Regarding lifeboats: no ship in that Era carried enough lifeboats for all the passengers on board. And that's because with the new wireless radio, the ship would be able to, in theory, call in the nearest ship very quickly. So the lifeboats were meant to only transport people from the sinking ship to the rescue ship, not take everyone off the ship at the same time. Titanic actually had even more lifeboats than those required by the British Board of Trade. If the Californian, who was close to the Titanic, had actually gone to the rescue or made a bit more of an effort to try to figure out what was going on, then the lifeboats on the Titanic would have done their job and a lot less people would have died.
Well that and if I recall right, the BoT's requirements for the numbers were based on size and they were horribly behind the times, with the largest weight class being 10,000 tons, which was 4.5 times less than the Titanic.
That's true, the Titanic did carry _a lot_ more lifeboats than required, but the story of the Californian did bring about another change. The Titanic sent out distress calls, obviously, which the Californian would have been able to receive because she was only 20 km away, unfortunately, the radio operator had already gone to bed. Had she gotten the message, she would have had more than enough time to go over there and rescue people. So after 1912, that rule was changed as well: ships needed to have someone manning the radio at all times.
Also these theory did work. When another White Star Liner was sinking (The Republic) many ships came to her r sauce and I think only three peopel died from the initial collision that ended up sinking it.
Cunard made a third ship, The Aquitania, to rival the Olympic class. She served in both world wars and was the last ocean liner to have 4 smoke stacks until her scrapping in 1950. She was one of the oldest ships at the time.
It's odd that the Aquitania is not as well remembered today, considering she was one of the most popular and successful liners of all time. Her service life brought her safely through the Second World War and beyond. She deserves to be better remembered ,and considering her long life story, she would actually make for a better episode on Megaprojects
While it does not directly relate to the Olympic-class, some major kudos have to be given to the designers of the Carpathia, first ship on-scene to Titanic's sinking. A ship designed for 14 knots, all steam pressure directed to the engines including from cabin heating and hot water, achieved 17.5 knots. That might not seem like much, but that is 25% over her rated speed. To make it even more incredible, due to how steam boiler engines work that comes out to nearly twice the power and pressure the system was built for. Nag on Titanic's design flaws all you want, but those who came to her aid would have made Montgomery Scott proud with how they pushed their ships' limits.
Not to mention they did this while navigating the ice field that had just claimed a much larger ship...in the pitch black. The crew had some serious balls
It could be argued that the crew on the Titanic did everything wrong- they were complacent, had not performed a lifeboat drill, and the chain of communication quickly broke down- while the captain and crew of the Carpathia did everything right. They were clearheaded in setting their priorities and quickly responding to an unprecedented emergency.
The Titanic’s central propeller wasn’t powered by the reciprocating piston engines, the central propeller was powered by a steam/gas turbine. The exhausted steam from the reciprocating engines, “now low pressure steam” was used to drive the steam/gas turbine, in turn, driving the central propeller. They utilised as much of the steam pressure as possible before condensing to reuse. The reciprocating engines which powered the 2 outer propellers had high pressure and intermediate pressure pistons, stage 1&2, the exhaust steam from the intermediate pistons then fed the steam/gas turbine, now stage 3 at low pressure.
Also should be mentioned that the image of a 4 blade center prop is NOT of the Titanic, and evidence points to the Titanic only having 3 blade propellers.
ashley a That’s something I’ve just learned after you pointed out 👍🏻, am I correct in saying they trialled a 3 blade central propeller on the titanic for performance purposes ?
I was fascinated by the titanic as a child, even did a history mural during a science fair as something on the side for people to learn about. I was more fascinated by the history of the titanic than anything to do with it's science, so it really was an out of place thing. Today, I'm happy to once again indulge my old passion with one of my favourite TH-cam channels, and I thank you for making this video sir.
4:53 You've compared the wrong speeds. 24 knots was only a service speed of Lusitania and Mauretania. Their top speeds were 26 and 28 knots. As you've correctly mentioned the top speed of the Olympics was 23 knots, but their service speed was only 21.
guys remember, this is a content farm of sorts. and simon doesnt read the comments. he is just a paid actor/narrator. he probably doesnt write the scripts, nor is he likely to fact check them.
Mauretania's top speed was 26.4 knots, her service speed was 23 knots. Olympic was 21 knots service speed however her top speed was significantly improved over the years. Once she was converted to oil fired boilers and got a post war overhaul she reached 24.2 knots. In 1933 her service speed was set to 23 knots matching the Mauretania in service speed and and coming within 2 knots of her top speed. Meanwhile she never suffered of any notable vibrations even at top speed and was notoriously steady, unlike the Mauretania that enjoyed a good roll and heavy pitch downwards on a big wave due to her low displacement in the bow. Only the Queen Mary and Normandie much later would come to 28 knots and surpass it (quite significantly).
By the time Olympic would have arrived on the scene all of the survivors had been picked up by the Carpathia. There was no one left a live in the water. The Olympic was ordered away by J Bruce Ismay and the captain of the Carpathia because it was thought that the survivors on the Carpathia would be too traumatized by the sight of an exact replica of the Titanic.
Just a few facts, in case the video didn't cover them: 1. No, Jack and Rose were NOT aboard the TITANIC; 2. No, the OLYMPIC and TITANIC were NOT switched in an insurance fraud; 3. No, there was NOT a plot by the Federal Reserve Bank to kill off their opponents by sinking them in mid-ocean; 4. No the TITANIC was NOT sunk because of a "coal bunker fire" (there WAS a smoldering coal situation, but it had NO effect on the sinking); 5. They were NOT trying to set a "Speed Record (it would have been IMPOSSIBLE, and both Captain Smith and Ismay WELL knew that) 6. No, the helmsman did NOT misunderstand the order to avoid the berg and turn the ship the wrong way; 7. The TITANIC was NOT sunk by the following: a. A hidden U-Boat; b. Godzilla; c. King Kong; d. the Loch Ness Monster; e. Hulk Hogan; f. Poor, weak steel or design; g. A dude on the grassy knoll. And I know I haven't covered the whole thing, but, in summary, the TITANIC was sunk by ONE thing: AN ICEBERG.
Part of the logic of having so few lifeboats was they thought at the time that a ship sinking would take so long that the lifeboats would primarily be used to ferry the passengers to a rescuing ship. Therefore not requiring a capacity to handle every person on board. Obviously a hard lesson learned.
And yet she carried more than were required by British maritime law. The law was just so far behind the advances being made. They were written for weight classes, not passenger capacity.
That was the thinking of ALL ships around the world of that Time... but also... having enough boats wouldnt have helped, Titanic was only able to launc sucessfuly 18/20 boats, more boats would have gone down with the ship, not to mention the time it would have took to prepare lets say 40 boats, would have delayed the launching of the boats quite possible resulting in more deaths and less boats lauched
@@theoriginalshew at begining of video, around 30 second mark, he says 12th of April. I listened to it on my tv 2x and phone 1x to make sure I heard him correctly.
Boats back then were not designed to need lifeboats for all. The idea was that the lifeboats would ferry passengers to safety rather than have them float around til rescue.
@@Darklazer32 back then it was decided that most of the passengers could go screw themselves so the rich ones up top had plenty of space to walk about. That is why so many died
Ted Cameron That is quite frankly an immature comment. Anyone that was studied Titanic and ocean liners in general know that what +Dark said was correct.
@@thejagotishow I don't find it to be an immature comment considering the evidence of it was mentioned in the video itself. The arrogance of the rich at the time and their opinion that anyone not like themselves, ie poor, were bottom dwelling pond scum not worthy of even looking at never mind making sure there was enough safety devices to ensure ALL the peoples lives. Kind of reminiscient of segregation in america where the blacks had the role of the poor and the whites were the upper class rich folks. What they said may very well be true but what I said is no less accurate. On the other hand having not enough boats due to them being used to ferry to safety rather than hold them for a long time makes no sense when considering these ships were at times thousands of miles out in the ocean. Did they think the ship would show good form and stop sinking long enough to get the lifeboats back for more passengers?
Ted Cameron You’re saying that arrogance of the rich contributed to the deaths of everyone that perished that night when it had nothing to do with it. The British Board of Trade limited no more than 16 boats for a vessel of 10,000 tons. The idea was that since the Atlantic shipping lanes were so busy a ship would be close by to assist. The rescue ship and the stricken ship would both use their boats to ferry the passengers. And Titanic actually carried more boats than it’s legal capacity, it was given 4 additional boats making the number 20. And if you’re talking about 3rd Class passengers being pushed back from the boats it’s not true, more 3rd Class women and children survived then 1st Class men. So it had nothing to do with rich arrogance, just outdated laws that unfortunately took a disaster to change.
One big thing that's missing: The two wing propellers were indeed driven by 4-cylinder triple-expansion piston engines, but the center propeller was driven by a low pressure turbine fed by the exhaust from the other two engines. Thus in forward all three would turn, but in reverse only the wing propellers turned. The rudder was behind this center propeller, thus by throwing the ship into reverse they actually greatly decreased its ability to turn, and hit the iceberg. Just continuing full ahead and either reversing ONE of the piston engines or just continuing on probably would have avoided the collision and saved the ship.
