As you say Grace, "The artist's decision is the art making". I have often asked the question in my lectures, where does the art actually happen? Is it the choice of colour, the moment the brush or pen touches the blank sheet, or the idea?
to me, Duchamps "Ready-Made" art is about engineering. Duchamp is communicating the advent of engineering (mass production) as a new art form. An iphone, for example, communicates with its user not only as a technological device , but as art.
its a chocolate grinder- I read. The detail is that the urinal was entered for a art exhibition this was crucial to it being define? as art or categorised which inducts it somehow- yes it does frustrate when you realise its deftness and point. That it enters into a place where it should not be. thanks for the review I enjoy these
davinci suggested looking at an old wall to see images duchamp was saying that it is the eye of the viewer that makes the art dali was saying look at this the "problem" with discussing all of duchamp's intellectual conceptualism, is we are not merely ideas. there must be communication, and for that there must be a language. so duchamp in the end leads us back to the visual.
It's amazing that he got away with the work he produced all those years ago. While his own brothers were in WW I he was thinking about mass produced urinals, and entered one into an exhibition, and of course it was not readily accepted as you'd expect. However there was real talent on view with his cubist paintings. He seemed to have been his own man all his life. Lots of brain, lots of money, moved out of the way of the Germans during WW I and ended up in New York. My own father was in the British Army in Flanders in WW I. He, came through it without a scratch, but never ever talked about it. He was a happy, clever inventive man. I remember him trying to build a radio and my mother helping him by holding things in place while he soldered them. I remember her saying in a very alarmed voice, "It's getting hot, It's getting hot !" and he's saying "Don't leave go, hang on, don't ............ Oh, hell !" ................ "Well it was burning me !" Another time he invented a new kind of furniture castor. I remember he bought me a big Meccano construction set. WOW ! He never played chess, he smoked strong cigarettes and they are what killed him. He died of a heart attack one beautiful sunny afternoon. And Marcel died of a heart attack and he smoked strong cigars In those days the doctors didn't connect lung cancer and heart disease to smoking. It was only in 1950 that Sir Richard Doll proved the link - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Doll Years later, my sister died through smoking cigarettes. It was at that point I decided to train as a hypnotist in order to learn how to help others give up the addiction. And that's what I've been doing, amongst other things for about the last 20 years. Since I've retired I've produced two high relief paintings WTF - 07 and 08 and you'll see there's nipples and a cigarette - See if you can work out the connection between them - Look here on WWW.100Temptations.com Kind regards to you all ............. Chris
It has been known by scholars for some time now that Duchamp actually had his 'ready mades' made to his specifications so that he could encode esoteric jokes & games in them. Beginning from this grand oversight the video went on to give very uninformed descriptions of magnificent artworks when being given the opportunity to elucidate. Perhaps it is too much to expect You Tube to be near the level of ART BULLETIN or even ART IN AMERICA.
He did not even claim to have "selected" the work until he authorised reproductions in the 60s and built the myth around it. Until about 1964 Fountain was almost completely unknown and consequently had no impact until his retrospect exhibitions of the 1960s.
I don't know which is the more depressing. The critics pushing their own depictions, or Absinthe today being so disconnected to the Absinthe of the 18th, 19th, andd early 20th Century 4:25 screams of consuming Absinthe. It's not a machine, it's Dali's mindset. The sugar, the spoon go without mention, the wax candle represents the constitution that is a traditional Absinthe (or even a frappe). The rest (shoe/lace/pubic hair/image of copulation/faeces) are all relative to fetish. This is Dali lamenting the Absinthe 'high'.
Both artists were deeply interested in the occult and their works are allegorical to many hermetic processes. Its sad that the commentator believed that 'St. John of The Cross' is religious devotion rather than the exploration of sacred geometry using Christ as an archetype of transcendent consciousness. Its unfortunate that what really bound their friendship isn't addressed in this exhibition.
Duchamp's "fountain", in my opinion, signaled the beginning of the acceleration of banality of "art". Please don't allow yourself to succumb to the curator's excuses for this, what is essentially, a Home Depot item, behind glass. It is laughable, and should be ignored.
It was ignored until the reproductions and subsequent myth making of the 1960s. His other Ready-mades of his Dada era are more significant in their impact.
