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100% wanted a R7 ii. Definitely better autofocus and buffer.
waiting
Give me an RF-S 100-400mm f4 to f5.6 for the same size, weight and cost as the RF 100-400mm
buffer? spend $20 extra on cards and the buffer is great, i shoot CRAW and i can smash 140 shots (9+ seconds) of pics on EFC mode or something like 80(2.5+ seconds) on electronic shutter and the buffer clears in 5 seconds or so, if you need to shoot more photos than that i have no idea what you are doing
@@syllycatface I would take a look at the video that he produced about the r7 buffer size and impact to auto/continuous focus. I've experienced this greatly with this camera. Hence is only my B camera for professional work and my travel camera. Primary cameras the Canon R6 Mark II work. I have worked with Rudy and others at Canon and they have confirmed the concerns that I have experienced and Jan. Since I also do professional cycling I like the extra reach of the crop sensor.
I just want the R7 II to come out so the original R7 becomes more affordable. It would be great to have a faster sensor and better EVF on the R7 II but even better would be getting an R7 for cheap.
As a bird photographer, the Canon R7's rolling shutter speed and high-ISO capabilities could be further optimized for capturing avian subjects. A potential R7 Mark II addressing these limitations would be a compelling proposition.
I really hope the R7ll come this year
with maybe a stacked sensor
I would also love to see this happen. The more and more I use the R7, the more I appreciate APS-C…I just don’t have a fantastic hit rate with the autofocus and absolutely hate the mechanical shutter noise and shock.
@@kevindiossi if you do birds in flight use electronic first curtain and turn off eye detection. Your hit rate will improve massively
The R7 is a turd, get an R6II or an R5, get off the I need an APS-C sensor for cropping bandwagon.
@@badboyvr4 I have two R3 Bodies, an R5, and an R6 Mark II. I still absolutely have a want and need for an APS-C camera. Reevaluate the whole full-frame snobbery.
@@badboyvr4 yes lets just all spend thousands more on gear, you forget 90% of photographers are hobby photographers and dont want to blow out the budget, plus shooting APS-C in my experience is SO much more fun
I see R7 II rumors and I click.
I'd much prefer a Canon R7 mkII, than a R6 mkIII. Generally, I prefer crop sensors for reach, whether it be birds or macro (every time I use a FF camera, and I own them, I realize how much closer you need to be). The R7 is a great little camera, and I've even got to like the dial around the joystick. Resolution is good, and I like the camera in general, but it obviously has the limitation of rolling shutter, and a lower resolution EVF, which isn't too bad. But give it a stacked sensor, a decent buffer, and just a moderate EVF upgrade, and it would be a killer wildlife camera. I mean, if it was 32mp or better, had a better pre-shooting implementation, and a stacked sensor, I wouldn't be looking for anything more. I could see my days out, with what Canon has now, but welcome more.
The problem is Canon they will give it a stacked sensor when stack sensor 3.0 is already outdated is other cameras. Canon does not want to give amateurs a complete package and they never will.
I don't know how many times I have told my wife that THIS is the last camera I will ever need! It's got everything I could ever want! She just laughs at me when I say that now!
they certainly have a lot to improve on the R7; would like to see them drop the MP and go with different shutter assembly. 26-28mp would help a lot with the horrible hi-iso performance, and more gentle curtain action would help minimize the shutter shock/# of soft images this camera produces .. This camera for me at higher frame rates creates far too many images that lose critical sharpness and become unusable. going into a shoot knowing arbitrary images will be unexplainably soft makes me hesitant and promotes overshooting, these are two variables no photog wants to add to a shoot!
The type of upgrades people want in this camera would raise it into a completely different price range. I don't think many people want to spend big money on a crop sensor camera
@@christophercarlimages9003 if it was a capable crop body with legit features, I think a $2k+ APCS body would be an easy yes amongst working pros who want to add 3rd/addl body.
Would absolutely love to see a lower MP crop body with crazy buffer, legit AF, and some useable hi ISOs. Add some legit video codecs, gyro data, snd gorgeous screen/EVF, I’d gladly throw $2k+ at this. Don’t need global shutter, don’t need 35mp, don’t need IBIS, don’t need to record 30 min at a time at 4k120, etc etc. be a good move on Canon’s part to make a Pro R7 body alongside the normal style crop body they produce.
I agree with you, R7 is a good camera with some some significant shortcomings, yet it was a commercial succes with the prosummers wildlife photographers.
An R7 mk ii with a fast readout sensor and improved autofocus would be a great combo with the rf 100-500mm or the 200-800mm and would be very interesting for the growing segment of wildlife photographers.
Cheers
The kind of upgrades that are needed would catapult this camera into a completely different price point. I don't see that happening. Probably a few small incremental upgrades to keep people buying. The buffer is horrendous, autofocus and IQ mediocre and ISO performance lousy. Probably see the same exact camera with all of these parameters marginally better to keep the price close to where it is. Most bird photographers eventually move on to full frame because they realize the shortcomings of these crop sensor offerings.
@@christophercarlimages9003I didn’t say anything about maintaining the price point.
