FYI for anyone wanting to do 2h fury: This is a good video for dual wield, but some of these items are not bis for 2h fury. Dual wield spec benefits from getting more than 9% hit, but 2h fury doesn't because it doesn't have the dual wield hit penalty. With 2h fury, you achieve 9% hit with Lionheart, Truestrike, Battleborn, Devilsaur set, Blackstone ring, and Blackcrow, so your other slots should have things like crit and attack power instead. Thus, for 2h fury, Omokk's Girth Restrainer is better than Brigam Girdle, Pads of the Dread Wolf is better than Bloodmail Boots. Also, if you're 2h fury, Edgemaster's doesn't give any benefit since you don't use the 1h weapons it buffs, so you're better off w/ Devilsaur. For the weapon, Blackblade of Shahram is probably bis due to the buffs it gives and Windfury being OP with it. Otherwise, get Arcanite Reaper. Take care and have fun this summer! :D
I'd like to add, that 2h fury is alot more viable on horde side. Because of the low hit cap needed for 2h special attacks, hitting your target is very reliable which makes windfury more reliable aswell. These two combined results in more rage gain and therefore a very steady dps rotation on bosses.
I think Demonshear is better than Blackblade because of the speed, and slightly more dps than Arcanite Reaper (except for orcs i guess) because of the proc.
I know they're not the best weapons but you can get away with Iceblade Hacker from scholomance as pre raid for Orc and also Thrash Blade from Maraudon quest
Also, as dual wield fury, if you get Edgemaster's, you don't want to use Devilsaur because you don't get the set bonus. So, on stats alone, Cloudkeeper Legplates are better than Devilsaur Leggings, because they give almost the same attack power in the form of strength (40 attack power vs 46), the same crit in the form of agility (1%), more survivability with 20 stam, and an on use effect that gives you 100 more attack power for 30 seconds (which is all the longer it takes to kill some bosses, but also is great for execute phases).
Couple of things have changed on live classic. Ironfoe/Felstriker combo is NOT the pre-raid BiS for fury anymore, double swords off Rend are, the proc chance for felstriker/ironfoe is significantly lower than on any of the private servers, so its actually not a dps gain over double swords now. Hoj doesn't drop off Emperor, it drops off Angerforge on classic. Atlasloot is currently bugged aswell, so alot of your gear that you're looking to get isn't actually where Atlasloot tells you it is. Otherwise fantastic guide.
It will be a lot of people who think leather is for rogues, mails is for shamans and hunters and plate is for warriors, then complain about it and not really knowing what they are talking about :)
What about.... Marksman Girdle - Urok Doomhowl - LBRS Windreaver Greaves - Kirtonos the Herald - Scholomance. Fury warrior BIS lists never state these two pieces, and I find them to be quite superior. What say you StaySafe?
One special note about the Mark of Fordring. In order to get it as a warrior, you have to give up getting the BiS pre-raid chest-piece for tanks, the Ornate Adamantium Breastplate. This is because they are both quest rewards for the same quest, but you can only choose one, and cannot replay the quest. So if you're building both a tank pre-raid BiS and a DPS pre-raid BiS, you'll have to prioritize one over the other.
I've seen a lot of pre-raid 2hand fury warriors using Demonshear for humans and Arcanite Reaper for orcs do a lot more DPS than any dualweild warrior. This is what a lot of the good warriors have been building.
I don't know if you included this in the newer upload, but you mentioned there would be tabs for all classes in your excel file - was this an eventual thing or is the link messed up?
This is definitely a true bis list, but I think a secondary option to things like Savage Glad and the devilsaur set would be beneficial - a true “poor man’s” bis. Just my 2c.
Good vid. If you are open to suggestions I'd like to see some farm-able alternatives to the weapons due to how difficult they are to obtain, eg Dal'Rends set or even thrash blade.
