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You forgot about Gundam Duel Company. Was a browser/mobile game that required physical card to redeem a code to use the MS or pilot in game. Had 5 sets released and lasted from August 2014 to June/July 2016. Still have my card binder; the cards were horizontal and had info on the back in both Japanese and English (despite never releasing in NA.)
I'm a little late but I second this. Also surprisingly, I've been noticing a bunch of previously unsold GDC booster boxes suddenly popping up in the market recently.
Hey! I was one of the lead volunteers, rules arbiters, and tournament organizers on the second iteration of Gundam War and I can fill in a couple blanks. I haven't even thought about the game in decades but hopefully I can drop some useful stuff here. Unfortunately I haven't got any notes from so long ago, so my source will unfortunately have to be "just trust me bro." I was Vermilionone on the official Gundam War forum and the Gundam Official Users Forum. Gundam was in an incredibly tenuous place at the time, Wing was the big culturally significant thing and that was years prior, by the time the CCG rolled around, there wasn't really any show on TV or store shelves to support it and that was the time of the Bandai-Namco merger that also brought some corporate shake-ups. This was kind of the on the tail of them trying to import First Gundam, and the first promo card was the RX-78-2 using a screencap from the original series. The initial translation was done by people who did not have experience with CCGs and many of the cards had terminology mistakes, the ones that stand out to me were that the equivalent of "no summoning sickness" and, I think "can be played as an instant" were frequently confused Something like "Quick Attack" and "Fast Deploy". I and a few friends did touch up translations for the second and third sets to try and fix these issues. Again, my memory is very fuzzy but I believe after we turned in the translations to the second set we were told it was already sent to print and they wouldn't implement our fixes. There were three sets in a year which was problematic because the typical CCG release schedule at the time was is 4 per year, so there were unusually long stretches between sets that really killed the momentum. We sold out at the warehouse level, but restocks were slow and combined with long gaps between sets, there was a lot of time between product. The final set actually sold out in two weeks, but despite that we just couldn't keep it going. I moved on to the Naruto CCG where I did ruling for I think another two years before retiring. At the time the actual Bandai team was extremely small, I think 4 actual employees, and everyone else was a volunteer. The game was very community driven and we had to be scrappy. If you met me at a demo at the time and got a mini-starter deck, those cards were donated by members of the community to try and spread awareness for the game. It broke my heart when one of the people who did get into it that way went to his first tournament and I announced the game was cancelled. The last tournament promo was "Will To Resist" featuring the boys from Gundam Wing. I haven't really kept up with it but my impression is, compared to back then, Bandai can be a well oiled machine when it wants to be; Battle Spirits Saga notwithstanding. I'm excited for the new game and I'm considering coming out of retirement to try and organize events again. Maybe we'll make it this time.
I actually still have the some of the cards from Gundam MS War; I actually managed to pull Wing Gundam ZERO and ZERO System in the same pack. I also got 4 out of 5 of the Endless Waltz versions of the Gundams, I never got Altron.
Literally all they need to do is make a rule book (that they could sell) and translate the stats from the manuals into usable tabletop stats. It's not that hard, seeing as how there's about a dozen fan-made versions of exactly this.
honestly the artifact line would be perfect for it all it needs is a small base (gunpla's are too varied in size ) to glue the minis on it and cards with the stat blocks of the unit also 15 bucks per unit is cheap compared to what a single named unit cost for warhammer but this implies bandai has good suply lines and can suport a game on the long run and well urd hunt, evolution, their numerus tcg's show they have lots of issues when they have to produce for a global market
@@l-omega402 they have lot of stuff to use for tabletop. sure this kind of thing isn't that popular in east asia but hey this is great chance and the closest thing that we got to gunpla battle
The thing about the new Gundam TCG is it follows in the wake of the One Piece TCG which has garnered a growing player-base in Western markets and is the first real break Bandai has had outside of Digimon. This is encouraging as they now have that track record to build upon, but also worrying because this is now their fifth TCG (One Piece, Dragon Ball, Digimon, Union Arena) they're trying to operate concurrently.
@@FireHeartLeon Wait, they're doing two Dragonball TCGs simultaneously? That just seems self-defeating. ... and yeah, I should've checked Battle Spirits Saga after it was mentioned in the video. They did release cards this August, though I still don't believe I've ever met anyone who's played or even mentioned it before.
This is my thoughts exactly. Personally, Digimon is my #1 favorite TCG BECAUSE of how it plays. It's basically a better Duel Masters and I loved that game. Based on Bandai's latest TCGs, the general rules should be the same. The differences will be in the resource system. I kinda hope it has similarities to Digimon because I love both the inherited effects system and the general digivolving system. Since you draw cards so often, you can do three games in 50 minutes. I hope Gundam will be the same way.
Timing! I just stumbled upon my old MS War cards last week. I still even have the rules, playmat, and victory tokens. As a bonus it's the same binder that contains my SD Gundam Pogs...
man. I remember the absolutely IMO botched release of Gundam War in the west. Locking some of the most useful cards behind tournament prizes. It also mixed a lot of cards from multiple sets which meant that some of the cards were really underpowered compared to like costed cards even within the same color, for example, the original base set GM with no powers was the RGM-79 card put in the base set, but one of the later set RX-78-2 cards was the first Gundam we got in that starter set. You could make some really cool themed decks, but some of the cards were nearly impossible to get to fill out a theme, like the Black Tri-Stars. Gaia's Dom was a tournament promo in the US release, making it very hard to make that deck.