That is correct, going full astern on the port engine, while having the turbine and starboard engines going full ahead would have avoided the iceberg. But, so would have slowing down. And if they had to collide with the iceberg, not turning and going full ahead would damaged the ship, but the ship would have made it to New York, and be able to have repaired. But think about it, if Titanic didn't sink, ships wouldn't be required to carry enough lifeboats for everyone on board, the International Ice Patrol wouldn't have been formed and ice warnings could still be ignored. Titanic sinking did more to change the laws on both sides of the Atlantic when it came to sea travel. It also made sea travel safer for everyone.
The blue ribbon is a symbol of high quality. The association comes from The Blue Riband, a prize awarded for the fastest crossing of the Atlantic Ocean by passenger liners and, prior to that from Cordon Bleu, which referred to the blue ribbon worn by the French knightly Order of the Holy Spirit.
tbh he even said titanic was much smaller than the mordern ships, casually forgetting titanic was built as an ocean liner to cross stormy seas which todays cruises can't
@@thecatalystmedia Nevertheless, many people have the misapprehension that the 'Titanic' was the largest liner in history, but yet again it was dwarfed by the original Queens: Mary & Elizabeth and the Normandie and a minnow compared the QM2, all of which were/are fully fledged ocean liners.
_A hundred years have come and gone and still we know her name_ _When a voyage bound for glory_ _Turned to tragedy and shame_ _It's a night to be remembered_ _For man's own frailty_ _When the mighty ship Titanic sank_ _To the bottom of the sea_
When I was a kid I got to see the Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth and the SS United States docked just across the Hudson River from Weehawken NJ just up 49th from the house I used to live in.
@@livethefuture2492 casual, indifferent, treat it like it's not a big deal "Little Billy was blasé about COVID-19, he didn't wear a mask or quarantine because he didn't think it was dangerous."
I watched this video mostly in order to see if you did the Olympic justice. The HMS Hawke was literally designed to sink other ships with a hit like that. Braving mined waters capable of sinking an armored battlleship, she made 3 attempts to save an RMS battleship, and rescued part of the crew. Her sinking of the U-103 was not just courageous; it was an entirely unique event. It was uncommon for any pressed-service vessel to sink any other enemy vessel, and certainly never a submarine. She was actually given a number of fond nicknames indicating that while having no armor, she was still a veritable tank of the sea.
3:29 The draft is the distance from the waterline to the bottom of the ship. It is used to make sure they don't hit ground in shallow waters. It is not the distance from the waterline to Boat Deck. Excellent video though. Lots of facts were correct and some not very well known ones.
I am aware that geographic has a very well made video on the canal but let’s be honest; Simon talking about something in two videos from two channels is twice as cool as one video!
Neg Ative ‘Sir our last targets on the Normandy coast are too far inland, the guns can’t elevate high enough to hit them!’ -Scrub gunnery officer ‘Flood the port torpedo blisters and elevate the guns to their maximum amount then!’ -Chad battleship captain
@@sarahbryant8768 What do chocolate bars have anything to do with this youtuber who looks like my left nut sack who posts videos full of completely incorrect information that he most likely pulled from out of his ass? Hint: It's not a rhetorical question.
it's been a long year but i but got say, this is the best way and the fastest way to learn more about new things. seriously, I've learned more from this channel than I have in my entire classes
@@adrianalcala9770 It was indeed the beginning of the end when she struck the iceberg at 11:40 p.m. on the 14th of April. I would say the end came for Titanic when she struck the berg, though your point is completely valid, given that she didn't founder until 20 after 2 the next day. Remarkably similar, in fact, to how Abraham Lincoln was struck by an assassin's bullet on April 14, 1865, but did not succumb until the following day. Also, I must point out, the simple past tense of sink is sank, not sunk. Example: "Titanic sank on April 15, 1912." "Sunk" is the past participle, example: "After less than 3 hours the ship had sunk."
When you say maritime I think of Atlantic Canada, ( I'm from pei) I think nautical would be broader or do you say maritime because it happened off the coast of Canada. P.S. I've been to the titanic victims cemetery in Halifax, very emotional place.
@@robertblanchard6196 The term maritime is used internationally, including here in NZ. The origin is described as being mid 16th century: from Latin maritimus, from Latin mare meaning ‘sea'. This is still retained in Portuguese & Spanish, where 'mar' means sea. 'The Maritimes' in Canada is named because of it's coastal position. They are referred to as maritime disasters, rather than nautical. From the way I interpret it, you could say navigating near icebergs at high speed was a nautical disaster(albeit a different kind of meaning of disaster), and that it sank was a maritime disaster. Nautical seems to be more oriented towards the profession and technicalities like navigation, rigging, etc; while maritime seems to encompass basically anything regarding the sea.
I use the sinking of the Titanic as an example in my class to model modern disaster analysis, and I've actually got to take issue with the statement that there was a disregard for life. That's really part of the mythologizing of the disaster. The fact is that everybody involved made a good faith effort to make the ship as safe as possible. The ship was constructed under the supervision of the Board of Trade (which frequently tested the metal used). There was a full deck crew life boat drill on April 10th in Southampton supervised by both White Star and the Board of Trade, and another scheduled for April 14th (it had to be cancelled due to high winds making it too dangerous to lower a life boat). The lifeboat seats exceeded the Board of Trade requirements by over 200 seats, and White Star did not seek an exemption that would have halved their lifeboat requirements. Ice warnings were passed on to the bridge crew, and Captain Smith's instructions were to slow the ship down if visibility was compromised in any way during the night. Everybody involved in safety were being as safety-conscious as they could. The problem was not that they had a disregard for passenger safety. The problem was that the standard operating procedures (such as going full speed into an ice field if visibility is clear) that were safe ten years prior were no longer safe, and because there had been no catastrophic failures, nobody knew this yet. (For a really good source on this, you'd be hard-pressed to do better than On a Sea of Glass.)
@@andyb1653 well clearly their construction was lacking if it broke with just an iceberg. i guess the riveted hulls weren't strong enough compared to a welded hull, especially for such a large ship.
@@livethefuture2492 Indeed, the tech of the era wasn't REALLY up to the task of collision-proofing, welded really is the way to go with a vessel that size. Still, the other ships of the class fared OK, as outlined in the video... The Titanic was ultimately a victim of reckless driving (which is perfectly capable of wrecking a state-of-the-art modern ship too, a la Costa Concordia). The ships were perfectly seaworthy so long as you didn't sail them into things.
Can't believe you got the weight wrong, that's something I would expect from the (cough) "info" graphics show. You're usually on point with facts. The 45,000 ton figure was gross tons, but GT is a unit of volume, not weight - specifically it refers to the enclosed volume of the ship. The actual _weight_ of a ship is its displacement, i.e. the weight of water that it displaces when afloat. A ship's displacement varies depending on its loading, but generally the Olympic-class liners were around 53,100 (metric) tons displacement - and since that's the weight of water displaced, it's the same as the ship's actual weight. Also, the draft is waterline to keel, not waterline to deck.
The "weight" in this context is how much the ship would weigh if you could put it on a large enough scale, without regard to its displacement. Water does not weigh the same as steel, so the weight of water displaced by the ship is not the actual weight of the ship. You could create 2 ships using the exact same amount of steel that would have different displacements due to their hull configuration.
@@flyboy152 A ship's displacement at any given time is always going to be equal to the weight of the ship and all its fittings and contents at that time.
Ever Heard of the Archimedes' principle which states that the upward buoyant force that is exerted on a body immersed in a fluid, whether fully or partially, is equal to the weight of the fluid that the body displaces. Archimedes' principle is a law of physics fundamental to fluid mechanics. It was formulated by Archimedes of Syracuse
The poor Violet Jessop not only survived the Brittanic sinking but survived being pulled into a moving propeller. The boat was smashed but she made it out.
My grandfather applied for a job on the Titanic, I'm glad to say that he didn't get it but worked on other liners. After the War he became a First class cabin steward on several of the leading ships. As an 'earner' he used to go ashore in Southampton with a couple of Waiters white jackets , find those wiling to pay £5 and smuggle them onto the ship for a trip to New York, then smuggle them ashore past immigration. He earned enough to pay for a his bungalow in Southampton in five years!
Simon I have no idea how you do all these videos, but despite the internet critics willing to correct every little detail, I truly appreciate you work! THANK YOU!!!
Engineers: She's almost the fastest ship in the world, and almost unsinkable Captain: Give me 110% power on those brand new boilers, straight into that icefield Engineers:🤦
Actually you should go full speed through an ice field if the Titanic would have taken it full speed head on, it wouldn’t have sunk the ship. Every captain went full speed.
The Mauretania and the Lusitania were significantly faster than the olympic class ships. Which were designed for luxury not speed. And arguably they still would have sunk if going slower, due to a host of other factors including getting the initial distance of the iceberg wrong, the titanic not recieving the message warning of the icefield from the California. And many other environmental factors leading to the iceberg being very difficult to spot.
@@Darklazer32 They also steered the wrong way. IIRC the order to turn was given in tiller orders, but the ship was rudder order, so it turned to port even though Murdoch had ordered a starboard turn. The engines and screws were spun up to All Ahead Full on the port side and All Astern Full on the starboard, so the propellers were fighting the rudder.
As a former veteran of the US Coast Guard I would like (respectfully) to correct your definition of draft. Draft of a vessel is the depth from the waterline to the deepest point on the vessel under the water. Freeboard is the distance from the waterline to the deck. Love your videos on every channel you and your team have. Please keep them coming.
