2024 F1 AUSTRIAN GP race analysis by Peter Windsor
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- With THAT collision destined to be talked-about for many a day, Peter begins this video with his take on the lap 64 Max Verstappen-Lando Norris shunt that eliminated them both from contention - and explains why it was that the Red Bull driver, at that point, was only running scrubbed medium Pirellis (as distinct from the new mediums on Lando's McLaren). Peter also identifies two stewards' decisions that could have greatly affected the race outcome - and you may be suprised. After the Turn 3 fracas, it was Mercedes' George Russell who breezed through to win from McLaren's Oscar Piastri and Ferrari's Carlos Sainz. Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen finished fourth and fifth - both with penalties - and both Haas-Ferraris - upstaging teams like Aston Martin and Williams - finished assuredly in the points.
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Independently of whom is to blame or not, Lando got the first taste of what really means to fight at the front in F1 when championship points start to count for real. No buddies, no fun and what not. Just ruthless competition. This is good, it will be a stepping stone in his journey if he wants to win championships.
correct....like Max learned this in beginning of his career
nico vs lewis type of relationship; which was broken over by the championship battle is incoming
@Middleageman500 well you nailed it I love reading truth and sensibility in the comments. Max has been the alpha, dominant force in their friendship as he’s 2 years older so it’s natural. Lando is climbing the mountain and slowly but surely climbing up the mental mountain and I’m hoping he’s had enough of 2nd now and realised that he can’t be mates and win. So after Sunday I think mates is over and nemesis has appeared to Lando who actually has the superior car now. Mental shortcomings are all that are in Lando’s way and I’m positive his psychologist is on call for emergency situations. A Mclaren driven by Lando would be the perfect result for the British fans at Silverstone and they’ll hear me from Melbourne. I hope it’s now. The longer Max is beating him in an inferior car the harder it will become to execute that vital step of winning and taking over as the dominant force on track. But Max is on the path for GOATness and is ahead of Lewis’ records for same percentage of races, time etc. It’s if Max sticks around long enough to win 8, and if Mclaren are winning by habit cause if Lando doesn’t win then Oscar definitely will. That’s another story for another day. What an era of formula 1. It’s the best since Senna vs Prost
This is what I’ve been saying. Lando got his first taste of a championship battle and mentally I don’t think he was ready for that fight which was shown by how hurt he was after.
What i don't understand is why Lando didn't move more to the left. More than enough room and it would give him even a better position for the run to turn 4.
The real driver of the day is Hulkenberg.
Oscar
agree
It Haas to be Hulk
Nobody cares
Hulk AND KMag in the points!
"Drive to survive" guys will make a full length cinema movie out of this one.
No they won’t… they’ll highlight the fierce battle between Ricardo and occon for 13th
And Peter Windsor should be in it!
They are not that deep!😆
@@alimantado373 maybe they can, using goofy special effects or something
Oh boy, can you imagine the day time soap opera editing going into tjat episode. Best mates becoming fierce enemies and rivals for the title.
People forget Lando pushed Max on the grass recently, but Max managed to not crash so everybody passed on it…
The Brit bias as usual. When Hamilton did his shenanigans in 2021 they were cool with it. They will milk this
CRASHSTAPPEN IS BACK BABY!
Had one tire on it and lando then moved over to leave him space, also a lap one thing which are very rarely investigated
Totally true
@@asian_sammy2022’Brit bias’ but first thing you do when a Brit posts is jump on the video to comment. Stay away from it if you don’t like it. Also, the idea of Windsor being bias against Max is absolute and utter nonsense, always speaks highly of him. Just because a driver is your favourite does not mean he is above criticism.
True the penalty for Lando came way too late. it should be a pretty simple decision. but yeah, the FIA.
Max should've got a penalty for leaving the tack and not giving the position to Max. Yeah, the FIA.
@@jsmr451 how so? Lando fully blocked track, what Max have to do?
@@AnoesiQhmm, maybe backup? Lando didn't run him wide, he was ahead in the apex, Max did not run out of track, he chose to keep his foot on the pedal and leave the track by himself
Still, it would have been a bummer to get it, as it would have removed most of the tension of the fight for P1…
@@nickvicious295 Why tf backup? WTF? He got pushed out and avoided a crash! But Lando doesn't need to backup when he's still behind(!) right before the crash and than crashed in Max again 2nd time 2 sec later? WTF? This is outrageous... can't believe what people will do or say just for the sake of hating someone who doesn't even know they exist. Go back and watch Leclerc's overtake on Max 2022 right there in Austria. No crash, not even some minor contact, no penalty, no moaning, no one went off the track. Just hard racing. That's how it's done.
Last week end when max was asked about his opinion on Lando pushing off the track at the start he answered he would have done the same
He was just being nice imo, Max doesn't leave space for drivers behind to do double overtakes like George managed in Barcelona...
Lando does cry an little bit.... i don't like that... they both where agressive... Lando saying he didn't do anything wrong today... he pushed max off the track 2 times and he had an 5 second track limit penalty.
Yeah, but why weren’t the British media hard on Lando last week like they are now on Max? That is not fair
I can't remember really
@@SafakYokolma Brittisch media did it against Schumacher and Alonso to... but not all Brittisch media are this way...
I think Norris just put himself under huge pressure for finally getting a win. After missing out the last two times it was obvious that he was going to give everything and more. And his remark about "Max has won so many times already." is a bit surprising. If he knows Max well (which he does), he also knows that Max will fight just as hard for win 68 (or whatever it is), as he did for the very first one. That hunger makes him the champion he is. He is not going to give anyone a present because they deserve their first victory. Not even a close friend.
Exactly. Norris is a great driver and I like them both but he needs to work on his mentality if he wants to become a world champion. The way he handled Austria is not the way he is going to beat Verstappen in a championship.
