I was in Lourdes three days ago and although I'm not particularly religious there is something about the place that does give you a feeling of inner peace.
I am Catholic, very fond of Our Lady so I wish to get in touch anyway with Marian Catholics. I live in a Marian country, Argentina. With Peace and Love from Argentina!!
Everything about this segment is so wonderful and special. Fortunately the movie music composer Alfred Newman seems to have written the most perfect music - with the female chorus providing a "heavenly sound" surrounding Bernadette and this circumstance of the apparition - for this section. I've read that Newman knew that TSOB would be an important movie so he spent an extra long time composing the music. He said that of all the many film scores he's written, this one was his favorite.
She was the Instrument that God used to renew Faith in the World ! Thank you for responding to the Blessed Mother! I noticed that she had rosary beads with her!
This wonderful film owes much to Alfred Newman's beautiful score. Franz Werfel (the author of the novel) and his wife, Alma (Gustav Mahler's widow) were present for the recording of the music to this scene and were both "profoundly moved." The genesis of the novel is interesting. Werfels (he being Jewish) were fleeing the Nazis and found themselves in Lourdes. The locals told them of the story of Bernadette and he vowed that if they made it safely to the States, he'd write a novel about her.
From St Bernadette's Biography: "How do you know if it's really the Blessed Virgin who appeared to you, that it's not an illusion, a trick of the devil?" Oh, no! I threw some holy water at her and the apparition made the sign of the cross. She told me. "I am the Immaculate Conception." and said the rosary with me." P. 153 Above Quotes from: A Life of Saint Bernadette in her Own words. Rene Laurentin.
Divine Mother appears in her myriad of forms, not to the pios and haughty or the biblical "experts", but to the innocent, those receptive to her Word. Look at who Mary has come to, usually young girls. Virtuous, unspoiled by the trappings of the world, she reaches out to those who are pure, and capable of unconditional Love and not to the cynical. Like Giorgio Maggi said below about Mary, "If you knew how much i loved you, you would cry of joy!"
Yes, this video segment is not high quality. TSOB was re-issued on DVD I think in 2006. The quality of the video part and the audio part is excellent. I think the movie was restored to a better condition for the DVD. [The DVD also has some extras. The commentary by 3 people is very informative.] Also, Varese Sarabande has all the music on a 2 CD set. The music is conducted by the composer Alfred Newman. The CDs are only in mono of course since TSOB came out in 1943.
Actually Mary is sinless. Due to her purity and faith in God, she was chosen as the woman who would bear the savior of the world. Other than that, if you believe in Jesus then you believe in Mary because she is the only person to go to heaven whole body and soul.
a) God-approved icons are fine. Look at John 3:15. b) God is Soverign, but He does allow other people to assist Him in saving the world. My parents brought me to Christ and His Holy Church. And who helped bring Christ to all of us? Mary. Jesus saves, yes, but the Saints help us on the narrow path to Heaven.
a) In that verse, she says "my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.." That's a title. And yes, she needed one. But instead of falling into the pit of sin and being pulled out of it, one can still be saved BEFORE falling in. The former applies to us, the latter to her. b) She is not a goddess. Agreed. We only worship God alone. HOWEVER Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is God & Man. She gave birth to GOD INCARNATE. We glorify her...because of Luke 1:48....all generations WILL CALL her Blessed.
Because we really read the Bilble that's why we know is in there. Yes, That's right Jesus is the flavor in our church. Mary is immaculate because she is the only women conceive without original sin, besides Jesus. God prepared her, because she was going to be the Mother of God's only son. The angel honor her, st. Elizabeth honor her, why can't we the church not honor her. Yes, JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. But Jesus let his mother intercede for us, and that is in the Bible. READ IT..
Question: can I, as a baker, not wash a dish and then bake with that dish? No. I must clean it. If Jesus is the Bread of Life, a clean pan must be used. God applied the saving grace of the Bread to the pan. But a dirty pan cannot make a pure Bread. The pan must be clean. If Mary is a pan, and sin is inherited, how can she bear a sinless child? Answer: she is made clean.
MrBeefreetwo, simply is true, just because you don't believe it, id doesn't mean is not true. Keep reading the Bible one day you will understand it. everyone who protest again the Catholic Church is a protestan.. like it or not.. If your trust is in JC, doesn't look like at all. But my respect to your believes. I really don't want to argue with you, I just wanted you to know that we have differents believes. But we all are trying to do the best to follow Christ, in the way we think is the right.