You know, I can't remember if I actually posted a comment asking for this video last week. But I have a gut feeling that I did. So thank you, great video. Only thing I would say is... - The Titanic hit the Iceberg on the night of the 14th of April and went under on the 15th of April. Not the 12th lol. But I mean apart from that, Good job! Great video.
YES! Thank you so much Mr. Whistler, nice to talk about all three, not just the events surrounding the sinking of the RMS Titanic.. Out of interest, a suggestion for a new video? What about Zepplins/Airships. In particular, the Mysteries surrounding R101?
Four things of note: 1. There were 2208 people on board. 1496 perished. 712 survived. 2. Captain Smith never ran all of Titanic's boilers at one time and there was never a race to get to New York. She was already going faster than expected, so rumors began to spread that the ship would arrive early. 3. There were no metal gates separating third class from the rest of the ship. Gates were only used to separate passenger areas from crew areas. Most people simply got lost because they couldn't tell one door from another since they all looked the same and some may have been locked. 4. You can partially blame the RMS Republic sinking for the confidence in lifeboats and sea safety. Lifeboats were only meant to ferry people from the sinking ship to the rescue ship, then return for more. This worked flawlessly with the RMS Republic, where people only died during the collision that caused her sinking. Also, the Titanic was carrying more lifeboats than required. Only 16 were required. She carried 20. Both Alexander Carlisle and Thomas Andrews, the Olympic class designers, fought for more lifeboats, but the Harland and Wolff chairman, William Pirrie, fought against it. Pirrie won, and Carlisle retired soon after.
A few corrections: 1. The correct date when Titanic struck the iceberg is April 14th 1912 2. Though its true she did not carry enough lifeboats for everyone, she was not legally required to do so, you see the law at the time didnt account for 50,000 tons displacement ships, because It was thought ships ships that big could not sink very rapidly, the boats would be used more as ferries from the sinking ship to the rescue one, thus the lifeboats themselves werent designed to last long at sea like the modern ones, in fact Titanic had more lifeboats than mandated by law
Megaprojects suggestion: HMS Victory, Admiral Nelsons triple gun deck ship of the line. There's a great youtube video, where they actually fired all her cannons, and they accidentally shattered windows and set off car alarms.
All of Simon's channels present facts in an interesting way with use of a very articulate Britsh dialog. I can listen all day in astonishment of how in contrast, I speak so badly as a southern American.
To be fair to Titanic, the required number of Lifeboats for the ship of her size at the time was 16. She had 20, Also, the thinking at the time was if the ship should end up sinking there would be enough ships nearby (As it was a highly traveled route) to respond to be able to transport all passengers to other ships. Also, the Titanic had six compartments breached not five. The Britannic was trying to run aground after it hit the mine and is why her props where running as it sank. It's also worth noting that the crew in a panic launched the lifeboats that ended up getting chopped by propellers prematurely without the captains orders.
Thanks Simon. I've been interested in the Titanic for over 40 years and thought I knew most of what there is to know but that's the first time I've heard about Violet Jessop.
As it happens, my 2x great grandfather was one of the many troops to have made the Atlantic crossing on the Olympic during WW1. His was a one way trip though, dying at Passchendaele.
How about Ulm Minster as a topic. It only took a little over 500 years to finish or even Cologne Cathedral which needed OVER 600 years to be finished and possibly used some of the oldest wooden cranes ever by the time it was done.
Wooded cranes were used well before this construction. The Roman's had wooden cranes capable of lifting over 100 tons. The principles cranes use have been known for millenia its incremental improvements in materials and power sources that have led to the cranes we have today
@@duanesamuelson2256 very true facts that I already knew. What I actually made reference to was the cranes left at the top of the cathedral for 400 years, especially the great crane. The Romans and principle cranes you referenced were taken apart when the job was done. Might take a few years, even a couple decades in case of a mine or big project, but never centuries. So again would be nice if Simon could definitively answer if they used the same 400 year old cranes to finish it thus being possibly the oldest wooden cranes ever used on a project.
@@BIGJATPSU no problem the way I read your post is that the cranes were the first wooden cranes used. Kind of a interesting thing...for offloading barges etc in the middle ages they had treadmill cranes (well actually oversized hamster wheels) some animal powered some people powered.
The titanic compared to a modern "Cruise Liner"? there are ocean liners and there are cruise ships - two very different things. A much better comparision would be the Titanic vs the Queen Mary 2
Ugh yes. I'm so sick of people comparing ocean liners to cruise ships. Ocean liners are build a lot stronger with a deeper draft to deal with the harsh conditions of the open ocean. Those cruise-ship monstrosities would capsize and be torn asunder.
@@curious5661 cruise ships are seaworthy they are built for a totally different function...ocean liners were built to haul cargo as well as passengers and with the A to B routes as well as hard schedules (as well as not having satellite weather data) didn't have many options to detour around weather events.
@@curious5661 your business and opinion...obviously not shared by a lot of people or there wouldn't be so many cruise ships with so many companies...they exist because they are profitable ( though not at this time of travel restrictions ). If they weren't providing a service people want then they wouldn't exist. I personally don't care for how they are run ...but I'm not going to deny that they are popular...and they fill a need for a lot of people. For that matter they are the only practical way for most people to see parts of the planet in person, such as the cruises in the bering sea for the glacier cruises '
I like those quick little asides from inside your head. If they're scripted, they are well done. Flashing black and white video certainly accents the tone of the humor/commentary.
The survivors of the Titanic were picked up many hours before Olympic got near by, and were already on their way to New York. It was thought that the additional loading of the survivors into lifeboats again and being brought to board another ship, a virtual replica of the lost Titanic, might have made some the survivors upset. Its not an unreasonable assumption. The captain of the rescue ship actually asked Is may, the chairman of White Star Line, who was on his ship, if he concurred, which he did.
Brilliant! Awesome! Dear I say Titanic job in putting this video together, I absolutely loved it. You guys definitely know how to captivate your audience with just a bloke talking and barely any pictures or stock footage. Can't wait for the next one.
A well done video. However, one thing I wish has been covered was the extensive modifications done to Britannic after Titanic sank. The most obvious visible difference were giant cranes for extra lifeboats along the boat deck, but also present were extensions of the bulkheads up to as high as B deck, as well as an extension of the double bottom up the sides of the ship. The engines even had to be modified to provide more horsepower to maintain speed, with a larger center turbine engine installed.
A month late, but i just want to point out that the picture in the thumbnail is in fact not an olympic class liner, rather it seems to be one of the endless concepts of a Titanic 2.
I love that you've done this video, I am a big fan of both Titanic, and your channel, and it was great to see them together, thank you so much! May I suggest a video on the New York Subway?
Very great. Outside of one minor detail. Underneath the Orlop deck, there was the Tank top and under that was the ships double bottom. Other than that missed detail, I could deem it safe to say that you have done mega justice to the ships.
Most definitely the Big U. Seeing as she's nearing the finish line towards a bright future, she can use all the help she can get to make that final push.
@@baronvonjo1929 RXR Reality and the SSUS Conservancy are basically at the point where they already know exactly what they're gonna do with the ship ("repurposed as a permanently-moored floating structure anchored by a hotel program and a collection of unique hospitality and cultural spaces in the 600,000 square feet available for development"), and are currently looking for the right city to send her. Hopefully NYC since that's her home. Source: www.ssusc.org/news/rxr-realty-moving-forward-with-plans-to-restore-the-ss-united-states. Things are looking up for her, that's for sure. :D
@@danijelujcic8644 Ooops the web page I was on labeled it Titanic well that's the web sorry here check it out www.pinterest.com/pin/485474034824555882/
@@allenfunstuff I understand the confusion. As early as 1912, film reels of Olympic and captain Smith were labeled as Titanic when they were, in fact, filmed on Olympic in 1911. Before the sinking, Titanic was "just another Olympic" and it was Olympic that got most of the attention.
"The contempt that was once held by the mega-rich for those below them". Come now Simon, the mega-rich still hold those below them in (utter) contempt, where have you been hiding.
Has such an affectionate reference has Scotland Road in Liverpool is referred to as Scottie Rd is where Cilla Black first lived, rather is stated "The term "Scotland Road" can also be used as a slang reference to a corridor or passageway which allows crew access to the length of a vehicle"
Hippy Yeah it's very unlikely all cruise lines will go bankrupt because of a temporary issue. The only way cruise lines will go extinct is if something replaces them, like how airliners replaced ocean liners.
Simon this is a request from India the TAJ MAHAL it's just amazing and it will boost the Indian viewership on ur channel and will help them grow there knowledge as I have watched almost all of ur vdos on all ur channels... Soo yeahh DO IT!!!!!
Another great feature by Simon. I know it's not about the Titanic specifically but what is said about it is a bit outdated and slightly under-researched. One of the huge coal bunkers on board had a fire burning in it the whole time it was at sea, they couldn't jettison the coal out because it was needed to ensure it had enough to get to NY (they did not want the publicity of running out of fuel!). This was the reason the order was given to speed up, not pompous prestige. They had to burn through the coal making steam before it burnt itself making nothing. Unfortunately one wall of the coal bunker was made from one of the internal watertight bulkheads designed to save the ship if the hull was breeched, and it was warped and red-hot from the burning fire. When suddenly doused with cold sea water on one side, it cracked, as cast iron plate would. Eye witness accounts record gallons of water (and hissing steam) pouring through the bunker wall which would not have been possible except for the bunker fire. A lot of what you see in the Titanic film of the 90's, is total rubbish, and it perpetuates even today. The iceberg did not breach enough compartments to sink the ship. The failure of the internal bulkhead due to heat stress sunk the ship. And yes, it's also rubbish about lifeboats being only for 1st class. They were intended only to ferry passengers back and forth to a waiting rescue-boat, on the assumption that it would take a lot to sink the Titanic in the first place and even if it did receive fatal damage, the sinking would be a very slow affair (which it was). When the SOS went out, the nearest ship was very close and could easily have attended and rescued the passengers and crew before she sank if their radio operator wasn't asleep. I do wish that when Hollywood portray history they at least get it right. I think maybe it made a better story to vilify the crew (locking passengers behind steel bars at gunpoint - also total rubbish), White Star themselves, and the British Upper Class. But whilst there was certainly negligence on their part, the film isn't fair to them at all.