Norris won the Miami GP this year
Thanks mr. Windsor for this balanced take. We see a lot of people with old frustrations crawling from under their rocks and spinning an absolutely one-sided take.
Peter didn’t get his facts correct Max actual onboard shows him looking in the mirror looking to the apex turning to the apex, moving the wheel left..after looking to the left. th-cam.com/video/iu3tip9JZ_E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d1eXdQf4m00Q8n5t
Yes thought they said they see f1 in 2026
Thankfully the FIA can dish out penalties from an objective standpoint, which is what happened here. Don't move under braking.
@@VColossalVAnd yet Max didn't get a penalty for moving under braking, he got one for causing a collision.
@@VColossalVhe wasn’t moving under braking. He just did what everybody does, run the attacker as wide as possible. Every good racing driver does that.
Lando squeezing in Spain is ‘hard racing’. Max squeezing in Austria is drama. Double standard for brit drivers as always.
Yeah, how quickly did we forget that Max was actually in the grass in Spain...
fool
@@driesvanoosten4417Max was in the grass for 0.2 seconds and only mm of his right tyre was on the grass. Max was moving under braking multiple times and then after taking Lando out he tried to take him a second time while having a puncture. He's a total headcase but you fanboys don't like the harsh truth
@@broughy23forget about these crashstappen meatriders, no way you can reason with that cult.
@@broughy23 After taking Lando out? Seriously? Look at how Max got past Carlos last year at the same corner. Please
Its was pretty clear on Landos track limits ! Why did it take fia like 4 laps till after the crash to give him a 5 sec penalty.
my question too
And the stewards (one of them was Johnny Herbert) were suddenly very quick to dish one out to Verstappen
@@oledemaas9680 yea that british bias all the guys on f1tv where bitching for 30 min straight
@@oledemaas9680 How the hell does a biased F1 pundit, become a steward?
@@parthosarathimaxotek ... by being British?
"Peter Windsor is anti Verstappen"
"Peter Windsor always supports British drivers"
This video proves this to be wrong.
Do people say that? He support Max lots of times...
@@nalydamuttah1 there's almost always a few saying that. As you say, Peter has been praising Max for years.
He always seems objective and reasonable when it has nothing to do with Hamilton.
he believes 2021 was not right that is enough
Peter mis reports Max onboard, max inputs steering to the left just as KMAG did and got points on his license th-cam.com/video/iu3tip9JZ_E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d1eXdQf4m00Q8n5t
Dive bombing 45 times over 15 laps and eventually forces contact. What did anyone expect
"dive bombing" is when someone has the audacity to try to pass Max.
@@sagittatedno it isn’t
Is dive bombing illegal?
@@arunk.7708of course not but there are risks and one shouldn’t whine if things don’t work out.
@@arunk.7708 its not illegal per se, but you are highly relying on the opponent to work with you and avoid contact.
if you dive bomb and your opponent yields: no problem
if you dive bomb and your opponent doesnt yield: ends in tears
I was waiting for your perspective Peter. Knew it would be more balanced than that coming from the British media/ fans. Appreciate your insight.
So glad mclaren has a car fast enough to challenge max, we get to see crashstappen back in full force. Giving flashbacks of 2021. If max raced a clone of himself he would DNF every single race 😂😂
We can finally understand why red bull keeps Perez in that seat, they don't want a quick driver next to max, which always equals dirty driving and chaos. They were smart to keep checo. 😅
@@andrewmelton2686rent free. Another 12 points further ahead of Lando.
4th WDC getting closer now.
@@daarom3472 ah yes you change the subject because you know im right 😂😂😂 0 counter argument 😂😂
@@andrewmelton2686 arguments?
Martin Brundle & obviously Ted Kravitz ganging up on Max, blaming everything on him was utter disgusting & shameful given they're supposed to be professional. How about Lando rocket into Max on two corners running him out on both occasions, if anything Lando was trying too hard without properly setting up his attack, which is always risky.
Want a tissue?
@@jsmr451 Keep it, you'll need it in Silverstone.
@@obscuraapit Max lost in Austria. Get over it cry baby
Peter with his usual great analysis & insight. It's a reason you have this many subscribers
Max is a dangerous driver
We’ll see this more and more now that he doesn’t have a car more than 1s faster per lap
@@pfseri no he isn't lol. Dangerous is Maldonado, Grosjean, Andrea de Cesaris etc.
@@NicotineRosberg just be patient You’ll see it. The Mc Laren is just .5s slower.
@@NicotineRosbergyou apparently are new to F1... Crashstappen got that nickname for a reason. He's a reckless driver especially under pressure.
Funny.. I've heard Max fanboys claiming he so biased. Apparently only when he goes against the crashstappen clanboys POV huh??
Verstappen moved over a few times before the crash then for the crash he had no interest in actually trying to turn into the corner his focus was on blocking Norris you could see him looking in his mirror as he moved across in the on car footage . That's intent and he was to blame simple as that.
When Piastri starts outperforming Norris this year (or next year), let's see how Norris reacts
Repeat of Baku 2018 between Max and Daniel, the year Max started keeping up and then outscoring Daniel.
Norris is a level ahead right now. I hope to see Oscar doing better next year. Let’s see if he kicks on or becomes a Sainz level driver.
Lando will try to improve, he is not gonna send it on his teammate regardless , he sent it cuz it was max
@@lostmind24yeah, he will beg for team orders.
Fact is oscar is clearly quick, but his race craft and tyre management isn't there yet. He is no threat until that's sorted.
Max clearly setting the tone for Norris for the future. He wants him to be more tentative next time. They are friends but Max is reminding him who is daddy
It was Lando squeezing max on the grass in Spain that set the tone. Don’t conveniently forget that!
By almost killing him?