Well, believe me I am telling you with the Love of Jesus all this too. I respect if you left the cc because you didn't see any evidence of Mary as sinless, but just because you didn't see it, that doesn't mean it wasn't there, I saw it, I have read it alot of times, and that's why I questioned myself, how come you people not catholic do not see it or read it, and that's why i think that that must be the devil making you blind, so you won't see that Mary is our Mother like Jesus wanted it......
@revaluator I do not think so. According to Wikipedia, she had two sons, born in 1940 and 1941, by her first husband, Robert Walker. This movie was made in 1943. By then, she was having an affair with David O. Selznik, and she and her first husband were separated, and then divorced in 1945. Linda Darnell, the woman who played the Virgin Mary, had a career that, at the time, was considered scandalous.
Yes but this Angel is talking in favor of Jesus, not against Jesus, all the angels that had appeared before Mary's apparitions, they have said to praise the name of Jesus.. If this angels would have been from satan, they wouldn't have bless Jesus name.. Didn't you know that? We follow Jesus, but we honor Mary because Jesus said to Mary: "there is your son"than He said to John: "There is your Mother". If you read the Bible, then you have read who's John Father was. Lee en Marcos 3,13-19.
Yes, I agree when you say that everything must be tested. So you said Jesus is fully God, so Mary is Mother of God the Son, We believe that Mary died a little after Pentecost, because that's the last time we hear about Mary in the Bible. It really doesn't matter to me if Mary is mentioned or not after the acts of the Apostles, to believe that she was a sinless being. I am sorry, but Mary is mentioned in the Bible as part of God's salvation plan, keep reading and you will fint it there. God bless
There's no recorded Scripture to tell us what should be in Scripture. You got that from my Catholic ancestors. And he does, and if there are not saints in Heaven, who are the people in Heaven in Revelation 7? And she is the Mother of God. For she is the mother of Jesus. And He is God. She gave birth to God Incarnate. She is the Mother of God. You can't argue that. The Bible said that Jesus is God Incarnate and that he was born of the Blessed Virgin Man.
I cannot say if she was sinless or not. There is talk for both sides. All I can say is that she was born without the sin of Adam and Eve impressed on her soul. Here is some "humanly doctrines" that you accept: Trinity, Sunday being the Holy Day, the Canon of the whole Bible (albeit Luther's erroronous removals), the "Church" as an establishment, amongst other ideas. Tradition plays an important role in faith, and to deny it outright is just plain erronous.
Yes you are right, they are the saints from the past and now they are with the Lord Jesus but saints in a statue form that we see on wall is different. There is no question as Mary mother of God to equate her with divine powers like God is wrong again because God is sovereign, He will not allowed other entity to compete him especially in salvation because that is the work of the Son as Savior. There is no hope if we put our salvation to others except Jesus only through Him.
I apologize. I just saw it. And John 3:14. God makes a comparison to an idol. why? God-approved statutes are fine. And if you want a Marian prophecy, Genesis 3:15. The translation reads that the woman will strike the head of the heel. And why? Because God is perfect, and being born into imperfection offends Him. So he cleaned his mother to make sure he would not be offended. Since you and I do not bear God, this process is not needed.
Okay, then let me tell you that the Catholic Church never have said that the virgin was conceive with sin, like you said in your other coment. Well if won't mean nothing to you, but for me it does means alot. Yes, you said it, the demon comes talking against God or Jesus, and that's why we know that this angels that have appeared before the Virgin, are from God. Because all these angels if you hear their message, they all have blessed Jesus name. The virgin always have said, Love my son Jesus---
"instead of falling into pit of sin, one can still be saved before falling" are you saying that Mary is sin less? you know what I been reading the Bible many times and never encountered such verses..."we all fall short and all have sinned" and no one is exemption. I believe we go the same "cleansing" and that is by FAITH alone God makes us righteous. It is by faith that count Abraham righteous even he committed sin by lying to the king of Egypt. Enough of that humanly doctrine let Bible enough.
sure i go to church to praise god an what he did for me.i follow the scriptues cause thats what jesus said.my words he says are life an truth.again i out my faith in god not in the CHURCH an the cc which i was in for 40 years adds an subtracts from the bible,now i do believe in most essentials the cc is ok but dangerously close to heresies like purgatory which takes away from christs full atonement for sin which the bible declares can only come from the cross,period!!!
