Gonsalo HE is bugged. Usually non-pen damage for HE is half of the listed damage, but for gonsalo, the nonpen damage is half of CALIBAN'S HE damage instead.
I'm sure I read somewhere that it's also bugged in dealing module damage, it happens at a much more significant frequency with Gonsalo and WG missed it before release.
I am sorry but all HE with the exception of arty HE WILL ALWAYS PEN unless you shoot spaced armor or tracks then it will get absorbed. HE never was like before the HE changes.
The Gonsalo has a HE bug where WG copy pasted Caliban stats. When you don't pen it counts at 152mm calibre with HE so when you hit 50mm plate (overmatch) you do half the Caliban HE damage which is 425 and ignores all armor thickness and just deals 425 with +/-25% RNG as usual.
That's actually interesting to know, because the 'lowrolls' that are not penetrations should be like 60-80 damage but it's not, it's quite higher, being above 350 in many occasions, which is wild. It makes the tank very consistent.
any tanks "lost in battle" should have all it's potential credits and exp given to whoever last did damage to it or to the closest enemy. That way drowning or the such does not "deny the enemy exp and credits". I have seen games where only 4 tanks have been killed and they then say in chat "team is bad" and then drown themselves with the game ending up very close anyways.
Always remember to make a ticket with your replay with customer support when people (enemy or allies) drown/suicide their tank. It's considered physics abuse and is a 3-day ban for a first offense and if they get caught too many times they can have their account deleted I know it's super tedious to have to open your browser and login to support and make a ticket every time it happens, but we should all be doing it
The problem with the Caliban is, why would you play it when the BZ-176 exists at the same tier? The BZ has 800 out of the 850 alpha of the Caliban. And for only 50 less alpha, you get 225 instead of 180 pen, a larger explosion radius, a higher caliber for overmatching, over double the shell velocity, more accuracy in all stats, much better armor, almost the same mobility, and 50 more health. The BZ is better in almost every way. I've seen people sniping with it at distances the Caliban could only dream of. The only advantage of the Caliban is that you can use the final shot to get some extra damage off before dying.
for me caliban is more fun to play. I hit patriot for 1000 in huldown behind hill from 3rd person (400m +)with Caliban. Also clip give you fear factor and you can jolo kill every 8 tier heavy.
I like the Caliban. It's way better mobility than BZ (asside from BZ rockets), and also has great AP round 292 pen with 600 damage. I refuse to play my BZ it's too OP.
I mean ask the same question for just about every other HT premium at tier VIII? BZ is widely regarded to be the best. Caliban is a meme machine, fun to play (imo) but wildly inconsistent.
BZ is just a very hate-able meme tank. I once blew up a BZ176 by shooting at one of the coupla on top of turret. the lower lower plate weakspot is the greatest bullshit, when i aim very carefully at a BZ driving right in front of me, he would just press rocket and his enitre tank just jerk up and i either miss or bounce. 9 times out of 10 BZ would do absolutely nothing in game except annoying the shit out of you. if the BZ had a proper gun than it is over, the meme cannon is what keeping it from more OP and stays a meme. its mostly the tier 12 armor doing all the work. meanwhile BZ75 at tier 10 gets 5x worst armor because reasons.
The engine fire was a tad fortunate. However, you deliberately aimed at the engine deck, so you gave yourself the best possible chance for something fortunate to happen. Still a good example of skill, imo. Well done as always, Mr. Nutz!
If I take my own experiences into account, arty vision nerf in combination with CVS might also be responsible for many player to not even try one last desperate shot. In the "good old" arty days I would plot the possible enemy advance, would use a single bush to hide and just try, either the enemy is dead (if low health) or you are dead, fair and square. And even if the enemy has full health before your hit, congrats, at least extra damage. Nowadays my arties often just get killed without ever seeing the enemy tank once (of course shotgunning in city maps is still kinda possible).