Canon has proven, yet again, that there’s a market for an APS-C pro-summer wildlife camera and many wildlife TH-camrs have mentioned that though the R7 currently has shortcomings it could be a great camera when reach is critical (like with small, fast moving birds) with some significant upgrades.
Yes there are drawbacks to cameras with APS-C sized sensors, but cameras like the venerable Nikon D500 are the proof that full frame isn’t necessarily the only way to go.
As someone who’s had a great number of photos published in national publications I can tell you that the customer doesn’t care about what format you use, it’s mostly about the emotion conveyed by the photo (and I have shot with MFT, APS-C and full frame). I’m not saying that IQ isn’t important, but it’s not their main concern.
If you don’t like the idea of an R7 mk II, that’s totally up to you, but by making such a camera, Canon could position themselves as leader in a very lucrative growing market by offering products that others don’t have. And yes eventually some of the R7 buyers might even see the light (pun intended) and may decide to get a full frame camera, but by then they’ll probably already be significantly invested in RF glass…
@@christophercarlimages9003 "The kind of upgrades that are needed would catapult this camera into a completely different price point." I don't think I said anything about the price point of the R7 mk II. I'm usually fine with paying for quality gear.
"The buffer is horrendous, autofocus and IQ mediocre and ISO performance lousy." I think it would be fair to say that you don't have a high opinion of the R7. Having used the R7 since it first came out, I find your evaluation to be generally accurate about the shortcomings but overly harsh. Of all my cameras, it's not my favorite camera but, if you know how to use it you can get some amazing results despite it's shortcomings.
"Most bird photographers eventually move on to full frame because they realize the shortcomings of these crop sensor offerings". There's no perfect camera system, there's always a compromise it's either cost, weight, ISO performance,... Having shot with MFT, APS-C and full frame and having had numerous photos published nationally, I can assure you that the clients don't care about the gear you use to make the shot, the care about the story the photo conveys. Nowadays with all the fancy software that exists, high ISO shots are not as much of an issue as they use to be. I find that crop sensors cameras can be a valuable asset when shooting smaller fast moving birds or animals. The venerable Nikon D500 is a fine example of how good an APS-C camera can be.
Despite the shortcomings of the R7, Canon has proved that an APS-C camera geared towards pro-summer wildlife photographer can be a commercial success. It would be nice to see them push the R7 forward by addressing it's shortcomings like they did for the R6 and like they're rumoured to be willing to to do for the R5 and the R6 mk II. It's good to have options and choices.
Happy fourth of July and cheers mate
@@christophercarlimages9003 I don't agree, I have moved from an R5 to the R7. There is a huge market for medium/high end cropped sensor bodies. If Canon cannot see it, eventually others will.
@@EduardoSimioni1 Canon doesn't even have a full frame sensor in a pro body and you think they are going to have a high end crop sensor body? Good luck with that. Fuji is the only company that even has a stacked crop sensor and it's not in a form factor that would compete with anyone using the R7
As someone who currently has an R7 and loves using it - its SO much fun to use, I'm currently stuck between seeing what the R5mkII is bringing to the table and getting one and waiting out 12 months to see if they make an R7mkII. Because honestly I would pay near double the current R7 price for an R7mkII that has an updated sensor with better low light/DR and autofocus and current R5 levels of rolling shutter in electronic mode even if they dropped back to 20-25fps in electronic mode instead of spending possibly AU$7000 for an R5mkII. I really just love shooting APS-C so much, sure with an R5mkII and sometimes using a 1.4x converter would provide better results overall but as a hobby shooter, mostly just uploading photos to instagram you don't need insane specs, AF and capturing the moments and making memories is the most important thing for me!
I find myself having to work harder and harder to not be negative toward Canon, and I'm waiting for official announcements. You pretty much nailed everything with your breakdown. If these rumors are substantially correct, I don't see any path forward for the R3 II. Especially at the same price point as the original R3.
I have been told that the new battery grip for the R5 is really a "cooling grip", which makes me less confident that they have actually solved the overheating problems. I can see them re-designing the R6 II to make the new grip fit both models.
I have to keep reminding myself that we don't invest in cameras, we invest in the shots that come out of them. This R6III, as rumored, would be an incredible mid-tier camera - and I don't mean that in a condescending way. I just hope they have features in their top-tier bodies that really differentiate them, and not just flashy toys.
If these rumors of an R6mk3 are true, it seems that the price to upgrade to their better 24 mpx offerings may not be worth it. $2500 for a potential R6mk3 and $6500 for an R1, with many of the shared specs? They aren't making their "flagship" camera really stand out in any major way.
It tells me Canon is having problems producing higher megapixel sensors with fast read out. Or they are trying to grab as much market share before other brands start producing higher mp with stacked or fast readout sensors. Then sell expensive lenses to make up for the cheap cameras, not allowing 3rd party to produce ff af RF lenses.
I think an upgraded R7 II with a stacked sensor, a much bigger buffer and a CFExpress Type B card could really set the bar for APS-C mirrorless camera. An R3 with 32-36 megapixel stacked full frame sensor would also fill an open niche in the Canon line up.