for ALL have sinned an fall short of the glory of god..we are appointed once to live once to die an then the judgement.all people die an they cannot contact the living.read LUKE in the bible,about the rich ruler who died an lazarus the beggar.who also died.it tells the story of where all people go..
cc stands for the catholic chuch,an just because a angel,being mentions or acknowlegdes christ does not mean anything,even the demons know his name as quoted in the bible.satan of course knows jesus too.its WHAT the angel ie demon says about jesus is the important thing.especially with salvation an the devil does not one anyone to be saved an again like the bible states,there is only ONE name under heaven by which we must be saved an that is JESUS.if the angel demon puts the focus on whoever
WE must all be very careful,when it comes to salvation of our soul.its satans number one thing.we lose that because we are sinners then how can we be saved? yet while we were sinners christ saved us.if mary is not what the cc has declared about her then many catholics are in danger of loosing our soul.and thats why i left the cc cause biblically i do not see any evidence of mary as sinless or can save us in any way. i say this in love not win a debate,
look im not trying in any way to put down the cc.but in love everything MUST be tested against gods word an the word of god is jesus christ who himself is fully god.before mary gave birth to jesus he already existed. no human can produce GOD.but to say mary is the mother of god is ok with me.but nowhere after acts is she ever mentioned.not once bt peter or paul.dont you find that amazing if indeed she was a sinless being ? no talk of her in salvation or anything else.she herself said my SAVIOR!
If that is your personal belief of Mary as "born without sin" it is up to you but if you ask the Bible, the Bible will refute you. Humanly doctrines can be acceptable together with Bible based teachings. The Bible or the Word of God will prevail on how salvation and righteousness obtain and it will not change because of Mary's born self righteous ...because God is not a changeable minded (James 1:17) and that by faith alone and accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior no one else...
Follow my son Jesus, repent and return to my son Jesus, trust in my son. If she would be a demon like you said, she wouldn't have said this words, about her son Jesus. Thats why we haven't rejected, because we know they're from God. Not from the devil.. Yes, they can transform as angel of light, but that angel would not say: follow Jesus, adore Jesus, love Jesus, no, never. I am sorry but I haven't hear such things like that never. I already told you all she wants is to love and trust in Jesus..
Whoa slow down a bit. Now God's Word says ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Even Mary sinned some where. Yes she surely was blessed and with God's grace she is safe yet God's true word says we ALL have sinned and come short of HIS glory.
THE cc says she was conceieved with sin jacky,no where in the bible is there not even a hint of that.cmon now. all fall shore of the glory of god .all an this there is NONE righteous no not ONE.if it said mary i would be right with you but its not there.one just cannot read into the text an come with that.thats why i an many others protested.an hence the term protestant.but we are all christians.nowhere in the bible is catholic mentioned!! it was called the WAY.
study the acts of the apostles in the bible. there is never ever any mention of rosaries,relics only jesus paul speaks of.no mary ,no saints(peter himself said we believers are saints,priests an kings!! where the cc got all those things is beyond me.ive studied the apprations an not once is jesus mentioned in so far as our salvation.mary many times.so who is that appearing? i AM THE WAY,THE TRUTH AN THE LIFE,NO ONE COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME!!! JESUS OWN WORDS.
Luke 1:46-47 Mary said she needs a "Saviour" yes I know many of you here will protest but this verse still in the Bible... Mary is not a god nor possess divine power...she was just simply chosen by God as instrument for Jesus' birth. And Mary never mentioned herself as the Mother of God but a plain handmaiden Luke 1:48 ONLY THE CATHOLICS keep on glorified her equate with God to the point of making idols and carved images of her and worship her...even Jesus simply call her as "woman" not "queen"
an what is holy water.its never mentioned in the bible.all catholic flavor.read the bible an get the real truth .jesus is the immaculate conception if any.mary is not.its an event.I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AN THE LIFE.
right away she kneels.one only kneels to god.no spirit,angel or anybody.right there its not biblical.kneeling is a form of worship.when people knelt to paul he said get up i too am a man.john on patmos kneeled to the angel an the angel said get up too.dont you see that people.
and there was no recorded scripture that tells about pulling out of Mary or special treatment of salvation because God is fair he gives equal salvation to all "ALL HAVE SINNED EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST" meaning all remaining people living. Jesus Christ along with the saints ( the living believer not the stones canonized by the pope) and the believer Mary will glorified also but not with the title of "queen" or "mother of God"...
else then that demon or angel MUST be rejected. why? cause as the bible says satan an his demons can transform themselves as an angel of LIGHT an perform lying wonders. does this sound familiar? look at fatima messages all about the demon.the false mary says show devotion to her an I can lead you to salvation.go ahead read it.in fact NONE of the apparitions ever state that its jesus an only him that leads to salvation .again mentioning jesus is very crafty of satans lies.
