@@nasticanasta no it is more like they were just not a match period due to styles Don't try to demean EVH....... guitar playing is not a competition......... there is NO greatest of all times........or this guy is better than that guy nonsense.....
Rock needs EVH like fusion needs Holdsworth, they’re the pinnacle of each, IMO. Can you imagine rock without Eddie? What would fusion guitar aspire to if not Allan? Unthinkable .
@@nasticanasta David Westoff is VH hater all you got to do is go over all the comments to see for yourself. As for his comments, nobody on the planet is a match for Holdsworth but Eddie will come the closest by far .
I was talking to Allan at one of his gigs in LA in 1986. I told him that I had read in Guitar Player Magazine that Eddie said he felt very intimidated playing on the same stage with Allan. Allan said he felt intimidated playing on the same stage with Eddie. Yep. True story.
@@Minotauro_di_Chieti it's true. Intimidated isn't the proper word. They both said I didn't know what he was going to play. They respect each other highly
Allan was intimidated of playing with Eddie on stage only because Allan voiced concern over David Lee Roth saying he was sexually attracted to British guitar players with a mammoth finger reach. He was worried that Dave might put the moves on him on stage and it would become a viral TH-cam video. Of course, after Allan said that decades before YT existed and people asked "WTF is TH-cam?", he was considered mentally disturbed. Still a great player, but mentally disturbed. Must suck to be right about so much stuff and not get credit for it. I'm still trying to be right about anything. :(
The pictures of Eddie in the flannel shirt were taken when I was at MI in Sept 81-82. The buzz that morning was Eddie was coming in to watch the Allan Holdsworth seminar. The seminar started; no Eddie. A little while later, the back door of the room opened, in walks Eddie carrying a guitar case. No assistants, no entourage. He watched the rest of the seminar from a seat at the front of the room. When he got up to play with everyone else, it was just his guitar and the small amp behind him; the sound was still unmistakable. I was shocked that only four or five of us hung out with him while he packed up his things; just a regular guy. We walked him out to his car, which was in a public lot around the corner. His Porsche looked like it had been driven through a desert. He opened the door - empty Heineken bottles in the door pockets, cigarette butts and ash all over the interior. Rock and Roll.
With two totally different styles they both absolutely lit this jam up. Eddie playing every bit as any jazz player yet with his own style, and Allen playing his brand and killing it. This is an example of true masters of their craft as they branch out yet still deliver insane expertise.
Eddie Van Halen is my guitar hero. And I know Allen Holdsworth was one of Eddie’s favorite guitarists. So kudos to them both now jamming in heaven. We miss you both.
I know you both commented 3 years ago, but I feel that same sentiment today. EVH inspired me to play and is still the King (in my head). 3 decades later, I'm still learning from both players. I'll never come close to understanding Holdsworth. Does anybody? Love & miss them both.
These are two COMPLETELY different types of players. Allan Holdsworth will go down as a Master above masters. But Eddie is fire, fury, emotionally savage. Eddie is incredible. Alan is amazing.
I owe it to Eddie for alerting me to Allan's existence. I grabbed the UK album, closely followed by "One Of A Kind" (both mentioned by Eddie in his Guitar Player cover story interview) and eventually got the Tony Williams Lifetime albums. My life was changed forever and I still loved Eddie and Van Halen for being the best at what they did, even after hearing the genius of Allan Holdsworth. In an age where internet shredders go out of their way to deny acknowledging who they ripped most of their stuff off from in the interests of boosting their online profile (and also monetized profits), I thinks it's amazing that Eddie, at the absolute peak of his fame, went out of his way to draw attention to the humble Englishman that would open our ears and minds to a musical universe unheard until his existence. I first heard Dave Chappelle say this and it applies to no-one more than Allan. “The mark of greatness is when everything before you is obsolete, and everything after you bears your mark.”
Brett - I remember hearing you for the first time on one of those tear-out vinyl records that Guitar Player (or Guitar World?) used to insert into their magazines - way back in the late 80s/early 90s. It was a LIVE solo... similar to the one that you do on the John Farnham video here on YT. That solo FLOORED ME! Still to this day - LOVE your playing and songs!
Same here. I read the Guitar Player interview in March or April 1980 where EVH mentioned Allan. Then I went out and bouth Tony Williams Lifetime (1st), Jean Luc Ponty (Enigmatic Ocean), and Bill Bruford (One of a Kind), and I became immersed in the Master. Then I went to see Allan Holdsworth with I.O.U. Live at the Bottom Line in NYC in NYC. Greatest display of virtuostic guitar laying I have ever seen to this day - and have seen many of the greats, including EVH, Stanley Jordan, Steve Morse, Al DiMeola, etc.
I wanted to write about my feelings about the work of Allan and the loss of him. I wrote a lot, but I erased it, and now all I say is "Allan, I miss you! I wish more people had had an open ear for the sensational music you have created".
Perfect distinction between Eddie Van Halen and Allan Holdsworth's playing style. I wanted Eddie to develop as a musician and hope that Eddie comes back on a 'musicians only' tour in 2019.
My guitar teacher jammed with Alan Holdsworth. Alan said , “no recording” , but My teacher couldn’t resist, and hid a recorder behind something, and is a treasured memory from all his Students.
@MorbidManMusic Remains I had the tape for years and actually was going to when I saw this one ‘but have lost it (damn!) where you at this gig ..I was at GIT ..and bumped into Eddie and Allan on Hollywood blvd ...also have tapes of Steve Morse with the Dixie dregs as a trio..
Well ain't this the best thing I've heard in forever....Eddie and Allan... What a treat to listen to these guys talk back and forth...I miss both you guys RIP
Love them both. Eddie for taking rock guitar to the next level and exposing right hand tapping as no one did before, sort of what Frank Gambale did for sweep picking, and Allan for inventing the legato left hand playing he is known for.