I'm a bit confused. If you're, say, an Orc, and you and use axes, why would you still go for all the +hit gear? At even just 305 wep skill (lvl 60 plus Orc racial) your chance to miss is 5.4% rather than 8.6%. I think in that instance the belt and potentially legs and hands are better off with more AD/Crit/Strength than with overcapped hit.
please make this a series for every spec and class! would love an enhancement shaman, I know for the most part everything on here is the same besides the weapons, and the plate pieces
In regards to the blackstone ring, as a hunter who primarily farms mara early game for gold on private servers, I dont think that will be a viable option to make gold in Classic. Without the /camp option to exit a dungeon and return to the starting point for a reset, you would have to hearth on each finish. I dont think /camp was an actual function that players could use in retail vanilla. If this is the case you would only be able to hearth once per hour and farming mara would no longer be viable.
In retail vanilla and blizzlike pservers you needed to invite someone, promote then, log out and when you are offline the person kicks you out. After that you log in and you will be at the start of the instance and it's reseted.
good stuff! One question tho, you're sure the Chest from BRD Arena will be available at the start? If i remember correctly it was added in later patches.
It was there from the beginning, but the stats were updated at a later patch. Blizzard has stated they will be using the later stats on the items from the beginning.
Its super easy to farm, I got one for a guildie with a 55 mage and myself as a 60 healer. If 3 people and one not being 60 can get it, you can run the place a few times (or a ton) and get it. Ironfoe and Felstriker are considerably more difficult to get and remain on this list. And Hand of justice off the same boss is notorious for having low drop rates as well
It may be worth mentioning that for humans the thrash blade is a great alternative for an offhand especially with Ironfoe since they have +5 to maces and swords
2h fury is a leveling spec that only works well on private servers. It's not a spec that anyone should play on classic because you can't sit to proc enrage.
Uhm what mate? Your reasoning is just not correct. 2H fury is comparable to duel wield, on Horde 2H fury might even exceed in phase 1-5. It all depends on what weapon upgrade you have available and the knowledge of gearing.
That chest will have very diffrent stat in phase 1. It has something like 20 def and 14 stamina. It might be prot warr tank BiS, however its not even a little good for a fury warrior. Don't go for it
This is lacking the AV exalted ring, Don Julios band i believed its called, and the savage gladiator chain is real bad till 1.10 where it gets updated as well as bloodmail boots
I can do a quick one for you on the top of my head: 40 shadowspellpower BOE, neck from DME waterboss, 30 shadow shoulders BOE, 21 shadow cloak BOE, robe of the winter nights or the epic crafted one, 21 shadow bracers BOE, felcloth gloves that give 33 shadow BOE, belt from BRD arena with +1 hit, LBRS pants from Omokk, Boots from strat UD, First ring is BEE ring from AH with spellpower, 2nd ring is BRD quest ring, trink is +2% crit from ony preq and reed from UBRS. Weapon is 1% crit sword from goblin in maraudon or if DM E dagger that gives 19 shadow spellpower. Offhand is alterec valley, a green BOE with +shadow or a green one from a quest that gives 20 spellpower (cant remember name sorry) - This is roughly what you're looking for. Wand is obviously a high shadow spell damage wand, and anything +20 is going to last throughout the expansion pretty much.
hey would be nice to have some axe alternative too deepwounds and flurry axe. I was thinking like, i guess boneslicing hatchet for offhand and i'm not sure of a mainhand.
This information was meh. We've seen all this information a ton of times. Giving a 2nd or even 3rd alternative to each slot would make for a better video IMO. I understand that there is an end all, be all to bis, but you need to be realistic and offer some alternatives like the 2% hit, leather quest shoulders (wyrmhide spaulders) for example.
I think you should take in the Chromatic Carapace (12895) or Breastplate of Bloodthirst (12757) too. Just because you had fs and if as weapons. And How about the PvP set before Rank14 ? How does PvP set for Rank10 compare in your opinion?
I remember competing with another warrior in my guild on the dps meter. I used deathbringer and doom's edge. He had ironfoe and felstrike. I was always shocked at how damn good that combo is. On paper I should win bigtime, but it was not always the case. TL;DR Ironfoe, Felstrike is gonna last you to AQ40.
It will decrease the chance that you get a glancing blow on your white hits which account for the majority of your damage early on therefore you will do much more damage overall..you can google it for the exact percentages and what not. Forgot to mention you will only be using these vs bosses since they are a higher level you will have a higher chance that your white hits become glancing blows..you don't need them vs level 60 mobs IE trash
@@tylerkujawa345 Doesn't reduce your chance, you always have the same chance to glancing blow white hits. What it does is reduce the damage penalty you get when you perform a glancing blow.