Everyone says Duchamp was genius but yet there is no depth to the analysis of his work, ever. The ground breaking narrative is overplayed. Ok, ok, but how about the merits of the work. How did it age?
We would suggest that Duchamp has aged very well. He was rediscovered in the 50s and 60s and widely admired by artists such as Jasper Johns, Robert Rauschenberg and Richard Hamilton. His ideas are still very prevalent in contemporary art.
Not a fan of Salvador Dali at all and never was. Duchamp I feel like his Ready Made art pieces help to scoop mud into the blood stream of 20th, 21st and 22nd century art. Why we have $$$ Sharks and many many other things... 😒 Side eye given... To both of them.
re Marcel Duchamp: The Bride Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors, Even. "Machine" depicted on lower half of The Large Glass a "Chocolate Grinder" not a "Coffee Grinder". For reference see Duchamp's 1913 painting: Chocolate Grinder (No. 1). Simply a note.. not a criticism. I appreciate The Art Channel. Warmest Regards, Teddy Pope
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I LOVE MARCEL DUCHAMP , THE INTELLEGENCE .... OF HIS WORKS
Duchamp’s objects and words and the thoughts behind them,are absolute ART. If given.
As you say Grace, "The artist's decision is the art making". I have often asked the question in my lectures, where does the art actually happen? Is it the choice of colour, the moment the brush or pen touches the blank sheet, or the idea?
A well made documentary of an unlikely duo. Well done!
Thank you.
to me, Duchamps "Ready-Made" art is about engineering. Duchamp is communicating the advent of engineering (mass production) as a new art form. An iphone, for example, communicates with its user not only as a technological device , but as art.
2 great artists... Love them both. Both inspirational to me and my work.
They both seem lovely people!
Thank you so so much.
Fascinating context. Thank you.
Aseptic.
Very interesting film!!
its a chocolate grinder- I read. The detail is that the urinal was entered for a art exhibition this was crucial to it being define? as art or categorised which inducts it somehow- yes it does frustrate when you realise its deftness and point. That it enters into a place where it should not be. thanks for the review I enjoy these
Really good video!
Thank you for the appreciation.
salvador dali is the funko pop of 20th century art
Looking good Grace!
davinci suggested looking at an old wall to see images
duchamp was saying that it is the eye of the viewer that makes the art
dali was saying look at this
the "problem" with discussing all of duchamp's intellectual conceptualism, is we are not merely ideas. there must be communication, and for that there must be a language. so duchamp in the end leads us back to the visual.
the bride - is a esoteric piece - in that it uses signs and symbols. He was into the occult.
It's amazing that he got away with the work he produced all those years ago. While his own brothers were in WW I he was thinking about mass produced urinals, and entered one into an exhibition, and of course it was not readily accepted as you'd expect. However there was real talent on view with his cubist paintings.
He seemed to have been his own man all his life. Lots of brain, lots of money, moved out of the way of the Germans during WW I and ended up in New York.
My own father was in the British Army in Flanders in WW I. He, came through it without a scratch, but never ever talked about it. He was a happy, clever inventive man. I remember him trying to build a radio and my mother helping him by holding things in place while he soldered them.
I remember her saying in a very alarmed voice, "It's getting hot, It's getting hot !" and he's saying "Don't leave go, hang on, don't ............ Oh, hell !" ................ "Well it was burning me !"
Another time he invented a new kind of furniture castor. I remember he bought me a big Meccano construction set. WOW !
He never played chess, he smoked strong cigarettes and they are what killed him. He died of a heart attack one beautiful sunny afternoon. And Marcel died of a heart attack and he smoked strong cigars
In those days the doctors didn't connect lung cancer and heart disease to smoking. It was only in 1950 that Sir Richard Doll proved the link - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Doll
Years later, my sister died through smoking cigarettes. It was at that point I decided to train as a hypnotist in order to learn how to help others give up the addiction. And that's what I've been doing, amongst other things for about the last 20 years. Since I've retired I've produced two high relief paintings WTF - 07 and 08 and you'll see there's nipples and a cigarette - See if you can work out the connection between them - Look here on WWW.100Temptations.com
Kind regards to you all ............. Chris
Great !