The only thing I miss on the R6 ii is a stacked sensor.
Weird I was thinking of the R7II and this video came up thanks Jan!
The algorithm is always watching 😂
Maybe an R3 mkii will have a 50 megapixel sensor… that would be awesome
Agreed!!
Great video as always Jan. A upgrade of the r7 would have been nice, specially if they could put in a stacked sencor. Fuji have that in their high end crop camera, so Canon should be able to do that too. Specially because they make their own sencors. I am currently using the r7, and yes, the read out speed is terrible. But the quality of the files, when it's not showing it really great. I would rather prefer a 24-26mp stacked than the 32,5 that we have now. Think that could work out very well, and give it a even better low light performance.
Wishing you, and yours a great week.
Cheers, Bjoern
I am very satisfied with the R6II. The only thing I miss is spot exposure metering on the AF point. The R7II is very necessary. The too small buffer memory and the lack of a battery grip disqualified the R7for me. My advice to Canon: Make the R7II like the R6II - just with crop sensor.
The price for the R6II was already under €2,000 in December 2023 - effective price after cashback, dealer discount and bonus of battery and RF1.8 50mm.
What is absolutely necessary are 60MP sensors for the R5- and R1 series to keep up with Sony.
R7mkII, yes please. Stick a stacked or BSI sensor in there, improve the AF, up the buffer or allow for slower shooting as the buffer clears, allow for a battery grip, and up the video frame rates. The body is fine as is, I do really like ergonomics. I played around with the R6mkII and found I miss the dial around the joystick simce i naturally put my thumb there.
To me it's annoying with all these 24 mpix cameras. Considering changing to Sony.
with all their 24mp cameras? yeah, nice one 😁
Always enjoy your videos. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
I'd say that the R3 is a dead duck. There's no point in it when they have an R1 and R5II. With the R5II and R1 it makes sense to upgrade to a R6III. The new sensor will also further differentiate the R6III from the R8. I've got an R6 and R7 and would probably go for the R6III. The R7 is a great camera for the money, but almost everyone would rather it was a greater camera for a few hundred dollars more, and not have such different controls than the R6.
The R6 MKII is a body I have been thinking of getting. Good info here Jan, telling us there is a MKIII in the works.
R7 II is definitely the one I'm waiting for.
There could be lots of improvements, of course, but a sensor with better ISO performance and faster readout speeds would be enough for me to upgrade. A dream would be an R5 performance with a cropped sensor. I'd buy it right away.
R7 mk ii needs a new sensor. That sensor has been around for several years, in the 90D and M6ii. It shows its age in noise and rolling shutter. 30MP with a fast readout would be optimal. At the same time, the mechanical shutter is too loud and affected by vibration. Personally I’m happy with the size and ergonomics, and don’t need a battery grip. Keep it small!
Thanks for video - your videos are always very helpful and current and address key issues - I still want a crop sensor R7 to go along with R6 Mk2 especially is my 200-800 ever arrives !!!
I am a hobbyist photographer. Even though I subscribe to your channel and several other wildlife and bird photography channels. I mainly do most of my photography, while traveling, family events and holidays. I currently own the Nikon Z50 with both kit lenses (great travel camera). The idea that Canon would introduce a R7II, may convince me to jump ship. It obvious to me (so far) that Nikon has no plans to release a new APSC camera anytime soon. I believe that Nikon has the best and affordable wildlife lenses in the market. A new Nikon APSC camera with similar AF to their ZF and Z6III, IBIS and better battery, would take some customer away from Sony and Canon.
I always thought the R3 would be a one off like the EOS 3, almost like a prototype R1. Will there still be a market for R3 once the R1 is available?
It would then make sense to keep R6 up to date as the competition isn‘t sitting still.
As you say, perhaps an R3 “prototype“ with a global shutter could be a possible future option, maybe as a G1😊
😅 the start is pretty funny
canon really don't know what they are going to do. fall shorts in so many area, don't know which one to focus.
Must be why they're the number camera maker
spot on re: R6II; while i wish it had 4k120, gotta say i end up with pretty great results using Topaz to upscale the HD 120/180fps to 4k. Certainly not optimal and adds another step, but most of the time works incredibly better than expected. made the decision to get 2x R6II vs 1 R5 for nearly the same money, and overall could not be happier with this decision.
where the R6III would be advantageous is if they. improve the buffer, don't like to rely on CRAW to get usable bursts. while CRAW is handy and useful in a lot of ways, i just don't like the IQ degradation beyond iso6400 or so.
thanks again for the updated video, awesome you're staying on top of the latest news!
Thanks for your videos Jan, I enjoy your thoughts! Please give us your thoughts on the new R5mk II ASAP when available as I’m looking to upgrade my R5 if the mk II is worth the money!
At this point, I can't even see a reason for Canon to continue the R3. I would love if Canon would repurpose the R3 body into the R5 II. This would solve the need for a separate grip and extra batteries.
Agreed. The R3 line didnt exist during the days of the dslr, it was the 6ds, 5d then the 1ds....The creation of the R3 line look more like an after thoughts to me or just something to hold down their exisiting sport shooters before they ran out of patient waiting for the R1(which was supposed to be lengendary) and jump ship to other brands. 😂
They have to discontinue it if they want to push people into buying essentially an incremental upgrade in what is the R1.