@@TheAgentAssassin yup.....he brought the D-tuna, brown sound, string slapping rock riffs like mean street and beginning of this vid, the wolfgang guitar, rise of the floyd rose, tap harmonics used musically together, volume swelling (catherdral), power drill sounds through pick ups (poundcake) de-tune tone, cool flange and phase effects and on and on.
@@Briman24 flange, phase, and volume swells existed before Eddie. He started Guitar Wars, but don't take credit away from people that did that before him.
I don't know if this has been said since I haven't read all the comments so far, but EVH loved Allan, so much so that around the time of this video (1983) Eddie got him a record on Warner Bros, produced by Ted Templeman, called Road Games, which is a must have. That EVH spirit is so apparent here as he mixes it up with the late great Holdsworth. Anyone would be intimidated by AH, and with plenty of good reasons! But true rocker as he is, Eddie brought all he had to the table here...you can feel it. It's exhilarating. Of course, no human guitarist could hang out with Holdsworth. But Eddie? The kid had heart.
Ian Ballard is absolutely right! EVH was very humble towards Holdsworth and helped him get IOU out on Warner Brothers! Thank you, Eddie, for your humility and graciousness! You were a true buddha!
...Between the 2 of them, Allen is the guy who has more to work with & seamlessly plays what he wants on demand....Eddie plays what he hears rattling around in his head at any given time....2 different approaches that work well for each, both know music (Allen probably a bit more) but more importantly produce "their sound" that is instantly recognizable as their own. Great stuff by both.
Velvet Darkness and Road Games……played them both 1000s of times over the las 40 years, nothing like them. Too bad that noone else in Racine Wisconsin as heard of him all of these years until some friends of mine met him and jammed with him at some jazz fest in Washington State. So fn good
I doubt a person could fall asleep playing the way EVH plays. His style is all about energy and joy. If you fall asleep you are not playing it right. :)
Thanks for posting this. I love hearing these old rare vintage jams. I wish we had the video footage. Man with todays pocket/phone cams in the old days. What footage we would have. :D
Anyone who hears this video sound can tell when Eddie Van Halen is playing even if they never heard of him before But unless you are a fan of Alan holdsworth you can't tell when he's playing, it just sounds like some random jazz guitarist having a bad day, lol. Allan holdsworth is severely overrated
@Samí Warrior It's been 2 weeks since king Edward Van Halen passed away and millions of people around the world are still in disbelief mourning his death When Allan holdsworth died... Nobody gave two shits about him, lol.
Beyond all the comments, comparisons, etc....the common theme in all of Eddie's photos is that smile. This man loved playing guitar and it projected from him in sound waves of joy.
That was really interesting to hear, how both of these guitar innovators interpreted the groove and feel of this jam..the only thing for anyone to do is appreciate both of these one offs of the guitar world, there will never be another of either..They both changed how we viewed the instrument and how we played. Awesome post, I didn't even know that there was a recording of Alan and Eddie playing together, very kool!!!
Wow! I remember that show. ROXY! Funny thing is we were YELLIN' Vallerie before Eddie got on stage. Long night "IOU" Jeff Berlin classic. It was another HOLLYWOOD moment. Glad I remember. Robbie,Robert,Mark.
This is around the time that Eddie hooked Allan up with Warner Bros. & Ted Templeman to do the "Road Games" EP. They were clearly hanging out a lot. Listening back to "1984" (the subsequent VH album) Allan's influence seems REALLY obvious now! Check out the long, abstract, twisty lead lines in Top Jimmy, Girl Gone Bad, Drop Dead Legs... All of it really! Nice to join up the historical dots! Thanks for posting!
What also needs to be appreciated is that Ed turned up on Allan's turf and played Allan's style of music - improvising all the way. Not only does he deserve massive props for that - regardless of the sneering comments from many on this video - but he more than held his own, too. As great as Holdsworth was, as much as he knew about music, he couldn't compete on Ed's turf. The sneery people commenting on this video will try and pass that of as being beneath Allan, that rock music is too simplistic for his talent but the truth of the matter is great players should be able to adapt - as Ed did when jamming with Allan - and that easier music is just that: easier. The chordal tones, the rhythm, the opportunity to play singable and memorable lines that don't require a degree in theory or a love for the atonal. Allan has said many times that he wouldn't be able to do that and was ewually in awe of Ed for beign able to do what he did - the magic that he pulled out at the drop of a hat such as his reckless abandon of Beat It to the pseudo-sax free-flowing at the end of Top Jimmy to the melodic masterclass of Love Walks In (middle and outro solos). As much as Allan knew more music theory (and despite the myths, Ed was no slouch either, having studied jazz theory at college) music is all in the ears not on the page and not only was Ed a master, even at such a young age, of pop sensibility and rock flair (in fact he created pretty much everything we now take for granted - from technique to pickups to amps to bridges) but he also played aoutie the lines, blurred scales and modes and ventured into jazz territory quite often whilst making it fit the pop/rock song structure. Now THAT is genius. And as for Pat Methey, he said of Eddie: "really think he is a great player and someone I always enjoy hearing. there was a time i went to vh shows as much as possible just to check him out. one time, i got to go back before a show and hear him warm up - which was absolutely mind blowing - he played more incredible music in that 30 minutes of warmup time than he did in the all the vh "shows" that i heard rolled together. he is so creative - it would be great to hear him expand into other areas - especially now that "heavy metal" is about as dead as it could possibly be (who would have thought that that would happen in 1984?) eddie is more like a jazz guy anyway to me - he is always searching for sounds and ideas".
One of the better and more even-handed comments I've read in a while. Both of these men were amazing musicians, and rare gems. The world is richer for them both having practiced their art in front of us.
