Lol! HR, I think you missed those first two "tack driver" shots for dramatic effect! Lol! I think that "piece" is going to serve you well! Glad you got the "Block" off your hands! Great video review. Thanks!
Looks like they got it right after its’ trip back to the factory. I still prefer a da revolver for ccw, and for belt carry a 3 inch mid frame revolver is perfect. I have found that da rapid fire is more accurate than slow sa fire.you use the rhythm of recoil and fire as the revolver recovers on target .looks like you experienced the same
Edit…I found a real nice used 19 carry comp last month. And just got some new Altamont grips (round butt to square butt. These are real nice and fit my hand excellently! It looks like a real nice revolver but the price tag is just outrageous, like everything else in the gun industry. Hopefully it will come down in price but I doubt it.
Outstanding review, very interesting revolver, I may have to consider an acquisition, I bet it will smooth out with dry fire and shooting. Oh I fully understand the GLOCK residual slime feel. When I handle or shoot mine the only thing that helps is to pull out a classic pistol or revolver, 1911 or something like the PPK or Colt 1908 or 1903 pocket guns as an example, older S&W OR COLT revolvers too. Then all is right again.
I’m glad to see that you got to run it a little bit. Please forgive me as you very likely already know, swapping out the trigger return spring for a 12 pounder significantly lightens the pull while still maintaining the leaf spring hammer drop weight at full tension. I’ve done this on a few of my smith & Wessons and it turned great guns into phenomenal guns instantly. Costs about 15 bucks and takes about 15 minutes to drop in. As stated you likely already know this so my comment might be more valuable to your viewers than to you personally. Keep up the good work.
If you want rated performance from any magnum load, you have to use at least a 4 inch barrel, more likely 6. The carry comp only has about 2.5 inches of rifled barrel. I use short barrel, low flash, low recoil ammo in the carry comp and 2.75 model 66. Same velocity, less blast and recoil. Buffalo Bore has a chart with the velocities by barrel length. Each additional inch makes a huge difference. I was disappointed in the carry comp trigger. I put a spring kit in it and had to hone the action parts.
Just managed to catch up with all 3 chapters. Great job once more, Howard, very interesting, learned a lot of new things again. You put a lot of time and effort in it, much appreciated. Also, the idea of "retiring" old firearms is something I appreciate very much. It's about respect. We can still carefully enjoy them from time to time, like opening a bottle of good wine from earlier years. How nice is that.
Thanks for excellent videos Beat the hell,out of most of the junk on TH-cam. I have owned a Model 66 and a model 686 for decades Will get Carry Comp soon for everyday carry.
nice shooting. i just picked up my first s&w revolver. its a used police trade in 64-8 38 special +p from 2004. i am blown away at just how good the trigger in it feels.
I started out in the NYC Police Academy with a S & W model 19, it's the old wheel gun. Today I will add a Crimson Trace LG-207 laser grip to enhance shooting.
Excellent Review and Shooting! Glad that your new S&W M19 Carry Comp is a Tack Driver! You may have gotten off to a rough start with it, but in the end, I believe it has proven itself worthy of service. Glad you got the "Glock" off your hands, but since it's your duty weapon I suppose you can't bury it in the back yard any more, except maybe when you go on vacation.
Very good review. Carried an M9 for 22+ years and felt confident in it, but it's hard to beat a Smith and Wesson revolver. Now that I don't work for my uncle anymore, revolvers are my everyday carry. FYI- I bought a 629PC a few years ago. The barrel was canted so it went back for warranty repairs. Also bought a model 29 that went back twice. Neither of them should've passed QC, but both were repaired without a problem. Thanks for the video!
I found with mine that the port really steps out with the 158 grain .357’s. Makes it very easy to shoot. Much less recoil than with the 3 inch 686 with the same ammo.
Good video. I'm a little disappointed in S&W for such a heavy trigger pull. Regardless of the smoothness of the pull most people would shake like a dog trying to pass a peach pit with an eleven lbs trigger. Blessings
I tend to disagree with that. Although I prefer a lighter trigger also, the smoothness makes all the difference. Having scratchy stages while pulling back a double action hammer is worst than a heavy but smooth action. In my experience anyway.
If Colt can make a non stacking, glass smooth 8 lb trigger pull on their mass produced guns, there is no reason the "Performance Center" shouldn't be able to do the same.
Gott Love those S&W Irons...Owned plenty shot plenty Regret selling Plenty...now out of my price range..But I am hanging on to my 5906 Gen 3 for life.....great series great Video...Semper Fi....
HR, Really good review of the Carry Comp revolver. Just a couple of thoughts. For the front sight, you might try putting some red paint or red fingernail polish (check with your wife about that one) on the front sight. To lighten the action, get a Wolff spring kit for S&W K,L, and N frames. They're easy to install and cost about 15 dollars. They will make the trigger pull just about what you would like. That's all I've got today. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Zeke
@@hrfunk Let me know how that spring kit works out for you. Wolff is in Pennslyvania, so they're not very far away. And they do have two f's in their name. That's not a typo.........lol
It's interesting, I have a snub nose .38 that I honestly struggle to shoot accurately with, but my Bersa Thunder .380 or Glock 26 in 9mm I can shoot relatively quickly from the draw and more accurately. I suppose it's a matter of training more than anything. But I've always felt the snubby (while super easy to carry) was for short range to point blank duty, beyond that you're really not safe to assume you'll hit your target. I do love my Taurus 65 that I picked up out of the used gun counter of my local shop about a year ago for a steal. Really a fun gun to shoot and easy to reload on the range without fiddling around and having to load 15 round magazines, etc. Good video series.
Hey HR, great video. I’m curious as to whether you’ve considered a Wilson Combat (or similar) spring kit for your Carry Comp. I consider their spring kits essential for j-frames. I’ll bet it would make a world of difference.