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autant dire Bernard Henry Levy et Heidegger , que vient faire un peintre de second ordre comme Dali avec Duchamp ?
It has been known by scholars for some time now that Duchamp actually had his 'ready mades' made to his specifications so that he could encode esoteric jokes & games in them. Beginning from this grand oversight the video went on to give very uninformed descriptions of magnificent artworks when being given the opportunity to elucidate. Perhaps it is too much to expect You Tube to be near the level of ART BULLETIN or even ART IN AMERICA.
the urinoir was not Duchamps idea but the idea of a German baroness Elsa von Freytag. He simply stole the idea!
He did not even claim to have "selected" the work until he authorised reproductions in the 60s and built the myth around it. Until about 1964 Fountain was almost completely unknown and consequently had no impact until his retrospect exhibitions of the 1960s.
I don't know which is the more depressing. The critics pushing their own depictions, or Absinthe today being so disconnected to the Absinthe of the 18th, 19th, andd early 20th Century
4:25 screams of consuming Absinthe. It's not a machine, it's Dali's mindset.
The sugar, the spoon go without mention, the wax candle represents the constitution that is a traditional Absinthe (or even a frappe).
The rest (shoe/lace/pubic hair/image of copulation/faeces) are all relative to fetish.
This is Dali lamenting the Absinthe 'high'.
Both artists were deeply interested in the occult and their works are allegorical to many hermetic processes. Its sad that the commentator believed that 'St. John of The Cross' is religious devotion rather than the exploration of sacred geometry using Christ as an archetype of transcendent consciousness. Its unfortunate that what really bound their friendship isn't addressed in this exhibition.
Duchamp changed it all. Then Rauschenberg came and pushed it.
That's a TrollArt 🤣🤣
The Christ on the cross is based on a vision of Saint John of the Cross, wich showed him Christ on the Cross fron above.
Duchamp's "fountain", in my opinion, signaled the beginning of the acceleration of banality of "art". Please don't allow yourself to succumb to the curator's excuses for this, what is essentially, a Home Depot item, behind glass. It is laughable, and should be ignored.
Right. It's a publicity stunt pretending to be art.
gonna shit your pants?
It was ignored until the reproductions and subsequent myth making of the 1960s. His other Ready-mades of his Dada era are more significant in their impact.
urinal resembles Buddha sitting cross legged.
Everyone says Duchamp was genius but yet there is no depth to the analysis of his work, ever. The ground breaking narrative is overplayed. Ok, ok, but how about the merits of the work. How did it age?
We would suggest that Duchamp has aged very well. He was rediscovered in the 50s and 60s and widely admired by artists such as Jasper Johns, Robert Rauschenberg and Richard Hamilton. His ideas are still very prevalent in contemporary art.
How the put Duchamp side by side Salvador Dalí, who was a true artist, the other one is absolutely crude.
What is crude here is your misunderstanding. The finer of the 2 minds is Duchamp's.
One was a true artist with talent and the other a lie with poor talent. Because of Marcel (and others) today we have museums filled with rubbish.
That is just your opinion. Both are valid art forms.
That is the beauty of art.
It is like food, I may like peas, you may not, but it's still food.
TyGLynx_ say that to Dali who really admired Duchamp.
Dear so called art, And you call this art? Haha stop. Love, Real Artist Guillermo Luna
it's a friggin urinal. stop being snob with all the fancy words and observations.
It's a strictly male accessory so we can rule out misogyny, or can we? Can we ever?
Dali, a maverick? The biggest suck-up P.R. slime in art history? Give me a break!
Not a fan of Salvador Dali at all and never was. Duchamp I feel like his Ready Made art pieces help to scoop mud into the blood stream of 20th, 21st and 22nd century art. Why we have $$$ Sharks and many many other things... 😒 Side eye given... To both of them.
re Marcel Duchamp: The Bride Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors, Even. "Machine" depicted on lower half of The Large Glass a "Chocolate Grinder" not a "Coffee Grinder". For reference see Duchamp's 1913 painting: Chocolate Grinder (No. 1). Simply a note.. not a criticism. I appreciate The Art Channel. Warmest Regards, Teddy Pope
Teddy, thank you for your comment and appreciation.