Both are/were from another universe. Both made huge impacts on how the instrument would be played thereafter. I personally gave up comparisons between players decades ago. Both Allan and Eddie are legends, and this is coming from a lowly bass player! BTW, I really enjoyed hearing Jeff Berlin absolutely kill on his bass on this Jam! He was more than playing bass, he was manning a damn flamethrower!!!
This is Eddie's turf. They're playing a simple rock progression. Eddie even claims to have come up with the riff with Jeff Berlin. Allan's style is not simple rock progressions. His music incorporated the intricacies of jazz (modulations, tempo changes, time signature changes, altered dominants) and classical (counterpoint, disonnance) with the sounds and tones of rock music (fusion). We are talking about a fusion legend hear- if AH can play over tullio or giant steps, he can definitely improvise on panama. I don't wish to be negative about other musicians. That is not the point. Eddie has had many accolades over the years. Allan has not. As a musician myself, I would find this riff/jam easier to improvise over than anything in AH's cataloge that I can think of right now.
I probably would have dropped dead from sheer incredulity at seeing this happening at the time . Back then I had no idea they knew each other and they were both just masters to me .
Incredible celebration of music !! 2 guitar masters now together in guitar heaven , one Beast on bass and a groovy drumer together on this one , perfect !! RIP ALLAN and EDDIE ...
@@meatpole55 Well , it's a way of speaking , but yes , i ' d prefer to think they're in heaven than in hell....In a strict Christian theological way , i' d say they will have to wait for the second coming of Jesus Christ and be juged !! Anyway, may they rest in peace , wherever they are !!
Each was recognized in their respective genres. There is no comparison...only contrast. To anyone who has ever seen Holdsworth live, we know the answer and yet we would choose to honor both rather than detract for the respect due each.
Both Eddie and Vai list Allan Holdsworth as the best they've ever seen. Vai says the stuff Holdsworth was doing back then, hasnt even been invented yet. RIP to the King...Allan Holdsworth.
Vai's words are reverential, and likely true...but there is some younger talent coming up that has some creative promise. Check out Rick Beato's interview with Matteo Mancuso.
Obviously EVH made tapping popular because of his unique way of playing it. And it was his tone which made his guitar interesting. It was considered the holy grail of tone at the time.
TWO GREAT PLAYERS ..I ALWAYS REMEMBER THE VH JAMS UNTILL ITS MY TIME TO GO TO THE CONCERT IN THE SKY THANKS EDDIE FOR HELPING US ALL FOR DIFFERENT REASONS WITH YOU TALENT ..I HEAR VH AND IT TAKES ME BACK TO BEERS AND CHEVELLES LOL WAIT STILL TO THIS DAY ...R.I.P. BROTHER AND THANK YOU
2 of the best ever and one of them is gone. Both musical geniuses from 2 different venues of music and both on virtually the same level when it came to creativity. If you listen to Allan's Road Games album you will hear some of Eddy's right hand tapping technique but it is hard to tell because Allan played so smooth. Eddy also emulated a little of Allan's technique and style in some songs before Sammy joined the band. I saw Allan in 1983 performing the Road Games album material. What an awesome talent. If you never got to see him live you really missed out. There will never be another Eddy Van Halen or Allan Holdsworth and I got to see both of them.
Love this. There should be a law that the cops pick these guys up once a year to play a set. Van Halen and Holdsworth are good for each other. Jeff Berlin!!!
The only guitarists that Holdsworth sounds like are the guys he influenced. There's a lot of guys who play like that now, but back in the late 70's, not so much. Also, I've never heard anyone use the kind of chord progressions Holdsworth uses in his compositions. He uses a lot of tone clusters and inversions that don't seem to be used by most guitarists, regardless of genre.
HEY: anyone who wants to hear AH but not so unfocused should check out Greg Howe (what a terrible name for a guitarist!) who has NO STYLE, but might have the scariest jazz chops of any of the shredder dudes: th-cam.com/video/5BuPjJcy6EQ/w-d-xo.html and if you love CREATIVE guitar (etc) as i do, check out my solo electronic uke (!) project TRONIC UKE. i'm ready to commit suicide, but everyone tells me my playing is unique and fabulous, but i really hate how corrupt this world is. I'm trapped in NH with no way out, and no musicians I can play with, which is killing me. And the criminals at Google put suppression filters on all my videos and channels b/c I criticized Giuliani and the Dempublicans, so not even strangers who subscribed to me ever know when a new video is put out! %$#@!!!! (I play outdoors every day which is the best, though. Strangers give me money to learn my instrument!) th-cam.com/video/S_vxQOH051U/w-d-xo.html
A HUGE moment in guitar history. 240k down a TH-cam rabbit hole………so sad that these 2 heroes of mine are gone…….I don’t think we’ll see their like again.
There are 3 great innovators of this era in guitar technique. Edward Van Halen with RH tapping, sound construction, Allan Holdsworth with LH legato technique, and the toughest to pull of smoothly is Frank Gambale, with his patented sweep picking. Frank is also the one who tells a story when he solo, very mature, all notes have a purpose with him, similar to Pat Metheny, another brilliant story teller, but his genius comes not from technique but the mesmerizing way he weaves in and out of tonality.
I was at thisshow..Roxy 83..right around when the Recording for what would become ROAD GAMES started....it was nuts ..all good energy...using the Red Baron..the guitar that we created our industry standard for playability......
Allans improvisational skills is just out of this world. In this jam when he´s playing with Eddie you can hear how different his approach to the guitar is compared to most guitarists, who often approach the guitar in a way that is more similar to Eddies "lick" based style. Nothing bad about that off course I love Eddies playing, just noticing Allans uniqueness.
If you listen closely Eddie is doing variations from his 'one-trick-pony' show, Eruption....so,ya you have heard Eddie,the only "rarity" is the context.
@@songsabai3794 ...a lot of times, that would be the case and you would be correct. However, this time you aren't. Seems the only one trick pony is this regurgitated comment that you likely use over, and over, and over, ad nauseam.