Nice shooting, HR, and i am SO pleased that the final shot qualified the Carry Comp as a certified Tack Driver. I also laughed, nodded my head in agreement, and GREATLY appreciated your closing Glock remarks. And I’m certain the Carry Comp will be an entirely successful part of your EDC rotation, even if its panache isn’t quite as visible as Combat Magnums,’ for many decades; it’s - positively - a very fine and eminently practical revolver, which should serve well for generations. Do you plan routinely to load the top=tier .357 magnum JHPs? I ask because (for some years now) I have been using HOT - usually Buffalo Bore - 38 Special +P’s in my 2.25 inch barrel SP101 and my 4.0 inch barrel GP100’s (however, when I rarely carry my five inch N Frames, I generally load 158 and 125 grain .357 magnums). My thinking is potent +P’s will do the job and both the recoil and the acoustic signature will be significantly reduced. Enjoy the Carry Comp; fwiw, I would feel entirely comfortable with it in ANY non-LEO/security situation.
I haven’t decided on a carry load yet. For years I’ve carried my K-frame magnums with Remington 125 grain .357 Golden Saber. That’s a mid-range magnum load that hits a little harder than a .38 +P, but it doesn’t batter the revolver (or the shooter) like full-power ammo. Unfortunately, I’m not entirely sure that load is still made. Corbon, I believe, has something similar, so I might look into that.
@@hrfunk Remington’s likely discontinuation (and I confirmed that was probably factual on several internet sites) of their 125 gain, .357 magnum, Golden Saber (ammunition and projectiles) is really disappointing. For decades, that was my unusual magnum option and I believe it remains a VERY reliable, accurate and effective load.
HR you may try CYLINDER and SLIDE extreme duty rear sights. Better sight picture and built like a monument, you can get them with or without white dots.
Greetings from California. Thank you for the good review hrfunk, not a lot of TH-camrs have reviews on this firearm. I recently purchased this firearm, and I can’t wait for my background check to clear so I can shoot it.
Nice range report. I have to give it to you shooting the test using .357 Magnum. I can only shoot a few rounds of it in my guns before my hands yell stop! Interesting you shoot the DA so well given it's poundage. It must be very smooth to compensate. Thanks for the video!
I want one of those guns so bad, I've got a model 15 combat masterpiece but it's no magnum, I wonder though how well a ported gun carries as far as it staying clean.
Wash the Glock off? I know the feeling! I'd practice with my issued Glock 22 and then reward myself by shooting my 1911 off-duty gun. It's hard to say how much the comp or Magna-porting helps, but you sure were smooth on that multiple adversary drill. You were quick, the side-to-side transition was smooth, and you didn't throw anything high by firing a follow-up shot while still recovering from the recoil of the previous shot. So the extra cost of the compensator seems to be worth it.
Put a spring kit in there, change the rear blade, and front sight. Dunnzo I found Winchester 140gr with the barnes solid copper bullet gets out of my 2.5” 686 at over 1100fps if I remember correctly.
@@hrfunk Really!? That’s surprising…. I wouldn’t of thought that. Maybe the new sprung firing pin? I resprung my 642-2 which is pretty new and it is great… that is quite a different bird all together though.
Yes, I can’t speak for the newer J-frames, but the changes to the hammer and the move to an internal firing pin on the larger revolvers are probably the reasons.
Gave my comment some thought, the Carry Comp is the modern version of the 19. And I agree with you, it just isn't what it was. But if I was forty or fifty years younger, I might not know the elegance of the S&W revolvers without the -dash-. Functionally, it passes muster and will probably last a lifetime. That is a fact, my opinion is the differences reflect the economic goals of today. Of course, I thought the joke at the end was funny. But then, I don't own a glock.
It seems to shoot everything pretty well. I don’t think I’ve found a particular factory load that’s a lot more accurate than others. I carry it with a Remington 125 grain load.
Many recommend that for shorter barrel revolvers your results are better with lighter bullets that use fast burning powders. Have you heard of this? If you re-load I've had great accuracy by using better quality bullets like Nosler, Hornady, or Speer. Those powder coated lead bullets come from suppliers that use lead with no consistency in Brinell. Would you agree?
I believe the faster burning powders are more efficient in shorter barrels than slow burning powders. I have loaded .357’s with all of those bullets and I tend to like Hornady XTP’s and Nosler JHP’s the best. I don’t think I’ve ever used a powder coated lead bullet but I’ve used many of the hard cast variety.
I enjoyed the video very much and watched it with my model 66-2 in hand. The question that I have has nothing to do with the revolver but has to do with the vest that you are wearing. make model and where I might find one please?
Thanks Theodore. I bought the vest a couple of years ago from Duluth trading Company. I don't know if they still offer this same one, but they probably have something similar these days.
@@hrfunk I know ammo companies usually use a 4" barrel for 9mm but not being a revolver guy I don't know what the use for .357. There used to be a site called ballistics by the inch but I don't know if it is still up.
You may have a lot better results with Hornady 125g XTP , with 2400 Alliant & small magnum primers if the Fin ever get all that in. Also, I was looking at it also at BMT. Congratulations on retiring from the Amish buggy speed trap. Just up the tracks.
I also much prefer my hands to be "clean." In the previous age from the "last century," an "arch adjustment" of the hammer spring and a careful adjustment of the strain screw length, possibly a new screw, would have been in order, all keeping in mind the intended purpose of the firearm. Best Regards!
I did consider the 586, but I opted for the smaller revolver as a carry piece. I'm still evaluating front sights. If I make a change I'll let everyone know what I get. Thanks for watching!
Comment: I have handled two M19 Classics side by side in gun store and one double action felt very tight and the other felt a lot lighter and easier. I’ve found mixed comments on that from other youtube channels. Does not sound like the factory is necessarily consistent. Question: after putting hundreds of rounds through it at any one time before cleaning, have you suffered any cylinder rotation failures as hickok.45 did in his first review of the M19 Classic? Some commentary had said that buildup around the new ball and detent lockup on the cylinder crane causes this. Good review. I’m hoping to get a M19 Classic one day. Been wanting a 4 inch blued S&W combat magnum for 17 years.
I have a few thousands rounds down range with my 66-8 2.75 with that new lock up and have not had an issue. But I clean my revolvers after I shoot them.
Problem is your spoiled! You were around when they were made the right way! Thankfully so was I, and lucky enough to have bought me and mine enough to last us for a good long while!