The Amazing Adventures of Miles I agree with everything you said except the first paragraph. It’s true there was a smoldering coal fire in one of the coal bunkers, which was common at the time with coal burning ships. However the fire did affect the sinking, but not in a bad way. To put out the fire the crew took some coal from the bunker on the opposite side and placed it the bunker with the fire. Because of this Titanic had a 3 degree list to port. When the Titanic later struck the iceberg a day later, the extra coal on the one side acted as a counterweight to the water coming in on the starboard side. This is why Titanic remained on a relatively even keel for most of her sinking and why she never capsized. If Titanic didn’t have the coal fire there would be no counterweight and she would have rolled over an hour after the collision and likely no people would be rescued. So it actually benefited the Titanic. The bulkhead collapsed because it had hundreds of tons of water against it since Frederick Barrett shut the non watertight coal bunker door since the only damage done to Boiler Room 5 was within the coal bunker.
jobe00, I recommended that in response to one of Simon's other videos. 🙂 FYI: Project Jennifer is the designation the media erroneously attributed to the operation. The correct designation is Project Azorian.
I subbed to your channel when I saw your Concorde videos, but since I'm still just coming back to TH-cam with A LOT of catching up to do, I haven't started binging yet. Yet as soon as I saw this video, I clicked fast. Very well done on this video. Just a couple things I wanted to point out though. One, the first and last times you mentioned the date Titanic sunk, you said April 12th. I know you obviously got it right in the middle of the video by saying April 15th, but just wanted to throw that out. Second, the trio were much slower than Mauretania. That ship's cruising speed you got right at 24 knots, but that speed would be the Olympic-class going all out ('cause they were a knot faster than 23; little stuff I know, but I like seeing things like this being as accurate as possible); for them 21 knots was their cruising speed. Third, this is just something I wanted to add: one of the main reasons the ships didn't have enough lifeboats was because the British Board of Trade had an outdated law saying ships over 10,000 tons couldn't carry more than 16 lifeboats. Heavily outdated by 1911. Lastly, not everyone died when the Britannic shredded those lifeboats. Ms. Jessop was in one of them and jumped out at the last second. Still got hit in the head by the blades, but we know she lived. Resilient woman, right there. All the stickling aside, once again, marvelous job on this video, and thanks for making it. You're one of only a few guys on TH-cam so far where when I click on a video, I just have to stay and watch: your lessons are both fascinating and engaging. Before I go, just a quick question. On the thumbnail I see you have Clive Palmer's upcoming Titanic II. For anyone who is in the dark, that project is still going: Deltamarin are currently nearing the end of the design phase and will be looking to contact shipyards later. Source: titanicll.wordpress.com/. What are your thoughts about it, and will you sail on it if you get the chance?
Regarding lifeboats: no ship in that Era carried enough lifeboats for all the passengers on board. And that's because with the new wireless radio, the ship would be able to, in theory, call in the nearest ship very quickly. So the lifeboats were meant to only transport people from the sinking ship to the rescue ship, not take everyone off the ship at the same time.
Titanic actually had even more lifeboats than those required by the British Board of Trade.
If the Californian, who was close to the Titanic, had actually gone to the rescue or made a bit more of an effort to try to figure out what was going on, then the lifeboats on the Titanic would have done their job and a lot less people would have died.
Well that and if I recall right, the BoT's requirements for the numbers were based on size and they were horribly behind the times, with the largest weight class being 10,000 tons, which was 4.5 times less than the Titanic.
That's true, the Titanic did carry _a lot_ more lifeboats than required, but the story of the Californian did bring about another change. The Titanic sent out distress calls, obviously, which the Californian would have been able to receive because she was only 20 km away, unfortunately, the radio operator had already gone to bed. Had she gotten the message, she would have had more than enough time to go over there and rescue people. So after 1912, that rule was changed as well: ships needed to have someone manning the radio at all times.
@@SRFriso94 talk about learning from your mistakes...
Also these theory did work. When another White Star Liner was sinking (The Republic) many ships came to her r sauce and I think only three peopel died from the initial collision that ended up sinking it.
@@rai1879 Mind you, every rule the FAA has is quite literally written in blood.
Cunard made a third ship, The Aquitania, to rival the Olympic class. She served in both world wars and was the last ocean liner to have 4 smoke stacks until her scrapping in 1950. She was one of the oldest ships at the time.
She was a beautiful vessel.
Thanks for mentioning. She seems to have fallen into a crack in history between the Britanic and Queen Mary.
It's odd that the Aquitania is not as well remembered today, considering she was one of the most popular and successful liners of all time. Her service life brought her safely through the Second World War and beyond. She deserves to be better remembered ,and considering her long life story, she would actually make for a better episode on Megaprojects
@@cunard61 my favorite 4 stacker
Sometimes referred to as "The Ship Beautiful (sic)".
The 'draft' is the distance from keel to waterline. 'Freeboard' is the distance from the waterline to the deck.
Roger Banks Now I know, thank you.
Came here to say this lol
thought that sounded strange, draft sounds far more watery than not.
@@tylermech66 In this period op drought I'd rather have a nice cool draught. Alas at the moment enjoying the 'draft' of a fan to keep myself cool ;).
C B Air Draft
While it does not directly relate to the Olympic-class, some major kudos have to be given to the designers of the Carpathia, first ship on-scene to Titanic's sinking. A ship designed for 14 knots, all steam pressure directed to the engines including from cabin heating and hot water, achieved 17.5 knots. That might not seem like much, but that is 25% over her rated speed. To make it even more incredible, due to how steam boiler engines work that comes out to nearly twice the power and pressure the system was built for.
Nag on Titanic's design flaws all you want, but those who came to her aid would have made Montgomery Scott proud with how they pushed their ships' limits.
somebody knows their naval history ... unlike the script writers in this video
@@HenryLeslieGraham I am a collection of random facts.
Not to mention they did this while navigating the ice field that had just claimed a much larger ship...in the pitch black.
The crew had some serious balls
It could be argued that the crew on the Titanic did everything wrong- they were complacent, had not performed a lifeboat drill, and the chain of communication quickly broke down- while the captain and crew of the Carpathia did everything right. They were clearheaded in setting their priorities and quickly responding to an unprecedented emergency.
@@juliadagnall5816 Ditto for the Olympic. Where her sisters suffered a tragic fate, the Olympic managed to become a bona fide hero ship!
The Titanic’s central propeller wasn’t powered by the reciprocating piston engines, the central propeller was powered by a steam/gas turbine. The exhausted steam from the reciprocating engines, “now low pressure steam” was used to drive the steam/gas turbine, in turn, driving the central propeller. They utilised as much of the steam pressure as possible before condensing to reuse.
The reciprocating engines which powered the 2 outer propellers had high pressure and intermediate pressure pistons, stage 1&2, the exhaust steam from the intermediate pistons then fed the steam/gas turbine, now stage 3 at low pressure.
Also should be mentioned that the image of a 4 blade center prop is NOT of the Titanic, and evidence points to the Titanic only having 3 blade propellers.
The piston engines were actually 4 cylinders in 3 stages, and that fed into the turbine as a 4th stage.
tippyc2 I stand corrected 👍🏻. Thanks
ashley a That’s something I’ve just learned after you pointed out 👍🏻, am I correct in saying they trialled a 3 blade central propeller on the titanic for performance purposes ?
The turbine was purely a ultra low pressure steam turbine. It was not a gas turbine
I was fascinated by the titanic as a child, even did a history mural during a science fair as something on the side for people to learn about. I was more fascinated by the history of the titanic than anything to do with it's science, so it really was an out of place thing.
Today, I'm happy to once again indulge my old passion with one of my favourite TH-cam channels, and I thank you for making this video sir.
Video Suggestion: the Strategic Defense Initiative, aka the “Star Wars” project.
And it’s current instantiation in the Ground Based Midcourse, THAAD, and Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense Systems.
Chris Stokes
And PAC-3 which uses the ERINT missile from SDI
So...all of this can be made, but no Jaegers? We need the Jaegers, like yesterday.
Good suggestion.
KPX 1138
SDI, what is it you need to see, it was fake........
The Olympic was a truly badass ship, It really should have been saved, instead of scrapped.
She truly was "Old Reliable".
Destroying the u boat with the entire hull
I wish it had been saved too. Sadly preservation was not much of a thing yet, for anything.
Zach G To what end? And it was the Depression. Who is going to pay for its upkeep?
Would have been nice to have the Olympic can you just think if the money it would make with tourists with the way people feel on Titanic
4:53 You've compared the wrong speeds. 24 knots was only a service speed of Lusitania and Mauretania. Their top speeds were 26 and 28 knots. As you've correctly mentioned the top speed of the Olympics was 23 knots, but their service speed was only 21.