@@pfseri stop being melodramatic
@@bjrnchrstn Max was always going to do what he did today, even if what happened in Spain hadn't happened. Do you really think Max sat down after the Spanis GP and thought "Wow, I really didn't like what Lando did at the start, I'm gonna teach him a lesson next time"? Of course not. Max was always going to race hard and do everything possible to win, that's how ruthless he is. And Max said in the post-race press conference after the Spanish GP, that he would do the same if he was in Lando's position.
@@pfseri Seriously? So damn weak lol
If max was British he wouldn’t be hung out to dry and ridiculed. The British media is disgusting
Indeed they are. Too much British culture in F1, that’s the most unhealthy thing of the whole sport.
@@FonzNRG nation envy is strong with this one 😂
When Max doesn’t have a dominant car and leaves the sport, inevitably fair weather fans like you will disappear as will Zandvoort from the calendar and F1 will die in the Netherlands and still no one born in that country will ever have won an F1 race much less a championship.
Carry on with your anti British posts, it’s satisfying knowing an entire country gets under your skin every weekend.
I on the other hand can appreciate Max for being a great driver but also knowing everything he’s achieved wouldn’t have happened without his team principal, race engineer & the vast majority of the +1,000 men and women who designed and built the car he drives being British and if he decides to change teams and race for Mercedes, Aston Martin, McLaren, Williams or Alpine exactly the same thing will be true.
Sad little men like you on the other hand are a disgrace to all the decent Dutch F1 fans who aren’t raging nationalists. Enjoy waving your little Orange flag whilst you can as I suspect you won’t be needing it much longer.
lol
That unsafe release was in pit stop 1 to the hard tire
Yes. Peter brings great insights. But, often he gets one of these details so wrong in race summary. And given the position of the pit box, this 5-8s gap is a nightmare for Red Bull. Similar to 1st lap whole grid pit stop which the leading car cannot take because he would have to wait for a lot of cars to come in. I don’t know why they say that the leading constructor gets the advantage of being the first garage. What is the advantage? All I see is disadvantage of having to wait for other cars to come in despite the fact that they were behind.
@@parthosarathimaxotek the disadvantage of the first lap SC whole grid pit stop is real, but rarely an issue.
the advantages are
-the easier turn in angle (you dont have to turn in between mechanics of other teams)
-shorter trip to the pit when carrying damage (puncture)
but the true reason why the champion CHOOSES box 1 is because under normal competitive conditions you cant loose the lead there. your lead can be compromised but not lost which is more important.
here is why:
when you face close racing, which is when pit stops are critical, and you and p2 come into the pits separated by 0.2s you want to have the first box. even if your pitstop is 0.2 seconds slower than p2's pit stop he cannot release because you are now on equal time but already next to him in the pitlane and have preference. so you keep p1 even though you should be next to each other.
if you come in as p2 with a 0.2 deficit and your stop is 0.2 seconds quicker than p1 you actually overtake him because again he cant release.
Does anyone else get the impression a lot of people have been saving up a lot of arguments for a long, long time.
It's almost like the had drafts saved on X waiting for something like this :)
Of course. There is a large contingent of "fans" and media that can't deal with Max Verstappen absolutely dominating the field in rocket ships, in second fastest cars, and in even slower cars. Additionally, apparently British fans don't want to pay for tickets to see Max racing in Silverstone, so they have to stir this up to the max (pun intended).
Exactly this, was thinking the same
Yeah, Joylen Palmer f.e.
Omg what was he ranting about 3 years ago when different rules applied. Brittish bias at its best.
Or people just have functioning memories.
It seems to me that the British (and I know I'm generalizing here 😁) for some strange reason always need a villain. Be it the Dutch, the French, the Germans, the EU or in this case Max Verstappen.
Is it some sort of inferiority complex??
A great analysis- so far I’m writing this live! The British media post race was totally over the line and they almost wanted to have max disqualified. You and danish tv and former race drivers came almost to the same conclusions. But the British media is over the line and lost every objective analysis of the race. And looking at it now it was tough but unlucky and if Lando had been given his penalty everything could have been avoided! But it is was it is
I think Lando would have continued because he would then have tried to pull out the 5 seconds.
@@sbGOM drs !
Mr Palmer couldn't stop blaming Max for the incident even before they crashed into each other....
British F1 media, sadly, is extremely biased.
@fr3akzilla769 so if they said it was Landos fault they wouldn't be biased?
Finally, a reasonable take. The majority of the British race media’s bias is out of control. They want to support their countrymen so badly they look foolish.
They have always been foolish and bias.
Yeah, they hate Christian Horner and Adrian Newey and the team located in Milton Keynes because... They hate English people? No wait. How does it go?
this is biased tho so what are you on about, wild. hahahahaha
your bias is much better
Is it reasonable because you agree with it? Unfortunately its not in line with the facts and rules of the sport.
I want to remark that the complaining from Norris that Max destroyed his car is totally untrue.
Norris did that himselve by driving to fast with a flat tyre which ended slapping round and round destroying the floor and backside of the McLaren.
So the retirement is Norris his own fault.
Not only that he crashed into Max purposely after the initial contact, which gave Max his puncture. No penatly for an intentional crash there from Lando. Shitish media ignored that as well.b
@@matthewd6306 I juust watched it back and the first contact was the backwheels hitting each other, that punctured the tyre then Max went straight cause he lost steering and then Lando hit Max again with his front tyre.
But the puncture was from the first hit.
@@matthewd6306 That wasn't intentional. Lando's turning to take the corner in the hope he can carry on. There's no way for him to know that Max was unable to do the same because of the puncture (from the first collision). Max then goes across his path and the two touch again.
@@Renard998
still 'causing a collision'
@@matthewd6306 No he didn't. Stop writing garbage.