One of the unique things about Brian's guitar was the way the pickups were wired. In the first they were wired in series (usually guitar pickups are wired in parallel), so he got a different kind of tone when he used two pickups together than one would get on say a Strat or a Tele. He also had individual on/off switches and out of phase switches for each pickup. With two pickups on, with one of the out of phase switches engaged, you get the same electronic circuit as a humbucking pickup.
Though not as well-known to most guitarists as Michael Jordan is to sports fans in general, even. At the very least, Holdsworth's worth is not as widely appreciated as Jordan's.
It's too bad that there's no video. At least we get to hear it. I've seen all these photos of Eddie with that purple Kramer Strat. That's the one with the Rockinger tremolo and later with all the tape all over it. I wondered whatever happened to that guitar. I heard that it was given away to someone but I don't remember who. It's too bad that some much stuff happened that we all missed out on. I'm just glad that this isn't one of them!
I love this live jamming!! And what makes it so memorable is I can hear when Eddie plays & I can hear when Allan plays, they are both being themselves & you & I are grateful for it. I just can't stand it why people start 'hating' Eddie because they think he doesn't belong there purely because their jealous of his achievements & how he's changed the guitar much like Hendrix has. But I guess EVH has to die first so he can get the respect hey? Sad.
There are some people that hate Eddie because of his "God" like status there's no doubt about that . Here is what they don't understand , Eddie himself despises being heaped praise upon but when you have every guitar magazine and everybody calling you the greatest non stop wherever you go for over 40 years there's not much you can do . The praise comes for truly legendary guitarists in their own right . Eddie has never gone around saying I'm the greatest EVERYBODY else on the planet has .
EVH ruled the world with his guitar, ...and I'm sure Allan ruled whatever world he came from as well.
@@s1iznc1d34 the explanation is youre a tone deaf moron lol
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Yes Holdsworth needed aDavid lee Roth rock band
This shit made me LOL HARD AF
I came here to listen to Holdsworth and Van Halen but what Jeff Berlin is doing is unbelievable.
He's always brilliant.
Berlin can play circles around jaco ad did it on stage just before Jaco whacked hisself
It's a crying shame that these two guys didn't record a proper album together.
Looking back it's crazy it didn't happen.
EVH was no match for Allan, and it wasn't a good match for them to record together.
EXACTLY
@@nasticanasta no it is more like they were just not a match period due to styles
Don't try to demean EVH....... guitar playing is not a competition......... there is NO greatest of all times........or this guy is better than that guy nonsense.....
Rock needs EVH like fusion needs Holdsworth, they’re the pinnacle of each, IMO. Can you imagine rock without Eddie? What would fusion guitar aspire to if not Allan? Unthinkable .
@@nasticanasta David Westoff is VH hater all you got to do is go over all the comments to see for yourself. As for his comments, nobody on the planet is a match for Holdsworth but Eddie will come the closest by far .
I was talking to Allan at one of his gigs in LA in 1986. I told him that I had read in Guitar Player Magazine that Eddie said he felt very intimidated playing on the same stage with Allan. Allan said he felt intimidated playing on the same stage with Eddie. Yep. True story.
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cool story bro
@@Minotauro_di_Chieti it's true. Intimidated isn't the proper word. They both said I didn't know what he was going to play. They respect each other highly
Allan was intimidated of playing with Eddie on stage only because Allan voiced concern over David Lee Roth saying he was sexually attracted to British guitar players with a mammoth finger reach. He was worried that Dave might put the moves on him on stage and it would become a viral TH-cam video.
Of course, after Allan said that decades before YT existed and people asked "WTF is TH-cam?", he was considered mentally disturbed. Still a great player, but mentally disturbed. Must suck to be right about so much stuff and not get credit for it. I'm still trying to be right about anything. :(
I believe you.
The pictures of Eddie in the flannel shirt were taken when I was at MI in Sept 81-82. The buzz that morning was Eddie was coming in to watch the Allan Holdsworth seminar. The seminar started; no Eddie. A little while later, the back door of the room opened, in walks Eddie carrying a guitar case. No assistants, no entourage. He watched the rest of the seminar from a seat at the front of the room. When he got up to play with everyone else, it was just his guitar and the small amp behind him; the sound was still unmistakable. I was shocked that only four or five of us hung out with him while he packed up his things; just a regular guy. We walked him out to his car, which was in a public lot around the corner. His Porsche looked like it had been driven through a desert. He opened the door - empty Heineken bottles in the door pockets, cigarette butts and ash all over the interior. Rock and Roll.
I loved MI Paul Gilbert and many other great teachers 88-89
Awesome post!
MI 2000-2004. Was looking at this picture on the second floor by the exit stairs every day and was jealous of everyone who was there!
@@digitalmedia4915 oh thats right! I forgot about those pictures !
I didn't go to MI until 2001, and that gig is still legendary to this day...
Both are Legends
RIP sir Evh and AH. ;(
@Marcus Vinícius That would be BIH (burn in hell) for Trump
With two totally different styles they both absolutely lit this jam up. Eddie playing every bit as any jazz player yet with his own style, and Allen playing his brand and killing it. This is an example of true masters of their craft as they branch out yet still deliver insane expertise.
Definitely. Eddie and Alex’s dad was a jazz guy too, so they had a lot of influence.
Artist's gelling 🎸🎸
Eddie Van Halen is my guitar hero. And I know Allen Holdsworth was one of Eddie’s favorite guitarists. So kudos to them both now jamming in heaven. We miss you both.
Eddie's mine too man, mine too
I know you both commented 3 years ago, but I feel that same sentiment today. EVH inspired me to play and is still the King (in my head). 3 decades later, I'm still learning from both players. I'll never come close to understanding Holdsworth. Does anybody? Love & miss them both.
