Lamar Jackson exists. Lamar played better than Allen all year and still is! More overall TDs, more yards rushing and passing, less INTs, better passer ratings, more 5 TD games. Lamar is a better MVP. Ravens have 5 loses bc their defense sucks. Lamar carries that entire team.
I like Ahmed..But Devin Mcourty should be on here more often..His nfl experience adds another element of analysis on the Unbuttoned podcast Ahmed doesn’t ..
It’s actually funny watching ravens fans cope and try to explain why Jackson is better then Allen 🤣 dude played the giants Allen beat the lions debate over Allen MVP
Allen has no WR1 , Allen threw the ball 35 times and nearly matched Goffs numbers while Goff threw the ball 59 times MVP17 and no other players are close , Allen is his own class , give Allen Andy Reid or Harbaugh and he already has 2 rings
There are other QBs who can make completion on the scramble drill, he's able to not just make completions but turn them into explosives and target deep down field. Now he has the maturity to not constantly play outside himself, which reduces mistakes and turnovers a lot.
Allen is the mvp and it's not even close, lamar is not in the conversation, i'll put lamar and burrow in the same boat, there stats are good, there over achieving based on there talent, Allen put up 44 td's threw for over 4300 yards finished with the number 2 seed and people said that was a down year, Lamar is projected to finish with similar numbers and people are praising him as having the best season of his career lol, let that sink in, the ravens and the lions have the best offense in football, Lj is playing with 2 first round receivers, in flowers and bateman, mark andrews, likely, agulor, and lets not forget derrick henry in the back field, and they still have 5 losses, Allen has none of that, he lost players and elevated no name players, ty jonson, his THIRD STRING RUNNING BACK, was the leading receiver against the lions lol, Josh could make a cab driver look like randy moss, thats why he's the best player in the game, he's putting up numbers with no talent, Lj is having a good year for his standards, but he's nowhere near on the level of a josh allen, people give Lj credit for throwing a good pass, thats how low his bar is, and lastly, yes the ravens blew the bills out early on in the season, derrick henry also had 200 yards rushing, so i would like to think that played a part in the bills losing, Josh Allen beat the two best teams at the time, undefeated chiefs and 10 game winning streak lions at there house, what signature wins do Lj have? he had 5 td's on the worst team in football, Allen had 4 td's on the best team in football, and didn't Lj lose to the raiders and the browns??
37:00 I think the 3 personnel changes on defense they made that have been really good is Ardarius Washington, Chris Board now becoming starters, and Kyle Hamilton playing less nickel and more true deep half SS with Marlon Humphrey being the starting nickel with Nate Wiggins being the full time starter
lol chris simms keep picking against Josh Allen, when will you learn? you sound crazy trying to explain yourself away week to week after you were wrong, never bet against the best player in the game
The narrative that Buffalo lacks big people on their D-Line is pure garbage. Daquan Jones, Austin Johnson, Jordan Phillips and Eli Ankou all are huge and 315+ lbs
yeah, it's probably defensive coaching just sucks. Every year Bills is a super duper defense against the crap teams and absolute garbage in games when it matters and it doesn't matter which players they have. Yeah, they don't give 40 all the time, but it's pretty obvious that good QBs on good teams have a good time against the Bills.
I am glad the Simms noticed something I have said to my friend. Daniel Jones is a very tough man, he got destroyed in the pocket as the Giants QB and kept getting up and playing. I don't know if he is a good QB, he should signs of being mid at best. Hopefully KOC can turn him onto a better development path.
I'm four inches shorter than Simms, but I share his Nordic immense grape -- long and narrow. My fitted cap size is 7 3/4 and I had to hide the largest batting helmet because it was the only one that fit and my football helmets always left a Peyton Manning mark on my forehead
It’s not “blaming the media”… reporters blew the eagles situation out of proportion all week because you had nothing else to yap about. Completely justified for eagles players and staff to be upset by the spin, and honestly unprofessional for everyone in media after the eagles win to try and get a final word in. Stick to what you know, which should be what happens on the grass.