I ALMOST believed your view for Max until I fact checked... Max DID change his steering angle before the shunt. If you look at the replay he CLEARLY turned left braking into 3, didn't leave 1 car's width space which caused the accident.
You also didn't mention the overtake move before where Norris fairly overtook and Max went off-track to gain an unfair advantage to keep the lead?
and the track is straight before the corner
I think Peter tries to point out the role that regulations have and how it makes it all full of grey areas.
But there's several errors (mixing up the pitstopts) and as you point out a glaring omission of the successful legal overtake by Lando.
It's sad that people (on either side) quickly ignore common sense and clear facts when they go against their star. But I think Peter tried to shift focus away from saying what each driver was wrong about, and to point out rules are unclear.
It's clear to me that one driver gained a significant advantage overtaking outside of the track. Due to an unfortunate collision later in the race people seem to suddenly forgive & forget.
@@IustinDornescu but how can you trust his points after he made 2 so simple factual errors about the situation.
I think both Max and Lando should watch your video together when flying back to Monaco...
i gess they will do with a big smile
@@erikxtrema3845Let's hope they will analyse each other onboards..
I think Lando had to fly commercial…😂
I don’t think they were flying back 😉
According to Helmut Marko they did fly separately back to Monaco
Happy to have your comment because is not biased. If my english is correct
It was hard racing, that's what I like to call it. Verstappen however is being slaughtered on social media. Lando's comments after the race were very childish in my opinion.
Verstappen also didn't move under braking actually. It looks like this from the helicopter shots, but if you look at the onboard and the telemetry it will tell a different story.
Look at Vettels overtake on Hamilton in 2018. Vettel squeezed Hamilton even more, but they didn't crash? What was Norris thinking? Going around the outside in that corner will never work, especially not against Max.
Isn't interesting how Will Buxton was immediately talking about social media, and Verstappen going back to his old ways... He doesn't mean Peter, he means us. WTH do we know? Our opinions are effectively irrelevant. Seriously. They (the media) are going to stir this up. But I don't think it's going to work between Max and Lando.
Are u a steward? Cos max got a penalty for moving under breaking we all saw it except u?
@@RiaNash-o3s He did not, he got a penalty for causing a collision. Stop talking already
@@ronmurray7349 Yes and they are extra salty because Russell won
@@RiaNash-o3s
Haha....to quote Tsunoda: what a retard.
Thank you Peter. This is the most honest and unbiased analysis I have heard today. It’s hard racing and indeed a result of too many unclear rules which are interpreted in an arbitrary way by the stewards. Much unlike some of the other British media who are always first to point the finger at Max.
This is just drivel…
Peter falsely reported the truth here. Max own onboard shows max looking in mirror seeing Lando behind on left, braking and looking toward the apex, steering toward the apex, then looking back to the left and steering to the left. The same inputs that got K Mag points on his license. Peter’s bias toward Max is appalling- the world saw today th-cam.com/video/iu3tip9JZ_E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d1eXdQf4m00Q8n5t
@@therealBocaStudios Chill, Max got points on his license aswell as the 10 sec. No need to make it all melodramatic with your: "The world saw ... 🙄
@@bniceuk8207 Well, thank God Team LH is a picknick 🤣
Ted kravitz not balanced at all not seen one max thing where he didn't blame him solely
Lando had the better perspective on what was happening as the driver in the rear. Lando could have avoided Max, He choose to maintain his his position on the track, I at first thought it was Max's fault but looking at the overhead footage it's pretty clear Lando had a choice as the car behind it's his obligation not Max's
Peter the unsafe release was on the first stop when Max went from medium to hard.
No unsafe release happened
You're mistaken, Peter. The Red Bull pit stop being investigated was the first one. It was an okay pit stop 2.7s stationary for Max. There have been much closer cases of unsafer release than that. Hence, the stewards dismissed it. Max lost 2s for a slow wheel nut and another 2s for Lando to pass by on his second stop.
Peter is wrong a lot today here’s max onboard th-cam.com/video/iu3tip9JZ_E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d1eXdQf4m00Q8n5t
mistaken or mistaking?*
Proof even Peter gets it wrong, sometimes.
Yes you're right it was for the first stop
@@Hb52354a bit more regularly when a British driver is involved
Kvyat driving a McLaren now?
Oscar can overtake drivers like Lewis and Carlos, no dive bombing. The car can do it, Lando needs to learn some smarter racecraft.
thats why Piastri is the one to watch
I'm a subscriber but I don't always watch your vids unless I really am torn about some race controversy. I think your hypothesis on this racing incident is fair to both drivers and it rings true. Miles better than the biased and inflammatory post race show from Sky F1.
If I was George I would send thank you cards to Max and Lando.
No, he should send one to the right rear hub that got sticky.
George's tussle with Lando race prior (Spanish GP) cost him P3. It allowed Lewis to catch up to them.
Russel got lucky again - Hamilton fan boys
Yea Russell was fist pumping and really carrying on after he took the checkered flag like he outdrove everyone to claim the victory . Truth is he was trailing the race leaders by a good margin and safely ahead of the rest of the field in 3 rd before the crash He won the race by default after the Max / Norris collision . Somebody had to win but he should have acted more humbly than what he did . IMHO
@@kls2020 That guy's got a massive ego, lmao. He got lucky this time
Hi Peter, @ 8:25.00 The unsafe release was in the first set op pit-stops, going to hards. This is also the reason Max was held up more at his second stop... RB did not want to risk the unsafe release investigation twice...
It makes me laugh all the hate for Max. Remember Hamilton near killed him in Silverstone a few years ago Norris had Max in the grass in the last Grand Prix , not to mention his wild lunges at the race today ! so I put it down to a racing incident since two guys racing hard, but ultimately Max will never relinquish. Respect to Max .
