Did someone really send this hand in wondering what they did wrong? My advice would be to not change a thing, we need more players like you at our tables
@@athanasioschatzidimitriadi8765 Kevin's doing just fine. He's a genius. He's so much a genius that I would love to play against him sometime. ...or all the time.
I think, its ok to bet the turn for around half pot. We could theoretically get called by worse hands, if someone has a flushdraw or the wheel draw and played it passively. And denying equity to hands like KQ is also a totally fine result, especially in a multiway pot, where we could be up against 4 overcards. If we check behind, we are probably going to lose the pot a large percentage of the time, and perhaps even pay off to someone, who got there on the river.
+James Lourenco We are not expecting, that he have KK. We expect, that KK would have bet the turn, so we put him on a hand like KQ or QJ, which missed the board completely. We are not trying to fold out any better hands, we are trying to fold out worse hands with equity and maybe get called by draws.
First of all, I find it good when somebody shows a hand he obviously misplayed. And I think we´ll find a lot of misplayed hands in our poker history so we should think twice before we criticise like most of us do here!
I dislike how so many people are commenting on how they would stomp Kevin in a game, everyone plays poker on a different level and what some people cant see others see clearly it is important to remember we all want to do well playing and people who watch Alec's videos are at different levels. I did not learn much from this video but that doesnt mean other people didnt and its good to see someone analyse hands at all levels
6:54 -- "What would you do if you were in your opponent's spot? Would you ever bluff here?" If we might call a 5x pf raise with 7-5 off, we just might attempt a suicidal bluff here, yes.
We need more Kevin's! But seriously, the reason these hands are mucked preflop is they play badly even if you hit them. Fold and live to fight a better hand.
i mean when he asked, i can't imagine what he'd check the flop and the turn with. pocket aces was singing through my mind. It makes sense the way it was played as well. I get how you can't think that your opponent has a specific hand, but i'd say his range is fairly close to AX or at least a big pair. We all make mistakes hopefully you fill this major conceptual hole in your game. Don't get so wrapped up in not being able to put your opponent on a single hand, and take into consider his range vs. your cards.
Among the many mistakes, which Hero made in this hand, was also ignoring the fact, that the original raiser had called his turn bet. This strongly indicate, that he had showdown value. So even if the backraise was a bluff, it almost had to be something, he was hoping to win with at showdown. Something like KK, which he just hate to fold, because he feel entitled to win the pot. But after the raise AND the call from Hero, he know, he is beat. So he go on tilts and turn KK into a bluff trying to get his opponents to fold a weak ace. And when you dont even beat the hands, your opponent could realistically be bluffing with, then its really time to fold.
Should quads check the river here? Bluff-catching against missed combo draws might be good, because we block so much of hero's trips and boats. And hero's boats are probably shoving the river anyway. Though against a player who makes light call-downs, like Kevin evidently, the shove is definitely best.
Never. You rep so much strength on the turn that any non-nut would just check behind. And as you have quads, the other guy can only have tens-full at best, which means he loses to all aces-full.
marlboro1771 Agreed, never. Most missed draws will give up, and flopped straights may check behind. 100% of hands that are straights or better will call, and a good % of those will check behind. Maybe 1% of the time you'll get value from an idiotic bluff if you check, but you're losing value to other hands like idiots with 75
LMAO what a hand...calling a 5x open with 75o, calling a 4x turn raise into 2 people and then also calling the cold min3b reraise INTO the 4x raise and call behind...all this with a naked 5. Ain't even mad, this one's for the ages.
Everyone's harping on this guy for sending in this hand, but Alec's hand selection here gives me confidence that if i send in a tricky 1/2c or 2/5c hand that there's a slight possibility Alec would make it a HOTD! haha Not sure about you guys but learning and grinding super tiny micros is where i am at right now so i am not sure how to compare playing those stakes with $1/2, which is my eventual goal. Nice video as always Alec
Hey Chun, UTG simply means Under the Gun, which only represents the first player to act to the left of the big blind. UTG+1 means one person to the left of UTG. There's also UTG+2 and so on. HJ means highjack, which is two to the right of the button. Hope that helps! Alec
@@ConsciousPoker Hi Alec, thanks for the reply. Some of the diagrams I see have more than one HJs (eg HJ+1, HJ+2...). Do you add a second HJ after there are 3 UTGs or strive for an even number of HJ and UTGs?
@@Chun-1208 Hi, I believe you're misunderstanding. HJ is only the HJ. To the right of him (which is what I'm assuming you're saying as HJ+1) is the Cutoff, or CO. Then it's the button. Each player has a different starting range. You can DL the ideal ranges for each position here: bit.ly/preflopcharts
Question for you Alec: Lets assume for a minute that our hero had pocket 5s (in the above scenario) and put the villain on a better hand by the river (i.e. AA or A10 or 1010) and thus decided to make a Great fold. Is there (ever) any advantage for him to show his cards (55) prior to throwing them into the muck?? Very curious to know your thoughts on this type of 'exposing' cards. Thanks in advance!