Josh Allen is incredible. Be great to see him win a SB. Lions look screwed now with their defensive injuries (horrendous list). Would have been a good Super Bowl. Don't see it happening now. Eagles Rams Packers Vikings probably all stronger than the Lions now (bit of a shame as they were the best team in the NFL for a long stretch). Bills are better than the Chiefs but who knows what voodoo happens in the play offs if Mahomes is fit. I am yet to be convinced by the Ravens especially in the play offs - Lamar is good but not as good as Allen or Mahomes. It's getting really interesting now with the top teams. Burrow is an amazing player but won't sniff the play offs this year (Bengals defence - oh dear) NFC teams look stronger than the AFC (excepting Bills) AFC have the top QB's. Great set up.
With Mahomes having a high ankle sprain (assuming hes doesn’t miss time) am I crazy for thinking if they have the 1 seed locked up after a win vs the Texans he should sit out week 17 vs the Steelers. As a Chiefs fan I’m scared what could happen on a bad ankle with these tackles vs Tj Watt and the Steelers D line
they won't have the 1 seed locked up after Texans, moreover, they will need to beat Steelers to rest the week 18. Bills have Jets and Patriots twice on schedule. They are 99% winning all 3 of those and they have a tiebreaker on Chiefs.
Only a brief conversation around OROY, but why does it have to be a QB? For me (yes I am a raiders fan) Brock Bowers has been the best offensive rookie this year.
Agree Brock Bowers is having a historic rookie season even leading the league overall in receptions. And OROY hasn't always leaned towards QB at all, only a recent thing where this and MVP has been marketed to favor QBs so heavily for it and after NFL made so many rule changes making the passing game much easier to facilitate their desired transition to cater to duel threat QBs.
2 mediocre seasons and won the Super Bowl in 1 and is on for the 1 seed in the other. Everyone just forgets mahomes 2 MVPs and 5000 yard seasons 50 TDs it’s crazy how he still gets compared to everyone else
Both the Lions and the Bills had over 40 dropped on their defense, let's talk about that, and for Buffalo it was the second game in a row. Buffalo won't go to a SB giving up over 40 points in back-to-back games. AP MVP means nothing, absolute zero. MVP is an NFL political opinion, nothing more.
Sir there’s 32 teams and only 1 team wins so at it’s mathematical core every team starts with about a 3% chance to win the SB, which in other words means you start with a 97% failure rate.
It’s laughable that all of a sudden the media wanna used rushing stats when it comes to Josh Allen ….never ever did this with Jalen Hurts …Never do it with Lamar but all of a sudden Josh Allen Tush Push are now historic/MVP Level 😂😂 Lamar clear this guy in every category…beat a overrated Chiefs team …Niners and Lions have half their rosters on IR!
Josh Allan is MVP, and Lamar's not in the conversation? Josh Allen's best game was in a loss, and Lamar won the head to head. What are you talking about? The people who are saying it's Josh Allen's turn need to go back to Pop Warner and hand out some participation trophies. If they're not both in the conversation at this point, especially with the Bill's remaining schedule, then you don't need to be having the conversation.
They were both in the conversation last year and it probably should have gone to Allen last year. Lamar has constantly been in the conversation even when he doesn't deserve it. The head-to-head game was early in the season and QBs don't line up against each other. Overall, Allen is more important to his team, and they wouldn't win many games without him. Right now, Allen is the better QB and is continually improving.
Josh Allen carries his team in a way not even Mahomes does. The past 3 years if the bills didn’t have Josh Allen they’d average maybe 2 wins. Maybe. That’s value. Not saying Ravens/Chiefs would be good-they wouldn’t-but the bills would be a catastrophe that would make this years jets look like 2007 patriots
Lamar is better in every category. Overall touchdowns, yards, less INTs, passer rating... If y'all think Lamar isn't dragging that Ravens team to wins every week with their trashy defense, then you aren't watching games. Lamar > Allen
Definitely deserved a mention, but if you're going to throw it 60 times because you can't run on the what's supposed to be a weak run defense that also played prevent most of the 4th quarter because they were up 2 possessions...Doesn't really compare to someone being unstoppable regardless of how you play him 🤷🏾♂️
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It's good to see Devin McCourty with Simms on his podcast here it's a good combination
Yall said the Bill's couldn't win the division because Josh didn't have the supporting cast. Now here you are.
Division sucks tho
Some also said they wouldn't even make the playoffs.
They shouldn't even have that award if Josh Allen doesn't win MVP.