I remember wanting to get into the proper Gundam War TCG upon hearing it releasing in America and loving the systems+art, but all some of my local card shops could find was the Gundam Wing MS war, which they placed a special order for me but didn't know it was the wrong product until it was too late and I was stuck x_x. Loved seeing all the history!
I'm more shocked that Duel Masters is still alive in Japan, I still remember pulling *l Über Dragon Bajula l* then that's the last time I saw any product here in the Philippines.
Yep, I was also very surprised to see a Duel Masters corner/wall in most Japanese cardshops. I always remembered it as that "Yugioh wannabe" that randomly popped up and then disappeared in a few months
Another fun video! I was hoping to see some more info on the SD "Gundam Combat" card series since I can barely find any info on it (it doesn't even have a wiki page iirc) ever since I saw original forms for the God Gundam and such.
I kind of feel like Bandai needs to chill with all these TCGs. They have One Piece, DragonBall, BSS, Digimon, and Union Arena. That's 5 TCGs competing with each other under same company and now they want to add a 6th. Honestly, sounds like this will probably only harm the ones that are already not performing so well even more. I'm most concerned for BSS as the others at least have brand legacy to carry them while BSS already didn't have the best marketing and doesn't seemed to be doing nearly as well as the others as is. I say all this knowing my sheep ass will likely buy a box anyways for the hella of it but I am also concerned for it's overall longevity.
BSS actually has the ability to bring a ton of legacy branding over, but the rollout wasn't great. I just started with set 3, but when I went to a FLGS to try and buy packs, they just rolled their eyes at the name. The first 2 sets really burned a lot of retailers.
@godhearsmysoul oh I know they could but don't know if I trust they will. Battle Spirits has existed for a while and is at least partially known for it's collabs. Given the number of ips under Bandai, the number of existing Battle Spirits anime, and existing collaboration sets, it would've simple to market BSS in the west by tapping into that stuff. Especially given the Digimon tcg was already out and there had been a BS collab with Digimon in the past. They could've dropped a season of the anime on TH-cam along with their lore video to make people aware of the brand, get them invested, and explain the western rebranding/relaunch. They could've exploited the Dcg to release a few promotional cards or make release western version of the collab cards along with the early sets to as some kind of cross promotion. They could've still tap into a lot of stuff going forward, assuming they do, but the issue is just how late they tried to do anything and the they way they've behaved until now like you mentioned. So, I'm definitely concerned.
@@GCrAnViMaOtaku95 I agree. They have all the tools and with One Piece I think it demonstrates they know how to use them but at the same time, I wouldn't say they DO use them all that often or well.
I still have the two starter decks for the MS War somewhere, I thought it was a cool looking game back in the day but it was so confusing so I only actually played it once (probably wrong tbh). Didn't even know they came out with Gundam War next in English as my card shop clearly didn't stock them.
When in Tokyo this may, I spend much money and time in arcades playing Arsenal Base and had my goal set to reach Gold Rank on my account (I did manage that) :D have some col cards as a collection now. Hope it still exists when i manage to have another vacation in japan.
I have so many MS War cards. I just stare at them in their binder for nostalgia. I can't bring myself to get rid of two Epyons and Milliardo Peacecraft.
FYI Battle Spirits is not a Magic clone. It has colors and reductions, sure but its such a different game, especially since the game revolves around cores and not lands. The feel is not the same at all, cause monsters you play don't have summoning sickness. And EVERY card you play counts for cost reduction.
I swear Bandai and co. need to hire this guy on salary. He's practically single-handedly helping Bandai sell more Gunpla and such. Hes also professional as hell! I swear im watching a tv news channel cept this news channel is actually worth watching.
One thing to keep in mind with MTG and duel masters that you kinda started but I don't think made ultra clear. Both are made 100% by wizards of the coast they don't just have the same designer. Kinda weird that an American company makes one of the top three JP TCGs (at least of this year) but there you go. ..... I've been looking a LOT into as much japanese dual masters stuff as I could since gavan verhey the Principal Magic Designer at Wizards of the Coast outright said dual masters has inspired MTG in a few ways. Lastly pretty good content here!
Bandai definitely has history with failing to keep card games going. Most of the reason seems to boil down to 1. Cannibalizing their own market by releasing so many different card games of alot of other series at the same time. 2. Rampant power creep that makes previous sets card unusable. And bandai being bandai they will probably never change 😅
Even though I’m in the US, I’ve got a decent collection of Try Age and Arsenal Base cards that I’ve put together over the last couple of years. They’re absolutely incredible in person, especially the high rarities. Try Age has some really crazy holos while Arsenal Base has some incredible embossing on virtually every detail and panel line of the artwork. Even Japanese Battle Spirits are impressive as all rarities including the commons are holos. While I’ve never played the games themselves, from a purely collectors standpoint, they’re totally worth it as a fan of the franchise, if you can get your hands them via the secondhand market.