Yeah top speeds and service speeds are different.
guys remember, this is a content farm of sorts. and simon doesnt read the comments. he is just a paid actor/narrator. he probably doesnt write the scripts, nor is he likely to fact check them.
Mauretania's top speed was 26.4 knots, her service speed was 23 knots. Olympic was 21 knots service speed however her top speed was significantly improved over the years. Once she was converted to oil fired boilers and got a post war overhaul she reached 24.2 knots. In 1933 her service speed was set to 23 knots matching the Mauretania in service speed and and coming within 2 knots of her top speed. Meanwhile she never suffered of any notable vibrations even at top speed and was notoriously steady, unlike the Mauretania that enjoyed a good roll and heavy pitch downwards on a big wave due to her low displacement in the bow. Only the Queen Mary and Normandie much later would come to 28 knots and surpass it (quite significantly).
By the time Olympic would have arrived on the scene all of the survivors had been picked up by the Carpathia. There was no one left a live in the water. The Olympic was ordered away by J Bruce Ismay and the captain of the Carpathia because it was thought that the survivors on the Carpathia would be too traumatized by the sight of an exact replica of the Titanic.
It is impressive to think of all of the Megaprojects that were designed and built WITHOUT computer drafting.
this mega-project did use a computer...
he wore a big wig, swore, and drank occasionally of Talisker Whiskey
I'm a retired mechanical engineer. I worked on the environmental control system (ECS) of the Space Shuttle using a drafting table and a calculator.
You ever use a slide rule?, they let you raise 1.234 to the power of 5.678. People were not stupid back then.
@@spaceman081447 Back when I look a class in arch9techtural drafting in 1973, it was a draughting battle, a T-sqare and ruler. No computer.
Just a few facts, in case the video didn't cover them:
1. No, Jack and Rose were NOT aboard the TITANIC;
2. No, the OLYMPIC and TITANIC were NOT switched in an insurance fraud;
3. No, there was NOT a plot by the Federal Reserve Bank to kill off their opponents by sinking them in mid-ocean;
4. No the TITANIC was NOT sunk because of a "coal bunker fire" (there WAS a smoldering coal situation, but it had NO effect on the sinking);
5. They were NOT trying to set a "Speed Record (it would have been IMPOSSIBLE, and both Captain Smith and Ismay WELL knew that)
6. No, the helmsman did NOT misunderstand the order to avoid the berg and turn the ship the wrong way;
7. The TITANIC was NOT sunk by the following:
a. A hidden U-Boat;
b. Godzilla;
c. King Kong;
d. the Loch Ness Monster;
e. Hulk Hogan;
f. Poor, weak steel or design;
g. A dude on the grassy knoll.
And I know I haven't covered the whole thing, but, in summary, the TITANIC was sunk by ONE thing:
AN ICEBERG.
Part of the logic of having so few lifeboats was they thought at the time that a ship sinking would take so long that the lifeboats would primarily be used to ferry the passengers to a rescuing ship. Therefore not requiring a capacity to handle every person on board. Obviously a hard lesson learned.
Correct
And yet she carried more than were required by British maritime law. The law was just so far behind the advances being made. They were written for weight classes, not passenger capacity.
That was the thinking of ALL ships around the world of that Time... but also... having enough boats wouldnt have helped, Titanic was only able to launc sucessfuly 18/20 boats, more boats would have gone down with the ship, not to mention the time it would have took to prepare lets say 40 boats, would have delayed the launching of the boats quite possible resulting in more deaths and less boats lauched
Titanic struck the iceberg on April 14th not April 12th.
13:06 he says exactly this so I'm not sure what you mean
@@theoriginalshew at begining of video, around 30 second mark, he says 12th of April. I listened to it on my tv 2x and phone 1x to make sure I heard him correctly.
They were first warned of icebergs on the 12th by radio by the SS La Touraine. Perhaps he got it mixed? Idk
that caught my ear too. i only knew the date because it's around my birthday (the month/day, not the year :-) )
@@theoriginalshew He gives the wrong date again near the conclusion of the video.
"We have enough lifeboats for First Class passengers, and enough Third Class Passengers for the Second Class Passengers to use as flotation devices"
Boats back then were not designed to need lifeboats for all. The idea was that the lifeboats would ferry passengers to safety rather than have them float around til rescue.
@@Darklazer32 back then it was decided that most of the passengers could go screw themselves so the rich ones up top had plenty of space to walk about. That is why so many died
Ted Cameron That is quite frankly an immature comment. Anyone that was studied Titanic and ocean liners in general know that what +Dark said was correct.
@@thejagotishow I don't find it to be an immature comment considering the evidence of it was mentioned in the video itself. The arrogance of the rich at the time and their opinion that anyone not like themselves, ie poor, were bottom dwelling pond scum not worthy of even looking at never mind making sure there was enough safety devices to ensure ALL the peoples lives. Kind of reminiscient of segregation in america where the blacks had the role of the poor and the whites were the upper class rich folks. What they said may very well be true but what I said is no less accurate. On the other hand having not enough boats due to them being used to ferry to safety rather than hold them for a long time makes no sense when considering these ships were at times thousands of miles out in the ocean. Did they think the ship would show good form and stop sinking long enough to get the lifeboats back for more passengers?
Ted Cameron You’re saying that arrogance of the rich contributed to the deaths of everyone that perished that night when it had nothing to do with it. The British Board of Trade limited no more than 16 boats for a vessel of 10,000 tons. The idea was that since the Atlantic shipping lanes were so busy a ship would be close by to assist. The rescue ship and the stricken ship would both use their boats to ferry the passengers. And Titanic actually carried more boats than it’s legal capacity, it was given 4 additional boats making the number 20. And if you’re talking about 3rd Class passengers being pushed back from the boats it’s not true, more 3rd Class women and children survived then 1st Class men. So it had nothing to do with rich arrogance, just outdated laws that unfortunately took a disaster to change.
One big thing that's missing: The two wing propellers were indeed driven by 4-cylinder triple-expansion piston engines, but the center propeller was driven by a low pressure turbine fed by the exhaust from the other two engines. Thus in forward all three would turn, but in reverse only the wing propellers turned. The rudder was behind this center propeller, thus by throwing the ship into reverse they actually greatly decreased its ability to turn, and hit the iceberg. Just continuing full ahead and either reversing ONE of the piston engines or just continuing on probably would have avoided the collision and saved the ship.
That is correct, going full astern on the port engine, while having the turbine and starboard engines going full ahead would have avoided the iceberg. But, so would have slowing down. And if they had to collide with the iceberg, not turning and going full ahead would damaged the ship, but the ship would have made it to New York, and be able to have repaired. But think about it, if Titanic didn't sink, ships wouldn't be required to carry enough lifeboats for everyone on board, the International Ice Patrol wouldn't have been formed and ice warnings could still be ignored. Titanic sinking did more to change the laws on both sides of the Atlantic when it came to sea travel. It also made sea travel safer for everyone.
Video suggestion: HMS Dreadnought.
Yes! Changed warfare forever
Amazing!
He should do all of them under the name dreadnought. Like from the galleons up to the actual class and such to the subs
Breh. Do it.
Jutland
It was called the “Blue Riband” not the Blue Ribbon. I’m surprised Simon, you are usually on point!
I was looking for exactly this comment so I didn't have to type it myself. 👍 This is such an amateur's mistake and so beneath Simon.
The blue ribbon is a symbol of high quality. The association comes from The Blue Riband, a prize awarded for the fastest crossing of the Atlantic Ocean by passenger liners and, prior to that from Cordon Bleu, which referred to the blue ribbon worn by the French knightly Order of the Holy Spirit.
tbh he even said titanic was much smaller than the mordern ships, casually forgetting titanic was built as an ocean liner to cross stormy seas which todays cruises can't
@@thecatalystmedia Nevertheless, many people have the misapprehension that the 'Titanic' was the largest liner in history, but yet again it was dwarfed by the original Queens: Mary & Elizabeth and the Normandie and a minnow compared the QM2, all of which were/are fully fledged ocean liners.
To be honest it took me a while to realise it was spelt riband not ribbon lol
_A hundred years have come and gone and still we know her name_
_When a voyage bound for glory_
_Turned to tragedy and shame_
_It's a night to be remembered_
_For man's own frailty_
_When the mighty ship Titanic sank_
_To the bottom of the sea_
When I was a kid I got to see the Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth and the SS United States docked just across the Hudson River from Weehawken NJ just up 49th from the house I used to live in.
Wow, I envy you. 😲😊👍
You can be blasé about a lot of megaprojects Simon, but not about the Olympic Class ocean liners...
I see what you did there...
@@ppanonymous1700 My comment was over a hundred characters longer than the original quote, and far more hilarious.
What is "blasé"?
(And yes I am aware of the reference)
@@livethefuture2492 casual, indifferent, treat it like it's not a big deal
"Little Billy was blasé about COVID-19, he didn't wear a mask or quarantine because he didn't think it was dangerous."
Special EDy
Ah, that explains it!
I watched this video mostly in order to see if you did the Olympic justice. The HMS Hawke was literally designed to sink other ships with a hit like that. Braving mined waters capable of sinking an armored battlleship, she made 3 attempts to save an RMS battleship, and rescued part of the crew. Her sinking of the U-103 was not just courageous; it was an entirely unique event. It was uncommon for any pressed-service vessel to sink any other enemy vessel, and certainly never a submarine. She was actually given a number of fond nicknames indicating that while having no armor, she was still a veritable tank of the sea.