Lamar Jackson exists. Lamar played better than Allen all year and still is! More overall TDs, more yards rushing and passing, less INTs, better passer ratings, more 5 TD games. Lamar is a better MVP. Ravens have 5 loses bc their defense sucks. Lamar carries that entire team.
lol. Josh deserved the MVP both seasons Lamar won it, so I guess if you’re right, Josh gets it this time
@@xian3001 the Josh Allen delusion is REAL smh
Its locked now!
He's gonna win relax
Since 2019 ALLEN leads NFL in total TDs 2nd and 3rd not even close.
This is a great podcast. These guys have terrific knowledge and insight, and they are truly enthusiastic fans of the game. Great Stuff !
The Bills had three starters out on D and Milano went down w groin! Hope he returns
I like Ahmed..But Devin Mcourty should be on here more often..His nfl experience adds another element of analysis on the Unbuttoned podcast Ahmed doesn’t ..
That's not Devin, it's Jason. He got you fooled.
So you don’t like Ahmed?
Nuh son this is Ahmeds podcast. Not the same without him. Doesn't flow anywhere near as much
@@emmitttraynor8939 It's Jason. You were fooled.
I can never tell them apart.
It’s actually funny watching ravens fans cope and try to explain why Jackson is better then Allen 🤣 dude played the giants Allen beat the lions debate over Allen MVP
Allen has no WR1 , Allen threw the ball 35 times and nearly matched Goffs numbers while Goff threw the ball 59 times
MVP17 and no other players are close , Allen is his own class , give Allen Andy Reid or Harbaugh and he already has 2 rings
There are other QBs who can make completion on the scramble drill, he's able to not just make completions but turn them into explosives and target deep down field.
Now he has the maturity to not constantly play outside himself, which reduces mistakes and turnovers a lot.
Allen is the mvp and it's not even close, lamar is not in the conversation, i'll put lamar and burrow in the same boat, there stats are good, there over achieving based on there talent, Allen put up 44 td's threw for over 4300 yards finished with the number 2 seed and people said that was a down year, Lamar is projected to finish with similar numbers and people are praising him as having the best season of his career lol, let that sink in, the ravens and the lions have the best offense in football, Lj is playing with 2 first round receivers, in flowers and bateman, mark andrews, likely, agulor, and lets not forget derrick henry in the back field, and they still have 5 losses, Allen has none of that, he lost players and elevated no name players, ty jonson, his THIRD STRING RUNNING BACK, was the leading receiver against the lions lol, Josh could make a cab driver look like randy moss, thats why he's the best player in the game, he's putting up numbers with no talent, Lj is having a good year for his standards, but he's nowhere near on the level of a josh allen, people give Lj credit for throwing a good pass, thats how low his bar is, and lastly, yes the ravens blew the bills out early on in the season, derrick henry also had 200 yards rushing, so i would like to think that played a part in the bills losing, Josh Allen beat the two best teams at the time, undefeated chiefs and 10 game winning streak lions at there house, what signature wins do Lj have? he had 5 td's on the worst team in football, Allen had 4 td's on the best team in football, and didn't Lj lose to the raiders and the browns??
GO BILLS!!
Go Bills!
MVP!!!
GO BILLS
Go Bills!
Might need to think about keeping dmac on permanently great addition
37:00 I think the 3 personnel changes on defense they made that have been really good is Ardarius Washington, Chris Board now becoming starters, and Kyle Hamilton playing less nickel and more true deep half SS with Marlon Humphrey being the starting nickel with Nate Wiggins being the full time starter
It's funny, Tampa Bay beat BOTH The Lions AND The Eagles this season 😂
Philly was down AJ and Smitty and Lane Johnson in that game with injuries while Tampa was healthy . They play again the Bucs get whooped
@@Kaizen29x Waahh waahh, cry me a river. They lost! There won't be an asterix next to the game score saying eagles had injuries!
@@Kaizen29xthe buccaneers haven’t been healthy all season next man up
Eagles were down half their offensive talent
lol chris simms keep picking against Josh Allen, when will you learn? you sound crazy trying to explain yourself away week to week after you were wrong, never bet against the best player in the game
The narrative that Buffalo lacks big people on their D-Line is pure garbage. Daquan Jones, Austin Johnson, Jordan Phillips and Eli Ankou all are huge and 315+ lbs
yeah, it's probably defensive coaching just sucks. Every year Bills is a super duper defense against the crap teams and absolute garbage in games when it matters and it doesn't matter which players they have. Yeah, they don't give 40 all the time, but it's pretty obvious that good QBs on good teams have a good time against the Bills.