I Honestly, bandai been learning a lot. Cause this isnt only a gundam issue, it was also for all of their TCGs in the past BS as you mentioned but also Dragonball and Digimon which the later had two games which flopped. But i feel like after the "success" of DragonBall Masters tcgs which is celebrating 7 years and is west only, they probably learned a lot about the market, and then we got the new digimon TCg which was a success and now One Piece being their biggest tcg thus far. Of course it all will depend on how well received it will be but, i believe things will go well, unless card design goes bad. But even so, after the flop set 2 of BSS was and DB Fusion World set 2 issue (for some reason their sets 2 is cursed due to power creep lol), the games continued on. BSS lives on its niche but wasnt plugged off. I guess they arent to strict in the terms of profit they want to make, cause honestly, they tend to shut down everything that they dont deem successful (mobile games such as digimon all got shut down, gundam evolution as well went down and maybe a few others). Still despite all this, their landscape on the TCG market as been pretty good and one with the most success currently. Lets just hope they keep it up and dont change their minds ahahah
gundam war nex-a evolved from trying to make the game balanced with the (OG Crusade, Bones Crusade, Macross Crusade, Jojo Crusade, etc) crusade tcg system (adding the g-zone ability so you didn't need to rely on the generation cards anymore to generate resources so it became closer to duel masters)
During my trip to Tokyo, i ended up with a whole deck of Arsenal base cards. I played the game like twice. I got the rest for free from looting the unwanted cards bin. Got every single common/rare/M of that season.
I’m hyped for the new card game, didnt know there were so many card games before, but I guess it’s only logical given Gundam exists since the 70’s more or less huh
As a card gaming nerd, I'm watching this with interest and hesitation. So far, the mechanics seem fine, albeit a little oddly worded in spots. The resource deck thing is a bit weird, but I understand that's lofted from One Piece. It's basically taking mechanics that work in Bandai's other TCGd and mashing them all together with a coat of Gundam paint. But I really appreciate that all the art seems new, or at the very least it isn't just lazy screen grab bullshit. Even if the game itself sucks, I'll likely grab a booster box just for collecting and opening cards.
On one hand, I'm very thrilled for the new Gundam Card game. But on the other hand, Bandai is REALLY going to be juggling a lot here. Besides BSS, they run Dragon Ball Super (both the old and Future World), Digimon TCG, One Piece TCG, and the upcoming Union Arena TCG (for America that is). While I'm over the moon here, I'm just concerned that Bandai may be tackling too many projects and IPs.
man i am glad i didnt know about these cards back when they came out cause i was really into mtg i started playing when 3rd edition came out and spent over 2k dollars over the coarse of a few months i had over 10k cards with over 60 themed decks built and probably could have built at least that many more seeing these would have destroyed my wallet
I'm pretty sure this means that Gundam has the most different TCG games of any franchise. I'm quite sure that Star Wars has the second highest number of different TCGs through history.
I've still got some MS War cards sitting around. It's fun going back and running a game or two with a friend every few years. ... Even if milling cards as damage is an awful mechanic in my opinion...
That’s the second instance of western Gundam releases using “M.S.” in the title. Did it pop up anywhere besides this and M.S. Saga? I wonder how long till non-Anime stuff (manga, video games etc.) appears in this (and if it even lasts that long). The Digimon card game apparently had Cyber Sleuth pretty early though so maybe we’ll see someone weird (but Cyber Sleuth was also the biggest thing Digimon had had in a while).
I have a crosswars deck... Don't ask me why I just impulse bought it when I saw it on Suru. Unfortunately, it does not include the Impulse Gundam.... I am sorry I'll see myself out.
On the one hand if they're really trying to see if they can get a gundam card game to work for real this time and in the states then it wouldn't be that bad. It's working well for digimon from what I'm understanding but at the same time though considering that gundam has not really been doing all that good in the card games sign of things aside from like 2 of them that are only really good in Japan, They're gonna have to do a lot of heavy lifting to try to make this a may stay especially if they're gonna release it in the states. All we can do now is see if this new card game will be actually worth it and if it gets stay for longer than a few months. That said the only thing I know about battle spirits is the fact that a friend introduced me to 2 songs from one of the other series and those 2 songs were dope.
The Gundam War TCG was fun before the power creep started to become really bad, and the card arts (after set 5) was amazing and the card designs was very flavorful.
seeing how accesive bandai tcg like digimon,onepiece,unionarena, gundam might be on their next list, also seems they want unify release on all bandai tcg at same time...
Losing by running out of cards... that sounds like he same reasoning as the Battletech card game. The card draw pile is even called the Stock Pile, meaning when you run oiut of cards, you run out of resources. But the rules for that were too complex, combat was confusing, it slowed play and that wasn't fun. This sounds like it will have the same issue, but I've never seen this game before.
I'm already in on digimon 2020 card game. I'm not going to look past what bandai is doing flooding us with card games. I'm betting whatever one doesn't pay out fast will be cut, and Gundams have a bad record. You go so many TCGs here now, and Gundam isn't that big here. I'm to worried to go strong into Gundam for it to end up done in 2 years or less. I also don't think locally there are enough people for more card games. We got 1 locals for most card games, and extra for digimon & UA.