John 3:15 is not about icons read back. 1 Peter 2:22 "He committed no sin and no deceit was found in his mouth" referring to Jesus Christ take note NOT MARY. If God "pull Mary from falling into sin" why He let the Savior suffered excruciatingly when God as a fair God can do the same to us just like what He did to Mary??? Time to open your eyes about it and the truth will set you free John 8:32.
"God-approved statutes are fine" do you think all of this carved idol are God-approved? its a good business nowadays and you know that is the motive of making idols and idols are condemned in the BIble. If you read prophetic verses "woman" usually pertains to nation or country not individual. The only prophetic verse I found about Mary can be found in Isaiah 7:14 not in Genesis 3:15.
she was never ever assumed into heaven,its not biblical ANd if you check on that doctrine it came out by the cc in 1945 and never mentioned prior!! check it out.
what is HOLY water.who said it was? there is no mention ever of holy water in the bible.there is no formula,water whatever to get us closer to god.only thru jesus an prayer to him do we get our needs an not all the time.there is no magic,no relics .these mean nothing.
I was in Lourdes three days ago and although I'm not particularly religious there is something about the place that does give you a feeling of inner peace.
I am Catholic, very fond of Our Lady so I wish to get in touch anyway with Marian Catholics. I live in a Marian country, Argentina. With Peace and Love from Argentina!!
Everything about this segment is so wonderful and special. Fortunately the movie music composer Alfred Newman seems to have written the most perfect music - with the female chorus providing a "heavenly sound" surrounding Bernadette and this circumstance of the apparition - for this section. I've read that Newman knew that TSOB would be an important movie so he spent an extra long time composing the music. He said that of all the many film scores he's written, this one was his favorite.
Incredible film...no doubts whatsoever in my mind that Bernadette saw Our Lady in that cave in Lourdes
She was the Instrument that God used to renew Faith in the World ! Thank you for responding to the Blessed Mother! I noticed that she had rosary beads with her!
Oh I am going to Lourders this year in June.. I will pray for all of the ones that need a prayer...
This wonderful film owes much to Alfred Newman's beautiful score. Franz Werfel (the author of the novel) and his wife, Alma (Gustav Mahler's widow) were present for the recording of the music to this scene and were both "profoundly moved." The genesis of the novel is interesting. Werfels (he being Jewish) were fleeing the Nazis and found themselves in Lourdes. The locals told them of the story of Bernadette and he vowed that if they made it safely to the States, he'd write a novel about her.
I 've been to Lourdes 3 times and loved each visit!
No doubt in my mind that Bernadette saw Our lady the mother of God in that rock in Lourdes..
From St Bernadette's Biography:
"How do you know if it's really the Blessed Virgin who appeared to you, that it's not an illusion, a trick of the devil?"
Oh, no! I threw some holy water at her and the apparition made the sign of the cross. She told me. "I am the Immaculate Conception." and said the rosary with me." P. 153
Above Quotes from: A Life of Saint Bernadette in her Own words. Rene Laurentin.
Being in Lourdes is the most beautiful thing J have ever done in my life
Mary once said: "If you knew how much i love you, you cry of joy."
155 years ago this happened. Laus Deo. I adore the Blessed Mother.
Divine Mother appears in her myriad of forms, not to the pios and haughty or the biblical "experts", but to the innocent, those receptive to her Word. Look at who Mary has come to, usually young girls. Virtuous, unspoiled by the trappings of the world, she reaches out to those who are pure, and capable of unconditional Love and not to the cynical. Like Giorgio Maggi said below about Mary, "If you knew how much i loved you, you would cry of joy!"
i loved this move. saw it from start to finish didnt even feel as long as it was
Yes, this video segment is not high quality. TSOB was re-issued on DVD I think in 2006. The quality of the video part and the audio part is excellent. I think the movie was restored to a better condition for the DVD. [The DVD also has some extras. The commentary by 3 people is very informative.] Also, Varese Sarabande has all the music on a 2 CD set. The music is conducted by the composer Alfred Newman. The CDs are only in mono of course since TSOB came out in 1943.