3:29 The draft is the distance from the waterline to the bottom of the ship. It is used to make sure they don't hit ground in shallow waters. It is not the distance from the waterline to Boat Deck.
Excellent video though. Lots of facts were correct and some not very well known ones.
Extra fun fact: The distance from the waterline to the main deck is known as 'freeboard'.
Thank God I've found you. You're the sunshine of my life Simon.
Suggestions: Panama Canal and as another suggested: HMS Dreadnought
Panama Canal has a Geographics, it's really good
the Simon empire leaves no topic untouched!
check out geographics for Panama canal.
Second on HMS Dreadnought as well as the Texas (extremely briefly the most destructive weapon on the planet)
I am aware that geographic has a very well made video on the canal but let’s be honest; Simon talking about something in two videos from two channels is twice as cool as one video!
Neg Ative ‘Sir our last targets on the Normandy coast are too far inland, the guns can’t elevate high enough to hit them!’ -Scrub gunnery officer
‘Flood the port torpedo blisters and elevate the guns to their maximum amount then!’ -Chad battleship captain
I alway miss the fact that the Titanic, on her ill fated maiden voyage, also called the ports of Cherbourg and Queenstown (now Cobh in Ireland).
I'd have jumped off at Queenstown and caught the Titanic on her return trip to avoid the sinking.
Fun Fact: Queenstown was droped from the scedule after WW1.
One correction: it was called the Blue Riband.
I always like those chocolate wafer bars.
You can't fix stupid.
which is a yummy chocolate bar over here!!
@@sarahbryant8768 What do chocolate bars have anything to do with this youtuber who looks like my left nut sack who posts videos full of completely incorrect information that he most likely pulled from out of his ass?
Hint: It's not a rhetorical question.
@@sarahbryant8768 Named after the Ocean liner trophy!
1:33 it's an ocean liner, not a cruise ship! The closest thing to that is the Queen Mary 2
@Eternity Perplexed actually when QM2 was built that was her orginal purpose. It's just changed since her launch.
Yep. Ocean liners and cruise ships are two entirely different species of ship.
Even compared to QM2 the Olympic class liners were tiny.
Hey Simon, great video! Just one thing - it's the Blue Riband (not Ribbon) and was the accolade for the fastest Westbound Transatlantic Crossing.
it's been a long year but i but got say, this is the best way and the fastest way to learn more about new things. seriously, I've learned more from this channel than I have in my entire classes
Now that you made the comparison, you gotta do the “oasis” class ships by Royal Caribbean
35 seconds in and you've already made a critical error. "The end came" not on the 12th of April, but the 14th. Any Titanic enthusiast knows that.
The beginning of the end was the 14th, the end was on the 15th since it sunk at 2:20am.
@@adrianalcala9770 It was indeed the beginning of the end when she struck the iceberg at 11:40 p.m. on the 14th of April. I would say the end came for Titanic when she struck the berg, though your point is completely valid, given that she didn't founder until 20 after 2 the next day. Remarkably similar, in fact, to how Abraham Lincoln was struck by an assassin's bullet on April 14, 1865, but did not succumb until the following day. Also, I must point out, the simple past tense of sink is sank, not sunk. Example: "Titanic sank on April 15, 1912." "Sunk" is the past participle, example: "After less than 3 hours the ship had sunk."
@@jordancollier1991 and I thought I was pedantic.
@@adrianalcala9770 I definitely am when it comes to RMS Titanic. With only the purest of intentions, I assure you
@@jordancollier1991 fair enough
Titanic was a Maritime disaster, not a Naval disaster.
Or nautical
Grover hm. Nautical works, but I think maritime is more applicable. Def better than naval tho lol
When you say maritime I think of Atlantic Canada, ( I'm from pei) I think nautical would be broader or do you say maritime because it happened off the coast of Canada. P.S. I've been to the titanic victims cemetery in Halifax, very emotional place.
@@robertblanchard6196 The term maritime is used internationally, including here in NZ.
The origin is described as being mid 16th century: from Latin maritimus, from Latin mare meaning ‘sea'.
This is still retained in Portuguese & Spanish, where 'mar' means sea.
'The Maritimes' in Canada is named because of it's coastal position.
They are referred to as maritime disasters, rather than nautical. From the way I interpret it, you could say navigating near icebergs at high speed was a nautical disaster(albeit a different kind of meaning of disaster), and that it sank was a maritime disaster.
Nautical seems to be more oriented towards the profession and technicalities like navigation, rigging, etc; while maritime seems to encompass basically anything regarding the sea.
Naval is for the navy. He could’ve used Nautical or Maritime instead.
I use the sinking of the Titanic as an example in my class to model modern disaster analysis, and I've actually got to take issue with the statement that there was a disregard for life. That's really part of the mythologizing of the disaster.
The fact is that everybody involved made a good faith effort to make the ship as safe as possible. The ship was constructed under the supervision of the Board of Trade (which frequently tested the metal used). There was a full deck crew life boat drill on April 10th in Southampton supervised by both White Star and the Board of Trade, and another scheduled for April 14th (it had to be cancelled due to high winds making it too dangerous to lower a life boat). The lifeboat seats exceeded the Board of Trade requirements by over 200 seats, and White Star did not seek an exemption that would have halved their lifeboat requirements. Ice warnings were passed on to the bridge crew, and Captain Smith's instructions were to slow the ship down if visibility was compromised in any way during the night.
Everybody involved in safety were being as safety-conscious as they could. The problem was not that they had a disregard for passenger safety. The problem was that the standard operating procedures (such as going full speed into an ice field if visibility is clear) that were safe ten years prior were no longer safe, and because there had been no catastrophic failures, nobody knew this yet.
(For a really good source on this, you'd be hard-pressed to do better than On a Sea of Glass.)
Simon do the olympic class liners!
Simon: The dude abides.
108 years later and they're still some of the most beautiful steamships ever built.
@@andyb1653 well clearly their construction was lacking if it broke with just an iceberg.
i guess the riveted hulls weren't strong enough compared to a welded hull, especially for such a large ship.
@@livethefuture2492 Indeed, the tech of the era wasn't REALLY up to the task of collision-proofing, welded really is the way to go with a vessel that size. Still, the other ships of the class fared OK, as outlined in the video... The Titanic was ultimately a victim of reckless driving (which is perfectly capable of wrecking a state-of-the-art modern ship too, a la Costa Concordia). The ships were perfectly seaworthy so long as you didn't sail them into things.
Can't believe you got the weight wrong, that's something I would expect from the (cough) "info" graphics show. You're usually on point with facts. The 45,000 ton figure was gross tons, but GT is a unit of volume, not weight - specifically it refers to the enclosed volume of the ship. The actual _weight_ of a ship is its displacement, i.e. the weight of water that it displaces when afloat. A ship's displacement varies depending on its loading, but generally the Olympic-class liners were around 53,100 (metric) tons displacement - and since that's the weight of water displaced, it's the same as the ship's actual weight. Also, the draft is waterline to keel, not waterline to deck.
The "weight" in this context is how much the ship would weigh if you could put it on a large enough scale, without regard to its displacement. Water does not weigh the same as steel, so the weight of water displaced by the ship is not the actual weight of the ship. You could create 2 ships using the exact same amount of steel that would have different displacements due to their hull configuration.
@@flyboy152 A ship's displacement at any given time is always going to be equal to the weight of the ship and all its fittings and contents at that time.
Well no one here today , was back there when they where getting built so no one really knows and over time things change,
Ever Heard of the Archimedes' principle which states that the upward buoyant force that is exerted on a body immersed in a fluid, whether fully or partially, is equal to the weight of the fluid that the body displaces. Archimedes' principle is a law of physics fundamental to fluid mechanics. It was formulated by Archimedes of Syracuse
The poor Violet Jessop not only survived the Brittanic sinking but survived being pulled into a moving propeller. The boat was smashed but she made it out.
My grandfather applied for a job on the Titanic, I'm glad to say that he didn't get it but worked on other liners. After the War he became a First class cabin steward on several of the leading ships. As an 'earner' he used to go ashore in Southampton with a couple of Waiters white jackets , find those wiling to pay £5 and smuggle them onto the ship for a trip to New York, then smuggle them ashore past immigration. He earned enough to pay for a his bungalow in Southampton in five years!
Did you know that the Titanic was built so well that the swimming pool still has water in it?
That Never Get's Old 😂
That's awful lol
And fish too, I believe.
@@SamlSchulze1104 But Titanic II is being build in China by CSC Jinling Shipyard ;)
Too soon...
Simon I have no idea how you do all these videos, but despite the internet critics willing to correct every little detail, I truly appreciate you work! THANK YOU!!!
Engineers:
She's almost the fastest ship in the world, and almost unsinkable
Captain:
Give me 110% power on those brand new boilers, straight into that icefield
Engineers:🤦
Actually you should go full speed through an ice field if the Titanic would have taken it full speed head on, it wouldn’t have sunk the ship. Every captain went full speed.
The Mauretania and the Lusitania were significantly faster than the olympic class ships. Which were designed for luxury not speed.
And arguably they still would have sunk if going slower, due to a host of other factors including getting the initial distance of the iceberg wrong, the titanic not recieving the message warning of the icefield from the California. And many other environmental factors leading to the iceberg being very difficult to spot.