I am glad the Simms noticed something I have said to my friend. Daniel Jones is a very tough man, he got destroyed in the pocket as the Giants QB and kept getting up and playing. I don't know if he is a good QB, he should signs of being mid at best. Hopefully KOC can turn him onto a better development path.
Great week of football
Devin should honor the memory of Ahmed and rock the Playskool water bottle. 🥰
I'm four inches shorter than Simms, but I share his Nordic immense grape -- long and narrow. My fitted cap size is 7 3/4 and I had to hide the largest batting helmet because it was the only one that fit and my football helmets always left a Peyton Manning mark on my forehead
Same situation, my wife thought it was funny until she was having our baby lol
@@kdgriess😂
Simms is one of the greatest football minds in history
Lmao okay hahahahahahha
@ you find humor in his superior intellect?
Slow down Pocahontas
I think @GKA11111 is actually Simms 🤣
If this was the case…his career would of equated to much more than just being a below average QB and a mediocre commentator
It’s not “blaming the media”… reporters blew the eagles situation out of proportion all week because you had nothing else to yap about. Completely justified for eagles players and staff to be upset by the spin, and honestly unprofessional for everyone in media after the eagles win to try and get a final word in. Stick to what you know, which should be what happens on the grass.
Simms is often on the grass :•O
No 3 peat for yhe Chiefs
He's better than any qb alive or dead JA17 the greatest football player to ever play the game period 💯
100%
You must be drunk.....
If he doesn’t win the Super Bowl this year he’s a massive failure
Josh Allen is incredible. Be great to see him win a SB. Lions look screwed now with their defensive injuries (horrendous list). Would have been a good Super Bowl. Don't see it happening now. Eagles Rams Packers Vikings probably all stronger than the Lions now (bit of a shame as they were the best team in the NFL for a long stretch). Bills are better than the Chiefs but who knows what voodoo happens in the play offs if Mahomes is fit. I am yet to be convinced by the Ravens especially in the play offs - Lamar is good but not as good as Allen or Mahomes. It's getting really interesting now with the top teams. Burrow is an amazing player but won't sniff the play offs this year (Bengals defence - oh dear) NFC teams look stronger than the AFC (excepting Bills) AFC have the top QB's. Great set up.
With Mahomes having a high ankle sprain (assuming hes doesn’t miss time) am I crazy for thinking if they have the 1 seed locked up after a win vs the Texans he should sit out week 17 vs the Steelers. As a Chiefs fan I’m scared what could happen on a bad ankle with these tackles vs Tj Watt and the Steelers D line
they won't have the 1 seed locked up after Texans, moreover, they will need to beat Steelers to rest the week 18. Bills have Jets and Patriots twice on schedule. They are 99% winning all 3 of those and they have a tiebreaker on Chiefs.
@ chiefs have to loose 2-3 for Buffalo to take the 1 seed
I like football.
Mccourty a good listen but the podcast doesnt flow anywhere near the same without our guy Ahmed. Where is he?
Where ahmed
Bring back our boy
Lions D is destroyed 7+injuries
First blazer!
Best Wishes Ahmed, missed your wit. Different vibe.
Yeh but Devon's good too.
Only a brief conversation around OROY, but why does it have to be a QB? For me (yes I am a raiders fan) Brock Bowers has been the best offensive rookie this year.
Agree Brock Bowers is having a historic rookie season even leading the league overall in receptions. And OROY hasn't always leaned towards QB at all, only a recent thing where this and MVP has been marketed to favor QBs so heavily for it and after NFL made so many rule changes making the passing game much easier to facilitate their desired transition to cater to duel threat QBs.
Best TE in the league this year and I hate the raiders
Yo Simmzy we lit
Chris do you feel stupid?
Chiefs 3 peat
MVP = Mid Value (P)quarterback?
2 mediocre seasons and won the Super Bowl in 1 and is on for the 1 seed in the other. Everyone just forgets mahomes 2 MVPs and 5000 yard seasons 50 TDs it’s crazy how he still gets compared to everyone else
He’s been playing like everyone else, or worse. It’s a what have you done for me lately league on a week to week basis
@ so you judge the best player in the league by what he done last week?