These are two COMPLETELY different types of players. Allan Holdsworth will go down as a Master above masters. But Eddie is fire, fury, emotionally savage. Eddie is incredible. Alan is amazing.
Agree
Exactly. Jazz Futurist Chaos + Speed Blues Fury Catharsis
Rip to both
That’s true
Hopefully they are playin together right now
R.I.P to both of the greatest guitarists ever.
Two of the greatest guitarists, there are literally thousands more.
I owe it to Eddie for alerting me to Allan's existence. I grabbed the UK album, closely followed by "One Of A Kind" (both mentioned by Eddie in his Guitar Player cover story interview) and eventually got the Tony Williams Lifetime albums. My life was changed forever and I still loved Eddie and Van Halen for being the best at what they did, even after hearing the genius of Allan Holdsworth. In an age where internet shredders go out of their way to deny acknowledging who they ripped most of their stuff off from in the interests of boosting their online profile (and also monetized profits), I thinks it's amazing that Eddie, at the absolute peak of his fame, went out of his way to draw attention to the humble Englishman that would open our ears and minds to a musical universe unheard until his existence. I first heard Dave Chappelle say this and it applies to no-one more than Allan. “The mark of greatness is when everything before you is obsolete, and everything after you bears your mark.”
Brett - I remember hearing you for the first time on one of those tear-out vinyl records that Guitar Player (or Guitar World?) used to insert into their magazines - way back in the late 80s/early 90s. It was a LIVE solo... similar to the one that you do on the John Farnham video here on YT. That solo FLOORED ME! Still to this day - LOVE your playing and songs!
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Same here. I read the Guitar Player interview in March or April 1980 where EVH mentioned Allan. Then I went out and bouth Tony Williams Lifetime (1st), Jean Luc Ponty (Enigmatic Ocean), and Bill Bruford (One of a Kind), and I became immersed in the Master. Then I went to see Allan Holdsworth with I.O.U. Live at the Bottom Line in NYC in NYC. Greatest display of virtuostic guitar laying I have ever seen to this day - and have seen many of the greats, including EVH, Stanley Jordan, Steve Morse, Al DiMeola, etc.
I wanted to write about my feelings about the work of Allan and the loss of him. I wrote a lot, but I erased it, and now all I say is "Allan, I miss you! I wish more people had had an open ear for the sensational music you have created".
The big difference between Eddie and Allan is that Eddie plays licks while Allan plays lines!
Both are fantastic!
i don t think that eddie thinks licks...he just do it
Those who are thinking while playing are not playing they are practicing!
Playing is all about FINDING and practicing is about searching !
pleximanic The big difference is that Allan is a galaxy. Ed is a moon of a minor planet in that galaxy.
In your dreams skippy... now go away troll...
Perfect distinction between Eddie Van Halen and Allan Holdsworth's playing style. I wanted Eddie to develop as a musician and hope that Eddie comes back on a 'musicians only' tour in 2019.
Jeff Berlin the base player is the monster. That dude and the drummer are holding this all together. Great rhythm section.
The drummer is Gary Husband!
If you know so much about music you would know it's bass, not base!
@@theburkett67 Yeah that’s the point dumb shit I know music I’m not Shakespeare.
@@6Bevilacqua That's what Point, dumb shit? That you aren't Shakespeare, and that you don't know the difference between base, and bass? Haha!
Shakespeare. lol anyway, i`ve always liked jeff berlin but here it sorta sounds like he was struggling, or just trying to `play alot to keep up`
Two absolute legends, such intense jam! Rest in peace, Allan and Eddie!
Everything I have read indicates that EVH had a massive respect and reverence for Allan Holdsworth's guitar playing.
Indeed- and in other news water is wet
Holdsworth and Clapton that's about it .
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I think EVH has big fan of Ronnie Monterose and Brian May as well.
@@herbcanter2114Similar to Zappa, only commending Holdsworth & the old blues guys. Zappa & Eddie have more of a connection than people realize…
My guitar teacher jammed with Alan Holdsworth. Alan said , “no recording” , but My teacher couldn’t resist, and hid a recorder behind something, and is a treasured memory from all his Students.
Now that they’ve each had a long life of practice, one can only imagine how incredible those duets are in heaven.
That’s gig was in 1981,,I was there at git and actually recorded this exact show!
@MorbidManMusic Remains I had the tape for years and actually was going to when I saw this one ‘but have lost it (damn!) where you at this gig ..I was at GIT ..and bumped into Eddie and Allan on Hollywood blvd ...also have tapes of Steve Morse with the Dixie dregs as a trio..
That was ace
RIP EVH+AH x
Well ain't this the best thing I've heard in forever....Eddie and Allan... What a treat to listen to these guys talk back and forth...I miss both you guys RIP
Love them both. Eddie for taking rock guitar to the next level and exposing right hand tapping as no one did before, sort of what Frank Gambale did for sweep picking, and Allan for inventing the legato left hand playing he is known for.
"right hand tapping" is about 5% of what he brought to the table
Oh you who know so little about EVH
@@TheAgentAssassin yup.....he brought the D-tuna, brown sound, string slapping rock riffs like mean street and beginning of this vid, the wolfgang guitar, rise of the floyd rose, tap harmonics used musically together, volume swelling (catherdral), power drill sounds through pick ups (poundcake) de-tune tone, cool flange and phase effects and on and on.
@@Briman24 flange, phase, and volume swells existed before Eddie. He started Guitar Wars, but don't take credit away from people that did that before him.
@@BungleJoogie68 power drills existed before him also.....
I don't know if this has been said since I haven't read all the comments so far, but EVH loved Allan, so much so that around the time of this video (1983) Eddie got him a record on Warner Bros, produced by Ted Templeman, called Road Games, which is a must have. That EVH spirit is so apparent here as he mixes it up with the late great Holdsworth. Anyone would be intimidated by AH, and with plenty of good reasons! But true rocker as he is, Eddie brought all he had to the table here...you can feel it. It's exhilarating. Of course, no human guitarist could hang out with Holdsworth. But Eddie? The kid had heart.