Video is very wrong, Fury's only need to gear for 6% hit and only need edgemasters if they're not an orc or human. Once you have 6% hit and 305+ weapon skill start stacking AP and Crit. Items I'd swap Mask of the unforgiven for Eye of Rend (of course LH trumps both though) Battleborn Armbraces for Vambracers of the Sadist Devilsaur Gauntlets are better than edgemasters if you're an orc or a human Brigam girdle for Omokk's Girth Restrainer Bloodmail boots for Battlechasers greaves Blackstone ring for Magni's Will Blackcrow for Riphook If you don't have much gear and need the hit your best switches from what I listed will be Battleborn Armbraces, Blackstone ring, Bloodmail boots and Blackcrow/Satyr bow but you should always gear for 6% hit so switch your gear around accordingly.
FYI for anyone wanting to do 2h fury: This is a good video for dual wield, but some of these items are not bis for 2h fury. Dual wield spec benefits from getting more than 9% hit, but 2h fury doesn't because it doesn't have the dual wield hit penalty. With 2h fury, you achieve 9% hit with Lionheart, Truestrike, Battleborn, Devilsaur set, Blackstone ring, and Blackcrow, so your other slots should have things like crit and attack power instead. Thus, for 2h fury, Omokk's Girth Restrainer is better than Brigam Girdle, Pads of the Dread Wolf is better than Bloodmail Boots. Also, if you're 2h fury, Edgemaster's doesn't give any benefit since you don't use the 1h weapons it buffs, so you're better off w/ Devilsaur. For the weapon, Blackblade of Shahram is probably bis due to the buffs it gives and Windfury being OP with it. Otherwise, get Arcanite Reaper. Take care and have fun this summer! :D
I'd like to add, that 2h fury is alot more viable on horde side. Because of the low hit cap needed for 2h special attacks, hitting your target is very reliable which makes windfury more reliable aswell. These two combined results in more rage gain and therefore a very steady dps rotation on bosses.
I think Demonshear is better than Blackblade because of the speed, and slightly more dps than Arcanite Reaper (except for orcs i guess) because of the proc.
@@rzk9995 the problem with Demonshear is that it takes up a debuff slot without adding much utility to the raid.
IMO 2h fury is only viable once you have access to The Untamed Blade.
Vivereftw appreciate this comment thank you!!!
This was amazing, super quick and informative! Please do all classes!!
This is really useful, with just the right amount of commentary. Thanks!
Good informative guide, didnt drag it out 2 long, well edited. I like your silly side on stream but I also appreciate the more serious staysafe.
Cloudkeeper Legplates are a better option than devilsaur leggings if you are using edgemaster's.
Awesome info. Good, concise delivery. Locations on the spreadsheet would've been super helpful.
Wow someone actually getting straight to the video, nice
2 piece devilsaur is better than edgemaster if you are human with swords or orc with axes
I know they're not the best weapons but you can get away with Iceblade Hacker from scholomance as pre raid for Orc and also Thrash Blade from Maraudon quest
Thanks for this guide, Staysafe
Also, as dual wield fury, if you get Edgemaster's, you don't want to use Devilsaur because you don't get the set bonus. So, on stats alone, Cloudkeeper Legplates are better than Devilsaur Leggings, because they give almost the same attack power in the form of strength (40 attack power vs 46), the same crit in the form of agility (1%), more survivability with 20 stam, and an on use effect that gives you 100 more attack power for 30 seconds (which is all the longer it takes to kill some bosses, but also is great for execute phases).
I’m really glad you changed the video to change some things. Most people wouldn’t do that at all
Couple of things have changed on live classic.
Ironfoe/Felstriker combo is NOT the pre-raid BiS for fury anymore, double swords off Rend are, the proc chance for felstriker/ironfoe is significantly lower than on any of the private servers, so its actually not a dps gain over double swords now.
Hoj doesn't drop off Emperor, it drops off Angerforge on classic. Atlasloot is currently bugged aswell, so alot of your gear that you're looking to get isn't actually where Atlasloot tells you it is.
