If is "华人" would be better for you? I believe that most 维吾尔，哈萨克，吉尔吉斯，乌克兰，俄罗斯的民族人 may not identify/认同 themselves as Leninism ruled CCP 中国人. But even quite heavy proportional 汉人 like me ruled by CCP are not so patriot of 炎黄子孙 either. Therefore "炎黄子孙" is a very cultural and nihilistic concept. Therefore, I'd be tolerate of using it at narrative level. Overall your expression is nothing wrong to me. Because it is a very ambiguous area. [翻譯]如果是“華人”會更好嗎？ 我相信大多數維吾爾，哈薩克，吉爾吉斯，烏克蘭，俄羅斯的民族人可能不會認同/承認自己是列寧主義統治的中共中國人。但即使是像我這樣被中共統治的相當重比例的漢人，也不是炎黃子孫的愛國者。所以“炎黃子孫”是一個非常文化和虛無主義的概念。因此，我可以容忍在敘述層面使用它。總的來說，你的表達對我來說沒有問題。因為這是一個非常模糊的區域。
@@charlotterichmond9553 对! agree. It is just because it popularly used by CCP I never use it. I call myself "華人". Yes, you are absolutely right that they are all 文化认同 with different narratives behind. But Leninism is a pin in my neck. Authoritarianism can never fit my life style. They will be abandoned by CCP Cina People. Sorry I cannot write in Cina. [翻譯] 對！同意。只是因為它被中共廣泛使用，我從不使用它。我稱自己為“華人”。是的，你完全正確，他們都是文化認同，背後有著不同的敘述。但列寧主義是我脖子上的別針。威權主義永遠不適合我的生活方式。他們將被中共中國人拋棄。對不起，我不能在中國寫。
[翻譯] 黃教授在這集中的敘述非常精彩。他提出的那些觀點，雖然沒有多少創意，但卻是無可爭辯的。 秦帝國、列寧主義和西方技術的結合呈現了中共政權。這是教授的非常經典的結論。也許，如果他能在技術點上更明確地擴展一點，甚至在社會哲學上會變得奢侈。 那麼也許購買他的書（包括他即將出版的第三本書）閱讀它或將其用作學術參考將對 黃教授產生最大的回報。哈哈。 Prof. Wong’s narratives in the episode are brilliant. Those points he made, although not much creative, but are undisputable. The combination of Qin Empire, Leninism and the western Technology presents CCP regime. It is very classic conclusion from the Professor. Also his view on Asian Pacific lines with mine. Agree. Perhaps, if he could have expanded a bit more on the technology point explicitly or even social philosophically would become luxury. Then maybe buying his book (including his 3rd coming one) read it or use it as reference academically would reward Prof. Wong the most. Lol.
Similar like the most sinologist world, Mr. 潘东凯 mentioned the assumption of middle class growth would eventual evolve CCP regime, has failed. But how to explain now CCP has turned his Wuhan Virus 0 tolerance a 180 degree around, back to focus eConocy again regardless if it could succeeded or no? Even Shi Chairman wanted to support POE by his heart with his thick governing experience except Jack Ma from Ant Financials and Boss of New Oriental, Yu Hongming’s disapprovals. My view is like once the sweet (industrialization & globalization) has been tasted subjectively CCP has shown their temptation to seek it back. This one of key basis for the 2nd Cold War. Is that true if without CCP socialist characteristic no CCP completely now? Pls give history a chance. [翻譯] 與大多數漢學家世界一樣，潘東凱先生提到中產階級增長最終會演變中共政權的假設，已經失敗。但是怎麼解釋現在CCP把武漢病毒0容忍度來個180度，不管能不能成功，又回到經濟上來？ 除了螞蟻金服的馬雲和新東方的老闆，俞鴻銘不以為然，就連習近平主席也想用自己豐富的執政經驗從心裡支持民營企業。 我的觀點就像是，一旦中共主觀上嚐到了甜頭（工業化和全球化），就會表現出他們想要回來的誘惑。這是第二次冷戰的重要基礎之一。 現在沒有中國特色社會主義，就沒有中共了嗎？ 請給歷史一個機會。
@@neverbefore-ym9oh Hey dude: I miss you now. Could do a me a favour finding a good software to translate the following writing from Hostile Forces in order your CCP Officials can read it properly? Remember this is a no pay job. lol Thought about where the humanistic in Russia had gone to? Most likely it'd return to pre Leninism era in early 20 century. Not just because such ideology like many others need violence, regardless is socialist or capitalist, red or black, to establish/create a real regime, it relies on it to maintain it on all the way rather than social institution establishment and redefining in order to serve its social Production upshift. Leninism destroys one of key social mechanism. Such social mechanism historically proved as one of famous CCP's doctrines which is rough and faked - Social Relationship must fits its origin - social productivities. But Leninism use it as a decoration when in West it is a history glory since enlightenment, burst via industrial revolution, inspired during liberty waking up and engaging, ever since the social democratic process construction. We are still doing it and it may never ends. Russians as a Nation will return such a key element of civilization back to their own society although my wish is Dostoevsky's novel "Crime and Punishment" which was confiscated by my high school teacher during the Cultural Revolution would had return it back to me.