Mr. Funk, how does the performance center trigger pull compare to stock S&W triggers? Do you think the additional cost to upgrade to a PC version is worth the added cost?
The PC trigger is as smooth out of the box as the older revolvers are after many thousands of cycles. That’s really what you’re getting with an action job. Unfortunately, the Carry Comp’s trigger is also heavier. The springs in the new revolver might eventually relax to the point where the pull-weight is reduced. If so, that will take some time. As to weather the PC revolvers are worth the additional cost, that is a question each buyer must make. For me, I’m glad I bought the Carry Comp.
Well, nothing wrong with it that some relatively minor modification won't solve... a good polish job on the internals to lighten that trigger, and maybe replace the sights. As previously noted, not major issues, but shouldn't be necessary on a PC gun. Irritating, yes, but not a deal breaker. Just reminds us this AIN'T the good 'ol days! Loved that dis at the Glock.....
How much reduction of muzzle flip would you say the comp gives you? like a percentage compared to the 3inch k frame? Also, does it increase the concussion in the air you feel by much? what %? And any increase in noise? Thanks for the video! I'm interested in one of these so I like to know what im getting myself into =)
I didn’t notice any difference in noise or blast. As far as muzzle rise reduction goes, that’s hard to say. I could tell there was less muzzle rise than with my uncompensated Model 19, but I can’t give you any kind of percentage.
I am not sure I can make that determination for you. I can tell you there is a noticeable reduction in recoil. As to whether that justifies the additional expense for you, I really can’t say.
Most revolvers are "tack drivers". Think about it, the barrel is fixed. even if the sights are off, the bullet will fly true each time. There is also no mass, i.e., the slide, moving back and forth to throw off recoil management. Lastly, the relatively heavy DA pull forces you to stay on target longer and provides less strength to your wrists through the trigger pull - meaning you HAVE to pull the trigger straight back to the rear.
@@papimaximus95 I obviously understand your point, but the firearm is only a portion of the full equation. There is also the ammunition, the sights’ alignment. sometimes weather conditions (high crosswinds, for example), and - most critically - the shooter.
Sigh, I will be in physical therapy at that time...sorry to miss the usual congregation. Geoff Whose knee is new and both legs need work...lots of work.
You can lower the double action trigger pull to about 7.5 lbs. by changing the trigger rebound spring to a 10 lb one. The factory spring is overkill at about 14 to 15 lbs. Realistically due to weight, size, capacity and cost it's not a practical choice for concealed carry.
S&W changed the lock-work of their revolvers several years ago. Since then, it seems that reducing the mainspring power is more likely to induce misfires. As far as realistic/practical carry goes, I’ll say that when I opt to carry this revolver I don’t feel particularly vulnerable to attack.
@@notgiven4799 Polishing of the rebound slide and the frame area that it moves against should be part of the "Performance Center" tuning. I highly doubt any polishing is required. That said, a slightly lighter trigger return spring may be in order. Not too light though or things get thrown out of wack. Not functionally. It just feels weird.
@@Fudmottin The era of hand fitting and polishing parts is gone. The tolerances of most parts allows for drop in install, that being said even with identical parts, some new revolvers will have better actions than others. Most newer Smith and Wesson L, K and N frames will benefit from switching to an 10 or 11 lb. rebound spring. A small amount of Lubriplate thin grease works well on the rebound slide after polishing. The 11 lb. rebound spring reduces the trigger pull and still provides good snap back.
@@notgiven4799 Even in the age of CNC and MIM, tolerance stacking is still a thing. The whole reason for the Performance Center is to pick the parts and give them an extra once over and such to make sure the best gun possible goes out the door. That said, their jobs should be easier. It really makes me wonder why HRF had to return his revolver to be fixed out of the gate.
What is the average number of shots fired during a civilian armed confrontation, as per police studies? Should a citizen carry a revolver or a high-capacity polymer 'Wonder 9'?
I’m not sure there has ever been a credible study to determine that. At best, there have been limited studies and in some instances I think numbers have just been “invented.” Even were there a definitive number, I don’t think I would pay much attention to the “average” because a specific incident might deviate from that number significantly. My advice is to train with your chosen firearm and carry the amount of ammunition that makes you feel comfortable.
@@hrfunk In reality, would a citizen engage in a gun fight in which he would need to fire more than a few rounds? If he needed 10-15 rounds, he would be in serious jeopardy!
Agreed. When I elect to carry one of my revolvers or a lower capacity semi-auto I don’t fell overly vulnerable. I do, however, base my handgun selection upon the places my daily travels will take me.
@@johnzajac9849 These days, you could be leaving a Wally World and find yourself swarmed by attackers on a "wilding" rampage or "peaceful protest," or pulled out of your car by such a mob while waiting for a red light. I don't feel comfortable without at least 16-18 rounds, but YMMV.
Look up TK customs for that revolver , they will get rid of that lock and those mim parts and give u a trigger job ! With that being said ! I think ur revolver is a good looking pistol with a certain cool factor , and I was considering purchasing one but 😂 what kills it for me is the trigger lock 🔐 the finish , the MIM parts , the drilling completely thru the top strap and S&W quality of late , plus a hefty price tag ! For me I will spend a couple of hundred more dollars and find an older one that will just go up in value , great shooting by the way , I really enjoy ur videos !
I've owned one Glock my entire life, and it was only because I gave my son a pristine Model 66-1 4" last year, and he insisted on giving me a gun (19 Gen 5 MOS) in return. He already has it back. After 1 range trip, I'd had enough Glock to last a lifetime, and even my Nighthawk Custom 1911 has failed to remove the taint from my hands, and the disgust from my psyche. I'm still laughing at the ending of this video, though! I'm going to be a pain in your backside and again point you towards the Barnes TAC-XPD 125 grain all copper hollow point, rated at 1200 FPS in a 2" barrel. You'll get about 1250 or so out of your carry comp, and you'll be surprised by the low recoil. I switched to those from 125 grain 357 Golden Sabres, and they are fairly comparable as far as recoil is concerned, but I doubt you'd get more than 1100 FPS (if even that) out of a snubby with the GS rounds. I haven't seen them for quite some time, but I still have a hundred or two rounds of it laying around, just in case I get desperate for 357 ammo, lol. They're great in a 4", IMO. Sounds like a few Wolf springs and you're a happy camper. Nice to see a happy end to a story that began so disappointingly!