TomTom That is straight up nitting at it's finest. Beyond nit tbh. Silly question to be honest, no.1 if you do that you'll get exploited the hell out of in any scenario with the villain holding any two card. As long as you don't have the immortal nuts. no.2 it is player dependent whether to call or fold in that spot, such that against a nit who never bluffs it might be worthy to fold, but then again he might value hand worse than 55 just like that, such as AQ AK. Against a maniac it is never a fold. Never ever show a table this fold if you are bad enough to fold it. It's like saying you'll fold to a 5bet with KK because you're scared villain has AA. Then showing it can allow anyone from hands ranging from 72o to QQ to 5bet jam into you, and know you'll fold anything other than AA
Yeah but lets assume he knows peoples gonna try to run over him after showed a fold like that and right after he change in gears and start calling down lighter
It looked like aces all the way, large pf raise, and the check on the flop was either scared of the ace or smashed the flop and as the action went down on later streets it was getting more obvious he was up against an absolute monster
Ohhh Kevin. Ooppps. Kuddos to you for sending the hand as I know all of us have played a hand poorly for whatever the reason. I wouldn't mind calling pre with 7 5 on the button. Not always but sometimes it's ok. Of course always being player dependent and more importantly who is left to act. As played, Alec suggested betting flop and I would lean towards that if I had the back door. As played, I would also check as one if the two people will often have a pair. Once another Ace comes, I am going to take a bite of my food, sip on my drink, look for a massage, sit on my hands, but almost never betting as it's impossible (as played) that I can have an Ace once I checked flop.
5-10 player here. I'll agree that the play is horrible and nowadays we see it way less. Although in the last ten years I've seen worse "hero" calls on dirtier boards that have won. In my experience the higher the stakes you play the crazier the players get, and 1-2 players don't have the mindset to even understand calling someone down on a paired board with bottom pair. Most low level stake players will judge this from hindsight safety but openly admit they would never play those cards to get into that situation. How can someone constructively comment on a situation they've never been in or rarely have been in? Judging a player on a single hand of cash game, is harsh.
Synyster you must be a hero arent you? you people are sickening trying to make people look bad because they arr saying the obioys truth. Probly no one in this comment section is a pro but we all seem to agree with the pro analyzing the hand..( alec ) you dont need to be a pro to understand this is one of the dumbest things u can do.
My point is; everyone makes mistakes and has to learn, there is no reason to be nasty to a guy who wants to improve. Yes, you can agree with Alec and analyse the hand, those aren't the people I'm referencing. It's the ones who are being nasty and potentially making this guy want to quit because of it. Yes, he made mistakes, but respect the guy for wanting to learn.
Alec, this hand was better suited to another AskAlec. Let the community do the heavy lift because your time is more valuable than the effort spent on this hand.
Bob Georgiou I disagree. This is so awful it would be derided into nothingness. Alex was able to give insight into the stupidity, and give people usable nuggets for future hands. tl;dr It's so bad it's good.
~~~~~~~~~~"IT'S SO BAD IT'S GOOD. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"~~~~~~~~~ but for real, this hand was played in like the worst possible way on every street.
I didn't mind the call preflop, if he was winning or kind of felt lucky and wanted to take a winger on the button...I'd do that maybe once every 2-3 hours or something. But if you are going to do that, and you get a pair and it checks to you on flop, you gotta take a stab, maybe 2/3pot or something. This is where i think he blew it. In many cases a bet will work there, and if it doesn't you completely shut the hell down after that and fold to any resistance at all. Why play 7-5 if you aren't going proceed on the fairly rare times you get what looks like a good opportunity? That's the thing. After that, it became joke and I can barely believe this was even real.
Calling occasionally with 7-5 off on the button isn't the worse play in the world when playing against the right opponent and if you know what you are doing post flop, but everything Kevin does post flop is wrong. He should have had a stab at the pot when it's checked to him on the flop then give up once there is resistance shown, but there is absolutely no excuse for going broke in this hand, especially when he's calling an all in, if he's the one shoving on the river as a bluff that is fair enough but to call in this spot is just terrible.
A lot of people are bashing on this player. Maybe he’s trying to learn. Even though this wasn’t the greatest play in the world, but have to give him credit for thinking on higher level. So don’t give up. Don’t listen to people are bashing you down. Learn from this and move on
And let's not forget villain played his hand badly too. It's oh-so-typical for people to slowplay these hands to death, when in fact the only way to make money on this hand is to charge the straight draws and flush draws (by betting both the flop, with a set, and the turn, with quads.) Unless of course you're going to make your living waiting around for the a Kevin to do a swan dive on your sword. The only one who played the hand reasonably well was Sue.
Alec "missed a bet" here. He asked hero to look at it from villain's point of view. Fact is, hero could have a flush draw here (hey, it wouldn't be as bad as he actually played it). We all know, like villain does, that hero can fold the river because he might have a flush draw. Not saying that's his most likely hand, not saying villain should bluff, I'm just saying Alec missed the fact that sometimes hero throws his cards in the air and 2 diamonds land face up, and we hear the ubiquitous "I never hit my draws."
Mike M most likely a flush draw that thaught was drawing dead when UTG+1 re raised to 350 or thaught the hero was bluffing and UTG+1 had underpair to the aces.
I think Kevin played really well here, i thought the all in guy was going to show pocket 44s. i would have played 7/5 off the same as Kevin did. Keep up the good work.
Generally speaking, do you think it is better to play 57s on the button instead of QJo if the UTG has raised (who is tight) and another tight player has called the raise? My reasoning is that 57s should be easier to play post flop as one can be pretty certain that you are not dominated if you hit the flop i.e. UTG maybe AQ, AK, AJ and even if you hit the flop, you dont know whether your hand is good. However, with 57s, it is an easier fold and simpler to know where you are at against the others. what do you think?
Definitly yes. Against strong preflop ranges your goal is to hit two pair or better. Your goal is not to hit a medium strong pair, which will often just bring you into a really sticky spot, where you end up paying off. Even hitting trips with QJ is not always that great, because a JJ or QQ board will slow down your opponent more than a 55 or 77 board. And there is a higher risk, he also have trips and have you outkicked.
I want to play with hero!!!!!! lol Alec great analysis I will say one thing the quad aces guy looked like he was playing queens or kings that way, and the raise on turn looked fishy, hero could have shoved over the top and got kings and queens etc etc to fold there and it would not have been the worse play in the world and I coyld see the hero's logic...and if he was against those hands the bet would have worked also...