To people doubting it, I will say: Bandai has been doing really well with their recent card games. Yes, Dragon Ball had to reboot itself, but Digimon and OP are going strong, Battle Spirits is doing well in Japan, and Union Arena is quite fun. Of course there's room for them to flop, but I wouldn't sleep on this yet.
i still have i believe all the gundam wing cards that were released in NA, and got some of the cards from the japanese Gundam War magic clone . Great art with those! I'll remain catious, Bandai ALWAYS had a very hard time promoting or poorly promoting Gundam stuff to the west. No idea how they keep doing it? A great mystery of our time. LOL Others and myself are probably starved for an actual legit Gundam table top minitures game!! They had some successes recently but then they go back 2 or 3 steps with insane unsuccesses as well. Time shall be the judge and the audiance the exuctioner .
I don't know why early 2000s Bandai liked to make rule changes to card games they imported from Japan to the west; they did the same thing with Digimon and that one also didn't last nearly as long as its Japanese counterpart.
Hey! I actually wrote rulings for the Naruto CCG back then! I have no answer for you! I complained about it a lot though! They completely changed there resource system when bringing the game over, but they did not rewrite the cards to match the changed system. It led to a lot of sometimes heated discussion.
Yeah... I welcome this card game. But I am starting to get pissed at them for doing so many projects, but not enough into one basket to make it work nicely. I just want one Gundam game of some sort that can be easy to access, modern, and fun to play for everyone. Even for non-gundam fans... I thought Evolution may be the thing, but the pacing and constant forced meta-change really killed the fun. I was hoping that it would be more like how Deadlock and/or LoL as well and not effectively trying to compete with Overwatch at the time of release.
Pretty sure I had some of the M.S. War cards at one point. The backs definitely look familiar. Wow... This video just reinforced that when it comes to Gundam, outside of their model kit department Bandai is just... Incredibly incompetent. It really seems like making all these machines and card games would be incredibly expensive and I struggle to imagine they are making their money back with such short runs.
I remember seeing MS War back in the day and skipping it because the Colorful packaging made me think it was a knock off or one of the many "Collectable Cards" that they made for popular shows that was mostly made up of screen shots of the show with holographic backgrounds. Also hearing about ANOTHER Bandai related card game failing in America because they changed the rules for the US Release reminds me of the nightmare that is the Upper Deck Digimon TCG and how butchered it was compared to the original Digimon Hyper Colosseum card game.
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I was actually planning to release a different video today, but with Bandai’s TCG announcement, I figured that this was the perfect time to delve into Gundam’s Card Game past.
You forgot about Gundam Duel Company. Was a browser/mobile game that required physical card to redeem a code to use the MS or pilot in game. Had 5 sets released and lasted from August 2014 to June/July 2016. Still have my card binder; the cards were horizontal and had info on the back in both Japanese and English (despite never releasing in NA.)
agree 💯
I'm a little late but I second this. Also surprisingly, I've been noticing a bunch of previously unsold GDC booster boxes suddenly popping up in the market recently.
Card games in Mobile Suits?!!
I'd watch that, actually.
Card games on Motorads at least.
What?? Card Games in Mobile Suits?!!
Time to bring out the Duel Gundam
on mobile!
Hey! I was one of the lead volunteers, rules arbiters, and tournament organizers on the second iteration of Gundam War and I can fill in a couple blanks. I haven't even thought about the game in decades but hopefully I can drop some useful stuff here. Unfortunately I haven't got any notes from so long ago, so my source will unfortunately have to be "just trust me bro." I was Vermilionone on the official Gundam War forum and the Gundam Official Users Forum. Gundam was in an incredibly tenuous place at the time, Wing was the big culturally significant thing and that was years prior, by the time the CCG rolled around, there wasn't really any show on TV or store shelves to support it and that was the time of the Bandai-Namco merger that also brought some corporate shake-ups. This was kind of the on the tail of them trying to import First Gundam, and the first promo card was the RX-78-2 using a screencap from the original series.
The initial translation was done by people who did not have experience with CCGs and many of the cards had terminology mistakes, the ones that stand out to me were that the equivalent of "no summoning sickness" and, I think "can be played as an instant" were frequently confused Something like "Quick Attack" and "Fast Deploy". I and a few friends did touch up translations for the second and third sets to try and fix these issues. Again, my memory is very fuzzy but I believe after we turned in the translations to the second set we were told it was already sent to print and they wouldn't implement our fixes.
There were three sets in a year which was problematic because the typical CCG release schedule at the time was is 4 per year, so there were unusually long stretches between sets that really killed the momentum. We sold out at the warehouse level, but restocks were slow and combined with long gaps between sets, there was a lot of time between product. The final set actually sold out in two weeks, but despite that we just couldn't keep it going. I moved on to the Naruto CCG where I did ruling for I think another two years before retiring.
At the time the actual Bandai team was extremely small, I think 4 actual employees, and everyone else was a volunteer. The game was very community driven and we had to be scrappy. If you met me at a demo at the time and got a mini-starter deck, those cards were donated by members of the community to try and spread awareness for the game. It broke my heart when one of the people who did get into it that way went to his first tournament and I announced the game was cancelled.
The last tournament promo was "Will To Resist" featuring the boys from Gundam Wing.
I haven't really kept up with it but my impression is, compared to back then, Bandai can be a well oiled machine when it wants to be; Battle Spirits Saga notwithstanding. I'm excited for the new game and I'm considering coming out of retirement to try and organize events again. Maybe we'll make it this time.