People need camera upgrades every year... 😂Just like iphone....
These companies have sure figured out how to keep us broke!
Give me an R7 II and the RF 200-800mm and I'm a happy man.
Thanks for the latest news giving use something to look forward to in the near future. It all sounds exciting! I was just wondering if you think it’s possible that since the R1 will be 24 megapixels if the R3 II might then be upgraded to a 45 megapixel stacked sensor like what’s going to be in the R5 Mk II ? It seems to me to make little sense to have two 24 megapixel sports cameras and think it unlikely that they would just discontinue the R3 line after putting all the work into designing and producing the camera 🤔
Great video. When buying into canon I was very close to purchasing the r7 as i love a crop sensor, but the qualities just weren't good enough for me, so I went for the r6ii. If an r7ii came out with a lot of the issues sorted I would definitely get it and l'm sure it would also dominate the mirrorless crop sensor market.
Thanks for sharing
I just sold my R6 and got a R6 MkII, couldn’t pass up the big discounts. I was going to wait, but knowing that the price may go up a little, I think that this was the sweet spot! Thanks for your insight!
Why is the r6 mk.2 battery grip discontinued? Do you know Jan? I love mine.
Nobody wants an R7 Mk II more than I do ! I SO love / hate my R7's :) lol I don't feel like its really "the best choice" for me right now, but rather "my ONLY choice" ! I had an R5, and it was okay, but never gave me enough reach. So I 'upgraded' to the R7 two yrs ago. Great decision, and I never looked back. But the shutter roll, small buffer, no grip, URGGG ! Canon PLEASE bring the much improved R7 Mk II sooner, rather than later ! I feel like an R7 Mk II on the 200-800 will be the Holy Grail for small bird photography. I guess Canon just wants me to save my money :( Thanks Canon.
You are one of the only people I know who thinks the performance of the R7 is better than the R5. I own both and even with the extra reach the R7 sits on the shelf. Awful buffer, mediocre autofocus and IQ , and lousy ISO performance. The extra reach is not worth what you lose in performance
@@christophercarlimages9003 :) lol I might be one of the only people I know, that would say that too :) Please go look at my Flickr page to see what I do with my R7 + 800 F11 (link on my channel). If you scroll far enough back (like to page 4 ?) you will start to see the stuff I did with my R5 (gear and exif below each shot) I mean, I've probably learned a few things in the last two years, since I owned the R5, but the fact is (and I think you will see it too) that I do better now with the R7, than I did then with the R5.
Oh, and another BIG factor, is that I primarily shoot small, skittish birds, and not usually big birds, or BIF. I did a lot more of that kind of stuff WAY back, with DSLR's as a newbie :)
@@christophercarlimages9003I might be one of the only people I know, who would say that too :) lol But the fact of the matter is, I have done SO much better in the last two years with my R7's, than I ever did with my R5. Now, I might have learned a few things in the last couple years about small bird photography too. But the fact remains, my photos taken with the R7 are just better overall, than the photos I took with my R5. You can go see those for yourself if you'd like. Link on my channel. Camera gear and EXIF info below each shot. You will have to go pretty far back (pg 3 or 4?) to see my R5 stuff.
I should also point out, that I shoot mostly small, skittish songbirds and such. The R5 is probably better for larger birds, or BIF. I did more of that kind of stuff way back in the day, with DSLR's as a newbie. Might get back to it a bit more, when I get the 200-800.
@@Chris_Wolfgram You're not the only one, I have switched from an R5 to the R7 for bird/wildlife photography and it was the best decision, the extra reach compensates all of the R7 limitations. There could be lots of improvements, of course, but a sensor with better ISO performance and faster readout speeds would be enough. A dream would be an R5 performance with a cropped sensor. I'd buy right away.
@@EduardoSimioni1 100% ! That's why I say, I love / hate that camera 😀 lol I actually own two of them 🙂👍
Btw, I have a buddy who is a professional birding guide, so his bird photography is a big part of his business. He owns an R5 and Big White lenses, but nowadays shoots the majority of his birds with his R7 and 200-800 lens.
as a R3 owner, I am pissed off. We've had fuck all updates (meaningful ones, not the garbage updates we have received). The R6II's AF is better than the current flagship R3. R3 didn't get horse tracking AF, no pre-capture etc. And what, now Canon wants to give the R3's stacked sensor to a R6III? Talk about shitting on consumers who paid a fortune for the R3...it's already bad enough that we're gonna get screwed with resale value when the R1 and R5II are released...spent 7.5k on a camera, and 2 years later, it's worth like 3k...no other Canon camera will have ever depreciated so badly.
I really do regret sticking with Canon.
edit: sorry for the bad language Jan, but I am growing more and more angry with Canon. I have never felt so betrayed by a manufacturer in my life (and I am 55).
Buying a new camera is like buying a new car. It loses value the second you drive it off the lot! In five years it's "a piece of junk!" Makes much more sense to put your money in lenses and buy used bodies. Let someone else take the hit!