It's absolutely the British media which is trying to destroy him now they see an opportunity.
Best driver always get the most hate 😂
Killed him ? He had a hospital check up & had zero injuries 🤔
@@r7coo "near", maybe read the comments you reply to.
@@r7cooThat's all afterall talk
Many thanks to Mr. Windsor for an excellent overview of the happenings of today. You should be on the F1 channel, as they seem to have no clue. Just prejudices about certain drivers. You, on the other hand, are spot on with your analysis. Thanks, for a cogent description of events.
Thanks Peter. You're the first one that hasn't overreacted. I agree, Max angled with the track but didn't turn under braking.
Absolutely the best analysis of the incident.
He offer no facts. Just a misunderstanding of the truth see Max onboard for yourself Max movement where the same that got KMag points on his license earlier this year th-cam.com/video/iu3tip9JZ_E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d1eXdQf4m00Q8n5t
I have to say Norris is such a cry baby.. He’s been on the radio ever complaining about Verstappen moving under braking, which, if that was the case would’ve been penalized, it’s easy to get the metrics from telemetry. Then Norris was, understandably, super aggressive in his attacks almost taking out Verstappen at one point to complain that he was forced off the track. In what world does Lando live to even think that was the case? Then he complained after another divebomb pushing Verstappen off track that he should give back the position because he was ahead at the apex, well look at the video, he was half a car behind.. I love these aggressive moves and racing in general but stop the whining, both were racing hard and to be really fair, the “shunt” to me was more an unfortunate racing incident than a penalty worth move.
Peter analyzing the situation, not just regurgitating the rather biased Sky Sports commentary we get in Oz. I hold no allegiances either way but my assessment was that max braked in a straight line, just not a line parallel to the outer kerb, as that's how he has decided is his approach to taking this corner. Lando just drove on the outside of Max like he wasn't there and put himslelf in harms way which is just dumb. Despite all his public theatrics, Lando will be kicking himself that he threw a potential win in the bin - though he would have had to beat Max by 5 seconds or more to do this with his track-limits penalty!
The sad thing about these stupid statements by Norris is that it will probably rain death threats on Verstappen again next week from all sorts of idiot paper tigers behind their computers and it will be no different at Silverstone next weekend. Norris should realise that he is a role model for the world and that this kind of statement shows how immature he still is. With Stella and Brown, too, you can see by their stupid statements (bring Lewis back in with that 2021 case...) that frustration still prevails there. Probably because they haven't been able to build a winning car for years. But boy oh boy... what cheap rhetoric, unbelievable.
Yea, that definitely Lando's fault. Every common sense take on how that works says Lando was at fault. The driver on the inside shouldn't HAVE to alter their own line, particularly when they are AHEAD. That rule is stupid, well i understand the thought behind it but its implemented extremely poorly. If the driver in the lead ACTUALLY intentionally forces them off the track in a clear case of being an asshole, penalize them. But its not like Max made double moves to cut him off, Max simply performed his defensive moves perfectly. British Media, fans, and all the 10yr old Lando fanboys will never accept that. Lando has the better car yet he keeps getting curb stomped by the superior driver.
But it makes ZERO sense that Max is, for some insane reason, supposed to change HIS racing line despite being in the lead by his entire cars length... that's stupid. The stewards are shit but thats not news. The FIA needs to get it's shit together. It's as bad as the NFL and home plate umpires in baseball. They set rules that make no logical sense because they are entirely open to interpretation and some of them go against everything racing IS. Every human on the planet, with a fully functioning brain, KNOWS that in a turn the driver in the lead AND on the inside of the corner has the right of way to drive whichever line he wants to pick and its on the car behind to anticipate their choice and counter their movement to gain an advantage and potentially make the pass.
Lando wins one race and its like he thinks hes Michael Schumacher or something and should get Lewis Hamilton levels of preferential treatment...its insane. And worse, the rabid 10 year olds and most of British Media with their general massive bias on British athletes, AND apparently the FIA and stewards think so too. Its just stupid.
Landos fans will become unbearable, they have quite the overlap with the cult part of Lewis' fans aswell I feel like. He's a funny guy, but I always got a massive spoiled brat vibe off him, not surprised in the slightest by him giving an interview like he did either. Lando isn't ready for a fight at the top imo.
Right on buddy
The rule is because of Max driving style in the past..or have you over looked it for the sake of whatever..? Max wrecked many drivers from the inside because he forced the position from underneath..the rule was implemented to stop max no one else
@@lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl let them be unbearable, its funny to look at. when it was like this with lewis fans i didnt mind since lewis is an accomplished driver and among the greats for sure. lando hasnt done anything yet worth mentioning so his fans praising him being a racing god is just hilarious.
@@therealBocaStudios you should try and look up the definition of 'wrecked', because what Max did in the past doesn't even remotely fit that definition.
Another Max Fan Boy channel😂😂what max did was right, only the rules were wrong 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Take a bow Peter. Appreciate your unbiased take. 👏
Seriously, he didn’t speak truth here’s the Max watched Lando approach then looked at the apex and steered to the apex then looked to the left and steered to the left and then watched Lando all the way into the collision. Kmag received points on his license for the same inputs earlier this year. th-cam.com/video/iu3tip9JZ_E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d1eXdQf4m00Q8n5t
Another Max Fan Boy channel😂😂what max did was right, only the rules were wrong 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you peter. Finally someone who just looked at the onboards and racing and comes to a fair conclusion. This is a prime example of a racing incident in which neither is really to blame. Wheelbanging like this happen every race but now sadly led to a puncture for both cars. I found it very strange the stewards gave Verstappen a penalty especially considering they did like half lap later when max just got out of the pits again. I doubt they thoroughly reviewed the footage and jumped to conclusions which might be unsettling for future decisionmaking by precedent now.
