Did Genesis Copy the Epic of Gilgamesh?
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Sources:
The Evolution of the Gilgamesh Epic - Jeffery Tigay
A Companion to Ancient Epic - John Miles Foley
The Lost World of the Flood - Tremper Longman and
John H. Walton
God in Translation - Mark S. Smith
Ancient Israelite Literature in its Cultural Context - John Walton
Josephus - Against Apion
Tacitus - Histories
Interpretation of the Flood - Florentino García Martínez and Gerardus Petrus Luttikhuizen
The Bible in Its World - Kenneth Kitchen
The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament - John H. Walton, Victor H. Matthews, Mark W. Chavalas
Thoughts on Eden, the Flood, and the Persian Gulf - Ward E. Sanford
I Studied Inscriptions from Before the Flood - David Toshio Tsumura and Richard S. Hess
If there was a great flood, wouldn't it make sense that different cultures would have similar accounts in their mythos?
There's several from mesopotamia, but people seem to think Gilgamesh _is_ a flood story, when it's more like the Odyssey that happens to contain a brief conversation about the flood.
Yes that's why there is one for almost every ancient culture in the world.
@@histguy101
I can't count how many times I've seen or heard someone who has no idea what they are talking about, claim that the biblical flood account is stolen from gilgamesh.
And they do 💯
@@rudolfhillard8505
Well it's not really possible to assume such a thing when we don't actually know what his name was, all we know is what he is called in Hebrew, and his name is Noah in Hebrew because it means rest/comfort. It's quite possible that the other names in the different languages are given because they mean similar things or because they mean things that apply to other aspects about Noah (for instance his status as the father of the generation after the flood).
The epic of gilgamesh seems like the ancient equivalent to a comic book/movie franchise that under goes reboots and updates based on the time. Lol
just like the bible
@@kaosisback8376 lol you have never read any books on the subject of the reliability of the Bible you just watch TH-cam videos
@@kaosisback8376 the Bible is the truth
@@kaosisback8376 give me any manuscript that has major effect on today’s manuscripts
@JKMlive It makes sense that epic of gilgalmesh (surviving historical artifact) was found in Mesopotamia, where Abraham had lived (city of Ur). Since Noah's ark had landed on Mt Ararat, all of Noah's descedant would traveled further out (some to Mesopotamia and elsewhere) are the earliest source to have heard about great flood from Noah or his children. The story of flood had passes down generations (Abraham being of one them) which ended up as epic of gilgalmesh. So therefore it's possible the epic of gilgalmesh was inspired by the Noah's flood and not other way round.
If the flood story is true and the tower of Babel is true, then many versions of the same story should be expected.
That is my thought as well: the flood was an event of great significance and as people spread out after it subsided the tale was told/retold and reimagined into whatever cultural biases had developed in that local area. Hence why it was so prevalent in cultures around the world.
It is true because Jesus (John14:6) mentioned Noah and the flood. Adam and Eve (Human evolution issues). Same goes for Sodom and Gomorrah destruction and many "unusual" events. Jesus was there and 'witness' them otherwise it's a lie.
@@bludfyre It makes sense that epic of gilgalmesh (surviving historical artifact) was found in Mesopotamia, where Abraham had lived (city of Ur). Since Noah's ark had landed on Mt Ararat, all of Noah's descedant would traveled further out (some to Mesopotamia and elsewhere) are the earliest source to have heard about great flood. The story of flood had passes down generations (Abraham being of one them) which ended up as epic of gilgalmesh. So therefore it's possible the epic of gilgalmesh was inspired by the Noah's flood and not other way round.
Multiple account according to varying culture although with one source, just as any other renown historical event, which is The Bible
1) we are not YEC'S we are theistic evolutionist or old Earth so I really hope You arent saying all christian's are YEC's
I would argue that the fact that nearly every civilization has a flood story, all of which contain some percentage of matching features to the biblical account, is very good indication that the event actually took place. Calling it plagiarism is like saying a history book from the year 2000 plagiarized from a history book from the year 1900 because they have the same stories. History can’t be plagiarized, only creative works can.
@Don Diggy woosh
@Don Diggy what stories did they copy?
@Don Diggy great work proving your point. With that level of comparative detail you could say that a steam powered train and a hoverboard are the same because they both have wheels, engines, and human pilots. Your bias and lack of knowledge is as astounding as your vitriol towards the things you refuse to understand. Bye
@Don Diggy I’m not sure why you’re bring up serpents as if we have been talking about them this entire time. You’re going very far into the weeds with a single example of symbology and I fear you’re getting yourself lost in them. You first started out saying they all shared the same stories and symbols. But now you’re making the argument that when the symbols are different that’s actually an indication that they were influence by each other. That doesn’t follow from your original statement. Additionally, it’s untrue that snakes were entirely used as bad symbols within Judiasm. Aaron’s staff turned into a snake and devoured the snakes of the high priests. The snake, in that instance is being used as a protector. While the jews were in the desert they were being attacked by snakes and the instruction from God was to construct a pole with a snake on it so that any who are bitten may look upon it and live. Again, the snake is being used as a symbol of protection and of healing. And both of these stories come from the time of Exodus. If what you’re saying is true then they NEVER would have used the symbol of the snake as a positive one, especially not in the desert after leaving the snake worshipping Egyptians. Your entire analysis is riddled with logical inconsistency. Oh, also, there is an extra biblical account of the plagues of Egypt written by an Egyptian about how Pharaoh pissed off a rival god and got his ass handed to him. So it’s absolutely not just a symbolic story written by the Jews to bolster their disdain for the Egyptians.
It's not every culture that has these stories. It tends to be cultures that are close to waters. So one theory is that these cultures have a tendency to hyperbolize flood events and storms that relate to water.
Almost every culture have its own great flood story. I live in the island of Borneo, faraway from Middle East, have heard this kind of stories from the elders. It has been confirmed that the flood story in our culture is not a result of Christian influence, it dates way back before Christian came to evangelize the natives of Borneo. While there are many differences but there core of the story is still the same with the Biblical flood story, the flood is sent because of human sin and there are people who still obeyed God that God chose to save them from the flood by telling them to build an ark (in my culture they make a small boat). It's not plagiarism, it's the same and real story that happened in the past and told in different perspectives.
Precisely
There are several cultures that have their own Cinderella story too... Is Cinderella a true story.. Heck no... Man always takes myths from other cultures, then modifies them to fit his own....
@@DJ-uc8mk lol evidence for Cinderella’s in different cultures? I want to read that.
Yeah, it also supports IP’s theory that it was not a super enormous flood that happened, but many regional and minor floods around the world. I don’t believe it but it could have happened, who knows?
@@theapexfighter8741 simple google bro. This is basic info. Disney took it from the asians and the asians probably got it from the greeks and the Africans got it from us. I'm not sure how it spread but Cinderella must be true being several cultures telling the same dam story
As a history teacher, this was well made, and very engaging!
The video provides a comprehensive insight while analyzing the similarities and contrast between the two texts. The sources ere presented which allows viewers to have further research on their own. Thank You.
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I never really thought the Christian flood story was taken from Gilgamesh. I think all these flood stories came from the end of the last ice age when the ocean levels were rising due to melting ice. there must have been huge floods all over the world, and for the people experiencing them it must have felt like the whole world flooded. I would imagine ancient civilizations around the world had many, many different flood stories.
The “ice age” taught in schools is a deception to covered up in Genesis creation of God. Genesis 1:6-9 explains your “ice age” before God separated the waters (Gen1:10) the earth water was ice.🧊 The flood is real and happened because fallen angels ruined Gods dna and the only ones with God’s dna was Moses and his sons. Book of Enoch explains more.
@@IamDaniel247 and why would "they" want to cover up Genesis?
@@cornpop1363 to have people think that the “ice age” created the flood lol
@@IamDaniel247 that doesn't make any sense lol. But I guess my question really is why would "they" want to hide any historical events. I mean it's one thing to be wrong about something, but it's another to actively try to cover up something, especially something that would prove the existence of God.
So, you're telling me that God is real, "they" know for a fact that God is real, yet they're still hiding the existence of God from us? And you're also telling me that the all knowing, almighty God, the creator of our entire universe, can be hidden by mere humans? Yeah, I'm not buying any part of that.
@@cornpop1363 Bold of you to assume they're mere humans
This video explains the similarities and differences between the flood account in Genesis and the flood account in the Epic of Gilgamesh intricately. He states evidence that supports the idea that Genesis did not copy the Epic of Gilgamesh. He clarifies why people misinterpret Genesis and the Epic of Gilgamesh as the same. It is because of shared traditions. Thank you for this information, it really helps us to discern these two stories.