Otherwise fantastic guide.
hoj comfirmed dropped from anger
Blew my mind that a warrior would wear so much mail/leather! Nice video, thanks!
Most plate dungeon drops are designed for tanks
It will be a lot of people who think leather is for rogues, mails is for shamans and hunters and plate is for warriors, then complain about it and not really knowing what they are talking about :)
These videos are absolute gold, more classes my man, you are killing it!
What about....
Marksman Girdle - Urok Doomhowl - LBRS
Windreaver Greaves - Kirtonos the Herald - Scholomance.
Fury warrior BIS lists never state these two pieces, and I find them to be quite superior.
What say you StaySafe?
One special note about the Mark of Fordring. In order to get it as a warrior, you have to give up getting the BiS pre-raid chest-piece for tanks, the Ornate Adamantium Breastplate. This is because they are both quest rewards for the same quest, but you can only choose one, and cannot replay the quest.
So if you're building both a tank pre-raid BiS and a DPS pre-raid BiS, you'll have to prioritize one over the other.
there are very viable alternatives to the breastplate. there is close to no alternative for the necklace
Thanks for making it phase 1 so we don't go hunting pieces that won't be in existence yet. (Y)
Awesome video man- informative and to the point. Thanks!
I've seen a lot of pre-raid 2hand fury warriors using Demonshear for humans and Arcanite Reaper for orcs do a lot more DPS than any dualweild warrior. This is what a lot of the good warriors have been building.
wrong, coz you cannot generate rage with 2h weapon as much as with duelweild weapons
Oh i hope you do every class this was great!
Where's the Warlock Pre-Raid Bis Guide? Thought you would do that one first, I'll be waiting!
I don't know if you included this in the newer upload, but you mentioned there would be tabs for all classes in your excel file - was this an eventual thing or is the link messed up?
I remember running into a small warlock in a spider cave. I asked him if he was wearing a shirt. He said no. BRING BACK OLD STAYSAFE
This is definitely a true bis list, but I think a secondary option to things like Savage Glad and the devilsaur set would be beneficial - a true “poor man’s” bis. Just my 2c.
awesome, still useful in 2024
Good vid. If you are open to suggestions I'd like to see some farm-able alternatives to the weapons due to how difficult they are to obtain, eg Dal'Rends set or even thrash blade.
thanks so much SS!
Look at all that hunter gear >:)
good shit man, keep it up
I'm a bit confused. If you're, say, an Orc, and you and use axes, why would you still go for all the +hit gear? At even just 305 wep skill (lvl 60 plus Orc racial) your chance to miss is 5.4% rather than 8.6%. I think in that instance the belt and potentially legs and hands are better off with more AD/Crit/Strength than with overcapped hit.
no go for hit! or at 9% hit with crit
great vid! good to hear locks can solo maraudon too, i love that instance and will main orc lock :D
Do you plan on doing more pve or Pvp?
@@tybones2222 Hard to say, probly 50/50
Please add in excel list the dungeons and boss where this items dropps! Thx
Damn I can’t wait for another no changes vanilla fresh
Ty! Nice video
please make this a series for every spec and class! would love an enhancement shaman, I know for the most part everything on here is the same besides the weapons, and the plate pieces
So how much hit are you looking for?
What about bis 2nd account with windfury totem?
Rune of the guard Captain is a decent trinket for horde. I believe it has hit and ap
In regards to the blackstone ring, as a hunter who primarily farms mara early game for gold on private servers, I dont think that will be a viable option to make gold in Classic. Without the /camp option to exit a dungeon and return to the starting point for a reset, you would have to hearth on each finish. I dont think /camp was an actual function that players could use in retail vanilla. If this is the case you would only be able to hearth once per hour and farming mara would no longer be viable.
In retail vanilla and blizzlike pservers you needed to invite someone, promote then, log out and when you are offline the person kicks you out. After that you log in and you will be at the start of the instance and it's reseted.
Well done hope you do all classes :)
What about Don Julio's Band for the ring?
nice vid thx. a BiS Guide for mc would be nice. what items do you replace? is the set bonus even worth a replace?