Lando already got his track limit penalty in the race, but somehow it took the stewards around 5-7 laps to determine that whilst it’s a pretty slam dunk penalty. I found this weird considering the speed at which they made the verstappen decision. It’s like they wanted to wait with the penalty knowing it would keep lando and max racing instead of max letting lando through. This worries me a lot, apparently spectacle is now more important than fairness or safety for that matter. If they had a massive dangerous crash with potential injury that would’ve been on the FIA for withholding that penalty. Their withholding also caused both Max and Lando a 1-2 finish (they both lost out on the podium now after regardless of who would’ve finished first) this should be reviewed. The stark difference in handling speed between these incidents whilst the faster decision was a lot harder to make than the slow decision is just quite unbelievable.
Friend sent me this video after we argued about the incident.
I am fairly new to the F1 (started watching at the start of the 2023 season) so this really helped me understand better.
Thank you for talking about the race so clearly, keep it up, you got a new fan :-)
Even the mostly ,very biased, English pundits were praizing him the last couple of races for being a absolute masterclass driver, getting more out of the car then it was capable of. Now, after one mistake in maybey 40 races, he is the villain again.
well said
These pundits expect you to be Jesus Christ if you're not British 😂
That's called Brittish. Saying things which the don't mean.
It's a show. British media cheering for a Brit is pretty simple. McLaren following Mercedes' lead by trying to turn the media against Max.
They had no other credible option but praising him left. It's also a general media thing, they wait for the right moment and when they think someone is down, they all come in together to kick him.
I do not care about the incident it was a small thouch with a lot of bad luck happening , I do want to comment on the toxic commentators . Except Stefano . You can see he was fair and loves everyone and everything about racing
Sky got rid of the other fair ones.
That sharp pointy wing on the outside of the mclaren is dangerous. They showed it pre race and I thought…. “Mmm this might get tires slashed when touching”…. Then this happens.
Truth is that Max onboard shows max watching Lando approach, he brakes and steers to the apex then looks back and steers to the left looking himself into Lando the entire way…Peter is blatantly wrong on this and the evidence shows us enough to see that the “media” is telling the truth on Max and Lando th-cam.com/video/iu3tip9JZ_E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d1eXdQf4m00Q8n5t kmag got points on his license for the same inputs max made here
@@bjrnchrstn How difficult would it be for other teams to bring something like that? No performance benefit is needed.
Buxton was pretty outspoken, yeah, i forget if it was Alex Brundle, or Ant that did the crash recap, but Buxton simply laughed at him for thinking that Max could maybe not 100% intended this.
Granted, Max isn't someone known to hold back, but usually you can really see the intent, this one was much more ambiguous, although i do lean 60-40 towards it being Max's fault/responsibility, but nothing on the level of controversy.
And it was kinda nice to hear the Italian guy just commenting on the excitement that it created, instead of playing the blame game.
Lando pretty desperate there, needs more experience fighting for that top step. Divebomb after divebomb into the hairpin at times not even trying to make the corner. Could have just kept Max under pressure for 3 more laps and got the job done on the straight. That Mclaren had fresher tires and is kinder on its tires than RB.
Lando had the speed if he had only exercised more patience instead of trying to force the issue .
Yea Lando just needs to learn from this experience and be more patient when fighting wheel to wheel, he had laps remaining for more attempts. He was too desperate in the moment.
is it surprising? people in high power positions often do not know what they are doing when the pressure comes.
I disagree I think he should collide and show Max that he's not going to back off. F1 is just a product now, might as well give me the hard racing and controversy. If I care about actual racing I go watch a different discipline like WEC or MotoGP.
It takes 2 to tango. Anyone who didn't see it coming understands nothing about racing and about max. Taking the hypocritical english side on this one is just being ignorant. In the end both were equally at fault. And to be honest #LandoNorris showed his inexperience as he could have kept pressuring #MaxVerstappen into a mistake instead of being all dive bomb banzai, since being all dive bomb banzai on max gets you what lando got. Now max extended his lead further by 12 points to 81 points over lando, meaning that lando lost and max won.
Indeed, and also, in the championship points context, Max win was bigger than finishing 1st with Lando 2nd (by just 1 point, but still)
Um. The unsafe release wasn't during the 6 second pitstop. It was during the pitstop before.
What is so weird to me. We had a similar situation between Max and Lewis at Monza in 2021. Only then Max was on the outside and got squeezed. Lewis did not leave enough space and Max hit the sausage kerb, resulting in Max hitting Lewis and both cars stranded.
This was fairly similar, both drivers not willing to give up and eventually collide. max on the outside? Penalty. Max on the inside? Penalty.
I really don't understand the rules of racing sometimes and they're not making it very clear why they punish a certain driver imo.
Funny thing is that max is not even turned up to 100 on agression yet. But he still managed to make lando cry and make mistakes. Now this was ablessing in desguise because now max wont be so nice to lando on track anymore, BEAST mode is coming now.
Yes 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🔥🔥🔥🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱
Kind of a good point yeah, normally you'd see immediately when Max is in beast mode, this one was either intentionally tame, or simply unintentional.
But yeah, it could've gone much harder.
@@Games_and_Music in my opinion when max is pushed he reverts to cheating
@@stevepiccinnin1157 you want him to just give up and let him overtake without a fight?
@@MartinRiggs1820 there’s a difference between a clean fight and the tactics he resorted to in 21’ and before.. he hasn’t matured at all.. I’m disappointed
bloody rule is sott on, ifon the inside, stay on the freaking inside. i was sure were were aware of lando getting track limit penalty before the attamepted avertake :/
No one wants to talk about the fact that Lando should have had 5 second penalty for track limits when he dive bombed Max? That should have been an immediate penalty and all that crap would have been avoided. FIA fucked it up again.