Why do people still fall for the slowplayed top set? Holy molly, I'm amazed how it's so obvious when played by certain players yet there are still people who get stacked by it.
Btw, this is just another example of someone trying to look call with a marginal calldown, because what other reason would there be to call a 3-bet on the turn with second pair on a paired board?
It should not even have been an issue here, because Hero should have folded to the first raise. The person raising could be bluffing and probably actually was. But the original opener had already called Heros bet and thereby defined his hand as something with showdown value. So Hero was trying to perform a calling bluff against the original opener while trying to bluff-catch against the raiser at the same time. And as Alec say, that is probably just a little bit to ambitious in this particular situation. Maybe the original opener think, they are both full of crap, and he had enough of it and call with 88. Or he is just a big fish and call with 88, because "LOL I have 2 pair". In which case, even if Hero is right about the raiser bluffing, he still end up losing the pot on the river to the original opener.
😂played a hand with pocket is the other day on this kinda run-out in 3 bet pot in position tried to rep the A putting him on K thru 10 shut it down on river when he checked and got showed the quads!lost the minimum! yay! think my line folds out better than my 8s slot here.
Yannik Muche Why would it be surprising? what hands could he have other than REALLY bad bluffs? Ax is the BOTTOM of his value range which means 75 is drawing to 2 outs max which may not even be good. Terrible fucking call.
+Hotobu I dont even really see him taking this line for value with anything other than AA exactly. Its the only hand, which is scared to not get action, because it have pretty bad boardlock. And its also the only hand, which is not scared to ever be behind, because, well, its the nuts. Its just the same like, when people open limp preflop and then go for a back-raise, when someone isolate them. If they limp-backraise for value, its almost never AK or JJ. Its pretty much always exactly AA. So the preflop limp-backraise is an extremely unbalanced play for most players. Which I think is also the case here.
Hey Alec can you stop reviewing hands that are bad calls pre-flop. It would be nice if you you reviewed hands that good players actually could benefit from.
Kevin played this bad but one could argue that so did the villain who check-call-raised with quads against two opponents on turn... He won't get called by much. Typically opponents would fold unless they have a set... Usually a good strategy with (top) quads is to give rope to villains as much as possible... Let them do the betting. But what do I know.
Wow.... Kevin sometimes we try to write our ending to a movie script when the movie is already realesed in theaters.. "We know how the movie will end, right?"
I put or on quads after his 3bet on the turn, it must be quads and I don’t blame his play at all, after all when original caller raise and hero calls in his mind one of the two should have 5s or 3s boat sinche he blocks any possible combo of Ax. It’s also very very unlike he is bluffing for the considerations Alec did. Onestly the showdown didn’t surprise me at all
lol Kevin can come play games at my house any day!!! Folding pre easily here. 7-5 off plays terrible post. 2 callers before you. The call on the river is awful. You're only beating bluffs which I highly doubt he's bluff shoving here. Had a sense from the beginning that the original raiser was slow playing some ace.
Wow. My question is why the heck did the villain repop the turn after making quads? If he had just called he would have kept two players in the pot, one of which must have turned a boat or be drawing to a str8/flush combo. The first preflop caller could easily have KdQd or suited diamond connectors; if a the draws had made it the villain would have made bank. xD So, I think reraise with quads by villain a mistake.
+David Chen You cant continue to slowplay forever, when you are out of position with a hand, where you want stacks to go inside on the river. At some point you need to take the initiative, even if your opponents might fold. The goal in poker is not to keep everyone in the pot but to win as much money as possible. Also I really dont think, the first preflop caller had anything strong here. As +bluechipnl say, both draws and boats would almost certainly call getting 4:1. So he probably just had complete air, which he was trying to steal the pot with. Which is actually not a completely bad play by him, because it looked like, both his opponents had hands, that could not withstand a raise. Unfortunatly for him though, Hero put him on exactly that kind of play, and the original opener turned out to have a monster, which he had been slowplaying the whole time.
Kevin Nguyen Yes, it is very ABC. But if you are dating a trailer park girl you dont need a porsche to be impressive. Any pickup truck will do just fine, yes?
Imo it felt like at least one of the others would call because they seemed strong, so might as well get it in just in case the board hits a 5 or a 3 which kills your action.
I mean...there is for sure Donkeys out there playing a hand this way, but it´s mind blowing to me that someone would find this channel, subscribe and even send in a Hand and like putting in all this work, and playing this hand like some 75 I.Q. Dude.
I called quad aces!...yessss... what other hands would he raise preflop, check the flop, check turn, and reraise with there? I thought... what would alec torelli think(wwatt)😂
That’s what Heinz Ketchup will do to you. Got his hand caught in the cookie jar. Other player could’ve had ANY pocket pair over Kevin’s but Kevin didn’t even think of that.
wow. as soon as the guy cold 3 bet on the turn i put him on quads. which is an insane thing to put someone on specifically quads but I feel like that's all he can have there, unless he's a maniac. Kevin, your game needs some work buddy. to put I mildly.
after everyone checks the flop checking the turn seems unlikely, but even if he somehow played a5 like that, you think he just flats the 40 oop? seems virtually impossible to me
I mean but I guess after check calling the 40 the tiny 3bet looks even fishier so I agree with you that it's terrible. everyone played this hand terrible except for sue. Iol
so here is a thing..GOOD poker players tend to assume that opponents think like good poker players..A check on the that flop DOES NOT MEAN that the opponent doesn't have an A even if the board is so dry. Fish tend to check A on the flop when they have it even is scary boards in multi way pots.