@@alansach8437 They all depreciate of course, but the R3 is getting hammered. And a lot of it is due to Canons choices, especially with the 24MP. The R3 was priced like a flagship but since it’s not one, it’s getting leapfrogged by its other models quite quickly. The R1 in particular if it is released with 24MP, will end the R3 line unless they make changes to it. I would be pissed off as well.
And you should be upset. I sold my R3 early, because all the "rumors" indicated that the R1 release was imminent. They were still in short supply, so I was able to get almost every dollar out of it. There have been a few times that I wished I still had it, but I've done just fine. If these R6III rumors are anywhere near accurate, you really should be upset.
Agree in many ways but also kind of think that the upgrade to an R1 from an R3 is probably not worth the price. I don't see the R1 being head and shoulders above the R3. Hell, even a potential R6mk3 would be a less expensive alternative. R1 seems like a lot of hype for what is essentially an incremental upgrade over the R3.
@@RockPolitics Looks like you should've kept your R3 since the R1 is only going to be 24MP...what a joke...SMDH.
It is interesting that Canon considers a 24MP camera their 'flagship' model, as you said it seems that sports photographers are their most influential/targeted users. Maybe it makes business sense, but definitely leaves a bad taste for those who want a higher MP camera that is weather-sealed. It would be interesting to know if sports journalists even use RAW or if JPG is sufficient if speed to submit images is most crucial.
I am using both the R6 and R6ii side by side. The different position of the on off switch is driving me nuts. Hence, i cant wait for the R6iii to be released so that i can sell the R6 and move up to R6iii so that the on off switch will be the same side for both the cameras😊
oh well i got r6 mark ii couple months back.
for me, its not a bummer that new r6 is coming out. im plenty happy with r6mii and dont feel im missing out on much.
i plan to upgrade my camera maybe 7 years later or so. It is however still interesting for me what canon is going to offer in future iterations of r6 like thr mark III.
Hi Jan! I would like know which monitor do you use?
Hi Jan and thanks for a very interesting video. I currently own R6 and R6II and wonder if Canon do introduced a stacked sensor for an R6III if they are trying to put more distance between the prosumer R6 series and the very capable R8 which, although lacking IBIS, a native battery grip and some other features has the same sensor at a much lower price point. As you somewhat alluded to, perhaps they might also be considering offloading the excellent R3 sensor that is already proven with BSI/Stacked configuration to allow the next R3 to have a global shutter.
Well, this is all speculation, but it's interesting. Love you images as always!!!
Nice video Jan,
You love 24MP cameras don't you?
I really like my R6ii especially paired up with my RF200-800 which for me is nearly ideal for my bird photography but I would definitely buy an R6iii if it has a stacked sensor and a CF express card as this would fix the 2 main limitations of my R6ii : rolling shutter and small buffer.
24 MP is plenty: I'm not at all interested in higher MP as this would just slow things down with huge files and I see almost no benefit.
I would also love higher frame rates in both stills and video and even better autofocus and tracking.
I would like the stills/video switch on the righthand side where it belongs so you can reach it with your right hand and the power switch can be on the left out of the way and just get rid of the idiotic lock switch entirely.
A new battery grip with the multi controller in the same place in vertical as in horizontal would be welcome too.
A useable pre capture option would be welcome too and I'd like an option to customise the shutter button so that half press would be single shot or slow frame rate and full press would be high frame rate.
The 6 series is very popular and it's in the most competitive segment of the market so I think it makes a lot of sense to have better performance than the competition. Canon replaced the original R6 after only 2 years for the same reasons.
The R7 was very disappointing with terrible performance in many ways and weird controls which probably work fine but why change what's not broken?
A new R7ii with a stacked sensor and normal canon controls like an R6 would be popular even if that made it more expensive but personally I'd never buy a crop sensor camera again.
Cheers
Noel from New Zealand
One infuriating thing about the R6-II is the inability to save settings to a card. This could be easily fixed in firmware, but I doubt it will be. I didn’t know about this deficiency until after I bought the camera, despite a lot of research - thanks Canon for cheaping-out on what for me is a _very_ expensive purchase.
Wow so you're blaming Canon for your inability to do your research ahead of time?
Wow so you are blaming Canon for your inability to do your research ahead of time before making such a big financial decision?
Would love to hear more of your thoughts on the Z6 III vs R6 mark ii. Seems like they both have some upsides and drawbacks. R6 mark iii before R7 II kinda shows how much aps-c is not a priority for them.
HI Jan I watch all your videos. your videos are amzing. I have canon R7 . can you advice me? I am planning to change my gear crop to full frame ....... is it wroth changing my R7 to R6 II.
Tbh Jan - looking at Canon’s offerings at the moment ( including the ones we know are coming; R1 & R5ii) I would rather they concentrated on new lenses to rival Nikon ( 600mm f6.3 please) - I personally doubt many R6ii owners will be trading their cameras yet ?
Certainly not me anyway !