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Really wondering how these tablets and scrolls tells the whole story when tons of portion were torn broken or faded.
because they have multiple copie of the same story like today book that are multiple print, sometime they get the first acte, some other time the ends... no really ununderstandable
Exactly
This video seems to be biased in favor of the bible. Repeating over and over that the reported flood has been probably experienced by different cultures forget few important points:
- There was no flood of that scale ever in that region (and why the short gif shows dubai being submerged, is it where noah was now ??)
- the story of the bird might just be an addon because the hebrews did some research and were good sailors..
To me it's obvious that there was some folklore/myth in the near east that were passed orally for centuries. Periodically they were written down... One became a religion and people are trying to prove the myth now.
The argument isn't that there is "direct literary borrowing" The most common argument is that the bible flood story is the same flood spoken about in earlier texts... And you just showed evidence for this... By trying to prove what you thought was a side of the common argument wrong you actually proved the opposite side of the real common argument right. 😂 All of this revolves around christian denial that the bible is largely borrowed and evolved texts. There is some information here, it is just pointed in the wrong direction.
That's what I gathered as well. I wonder if the guy behind the channel is a christian believer.
"The most common argument is that the bible flood story is the same flood spoken about in earlier texts... "
I don't quite understand how the possibility that Genesis and Gilgamesh are making reference to the same flood would seek to undermine the authority of the Bible. The parallels between the two could simply be the result of the pagans retaining traditions of the event that were distorted to fit their pagan worldview, while the inspired account does not contain such distortions but does contain the true elements the pagans managed to hold onto. The events of such a cataclysm likely would have lingered in the area for a very long length of time, so it would not be surprising if this was the case.
Perhaps it is you who does not apprehend the arguments presented.
@@catholic1239 "I don't quite understand how the possibility that Genesis and Gilgamesh are making reference to the same flood would seek to undermine the authority of the Bible."
It would mean that we have no way of knowing whether Genesis is more accurate than Gilgamesh, or whether Gilgamesh is more accurate than Genesis. It would prove that cultural memory of this event is highly prone to distortion, with these two very distinct stories emerging from the same source. It would seem that flood stories were being passed around the region, changing with each telling, and borrowing from each other, and eventually Gilgamesh and Genesis both solidified out of this melting pot of flood stories. If there is any resemblance between the stories that were finally written down and the original events that inspired them, it would be remarkable luck.
@@Ansatz66
"It would mean that we have no way of knowing whether Genesis is more accurate than Gilgamesh, or whether Gilgamesh is more accurate than Genesis."
This is true from an historical perspective, but this fact seems irrelevant to me. Simply because we cannot deduce the veracity of the account in Genesis from such an analysis does not mean that the Genesis account is in error, especially viewed in light of the fact that Christians believe that the Bible is inspired by God.
" is highly prone to distortion, with these two very distinct stories emerging from the same source"
I did neglect to include in my last reply that since Christians believe that the Bible is inspired, it would not even be necessary for the Israelites to have any memory of the event, or if the Israelites did have a tradition of the event that included false elements, the version that the Biblical writer writes down would not have such errors. So I see three possibilities: both the Israelites and the pagans had traditions of the event with both being corrupted, both had traditions with only Gilgamesh's being corrupted, or only the pagans had traditions of the event. Since Genesis is inspired it does not matter which is true.
" If there is any resemblance between the stories that were finally written down and the original events that inspired them, it would be remarkable luck."
Again I would simply cite inspiration in Genesis. If Christians did not believe that Genesis was inspired, this debate would be frivolous as it would not matter whether Genesis had any error incorporated into it or not.
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@@catholic1239 "Simply because we cannot deduce the veracity of the account in Genesis from such an analysis does not mean that the Genesis account is in error."
That's true, but the question was about the authority of Genesis, not whether Genesis is in error. If we cannot deduce the veracity of Genesis, then we have no reason to take it as an authority. Since Gilgamesh is also an account of the same event, we could just as well take it as the authority.
"Since Christians believe that the Bible is inspired, it would not even be necessary for the Israelites to have any memory of the event, or if the Israelites did have a tradition of the event that included false elements."
Why do Christians believe that the flood story in Genesis is inspired? Surely it is no use to simply believe this, but if they have a good reason for believing it then we ought to take that reason into account.
"If Christians did not believe that Genesis was inspired, this debate would be frivolous as it would not matter whether Genesis had any error incorporated into it or not."
Why might errors cease to matter depending on the beliefs of Christians? Christians aren't the only people interested in history, and even Christians would still be interested in history even if they didn't believe Genesis was inspired. Regardless of what Christians believe, if Genesis had no errors, it would mean a radical departure from the generally accepted understanding of ancient history.
Abram (Abraham) was from Ur, which is in Sumeria. He was told by our creator to leave Ur. Why wouldn't the flood stories be similar??
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Definitely not direct plagiarism. There would have been some sort of cultural thing about floods that inspired these stories or they were all inspired by some real life event.
Most cultures around water has at some point been flooded, something that happens still today. That is the problem with trying to piece togehter ancient scriptures with no time stamps on when the catastrophe happened wish makes it harder to see if all those flood stories happened at the same time.
there was a large flood in the valley of mesopotamia several thousand years ago that probably submerged the entire valley under water (not surprising since its located below sea level) and evidence of it can be found in the ground layers.
so the flood story in the epic of gilgamesh definately had a historical background.
the depiction of what comprised the world in the eyes of the ancient sumerians is also well known from surviving text fragments and for them it was a world ending event.
combining myth and reality was a way for people in the past to explain large scale events like that so at least part of these ancient texts can be taken as historical accounts as long as reference material exists to put them into proper context.
lastly the epic of gilgamesh and other ancient stories like it were known from north africa all the way to asia so the bible authors knowing about them and incorporating them into their own stories isnt surprising at all.
rather its to be expected that the bible authors took stories from the tribes and myths around them as the basis for their own interpretations.
You can't say it's not direct plagiarism. It's taking a story that wasn't it's story and repacking it as it's story. It's like Disney trying to claim it's Snow White was the original.
@@JP-je6jg exactly. They just took the story and shoved characters from their own franchise into it.
They probably have a common source from a much earlier time, because the same mythic story is recorded within the meanings of the earliest Chinese logogram writing. You can search it on TH-cam.
We were all one people centralized in one area who spread out. According to some scientist they think Pangea broke up after the flood. So you’d get a bunch of different generations of people who either experienced the flood or were told about it, over time the details of the story were changed to fit cultural norms. But it’s kind of insane that all of these ancient civilizations have a version of a flood and yet people still think it didn’t happen.
Of course they have a common source. The further out you get from the source of the memory the more condensed it gets. That's how myths are created over time.
So the image of the tree of Life for example is an image found across cultures. It not only describes the fractal nature of reality (that science has only recently discovered via quantum mechanics) but it describes the manner by which we're trying to discuss this topic.
So imagine the flood story in it's perfect factual expression as a trunk of a tree. Every branch is a variation of the trunk and those variations have multiple variations as well (trunk branches twigs etc.)
The flood story is linked to the whole story in genesis too. The book's narrative is designed as a descent down a mountain, from the source of all things to the primoridal chaos (flood=death) that existed before creation itself.
These stories are rabbit holes to get lost in.
The only "common source" is the fact that human minds work in similar fashion, regardless of geographical distance. ALL of these stories derive from early agrarians, who would have had to live near fresh running water to irrigate their crops. When rivers flood, as they are periodically prone to do, the consequences for the entire community would have been severe. The entire year's food source, as well as any stored foods, would have been wiped out and the entire, sometimes vast, society compromised. Regardless of where in the world it occurred, a flood would have been cataclysmic. It's hardly a wonder that this particular anxiety made its way into so many cultures' lore.
The Chinese story speaks of Yu building canals, not a ship.
@@nonnieJ94 Actually, many (Most, I"d wager) don't have flood myths at all. Not Egypt. Not the Norse. Not the Japanese. Etc etc.
This is how i see it. Since Moses is the author of Genesis, his source was God Himself. So no, the story of Gilgamesh is a version of Noah's flood. It was not the source of this narrative but evidence of this kept in some form by Noah's descendants which hinted at Genesis 6 and the great deluge. However, it's a warped version of the true account revealed unto Moses, which would make his account of the flood, the correct one. The reason why non-believers or sceptics would claim that the earliest source was Sumerian is because they dont believe that Moses was revealed these things by God on the mount. Their unbelief is evident and pitiful. If you are weak in faith, let doubt in. Your ruin is deserved.