you know what you do with 7/5 off even on the button.....you fold it lol or maybe get aggressive and 3 bet and atleast take control in position. I bet he felt horrible when those quads were flipped over and he just gave him max value with a pair of 5's lmao
AK would be "crazy thin value" on that board? Couldn't disagree more. Holding AK means you should be playing more passively and NOT trying to get it in due to fear of a boat? Wow. Agree on folding a weak Ace to villain there but wouldn't go as far as saying AK would be crazy thin value
Typically you can not stack off top pair top kicker, when you are playing this deep, and expect it to be profitable against competent players. Just ask yourself, how you would feel as the preflop caller, if you had AJ, and the preflop opener got super aggressive on a A high board? What do you think, he have? If you regularly get AK all in postflop on boards like this in deep stacked games, its probably a big leak in your game. Unless you play against huge fish, you will mostly be shown a set of 3`s or 5`s, when you get called down and go to showdown. Then you will complain about, how bad you run, and how you always get coolered in situations like this. But the real problem is, you failed to think about, not only how strong your own hand was, but also what worse hands your opponents were likely to continue calling you with, when the pot got really large.
fundiver198 Did you stop watching the video before the turn and river?? Why are you talking in terms of top pair top kicker or Sets when the 2nd Ace hits the turn? Almost no money got in before the turn anyway. Obviously I'm rarely stacking off with top top on the flop but turning trip Aces with AK I'm usually trying to get it in. Playing scared against an aggressively betting villain always fearing boats is very -EV. Plus it's not like they're playing THAT deep...majority of the table is sub 200 BBs which is pretty normal for a main table cash game
I actually dont think, trip aces are THAT different from top pair with aces. The only hand, you beat on the turn but not the flop, is 53, which is probably only 53s, if its even in their range. The main thing, which happen with the board pair, is, that it reduce the amount of combos of AX, they can have and pay you off with. Admittedly it also reduce the chance, they will fold a worse ace. But on balance the turn card does not change the relative strenght of AK all that much. I would never get to the turn this way with AK. But if I did, I would be a little bit concerned by facing a raise AND a call. So I would not put in a 3-bet. I would just call, and probably check-call a river bet on most runouts.
Fold on the turn. You can't beat two players, unless a diamond pops on the river and you think you can bluff, and I don't think 2 players would fold on the river. There's so many hands on the river that beat your 2 pair.
Alec, tell Kevin that I have an open seat at my home 2/5 game. he's welcome anytime. Just kidding, thanks for the great analysis as always Alec. Can't wait for the next one
Did someone really send this hand in wondering what they did wrong? My advice would be to not change a thing, we need more players like you at our tables
zeke I agree with you 100%
If u find more of these guys u can make a fortune playing against them. No offense kevin, you have to improve fast
@@athanasioschatzidimitriadi8765 Kevin's doing just fine. He's a genius. He's so much a genius that I would love to play against him sometime. ...or all the time.
Haha
its so true, a poker players source of income is from beating fish/donks
Where can i find kevin? i want to play poker against him.
kenneth tong seriously 😒 I played 2-5 a few weeks ago and all these guys play with their cards face up
Don´t we all? HAHAHAHAHAHA
PLEASE!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU??? I WANT TO PLAY HEADS UP FOR 100k!!!
Kevin jokes exists all over the world ;D
kenneth tong my thoughts exactly
This is by far the funniest hand of the day. The embarrassment Alec had on telling Kevin not to be mad and stay subscribed was hilarious hahah
This hand is proof poker is not dead. Alec couldn't help but laugh the whole time.... I wish I could run that good with my aces...
when kevin calls the turn i literally couldn't stop laughing. classic
Raises like 300 he calls he wouldnt have a ace would he lol
"This is a best-case scenario; and I still don't like it." At this point I couldn't stop laughing. Golden!
He used to watch Tom Dwan a lot 😂
Ralph Hamdar hahahaha
There's a difference between shoving with seven deuce and calling with it.
I feel a lot better about my poker decisions now.
Thanks, Kevin!
Wow what a cooler!!! Even Phil Ivey would have called that river bet.
Fold pre, flop is good, check turn, fold to the first raise, speed fold to the second raise, fold to the shove.
I think, its ok to bet the turn for around half pot. We could theoretically get called by worse hands, if someone has a flushdraw or the wheel draw and played it passively. And denying equity to hands like KQ is also a totally fine result, especially in a multiway pot, where we could be up against 4 overcards. If we check behind, we are probably going to lose the pot a large percentage of the time, and perhaps even pay off to someone, who got there on the river.
+James Lourenco We are not expecting, that he have KK. We expect, that KK would have bet the turn, so we put him on a hand like KQ or QJ, which missed the board completely. We are not trying to fold out any better hands, we are trying to fold out worse hands with equity and maybe get called by draws.
Once again, you were very polite and empathetic to the mistakes we make.
My real question here is does anyone know where this guy plays???
Ryan Manziel i believe this was a pokerstars play money hand 😂
First of all, I find it good when somebody shows a hand he obviously misplayed. And I think we´ll find a lot of misplayed hands in our poker history so we should think twice before we criticise like most of us do here!
I dislike how so many people are commenting on how they would stomp Kevin in a game, everyone plays poker on a different level and what some people cant see others see clearly it is important to remember we all want to do well playing and people who watch Alec's videos are at different levels. I did not learn much from this video but that doesnt mean other people didnt and its good to see someone analyse hands at all levels
Kevin, why would you send in this hand? This was terrible.
Jeff Miller thats the reason he sent it in. because it was terrible. the point of the channel is so people can get better...