Some lenses to rival the PF lenses would be a good idea to keep many people from moving to other brands
Canon need to wake up and see how many serious wildlife and bird photographers there are and it’s not just about sports and journalism. You guys need a pro body with the big battery, fastest cards and 45mp. Me, a real R7 ii or I will look at an R3
I really like my r6II, but would love the stacked sensor from the r3, in addition to a bigger buffer. Oh, and no overheating in 4k60.
Great video and information. I am about landscape and big animals (bears, wolf, moose...) I have r8 for weight/backpacking and R5 for landscape on tripod/wildlife. I am tempted buy the r7 for the effective reach - 33mpx in apsc is equivalent to 85mpx cropped on R5 with lessor a/f performance. But sometimes in wide open spaces (arctic, Yellowstone) in good light even my 600f4/1.4x is not long enough. 2x sucks. I really don't find r6ii or iii attractive (limited crop) at 24mpx (and heavier and more expensive than r8). But better a/f, bigger buffer and/or iso on r7II would likely push me over the edge, especially with my rf100-400, 200-800, 200-400f4 and 600f4.
Jan , you are exactly right why replace a great camera already there R6 II is a very good camera , why this camera, what Canon needs to replace is the R7 that camera needs so much help like right now , the new R7 II definitely needs a vertical grip .
Maybe this is going to allow Canon to take the R3 body put 2 x CF Express type B cards, Full size HDMI port and then put a fully stacked 45, 50, or 60 megapixel Sensor in it to give us the camera we (I) would really love to own! Oh, and get rid of that silly eye control focus gimmick! Cheers. ( and then give us a 300-600mm F5.6 L, internal zoom, close focussing wildlife lens).
That would be the ultimate for me. Even if it’s priced much higher than the R5.
They are ignoring the wishes of many by not making this type of camera
I have both versions of the R6. The MkII is clearly next level, but both bodies see equal time (pretty much). I purchased the MkII three months after its release and I’m not bothered at all about Canon coming out with another version as I’m not chasing tech. I’ve been considering getting the R5Mk2 as my next camera for its higher pixel count (I do a lot of product photography) and don’t have the budget for a Hasselblad X2D and its glass. I’d jump on an R6MkIII if it were to have something in the range of a 33mp stacked sensor, perhaps over the R5MkII.
Well the original R6 took it's sensor from the Flagship Canon DSLR so maybe it's fitting that the R6iii takes it's sensor from the R3. Nor do I think Canon can just sit back and wait with the just Released Nikon Z6iii and the pending Sony a7V. I doubt Canon feels really rushed in the cropped Arena since neither Nikon nor Sony are really pushing boundaries there either. Their Bread and Butter is their R5/R6 series so certainly that will be their Main Focus.
I agree 100% with your recommendations for new specs for the R6 Mark III but I would also want it to have a 45mp sensor. I absolutely love my R6 Mark II but sometimes wish for more pixels for better cropping and it could definitely do with a buffer improvement.
That's the R5 mark ii LOL
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@@noelchignell1048 You're right but I don't want to have to pay $3999 for it Lol!
Hi Jan; Really nice video as always Jan, I want to know which camera is better for bird photography, the R7 or the old version of the R6. What are your thoughts? I think that even though the R7 has more megapixels I still think that the R6 has better image quality and sharpness because of its full frame sensor. Your videos are so helpful and clear to understand. /Bird Photographer from Switzerland 🙃
I would be tempted by the R7 in that case, but it comes down to if you prefer reach or better IQ and handling
r7 mkii wishlist
Battery grip
stacked sensor
Better, brighter, and bigger evf/screen
AF updates although I think its already great. auto detect subject
stacked sensor
4k120
6k60
stacked sensor
Buffer improvements although again I already think its pretty good
Dont move the wheel. its perfect where it is because you can use it with thumb while taking photos
did i mention stacked sensor? just get it to at least under 10ms and Im happy
this is a reach but the triple base iso of c400
@@TheMrNeffels this all sounds good to me 🙂 If I were dreaming, I'd say they could even just make it a wide bodied pro model (built in grip) and that would be even better..... But I know they won't because 1) not everyone wants a grip, and 2) they can make more $ selling separate grips.
@@Chris_Wolfgram yeah my ideal camera would just be the r3/r1 with a stacked aps-c sensor instead.
@@TheMrNeffels all depends on one’s uses. Having a body that was both a FF and only 24 mp’s would be terrible for me, as I could never get close enough, nor be able to crop enough. But if you don’t need a lot of reach, or need to crop a lot, I know those cameras have some distinct benefits 👍
As an R3 owner, it's quite annoying that they have not added any major features beyond the "Panning Assist" function added last year. Given its big buffer, I have no doubt they could have added a proper pre-capture function. Also, still no focus breathing compensation for video either, or better video tools like waveform or more customizable zebras (color and stripe size for example when using Zebra 1 + 2). They are almost playing the Sony game with a total lack of updates at the top of their model line.
As much as possible, and money dictates, since having an Xsi, I avoid replacing a camera any more often than about 5 years. Then the updates really matter. So, I won't be rushing to replace my mkII, which has been performing beautifully, any time soon (I'm nearly solely into photography, so I suppose videographers might see things differently.)
why can't manufacturers that use CFExpress B implement multipurpose CFExpress B/SD card slots like Sony do with CFExpress A/SD combined slots?