@@ben98_669yes, because it’s what he’s been doing for the past 2 years
@@imsquidward5187 lost in the playoffs?
@ he’s the MVP but he’s not the best qb in the league sadly
Both the Lions and the Bills had over 40 dropped on their defense, let's talk about that, and for Buffalo it was the second game in a row. Buffalo won't go to a SB giving up over 40 points in back-to-back games. AP MVP means nothing, absolute zero. MVP is an NFL political opinion, nothing more.
What defense in the AFC going to stop them?
Does anyone see Miami, Indy, or Cincy sneaking into a wild card spot?
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Colts fan, and let me say we have no chance.
Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.......... NO
Negative
Cincy hopefully
We love you DEVIN ! Go Pats go!
If Allen doesn’t win the Super Bowl this year he’s failed the season
Teams win Superbowls in NFL. There’s never been a team to even make the SB cause of 1 player.
@@jeremytaft8247 I’ve seen people saying he’s the goat qb the best player ever so he should be able to overcome?
They’ve got a top 10 defense what will the excuse be
Sir there’s 32 teams and only 1 team wins so at it’s mathematical core every team starts with about a 3% chance to win the SB, which in other words means you start with a 97% failure rate.
It’s laughable that all of a sudden the media wanna used rushing stats when it comes to Josh Allen ….never ever did this with Jalen Hurts …Never do it with Lamar but all of a sudden Josh Allen Tush Push are now historic/MVP Level 😂😂 Lamar clear this guy in every category…beat a overrated Chiefs team …Niners and Lions have half their rosters on IR!
How JA gets so much hate for.....what....idk is astounding
@SE-gs6gikr? Josh beat the Lions...Lamar the tanking Giants. Lmao
Someone's coping hard, need a tissue?
Josh Allan is MVP, and Lamar's not in the conversation? Josh Allen's best game was in a loss, and Lamar won the head to head. What are you talking about? The people who are saying it's Josh Allen's turn need to go back to Pop Warner and hand out some participation trophies. If they're not both in the conversation at this point, especially with the Bill's remaining schedule, then you don't need to be having the conversation.
They were both in the conversation last year and it probably should have gone to Allen last year. Lamar has constantly been in the conversation even when he doesn't deserve it. The head-to-head game was early in the season and QBs don't line up against each other. Overall, Allen is more important to his team, and they wouldn't win many games without him. Right now, Allen is the better QB and is continually improving.
44 tds josh vs 29 tds last year for lamar...he gets 49 votes??? lol.. baltimore had best defense last year!...now you have henry... get over yourself!
Josh Allen carries his team in a way not even Mahomes does. The past 3 years if the bills didn’t have Josh Allen they’d average maybe 2 wins. Maybe. That’s value. Not saying Ravens/Chiefs would be good-they wouldn’t-but the bills would be a catastrophe that would make this years jets look like 2007 patriots
If Josh was Black in the woke nfl Lamar would have 0 mvps its a qb award not a rb. Since 2019 Allen has the most total TDs in the nfl by a mile
Lamar is better in every category. Overall touchdowns, yards, less INTs, passer rating... If y'all think Lamar isn't dragging that Ravens team to wins every week with their trashy defense, then you aren't watching games. Lamar > Allen
Oh god no. Eagles fans are talking again. Hide your kids hide your wife
Lamar > Allen
No. Lamar = 1 playoff win in first six seasons.
Lol 😂
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They are equal. 0 wins in the AFCCG and only 1 appearance each. Both beaten by their father Patrick Mahomes.
@@deansisco1004i would still take Josh over both of them. Especially Mahomes. At least Lamar seems like an actual good person
talks about josh allen for 12 minutes, not a single comment about goff who had more yards and tds....nice
Goff balled out but still took the L
Definitely deserved a mention, but if you're going to throw it 60 times because you can't run on the what's supposed to be a weak run defense that also played prevent most of the 4th quarter because they were up 2 possessions...Doesn't really compare to someone being unstoppable regardless of how you play him 🤷🏾♂️
all those yards because bills had a big cushion.
Did you watch the game? If so, that's why. Goff could have had 900 yards. Still a shadow to what Allen did
They lost. Get over it