You don't have a problem with a four pound single action pull on this special model? I would send any S&W revolver back to the factory with this plus the awful double action pull. I have several classic S&W revolvers from the "good old days" with fabulous triggers that can shoot two inch groups at fifty yards. Have you ever shot one of these? What has happened to the gun industry??
Wash that Glock right out of your hands! LOL. I bet that gun would be even more of a tack driver with good ammunition. Odd that they would load it to 38 Spl levels and call it magnum. I don't know if you do your own hand loads, but XTP bullets do make inexpensive components for what they are. They are only about twice the price of the cheapest stuff I've seen out there which I wouldn't put through one of my firearms. Maybe I'm a bit of a snob! I don't know if the springs will lighten up with use or not. On my 66-8, I did install a lighter spring kit. Then I started getting excessive light strikes. So I restored the original main spring and also installed a longer firing pin. A belt and suspenders approach if you will. I did leave in the lightened trigger return spring. My 3" 629-5 pre-lock has about the best trigger I've ever had on anything. I would love to pull a Performance Center trigger to see what that's like.
That's an issue with these newer revolvers in the spring kits. It is not uncommon to have light primer strikes. For that reason, I am going to keep the factory springs in this revolver. Still, thanks for the suggestion!
@@hrfunk One thing I discovered doing some research into the possibility of using small rifle primers in place of small pistol primers is that some companies do use thicker cups in the rifle primers. CCI 450 primers are a lot different from the 500/550 primers. Given the current climate, maybe S&W is going for an extra hard wack on the primer for reliability. That is of course just speculation on my part. I have also seen factory new ammunition where the primers were not fully seated. The firing pin can seat them the rest of the way without setting them off.
Get some deer gutting gloves that extend above elbows to touch at glock. Remember to keep at glock out of your gun safe so it don't ooze on m 1911s. That comment was worth watching 3 videos. 🤣😂☺😉.
Sorry HR the details of the pistol and shooting was what I wanted to see not a history lesson , I seem to be shaky a lot lately but 4 bulged disc in my neck doesn’t help
"I had to wash the Glock off my hands" with a little S&W astringent. Priceless. Great job once again.
Ewww! You TOUCHED one?!!
“Wash the Glock off my hands.” Excellent!
Lol! HR, I think you missed those first two "tack driver" shots for dramatic effect! Lol! I think that "piece" is going to serve you well! Glad you got the "Block" off your hands! Great video review. Thanks!
Looks like they got it right after its’ trip back to the factory. I still prefer a da revolver for ccw, and for belt carry a 3 inch mid frame revolver is perfect. I have found that da rapid fire is more accurate than slow sa fire.you use the rhythm of recoil and fire as the revolver recovers on target .looks like you experienced the same
Edit…I found a real nice used 19 carry comp last month. And just got some new Altamont grips (round butt to square butt. These are real nice and fit my hand excellently!
It looks like a real nice revolver but the price tag is just outrageous, like everything else in the gun industry. Hopefully it will come down in price but I doubt it.
I just found one for $1150. That does seem steep.
They’re not likely to get too much cheaper.
Outstanding review, very interesting revolver, I may have to consider an acquisition, I bet it will smooth out with dry fire and shooting. Oh I fully understand the GLOCK residual slime feel. When I handle or shoot mine the only thing that helps is to pull out a classic pistol or revolver, 1911 or something like the PPK or Colt 1908 or 1903 pocket guns as an example, older S&W OR COLT revolvers too. Then all is right again.
Yep. It takes a classic steel frame firearm to scrub that Glock all the way off your hands.
I’m glad to see that you got to run it a little bit. Please forgive me as you very likely already know, swapping out the trigger return spring for a 12 pounder significantly lightens the pull while still maintaining the leaf spring hammer drop weight at full tension. I’ve done this on a few of my smith & Wessons and it turned great guns into phenomenal guns instantly. Costs about 15 bucks and takes about 15 minutes to drop in. As stated you likely already know this so my comment might be more valuable to your viewers than to you personally. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Robert!
Love that "wash the Glock off my hands" comment!! :))
If you want rated performance from any magnum load, you have to use at least a 4 inch barrel, more likely 6. The carry comp only has about 2.5 inches of rifled barrel. I use short barrel, low flash, low recoil ammo in the carry comp and 2.75 model 66. Same velocity, less blast and recoil. Buffalo Bore has a chart with the velocities by barrel length. Each additional inch makes a huge difference.
I was disappointed in the carry comp trigger. I put a spring kit in it and had to hone the action parts.
Just managed to catch up with all 3 chapters. Great job once more, Howard, very interesting, learned a lot of new things again. You put a lot of time and effort in it, much appreciated. Also, the idea of "retiring" old firearms is something I appreciate very much. It's about respect. We can still carefully enjoy them from time to time, like opening a bottle of good wine from earlier years. How nice is that.
That's a great analogy Marc. We can treat them like the fine instruments they are.
Thanks for excellent videos Beat the hell,out of most of the junk on TH-cam. I have owned a Model 66 and a model 686 for decades Will get Carry Comp soon for everyday carry.
I was carrying that revolver earlier this week. We got off to a rock start, but since then the Carry Comp has become one of my favorite wheelguns.
nice shooting. i just picked up my first s&w revolver. its a used police trade in 64-8 38 special +p from 2004. i am blown away at just how good the trigger in it feels.
That’s a classic revolver. I suspect you’re going to be very happy with it.
Love the line bout the Glock sir!!! Great job.
I started out in the NYC Police Academy with a S & W model 19, it's the old wheel gun. Today I will add a Crimson Trace LG-207 laser grip to enhance shooting.
Excellent Review and Shooting! Glad that your new S&W M19 Carry Comp is a Tack Driver!
You may have gotten off to a rough start with it, but in the end, I believe it has proven itself worthy of service.