王教授的分析令人醍醐灌頂茅塞頓開。
分析的太好了，不愧是教授！
王飞凌教授表现出了学者的严谨和投入。非常有见解，受益匪浅。
没听到任何数据 只说名列前茅的模糊描述 没有任何严谨可言
@@user-cy7lx7ot6u .......大部分中国人的生活水平还是典型的发展中国家......李克强说一半的中国人口生活在贫穷线以下，按照美国的标准，85%的中国人生活在贫穷线以下，按联合国的标准算，48%的中国人生活在贫穷线以下......到处是数据啊，你注意力这么不集中？
@@charlotterichmond9553 那是引用的大家耳熟能详的。研究者数据也没听到
@@user-cy7lx7ot6u 你要么再听一遍?
👍王飞凌教授，见地深刻所言极是。
非常好的一集，謝謝。
王飞凌教授的评论非常客观，结合历史的深度与世界的广度把对中国问题的分析达到一定的高度，十分难得。
非常好的节目。
讲的真好，开智了
讚王飛凌教授！謝謝冬寧的好節目。
非常有启发性的访谈。两位作者的观点实证且深刻。
Excellent interviewer
王老師讚讚讚讚讚讚加油🎄🤩🥰💯
一定要去买这本书！
這期節目好
王凌飞先生是美国之音嘉宾中不多的有历史与哲学视野的学者
聋的传人😢
潘东凯先生挺可爱，说话有几分幽默，讲究实事求是。但他把中国改革开放的巨大成就完全归功于西方的帮助，有些以偏概全了，希望现在与中国脱钩就能把中国打回一穷二白，也太一厢情愿。
亲爱的樊冬宁：不是”中国人“都认为自己是炎黄子孙，只有汉人才有这种认同，其他民族的不至于这么傻，维吾尔，哈萨克，吉尔吉斯，乌克兰，俄罗斯，扈特......那么多民族，没谁会说自己是炎黄子孙，所以，轻不要用”中国人“代表所有不幸生活在现中华人民共和国范围内的人。谢谢！
If is "华人" would be better for you?
I believe that most 维吾尔，哈萨克，吉尔吉斯，乌克兰，俄罗斯的民族人 may not identify/认同 themselves as Leninism ruled CCP 中国人. But even quite heavy proportional 汉人 like me ruled by CCP are not so patriot of 炎黄子孙 either. Therefore "炎黄子孙" is a very cultural and nihilistic concept. Therefore, I'd be tolerate of using it at narrative level. Overall your expression is nothing wrong to me. Because it is a very ambiguous area.
[翻譯]如果是“華人”會更好嗎？
我相信大多數維吾爾，哈薩克，吉爾吉斯，烏克蘭，俄羅斯的民族人可能不會認同/承認自己是列寧主義統治的中共中國人。但即使是像我這樣被中共統治的相當重比例的漢人，也不是炎黃子孫的愛國者。所以“炎黃子孫”是一個非常文化和虛無主義的概念。因此，我可以容忍在敘述層面使用它。總的來說，你的表達對我來說沒有問題。因為這是一個非常模糊的區域。
有道理👍
@@lioicomestai3703 “炎黄子孙”是文化认同。不是所有“中国人”都是炎黄子孙，也不是所有的中国人都认同自己是“炎黄子孙”。谁认谁自己去认领，但不应强行把“炎黄子孙”这个帽子扣到所有中国人身上。对吗？
@@charlotterichmond9553 对! agree. It is just because it popularly used by CCP I never use it. I call myself "華人". Yes, you are absolutely right that they are all 文化认同 with different narratives behind. But Leninism is a pin in my neck. Authoritarianism can never fit my life style. They will be abandoned by CCP Cina People. Sorry I cannot write in Cina.