Ian Ballard is absolutely right! EVH was very humble towards Holdsworth and helped him get IOU out on Warner Brothers! Thank you, Eddie, for your humility and graciousness! You were a true buddha!
...Between the 2 of them, Allen is the guy who has more to work with & seamlessly plays what he wants on demand....Eddie plays what he hears rattling around in his head at any given time....2 different approaches that work well for each, both know music (Allen probably a bit more) but more importantly produce "their sound" that is instantly recognizable as their own. Great stuff by both.
So awesome!! RIP TO EVH and AH...they’re jamming in heaven
Velvet Darkness and Road Games……played them both 1000s of times over the las 40 years, nothing like them. Too bad that noone else in Racine Wisconsin as heard of him all of these years until some friends of mine met him and jammed with him at some jazz fest in Washington State. So fn good
The fact that Eddie could hold his ground here is so incredibly telling.
I doubt a person could fall asleep playing the way EVH plays. His style is all about energy and joy. If you fall asleep you are not playing it right. :)
GOD Allan Holdsworth's voice is so strong!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for posting this. I love hearing these old rare vintage jams. I wish we had the video footage. Man with todays pocket/phone cams in the old days. What footage we would have. :D
You sure can tell when AH is playing!
nebbykoo You sure can tell when any of them are playing actually. Both have such a distinctive sound...
@@wviampero distinct sound? Now that is a comedy!
KaBisikleta MBA no that is ART
Anyone who hears this video sound can tell when Eddie Van Halen is playing even if they never heard of him before
But unless you are a fan of Alan holdsworth you can't tell when he's playing, it just sounds like some random jazz guitarist having a bad day, lol.
Allan holdsworth is severely overrated
@Samí Warrior It's been 2 weeks since king Edward Van Halen passed away and millions of people around the world are still in disbelief mourning his death
When Allan holdsworth died...
Nobody gave two shits about him, lol.
Two masters both from two different deep ends of the guitar. And they were good friends!!!
Thanks for sharing this. What a treasure!
Beyond all the comments, comparisons, etc....the common theme in all of Eddie's photos is that smile. This man loved playing guitar and it projected from him in sound waves of joy.
That was really interesting to hear, how both of these guitar innovators interpreted the groove and feel of this jam..the only thing for anyone to do is appreciate both of these one offs of the guitar world, there will never be another of either..They both changed how we viewed the instrument and how we played. Awesome post, I didn't even know that there was a recording of Alan and Eddie playing together, very kool!!!
The year after this jam, I went to Allan's performance in Tokyo.
It was a live performance at the height of IOU.
R.I.P both of them!
Wow! I remember that show. ROXY! Funny thing is we were YELLIN' Vallerie before Eddie got on stage. Long night "IOU" Jeff Berlin classic. It was another HOLLYWOOD moment. Glad I remember. Robbie,Robert,Mark.
Two of the best guitarists to ever grace this earth with their presence. Incredible and inspiring both of them.
This is around the time that Eddie hooked Allan up with Warner Bros. & Ted Templeman to do the "Road Games" EP. They were clearly hanging out a lot. Listening back to "1984" (the subsequent VH album) Allan's influence seems REALLY obvious now! Check out the long, abstract, twisty lead lines in Top Jimmy, Girl Gone Bad, Drop Dead Legs... All of it really! Nice to join up the historical dots! Thanks for posting!
What also needs to be appreciated is that Ed turned up on Allan's turf and played Allan's style of music - improvising all the way. Not only does he deserve massive props for that - regardless of the sneering comments from many on this video - but he more than held his own, too. As great as Holdsworth was, as much as he knew about music, he couldn't compete on Ed's turf. The sneery people commenting on this video will try and pass that of as being beneath Allan, that rock music is too simplistic
for his talent but the truth of the matter is great players should be able to adapt - as Ed did when jamming with Allan - and that easier music is just that: easier. The chordal tones, the rhythm, the opportunity to play singable and memorable lines that don't require a degree in theory or a love for the atonal.
Allan has said many times that he wouldn't be able to do that and was ewually in awe of Ed for beign able to do what he did - the magic that he pulled out at the drop of a hat such as his reckless abandon of Beat It to the pseudo-sax free-flowing at the end of Top Jimmy to the melodic masterclass of Love Walks In (middle and outro solos).
As much as Allan knew more music theory (and despite the myths, Ed was no slouch either, having studied jazz theory at college) music is all in the ears not on the page and not only was Ed a master, even at such a young age, of pop sensibility and rock flair (in fact he created pretty much everything we now take for granted - from technique to pickups to amps to bridges)
but he also played aoutie the lines, blurred scales and modes and ventured into jazz territory quite often whilst making it fit the
pop/rock song structure. Now THAT is genius.
And as for Pat Methey, he said of Eddie: "really think he is a great player and someone I always enjoy hearing. there was a time i went to vh shows as much as possible just to check him out. one time, i got to go back before a show and hear him warm up -
which was absolutely mind blowing - he played more incredible music in that 30 minutes of warmup time than he did in the all the vh "shows" that i heard rolled together. he is so creative - it would be great to hear him expand into other areas - especially now that "heavy metal" is about as dead as it could possibly be (who would have thought that that would happen in 1984?) eddie is more like a jazz guy anyway to me - he is always searching for sounds and ideas".
Thanks - thoughtful and well said.
One of the better and more even-handed comments I've read in a while. Both of these men were amazing musicians, and rare gems. The world is richer for them both having practiced their art in front of us.