This always takes a lap, or two. They have to check, double check, triple check to be sure.
Track limits are not under battling its only during chasing, maybe watch the video Peter literally talks about it.
Just like Abu Dhabi 2021. 🤣🤣
@@wreagfe also, they're terrified of intervening if it involves a fight for the lead
Great analysis and insight. Hats off to Peter for giving this balanced and objective take of the incident.
If only the pundits could be like this.
THANK YOU PETER, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO IS OBJECTIVE. I THINK MAX DID NOT WANT TO CRASH. AND YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE PENALTY FOR LANDO. WHY DID THEY ANNOUNCE THIS SO LATE.
AND I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE ATTACKS ONLY MAX . WE SAW ALSO AGGRESSIVE RACING FROM LANDO. Actually IT WAS HARD RACING FROM BOTH.
Because Lewis fans need something to do
Writing in all caps makes you look like a psychopath.
Commenting on makes you sound like a sanctimonious Berk@@nostooge
Mabye because MAX FANS ONLY USE ALL CAPS dude chill!!
Lando got penalized for the track limits right? And not for pushing off Max?
Another Max Fan Boy channel😂😂what max did was right, only the rules were wrong 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Best part is when the chap says Max didnt move it was the road who moved to Max! Unbelievable
I think you have the pit stops confused as far as the unsafe release is concerned. The long pit stop got extra long because they released Max only after Lando had passed.
Were it not for the slow pit stop and the delayed Lando track limit, Max would have won either ahead or behind Lando. Max appeared to make double moves as approaching turn 3, but Lando enough room to avoid contact altogether imo
Peter Windsor, meanwhile, seems to be the only one in the UK who can look at it in a nuanced way.
As always, Peter makes sense out of the nonsensical.......Thanks!
I knew I could count on Mr. Windsor having an actually balanced, reasonable take based on facts that actually happened.
I am a bit disappointed with Mr. Windsor's take in today's race. I normally respect his balanced perspectives, except he did get a few facts incorrectly. 1) The Austrian race is 71 laps long, not 77 as he mentions. 2) Mr. Windsor also is naming the wrong RB pitstop being investigated. 3) More importantly, Max does indeed steer to the left in the braking zone (@ the 100m board). This was a rule implemented in the regulations several years back when Max would make dangerous moves under braking (article 33.4). Max moved several times in the braking zone and pushed Lando wide during the exit of the turn. It's too bad Peter's post race videos don't include race footage that backs up his statements.
Lando cost max an race win, but max gained 10 points on Lando today😂.... both to blaim, this is racing...
Yeah, funny how that worked out for Max on a day where nobody at the top of the points did very well.
12 in total this weekend
weekend summary:
+12 vs Norris
+15 vs Charles
Thats more than he couldve hoped for. The rest of the field isnt even in contention anyways.
It wasnt an unsafe release. Norris claimed he couldnt steer in,.. If he did, he would be pitting at Ferrari.
He did a hard brake to exaggerate.. (all drivers do, its their Schwalbe)... F1 is becoming more about silly rules, drivers complaining and ratting out like football players. Overtaking was a skill, not a push off a button, and when that didnt work adding more silly rules like mentioned, the moving under breaking. Just let them race like they did pre drs.
I don't understand why we have all these penalties for unsafe releases and unsafe reentries and moving under braking and have to leave room for the other car but somehow we have no penalties for unsafe actions when passing? Lando would've taken Max out with the divebomb on lap 58 and even when he ran Max off the road had he not taken evasive actions. Why is there no penalty unless there's contact when so many other penalties exist to avoid contact. Also I totally agree that the delay in applying the Lando penalty played a huge part in that situation.
Really the stewards sat on a penalty decision for too long. If they handed Lando the penalty when it was obvious he would get one then the crash probably wouldn’t have happened
"Catching is one thing, passing is quite another" specially living legend Max Verstappen. RIP Murray Walker. Onto Silverstone 🎉
Peter you know you're great but, I do think you're wrong on this one. Lando tried two times on the inside and failed. So Lando was gonna try the outside and Max wasn't prepared for that. Max flinched to the outside when he saw what Lando was doing. The previous two laps Max kept flinching to block Lando in response to which side Lando was going to go to, in the braking zone none the less. That alone is a 10 second penalty and Max did it twice in the previous two laps. This time Lando was going to go on the outside, and with Max being in reaction mode, flinched left and realized it was too late. Lando was already there. Max's reaction to Lando already being there should have been to take the corner but intentionally didn't do so until it was too late and then they collided. Lando was in the right on this one. Max made a mistake. Thats not what gets me upset about this whole thing though. What gets me upset is that the stewards had two laps to warn Verstappen about movement in the braking zone and they chose not to take action. Third time in a challenge for the lead and there was a collision. When the FiA puts points onto your Super License, it means it was avoidable. Max really needs to change his crash or win mindset when he gets on that track. He's got a tremendous amount of skill and that skill does not allow you to put a competitors $80 Million dollar car at risk.
Vultures enter the chat below; so they can help Silverstone to sell all their tickets. 🤣🤣🤣
Haha, yeah. Christian Horner also used this 'controvery' to take shots at Silverstone's track director, saying that if he couldn't sell out now, with things heating up like this, he's doing something very wrong.
Years of complaining F1 is boring. Overtaking 99 out of a 100 times is just DRS crap. Finaly after 3,5 years some real racing and then everybody quoting the rulebook.