Very interesting!
Ah I remember you being very prominent on the forums! Great to see some more info from that time.
The shot at Gundam Evolution hurts, I loved that game.
My grandpa's deck has no pathetic cards, Char. But it does contain...
*duuuuuun*
The unstoppable RX-78-2!
I am doubting of the longevity of this. I just hope they don't pull the plug on this after a year or two. XD
If it goes the way of Evolution I'll cry
@@yemmohater2796or worse. Concord.
The "Classic Bandai" approach as I call it. Why try to fix a failing product when it's just easier to abandon it and let it die? 😶
I actually still have the some of the cards from Gundam MS War; I actually managed to pull Wing Gundam ZERO and ZERO System in the same pack. I also got 4 out of 5 of the Endless Waltz versions of the Gundams, I never got Altron.
bandai will do any game but actually use gunpla for tabletop battle
Literally all they need to do is make a rule book (that they could sell) and translate the stats from the manuals into usable tabletop stats. It's not that hard, seeing as how there's about a dozen fan-made versions of exactly this.
honestly the artifact line would be perfect for it all it needs is a small base (gunpla's are too varied in size ) to glue the minis on it and cards with the stat blocks of the unit
also 15 bucks per unit is cheap compared to what a single named unit cost for warhammer
but this implies bandai has good suply lines and can suport a game on the long run and well urd hunt, evolution, their numerus tcg's show they have lots of issues when they have to produce for a global market
@@l-omega402 they have lot of stuff to use for tabletop. sure this kind of thing isn't that popular in east asia but hey this is great chance and the closest thing that we got to gunpla battle
@@l-omega402 the old g-sight trading figures would be great for tabletop. they even have terrain and stuff for them.
Yugi: “It’s time to du-“ (Get’s shot)
Mikazuki With A Gun: “Sorry. This is easier.”
Kaiba (green haired): Mission Accepted
Graham: In America!
@@ZeroDarkness- Kaiba company before Seto toke over used to be military ironically
@@gerogyzurkov2259 that's not my point
Green haired Kaiba voice actor is same as Heero yuy
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The original Gundam War Card Game has some absolutely gorgeous artwork, especially if you're into any of the 90's series or MSV's.
3:26 I actually have that promo card...somewhere...along with the T-Shirt that was given out at that event.
The thing about the new Gundam TCG is it follows in the wake of the One Piece TCG which has garnered a growing player-base in Western markets and is the first real break Bandai has had outside of Digimon. This is encouraging as they now have that track record to build upon, but also worrying because this is now their fifth TCG (One Piece, Dragon Ball, Digimon, Union Arena) they're trying to operate concurrently.
6th, since there's technically 2 Dragonball Super card games: DBS Masters & DBS Fusion World
7th. Battle Spirits Saga is not dead yet.
@@FireHeartLeon Wait, they're doing two Dragonball TCGs simultaneously? That just seems self-defeating.
... and yeah, I should've checked Battle Spirits Saga after it was mentioned in the video. They did release cards this August, though I still don't believe I've ever met anyone who's played or even mentioned it before.
This is my thoughts exactly. Personally, Digimon is my #1 favorite TCG BECAUSE of how it plays. It's basically a better Duel Masters and I loved that game. Based on Bandai's latest TCGs, the general rules should be the same. The differences will be in the resource system. I kinda hope it has similarities to Digimon because I love both the inherited effects system and the general digivolving system. Since you draw cards so often, you can do three games in 50 minutes. I hope Gundam will be the same way.
Digimon bros
1:18
One of my favorite "life point" systems, the old BattleTech CCG used it as well
8:00 “Konami can somehow make this work.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
More like Konami loves to use Ban list to make money.
Not different to Bandai. Just that Konami has a major head start and branding. Ironically the same game Yugioh That Bandai once owned license on. LOL
Timing!
I just stumbled upon my old MS War cards last week. I still even have the rules, playmat, and victory tokens.
As a bonus it's the same binder that contains my SD Gundam Pogs...
I love that you have a yugioh duel disk in the background
man. I remember the absolutely IMO botched release of Gundam War in the west. Locking some of the most useful cards behind tournament prizes. It also mixed a lot of cards from multiple sets which meant that some of the cards were really underpowered compared to like costed cards even within the same color, for example, the original base set GM with no powers was the RGM-79 card put in the base set, but one of the later set RX-78-2 cards was the first Gundam we got in that starter set. You could make some really cool themed decks, but some of the cards were nearly impossible to get to fill out a theme, like the Black Tri-Stars. Gaia's Dom was a tournament promo in the US release, making it very hard to make that deck.
Appreciate the news, i occasionally see your vids and theyre the fingers on the proverbial pulse of the going ons of Gundam :)
I remember wanting to get into the proper Gundam War TCG upon hearing it releasing in America and loving the systems+art, but all some of my local card shops could find was the Gundam Wing MS war, which they placed a special order for me but didn't know it was the wrong product until it was too late and I was stuck x_x.
Loved seeing all the history!
The trap card activation! Great video 👍
I'm more shocked that Duel Masters is still alive in Japan, I still remember pulling *l Über Dragon Bajula l* then that's the last time I saw any product here in the Philippines.