You say the Gonsalo has nothing special. It actually does. It shares the same 203 module damage of the Caliban. Which is the absolute highest you can get on any heavy tank in the game. Shared between the Bz, 60tp, 705a. And only the BZ, and O-ho on its own tier. But due to its 440 alpha nature has the highest rate of fire out of any of those guns. Most Fueltanks have 200 hp. And so do a lot of ammoracks without the safe stowage perk.
they should introduce punishments for suicides by arty... a) inability to dmg itself by self-splash b) increase repair cost to arty due to self-splash and/or drowning c) games ending with suicide generate no xp/credits for the battle
take a look into the gonsalo game files. the gun stats. for HESH, the stats are copied from caliban:) HESH rounds have 160 caliber gun and non pen HESH should be 275, but is is from caliban, so it is 425:) so yeah, that might be a reason, why this tank work;) For AP rounds it is normal, caliber 120. but, halved HESH dam is 425 and AP dam is 440. So you if you find a plate that is thinner than 53mm, you will do same dam with non pen HESH, that you would do with the penning AP (HE and HESH also have an overmatch ;).
Yes Dez, this tank is underrated... one of my favourite... good to see it get some attention... gg Is that any surprise that an arty player was a toxic loser? P.S. The camo sucks btw... :)
sad thing the arty player throw away the battle for his team without even trying. and yes, sad thing too many arty players do so in drowning or blowing up themselfs. truth is one on one in the arty versus any else than arty your most likely not the one i wld bet on, but sometimes... when the opponent is a one shot and you have a nice big bush to hide... boom and the day is yours.
didn't know this thing is that OP. i thought its the same as the caliban. looks like you can be brain dead and be good in this thing. at least the arty gave you the W, it is very possible for Lorr arty to go shotgun mode and kill you or just hide behind double bush and out camo you and kill you.
Happily Gonsalo is NOT Caliban, i would choose Gonsalo any time over Caliban. Gonsalo is not op, just to derpy gun at least at longer ranges, no great armor, average speed for heavy and the 3 man crew - at least up to 1.26 update - puts lot of pressure on the choice of perks. and if you want a tank with higher ap-pen and ap-damage and more armor and less pressure on crew... VK75.01 is your choice hahahaha. No, Gonsalo is NOT OP
@@edelmann4388 240 penetration is pretty OP at tier 8 to be honest, tier 8 heavies average like 220 penetration (only T34 has higher penetration I think) and quite a few tier X heavies only got like 24x penetration. turret armor okay good with small coupla, upper plate decent, standard lower plate weakspot, over all quite healthy at tier 8. not huge, gun handling better than paper stats. pretty huge alpha at tier 8 when 390 was "high". dpm is not very good, but you trade this with high penetration and high alpha. but yea crew is a pain. 7501 is a bullshit tank, its just a mini maus at tier 8
If you don't scream Allahu Akbar in the chat before starting the game with the Caliban, the gun just won't work. I love this tank. 55% win rate with it.
Most tankers who suicide is because the MM screwed them again and they don't feel like doing another session of clay pigeon for pay to win gold players.
Arty players that die in any way other than by enemy hands should receive no benefit from the battle, along with a 1 day ban the first time it happens, 7 day ban they second time and a 1 month ban the third time they do it. I've seen far too many arty players that just refuse to play when they think they can't win, they just drown themselves or throw themselves off a cliff. Seriously, the game needs to turn arty into derp TDs (just like it is in war thunder) or decrease precision the closed it fires to the tanks in the front line. Of course WG is never going to do anything about it, they don't have the brains or cojones for it.
Gonsalo HE is bugged. Usually non-pen damage for HE is half of the listed damage, but for gonsalo, the nonpen damage is half of CALIBAN'S HE damage instead.
Yes, I saw that also. You get 400 dmg for non-pen HE instead of 250.
I'm sure I read somewhere that it's also bugged in dealing module damage, it happens at a much more significant frequency with Gonsalo and WG missed it before release.
I am sorry but all HE with the exception of arty HE WILL ALWAYS PEN unless you shoot spaced armor or tracks then it will get absorbed. HE never was like before the HE changes.
@@truemage3985 Pen = full damage. Less damage means it was not a pen (if it's less than minimal damage roll, so 75% of listed damage ofc)
It’s part of the reason it’s my favorite T8 Premium Heavy. It’s wonky and FUN
The Gonsalo has a HE bug where WG copy pasted Caliban stats. When you don't pen it counts at 152mm calibre with HE so when you hit 50mm plate (overmatch) you do half the Caliban HE damage which is 425 and ignores all armor thickness and just deals 425 with +/-25% RNG as usual.
That's actually interesting to know, because the 'lowrolls' that are not penetrations should be like 60-80 damage but it's not, it's quite higher, being above 350 in many occasions, which is wild. It makes the tank very consistent.
any tanks "lost in battle" should have all it's potential credits and exp given to whoever last did damage to it or to the closest enemy. That way drowning or the such does not "deny the enemy exp and credits". I have seen games where only 4 tanks have been killed and they then say in chat "team is bad" and then drown themselves with the game ending up very close anyways.