I had already accepted that the Hebrews were always just using what was around them to express the greater Truth. First Sumerians then Zoroastrians then Greek Myth. I'm glad to see that it isnt necessarily the case. Makes me feel bad that I wasn't more stubborn.
Your initial inclination was correct. Every deduction made by this video maker discrediting the epic of gilgamesh can be applied to the Bible.
I see great value in Christianity as a guiding moral principle. Not as historical fact
@@Ghidorah00 Okay, where is your contrary evidence? The content creator listed their's so now the burden of proof is on you to show otherwise. If what you say is true, I'd like to hear why you're confident what you think is the case.
@@red3191 Hi There Clayton,
IP is well educated and makes compelling points that always align with his viewer’s bias. There are many like him across every religious spectrum. If you were to hear a devout Muslim or Hindu intellectual provide evidence as to why their religion is historical “fact” your BS meter would instinctively be going off because it would contradict your inherent bias.
I find nothing wrong with Christianity. Matter of fact, if find it’s moral principles to be a critical part of western society’s foundation so I am not attacking anyone for their Christian beliefs. But to present one religious belief as historically accurate over another (especially with so many parallels between the older Gilgamesh and Old Testament) is academically dishonest. This would be painfully obvious to you if a Muslim posited something like this:
“There are many similarities in the accounts of Jesus in the New Testament compared to the Koran. However, the gospels are not consistent with one another and there are major differences in narrative between Mark, Matthew, Luke, John. Also there were several accounts that were removed at the counsel of Nicea. This is not true in the Koran, because Mohammad is the only one true source of the Koran and his book has not been altered”
This is just an example, but I am sure you see my point. There is no historical consistency in the Bible, or any religious book for that matter. It’s only obvious to you when you read the religious texts of a separate belief....
Hope this answers your inquiry, I could provide you a list of insightful books on archeology and history if you are interested.
@@Ghidorah00 Thank you for the reply and I understand your concern. However, again that did not show why IP's claims were false. I genuinely believe a flood probably happened in some form or manner; maybe it wasn't of biblical porportions, but IP clearly listed examples of why the biblical accout best suits ancient traditions, such as the example of the Raven and the Dove. While yes I have watched plenty of Hindu and Muslim creation stories and I understand everyone has their biases, I still wouldn't immediately dismiss their claims either. An example of this is the hindu creation story where some hindus us Roger Penrose's Conformal Cyclic Model as evidence to support their beliefs. While I am not a hindu, I can see why that is a compelling argument. I think I would be committing a genetic fallacy if I immediately dismissed it.
The fact of the matter is some arguments are just better than others. That is why I asked for your evidence because what you are saying definitely could be the case. Not all religions can be true, that's not how truth works. My beliefs very well could be wrong, but if someone is going to make the claim that IP's stance on the Genesis flood is false I'd like to see why. Each claim should be taken on its own merit to do otherwise is to commit a red herring by directing the discussion to a different topic. What if the Genesis flood really does better fit the account of what actually happened at least in the minut details. That doesn't necessarily mean there's a God, but it just means the Genesis flood story is more historically accurate than the other stories.
@@red3191 Hi Clayton,
And thanks for your comment! I appreciate the informed dialogue and can certainly relate to your perspective.
The argument I am making is not for facts either for or against one religious perspective over the other. It’s tantamount to putting the cart before the horse, because there is no historical/scientific evidence for any religious doctrine. Asking me to provide evidence as to why the Bible’s account is false is a fools errand, because the Bible consists of legends/parables/stories written by people trying to best understand the world around them 2000+ years ago.
Let’s take the Flood story for example: archeological evidence uncovered by observation and the scientific method has discovered that the Black Sea used to actually be a fresh water lake. It was also discovered that early humans settled on the coast of the old fresh water lake from artifacts and other signs of ancient agriculture found in the Black Sea. The Mediterranean flooded, dramatically, into the Black Sea approx 7000 years ago, recent enough for the humans living in that region to witness the event. This is a strong candidate for the origination for ALL ancient flood stories, as this story would have been spread between different cultures and customs by word of mouth and later in writing. The first written account is Sumerian, thousands of years after the event. Another 1000 years later, a similar story circulated Canaan.
The only facts at play here won’t be found in Gilgamesh or Genesis, but rather the archeological record. IP posits his view from the perspective of “Christianity is correct”, so he connects the dots through that bias. In reality, no religion owns historical truth, since their holy works are simply accounts of powers (deities) operating outside the limits of their understanding.
You seem genuinely interested in historical facts and human history. To understand this point of view, I recommend reading the historical context for other non-Christian mythologies. This will remove your initial bias, and if you are like me you will find the birth of myths from events in the archeological record absolutely fascinating. You mention Hinduism and conformal cyclic model, an extremely interesting religion to start with!
A novel, 'The Wreck of the Titan' was about an unsinkable ship that hit an iceberg in the North Atlantic at night, didn’t have enough lifeboats, and killed most of it’s passengers. It was written in 1898 - 14 years before the actual tragedy of the Titanic.
I think there is an actual song related to this - the wreck if the edmund fitzgerald! Look it up, by Gordob Lightfoot.
Proof that the Titanic never happened, and was a fiction based on that story. Yep.
prominent us bankers on the Titanic as well.
@@josephzanes7334 wasn’t that about an iron hauler in Lake Superior?
According to the song lyrics, yes. I know that is only a little ways from the Atlantic ocean, but the comment made me think of the song.
I noticed all these atheist trolls in the vid didn’t watch it. They just click on the vid, dislike it and say the whole vid is false.
@Deejay Atheists don't care enough about Christians to hate them. Atheists feel sorry for Christians if anything but Christians love to feel persecuted eh?
@Deejay Atheists don't believe there's a saviour and therefore mocking a fictional character is the same as mocking Santa, meaningless.
@Deejay Unless they were arrested by Atheists because they were Christians, what is the point you're trying to prove here?
@Deejay You stated that Atheists persecuted Christians. Have you changed your mind or are you just changing the subject?
@Deejay yes you did. Then i said how can atheists hate a fictional character like your saviour, remember? Then you said that Christians were arrested and i'm not sure what that has to do with atheists.
I wouldn't call it plagiarism. It's simply the result of a TELEHPONE GAME mechanism. When stories are passed on they are eventually shortened, adapted to every culture suppresing dissonant ideas or difficult parts, and rationalizing (motivated reasoning) them based on current beliefs or knowledge (Bartlett, Loftus and Palmer, Allport y Postman). So it is almost impossible any similarity to survive through centuries. The fact that these shared motifs called archetypes/mythemes/schemes exist implies a huge emotional attachment to the stories and large affect when recalling them. Rene Van der Slujis thinks that religious rituals may help this preservation process. What may have triggered such a deep emotional arousal dragging these archetypes into the collective unconscious? It must have been something Traumatic, therefore catastrophic. (Flood?)
My friend agree with the author that there is No evidence of borrowing which is consistent with what you explain of the "Gossip Whisper" phenomena. The Atrahasis akkadian version must have inspired on previous sumerian Ziusudra version. Then Atrahasis version may have become the Gilgamesh or the Biblical, and there is also the Egyptian Hathor/Shekhmet version which is quite different (another culture, another knowledge). If Genesis was the shortest version is likely later than longer ones, because as experiments have shown legends tend to simplify. Ziusudra version might be considered shorter because it is largely uncomplete.
@@theconsciousnutshell805 What, the trauma of dead drowned people permeates our supernatural minds, now? This sounds like Jordan Peterson bs. What happened was that some civilizations (especially near flood plains) experienced floods that, to them, seemed cataclysmic. For all they could know, they were global floods. Then comes the telephone game as generations hear and change the story.
No, a global flood is impossible in so many ways. The most glaring of which is that it would have killed the entire biosphere and would take millions of years for the world to recover from.
Many cultures had the flood myth before the Bible but I always assumed they got it from gilgamesh just because it was a closer civilization to where Christianity started so it was easier to borrow from. Alot of the Bible was lifted from older polytheistic religions. Ever wonder how Moses who grew up in Egypt received the commandments that happen to sound very familiar to many of the egyptian negative confessions
You are very wrong and one wonders if this is on purpose.
In the end the bible is written by humans long after the stories it tells took place and thrnarrator is unreliable
You mean where Judaism started. Christianity branched off from Judaism.