@@Darklazer32 They also steered the wrong way. IIRC the order to turn was given in tiller orders, but the ship was rudder order, so it turned to port even though Murdoch had ordered a starboard turn. The engines and screws were spun up to All Ahead Full on the port side and All Astern Full on the starboard, so the propellers were fighting the rudder.
Special EDy simply wrong.
AT-TE Greatest wrong, would have sunk on direct hit full steam
As a former veteran of the US Coast Guard I would like (respectfully) to correct your definition of draft. Draft of a vessel is the depth from the waterline to the deepest point on the vessel under the water. Freeboard is the distance from the waterline to the deck. Love your videos on every channel you and your team have. Please keep them coming.
You know, I can't remember if I actually posted a comment asking for this video last week. But I have a gut feeling that I did. So thank you, great video. Only thing I would say is...
- The Titanic hit the Iceberg on the night of the 14th of April and went under on the 15th of April. Not the 12th lol.
But I mean apart from that, Good job! Great video.
YES! Thank you so much Mr. Whistler, nice to talk about all three, not just the events surrounding the sinking of the RMS Titanic.. Out of interest, a suggestion for a new video? What about Zepplins/Airships. In particular, the Mysteries surrounding R101?
No one gonna mention that the thumbnail is that Clive Palmer Titanic 2 concept.
Ya know, the thing that will never happen.
It's being built though
@@prich0382 no its not
Oh it will happen.
@@blueofthelightanddark6273 Never gonna happen.
@@prich0382 One thing that's being built is "Romandisea" Titanic, an exact replica that will never sail.
Four things of note:
1. There were 2208 people on board. 1496 perished. 712 survived.
2. Captain Smith never ran all of Titanic's boilers at one time and there was never a race to get to New York. She was already going faster than expected, so rumors began to spread that the ship would arrive early.
3. There were no metal gates separating third class from the rest of the ship. Gates were only used to separate passenger areas from crew areas. Most people simply got lost because they couldn't tell one door from another since they all looked the same and some may have been locked.
4. You can partially blame the RMS Republic sinking for the confidence in lifeboats and sea safety. Lifeboats were only meant to ferry people from the sinking ship to the rescue ship, then return for more. This worked flawlessly with the RMS Republic, where people only died during the collision that caused her sinking. Also, the Titanic was carrying more lifeboats than required. Only 16 were required. She carried 20. Both Alexander Carlisle and Thomas Andrews, the Olympic class designers, fought for more lifeboats, but the Harland and Wolff chairman, William Pirrie, fought against it. Pirrie won, and Carlisle retired soon after.
A few corrections:
1. The correct date when Titanic struck the iceberg is April 14th 1912
2. Though its true she did not carry enough lifeboats for everyone, she was not legally required to do so, you see the law at the time didnt account for 50,000 tons displacement ships, because It was thought ships ships that big could not sink very rapidly, the boats would be used more as ferries from the sinking ship to the rescue one, thus the lifeboats themselves werent designed to last long at sea like the modern ones, in fact Titanic had more lifeboats than mandated by law
Yes simon, we've waited so long 🙂 thank you for doing the whole class!!!
Megaprojects suggestion: HMS Victory, Admiral Nelsons triple gun deck ship of the line. There's a great youtube video, where they actually fired all her cannons, and they accidentally shattered windows and set off car alarms.
Link?!!!
@@JLHunter61 Just type in youtube HMS Victory broadside, and the video is at the top
Simon, Excellent channel. I binge watched for 3 days. Good job Sir.
Isn't it "Blue Riband"? "Facts are stubborn things." - John Adams
thanks now i want chocolate
You are right.
All of Simon's channels present facts in an interesting way with use of a very articulate Britsh dialog. I can listen all day in astonishment of how in contrast, I speak so badly as a southern American.
To be fair to Titanic, the required number of Lifeboats for the ship of her size at the time was 16. She had 20, Also, the thinking at the time was if the ship should end up sinking there would be enough ships nearby (As it was a highly traveled route) to respond to be able to transport all passengers to other ships. Also, the Titanic had six compartments breached not five. The Britannic was trying to run aground after it hit the mine and is why her props where running as it sank. It's also worth noting that the crew in a panic launched the lifeboats that ended up getting chopped by propellers prematurely without the captains orders.
Excellent as always, Simon. Cheers!
A ‘Call of Cthulhu’ game set on the Titanic would be interesting.
Thanks Simon. I've been interested in the Titanic for over 40 years and thought I knew most of what there is to know but that's the first time I've heard about Violet Jessop.
I'm surprised that I haven't seen more comments calling out the fact that they used the Titanic II as the thumbnail image.
As it happens, my 2x great grandfather was one of the many troops to have made the Atlantic crossing on the Olympic during WW1. His was a one way trip though, dying at Passchendaele.
How about Ulm Minster as a topic. It only took a little over 500 years to finish or even Cologne Cathedral which needed OVER 600 years to be finished and possibly used some of the oldest wooden cranes ever by the time it was done.
that would a good one
Wooded cranes were used well before this construction. The Roman's had wooden cranes capable of lifting over 100 tons.
The principles cranes use have been known for millenia its incremental improvements in materials and power sources that have led to the cranes we have today
@@duanesamuelson2256 very true facts that I already knew. What I actually made reference to was the cranes left at the top of the cathedral for 400 years, especially the great crane. The Romans and principle cranes you referenced were taken apart when the job was done. Might take a few years, even a couple decades in case of a mine or big project, but never centuries. So again would be nice if Simon could definitively answer if they used the same 400 year old cranes to finish it thus being possibly the oldest wooden cranes ever used on a project.
@@BIGJATPSU no problem the way I read your post is that the cranes were the first wooden cranes used.
Kind of a interesting thing...for offloading barges etc in the middle ages they had treadmill cranes (well actually oversized hamster wheels) some animal powered some people powered.
@@duanesamuelson2256 indeed, amazing what people can think up just looking at a simple circle then scaling it up.
Loved it! Thanks. Please do keep up your wonderful work and Congratulations.
The Hagia Sophia would be an interesting topic for a video.
Simon is a brilliant host and the writer and editor are fantastic. Love this channel.
The titanic compared to a modern "Cruise Liner"? there are ocean liners and there are cruise ships - two very different things. A much better comparision would be the Titanic vs the Queen Mary 2
Ugh yes. I'm so sick of people comparing ocean liners to cruise ships. Ocean liners are build a lot stronger with a deeper draft to deal with the harsh conditions of the open ocean. Those cruise-ship monstrosities would capsize and be torn asunder.
No not titanic again, make it the olympic ore the new amsterdam, there are so manny
@@curious5661 cruise ships are seaworthy they are built for a totally different function...ocean liners were built to haul cargo as well as passengers and with the A to B routes as well as hard schedules (as well as not having satellite weather data) didn't have many options to detour around weather events.
@@duanesamuelson2256 As far as I'm concerned cruise-ships have no function.
@@curious5661 your business and opinion...obviously not shared by a lot of people or there wouldn't be so many cruise ships with so many companies...they exist because they are profitable ( though not at this time of travel restrictions ). If they weren't providing a service people want then they wouldn't exist.
I personally don't care for how they are run ...but I'm not going to deny that they are popular...and they fill a need for a lot of people.
For that matter they are the only practical way for most people to see parts of the planet in person, such as the cruises in the bering sea for the glacier cruises '
I like those quick little asides from inside your head. If they're scripted, they are well done. Flashing black and white video certainly accents the tone of the humor/commentary.
The survivors of the Titanic were picked up many hours before Olympic got near by, and were already on their way to New York. It was thought that the additional loading of the survivors into lifeboats again and being brought to board another ship, a virtual replica of the lost Titanic, might have made some the survivors upset. Its not an unreasonable assumption. The captain of the rescue ship actually asked Is may, the chairman of White Star Line, who was on his ship, if he concurred, which he did.
Brilliant! Awesome! Dear I say Titanic job in putting this video together, I absolutely loved it. You guys definitely know how to captivate your audience with just a bloke talking and barely any pictures or stock footage. Can't wait for the next one.
Do the Great Eastern. It was a bigger mega project for the time she was built in.
As in "The biggest floating billboard ever"
“unless you count the now floating BILLBOARD, Great Eastern.”
-Tom Lynskey 2019
She was epic. And Brunel ROCKED!
wonderful timing. I just returned from weekend in Belfast........
Make a project idea
The Big Boy Steam Locomotive,
The worlds largest steam train!
I would like to see that
A well done video. However, one thing I wish has been covered was the extensive modifications done to Britannic after Titanic sank. The most obvious visible difference were giant cranes for extra lifeboats along the boat deck, but also present were extensions of the bulkheads up to as high as B deck, as well as an extension of the double bottom up the sides of the ship. The engines even had to be modified to provide more horsepower to maintain speed, with a larger center turbine engine installed.
A month late, but i just want to point out that the picture in the thumbnail is in fact not an olympic class liner, rather it seems to be one of the endless concepts of a Titanic 2.
Apparently it was a concept that was never made
I love that you've done this video, I am a big fan of both Titanic, and your channel, and it was great to see them together, thank you so much!
May I suggest a video on the New York Subway?
Simon’s beard is so magnificent, they should name an ocean liner after it.
Very great. Outside of one minor detail. Underneath the Orlop deck, there was the Tank top and under that was the ships double bottom. Other than that missed detail, I could deem it safe to say that you have done mega justice to the ships.