I don't want Kevin to get better until I've had the chance to felt him a few times.
well then I guess you better go find him. pick a state, any state...
kevin is a big fish hahhha he deserved to lose that hand calling all the way with 75 off LOL terrible terrible terrible
lmao yes true i just lost a bunch of money to some kevins last weekend
6:54 -- "What would you do if you were in your opponent's spot? Would you ever bluff here?"
If we might call a 5x pf raise with 7-5 off, we just might attempt a suicidal bluff here, yes.
We need more Kevin's! But seriously, the reason these hands are mucked preflop is they play badly even if you hit them. Fold and live to fight a better hand.
i mean when he asked, i can't imagine what he'd check the flop and the turn with. pocket aces was singing through my mind. It makes sense the way it was played as well. I get how you can't think that your opponent has a specific hand, but i'd say his range is fairly close to AX or at least a big pair. We all make mistakes hopefully you fill this major conceptual hole in your game. Don't get so wrapped up in not being able to put your opponent on a single hand, and take into consider his range vs. your cards.
Among the many mistakes, which Hero made in this hand, was also ignoring the fact, that the original raiser had called his turn bet. This strongly indicate, that he had showdown value. So even if the backraise was a bluff, it almost had to be something, he was hoping to win with at showdown.
Something like KK, which he just hate to fold, because he feel entitled to win the pot. But after the raise AND the call from Hero, he know, he is beat. So he go on tilts and turn KK into a bluff trying to get his opponents to fold a weak ace. And when you dont even beat the hands, your opponent could realistically be bluffing with, then its really time to fold.
Should quads check the river here? Bluff-catching against missed combo draws might be good, because we block so much of hero's trips and boats. And hero's boats are probably shoving the river anyway. Though against a player who makes light call-downs, like Kevin evidently, the shove is definitely best.
Never. You rep so much strength on the turn that any non-nut would just check behind. And as you have quads, the other guy can only have tens-full at best, which means he loses to all aces-full.
marlboro1771 Agreed, never. Most missed draws will give up, and flopped straights may check behind. 100% of hands that are straights or better will call, and a good % of those will check behind.
Maybe 1% of the time you'll get value from an idiotic bluff if you check, but you're losing value to other hands like idiots with 75
Kevin why did you do that?
LMAO what a hand...calling a 5x open with 75o, calling a 4x turn raise into 2 people and then also calling the cold min3b reraise INTO the 4x raise and call behind...all this with a naked 5.
Ain't even mad, this one's for the ages.
triple range merge woohoo.
The guy is probably just a complete beginner.
Kevin, I'm sending the limo for you right now!
I love you bro!
Omg this guy is crazy, great job analyzing this hand every time he continued I yelled at the video lol great videos
Everyone's harping on this guy for sending in this hand, but Alec's hand selection here gives me confidence that if i send in a tricky 1/2c or 2/5c hand that there's a slight possibility Alec would make it a HOTD! haha Not sure about you guys but learning and grinding super tiny micros is where i am at right now so i am not sure how to compare playing those stakes with $1/2, which is my eventual goal.
Nice video as always Alec
Hi newbie question here: I'm confused as to the number of UTGs vs. HJs in an 7 or 8 player table. Can you clarify? Ty
Hey Chun, UTG simply means Under the Gun, which only represents the first player to act to the left of the big blind.
UTG+1 means one person to the left of UTG. There's also UTG+2 and so on.
HJ means highjack, which is two to the right of the button.
Hope that helps!
Alec
@@ConsciousPoker Hi Alec, thanks for the reply. Some of the diagrams I see have more than one HJs (eg HJ+1, HJ+2...). Do you add a second HJ after there are 3 UTGs or strive for an even number of HJ and UTGs?
@@Chun-1208 Hi, I believe you're misunderstanding. HJ is only the HJ.
To the right of him (which is what I'm assuming you're saying as HJ+1) is the Cutoff, or CO. Then it's the button.
Each player has a different starting range.
You can DL the ideal ranges for each position here: bit.ly/preflopcharts
Question for you Alec: Lets assume for a minute that our hero had pocket 5s (in the above scenario) and put the villain on a better hand by the river (i.e. AA or A10 or 1010) and thus decided to make a Great fold. Is there (ever) any advantage for him to show his cards (55) prior to throwing them into the muck?? Very curious to know your thoughts on this type of 'exposing' cards. Thanks in advance!
TomTom That is straight up nitting at it's finest. Beyond nit tbh.
Silly question to be honest, no.1 if you do that you'll get exploited the hell out of in any scenario with the villain holding any two card. As long as you don't have the immortal nuts.
no.2 it is player dependent whether to call or fold in that spot, such that against a nit who never bluffs it might be worthy to fold, but then again he might value hand worse than 55 just like that, such as AQ AK. Against a maniac it is never a fold. Never ever show a table this fold if you are bad enough to fold it. It's like saying you'll fold to a 5bet with KK because you're scared villain has AA. Then showing it can allow anyone from hands ranging from 72o to QQ to 5bet jam into you, and know you'll fold anything other than AA
TomTom how the hell does he get there that way with 1010?
Yeah but lets assume he knows peoples gonna try to run over him after showed a fold like that and right after he change in gears and start calling down lighter
It looked like aces all the way, large pf raise, and the check on the flop was either scared of the ace or smashed the flop and as the action went down on later streets it was getting more obvious he was up against an absolute monster
I love that Alec is just cracking up through this whole video.
Great video, the lesson hereis clear, we should tighten our cold call range and avoir weird spote like this.....there are better spots to make money
Thanks for that.