@@njalsand133 the narrator is unreliable how do you come to that conclusion? The book of Job is supposed to be the oldest book in the Bible, yet it contains information that was long gone by the time it was put to paper. If what you say is true then how could the author knew about that time period unless he had some type of source reveal it to him?
I think accusing the Jews of taking this story from the Babylonians, really downplays how fierce Jewish traditionalism can be, in which forbade the adoption of religious practices of other nations with threat of the death penalty.
The Jews made a practice of debating over and denouncing later post exilic texts, such as the book of Enoch, Book of the Giants (both of which are flood narrative stories), and other books, on the basis that they were inspired by Babylonian, Greek or otherwise foreign stories and philosophies which contradicted previous traditions.
There were many debates between the Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes over the canonicity of the Pentateuch, Neviim and Ketuvim sections of the Tanakh. The one side accepting all sections, but the other the Pentateuch alone, but all agreed that the Pentateuch was canon, the section of the Jewish Bible that includes the flood account and the traditions of Moses.
No such debate exists in neither ancient Jewish nor Christian history over the canonicity of Noah’s flood. But there is much debate over certain texts that can certainly be attributed to new teachings creeping into Judaism post the exile period, including, as aforementioned, versions of the flood story like the one contained in post-exilic “book of the Giants”, which was rejected “due” to its Babylonian influences.
I'm an Agnostic. The answer is most likely yes, Genesis probably did take influence from older works but that's not a bad thing. Culture is dynamic and so are its stories. When people intermix with each other they tend to exchange ideas and traditions with each other.
Why can't it be other way around? Biased much?
@@MinisterRedPill Like I said, "culture is dynamic and so are its stories, when people intermix with each other they tend to exchange ideas and traditions with each other." So no doubt Hebrew culture and stories also influenced other cultural traditions.
Learning about th epic did gave me a confusion on whether the book of Genesis derived the flood narrative from the epic, but this video answered all my questions very clearly. An informative learning material and this is really helpful for students like us who wants to understand the correlations of literary works to other cultures and works!
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Genesis is a CORRECTIVE RESPONSE to things like this; such as Sumerian/Babylonian and Egyptian myths. It is setting the record straight on what actually occurred. THAT is why people think it’s “copied”…. It’s the ANSWER to many pagan twistings of history.
@@dazdavis7896 your god is as made up as the god's in the epic Gilgamesh,, you are just looking at it in your culture's perspective,,,, that's what the video is about.
"Not literary dependence but shared traditions; all the flood accounts are building of original world traditions handed down to later cultures." Its a shared memory passed down to generations and generations after the event. The fact that so many cultures speak of it, contributes to the credibility that it really happened in such a way that it effected all people living in that time.
Except for the fact that no sedimentary layers record a worldwide flood as depicted in genesis though the account talk of a localized flood thus the Gilgamesh epic.
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 Exactly, this narrator is trying so hard to not make it inspired by the epic story, it would be like the creators of Jason Voorhees saying this character is nothing like Michael Myers
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 nope... 95% of the ground you walk on IS sedimentairy rock on a bedrock of granite usually...so the biblical account is factual.... the gilgamesh epos is just 1 derived story of it.... look at the boat gilgamesh talks about and its dimensions... a large cube of 60 by 60 by 60 cubits.. a large dice...... and that on stormy water waves.... proving gilgameshes story unreliable.... and NOT authentic....
@@thewaytruthandlife there was no global flood
Reason, I live in Australia and the native people of Australia has been on this land since 80k years. Thus the bible is parroting a localized flood, the Egyptians existed 5000 years before Christ.
No it doesn't, it just means that floods have been happening around the world for thousands of years and every culture has experienced a bad one. So no they are not all referring back to the same event, and to pretend that they are is dishonest.
I think it’s just as likely that Pagan myths recorded these events (using similar verbal transmission) before Genesis was written.
Genesis came first - whether written or oral.
Even if written , just because papyrus doesn’t last as long as stone , don’t mean it came after .
What is more likely to survive natural disasters or the test of time? A library of history books or the more modern Georgia Guidestones?
@@morticiagomez6558 My point is just because there are written accounts that predate Genesis doesn’t mean Genesis isn’t the original story.
@@tjimmy71 Yes. True. X
@@tjimmy71 lmao how can you not see all you are doing is wishful thinking. you are doing metal gymnastics to convince yourself that genesis wasn't copied while all evidence points to genesis coming after. i know your religion's entire foundation would collapse over some words on a rock but sometimes you have to take things at face value.
@@slaybot2291 Maybe, y'know, WATCH THE VIDEO.
John Currid in his book Against the Gods: The Polemical Theology of the Old Testament also takes the view that Genesis was a polemic against these accounts.
Michael hieser probably does to. Being a middle eastern linguist and theologian
The video was very informative and reliable because of its supporting evidence. The speaker explained the topic clearly in the video, and it was nice. Please continue making content like these.
German, Divine Grace
NLec 5
I’ve waited for this video by IP for Years!
Christians are the hunters?
“Dad is on a hunting trip, he hasn't been back in a while...”-Dean Winchester.
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Oh my
Gilgamesh wept bitter tears. "He who was my companion through adventure and hardship is gone forever."
Darmok and Gilad at Tanagra.
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@@animaljonestx Pretty much my thought that Picard did it best. ^^
Based Bull of Heaven
Gilgamesh stole it from Genesis... The history in Genesis is older than the Epic of Gilgamesh.
No it isn't
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Long sigh. No, it's not.
keep lying.
Short answer: when Babylon invaded Jerusalem under Nabucodonosor, they took the hebrews as slaves. Once in Babylon, the scribes took the Babylon culture and adapted it to their own. Then those myths got passed down into western culture. That is why they are so similar.
The Talmud is actually babylonian. What we know as "jewish" culture is in great part babylonian.
@Tariq Hassan you're wrong just like muhammad was
@@tootsie40 Muhammad copied Sasanians' religion
@@tootsie40 The book of Genesis is thousands of years older than the Babylonian Talmud. The book of Genesis is also thousands of years older than the Babylonian Captivity.
You are just about as correct as Mohamad was, and he was not very correct.
@@juanduenas1943 The book of Genesis was first captured in the Pentateuch, which dates to approx. 1250 BC. Thousands? Uh, nah. But you're correct in that Muhammad was not correct about much.
@@stuartbluefield769 Genesis was written 1400-1450 B.C The Babylonian Talmud was completed 500 A.D. and continued to be edited till 700 A.D. so they are prominently 2150 years apart. 2000 is thousands m8
I was off on the Babylonian Captivity, but to be fair I am no scholar. However, the point is Genesis predates the Babylonian Captivity, and the completion of the
Babylonian Talmud. Also the Babylonian Talmud simply having been written in the region called Babylon is not an indication of Babylonian influence. However, I am splitting hairs with the whole thousands thing. It really has little to do with my point.
This definitely isn't plagiarism. The stories may have similarities but they aren't significant. They are way more different than similar. Gilgamesh sook immortality like the survivors of the flood and he fought the "god" who caused the flood.
It's actually "sought", not "sook".
Its all mythology
@@DJ-uc8mk I wouldn’t be so sure
@@DJ-uc8mk Graham Hancock younger dryas, Billy Carson, Matthew lacroix, Paul Wallis, Linda Moulton Howe
@@camelxravennova Have any of these people ever see a 500 year old man build a boat
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The flood is an older story even than the Epic of Gilgamesh. The Flood is simply a story that developed in the fertile crescent because it likely happened and it likely happened slowly as the gulf encroached on more and more land. The story is geographically relevant to the region. It is not really relevant to the geographically to the production of Genesis. So it was adopted (or appropriated )from a separate culture. But this is how culture works. Weather it was actually simply plagiarised from the T E of G is really not that interesting unless there is some hard (not literary evidence for it)
@Steve what word dinglehopper?
Whilst I think your point is generally true, it is interesting to compare similarities between Christianity and older cultures and stories. When that religion purports to be the origin of all things and claims moral authority over people using these stories to do so, it is very interesting and important to illustrate the facts of the older cultures this religion shares it's stories with.
You almost had me fooled and then I realised this is an Evangelical apologist channel that deliberately glosses over important similarities and claims that Genesis is different in some mysterious way. Intellectual dishonesty - a hallmark of Evangelical Apologetics.
IP, when will the exodus- rediscovered documentary will be released Again ! Any UPDATE.