Warrior the new rogue, daggers and all now days. =P
Soo.. fury is the only one viable to PVE, or Arms can b viable 2?
good stuff! One question tho, you're sure the Chest from BRD Arena will be available at the start? If i remember correctly it was added in later patches.
It was there from the beginning, but the stats were updated at a later patch. Blizzard has stated they will be using the later stats on the items from the beginning.
@@jazziai Oh thats good news! Then its sealed for me, rolling Warri and Duo-Farming that thing again :D
Thank you! :)
What’s the alternative for axes? Not gonna be able to afford the 2 epics
Rivenspike as MH, Bone Slicing Hatchet as OH
whats the hit cap for fury warrior? seems like this list has a ton of hit
Looking forward to rogue BiS guide however it seems warriors share alot of BiS haha
Yeah, they both want a lot of the same stats. XD
Mage next please
But does the Lionheart Helm already exist or will it come later?
@Staysafe TV, can you put in the spreadsheet an alternative for the chest please? As the boss is not even available every run.
Its super easy to farm, I got one for a guildie with a 55 mage and myself as a 60 healer. If 3 people and one not being 60 can get it, you can run the place a few times (or a ton) and get it. Ironfoe and Felstriker are considerably more difficult to get and remain on this list. And Hand of justice off the same boss is notorious for having low drop rates as well
what's an alternative to axe of deep woods (orc?) mainhand
Hoj drops from anger not emp
It may be worth mentioning that for humans the thrash blade is a great alternative for an offhand especially with Ironfoe since they have +5 to maces and swords
Thrash blade is 2.70 speed which makes it terrible for an offhand. You want fast speed on offhand..
awesome video mate! can you do one for mages next?
You might want to include easier to obtain pieces (e.g. from quests, or high chance drops). Also 2h fury?
2h fury is a leveling spec that only works well on private servers. It's not a spec that anyone should play on classic because you can't sit to proc enrage.
@@HallsteinI it works in raids too, slam or no slam, esp on horde
Uhm what mate? Your reasoning is just not correct. 2H fury is comparable to duel wield, on Horde 2H fury might even exceed in phase 1-5. It all depends on what weapon upgrade you have available and the knowledge of gearing.
How long will you survive with almost no stamina as a melee?
As long as you get healed, this IS raid gear. _For_ raids, not _from_ raids.
What about the Nicker?
Where can i find the spreadsheet?:D
That chest will have very diffrent stat in phase 1. It has something like 20 def and 14 stamina. It might be prot warr tank BiS, however its not even a little good for a fury warrior. Don't go for it
The stats are going to be set with the final 1.12 values, no matter which phase you are in.
This is lacking the AV exalted ring, Don Julios band i believed its called, and the savage gladiator chain is real bad till 1.10 where it gets updated as well as bloodmail boots
Well since the Vanilla servers are confirmed to be running 1.12, the chain will be fine.
The unforgiven is on the Living side
The shit side
Warlock pre bis!
Could you make a video for Locks like this
Thanks for the vid staysafe. Can you please do a bis guide for warrior tanks too?
we need warlock pre-bis
I can do a quick one for you on the top of my head: 40 shadowspellpower BOE, neck from DME waterboss, 30 shadow shoulders BOE, 21 shadow cloak BOE, robe of the winter nights or the epic crafted one, 21 shadow bracers BOE, felcloth gloves that give 33 shadow BOE, belt from BRD arena with +1 hit, LBRS pants from Omokk, Boots from strat UD, First ring is BEE ring from AH with spellpower, 2nd ring is BRD quest ring, trink is +2% crit from ony preq and reed from UBRS. Weapon is 1% crit sword from goblin in maraudon or if DM E dagger that gives 19 shadow spellpower. Offhand is alterec valley, a green BOE with +shadow or a green one from a quest that gives 20 spellpower (cant remember name sorry) - This is roughly what you're looking for. Wand is obviously a high shadow spell damage wand, and anything +20 is going to last throughout the expansion pretty much.
@@TheAntonergud dme isn't out at release genius, neither is av. This is phase one guide. What an idiot.
11% hit ?? Isnt the hitcap for ORC with axes and human with swords are at 9% ?
hit and weapon expertise are not same. expertise is about decrease glacing blow not about hit/miss.