Yep, I was also very surprised to see a Duel Masters corner/wall in most Japanese cardshops.
I always remembered it as that "Yugioh wannabe" that randomly popped up and then disappeared in a few months
If you lose the duel you..
I know I’ll lose my soul.
No worse!
What’s worse than losing my soul?
You lose your gunpla.
Noooo!
As someone who playedfirst Gundamwars,I wish they could keep the battle field system( Space/Earth/Water/Ring ) and rework on discardpile cost system.
My dad had the basic Gundam Wing starter set for MS War. He still has the cards and displays them on his shelf today.
Another fun video!
I was hoping to see some more info on the SD "Gundam Combat" card series since I can barely find any info on it (it doesn't even have a wiki page iirc) ever since I saw original forms for the God Gundam and such.
Ah, 05 Gundam War. I was really into it.
I kind of feel like Bandai needs to chill with all these TCGs. They have One Piece, DragonBall, BSS, Digimon, and Union Arena. That's 5 TCGs competing with each other under same company and now they want to add a 6th. Honestly, sounds like this will probably only harm the ones that are already not performing so well even more. I'm most concerned for BSS as the others at least have brand legacy to carry them while BSS already didn't have the best marketing and doesn't seemed to be doing nearly as well as the others as is. I say all this knowing my sheep ass will likely buy a box anyways for the hella of it but I am also concerned for it's overall longevity.
BSS actually has the ability to bring a ton of legacy branding over, but the rollout wasn't great. I just started with set 3, but when I went to a FLGS to try and buy packs, they just rolled their eyes at the name. The first 2 sets really burned a lot of retailers.
@godhearsmysoul oh I know they could but don't know if I trust they will. Battle Spirits has existed for a while and is at least partially known for it's collabs. Given the number of ips under Bandai, the number of existing Battle Spirits anime, and existing collaboration sets, it would've simple to market BSS in the west by tapping into that stuff. Especially given the Digimon tcg was already out and there had been a BS collab with Digimon in the past. They could've dropped a season of the anime on TH-cam along with their lore video to make people aware of the brand, get them invested, and explain the western rebranding/relaunch. They could've exploited the Dcg to release a few promotional cards or make release western version of the collab cards along with the early sets to as some kind of cross promotion. They could've still tap into a lot of stuff going forward, assuming they do, but the issue is just how late they tried to do anything and the they way they've behaved until now like you mentioned. So, I'm definitely concerned.
@@GCrAnViMaOtaku95 I agree. They have all the tools and with One Piece I think it demonstrates they know how to use them but at the same time, I wouldn't say they DO use them all that often or well.
I still have my MS War Wing Gundam and Epyon starter decks double sleeved in their own deck boxes. I’ve been looking forward to a new gundam tcg
I still have the two starter decks for the MS War somewhere, I thought it was a cool looking game back in the day but it was so confusing so I only actually played it once (probably wrong tbh). Didn't even know they came out with Gundam War next in English as my card shop clearly didn't stock them.
Props to this man staying on brand with all those Meyrin support items.
I still have some of my wing cards, and a few years ago someome gave me a starter battle deck, 2 decks etc, for the SD game
When in Tokyo this may, I spend much money and time in arcades playing Arsenal Base and had my goal set to reach Gold Rank on my account (I did manage that) :D have some col cards as a collection now. Hope it still exists when i manage to have another vacation in japan.
I have so many MS War cards. I just stare at them in their binder for nostalgia. I can't bring myself to get rid of two Epyons and Milliardo Peacecraft.
"It's time to D-D-D-Duel!" - Kakarot197 probably
*Plays Duel Gundam in Attack Mode*
"It's Dueling time."
- Kakarot197, probably
Blue Eyes White Dragon card is GP02 with Nuke😂
@@ZROSTARS The Egyptian God cards are just the three RX-0's.
meanwhile we need a Gundam tabletop game similar to Warhammer 40k but more customizable because Gunpla.
FYI Battle Spirits is not a Magic clone. It has colors and reductions, sure but its such a different game, especially since the game revolves around cores and not lands. The feel is not the same at all, cause monsters you play don't have summoning sickness. And EVERY card you play counts for cost reduction.
I swear Bandai and co. need to hire this guy on salary. He's practically single-handedly helping Bandai sell more Gunpla and such. Hes also professional as hell! I swear im watching a tv news channel cept this news channel is actually worth watching.
One thing to keep in mind with MTG and duel masters that you kinda started but I don't think made ultra clear. Both are made 100% by wizards of the coast they don't just have the same designer.
Kinda weird that an American company makes one of the top three JP TCGs (at least of this year) but there you go.
..... I've been looking a LOT into as much japanese dual masters stuff as I could since gavan verhey the Principal Magic Designer at Wizards of the Coast outright said dual masters has inspired MTG in a few ways.
Lastly pretty good content here!
Bandai definitely has history with failing to keep card games going.
Most of the reason seems to boil down to
1. Cannibalizing their own market by releasing so many different card games of alot of other series at the same time.
2. Rampant power creep that makes previous sets card unusable.
And bandai being bandai they will probably never change 😅
Even though I’m in the US, I’ve got a decent collection of Try Age and Arsenal Base cards that I’ve put together over the last couple of years. They’re absolutely incredible in person, especially the high rarities. Try Age has some really crazy holos while Arsenal Base has some incredible embossing on virtually every detail and panel line of the artwork. Even Japanese Battle Spirits are impressive as all rarities including the commons are holos. While I’ve never played the games themselves, from a purely collectors standpoint, they’re totally worth it as a fan of the franchise, if you can get your hands them via the secondhand market.