Abraham was raised in the city of UR kasdim!"l The land of the Chaldeans !" Which was an ancient city that was part of the old Sumerian empire !" No doubt the account of Genesis was heavily influenced by his early teaching's ,I doubt it was plagiarized from the epic of Gilgamesh , which seems to be an epic tale of a king with the back drop of their historical flood accounts !" Much like a survivors tale of the Titanic would focus on their own experience in the context of a more complete story regarding the event !" It would seem Genesis is more in line with an older traditional story !"
@Randomnamegeneratir that's from a religious perspective,something I have no interest in debating . The biblical text concerning the flood accounts have the basic narrative you find contained in the older cuneiform Mesopotamian story !" Showing an extremely probable source of the biblical flood story !""
Genesis is a corrective RESPONSE to Sumerian/Babylonian & Egyptian myths. It’s not “influenced” by them; it is literally setting the record straight. It is responding to the pagan twisting of history to tell what actually occurred.
@@robertalston6013 Every ancient mythology has story about a global flood because it happened. Grand Canyon is scar from a giant flood. Shells are on top of Everest. Etcetera
Epic of Gilgamesh changed continuously and there are several different can be seen in other versions. The similarities between the two accounts is because of the shared tradition in cultures.
Delos Reyes, Erica Jane T.
NLEC-6
This video helps me to understand the difference of two epics even though it's 22 minutes video because the narrator not only tackles the similarities of both story but also analyzed the small details of both stories.
Meca Ella R. Silverio
NLEC6
Did Genesis Copy The Epic of Gilgamesh?
Is the Pope Catholic?
he may be anything but never a Christian
No.
The different versions show how stories develop over time. Genesis is simply another variant,
Yahweh begins as a nice guy but morphs into a monster over time.
You can't trust this character.
@@JamesRichardWiley old testament god is a fucking monster from the start tbh
@@JamesRichardWiley
Monster ? No y'all just want a hippy God that lets everyone do what they want
I just wish God cared about my suffering to death from cancer
@@davidpatton4746 It didn’t seem like he cared about Jesus’ suffering but we seen what happened when he stayed strong
The book of Enoch seems more like Gilgamesh than the Bible's account
Either way a flood of their storys salt water would kill most plant life....the flood did not happen.
It would be less partisan to have a comparison side-by-side of the datation of the book of Genesis with those of the Mesopotamian texts. Awesome video.
mesopotamian texts predate them a bunch, there can be no comparison
@@PBndJ What I meant is that genesis' oldest datation fits in its quality of composition and symbolism to the era it is carbon dated. The two three, good and evil, the light and days, all fit the post Zoroastrianism era and symbolism of dualism, good and evil. This concept is also seen in gnostic texts from Judean sects, the children of light and teacher of righteousness, their murdered messiah, found in the dead see scrolls. all dated around that early pre-Christian time.
@@PBndJ only partially true from my research. Maybe I'm missing something but Gilgamesh's flood story was a later addition (tablet 11 and 12) and Genesis actually predates it.
I have seen that there is evidence to support that a cataclysmic flood did happen. So perhaps it wasn’t stolen, but Experienced by different voices and folklore.
More likely, every civilization settled near rivers and experienced floods, so they all had stories about floods.
@@SwordTune It's usually clarified in all of these stories that a flood covered the WHOLE earth
@@fatstrategist that is certainly what it would feel like to those people. But just because that’s what it felt like doesn’t mean that’s what really happened.
@@TheStalec by consecutive civilizations who lived by the same flood plains, yeah. But we don’t have coinciding flood myths from civilizations in other parts of the world, especially for that same time period. There isn’t evidence for a global flood, there’s ample evidence against it. All sea life would’ve died from salinity/water pressure, all plants would’ve died from lack of photosynthesis and from drowning, and the geological record would show ample evidence of the entire biosphere dying off.
And what, did the wallabies from Australia cross several oceans to get to the Middle East, and then waddle all the way back when it was done? What did the anteaters do when there was two ants left in the world? And where would the water come from/go? Recovering from a global flood would have taken millions upon millions of years for the world.
The Hebrews: can we copy your homework?
Sumerians: okay, but don’t make it obvious
@@ufpride83 seems like u didn’t watch the vid
@@PhantomDash-dg8ni you mean the 22 minutes of rambling about the Gilgamesh story having different versions and the Hebrew story didn’t copy word for word or copy the direct style and formula?
You mean that video?
Yeah I watched it, guess you don’t understand my comment 🤷♂️
@@ufpride83 there’s no direct evidence pointing that the Hebrews copied from the Sumerians ,what we have is majority speculations .what’s more likely is that some thousands of years ago there was a huge regional flood and the traumatic experience passed down to civilizations in the near East including canaan (where the Israelites were from) and Sumeria. The connection between the Hebrew account and Mesopotamian version is very week with very few loan words making the possibility of a borrowing unlikely ,regional events like a Traumatic major flooding like a mentioned before would have been more likely of where the Hebrews got their story from ,the event would have been passed down by a common ancestor of some sort then separating at some point differing each version of the event
@@PhantomDash-dg8ni you don’t need word for word copy to realize that a story was taken from another culture and changed a bit to make it their own.
There’s far more evidence that the Hebrews came up with the story of Noah through cultural diffusion than there is evidence that God is a genocidal monster who would drown the entire planet because humans made him so mad 🤷♂️
I was just questioning the whole Gilgamesh correlations to Genesis not too long ago and you explained this all much better and more in depth than I was receiving from the articles I had read. Thank you! Definitely subscribed and will be donating to your Patreon!
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@@terryfuldsgaming7995 The similarities just prove that the flood most likely happened as people talked about it across cultures that may have never even came into contact with each other.
Wrong book of gilgamesh doesnt predict future correctly. Book of bible predicts future correctly. Bible is made by GOD because no human can predict the future 100 percent accurate
@@jasonmunoz334 Which Bible? King James, Quran, Septuagint, Pentateuch, or the other thousand different versions of the Bible? Why did they take books out of the Bible like the book of Enoch?
@@brandonhanserd7832 first of all bro. Quran is a book with added words of a man and words of GOD which is bible. Quran tells to follow the bible. So it knows that existence of bible. Therefore it is possible that Quran copied many things in bible but humans added text to it that GOD didnt say. Because bible never told that there will be another book. And follow it. So quran is a man made book or altered bible so we cannot trust it. If you prefer this untranslated books. Its alright. For GOD wants you to know what kind of GOD is he. Words are not enough to express what a personality is fully and what you experience cannot be describe only by one word. They say. Picture has 1000 words. What more is a real time picture. Therefore. Bible is still a word of GOD even in different translations. It can predict the future. And that makes it true even in different versions. Different versions only is made for different people . So people can understand it example a bible version for kids. Or a bible version for scholars that is showing more deeper meaning. Even though it has different words, it will submit you to the thought of praising GOD and knowing him better. Also. If you really wanna check it put. Try putting two bibles. With different versions. You will understand it more by reading same verse and you will understand what the real meaning of the verse and what it stands for and what it wants us to do. And also if GOD wants us to love him. It makes sense that we should know him right? Thats what a relationship is. For God know us already and love us for he sacrificed his own son, Jesus to cleanse our sin. That is what love for. Sacrifice and loves us. Believe in God.
This video is funny in that it is clear all accounts pull from a similar legend source so whether any of the versions are word per word copies hardly seems to matter; it seems each version was customized to the particular civilization or unique culture it was adapted to enlighten.
On similarities you got “Gilgamesh” confused with “Utnapishtim” and the fact that the Sumerian culture and Mesopotamian history in general predates the Hebrew Torah in writing and arithmetics. Thanks for sharing
Nothing but selective Christian / Jewish apologetics. For instance, his summary of the Epic of Gilgamesh conveniently skips the part where Enkidu is tempted out of his naked and carefree existence in a forest by the woman (and lover) Shamat. She gives him food that brings him knowledge of the life of civilised humans, which makes him dress and leave the forest for good. He later curses her for tempting him out of his former lifestyle. Neither does he mention that it's a snake that denies Gilgamesh eternal youth. Of course doing so would undermine the rest of his narrative.
@@yvindgrimstad3651 It's almost like these legends and myths were shared and told amongst cultures inspiring eachother and creating art from the process and that none of them were made in a vaccum. I don't think any of this shit actually happened but it's a fascinating dive into how storytelling through metaphor evolved around these areas of the world.
@@karlazeen I couldn't agree more.