Always remember to make a ticket with your replay with customer support when people (enemy or allies) drown/suicide their tank. It's considered physics abuse and is a 3-day ban for a first offense and if they get caught too many times they can have their account deleted
I know it's super tedious to have to open your browser and login to support and make a ticket every time it happens, but we should all be doing it
The problem with the Caliban is, why would you play it when the BZ-176 exists at the same tier? The BZ has 800 out of the 850 alpha of the Caliban. And for only 50 less alpha, you get 225 instead of 180 pen, a larger explosion radius, a higher caliber for overmatching, over double the shell velocity, more accuracy in all stats, much better armor, almost the same mobility, and 50 more health. The BZ is better in almost every way. I've seen people sniping with it at distances the Caliban could only dream of. The only advantage of the Caliban is that you can use the final shot to get some extra damage off before dying.
for me caliban is more fun to play. I hit patriot for 1000 in huldown behind hill from 3rd person (400m +)with Caliban. Also clip give you fear factor and you can jolo kill every 8 tier heavy.
Tell that to everyone that didn’t get the bz the one time it was sold lol
I like the Caliban. It's way better mobility than BZ (asside from BZ rockets), and also has great AP round 292 pen with 600 damage. I refuse to play my BZ it's too OP.
I mean ask the same question for just about every other HT premium at tier VIII? BZ is widely regarded to be the best. Caliban is a meme machine, fun to play (imo) but wildly inconsistent.
BZ is just a very hate-able meme tank. I once blew up a BZ176 by shooting at one of the coupla on top of turret. the lower lower plate weakspot is the greatest bullshit, when i aim very carefully at a BZ driving right in front of me, he would just press rocket and his enitre tank just jerk up and i either miss or bounce. 9 times out of 10 BZ would do absolutely nothing in game except annoying the shit out of you. if the BZ had a proper gun than it is over, the meme cannon is what keeping it from more OP and stays a meme. its mostly the tier 12 armor doing all the work. meanwhile BZ75 at tier 10 gets 5x worst armor because reasons.
The engine fire was a tad fortunate. However, you deliberately aimed at the engine deck, so you gave yourself the best possible chance for something fortunate to happen. Still a good example of skill, imo. Well done as always, Mr. Nutz!
If I take my own experiences into account, arty vision nerf in combination with CVS might also be responsible for many player to not even try one last desperate shot. In the "good old" arty days I would plot the possible enemy advance, would use a single bush to hide and just try, either the enemy is dead (if low health) or you are dead, fair and square. And even if the enemy has full health before your hit, congrats, at least extra damage. Nowadays my arties often just get killed without ever seeing the enemy tank once (of course shotgunning in city maps is still kinda possible).
You say the Gonsalo has nothing special. It actually does. It shares the same 203 module damage of the Caliban. Which is the absolute highest you can get on any heavy tank in the game. Shared between the Bz, 60tp, 705a. And only the BZ, and O-ho on its own tier. But due to its 440 alpha nature has the highest rate of fire out of any of those guns. Most Fueltanks have 200 hp. And so do a lot of ammoracks without the safe stowage perk.
The other thing about arty is he is fast and could have just ran away for the draw
HA, knew you were cooking something! + 3:04
Arty was sick off the cc rng i think. ❤😂😢
My game is now unplayable, lolz 😂
they should introduce punishments for suicides by arty...
a) inability to dmg itself by self-splash
b) increase repair cost to arty due to self-splash and/or drowning
c) games ending with suicide generate no xp/credits for the battle
Turret dispersion is a super important stat
GG on Ghost town, nice one
🎉Thx for the video because i dont have caliban and i didnt touch gonsalo yet, now i can compare
What are your opinions on Gonsalo vs Charlemagne, they are pretty similar statwise! Which tank is your favourite?
take a look into the gonsalo game files. the gun stats. for HESH, the stats are copied from caliban:) HESH rounds have 160 caliber gun and non pen HESH should be 275, but is is from caliban, so it is 425:) so yeah, that might be a reason, why this tank work;) For AP rounds it is normal, caliber 120. but, halved HESH dam is 425 and AP dam is 440. So you if you find a plate that is thinner than 53mm, you will do same dam with non pen HESH, that you would do with the penning AP (HE and HESH also have an overmatch ;).