We're still waiting for a 7D mkii replacement. Many of us just want an R5 (body/handling) but with a crop sensor.
If sales is dropping, it means new camera.
Canon's problem is that the current cameras are good enough, so a new model might not drive sales as they used to do.
I have a R6 and feel no pressure to upgrade.
They need glass to drive reflex users to mirrorless.
I'm still very happy with my 512gb card from Sabrent. 150€ for a CFe Type B of that capacity is pretty good and the slightly slower sustained speed of 500mb/s or so it's plenty fast enough for my Z7 II.
I just want them to bring back the mode LCD screen at the top. At this point they only have it from the R5 and up, I'd love to see it on the R5 and R7 in the future, along with a better battery and a grip for the R7.
Yes, I like that one, too!
i think there is still life in the R3. the pro body with a killer battery is its strength. the current specs are fantastic. we seem to be wanting more more more when i remember a 3fps was amazing. are we taking better photos ?? maybe, maybe not but the R1 is going to be a niche camera so a pro body less expensive amazing camera still has a solid place in the Canon lineup
As much as we’d think an R7ii is needed for the reasons you laid out, unfortunately none of the direct competitors really “beat” it outright: they all have strengths and weaknesses. The a6700 probably comes the close to being overtly superior, but even that has ergonomics, single card slot, menus, screen resolution, sensor resolution, and overheating issues that the R7 compares favorably to. From Canon’s view there’s probably no need for them to rush out a sequel.
It's a big seller for them precisely because of the price point and lack of competition. I doubt they do anything substantial in a MK2. The price point has to stay where it is so they can continue their new business model of high volume value cameras. Anything substantial would raise the price to the point of the R6 which is a far superior camera.
Another great video Jan! I'm one of Canon's beloved sports photographers but share your desire for greater than 24 megapixels. I shoot motor racing and sailboat regattas (mainly with an R5) and enjoy the ability to crop in closer to the action. Hanging out for the R5 mk ii !!
Yes, I have been talking to a bunch of sports photographers from canon and Sony and both camps liked the 45MP and cropping ability a lot, which makes it even more confusing for me
@@jan_wegener Yep... With the fast paced action I often shoot a bit on the wide side and rely on cropping to get in tighter and frame the shot.
@@russellwitt1157same reason I want the 45+. In many ways sports and bird haven very similar requirements and set ups
Prograde CFe Type B v4 cards are the way to go, fastest available read writes of any card.
an R6 3 with better recording codec, all-I 10bit no ibis, 24mp 6k stacked sensor would be great..
24 is the new 18.
We NEED the R& Mk2 much more than the R6 Mk3 -- I have both R6 2 and R7 and want the R7 2 with all issues corrected
If I buy another camera it will be to add a full frame to my kit (currently have R7), but I'm not ready to do that yet as all these upgrades indicate Canon just aren't getting their act together in creating a better camera first up. They are not showing the customer respect but just expecting us to continuously lay out a great deal of money all the time. In saying that I'll still shoot Canon. :) Enjoy your day and thanks for the video Jan.
Re R6 mk iii: It makes sense to me. Now that the R3 has been in full production for a while, I can inderstand that they would not want to maintain two separate fabrication lines for 24MB sensor. Using the higher spec one in both bodies probably frees up a whole fabrication production line.
I'm excited about the R5m2 coming soon. I currently have a R6m2, but would be looking for a higher MP sensor and the use of a CF express card. By the way, can you all help me understand why all cameras aren't switching to using CF express cards exclusively? As understand it, a CFe card can write to a card about 2-3 times faster than to a SD Card. Wouldn't/Doesn't that mean we would be able to take more photos before hitting the buffer/"Busy" downtime?
I’ve wondered the same thing. And in cameras that do have cfx cards, why do they only use one instead of 2, especially since the camera is limited by the speed of the sd card? I wouldn’t think it would cost more money to put cfx slots in instead of sd slots.
They seem to think SD cards are convenient since most laptops have a reader built in unlike for a CFx card
@@christophercarlimages9003 OMG, can't we just get a card reader!
@@christophercarlimages9003 possibly, yet I would bet most serious photographers, both amateur and professional, use card readers. Either way, I wish they would switch to dual cfx cards.
That to me says that Canon is marketing these cameras to hobbyists and not anyone very serious about photography.
Z6III is looking really good that is why Sony might speed up release of a7V and why Canon is kinda of tight spot with the 24mpx cameras R1, R3MKII and R6MKIII
I wonder what Sony is cooking up for the A7V. The Z6III supposedly got the sensor that Sony intended for the A7SIV. If that turns out to be true there should at least be some caveats to the A7V‘s video features as Sony will try to keep a distance between the A7V and the A7SIV
Hi Jan, with R1, R5ii and maybe R6iii all taking over stuff from the R3, it looks indeed like Canon is not expecting to sell much more of this Canon tech pioneer until maybe next years they'll bring a global shutter R3ii .. although I'm not sure whether the R1 will leave enough room for it.