@@yvindgrimstad3651 I love it, they would great in the Olympics if mental gymnastics was an event. Got to make at least 10 contractions to offer "evidence" for their beliefs. I get it, I was one of them for my final years as a Christian. I would do anything just to be able to convince myself that what I was told my whole life was the undeniable truth, and that anything that goes against it is an agent of the devil trying to desive you. You wouldn't think if someone loves their God so much, they would at least like to know how their gods came to be. It's honestly a little sad.
@@karlazeen nah it can't be. It's to simple and makes too much sense. It's not like every piece of historical evident points to it. Lol
The epic of Gilgamesh is 1000 years older than the Hebrew bible. That's it.
The written version is. Tales from the Bible were spoken thru generations perhaps way before the epic book was ever written? Sumerians were after all one of the first cultures to develop a written language. This means that the author of the Epic could have heard the Hebrew story of the great flood himself before put it into written albeight different words.
Unfortunately some scholars or would be scholars do not take this into concideration.
This video gives insights regarding the assumption in the account of Genesis and Gilgamesh. Overall, it helps me to conclude that the story of the flood in Genesis is not copied from The Epic of Gilgamesh upon analyzing the facts. The main points are also well-explained and supported by research. Hence, I commend this video for the useful information.
Allones, Vanessa M.
OBTEC 1-3
It actually owes a huge debt to Plato and to his Critias and Timaeus, as well as Plato's Atlantis myth... My dad's latest book lays it pretty much all bare. Here's a playlist of his interviews. The later ones cover it in more detail. Enjoy!
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Gday. This video proves that the Babylonian 1800BC 'Akkadian cunieform'.....versions ,were all based on earlier,pre 2000BC SUMERIAN versions.....ie God < E.A.(Lord of Waters) akk < En.Ki,
if interested...i highly reccomend the British Museum expert bk on this topic....(they have even made a 'ark' according to the plans of Enki) @ARK BEFORE NOAH...by Irving Finkel.
in Gilgamesh...after Lebanons Cedar Forest, .he travels to Mnt Sinai /mnt cHATHORine....and finds 'Noah'(Utnapushtim~he of long life).
In Astrahasis, and Sumerian txt....Noah name is Ziasudra, and E.A. 'god'...is Enki.
* the hebrew txt written after Babylonian exile ....600BC.......1400 yrs later is the True version because its 'Simpler"? (child version?)
even more doubtable.....when the actual Bible was Greek and written by desert father @GALLI priesthood EUNECHS like Eusebius, and @ORIGEN.
* the bible talks of Nile river plagues by "God Yahweigh' on a pharoh......but not one mention of the pyramid. Moses in the bullrush basket?.....try @ SARGON of Akkad.....the story on the Euphrates (Sumer/babylon~Iraq)...but also written earlier..circa 2300BC....and in another kingdom!....a kingdom also conquered by the GREEKS ,in 300BC.
.....hint.....paleo, or Biblical 'Hebrew' = @PHONECIAN......(the alpha-beta letter=sound txt that replaced the difficult Cunieform symbols).....the Greeks have hid the phonecian txts,and used their symbols as the 'basis' for greek.
in Phonecian (Paleo+ Modern Hebrew)....the 'W'= sh...sound. The Greeks rotated on side,to make 3, then 'S'.....the sigma...'ess sound' .
Hebrew?.....try their Akkadian and Egyptian name....@ HABIRU.
Not Gilgamesh, but the Enuma Elish and the genesis account is more a summary than the complete creation story
WOW Vanessa, you have a lot of research to do. Your fallacious assertion is ludicrous. Just because you have no concept for factual evidence, does not mean that your ignorant premise is of any substance. Provide demonstrable proof for your claim.
@@davefletch3063 This is what I have been saying too. The Sumerian creation story (Eridu Genesis) is the one they have both copied.
*cracks knuckles* I recently started studying Mesopotamian mythology. Here's the thing: floods were common in Mesopotamia (being between two rivers and all). It makes perfect sense they would have a story about a flood or floods. Said flood would probably not have covered the whole planet, but it could have been destructive enough to make it *feel* like the whole world was flooded to the people at the time.
Atrahasis is far older than Genesis, as far as I'm aware. Ancient Jews could easily have heard about the Mesopotamian flood story and adapted it (possibly during their exile in Babylon? just a guess). Yes, Noah's story and Atrahasis could have roots in a common story, but that would still mean the stories are related.
The differences you pointed out between the versions of Gilgamesh and between Atrahasis and Genesis do not impress me. Stories change over time, and details are the first things to change (like the names of minor characters or the order you send out birds).
Also..... Enki/Ea warned Atrahasis/Utnapishtim about the flood was because he worshipped Enki/Ea.
@Ceol Yes I did, actually. Yu the Engineer from China, for example. But the discussion here is about the flood stories from Mesopotamia and the Levant specifically.
@Ceol Well, it's easy to discredit the bible as a fantasy book since that's exactly what it is
@Ceol You mean the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin? That's a science book, actually. And I will enjoy it, thank you.
Please take your anger someplace else, though.
@Ceol We actually know that Darwin wrote a science book. Unlike religion, science is valid only when it's been proven, not when people tell you just to believe it. The same cannot be said about religion and the little stories in there.
Darwin helped us understand how nature works. Meanwhile the bible taught us that if kids make fun of old people, a bear will eat them. Great lesson about the love of god
@Ceol Also, I am confused how being gay has any effect on his work. And anyone would be angry if they had to deal with religious people and their bs.
But regarding your claim about him being "uninformed" or "lacking technology and understanding", got any proof there? Or you just wanna assume that about a pioneer in the science?
This video is very informative. This video explains clearly the real reason why Genesis and Gilgamesh have similarities.
San Gabriel, Edwin S.
NLec 4
It is apparent, that Sumer, and other noted areas, had a profound influence on the writers of Genesis. Most likely, the flood was a shared cultural experience, and that the flooding of many regions was an actual occurrence.
Not just an actual occurrence, but an almost annual occurrence. They were in a constant battle to harness and not be destroyed by the flooding Tigress and Euphrates
Apparent? Have you read genesis.
Correction: NOAH and his story had a profound effect on the ancient Sumerians, who were descendants of one of Noah’s sons- possibly the son named “Ham”.
Gilgamesh = Nimrod
Sumeria = Babylon
Nimrod is one of the great grandsons of Noah. He was known to be very vain, hence why he would become a protagonist in his great grandfathers’ story
The flood took place between 11,000 to 12,000 years ago. Memory of it was transmitted orally for millennia until the Sumerians invented writing and wrote it down. A people called the Hibiru were known to the sumerians and often sojourned in mesopotamian cities in the 3rd millennium BC. Supporting this timeline is the fact that there are eerily similar details in the flood account of the Maya, the Popol Vuh, such as the gods destroying the world with a flood because they were displeased with humanity.
Morticia Gomez you're delusional at best. Your gymnastics are just incredible. There's nothing wrong if the flood didn't actually happen, it's not like that debunks our faith or anything it's just a myth that's serves us to interpret, not to the take as a factual thing. God gave us a brain to think, and be skeptical, even of the very Bible, specially considering it has been altered so much throughout history
Listening to this a second time, I'm reminded that you sure say it could have been this or it might have been this, or it might have been something completely different. Could have been a story that was written based on an actual account that was adjusted at other times to shoot the purpose of others. The problem is is you don't know anymore at the end of this then you did before. The other problem is is it virtually nobody who listen to this knows any more than they did before.
I mean that's the best anyone will ever have unless they time travel or something
Welcome to ancient history where all we have is speculation. All we have are educated guesses, and that's OK. What we can't do is let our biases dictate how we interpret the evidence. Reality does not cater to our beliefs.
The theme of this presentation seemed to be that the Hebrew version of the flood myth was not derived from the Sumerian version but was a part of a distinct Hebrew tradition separate from any other, with the implication that it was somehow more "pure" or something, who knows what. But the Sumerian culture so permeated that whole area for millennia that it's unlikely the Hebrews didn't learn of it from them. Sumerian was the "Latin" for many subsequent civilizations, preserved and used as a liturgical language therefore their literature would have been preserved, too. And just because some people were literate it was hardly universal so storytelling was happening simultaneously with the evolution of the written epic. Of course the spoken and written versions would have diverged, especially in orally interpreted versions. My belief is that the Hebrews cribbed a lot from the Egyptians and Babylonians including monotheism, from the latter, and the flood myth, from the former. There's a possibility that the Hebrews learned the flood myth directly from Sumer, with whom they were in contact, while they were in the peripatetic nomad herder phase of their cultural evolution and preserved the flood myth orally. Imagine the delight of a captive Hebrew priest in Babylon to learn that the ancient Sumerian tradition that the Hebrews had been recounting orally for over a millennium was corroborated in Babylonian records. Of course it would feature prominently in their creed henceforth!