Glad you got the "Glock" off your hands, but since it's your duty weapon I suppose you can't
bury it in the back yard any more, except maybe when you go on vacation.
Great job with the combat carry H R , wheel guns are ageless. 🙂
Fine job on the tack driving shot, Mr Funk. Funny crack about dirty Glocks. Model 19’s are outstanding revolvers. Congratulations on your comp carry.
Thank you!
Very good review. Carried an M9 for 22+ years and felt confident in it, but it's hard to beat a Smith and Wesson revolver. Now that I don't work for my uncle anymore, revolvers are my everyday carry.
FYI- I bought a 629PC a few years ago. The barrel was canted so it went back for warranty repairs. Also bought a model 29 that went back twice. Neither of them should've passed QC, but both were repaired without a problem. Thanks for the video!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
I found with mine that the port really steps out with the 158 grain .357’s. Makes it very easy to shoot. Much less recoil than with the 3 inch 686 with the same ammo.
You make tack driving look easy. Appreciate the video and have a happy Easter.
Thanks Keith. Same to you!
Good video. I'm a little disappointed in S&W for such a heavy trigger pull. Regardless of the smoothness of the pull most people would shake like a dog trying to pass a peach pit with an eleven lbs trigger. Blessings
I tend to disagree with that. Although I prefer a lighter trigger also, the smoothness makes all the difference. Having scratchy stages while pulling back a double action hammer is worst than a heavy but smooth action. In my experience anyway.
If Colt can make a non stacking, glass smooth 8 lb trigger pull on their mass produced guns, there is no reason the "Performance Center" shouldn't be able to do the same.
Gott Love those S&W Irons...Owned plenty shot plenty Regret selling Plenty...now out of my price range..But I am hanging on to my 5906 Gen 3 for life.....great series great Video...Semper Fi....
Thanks Bill, Semper Fi!
HR,
Really good review of the Carry Comp revolver. Just a couple of thoughts. For the front sight, you might try putting some red paint or red fingernail polish (check with your wife about that one) on the front sight. To lighten the action, get a Wolff spring kit for S&W K,L, and N frames. They're easy to install and cost about 15 dollars. They will make the trigger pull just about what you would like. That's all I've got today. Keep up the good work.
Cheers,
Zeke
Thanks Zeke! Will do.
@@hrfunk Let me know how that spring kit works out for you. Wolff is in Pennslyvania, so they're not very far away. And they do have two f's in their name. That's not a typo.........lol
It's interesting, I have a snub nose .38 that I honestly struggle to shoot accurately with, but my Bersa Thunder .380 or Glock 26 in 9mm I can shoot relatively quickly from the draw and more accurately. I suppose it's a matter of training more than anything. But I've always felt the snubby (while super easy to carry) was for short range to point blank duty, beyond that you're really not safe to assume you'll hit your target. I do love my Taurus 65 that I picked up out of the used gun counter of my local shop about a year ago for a steal. Really a fun gun to shoot and easy to reload on the range without fiddling around and having to load 15 round magazines, etc. Good video series.
Thank you!
I've been considering purchasing a 3" 357 Mag. Thanks for the great information.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Nice video. Could you describe the low light muzzle flash please?
I don’t think I’ve shot this one in a low light setting yet. I’m have to give it a try and get back to you.
HR I finally picked mine up today Smith revolvers have been thin in my 2 LGS
I’m glad you found one!
Hey HR, great video. I’m curious as to whether you’ve considered a Wilson Combat (or similar) spring kit for your Carry Comp. I consider their spring kits essential for j-frames. I’ll bet it would make a world of difference.
No, the action on my Carry Comp has broken in quite nicely.
Once again that's an excellent revolver, H.R.!
Thank you!
Nice shooting, HR, and i am SO pleased that the final shot qualified the Carry Comp as a certified Tack Driver. I also laughed, nodded my head in agreement, and GREATLY appreciated your closing Glock remarks. And I’m certain the Carry Comp will be an entirely successful part of your EDC rotation, even if its panache isn’t quite as visible as Combat Magnums,’ for many decades; it’s - positively - a very fine and eminently practical revolver, which should serve well for generations.
Do you plan routinely to load the top=tier .357 magnum JHPs? I ask because (for some years now) I have been using HOT - usually Buffalo Bore - 38 Special +P’s in my 2.25 inch barrel SP101 and my 4.0 inch barrel GP100’s (however, when I rarely carry my five inch N Frames, I generally load 158 and 125 grain .357 magnums). My thinking is potent +P’s will do the job and both the recoil and the acoustic signature will be significantly reduced.
Enjoy the Carry Comp; fwiw, I would feel entirely comfortable with it in ANY non-LEO/security situation.
I haven’t decided on a carry load yet. For years I’ve carried my K-frame magnums with Remington 125 grain .357 Golden Saber. That’s a mid-range magnum load that hits a little harder than a .38 +P, but it doesn’t batter the revolver (or the shooter) like full-power ammo. Unfortunately, I’m not entirely sure that load is still made. Corbon, I believe, has something similar, so I might look into that.
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Remington’s likely discontinuation (and I confirmed that was probably factual on several internet sites) of their 125 gain, .357 magnum, Golden Saber (ammunition and projectiles) is really disappointing. For decades, that was my unusual magnum option and I believe it remains a VERY reliable, accurate and effective load.
HR you may try CYLINDER and SLIDE extreme duty rear sights. Better sight picture and built like a monument, you can get them with or without white dots.
Thanks Robert!
Greetings from California. Thank you for the good review hrfunk, not a lot of TH-camrs have reviews on this firearm. I recently purchased this firearm, and I can’t wait for my background check to clear so I can shoot it.
P.S. your review inspired me to purchase this revolver. Keep up the good work!
I hope you really like it. Be sure to let me know what you think of it after you get a chance to work with it.
Nice range report. I have to give it to you shooting the test using .357 Magnum. I can only shoot a few rounds of it in my guns before my hands yell stop! Interesting you shoot the DA so well given it's poundage. It must be very smooth to compensate. Thanks for the video!
You’re welcome!
I want one of those guns so bad, I've got a model 15 combat masterpiece but it's no magnum, I wonder though how well a ported gun carries as far as it staying clean.