People wanting to stick to SD cards didn't yet experience the much better value for money provided by CFxB cards. The only downside is the need for an external card reader, while SD cards have a slot in my laptop. When also the R6iii would get CFxB, I fear the only real reason for the R5ii to only get 1 CFxB seems to be the heat management. Any chance the new active cooling grip would get a second CFxB slot ??
No chance whatsoever. That would be true innovation and Canon is stuck with 24mpx and SD cards....
@@christophercarlimages9003 heheh, you could be right .. but I still hope you'll have to eat these words ;-)
And hey, why would the poor R1 have to miss out on SD cards ??
Canon should invest more in lenses like the Nikon 180-200 or the Sony 200-600 instead of lowering prices on camera's just two years old!
Did you miss the Canon 200-800mm?
@@PKBATw or at least, step up the freaking production of lenses they already make.... Like the freaking 200-800 ! Come on Canon ! Get it together already !
@@kevindiossi No, I didnot but don't like the external zoom and f9
I received another email today from Canon with a link to a sale with the R6ii at $1999 usd.
A couple of reasons Canon may want to introduce a new R6iii… One- as you mentioned, the ability to use the new battery grip with cooling feature designed for the R5ii. Two- the ability to fully host the new Canon lenses with an aperture ring like the 24-105 f2.8. That’s in addition to normal process of iterating to stay ahead of your competitors.
Of course the problem is, if you can get a R6iii with a stacked sensor with the likely improvements in AF, rolling shutter, view finder black-out, etc…. do you need a R3 or R1?
I’ve believed for some time the R3 line is already dead. Though put the new 45mp stacked sensor from the R5ii in a R3-like body and you’ve really got something. Call it the R2…
I like your last thought a lot!
Would love an R7 MKii.
With all these CFexpress cards you also have to look at your camera which version they support. So if you have a CFexpress Type B Version 4 card which theoretically supports up to 4GB/s and your camera only supports Version 3 cards (max. 2GB/s) you may have a faster card which could be used but run slower on your camera than a faster Version 3 card. And I doubt at the moment that there are any cameras which support Version 4.
I need 2 cameras (weddings etc) and I own a R6 MKII and a R8. I sold the R8 and bought a R5, making the R6 MKII my "backup" camera. Didn't want to wait for the R5 MKII, because I already canceled my order for the RF 200-800 lense. Here in Germany, they can't even tell you when and IF it's available again. It's pathetic and I'm slightly disappointed.
What I realizied, while birding, I like the layout/usability of the R6 MKII more than the R5. Changing modes, switching to video for example. Pre-Buffer with RAW-Burst. Don't see a need for a R6MKIII, except a CF Express slot.
But the R5 needs an update for sure.
OMG Canon!
If the R7 ii comes out then I’ll for surly buy.
My R6-II is now less than 7 months old, so I would be a little bothered. I love my R7 but would love to get my hands on an updated model, so an R7-II would be great! I hope Canon keeps it at 33 megapixels or raises it a little. If they drop the R7-II to 24 megapixels it would be a mistake in my view. I think it's possible that the AF issues with the R7 may be related to the sensor. Whether they are or not, some improvement there would make it a truly fantastic wildlife body!
An R7 mark II would be nice, especially if they provide controls similar to the FF models
About that R6iii - would that be related to that new lens with aperture ring? Which is not supported for photography by any currently releases Canon camera?
That could be another reason for sure, especially since the R6 series will be more video focused
@@jan_wegener The aperture ring works for video though, with current cameras. 🤷♂️
I have a Canon R6 MK II And I love it I like the 24 megapixels, but I believe sweet spot is 30 megapixels
yep 30-40 would've been a nice range
Angelbird SX160 CFExpress card. Super fast.
I think the price of the MK II is only coming down because the R5 MK II is right around the corner.
A stacked sensor in the R6III or the R7II would make this two bodys to a no brainer to me.
Jan what would be the main reasons a bird photographer (me) would upgrade to the r5 mark ii from the original r5?
overheating, rolling shutter/image wobbles hopefully much better buffer and working pre-capture
r7 mkII would be good with better AF and a CFEx slot (that would compensate for a small buffer)
I skipped the R7 because there was no battery grip. Seems trivial but it is what it is. A 6III does sound interesting. As far as what cards I go for, I am so ADD with that. I got some of all. Junk on up.
Additionally, it would be nice to see full-size HDMI come to the Rx III along with a display on the top of the camera.
I realize that different people probably develop bodies and lenses but it feels like canon lenses are in much higher demand than new bodies in general. 35mm f1. 4 is good but there is still such a gap for f1.4 and f1.8 lenses.
Just driving sales from all the photographers who have GAS.
Most comments are about a potential R7.2 Thats what I am excited about as well. One with no rolling shutter, quieter, bigger buffer, a third wheel, better AF. Not asking much
Cześć. I would like to see an entry level full frame camera from Sony. I'm talking about a camera that will replace the A7II and A7III and will maintain a price of around $1,200-1,500.
Because at this point the only upgrade to my old A7II is to buy a used A7III at this price point.
R7 II Definitely a third dial and stacked sensor to prevent rolling shutter.