Vicki Sixx Nice
Both are/were from another universe. Both made huge impacts on how the instrument would be played thereafter. I personally gave up comparisons between players decades ago. Both Allan and Eddie are legends, and this is coming from a lowly bass player! BTW, I really enjoyed hearing Jeff Berlin absolutely kill on his bass on this Jam! He was more than playing bass, he was manning a damn flamethrower!!!
This is Eddie's turf. They're playing a simple rock progression. Eddie even claims to have come up with the riff with Jeff Berlin. Allan's style is not simple rock progressions. His music incorporated the intricacies of jazz (modulations, tempo changes, time signature changes, altered dominants) and classical (counterpoint, disonnance) with the sounds and tones of rock music (fusion). We are talking about a fusion legend hear- if AH can play over tullio or giant steps, he can definitely improvise on panama.
I don't wish to be negative about other musicians. That is not the point. Eddie has had many accolades over the years. Allan has not. As a musician myself, I would find this riff/jam easier to improvise over than anything in AH's cataloge that I can think of right now.
I probably would have dropped dead from sheer incredulity at seeing this happening at the time .
Back then I had no idea they knew each other and they were both just masters to me .
Incredible celebration of music !! 2 guitar masters now together in guitar heaven , one Beast on bass and a groovy drumer together on this one , perfect !! RIP ALLAN and EDDIE ...
Hahaaaaa.. you think they’re in heaven huh..?
@@meatpole55 Well , it's a way of speaking , but yes , i ' d prefer to think they're in heaven than in hell....In a strict Christian theological way , i' d say they will have to wait for the second coming of Jesus Christ and be juged !! Anyway, may they rest in peace , wherever they are !!
Each was recognized in their respective genres. There is no comparison...only contrast. To anyone who has ever seen Holdsworth live, we know the answer and yet we would choose to honor both rather than detract for the respect due each.
I'M 60 AND I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS GUY ! thx!
the opening riff is so sick!
Love that Eddie VH and Allan played together at all. It's weird shit, must hear again!
That intro. Wow! A lot of people don't get how tight a rhythm player Eddie is. It's not just his solos.
Holdsworth is the definition of "you do you."
Thanks to whoever recorded that one. Should be on a CD or iTunes.
Two immensely gifted guitarists in their own right.
Both Eddie and Vai list Allan Holdsworth as the best they've ever seen. Vai says the stuff Holdsworth was doing back then, hasnt even been invented yet. RIP to the King...Allan Holdsworth.
Vai's words are reverential, and likely true...but there is some younger talent coming up that has some creative promise. Check out Rick Beato's interview with Matteo Mancuso.
OMG, this is awesome !!!
Obviously EVH made tapping popular because of his unique way of playing it.
And it was his tone which made his guitar interesting. It was considered the holy grail of tone at the time.
TWO GREAT PLAYERS ..I ALWAYS REMEMBER THE VH JAMS UNTILL ITS MY TIME TO GO TO THE CONCERT IN THE SKY
THANKS EDDIE FOR HELPING US ALL FOR DIFFERENT REASONS WITH YOU TALENT ..I HEAR VH AND IT TAKES ME BACK TO BEERS AND CHEVELLES LOL WAIT STILL TO THIS DAY ...R.I.P. BROTHER AND THANK YOU
2 of the best ever and one of them is gone. Both musical geniuses from 2 different venues of music and both on virtually the same level when it came to creativity. If you listen to Allan's Road Games album you will hear some of Eddy's right hand tapping technique but it is hard to tell because Allan played so smooth. Eddy also emulated a little of Allan's technique and style in some songs before Sammy joined the band. I saw Allan in 1983 performing the Road Games album material. What an awesome talent. If you never got to see him live you really missed out. There will never be another Eddy Van Halen or Allan Holdsworth and I got to see both of them.
Love this. There should be a law that the cops pick these guys up once a year to play a set. Van Halen and Holdsworth are good for each other.
Jeff Berlin!!!
haha good one "Hey you two! Now JAM!"
the law is the law 🤣
My Kingdom for a simple Beck melody!
The only guitarists that Holdsworth sounds like are the guys he influenced. There's a lot of guys who play like that now, but back in the late 70's, not so much. Also, I've never heard anyone use the kind of chord progressions Holdsworth uses in his compositions. He uses a lot of tone clusters and inversions that don't seem to be used by most guitarists, regardless of genre.
You might check out Ollie Halsall, who replaced him in Tempest.
Try tribal tech
HEY: anyone who wants to hear AH but not so unfocused should check out Greg Howe (what a terrible name for a guitarist!) who has NO STYLE, but might have the scariest jazz chops of any of the shredder dudes:
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and if you love CREATIVE guitar (etc) as i do, check out my solo electronic uke (!) project TRONIC UKE. i'm ready to commit suicide, but everyone tells me my playing is unique and fabulous, but i really hate how corrupt this world is. I'm trapped in NH with no way out, and no musicians I can play with, which is killing me. And the criminals at Google put suppression filters on all my videos and channels b/c I criticized Giuliani and the Dempublicans, so not even strangers who subscribed to me ever know when a new video is put out! %$#@!!!! (I play outdoors every day which is the best, though. Strangers give me money to learn my instrument!)
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These two are jamming right now in heaven (or wherever they are).
Thank You!
RIP 2 legends!
A HUGE moment in guitar history. 240k down a TH-cam rabbit hole………so sad that these 2 heroes of mine are gone…….I don’t think we’ll see their like again.
Unreal playing, two legends.
Allan was greatest guitar player who ever lived. RIP
Nonsense.....
Django, Chuck, Chet, Wes, Les, Jimi and Edward.
Holdsworth is merely a footnote in music history.
@@rick3747 people will still be listening to allan in 400 years where as I’m not so sure about the others- maybe jimi and ed as well
Alan, Larry Carlton, Eric Johnson: 1-3 in any order
AH was an innovator, just like Frank Gambale and Edward Van Halen.
