 10 things are true doesn't mean the 10th one is true by itself, you gotta examine all of it indivisually.
Kalki puran is mid.
5:16 ohh every person is not just educated like you , can you tell me in every part of india people will beahve use common sense of empathy, every person is different some has overkindness , over excitement, gets angred all the time .... Do you expect people to behave so christly ... Everyone need a guidance... If everyone behaves like you say then we don't even need a constitution
I've 1 question and that is really very much unrelated to this topic.
Have you heard of swami rama ?
He was a yogi who was observed by scientists and he could hold his breath for like 4 hrs and grow and shrink tumors on his body.
And it was all observed by scientists and why do that swami said that he was able to achieve all this through yoga and books like patanjali yog sutra ?
Please send me links to thr scientific papers that mention these investigations by scientists. Thanks!
I would surely love to. However, TH-cam won't let me put links in the comment section. So why don't you just do a bit of googling it's really easy to come by. Thanks!
Name the scientist and the study. I'll google.
@@vimoh this is really the strongest defense point you have at your side?
You are really no different from the protectors of blind faith.
You are just a blind atheist
@@AK47-666 please share the name of the institution or their website. I would like to Google it as well.
I feel he is really talking about Islam, but worried about Muslim outrage.
All religions. Including Islam and Hinduism.
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Why don’t you invite Acharya Prashant who currently holds a grasp on holy books of Vedant to have a conversation? I hope you quote all the western intellectuals Schopenhauer, Herman Hess or Thoreau who had not only read Upanishads but praised highly of those scriptures 🙏🏾. Also please explain how do you explain the complicated aspects of reality to a 1st century farmer residing in Ganges plains or a tribal from Arab lands in 7th century ?? Also explain why Buddha had to walk the entire northern belt preaching 4 noble truths? Mahavir could easily sit in his palace and enjoy why did he have to do what he did ? I hope while dismantling why one shouldn’t read scripture you also cover what was the need of the holy scriptures or holy books in the 1st place 🙏🏾
Feel fee to come on my live stream and talk about this with me face to face.
@@vimoh sure 👍🏻
@@Truth_Is_A_Pathless_Landdid you join his livestream which was yesterday?
@@one_autumn_leaf69 unfortunately I couldn’t but I watched the video later on
@@Truth_Is_A_Pathless_Land I hope you make your point on this Saturday then, vimoh goes live at exactly 8pm on his channel vimoh live.
Mr Vimoh...Please read ancient Hindu scriptures before posting all this crap...
If you don't want to read don't read, but don't tell anyone what to do or what not to.
If you want to read, go ahead and read. Don't tell anyone what to tell others.
@@vimoh you too bro
@@vimoh same applies to you this is why agnostic are best compared to blind atheists😂 who never see other point of view
@@vigsna true
@@vimohreading things don't cause any harm. For curiosity and knowledge you should read. So one should do critical analysis of the mindset of author and can even judge the calibre or even have rational thinking, after reading your can judge whether religious text is worthy enough to apply in real life or not..and if so do sample sizing then it is beneficial enough for majority of people then it's worthy enough. Stopping people from reading anything is bad idea. Even it exposes the ignorance for knowledge.
Never ever stop making such videos
Aise hi 2 baar mai kisi bhakt ladki aur ladke se baat kr rha tha ..pta nhi kuch baat uthi something related to religion ..maine bhi kuch bola to samne se reply aaya ki "Geeta padho sansar ke sare questions k answer milenge" 😂😂😂
to uspe maine bhi bol dia ki Geeta mei padh ke btao India world mei super power kb tk bnega ?? Kab tk casteism pura khtm ho jaega india mei ? kb tk female related atrocities khtm ho jaengi india mei .. kb humans mars pr colony bna paenge ..2049 mei desh ka PM kaun hoga 😂😂 iske baad ladki ne mujhe block kr dia aur ladke ne aaj tak reply nhi kia 😂
bhai tu jaake soja half knowledge se kuch kaam nahi karta
Too easy questions
I have answer of your question from bhagvada gita
@@ChetanackermanAnswers bata