So far, I haven’t noticed a problem with that.
Wash the Glock off? I know the feeling! I'd practice with my issued Glock 22 and then reward myself by shooting my 1911 off-duty gun. It's hard to say how much the comp or Magna-porting helps, but you sure were smooth on that multiple adversary drill. You were quick, the side-to-side transition was smooth, and you didn't throw anything high by firing a follow-up shot while still recovering from the recoil of the previous shot. So the extra cost of the compensator seems to be worth it.
Thanks Frank. That drill felt very good with the Carry Comp.
This is next on my list.
Put a spring kit in there, change the rear blade, and front sight. Dunnzo
I found Winchester 140gr with the barnes solid copper bullet gets out of my 2.5” 686 at over 1100fps if I remember correctly.
Spring kits don’t work well in newer S&W revolvers. They tend to misfire quite a bit.
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Really!? That’s surprising…. I wouldn’t of thought that.
Maybe the new sprung firing pin?
I resprung my 642-2 which is pretty new and it is great… that is quite a different bird all together though.
Yes, I can’t speak for the newer J-frames, but the changes to the hammer and the move to an internal firing pin on the larger revolvers are probably the reasons.
Perhaps install some slightly lighter WOLF springs lighten up the double action pull a little without affecting reliability
The longer I shoot this revolver and the more I dry-fire it, the better the trigger feels. I may have to retest it.
Gave my comment some thought, the Carry Comp is the modern version of the 19. And I agree with you, it just isn't what it was. But if I was forty or fifty years younger, I might not know the elegance of the S&W revolvers without the -dash-. Functionally, it passes muster and will probably last a lifetime. That is a fact, my opinion is the differences reflect the economic goals of today. Of course, I thought the joke at the end was funny. But then, I don't own a glock.
Great Video, what kind of factory Ammo did you find accurate in the pistol?
It seems to shoot everything pretty well. I don’t think I’ve found a particular factory load that’s a lot more accurate than others. I carry it with a Remington 125 grain load.
Many Thanks
You are most welcome!
Many recommend that for shorter barrel revolvers your results are better with lighter bullets that use fast burning powders. Have you heard of this? If you re-load I've had great accuracy by using better quality bullets like Nosler, Hornady, or Speer. Those powder coated lead bullets come from suppliers that use lead with no consistency in Brinell. Would you agree?
I believe the faster burning powders are more efficient in shorter barrels than slow burning powders.
I have loaded .357’s with all of those bullets and I tend to like Hornady XTP’s and Nosler JHP’s the best. I don’t think I’ve ever used a powder coated lead bullet but I’ve used many of the hard cast variety.
I enjoyed the video very much and watched it with my model 66-2 in hand. The question that I have has nothing to do with the revolver but has to do with the vest that you are wearing. make model and where I might find one please?
Thanks Theodore. I bought the vest a couple of years ago from Duluth trading Company. I don't know if they still offer this same one, but they probably have something similar these days.
Have you changed the sights? Are you packin' this revolver? Thanks and Blessings!
No, I have the same sights and I do pack it.
Glock hater here... Will purchase either one of these or a 66-8 4.25" by end of year. Still not sure which one. Thank you for the review.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Check to see what the test barrel length was. If might have been a 6" barrel.
I checked the website. It didn’t specify a test barrel length.
@@hrfunk I know ammo companies usually use a 4" barrel for 9mm but not being a revolver guy I don't know what the use for .357. There used to be a site called ballistics by the inch but I don't know if it is still up.
Great review..i just bought this same revolver based on your honest,truthful reviews.keep up the good work 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you. How do you like the Carry Comp?
Glad you're enjoying the carry comp, front sight with the comp still looks snaggledtoothed, though. 🤷🏻♂️
Great shooting brother--Enjoyed the entire review!
I am glad you did. Thanks for watching Sean!
You may have a lot better results with Hornady 125g XTP , with 2400 Alliant & small magnum primers if the Fin ever get all that in. Also, I was looking at it also at BMT.
Congratulations on retiring from the Amish buggy speed trap.
Just up the tracks.
I also much prefer my hands to be "clean." In the previous age from the "last century," an "arch adjustment" of the hammer spring and a careful adjustment of the strain screw length, possibly a new screw, would have been in order, all keeping in mind the intended purpose of the firearm. Best Regards!
Thanks Patrick!
Did you consider the 586 carry comp? It holds seven rounds. Have you thought about a trijicon dot front sight with a shallow v rear sight?
I did consider the 586, but I opted for the smaller revolver as a carry piece. I'm still evaluating front sights. If I make a change I'll let everyone know what I get. Thanks for watching!
Comment: I have handled two M19 Classics side by side in gun store and one double action felt very tight and the other felt a lot lighter and easier. I’ve found mixed comments on that from other youtube channels. Does not sound like the factory is necessarily consistent.
Question: after putting hundreds of rounds through it at any one time before cleaning, have you suffered any cylinder rotation failures as hickok.45 did in his first review of the M19 Classic? Some commentary had said that buildup around the new ball and detent lockup on the cylinder crane causes this.
Good review. I’m hoping to get a M19 Classic one day. Been wanting a 4 inch blued S&W combat magnum for 17 years.
I haven’t had any rotation failures (yet). Hopefully I won’t.
I have a few thousands rounds down range with my 66-8 2.75 with that new lock up and have not had an issue. But I clean my revolvers after I shoot them.
I love those grips, do you know the part number for that color?
No, I am sorry but I do not. If you go to their website, you should be able to find them.
Impressive shooting
Thank you!
Do you think you can do a comparison against the K6S (DASA) (3")?
I don’t know if I can get one. If I do, I’m sure I’ll compare it to some other revolvers.
Thank you for responding!@@hrfunk
Problem is your spoiled! You were around when they were made the right way! Thankfully so was I, and lucky enough to have bought me and mine enough to last us for a good long while!
👍 nice shooting nice revolver.
Mr. Funk, how does the performance center trigger pull compare to stock S&W triggers? Do you think the additional cost to upgrade to a PC version is worth the added cost?