Ohhh Kevin. Ooppps. Kuddos to you for sending the hand as I know all of us have played a hand poorly for whatever the reason. I wouldn't mind calling pre with 7 5 on the button. Not always but sometimes it's ok. Of course always being player dependent and more importantly who is left to act. As played, Alec suggested betting flop and I would lean towards that if I had the back door. As played, I would also check as one if the two people will often have a pair. Once another Ace comes, I am going to take a bite of my food, sip on my drink, look for a massage, sit on my hands, but almost never betting as it's impossible (as played) that I can have an Ace once I checked flop.
5-10 player here. I'll agree that the play is horrible and nowadays we see it way less. Although in the last ten years I've seen worse "hero" calls on dirtier boards that have won. In my experience the higher the stakes you play the crazier the players get, and 1-2 players don't have the mindset to even understand calling someone down on a paired board with bottom pair. Most low level stake players will judge this from hindsight safety but openly admit they would never play those cards to get into that situation. How can someone constructively comment on a situation they've never been in or rarely have been in?
Judging a player on a single hand of cash game, is harsh.
Everyone in the comments is a poker professional I guess. Give the guy credit for sending this hand in and wanting to get better.
Synyster you must be a hero arent you? you people are sickening trying to make people look bad because they arr saying the obioys truth. Probly no one in this comment section is a pro but we all seem to agree with the pro analyzing the hand..( alec ) you dont need to be a pro to understand this is one of the dumbest things u can do.
My point is; everyone makes mistakes and has to learn, there is no reason to be nasty to a guy who wants to improve. Yes, you can agree with Alec and analyse the hand, those aren't the people I'm referencing. It's the ones who are being nasty and potentially making this guy want to quit because of it. Yes, he made mistakes, but respect the guy for wanting to learn.
Synyster he's trying to improve by losing thousand dollars a hand? Lol.
theres plenty of fish in the poker chip sea
Yeah sure let’s all clap lol 👏
Alec, this hand was better suited to another AskAlec. Let the community do the heavy lift because your time is more valuable than the effort spent on this hand.
Bob Georgiou I disagree. This is so awful it would be derided into nothingness. Alex was able to give insight into the stupidity, and give people usable nuggets for future hands.
tl;dr It's so bad it's good.
Yeah, that sort of sums up a bulk of the AskAlec hands though. Many of those hands were a hoot and didn't require world class analysis.
~~~~~~~~~~"IT'S SO BAD IT'S GOOD. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"~~~~~~~~~
but for real, this hand was played in like the worst possible way on every street.
omg can this hand be played any worse. every move he made was bad.
I didn't mind the call preflop, if he was winning or kind of felt lucky and wanted to take a winger on the button...I'd do that maybe once every 2-3 hours or something. But if you are going to do that, and you get a pair and it checks to you on flop, you gotta take a stab, maybe 2/3pot or something. This is where i think he blew it. In many cases a bet will work there, and if it doesn't you completely shut the hell down after that and fold to any resistance at all.
Why play 7-5 if you aren't going proceed on the fairly rare times you get what looks like a good opportunity? That's the thing. After that, it became joke and I can barely believe this was even real.
I've never laughed so much at a poker video! Lol Please Kevin, leave the optimism for Nickelodeon
Calling occasionally with 7-5 off on the button isn't the worse play in the world when playing against the right opponent and if you know what you are doing post flop, but everything Kevin does post flop is wrong. He should have had a stab at the pot when it's checked to him on the flop then give up once there is resistance shown, but there is absolutely no excuse for going broke in this hand, especially when he's calling an all in, if he's the one shoving on the river as a bluff that is fair enough but to call in this spot is just terrible.
A lot of people are bashing on this player. Maybe he’s trying to learn. Even though this wasn’t the greatest play in the world, but have to give him credit for thinking on higher level.
So don’t give up. Don’t listen to people are bashing you down. Learn from this and move on
And let's not forget villain played his hand badly too. It's oh-so-typical for people to slowplay these hands to death, when in fact the only way to make money on this hand is to charge the straight draws and flush draws (by betting both the flop, with a set, and the turn, with quads.) Unless of course you're going to make your living waiting around for the a Kevin to do a swan dive on your sword. The only one who played the hand reasonably well was Sue.
Alec "missed a bet" here. He asked hero to look at it from villain's point of view. Fact is, hero could have a flush draw here (hey, it wouldn't be as bad as he actually played it). We all know, like villain does, that hero can fold the river because he might have a flush draw. Not saying that's his most likely hand, not saying villain should bluff, I'm just saying Alec missed the fact that sometimes hero throws his cards in the air and 2 diamonds land face up, and we hear the ubiquitous "I never hit my draws."
if he is a grinder he has some serious leaks
its not leak its big hole
Victor G i'm curious to what the cutoff had for him to raise the turn
Mike M most likely a flush draw that thaught was drawing dead when UTG+1 re raised to 350 or thaught the hero was bluffing and UTG+1 had underpair to the aces.
If he's a grinder he's broke.
I think Kevin played really well here, i thought the all in guy was going to show pocket 44s. i would have played 7/5 off the same as Kevin did. Keep up the good work.
I was putting Villain on trip 3's, making a boat on the turn. The quads surprised me!
i had a strong feeling that he had quads
Generally speaking, do you think it is better to play 57s on the button instead of QJo if the UTG has raised (who is tight) and another tight player has called the raise? My reasoning is that 57s should be easier to play post flop as one can be pretty certain that you are not dominated if you hit the flop i.e. UTG maybe AQ, AK, AJ and even if you hit the flop, you dont know whether your hand is good. However, with 57s, it is an easier fold and simpler to know where you are at against the others. what do you think?