I Honestly, bandai been learning a lot.
Cause this isnt only a gundam issue, it was also for all of their TCGs in the past BS as you mentioned but also Dragonball and Digimon which the later had two games which flopped.
But i feel like after the "success" of DragonBall Masters tcgs which is celebrating 7 years and is west only, they probably learned a lot about the market, and then we got the new digimon TCg which was a success and now One Piece being their biggest tcg thus far.
Of course it all will depend on how well received it will be but, i believe things will go well, unless card design goes bad.
But even so, after the flop set 2 of BSS was and DB Fusion World set 2 issue (for some reason their sets 2 is cursed due to power creep lol), the games continued on.
BSS lives on its niche but wasnt plugged off.
I guess they arent to strict in the terms of profit they want to make, cause honestly, they tend to shut down everything that they dont deem successful (mobile games such as digimon all got shut down, gundam evolution as well went down and maybe a few others).
Still despite all this, their landscape on the TCG market as been pretty good and one with the most success currently.
Lets just hope they keep it up and dont change their minds ahahah
gundam war nex-a evolved from trying to make the game balanced with the (OG Crusade, Bones Crusade, Macross Crusade, Jojo Crusade, etc) crusade tcg system (adding the g-zone ability so you didn't need to rely on the generation cards anymore to generate resources so it became closer to duel masters)
I seen the gundam sd card game in store back in day and gundam wing one too
wish I still had the few Gundam Wing ones from like 2 decades ago I had as a kid
During my trip to Tokyo, i ended up with a whole deck of Arsenal base cards.
I played the game like twice. I got the rest for free from looting the unwanted cards bin. Got every single common/rare/M of that season.
I’m hyped for the new card game, didnt know there were so many card games before, but I guess it’s only logical given Gundam exists since the 70’s more or less huh
4:18 HOREEEY SHEEITOOO thats me >W
Extremely hyped for this new iteration, my only hope is they learning from past mistakes
i love card games and gundam... can't wait to spend money on something that goes away a couple years later.
As a card gaming nerd, I'm watching this with interest and hesitation. So far, the mechanics seem fine, albeit a little oddly worded in spots. The resource deck thing is a bit weird, but I understand that's lofted from One Piece. It's basically taking mechanics that work in Bandai's other TCGd and mashing them all together with a coat of Gundam paint. But I really appreciate that all the art seems new, or at the very least it isn't just lazy screen grab bullshit.
Even if the game itself sucks, I'll likely grab a booster box just for collecting and opening cards.
Global gundam tcg?! Fuck pokemon im switching hobbies
I love the “tactical” look of their mascot’s uniforms..
On one hand, I'm very thrilled for the new Gundam Card game. But on the other hand, Bandai is REALLY going to be juggling a lot here. Besides BSS, they run Dragon Ball Super (both the old and Future World), Digimon TCG, One Piece TCG, and the upcoming Union Arena TCG (for America that is).
While I'm over the moon here, I'm just concerned that Bandai may be tackling too many projects and IPs.
man i am glad i didnt know about these cards back when they came out cause i was really into mtg i started playing when 3rd edition came out and spent over 2k dollars over the coarse of a few months i had over 10k cards with over 60 themed decks built and probably could have built at least that many more seeing these would have destroyed my wallet
I'm pretty sure this means that Gundam has the most different TCG games of any franchise. I'm quite sure that Star Wars has the second highest number of different TCGs through history.
Now I know where twin tails federation girl come from. I have seen some art and cosplay, I now she from Gundam but doesn't know which one lol
I bought a box of Gundam War every Saturday. I’m only missing 6 cards from the booster packs and the tournament exclusives to get them all.
I've still got some MS War cards sitting around. It's fun going back and running a game or two with a friend every few years.
... Even if milling cards as damage is an awful mechanic in my opinion...
Oh right The TCGs.
That’s the second instance of western Gundam releases using “M.S.” in the title. Did it pop up anywhere besides this and M.S. Saga?
I wonder how long till non-Anime stuff (manga, video games etc.) appears in this (and if it even lasts that long). The Digimon card game apparently had Cyber Sleuth pretty early though so maybe we’ll see someone weird (but Cyber Sleuth was also the biggest thing Digimon had had in a while).
I have a crosswars deck... Don't ask me why I just impulse bought it when I saw it on Suru. Unfortunately, it does not include the Impulse Gundam.... I am sorry I'll see myself out.
AAAH ASTOLFO? IMPOSSIBLE!
NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO SUMMON HIM.
lol. a new gundam ccg has just been announced for release in all regions next year.
On the one hand if they're really trying to see if they can get a gundam card game to work for real this time and in the states then it wouldn't be that bad. It's working well for digimon from what I'm understanding but at the same time though considering that gundam has not really been doing all that good in the card games sign of things aside from like 2 of them that are only really good in Japan, They're gonna have to do a lot of heavy lifting to try to make this a may stay especially if they're gonna release it in the states. All we can do now is see if this new card game will be actually worth it and if it gets stay for longer than a few months. That said the only thing I know about battle spirits is the fact that a friend introduced me to 2 songs from one of the other series and those 2 songs were dope.