[翻譯] 對！同意。只是因為它被中共廣泛使用，我從不使用它。我稱自己為“華人”。是的，你完全正確，他們都是文化認同，背後有著不同的敘述。但列寧主義是我脖子上的別針。威權主義永遠不適合我的生活方式。他們將被中共中國人拋棄。對不起，我不能在中國寫。
@@lioicomestai3703 你认同自己是“华人”，大概你的样貌和汉人一样或相近。但是现在这个“中华人民共和国”里，还有很多人在各方面都不属于“华人”，比如维吾尔人，哈萨，吉尔吉斯，俄罗斯......等等，虽然大陆会在这些名词后面加上“族”，但是......；再敏感一点的，比如蒙古人。所以“华人”这个概念里很多模棱两可，似是而非的东西，使用时要小心，不要把“华人”或“炎黄子孙”这顶帽子随便地，轻率地扣到每个人头上。
在哪里可以买到中华秩序？
龙🐲是古代人把“桑蚕”演变、变异来的🙄🤥
中共用法家思想控制社會，次優化社會治理。中國大陸民眾真的生活很苦。
很多东西已经千百年，不止73年。
经典分析，GD说的全部是假话，说一套做一套，精神分裂。
请问在哪里能买到两位教授的书？很感谢
谷歌搜电子版
谢谢本台的播报!!!世界基本了介了中共!
教授所说精彩!!!💞💓💞国内人民大多数看不到!!!
连学习的自由也被剥夺太可恨了🥵🥶😱
!共党没希望指望它早日下台!!!💪💪💪
🌆？？？😊？←
一
。q号？？
是
！会很🌶️🐔给了池州市人民医院癣才有
打台湾需要能力智商的，有几个智商，智力，大脑够用的。
第二嘉宾说龙是现代虚构，这个不对。历来皇帝都穿龙袍坐龙椅，病了就龙体欠安。
龙的本身面目非常凶狠，又有上天入地的本领，所以皇帝们做梦也想自己拥有天大的本领来控制天下，橙子，杯子，连衣服和被子都有龙的影子🤣🤣🤣
他說的皇帝🫅你說古代人誰敢說自己是龍的傳人？所以是虚构
作为在西方和美国的专家的理论，感觉越来越和中国世界大多数发展的国家脱节，感觉说不到点子上，完全是站在西方国家的角度上看问题，所以越来越起不到指导实践的作用，。
主持人說話的速度太快了 感覺很壓迫 不舒服
听了客人分析中國现今情況，或者讲中國走了七十年到了今天的绝境，简单来说管治用黑社會方法，不讲道德，没有诚信，由上至下只有贪污，不管人民死活，外内不一样。可是学者没提出中國如何走到灭亡之日。句句表示中國人民力量有限，不要期望人民做反，推翻政府，东亚病夫早就在百年前得来的，我們听了几十年到现在得个讲字而已，朋友们，听完就是，不必用心。
美国之音的演播室感觉到几十年都没有变化，有点落寞的感觉。在美对外宣传机构中也越来越边缘化。
老人倒地不敢扶，民免而无耻了都。
中国的人力资源还是优势。
每小时工资只是我们的不到十分之一，而且可以让他们每天工作15小时以上。
從制度談中共的話，就像是一個罪犯犯了罪，卻怪罪於家庭。
我觉得教授说的很好但是很多说的不好有小方面
我只是理性来说
我在英国不是为了爱国而是国家不爱我
离开中国这么多年的教授，根本不了解中国了。老是以旧眼光看中国政府。
You don't need to jealously attack others when you have not ability (regime)
to realize your (Chinese) dream…
Why "jealously attack"? I'd say any authoritarian rulers desperately attack dissident established regimes. A competition for surviving, I reckon.