Definitly yes. Against strong preflop ranges your goal is to hit two pair or better. Your goal is not to hit a medium strong pair, which will often just bring you into a really sticky spot, where you end up paying off. Even hitting trips with QJ is not always that great, because a JJ or QQ board will slow down your opponent more than a 55 or 77 board. And there is a higher risk, he also have trips and have you outkicked.
fold pre
This is basically somebody setting 900 dollars on fire and uploading it onto the internet
Congrats Kevin you are truly a Hero
Great turn call and better call on the river !
How do i play against kevin
I want to play with hero!!!!!! lol
Alec great analysis I will say one thing the quad aces guy looked like he was playing queens or kings that way, and the raise on turn looked fishy, hero could have shoved over the top and got kings and queens etc etc to fold there and it would not have been the worse play in the world and I coyld see the hero's logic...and if he was against those hands the bet would have worked also...
Best advice for Kevin . Lower your buy in level
Why do people still fall for the slowplayed top set? Holy molly, I'm amazed how it's so obvious when played by certain players yet there are still people who get stacked by it.
Btw, this is just another example of someone trying to look call with a marginal calldown, because what other reason would there be to call a 3-bet on the turn with second pair on a paired board?
It should not even have been an issue here, because Hero should have folded to the first raise. The person raising could be bluffing and probably actually was. But the original opener had already called Heros bet and thereby defined his hand as something with showdown value.
So Hero was trying to perform a calling bluff against the original opener while trying to bluff-catch against the raiser at the same time. And as Alec say, that is probably just a little bit to ambitious in this particular situation.
Maybe the original opener think, they are both full of crap, and he had enough of it and call with 88. Or he is just a big fish and call with 88, because "LOL I have 2 pair". In which case, even if Hero is right about the raiser bluffing, he still end up losing the pot on the river to the original opener.
Why is Doug polk signing his name Kevin?
Kevin, where do you play?? I need some easy money !!
😂played a hand with pocket is the other day on this kinda run-out in 3 bet pot in position tried to rep the A putting him on K thru 10 shut it down on river when he checked and got showed the quads!lost the minimum! yay! think my line folds out better than my 8s slot here.
Very nice hand. Totally surprising that he had quads
I thought is was pretty obvious when he c/r the turn.
Yannik Muche Why would it be surprising? what hands could he have other than REALLY bad bluffs? Ax is the BOTTOM of his value range which means 75 is drawing to 2 outs max which may not even be good. Terrible fucking call.
+Hotobu I dont even really see him taking this line for value with anything other than AA exactly. Its the only hand, which is scared to not get action, because it have pretty bad boardlock. And its also the only hand, which is not scared to ever be behind, because, well, its the nuts.
Its just the same like, when people open limp preflop and then go for a back-raise, when someone isolate them. If they limp-backraise for value, its almost never AK or JJ. Its pretty much always exactly AA. So the preflop limp-backraise is an extremely unbalanced play for most players. Which I think is also the case here.
Yeah, I'd say bottom of the turn range is AK of diamonds. Everything else is boats or better.
Could also possibly have 42s or A5s?
Most possible holding after he 3bets turn is Ax of diamonds
Kevin's invited to play in my game whenever he wants.
in a cash game its easy to bluff people who just sat down and those who got even, check out mike caro's seminars
Hey Alec can you stop reviewing hands that are bad calls pre-flop. It would be nice if you you reviewed hands that good players actually could benefit from.
When I first saw this title I thought it was about the outfit he was wearing in the thumbnail
Good read Kevin.
Kevin played this bad but one could argue that so did the villain who check-call-raised with quads against two opponents on turn... He won't get called by much. Typically opponents would fold unless they have a set... Usually a good strategy with (top) quads is to give rope to villains as much as possible... Let them do the betting. But what do I know.
Getting paid the max with quads on that board is so lucky!
Wow....
Kevin sometimes we try to write our ending to a movie script when the movie is already realesed in theaters..
"We know how the movie will end, right?"
Good play Kevin...should have worked.maybe shove plop next time
how can I send you a hand to review ?
People like Kevin make me want to play poker
I put or on quads after his 3bet on the turn, it must be quads and I don’t blame his play at all, after all when original caller raise and hero calls in his mind one of the two should have 5s or 3s boat sinche he blocks any possible combo of Ax. It’s also very very unlike he is bluffing for the considerations Alec did. Onestly the showdown didn’t surprise me at all
lol Kevin can come play games at my house any day!!! Folding pre easily here. 7-5 off plays terrible post. 2 callers before you. The call on the river is awful. You're only beating bluffs which I highly doubt he's bluff shoving here. Had a sense from the beginning that the original raiser was slow playing some ace.
5:01, I'm thinking villain has AK of diamonds, maybe a set of 5s. That's my prediction. I think "Sue" folded a diamond draw.
or... quad Aces... ok. I suppose that was in there as well.
Wow. My question is why the heck did the villain repop the turn after making quads? If he had just called he would have kept two players in the pot, one of which must have turned a boat or be drawing to a str8/flush combo.
The first preflop caller could easily have KdQd or suited diamond connectors; if a the draws had made it the villain would have made bank. xD
So, I think reraise with quads by villain a mistake.
David Chen In fairness, those hands would likely call the small turn raise anyway.
David Chen your play sounds more like ABC poker
+David Chen You cant continue to slowplay forever, when you are out of position with a hand, where you want stacks to go inside on the river. At some point you need to take the initiative, even if your opponents might fold. The goal in poker is not to keep everyone in the pot but to win as much money as possible.
Also I really dont think, the first preflop caller had anything strong here. As +bluechipnl say, both draws and boats would almost certainly call getting 4:1. So he probably just had complete air, which he was trying to steal the pot with.
Which is actually not a completely bad play by him, because it looked like, both his opponents had hands, that could not withstand a raise. Unfortunatly for him though, Hero put him on exactly that kind of play, and the original opener turned out to have a monster, which he had been slowplaying the whole time.