The Gundam War TCG was fun before the power creep started to become really bad, and the card arts (after set 5) was amazing and the card designs was very flavorful.
You forgot Arsenal base and it's very unknown cousin, the Chinese version that was fully licensed by Bandai.
seeing how accesive bandai tcg like digimon,onepiece,unionarena, gundam might be on their next list, also seems they want unify release on all bandai tcg at same time...
Losing by running out of cards... that sounds like he same reasoning as the Battletech card game. The card draw pile is even called the Stock Pile, meaning when you run oiut of cards, you run out of resources. But the rules for that were too complex, combat was confusing, it slowed play and that wasn't fun. This sounds like it will have the same issue, but I've never seen this game before.
Lockon should have had an exception to the highlander rule
I got my two player starter deck for ms wars still.
Yoooo card game on mobile suits?!
Also, if they digitalize this I might play it
Now, are there original Mobile Suits made for these games, and did they ever make Gunpla of them?
Would love to collect some Arsenal Base cards but lmao I'm not buying those off of ebay with the prices some people want to give them
bandai love’s making new card games which they willingly do not supply fully enough
Gouf custom, all wing gundam mc suits , aegis gundam for my new kamikaze build
I suppose Battle Spirits will be the closest thing to a Super Robot Wars TCG we will likely see.
I love battle spirits but sadly it failed. Hopefully its reboot that came out recently does better so we can get some of the crossovers
Give my pure tribal aggro zeon deck!!!!!
Gundam Cross Wars did it, probably we can expect Zeon is another Blitzkrieg deck
I'm already in on digimon 2020 card game.
I'm not going to look past what bandai is doing flooding us with card games. I'm betting whatever one doesn't pay out fast will be cut, and Gundams have a bad record.
You go so many TCGs here now, and Gundam isn't that big here.
I'm to worried to go strong into Gundam for it to end up done in 2 years or less.
I also don't think locally there are enough people for more card games. We got 1 locals for most card games, and extra for digimon & UA.
To people doubting it, I will say: Bandai has been doing really well with their recent card games. Yes, Dragon Ball had to reboot itself, but Digimon and OP are going strong, Battle Spirits is doing well in Japan, and Union Arena is quite fun. Of course there's room for them to flop, but I wouldn't sleep on this yet.
i still have i believe all the gundam wing cards that were released in NA, and got some of the cards from the japanese Gundam War magic clone . Great art with those! I'll remain catious, Bandai ALWAYS had a very hard time promoting or poorly promoting Gundam stuff to the west. No idea how they keep doing it? A great mystery of our time. LOL Others and myself are probably starved for an actual legit Gundam table top minitures game!! They had some successes recently but then they go back 2 or 3 steps with insane unsuccesses as well. Time shall be the judge and the audiance the exuctioner .
I don't know why early 2000s Bandai liked to make rule changes to card games they imported from Japan to the west; they did the same thing with Digimon and that one also didn't last nearly as long as its Japanese counterpart.
Hey! I actually wrote rulings for the Naruto CCG back then! I have no answer for you! I complained about it a lot though! They completely changed there resource system when bringing the game over, but they did not rewrite the cards to match the changed system. It led to a lot of sometimes heated discussion.
I mean, if its as good as the digimon card game, then imma play it
I worried that Gundam Duel Company might repeat itself...
Heart of the new type
Yeah... I welcome this card game. But I am starting to get pissed at them for doing so many projects, but not enough into one basket to make it work nicely. I just want one Gundam game of some sort that can be easy to access, modern, and fun to play for everyone. Even for non-gundam fans... I thought Evolution may be the thing, but the pacing and constant forced meta-change really killed the fun. I was hoping that it would be more like how Deadlock and/or LoL as well and not effectively trying to compete with Overwatch at the time of release.
"Konami makes it work with their ban list"
barely to not at all depending on who you ask.
I just hope its good
To us old Gundam War players, the cards are now all called war bonds now, which we are still asking Bandai to compensate us!
Where is Gundam Duel Company?
They try to do the new Hearthstone mixed With Yugioh?
i still have cards for MS War
Gundam Card Game Development History 😂
Pretty sure I had some of the M.S. War cards at one point. The backs definitely look familiar.
Wow... This video just reinforced that when it comes to Gundam, outside of their model kit department Bandai is just... Incredibly incompetent.
It really seems like making all these machines and card games would be incredibly expensive and I struggle to imagine they are making their money back with such short runs.
that thumbnail though 🥵🥵🥵
I remember seeing MS War back in the day and skipping it because the Colorful packaging made me think it was a knock off or one of the many "Collectable Cards" that they made for popular shows that was mostly made up of screen shots of the show with holographic backgrounds.
Also hearing about ANOTHER Bandai related card game failing in America because they changed the rules for the US Release reminds me of the nightmare that is the Upper Deck Digimon TCG and how butchered it was compared to the original Digimon Hyper Colosseum card game.
i hope doesn't come complicated as Yugioh stuff.
I have the gundam wing cards
i spent on the card game i feel kinda wasted that no one seem collecting at all