@@76rjackson The Hebrews are Sumerians according to Genesis.
@@robertblume2951 And the Hebrews were itinerant pastoralists who did odd jobs in their cities according to the Sumerians. Since the Sumerians kind of invented writing, that makes them the more authoritative source, I'm sure you agree.
1:50 I like how the rejuvinating plant at the bottom of the sea sounds like what might have happened to the tree of life after the Flood occurred.
The Blaan tribe of Mindanao have a story about great flood the name of hero is Fye Weh, they build Aweng or boat.
I’m so sorry
i guess Noah wasn't the only man with a boat
What's with the multiple comments with weird signing off with acronyms
Animals taken onboard two by two in the Gilgamesh myth. Genesis also states that the Earth was formed before the Sun. That is not possible. People didn't know back then that planetary formation relies on a central gravity well first i.e. the Sun. This would indicate the Bible and other religious creation myths are man made.
Or that the biblical account is a theological explanation arranged for liturgical use, not a literal account.
@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 The Bible is declared by some to be the literal word of god apparently, even after it's many mistranslations, redactions and varying editions. Not a jot is to be changed.
@@maxmac7845, I believe the Bible is the Word of God according to how the Eastern Orthodox Church, which is the Church that compiled the Old Testament and wrote the New, defines it. I was raised as a Fundie, so I'm very familiar with the so-called literal approach to the Bible that Fundies swear by, and I'm familiar with how and why that view is wrong.
@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 Your disagreement with the other versions is exactly the same reasons the followers of said other versions would disagree with you.
You would imagine that if there really was a God, he/she/it would be perfectly capable of making it abundantly clear which, if any of the multiple versions of the Bible was the correct one.
@@maxmac7845, of course, there's a difference between the original disagreeing with offshoots who have twisted the meaning of the original and people disagreeing over an unclear text. But people disagree over clear things anyway. I mean, get real. The data is very clear the vaccines don't cause autism, but people stupidly hold to the idea that they do. Perspicuity of the data does not ensure people will not argue about the data.
How the vocabulary would be the same, when the languge changes? Every totalitarian regime in the history of man, has always written their own "origin story", based on the older "origin stories" to strengthen their strangle hold of the populus. Gilgamesh isn't the first to do this, they were just the ones to write it with words in stone. The stories themselves are much older.
It's one of the reasons I'm fascinated by religious. Most come from a combination of oral tradition that go back for who knows how long. I've always wondered what the stories sounded like before people started playing telephone with them. They are one of the few links we have with our ancient ancestors.
@@goobermcboogerballs1420 telephone game is based on whispering. Recording histories is recording histories.
@@keepthechange2811if your taking anything pre writing as history I fell bad for you son. You might have 99 stories but reality ain't one.
@@goobermcboogerballs1420 Even in the Stone Age there is evidence of religious practices. It's interesting to wonder what those beliefs and stories were like and how much if at all they influenced the later myths that we are more familiar with.
Moses was raised as the son of a Pharaoh - he would have had access to ALL the ancient written histories from all the ancient nations. He would have been well aware of the Gilgamesh tablets.
It was passed down from Abraham. Moses came later
Moses it self seems to be drawn from The Legend of Sargon.
There is nothing original about Jews or their copycat Jesus. They Shamelessly copy-cat everything from multiple sources to cling on to the business of religion and power.
The Bible says Nimrod built the cities of Babylon and Nineveh soon after THE FLOOD. So it makes sense that in Babylon and Nineveh there would be memory of this event passed down through the generations. Sort of like the atomic bomb destruction being passed down/remembered through the generations in Hiroshima. If THE FLOOD account was to be "remembered" it would be in these two cities. The FLOOD event probably happened a little over 100,000 years ago. It must have been SOMETHING to be remembered in Gilgamesh 95,000 years later.
You are doing priceless work! May God bless you!
What about Exodus? Baby moses, placed in a basket, covered in bitumen, floated down the nile is very similar to baby Sargon, placed in a basket, covered in bitumen, floated down the Euphrates. Coincidence?
what about the garden of hesperides and serpent vs the garden of eden or Pandora and Eve or Hercules and Samson or the Flood of Zeus and Noah or the 42 confessions of Maat vs the 10 commandments. Or the greeks Tartarus vs tartaroō in the bible.
It was all done to distract the virgin story that was to come. Through mary
@woaiyuyan well we cant find the commandments but we can go see 42 confessions of Ma'at on the walls right now.... but to be honest no goddess wrote Ma'at confessions and no God wrote any commandments. Man always writes laws to reinforce the laws of nature. It's just a trip that Ma'at predates Moses by so many centuries and we still have her writings but we have nothing from Moses
@woaiyuyan NOTHING created by humans is divine. Nothing created by humans is needed for human survival.. If everything we created were disappear animal life plant life and human life would still flourish.. No bible no sweat.. But if that sun disappear or if that oxygen or water disappears then life stops. We make things that we want but the creates creates the things that we need. Bibles lowriders and bubble gum are things that we want but we do not need them.. If we did need them the creator would have created it just like the creator created the sun. The bible is just a middleman trapping folks and keeping them away from their creator
You present evidence of the stories evolution and fluidity as a reason why it IS NOT likely the influence of genesis....
How?
Logically, that shows it is evidence to support it as it explains the transition from and fluidity of the tale in Genesis and how "Chinese whispers" across generations would edit the story to their world and belief system...
The evience is that the flood has been added to the latest version of the epic which came approx with genesis which means the flood in genesis was not inspired by the final form of gilgamesh. Since Moses, the one believed to have written Genesis, was with the isrealites escaping Pharoah and his slavery, that makes it literally impossible for him to reach the newly translated epic including the flood, yet alone understand its language, and ofc since the isrealites accompanying him were slaves, none of them had the priv of being educated.
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There's no literary dependence from Genesis on the epic of Gilgamesh although there's a heavy literary dependence from the epic of Gilgamesh (late version) on Atrahasis.
It is obvious by now that the flood was something passed by older generations and so people started including it everywhere, that doesn't mean that the flood didn't happen, it simply makes it likely possible that Genesis is the first book to have mentioned the flood.
Which makes people hating on Genesis in a nutshell: *well they both have the word flood in them soooo*
@@raymondirani4812 That’s horseshit.
@@mobiusbelts3607 a fact is a fact mate
@@raymondirani4812 Right, because incorrect “facts” have never existed and obfuscation & revisionism have never affected the history of human civilization.
@@mobiusbelts3607 lol as if you know any better than the 2 scholars Mark Chavalas and Ben Stanhope
And also Jeff Tigay
John Miles Foley
Tremper Longman and John H. Walton
Mark S. Smith
Florentino Garcìa Martinez
Ward E. Sanford
and many more.
Please explain to me how a mastermind like you discovered that all these facts these people worked there life for are wrong
This and other videos are full of contradictions. On the one hand it is claiming the flood is local, on the other hand it is accepting the story of using ravens.
The problem is that genesis states that the waters receded after 150 days. The waters in any local flood would recede a lot quicker and Noah would not need birds to locate land after this time. Also if the ark was left in the hills then it would have been grounded within a few days after the rain stops.
Additionally, a global flood does not make sense either without accepting that that Earth is surrounded by a physical firmament holding back waters. So the writers of this story clearly accepted this cosmological view of the universe.
Great presentation, but I think the end result is that the inspiration is shared and transferred from the older to the newer text with all the transformations that exist over time and the author's purpose. They are all different adaptations of the same ancient history.
But I think the purpose of the presentation is to refute the claim that the Genesis account is plagiarized from the Gilgamesh and other accounts. Not to take away from the fact that there are indeed different ancient accounts of the flood.
@@famemontana I agree. The video was good, but the story of Genesis, as well as other similar mythological stories, seems to come from the same source. The different variations are due to the long time that has passed and to the oral and cultural alterations over the centuries.
@@eldour6101 that makes sense. I guess with the presupposition that the Bible is true that would have to be the case because the story would have had to been passed down by the three different lineages that all leads back to Noah and his sons. From that I could see how it comes from the same source and also why there are different variations of the story
@@famemontana The older story must be closer to the real event.