得出了那么多结论，可没听到第一位嘉宾给出任何数字
哪里找的傻乎乎的连话都说不清楚还写书！
主持人瞧不起这个教授。。。
总是，嗯哼
PAL
VOA怎么变成只有这么寂寞的节目了呢？
了/不品不說活致
劉品品品
美國要按照自己的規則努力脱軌，維持霸權，這事路人皆知，有甚麽好寫的
不是尼克松，是肯尼迪对赫鲁晓夫。历史学家潘先生
潘东凯在港人节目中，表现算是不错的，但和王飞凌放在同一个节目里，差距就明显了，在视野，格局和看问题的深度上，远逊王飞凌先生。
美国之音越来越烂
这节目不行啊，没人看，你这样怎么跟你爹要经费？
他爹急了，只要有人出耒嚷嚷中国不好，而且最好是中国人面孔而号称教绶的出來，不管有效无效，都会不吝给经费的
你們應該去看俄爹的俄語節目，畢竟餓爹很行呀世界第二軍事大國哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈😂
[翻譯] 黃教授在這集中的敘述非常精彩。他提出的那些觀點，雖然沒有多少創意，但卻是無可爭辯的。
秦帝國、列寧主義和西方技術的結合呈現了中共政權。這是教授的非常經典的結論。也許，如果他能在技術點上更明確地擴展一點，甚至在社會哲學上會變得奢侈。
那麼也許購買他的書（包括他即將出版的第三本書）閱讀它或將其用作學術參考將對 黃教授產生最大的回報。哈哈。
Prof. Wong’s narratives in the episode are brilliant. Those points he made, although not much creative, but are undisputable.
The combination of Qin Empire, Leninism and the western Technology presents CCP regime. It is very classic conclusion from the Professor. Also his view on Asian Pacific lines with mine. Agree.
Perhaps, if he could have expanded a bit more on the technology point explicitly or even social philosophically would become luxury.
Then maybe buying his book (including his 3rd coming one) read it or use it as reference academically would reward Prof. Wong the most. Lol.
Similar like the most sinologist world, Mr. 潘东凯 mentioned the assumption of middle class growth would eventual evolve CCP regime, has failed. But how to explain now CCP has turned his Wuhan Virus 0 tolerance a 180 degree around, back to focus eConocy again regardless if it could succeeded or no?
Even Shi Chairman wanted to support POE by his heart with his thick governing experience except Jack Ma from Ant Financials and Boss of New Oriental, Yu Hongming’s disapprovals.
My view is like once the sweet (industrialization & globalization) has been tasted subjectively CCP has shown their temptation to seek it back. This one of key basis for the 2nd Cold War.
Is that true if without CCP socialist characteristic no CCP completely now?
Pls give history a chance.
[翻譯] 與大多數漢學家世界一樣，潘東凱先生提到中產階級增長最終會演變中共政權的假設，已經失敗。但是怎麼解釋現在CCP把武漢病毒0容忍度來個180度，不管能不能成功，又回到經濟上來？
除了螞蟻金服的馬雲和新東方的老闆，俞鴻銘不以為然，就連習近平主席也想用自己豐富的執政經驗從心裡支持民營企業。
我的觀點就像是，一旦中共主觀上嚐到了甜頭（工業化和全球化），就會表現出他們想要回來的誘惑。這是第二次冷戰的重要基礎之一。
現在沒有中國特色社會主義，就沒有中共了嗎？
請給歷史一個機會。
you badly need a much better chinese to english translator software
@@neverbefore-ym9oh Hey dude: I miss you now. Could do a me a favour finding a good software to translate the following writing from Hostile Forces in order your CCP Officials can read it properly? Remember this is a no pay job. lol
Thought about where the humanistic in Russia had gone to?
Most likely it'd return to pre Leninism era in early 20 century. Not just because such ideology like many others need violence, regardless is socialist or capitalist, red or black, to establish/create a real regime, it relies on it to maintain it on all the way rather than social institution establishment and redefining in order to serve its social Production upshift.
Leninism destroys one of key social mechanism.
Such social mechanism historically proved as one of famous CCP's doctrines which is rough and faked - Social Relationship must fits its origin - social productivities. But Leninism use it as a decoration when in West it is a history glory since enlightenment, burst via industrial revolution, inspired during liberty waking up and engaging, ever since the social democratic process construction. We are still doing it and it may never ends.
Russians as a Nation will return such a key element of civilization back to their own society although my wish is Dostoevsky's novel "Crime and Punishment" which was confiscated by my high school teacher during the Cultural Revolution would had return it back to me.