I bought 5 Boxes just for gold and by accident got this Gonsalo. Its not easy tank to play.
Gonsalo is o much better, Caliban is fun in Frontline.
I did not know you could still suicide by shooting yourself with arty since they removed teamdamage.
Gonsalo is fun and it is Slamming 🤩🤩🤩 I love this Tank, if it works . . . more damage with HE would be nice ;) make HE great again ;)
Wg should do something against this arty player , let's say first time ban for 1 week. And other player's when they drawn
I honestly want to buy the gonsalo now. Does anybody know when it comes back on sale?
is this a gonzalo exclusive skin? it looks too goofy i want it xD
Yes Dez, this tank is underrated... one of my favourite... good to see it get some attention... gg
Is that any surprise that an arty player was a toxic loser?
P.S. The camo sucks btw... :)
sad thing the arty player throw away the battle for his team without even trying. and yes, sad thing too many arty players do so in drowning or blowing up themselfs. truth is one on one in the arty versus any else than arty your most likely not the one i wld bet on, but sometimes... when the opponent is a one shot and you have a nice big bush to hide... boom and the day is yours.
didn't know this thing is that OP. i thought its the same as the caliban. looks like you can be brain dead and be good in this thing. at least the arty gave you the W, it is very possible for Lorr arty to go shotgun mode and kill you or just hide behind double bush and out camo you and kill you.
Happily Gonsalo is NOT Caliban, i would choose Gonsalo any time over Caliban. Gonsalo is not op, just to derpy gun at least at longer ranges, no great armor, average speed for heavy and the 3 man crew - at least up to 1.26 update - puts lot of pressure on the choice of perks. and if you want a tank with higher ap-pen and ap-damage and more armor and less pressure on crew... VK75.01 is your choice hahahaha. No, Gonsalo is NOT OP
@@edelmann4388 240 penetration is pretty OP at tier 8 to be honest, tier 8 heavies average like 220 penetration (only T34 has higher penetration I think) and quite a few tier X heavies only got like 24x penetration. turret armor okay good with small coupla, upper plate decent, standard lower plate weakspot, over all quite healthy at tier 8. not huge, gun handling better than paper stats. pretty huge alpha at tier 8 when 390 was "high". dpm is not very good, but you trade this with high penetration and high alpha. but yea crew is a pain.
7501 is a bullshit tank, its just a mini maus at tier 8
hi deezgame, you should watch the video "high explosive ammo has an overmatch mecanic" from the youtuber "incoming"
hf
The fun fact is my PR get high playing this tank 😬
Show BZ-176 too:)
arty hour?
If you don't scream Allahu Akbar in the chat before starting the game with the Caliban, the gun just won't work. I love this tank. 55% win rate with it.
Why does it work, because it's British, we just make shit work 😂
I'd buy Gonsalo but WG is not selling it so far.
Caliban is useless.
caliban is fantastic
I like my Caliban!
It's useless but fun as hell haha.
Gonsalo was on for sale ... it will return.
any player who dies on purpose should be punished. Had 8 or 9 enemies drown 1 game.
Was a little bit salty.
Most tankers who suicide is because the MM screwed them again and they don't feel like doing another session of clay pigeon for pay to win gold players.
@@danerogers9058 er no. that day a lot of them just drowned
Had so many games when someone said lost xvm says 25% win and we win 15-0
they should of just given the gun to the caliban but nah sell another tank.
Gg. Its just a next door arty enjoyer, nothing to do
Strap_On_Gun
I hate those arty players that suicide themselves.
It is just BETTER caliban, it is just BZ but balance
Gonzalo is a tank i wish i picked up, oh wait i got the bz176 lol 😂 derp! U dead! 💀
Arty players that die in any way other than by enemy hands should receive no benefit from the battle, along with a 1 day ban the first time it happens, 7 day ban they second time and a 1 month ban the third time they do it. I've seen far too many arty players that just refuse to play when they think they can't win, they just drown themselves or throw themselves off a cliff. Seriously, the game needs to turn arty into derp TDs (just like it is in war thunder) or decrease precision the closed it fires to the tanks in the front line. Of course WG is never going to do anything about it, they don't have the brains or cojones for it.
Agreed, but I’d make it for all players.
Face reveal Dez plz
They should just make World of Arty mode and remove them from Randoms ;D
very very bed
Typical arty player...