The PC trigger is as smooth out of the box as the older revolvers are after many thousands of cycles. That’s really what you’re getting with an action job. Unfortunately, the Carry Comp’s trigger is also heavier. The springs in the new revolver might eventually relax to the point where the pull-weight is reduced. If so, that will take some time. As to weather the PC revolvers are worth the additional cost, that is a question each buyer must make. For me, I’m glad I bought the Carry Comp.
Well, nothing wrong with it that some relatively minor modification won't solve... a good polish job on the internals to lighten that trigger, and maybe replace the sights. As previously noted, not major issues, but shouldn't be necessary on a PC gun. Irritating, yes, but not a deal breaker. Just reminds us this AIN'T the good 'ol days!
Loved that dis at the Glock.....
No, unfortunately this ain't the good old days. Still, I am pretty happy with this revolver. Thanks for watching Dale!
Can you feel the ported barrel difference or would it feel about that of a 686 -6
The ported barrel tends to focus the recoil impulse into your palm. There is less muzzle rise.
Formation is at 0800.
How does the m19cc handle 15-25yd shots?
Quite well. I’ll see if I can get it out on the range for some extended shots.
How much reduction of muzzle flip would you say the comp gives you? like a percentage compared to the 3inch k frame?
Also, does it increase the concussion in the air you feel by much? what %?
And any increase in noise?
Thanks for the video! I'm interested in one of these so I like to know what im getting myself into =)
I didn’t notice any difference in noise or blast. As far as muzzle rise reduction goes, that’s hard to say. I could tell there was less muzzle rise than with my uncompensated Model 19, but I can’t give you any kind of percentage.
@@hrfunk do you think the comp is worth it over the 2.75in 66 they currently make? They are very similar functionality wise.
I am not sure I can make that determination for you. I can tell you there is a noticeable reduction in recoil. As to whether that justifies the additional expense for you, I really can’t say.
Is it a tack driver? I suspect it will be.
Most revolvers are "tack drivers". Think about it, the barrel is fixed. even if the sights are off, the bullet will fly true each time. There is also no mass, i.e., the slide, moving back and forth to throw off recoil management. Lastly, the relatively heavy DA pull forces you to stay on target longer and provides less strength to your wrists through the trigger pull - meaning you HAVE to pull the trigger straight back to the rear.
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I obviously understand your point, but the firearm is only a portion of the full equation. There is also the ammunition, the sights’ alignment. sometimes weather conditions (high crosswinds, for example), and - most critically - the shooter.
@@roykiefer7713 Yes, true. But you asked specifically about the firearm ("Is it a tack driver?") itself not weather, ammo, or the shooter.
I have the L-Comp version and it’s not. I think it’s the moon clip somehow. I wish it had a regular cylinder
That Glock filth is horrible, LOL. 🤣 Just used the hrfunk code for a big purchase at OP again.
Good! I hope you saved a bundle. Thanks for watching!
'I've been considering acquiring one of the rhino revolvers, what do you think about them, have you tried one??
I have handled them but never fired one. Sorry, I can’t really give you a comparison.
@@hrfunk just wondered about what you thought. thank u sir.
Sigh, I will be in physical therapy at that time...sorry to miss the usual congregation. Geoff Whose knee is new and both legs need work...lots of work.
Sorry Geoff. We’ll miss you.
You can lower the double action trigger pull to about 7.5 lbs. by changing the trigger rebound spring to a 10 lb one. The factory spring is overkill at about 14 to 15 lbs. Realistically due to weight, size, capacity and cost it's not a practical choice for concealed carry.
S&W changed the lock-work of their revolvers several years ago. Since then, it seems that reducing the mainspring power is more likely to induce misfires. As far as realistic/practical carry goes, I’ll say that when I opt to carry this revolver I don’t feel particularly vulnerable to attack.
@@hrfunk Not the hammer spring (leaf spring), change the rebound spring (coil spring that returns the trigger forward) and polish the rebound slide.
@@notgiven4799 Polishing of the rebound slide and the frame area that it moves against should be part of the "Performance Center" tuning. I highly doubt any polishing is required. That said, a slightly lighter trigger return spring may be in order. Not too light though or things get thrown out of wack. Not functionally. It just feels weird.
@@Fudmottin The era of hand fitting and polishing parts is gone. The tolerances of most parts allows for drop in install, that being said even with identical parts, some new revolvers will have better actions than others. Most newer Smith and Wesson L, K and N frames will benefit from switching to an 10 or 11 lb. rebound spring. A small amount of Lubriplate thin grease works well on the rebound slide after polishing. The 11 lb. rebound spring reduces the trigger pull and still provides good snap back.
@@notgiven4799 Even in the age of CNC and MIM, tolerance stacking is still a thing. The whole reason for the Performance Center is to pick the parts and give them an extra once over and such to make sure the best gun possible goes out the door. That said, their jobs should be easier. It really makes me wonder why HRF had to return his revolver to be fixed out of the gate.
I am about to purchase one and give it another try. Give smith a second chance.
Be sure too watch all the videos in this series.
@@hrfunk I think I did
@@hrfunk have you had any other problems?
@acevent5759 Not since it came back from the warranty repair.
Help me please. What is the difference Bethe difference between the model 19 and the model 66?
The model 19 is made of blued carbon steel. The model 66 is rendered in stainless steel. Otherwise they are identical.
Another gun to buy!
What is the average number of shots fired during a civilian armed confrontation, as per police studies? Should a citizen carry a revolver or a high-capacity polymer 'Wonder 9'?
I’m not sure there has ever been a credible study to determine that. At best, there have been limited studies and in some instances I think numbers have just been “invented.” Even were there a definitive number, I don’t think I would pay much attention to the “average” because a specific incident might deviate from that number significantly. My advice is to train with your chosen firearm and carry the amount of ammunition that makes you feel comfortable.
@@hrfunk In reality, would a citizen engage in a gun fight in which he would need to fire more than a few rounds? If he needed 10-15 rounds, he would be in serious jeopardy!
Agreed. When I elect to carry one of my revolvers or a lower capacity semi-auto I don’t fell overly vulnerable. I do, however, base my handgun selection upon the places my daily travels will take me.