Actually Mary is sinless. Due to her purity and faith in God, she was chosen as the woman who would bear the savior of the world. Other than that, if you believe in Jesus then you believe in Mary because she is the only person to go to heaven whole body and soul.
a) God-approved icons are fine. Look at John 3:15.
b) God is Soverign, but He does allow other people to assist Him in saving the world. My parents brought me to Christ and His Holy Church. And who helped bring Christ to all of us? Mary. Jesus saves, yes, but the Saints help us on the narrow path to Heaven.
a) In that verse, she says "my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.." That's a title. And yes, she needed one. But instead of falling into the pit of sin and being pulled out of it, one can still be saved BEFORE falling in. The former applies to us, the latter to her.
b) She is not a goddess. Agreed. We only worship God alone. HOWEVER Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is God & Man. She gave birth to GOD INCARNATE. We glorify her...because of Luke 1:48....all generations WILL CALL her Blessed.
She did see the lady.
Because we really read the Bilble that's why we know is in there. Yes, That's right Jesus is the flavor in our church. Mary is immaculate because she is the only women conceive without original sin, besides Jesus. God prepared her, because she was going to be the Mother of God's only son. The angel honor her, st. Elizabeth honor her, why can't we the church not honor her. Yes, JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. But Jesus let his mother intercede for us, and that is in the Bible. READ IT..
my daughter used Bernadette as her Confirmation name...
God bless st Bernadette its a question of belief nothing else xx
Question: can I, as a baker, not wash a dish and then bake with that dish? No. I must clean it. If Jesus is the Bread of Life, a clean pan must be used. God applied the saving grace of the Bread to the pan. But a dirty pan cannot make a pure Bread. The pan must be clean. If Mary is a pan, and sin is inherited, how can she bear a sinless child? Answer: she is made clean.
it wouldnt have mattered if the catholic church authorized the immaculate conception or not thats how faith works
MrBeefreetwo, simply is true, just because you don't believe it, id doesn't mean is not true. Keep reading the Bible one day you will understand it. everyone who protest again the Catholic Church is a protestan.. like it or not.. If your trust is in JC, doesn't look like at all. But my respect to your believes. I really don't want to argue with you, I just wanted you to know that we have differents believes. But we all are trying to do the best to follow Christ, in the way we think is the right.
Well, believe me I am telling you with the Love of Jesus all this too. I respect if you left the cc because you didn't see any evidence of Mary as sinless, but just because you didn't see it, that doesn't mean it wasn't there, I saw it, I have read it alot of times, and that's why I questioned myself, how come you people not catholic do not see it or read it, and that's why i think that that must be the devil making you blind, so you won't see that Mary is our Mother like Jesus wanted it......
@revaluator I do not think so. According to Wikipedia, she had two sons, born in 1940 and 1941, by her first husband, Robert Walker. This movie was made in 1943. By then, she was having an affair with David O. Selznik, and she and her first husband were separated, and then divorced in 1945. Linda Darnell, the woman who played the Virgin Mary, had a career that, at the time, was considered scandalous.
Yes but this Angel is talking in favor of Jesus, not against Jesus, all the angels that had appeared before Mary's apparitions, they have said to praise the name of Jesus.. If this angels would have been from satan, they wouldn't have bless Jesus name.. Didn't you know that? We follow Jesus, but we honor Mary because Jesus said to Mary: "there is your son"than He said to John: "There is your Mother". If you read the Bible, then you have read who's John Father was. Lee en Marcos 3,13-19.
@Scrumdidilyumpchious Yeah, Hollywood generally makes movies very unbelievable, ultimately, when it comes to casting.
Yes, I agree when you say that everything must be tested. So you said Jesus is fully God, so Mary is Mother of God the Son, We believe that Mary died a little after Pentecost, because that's the last time we hear about Mary in the Bible. It really doesn't matter to me if Mary is mentioned or not after the acts of the Apostles, to believe that she was a sinless being. I am sorry, but Mary is mentioned in the Bible as part of God's salvation plan, keep reading and you will fint it there. God bless
There's no recorded Scripture to tell us what should be in Scripture. You got that from my Catholic ancestors. And he does, and if there are not saints in Heaven, who are the people in Heaven in Revelation 7?