There are 3 great innovators of this era in guitar technique. Edward Van Halen with RH tapping, sound construction, Allan Holdsworth with LH legato technique, and the toughest to pull of smoothly is Frank Gambale, with his patented sweep picking. Frank is also the one who tells a story when he solo, very mature, all notes have a purpose with him, similar to Pat Metheny, another brilliant story teller, but his genius comes not from technique but the mesmerizing way he weaves in and out of tonality.
Never heard anything like it nor will I ever hear anything like it again. Metal Jazz Fusion Masterpiece.
I was at thisshow..Roxy 83..right around when the Recording for what would become ROAD GAMES started....it was nuts ..all good energy...using the Red Baron..the guitar that we created our industry standard for playability......
i was at this show, thank you for posting !
FVL What was your opinion as to who was better? If that is even the case. Who was the crowd more impressed with? If that applies.
Who was in the band for this show?
who was in drums? and on bass?
@@rioace3953 I think it was Jeff Berlin (Bass) and Gary Husband (Drums).
Wow what fun was that!
This whole band just killed it!
It now makes sense that I can hear some very Holdsworth vibes on VH 1984 in places. Dot joiner.
Absolutely SMOOOKIN'!!
Thank you, thank you! Had no idea this existed!
Allans improvisational skills is just out of this world. In this jam when he´s playing with Eddie you can hear how different his approach to the guitar is compared to most guitarists, who often approach the guitar in a way that is more similar to Eddies "lick" based style. Nothing bad about that off course I love Eddies playing, just noticing Allans uniqueness.
Holdsworth's IOU said to be to EVH for lending him money to make the album. That is friendship and respect.
Wow that's where it got the name? That's amazing
@@tear728 I heard Allan say different in his interview "Life and music" here on TH-cam.
I was at this show - WOW AND THEN DOUBLE WOW!!!
Really? Wow - can you share a bit? How did they audience received the performance, how many people were there etc. Thanks!
Wow! Some Eddie Van Halen that I haven't heard. That is a rarity.
If you listen closely Eddie is doing variations from his 'one-trick-pony' show, Eruption....so,ya you have heard Eddie,the only "rarity" is the context.
@@songsabai3794 ...a lot of times, that would be the case and you would be correct. However, this time you aren't. Seems the only one trick pony is this regurgitated comment that you likely use over, and over, and over, ad nauseam.
@@UKSportsFan Nah, you wrong.
Yup, one-trick-pony-show ....BUT, what a ride it was!
One of the unique things about Brian's guitar was the way the pickups were wired. In the first they were wired in series (usually guitar pickups are wired in parallel), so he got a different kind of tone when he used two pickups together than one would get on say a Strat or a Tele. He also had individual on/off switches and out of phase switches for each pickup. With two pickups on, with one of the out of phase switches engaged, you get the same electronic circuit as a humbucking pickup.
Cool story; thanks for telling it! A pretty nice day!
Eddie is a monster but from planet earth,Holdsworth is from a different Galaxy,what he does can't be done but he does it anyway ..
Eddie is one of the best guitar players on earth. But Holdsworth wasn't even from this planet.
@@s1iznc1d34 Eddie sounds sloppy as shiit compared to the other guy.
@@s1iznc1d34 And truelly? Did you just invent that term, just like Allan Holdsworth did with the chords he be playin'?
@@s1iznc1d34 Just write in proper English lol
@@s1iznc1d34 All very deliberate choices, if you had the proper ears for it you could easily hear the harmonies he was imposing.
@@s1iznc1d34 go listen to John Mayer
(4 years later) 2 of the best and now their both gone.
Ever time I hear Holdsworth's playing I'm reminded within 2-4 notes how much I suck at playing Guitar. He's The Michael Jordan Of Guitar Playing.
Though not as well-known to most guitarists as Michael Jordan is to sports fans in general, even. At the very least, Holdsworth's worth is not as widely appreciated as Jordan's.
It's too bad that there's no video. At least we get to hear it. I've seen all these photos of Eddie with that purple Kramer Strat. That's the one with the Rockinger tremolo and later with all the tape all over it. I wondered whatever happened to that guitar. I heard that it was given away to someone but I don't remember who. It's too bad that some much stuff happened that we all missed out on. I'm just glad that this isn't one of them!
Damn, that is some great picking. Always been a Holdsworth fan (some may find his music difficult to enjoy) but the combination with EVH was awesome!
I love this live jamming!! And what makes it so memorable is I can hear when Eddie plays & I can hear when Allan plays, they are both being themselves & you & I are grateful for it. I just can't stand it why people start 'hating' Eddie because they think he doesn't belong there purely because their jealous of his achievements & how he's changed the guitar much like Hendrix has. But I guess EVH has to die first so he can get the respect hey? Sad.
well, we'll see now
There are some people that hate Eddie because of his "God" like status there's no doubt about that . Here is what they don't understand , Eddie himself despises being heaped praise upon but when you have every guitar magazine and everybody calling you the greatest non stop wherever you go for over 40 years there's not much you can do . The praise comes for truly legendary guitarists in their own right . Eddie has never gone around saying I'm the greatest EVERYBODY else on the planet has .
Ed and Allan were Five G compatible before anyone! Maestros!
Excet the late guitarist Ollie Halsall.
Legends both of them! Rip EVH..
Thanks 👍😘🇸🇪
Still got this tape.
A fusion of fire.
I love Ed, great rock player but Holdsworth is another level
Wow thanks , never seen this before
Awesome ,
Wonder what Rick Beato thinks of this Alan was one of his favorites
Fun fact of the day: When Eddie recorded the beat it solo for Michael Jackson he used an amp he borrowed from Allan.
History! It'll never happen again.
How have I not heard this before? Eddie needed to do a solo album like this.
....how did I miss this...?
wow .... a show to DIE FOR!
May they both Rest In Peace.