French Ocean liner Normandie or the SS United States would make great megaproject ideas.
YES. ALSO Great Eastern because of the size she was compared to everything else at the time.
Most definitely the Big U. Seeing as she's nearing the finish line towards a bright future, she can use all the help she can get to make that final push.
@@Kaidhicksii Did something finally happen?
SS Normandie, oui!
@@baronvonjo1929 RXR Reality and the SSUS Conservancy are basically at the point where they already know exactly what they're gonna do with the ship ("repurposed as a permanently-moored floating structure anchored by a hotel program and a collection of unique hospitality and cultural spaces in the 600,000 square feet available for development"), and are currently looking for the right city to send her. Hopefully NYC since that's her home. Source: www.ssusc.org/news/rxr-realty-moving-forward-with-plans-to-restore-the-ss-united-states. Things are looking up for her, that's for sure. :D
Fantastic! My boy will LOVE this video!!!
I am surprised that Simon finally watched a movie.
Well done Simon. Very enjoyable video.
Union Pacific Big Boys: The Biggest steam locomotives ever built.
The Baldwin Yellowstone class was the heaviest, 524 short tons vs 504 short tons (a short ton is 2000lb vs the imperial ton which is 2240lb).
984francis Yeah, but the Big Boys are more well known.
Got to see one on its way to restoration in Victorville CA, I can't remember the number... It was grand to see one in person.
John Stroud That one you are talking about happens to be #4014, which of the 8 remaining Big Boys in existence, it’s the only one that is operational.
YES. Ships are fun and absolutely fascinating. But trains are where it started for me. I love those iron horses. :D
After this video I'd love to see one on just the titanic, the specifics of that ship and the theories behind its sinking.
The center screw on the Titanic was run by a steam turbine not the Piston engines
and it most likely had three blades
@@danijelujcic8644No it had 4 blades if you look at pictures of the ship under construction in dry dock.
@@allenfunstuff AFAIK those photos are all Olympic, the Titanic Honor & Glory channel seems to have great sources on that
@@danijelujcic8644 Ooops the web page I was on labeled it Titanic well that's the web sorry here check it out www.pinterest.com/pin/485474034824555882/
@@allenfunstuff I understand the confusion. As early as 1912, film reels of Olympic and captain Smith were labeled as Titanic when they were, in fact, filmed on Olympic in 1911. Before the sinking, Titanic was "just another Olympic" and it was Olympic that got most of the attention.
Thanks Simon! Love this channel!
Could there be a Megaprojects video on the Death Star? Just wondering...
The Draft (draught) is the vertical distance from the waterline to the keel. The Freeboard is the distance from the waterline to deck.
There used to be a restaurant in Belfast called Thaitanic
lol , there is one in Edinburgh called thailander
Like you say, "used to be" ?
Sounds Too Heavy a name, not to go under...
Ill fated from the get-go, or somehow still "afloat" ?
@@JD-fk4qq 🤣🤣 I don't know what happened it just closed down. I'd already moved out of Belfast by then
Well done! I highly recommend the B-36 'Peacemaker' bomber program
"The contempt that was once held by the mega-rich for those below them". Come now Simon, the mega-rich still hold those below them in (utter) contempt, where have you been hiding.
Was waiting for this, thanks!!
Also thanks for three times a week. It’s a great channel.
Olympic is my favorite ❤️❤️❤️
I enjoyed that quite a bit Simon,
Thanks.
You are as much a troll as this video.
How about a megaprojects about the Tennessee Valley Authority and the numerous dams and power stations built to modernize this part of the US?
Has such an affectionate reference has Scotland Road in Liverpool is referred to as Scottie Rd is where Cilla Black first lived, rather is stated "The term "Scotland Road" can also be used as a slang reference to a corridor or passageway which allows crew access to the length of a vehicle"
Since all the cruise lines are going bankrupt right now, how about doing the modern top of the line cruise ships before they disappear forever
Forever? They will have mergers and one or two will continue. Doubt they profitable business will never return after covid
Forever, lol. In a hundred years covid19 will be as remembered as the 1915 Spanish flu. Cruises will be popular again in 20 or 30 years
Hippy Yeah it's very unlikely all cruise lines will go bankrupt because of a temporary issue. The only way cruise lines will go extinct is if something replaces them, like how airliners replaced ocean liners.
Carnival Royal Carribean and Norwegian already own most of the industry so thats just 3 companys that need to survive.
He makes a video, I hit a like button and watch an ad or two and everything is just GRAVY. Tis a mutually beneficial relationship.
Simon this is a request from India the TAJ MAHAL it's just amazing and it will boost the Indian viewership on ur channel and will help them grow there knowledge as I have watched almost all of ur vdos on all ur channels... Soo yeahh DO IT!!!!!
I seriously love his backhanded compliments😂
Video suggestion: Mulberry Harbour/Dock a.k.a the thing that made the liberation of Europe logistically possible
Another great feature by Simon. I know it's not about the Titanic specifically but what is said about it is a bit outdated and slightly under-researched. One of the huge coal bunkers on board had a fire burning in it the whole time it was at sea, they couldn't jettison the coal out because it was needed to ensure it had enough to get to NY (they did not want the publicity of running out of fuel!). This was the reason the order was given to speed up, not pompous prestige. They had to burn through the coal making steam before it burnt itself making nothing. Unfortunately one wall of the coal bunker was made from one of the internal watertight bulkheads designed to save the ship if the hull was breeched, and it was warped and red-hot from the burning fire. When suddenly doused with cold sea water on one side, it cracked, as cast iron plate would. Eye witness accounts record gallons of water (and hissing steam) pouring through the bunker wall which would not have been possible except for the bunker fire.
A lot of what you see in the Titanic film of the 90's, is total rubbish, and it perpetuates even today. The iceberg did not breach enough compartments to sink the ship. The failure of the internal bulkhead due to heat stress sunk the ship.
And yes, it's also rubbish about lifeboats being only for 1st class. They were intended only to ferry passengers back and forth to a waiting rescue-boat, on the assumption that it would take a lot to sink the Titanic in the first place and even if it did receive fatal damage, the sinking would be a very slow affair (which it was). When the SOS went out, the nearest ship was very close and could easily have attended and rescued the passengers and crew before she sank if their radio operator wasn't asleep.
I do wish that when Hollywood portray history they at least get it right. I think maybe it made a better story to vilify the crew (locking passengers behind steel bars at gunpoint - also total rubbish), White Star themselves, and the British Upper Class. But whilst there was certainly negligence on their part, the film isn't fair to them at all.
The Amazing Adventures of Miles I agree with everything you said except the first paragraph. It’s true there was a smoldering coal fire in one of the coal bunkers, which was common at the time with coal burning ships. However the fire did affect the sinking, but not in a bad way. To put out the fire the crew took some coal from the bunker on the opposite side and placed it the bunker with the fire. Because of this Titanic had a 3 degree list to port. When the Titanic later struck the iceberg a day later, the extra coal on the one side acted as a counterweight to the water coming in on the starboard side. This is why Titanic remained on a relatively even keel for most of her sinking and why she never capsized. If Titanic didn’t have the coal fire there would be no counterweight and she would have rolled over an hour after the collision and likely no people would be rescued. So it actually benefited the Titanic. The bulkhead collapsed because it had hundreds of tons of water against it since Frederick Barrett shut the non watertight coal bunker door since the only damage done to Boiler Room 5 was within the coal bunker.
How about the Hughes Glomar Explorer and Project: Jennifer?
jobe00, I recommended that in response to one of Simon's other videos. 🙂 FYI: Project Jennifer is the designation the media erroneously attributed to the operation. The correct designation is Project Azorian.
Paul D I’ve recommended the Hughes Glomar Explorer 3 or 4 times now.
Eventually, I’ll hit the lottery of chosen ideas.
@@Jobe00 Can't win if you don't play. 🙂
I subbed to your channel when I saw your Concorde videos, but since I'm still just coming back to TH-cam with A LOT of catching up to do, I haven't started binging yet. Yet as soon as I saw this video, I clicked fast.
Very well done on this video. Just a couple things I wanted to point out though. One, the first and last times you mentioned the date Titanic sunk, you said April 12th. I know you obviously got it right in the middle of the video by saying April 15th, but just wanted to throw that out. Second, the trio were much slower than Mauretania. That ship's cruising speed you got right at 24 knots, but that speed would be the Olympic-class going all out ('cause they were a knot faster than 23; little stuff I know, but I like seeing things like this being as accurate as possible); for them 21 knots was their cruising speed. Third, this is just something I wanted to add: one of the main reasons the ships didn't have enough lifeboats was because the British Board of Trade had an outdated law saying ships over 10,000 tons couldn't carry more than 16 lifeboats. Heavily outdated by 1911. Lastly, not everyone died when the Britannic shredded those lifeboats. Ms. Jessop was in one of them and jumped out at the last second. Still got hit in the head by the blades, but we know she lived. Resilient woman, right there.
All the stickling aside, once again, marvelous job on this video, and thanks for making it. You're one of only a few guys on TH-cam so far where when I click on a video, I just have to stay and watch: your lessons are both fascinating and engaging. Before I go, just a quick question. On the thumbnail I see you have Clive Palmer's upcoming Titanic II. For anyone who is in the dark, that project is still going: Deltamarin are currently nearing the end of the design phase and will be looking to contact shipyards later. Source: titanicll.wordpress.com/. What are your thoughts about it, and will you sail on it if you get the chance?