Kevin Nguyen Yes, it is very ABC. But if you are dating a trailer park girl you dont need a porsche to be impressive. Any pickup truck will do just fine, yes?
Imo it felt like at least one of the others would call because they seemed strong, so might as well get it in just in case the board hits a 5 or a 3 which kills your action.
LOL betting into quads. Funny funny. Thankd alec for all your videos. They are awesome and keep it up
I mean...there is for sure Donkeys out there playing a hand this way, but it´s mind blowing to me that someone would find this channel, subscribe and even send in a Hand and like putting in all this work, and playing this hand like some 75 I.Q. Dude.
I called quad aces!...yessss... what other hands would he raise preflop, check the flop, check turn, and reraise with there? I thought... what would alec torelli think(wwatt)😂
Im Glad Kevin is playing.
With reference to the title of this video..... what specifically is the 'poker mistake' that we don't want to make?
being an idiot
Like a 2c 5c hand
Allec is the best guy to watch
Help me step my game up I very impatient
That’s what Heinz Ketchup will do to you. Got his hand caught in the cookie jar. Other player could’ve had ANY pocket pair over Kevin’s but Kevin didn’t even think of that.
wow. as soon as the guy cold 3 bet on the turn i put him on quads. which is an insane thing to put someone on specifically quads but I feel like that's all he can have there, unless he's a maniac. Kevin, your game needs some work buddy. to put I mildly.
after everyone checks the flop checking the turn seems unlikely, but even if he somehow played a5 like that, you think he just flats the 40 oop? seems virtually impossible to me
I mean but I guess after check calling the 40 the tiny 3bet looks even fishier so I agree with you that it's terrible. everyone played this hand terrible except for sue. Iol
so here is a thing..GOOD poker players tend to assume that opponents think like good poker players..A check on the that flop DOES NOT MEAN that the opponent doesn't have an A even if the board is so dry. Fish tend to check A on the flop when they have it even is scary boards in multi way pots.
you know what you do with 7/5 off even on the button.....you fold it lol or maybe get aggressive and 3 bet and atleast take control in position. I bet he felt horrible when those quads were flipped over and he just gave him max value with a pair of 5's lmao
The week after I learned the rankings of poker hands, I don't think I could have made a play this awful.
i guess i should definitely play the higher stakes
I think this HH was a troll. Or it was sent to Alec from someone with a time machine and they have come into our present time from 2001.
I felt the hand was there for me to win :)
AK would be "crazy thin value" on that board? Couldn't disagree more. Holding AK means you should be playing more passively and NOT trying to get it in due to fear of a boat? Wow. Agree on folding a weak Ace to villain there but wouldn't go as far as saying AK would be crazy thin value
Typically you can not stack off top pair top kicker, when you are playing this deep, and expect it to be profitable against competent players. Just ask yourself, how you would feel as the preflop caller, if you had AJ, and the preflop opener got super aggressive on a A high board? What do you think, he have?
If you regularly get AK all in postflop on boards like this in deep stacked games, its probably a big leak in your game. Unless you play against huge fish, you will mostly be shown a set of 3`s or 5`s, when you get called down and go to showdown.
Then you will complain about, how bad you run, and how you always get coolered in situations like this. But the real problem is, you failed to think about, not only how strong your own hand was, but also what worse hands your opponents were likely to continue calling you with, when the pot got really large.
fundiver198 Did you stop watching the video before the turn and river?? Why are you talking in terms of top pair top kicker or Sets when the 2nd Ace hits the turn? Almost no money got in before the turn anyway. Obviously I'm rarely stacking off with top top on the flop but turning trip Aces with AK I'm usually trying to get it in. Playing scared against an aggressively betting villain always fearing boats is very -EV. Plus it's not like they're playing THAT deep...majority of the table is sub 200 BBs which is pretty normal for a main table cash game
fundiver198 Plus how much 55, 33, A5, A3 is in a MP opener's range? Not a lot.
I actually dont think, trip aces are THAT different from top pair with aces. The only hand, you beat on the turn but not the flop, is 53, which is probably only 53s, if its even in their range.
The main thing, which happen with the board pair, is, that it reduce the amount of combos of AX, they can have and pay you off with. Admittedly it also reduce the chance, they will fold a worse ace. But on balance the turn card does not change the relative strenght of AK all that much.
I would never get to the turn this way with AK. But if I did, I would be a little bit concerned by facing a raise AND a call. So I would not put in a 3-bet. I would just call, and probably check-call a river bet on most runouts.
The bluff call on the river never works...
this hand is exactly why i play alot of 2/5 calling stations.
Thinking on a super high level
Why would you recommend betting if you had 75s but not 75o? Essentially there is no difference.
Josh Igoe you have more equity preflop as well
Hitting the flush near guarantees you win a huge pot
it's a virtual tie in equilab on this flop. not enough to sway it from a check to a bet
calling station no doubt
I gotta move up to 2/5....
Easy fold 75 pre flop not suited crazy
This is the funniest poker analysis video/comment section in the world.
Gotta love the rail :)
Fold on the turn. You can't beat two players, unless a diamond pops on the river and you think you can bluff, and I don't think 2 players would fold on the river. There's so many hands on the river that beat your 2 pair.
After seeing the quads, Kevin goes to collect the money... thought he was playing a different game.
Lol small ball play is driving him nuts.. kevin if u ever had a move was to bet the flop since they checked and go from there gluck next time
Alec, tell Kevin that I have an open seat at my home 2/5 game. he's welcome anytime. Just kidding, thanks for the great analysis as always Alec. Can't wait for the next one