And she is the Mother of God. For she is the mother of Jesus. And He is God. She gave birth to God Incarnate. She is the Mother of God. You can't argue that. The Bible said that Jesus is God Incarnate and that he was born of the Blessed Virgin Man.
I cannot say if she was sinless or not. There is talk for both sides. All I can say is that she was born without the sin of Adam and Eve impressed on her soul.
Here is some "humanly doctrines" that you accept: Trinity, Sunday being the Holy Day, the Canon of the whole Bible (albeit Luther's erroronous removals), the "Church" as an establishment, amongst other ideas. Tradition plays an important role in faith, and to deny it outright is just plain erronous.
Amen
Yes you are right, they are the saints from the past and now they are with the Lord Jesus but saints in a statue form that we see on wall is different. There is no question as Mary mother of God to equate her with divine powers like God is wrong again because God is sovereign, He will not allowed other entity to compete him especially in salvation because that is the work of the Son as Savior. There is no hope if we put our salvation to others except Jesus only through Him.
What language do you want it to be in ?
I apologize. I just saw it. And John 3:14. God makes a comparison to an idol. why? God-approved statutes are fine. And if you want a Marian prophecy, Genesis 3:15. The translation reads that the woman will strike the head of the heel. And why? Because God is perfect, and being born into imperfection offends Him. So he cleaned his mother to make sure he would not be offended. Since you and I do not bear God, this process is not needed.
Okay, then let me tell you that the Catholic Church never have said that the virgin was conceive with sin, like you said in your other coment. Well if won't mean nothing to you, but for me it does means alot. Yes, you said it, the demon comes talking against God or Jesus, and that's why we know that this angels that have appeared before the Virgin, are from God. Because all these angels if you hear their message, they all have blessed Jesus name. The virgin always have said, Love my son Jesus---
I forgot to ask you, who is cc or what is cc?
LIBERTY !
all languages of course
@mommyaud1 mackfielder is just a good old Protestant Fundamentalist.
why is this in english?
"instead of falling into pit of sin, one can still be saved before falling" are you saying that Mary is sin less? you know what I been reading the Bible many times and never encountered such verses..."we all fall short and all have sinned" and no one is exemption. I believe we go the same "cleansing" and that is by FAITH alone God makes us righteous. It is by faith that count Abraham righteous even he committed sin by lying to the king of Egypt. Enough of that humanly doctrine let Bible enough.
sure i go to church to praise god an what he did for me.i follow the scriptues cause thats what jesus said.my words he says are life an truth.again i out my faith in god not in the CHURCH an the cc which i was in for 40 years adds an subtracts from the bible,now i do believe in most essentials the cc is ok but dangerously close to heresies like purgatory which takes away from christs full atonement for sin which the bible declares can only come from the cross,period!!!
for ALL have sinned an fall short of the glory of god..we are appointed once to live once to die an then the judgement.all people die an they cannot contact the living.read LUKE in the bible,about the rich ruler who died an lazarus the beggar.who also died.it tells the story of where all people go..
cc stands for the catholic chuch,an just because a angel,being mentions or acknowlegdes christ does not mean anything,even the demons know his name as quoted in the bible.satan of course knows jesus too.its WHAT the angel ie demon says about jesus is the important thing.especially with salvation an the devil does not one anyone to be saved an again like the bible states,there is only ONE name under heaven by which we must be saved an that is JESUS.if the angel demon puts the focus on whoever
WE must all be very careful,when it comes to salvation of our soul.its satans number one thing.we lose that because we are sinners then how can we be saved? yet while we were sinners christ saved us.if mary is not what the cc has declared about her then many catholics are in danger of loosing our soul.and thats why i left the cc cause biblically i do not see any evidence of mary as sinless or can save us in any way. i say this in love not win a debate,
look im not trying in any way to put down the cc.but in love everything MUST be tested against gods word an the word of god is jesus christ who himself is fully god.before mary gave birth to jesus he already existed. no human can produce GOD.but to say mary is the mother of god is ok with me.but nowhere after acts is she ever mentioned.not once bt peter or paul.dont you find that amazing if indeed she was a sinless being ? no talk of her in salvation or anything else.she herself said my SAVIOR!