@@johnzajac9849 These days, you could be leaving a Wally World and find yourself swarmed by attackers on a "wilding" rampage or "peaceful protest," or pulled out of your car by such a mob while waiting for a red light. I don't feel comfortable without at least 16-18 rounds, but YMMV.
@@hrfunk Good point! Location matters!
Washing off glock is like Lady Macbeth trying to wash off blood. It kind of stays with you.
lol
Look up TK customs for that revolver , they will get rid of that lock and those mim parts and give u a trigger job ! With that being said ! I think ur revolver is a good looking pistol with a certain cool factor , and I was considering purchasing one but 😂 what kills it for me is the trigger lock 🔐 the finish , the MIM parts , the drilling completely thru the top strap and S&W quality of late , plus a hefty price tag ! For me I will spend a couple of hundred more dollars and find an older one that will just go up in value , great shooting by the way , I really enjoy ur videos !
At least Glock doesn't ship new guns with scratched frames and gouged barrels.
If they did, it’s likely no one would notice or even care.
Does this conceal alot better than a 686?
I would say it conceals a little better . Not a lot.
I've owned one Glock my entire life, and it was only because I gave my son a pristine Model 66-1 4" last year, and he insisted on giving me a gun (19 Gen 5 MOS) in return. He already has it back. After 1 range trip, I'd had enough Glock to last a lifetime, and even my Nighthawk Custom 1911 has failed to remove the taint from my hands, and the disgust from my psyche. I'm still laughing at the ending of this video, though!
I'm going to be a pain in your backside and again point you towards the Barnes TAC-XPD 125 grain all copper hollow point, rated at 1200 FPS in a 2" barrel. You'll get about 1250 or so out of your carry comp, and you'll be surprised by the low recoil. I switched to those from 125 grain 357 Golden Sabres, and they are fairly comparable as far as recoil is concerned, but I doubt you'd get more than 1100 FPS (if even that) out of a snubby with the GS rounds. I haven't seen them for quite some time, but I still have a hundred or two rounds of it laying around, just in case I get desperate for 357 ammo, lol. They're great in a 4", IMO.
Sounds like a few Wolf springs and you're a happy camper. Nice to see a happy end to a story that began so disappointingly!
Thanks. It looks like Corbon is also making a similar .357 load. I'm still evaluating potential carry ammo, so I'll look into the Barnes load too.
It still seems a bit big for concealed carry.
So much of that depends upon your attire.
You don't have a problem with a four pound single action pull on this special model? I would send any S&W revolver back to the factory with this plus the awful double action pull. I have several classic S&W revolvers from the "good old days" with fabulous triggers that can shoot two inch groups at fifty yards. Have you ever shot one of these? What has happened to the gun industry??
The same thing, it seems, that has happened to all other manufacturing.
That revolver is cursed. It’s got a Hillary trigger, and a Hillary hole! 😬
Maybe I should check it for some emails.
@@hrfunk maybe you won’t get hurt mysteriously in a work out accidentally 🤣
I would use extreme caution when exercising it just to be on the safe side
I agree about the glocks...lol
How you been, weather sucks in marshaville ohio to. I'm trying to join canalfultom ram rod club. To shoot muzzleloader.
I’m not familiar with that club, but I hope you get in and enjoy shooting there.
Cool
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Quick overdosing on Coffee before hitting the range...Just kidding! I am glad the Carry Comp is working as it should.
Glocks have Cooties?
Colt single action army will wash that off also.
Yep, I think one of them would work right nicely.
You can pick up some Glockout at your local Sig dealer.
Why y'all hating on Glocks! Lol
There’s just something about this revolver I don’t like …it shoots low first off which is so bad it’s kinda ugly too
I’m sorry to say that the cylinder (after the refinish) doesn’t match the finish on the rest of your pistol :(
That might be an anomaly caused by the light or camera. I don’t see any difference when looking at it in person.
@@hrfunk good 😃
Wash that Glock right out of your hands! LOL. I bet that gun would be even more of a tack driver with good ammunition. Odd that they would load it to 38 Spl levels and call it magnum. I don't know if you do your own hand loads, but XTP bullets do make inexpensive components for what they are. They are only about twice the price of the cheapest stuff I've seen out there which I wouldn't put through one of my firearms. Maybe I'm a bit of a snob!
I don't know if the springs will lighten up with use or not. On my 66-8, I did install a lighter spring kit. Then I started getting excessive light strikes. So I restored the original main spring and also installed a longer firing pin. A belt and suspenders approach if you will. I did leave in the lightened trigger return spring. My 3" 629-5 pre-lock has about the best trigger I've ever had on anything. I would love to pull a Performance Center trigger to see what that's like.
That's an issue with these newer revolvers in the spring kits. It is not uncommon to have light primer strikes. For that reason, I am going to keep the factory springs in this revolver. Still, thanks for the suggestion!
@@hrfunk One thing I discovered doing some research into the possibility of using small rifle primers in place of small pistol primers is that some companies do use thicker cups in the rifle primers. CCI 450 primers are a lot different from the 500/550 primers. Given the current climate, maybe S&W is going for an extra hard wack on the primer for reliability. That is of course just speculation on my part. I have also seen factory new ammunition where the primers were not fully seated. The firing pin can seat them the rest of the way without setting them off.
Lol nice!
Freedom munitions ammo damaged my rifle, way over pressure. They did nothing for me. I would never shoot their ammo through one of my firearms.
I don’t blame you. It’s odd that the ammo I was using was so underpowered.
Glunk / Junk!! Real guns or death.
Get some deer gutting gloves that extend above elbows to touch at glock. Remember to keep at glock out of your gun safe so it don't ooze on m 1911s.
That comment was worth watching 3 videos. 🤣😂☺😉.
That's it! Those are the gloves I need! Quick I need a website link.
Thank God you got the glock off your hands. Try a colt 1911 to get that awful plastic shaken off.
That will be the next thing I use!
Sorry HR the details of the pistol and shooting was what I wanted to see not a history lesson , I seem to be shaky a lot lately but 4 bulged disc in my neck doesn’t help
Sorry to hear about that. I hope you can still enjoy shooting.