Re-upload again? 😅 Fixed i c. GJ
Thank you Daniel Radcliffe for both killing voldemort and helping me gear up.
hey would be nice to have some axe alternative too deepwounds and flurry axe. I was thinking like, i guess boneslicing hatchet for offhand and i'm not sure of a mainhand.
And now every other PvE pre bis please :)
HoJ is off Angerforge I thought
Please do Spriest BiS
Good video, can u do prot warrior next maybe?
Lionheart helm won't drop until phase 5.
Molten Core
This information was meh. We've seen all this information a ton of times. Giving a 2nd or even 3rd alternative to each slot would make for a better video IMO. I understand that there is an end all, be all to bis, but you need to be realistic and offer some alternatives like the 2% hit, leather quest shoulders (wyrmhide spaulders) for example.
I think you should take in the Chromatic Carapace (12895) or Breastplate of Bloodthirst (12757) too. Just because you had fs and if as weapons. And How about the PvP set before Rank14 ? How does PvP set for Rank10 compare in your opinion?
Pvp sets come out phase 2 brother
@@wilemplank8154 Yea but that's really soon. 99% of fury warriors wont have full pre-raid BiS before phase 2.
@@WhiteBandit anyone that cares about pre-raid bis lists will...
@@Xcitng1988 do you have any idea how hard is to get FS ? Let alone both FS&IF emphasis on FULL pre-raid bis. Its just pure luck in that point.
prot warrior bis?
Mage next ?:)
I remember competing with another warrior in my guild on the dps meter. I used deathbringer and doom's edge. He had ironfoe and felstrike. I was always shocked at how damn good that combo is. On paper I should win bigtime, but it was not always the case.
TL;DR Ironfoe, Felstrike is gonna last you to AQ40.
Edgemasters Gauntlets are that good? Can someone give me a tldr; of why +7 weapon skill is so good?
It will decrease the chance that you get a glancing blow on your white hits which account for the majority of your damage early on therefore you will do much more damage overall..you can google it for the exact percentages and what not. Forgot to mention you will only be using these vs bosses since they are a higher level you will have a higher chance that your white hits become glancing blows..you don't need them vs level 60 mobs IE trash
This is incorrect.
@@tylerkujawa345 Doesn't reduce your chance, you always have the same chance to glancing blow white hits. What it does is reduce the damage penalty you get when you perform a glancing blow.
@@jazziai ah yea thats it thanks for the clarification
HOJ drops from Angerforge
pleaseeeeeee do this for warlock
Time to upp the klipp becus DM instan
So Daniel Radcliffe now is a youtuber. Cool.
warlocks next
mage next pls
mage next?
ROGUE - WHEN ? :D Good Job
If I lose any of these epics to a Hunter ima roll BFA!
Video is very wrong, Fury's only need to gear for 6% hit and only need edgemasters if they're not an orc or human. Once you have 6% hit and 305+ weapon skill start stacking AP and Crit.
Items I'd swap
Mask of the unforgiven for Eye of Rend (of course LH trumps both though)
Battleborn Armbraces for Vambracers of the Sadist
Devilsaur Gauntlets are better than edgemasters if you're an orc or a human
Brigam girdle for Omokk's Girth Restrainer
Bloodmail boots for Battlechasers greaves
Blackstone ring for Magni's Will
Blackcrow for Riphook
If you don't have much gear and need the hit your best switches from what I listed will be Battleborn Armbraces, Blackstone ring, Bloodmail boots and Blackcrow/Satyr bow but you should always gear for 6% hit so switch your gear around accordingly.
fucking love this man! plz tell me you are doing all the calsses?
Arcanite Reaper>any 1hand
Yoo! can u make one with pre raid BiS arms pvp gear ? :D
Why did you re upload this?
needed to correct a few mistakes that I found in the previous version. Was debating letting it be but didn't want to spread too much incorrect info
Revised with new chest slot
@@StaysafeTV Cool and great video thanks for the quick reply!
So essentially the Hunter pre raid BiS gear LUL
Fury Rogue*
hes reading off script u can tell when he said hoj drops from emperor whille doing lava runs lol!
He might be, but to be fair, there's a patch coming up that makes hoj only drops from emp and not anger. So hes not entirely wrong