If that is your personal belief of Mary as "born without sin" it is up to you but if you ask the Bible, the Bible will refute you. Humanly doctrines can be acceptable together with Bible based teachings. The Bible or the Word of God will prevail on how salvation and righteousness obtain and it will not change because of Mary's born self righteous ...because God is not a changeable minded (James 1:17) and that by faith alone and accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior no one else...
Follow my son Jesus, repent and return to my son Jesus, trust in my son. If she would be a demon like you said, she wouldn't have said this words, about her son Jesus. Thats why we haven't rejected, because we know they're from God. Not from the devil.. Yes, they can transform as angel of light, but that angel would not say: follow Jesus, adore Jesus, love Jesus, no, never. I am sorry but I haven't hear such things like that never. I already told you all she wants is to love and trust in Jesus..
Whoa slow down a bit. Now God's Word says ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Even Mary sinned some where. Yes she surely was blessed and with God's grace she is safe yet God's true word says we ALL have sinned and come short of HIS glory.
THE cc says she was conceieved with sin jacky,no where in the bible is there not even a hint of that.cmon now. all fall shore of the glory of god .all an this there is NONE righteous no not ONE.if it said mary i would be right with you but its not there.one just cannot read into the text an come with that.thats why i an many others protested.an hence the term protestant.but we are all christians.nowhere in the bible is catholic mentioned!! it was called the WAY.
study the acts of the apostles in the bible. there is never ever any mention of rosaries,relics only jesus paul speaks of.no mary ,no saints(peter himself said we believers are saints,priests an kings!! where the cc got all those things is beyond me.ive studied the apprations an not once is jesus mentioned in so far as our salvation.mary many times.so who is that appearing? i AM THE WAY,THE TRUTH AN THE LIFE,NO ONE COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME!!! JESUS OWN WORDS.
Luke 1:46-47 Mary said she needs a "Saviour" yes I know many of you here will protest but this verse still in the Bible... Mary is not a god nor possess divine power...she was just simply chosen by God as instrument for Jesus' birth. And Mary never mentioned herself as the Mother of God but a plain handmaiden Luke 1:48 ONLY THE CATHOLICS keep on glorified her equate with God to the point of making idols and carved images of her and worship her...even Jesus simply call her as "woman" not "queen"
an what is holy water.its never mentioned in the bible.all catholic flavor.read the bible an get the real truth .jesus is the immaculate conception if any.mary is not.its an event.I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AN THE LIFE.
right away she kneels.one only kneels to god.no spirit,angel or anybody.right there its not biblical.kneeling is a form of worship.when people knelt to paul he said get up i too am a man.john on patmos kneeled to the angel an the angel said get up too.dont you see that people.
hmmmm...history you say?
and there was no recorded scripture that tells about pulling out of Mary or special treatment of salvation because God is fair he gives equal salvation to all "ALL HAVE SINNED EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST" meaning all remaining people living. Jesus Christ along with the saints ( the living believer not the stones canonized by the pope) and the believer Mary will glorified also but not with the title of "queen" or "mother of God"...
else then that demon or angel MUST be rejected. why? cause as the bible says satan an his demons can transform themselves as an angel of LIGHT an perform lying wonders. does this sound familiar? look at fatima messages all about the demon.the false mary says show devotion to her an I can lead you to salvation.go ahead read it.in fact NONE of the apparitions ever state that its jesus an only him that leads to salvation .again mentioning jesus is very crafty of satans lies.
John 3:15 is not about icons read back. 1 Peter 2:22 "He committed no sin and no deceit was found in his mouth" referring to Jesus Christ take note NOT MARY. If God "pull Mary from falling into sin" why He let the Savior suffered excruciatingly when God as a fair God can do the same to us just like what He did to Mary??? Time to open your eyes about it and the truth will set you free John 8:32.
"God-approved statutes are fine" do you think all of this carved idol are God-approved? its a good business nowadays and you know that is the motive of making idols and idols are condemned in the BIble. If you read prophetic verses "woman" usually pertains to nation or country not individual. The only prophetic verse I found about Mary can be found in Isaiah 7:14 not in Genesis 3:15.
she was never ever assumed into heaven,its not biblical ANd if you check on that doctrine it came out by the cc in 1945 and never mentioned prior!! check it out.
what is HOLY water.who said it was? there is no mention ever of holy water in the bible.there is no formula,water whatever to get us closer to god.only thru jesus an prayer to him do we get our needs an not all the time.there is no magic,no relics .these mean nothing.