Really refreshing to hear this take..unbiased unlike so many "professional journalists" out there. I thought the same about the pit release... was dumbfounded to see how long it took to give the track limit penalty.
refreshing to have a confirmation of bias i guess for you
@lyndajones1133 I'm a fan if I'm biased it would be ok.. professional journalist aren't suposed to be biased.. it would make them unprofessional. That's basically the point of what I wrote, in case you're too blinded by your own biased views. 😘
I watched the incident several times through, and I disagree with your analysis that Vestappen did not steer left, but the it is the track turns right. If you take the satellite view in google maps, you can see that the track is absolutely straight all the way to the sharp corner. Max moved more than half a car width to force Lando out. Max knows he was wrong, I wonder if he is big enough to admit.
The FIA is really to blame for this all, they should have made a earlier decision about the time penalty for Lando.... but they didn't..... again FIA messes up
Listening to what George said that Lando said he is going to race Max hard , must Max just pull over. It shows Lando's intention .
Max got a taste of his own medicine.
@@_Who_Am_I_And_Who_Are_You he did, and won.
@@lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl where did he win today?
@@_Who_Am_I_And_Who_Are_You10 points more than Lando is a win dummy.
@@bjrnchrstn here here another Max fan. A win you call it, crashing out your opponent and still finishing is a win for you
The crash between max and lando looked worse too because of the second impact which resulted after Max lost tire pressure and in return lost steering grip and went further outside
Too many penalties given out today. Let them race.
How is moving under breaking the racing as it should be? Let them race, but make it fair, not moving left or right risking the shunt for the other driver or even yourself...
@@markokovac2015 You have to qualify better or out smart the guy you are racing. Over a season things will work themselves out, Max is know to race dirty you have match that or stay behind. Crying on the radio about moving under braking or his wheel touched the white line is some real privileged rich kids BS. #makeF1greatagain!! You should check out some 80's F1 highlights.
Nah that was pretty bad
@@Random415510m8 idk about you but I don't want to see 5 retirements to collisions because "that is real rackng"
Max did moved the steering to the left and he saw Lando from his mirror. Just checked from the on-board, it can be seen very clearly.
you are absolutely wrong with the fact that max didnt turn his steering wheel left when the collision happened. fact
Have you tried looking at the on-board footage? All you people claiming Max turned left are either blind or willfully ignorant of the 'facts' that you claim to have.
@@halofreak1990 I respect Windsor and I believed to see that max used steering and rewatched and he did. There is nothing to discuss.
@@dirkdoedel i looked at it again and you can clearly see him steering to the left shortly after the 100 m board. Also the track does not bend to the right, not from footage or maps, like Peter said
best insight i have heard yet
and 5 second penalty was given during the race... Come on Peter, watch it carefully please...
Excellent analysis, Peter.
Peter you simply just can’t acknowledge that Max is dirty driver…always has been always will be
small incident made big by toxic media.....max bashers woke up....well u know max....next time he will do as he pleases ....I hope so at least
Max is Max so yes he will indeed
If Max was British they would be tearing down statues and replacing them with figures of him lol
This was a good insight. Thank you Peter.
this was fantastic insight, thank you Peter. i believe in trying to be fair despite having a bias toward someone, so even as a Max fan i was quick to give him more of the blame than Lando at first glance. but the more i looked at the footage, and now that ive listened to your breakdown of events, i have a clearer perspective and definitely think it was at LEAST equal blame. F1 is a fascinating and complex sport, that's for sure.
To be honest i do not know when Peter records these but he mentioned he just got the message that Lando got a 5 second penalty.
I was watching F1 TV and i am sure i have seen and heard the 5 second penalty getting anounced during the race 1 or 2 laps before the shunt.
Just watched it back, the 5 seconds was awarded a few corners after they collided.
So basically what you're saying at the start was Max was at fault in Silverstone & you'd be right.
I hope Max wins in Silverstone by 30 seconds to shut some of those salty whiners up. Both went over the limit today, Max just got the blame because of the contact.
Damn, Verstappen supporters are really something else, in a bad way. You make average F1 fans cringe with your ridiculous biased takes, but hey, let's watch this arrogant sore loser win every race from now on. That will be fun and good for the sport. He's a generational talent, no one is denying that.
Max fans are so toxic - I cannot wait until someone is doing a Max to Max…it will be wonderful.
Sadly ‘21 was Lewis and the FiA aren’t gonna be there to see Lewis winning against Max - or at least Liberty Media.
@@wiscious mate, what race have you been watching? Norris literally tried "pulling a Max" on Max. Several times.
@@wiscious Norris is literally doing that now.
@@halofreak1990 Max moving while braking in reaction to Norris. Max squeezing Norris and the. Literally chopping the corner at off to force Norris to take the run off.
Not saying Norris didn’t do some slightly naughty things, but he didn’t do anything like what Max does.
Problem is that it’s Max has consistently been like this and a lot of people thought he’d changed a bit.
Have you seen this view? th-cam.com/video/T_CcHcgIoTY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bC_EsTzmIUjPbV07
Was Max not moving in the braking zones? You say he was moving perfectly into the corner. Is this not the breaking Zone?
Brilliant analysis….thanks
I disagree- when Verstappen is under pressure he reacts by blocking and running other drivers off the road as with Lewis in 2021- he’s a dirty driver with most people feeling that way!✅💯
Most Brits, Lewis isnt always as clean as the moment when he drove 20 sec in the lead
@@ivostarmans1199 It’s people all over the world except parts of Europe & I’m not British- USA!✅💯
Speak for yourself. I don't think he's dirty at all. He's definitely smarter than every other driver though. Norris is a moron
Thank you Peter! It's just racing to be honest.
God tier, balanced, impartial, knowledgeable factual information and analysis as always Peter. All delivered in a perfect package of manors, grammar, vocabulary intrigue truth honesty and integrity with the ability to weave analytical content with personal experience and storytelling of a life lead to the highest quality and level possible around f1 except maybe Eddie Jordan lol. Love ya Pete. I love Cameron but it’s what I described that just makes you better. Thanks as always 👀🧐🤔🤫👍🏼