Well made video, but still deceptive biblical apologetics that tries to ignore the similarities and exaggerrate the differences. Ignoring the obvious similarities between Enkidu & Shamat and Adam & Eve, for instance. The biblical story had to be simplified to fit its monotheistic context. He "forgets" to mention that Genesis has two inconsistent flood stories. One using the plural Elohim for God and the other the singular Jehovah.
"shared traditions" sounds like an euphemism for copying.
see if you consider traditions as anything more than "a thing people do for many generations" then you begin to see that its not just something that is as arbitrary as you think it is. The more someone studies society, the more "deep" traditions become, the more they actually teach.
@@boguslav9502 sounds like more euphemisms.
Sure there are some traditions based on either innate human or in environment characteristics, those I understand may be able to appear in different cultures without being copied (in different forms).
But when you have stories such as those in the genesis... come on man. There's no way you have such similar stories without being copied between cultures.
@@rGGdom But it's not as if the first Christians heard that story somewhere and said "quick, write that down!" Tropes like that disseminate naturally over the course of decades/centuries, even if they originate from a single point. So if "shared traditions" is a bit euphemistic, "copying" is a gross exaggeration
@@oilslick7010 good point. Maybe the word "copying" is not accurate either, but you get the point. What we mean is that is not an original story, even if is taken from some centuries old folklore.
Not at all. The three stories are different sources that confirm the same event. Noah was Abraham’s ancestor, and the Bible says that Abraham lived with his family in Ur, a Sumerian city. Why? Because they all were Sumerians!
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This proves the Bible’s real the Israelites which are of God than you have the gentiles of that time that believed in other “gods” ect. There’s only one true God and that’s Jesus Christ
Exodus 4:21-23
Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the Lord says, “Israel is my son, my firstborn. So I said to you, 'Let my son go so that he may serve me;' but you have refused to let him go. Behold, I am going to kill your son, your firstborn.”'”
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one” (Deuteronomy 6:4).
The LORD is a mistranslation for YAHUAH the Hebrew name of Elohim most of the time and God is a mistranslation of Elohim the Hebrew word for God most of the time.
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@@ProdigalSon_8 Your God is a fusion of multiple bronze-age gods and was worshipped alongside figures like Baal. Your god was originally a god of storm and war until he was combined with the Canaanite god El. This is all obvious in the historical record and agreed upon by most Bible scholars, it’s just considered taboo to talk about. I encourage you to do some research on it.
@@OuterRimPride Jesus Jesus Jesus. You hate that don’t you demon? You hate the name of the Lord
I think the point is there are flood stories in almost every culture dating back way before the biblical one. It's not plagiarism. You can pick apart every little difference and every similarity ad nauseam. They are stories. Just that.
You're missing the home run portions of the main "point"! It's the same story told all around the world. It's almost like that game people play as young children, "Telephone". Pass a story around enough and details change!
There is a reason that this main story (the flood) has lasted so long and it's not because it's just some made up story. Please don't trust me and what I'm saying but rather, research and read the original texts "Atrahasis" and "Enuma Elish", yourself.
I'm a huge Gilgamesh fanboy but when people assert that Noah's character is stolen from Utnapishtim they are just arguing in bad faith... the flood HAPPENED (feel free to argue over the locution vs illocution of the ark and two of each animals and all that, but we KNOW a flood happened and it was BIG and wiped out a LOT of civilizations and a lot of the areas are still under 400 feet of water to this day), we have overwhelming evidence of it, and every culture in Mespotamia and surrounding regions knew it, so the appearance of the flood in multiple histories/epics is NOT a surprise or indicative of any kind of plagiarism.
Didn't noah live before the date of the stone tablet written myth texts.. maybe the flood of noah and it was passed down as atrahasis or gilgamesh with some changes in the real story?
@@WanderlustWanderer-iu2qr agreed, with the following caveat: the prehistoric world wasn't big on plagiarism as we conceive of it in the modern world. They weren't like "oh i like that story, i'm gonna change some stuff and pretend that i made it up". these were the ways that tribal cultures kept a record of their people's history over vast periods of time, often without the benefit of written language, or sometimes a VERY rudimentary one.
these are ancient, ANCIENT oral records that have undergone very small generational changes that add up over time depending on the group that has kept them
the flood happened sometime VERY roughly around 10,000 BC, plus or minus a few millennia and it affected literally everyone in the known world... it sunk the land bridge that the native american's ancestors used to reach north america, it cut the UK off from the mainland, and completely wiped out many civilizations that remain underwater to this day, most of whom we will probably never know about, unless our detection technology improves greatly; the earliest copy of the epic of gilgamesh that we possess wasn't written until 2,100 BC... so by the time it was written, the flood was already SEVEN THOUSAND YEARS OLD (like I said, give or take a few millennia) and every culture's account of it would end up differing slightly, but they would all most certainly remember it
so the similarities could potentially be ascribed to any or none of the following: 1.) the different poems are describing the same story but from different cultures points of view, 2.) the different poems are describing different stories but in the same setting with different characters, 3.) the different poems could be describing literally the exact same thing and the differences are down to errors on the part of the translators/available translation methods, 4.) the different poems could be describing the same character that plays a different role in the particular story of that poem but simply calling him by a different name or title because it is written from the perspective of a different culture
The Bible says that they released a raven first but it flew to and fro uselessly, then later released a dove. Funny how I never remember the raven being there at all…
So even if your entire argument is granted mike, best case scenario....it’s still just a story. Most likely theres a kernel of truth, and just a bunch of self-inflating “my culture’s better than yours”.
The title is I believe a red herring...I say this because the Eridu Genesis the text that remain from Sumeria the text that inspired Atrahasis and of course most likely the epic of Gilgamesh still claims The approaching of the flood the flood account and the sacrafice the main character Ziusudra made to the gods afterward...my thing is the biblical account may differ but it isn't the orginal the sumerian version is and every other account esppecially in the near east are derived from it in one form or another.
Thank you for this. I’m in a season of spiritual warfare and skepticism. Media seems to be attacking everything I know and learned as a child in Bible school. Your videos help me to refocus on the lord and his word
I'm in the same boat, everything biblical and godly seems to have natural explanations and sometimes it seems like we're believing some sort of fairytale religion not too different from other ancient pagan religions... My faith alone in Jesus is what keeps me grounded
@@ruatsangawhite7261
"... believing some sort of fairy tale religion", Except for what Paul said of these same pagan worshipers in Acts 17:22-31, saying they are "too superstitious" for their own good. Then shared about the one true, and living God. Keep that faith bro, sharing the truth!
@@ruatsangawhite7261 I feel the both of you, this is my second season of experiencing skepticism
First was when I was 16 and once again now that I am 19
The past however has shown me that I will only come back from it with stronger faith. Blessings to both of y’all
@@ruatsangawhite7261 Exodus 4:21-23
Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the Lord says, “Israel is my son, my firstborn. So I said to you, 'Let my son go so that he may serve me;' but you have refused to let him go. Behold, I am going to kill your son, your firstborn.”'”
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one” (Deuteronomy 6:4).
The LORD is a mistranslation for YAHUAH the Hebrew name of Elohim most of the time and God is a mistranslation of Elohim the Hebrew word for God most of the time. ,
@@rami3283 Exodus 4:21-23
Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the Lord says, “Israel is my son, my firstborn. So I said to you, 'Let my son go so that he may serve me;' but you have refused to let him go. Behold, I am going to kill your son, your firstborn.”'”
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one” (Deuteronomy 6:4).
The LORD is a mistranslation for YAHUAH the Hebrew name of Elohim most of the time and God is a mistranslation of Elohim the Hebrew word for God most of the time. 3
What's Noah doing with 2 types of birds. Does this mean there were more than 1 dog type,more that 1 cat type. So much wrong with this myth.
No one is claiming that Genesis and the Epic of Gilgamesh are identical, they are pointing out the huge similarities that are very difficult to explain away. When a work is plagiarized usually only portions are stolen so as not to be so obvious. I am a Christian and finding out about this really shook me to the core, I am trying to find an explanation that I can accept.
You don’t have to investigate this, you can have faith that the Word of God is inspired by Him.
God hasn’t made it hard, He’s made it easy for us.
@@Nameless-pt6oj 😊 Yeah, whenever something doesn’t add up, just stop thinking about it!
@@Nameless-pt6oj thinking critically is free
Any updates on your trying to understand the truth behind the flood story?
@@harijotkhalsa9496 Well even the ancient Egyptians had a flood myth and I have come to realize that this mythic flood actually took place and this is why all major ancient civilizations have this tale in their histories. The stories in the bible were originally handed down through time by word of mouth. Their a many sources such as ancient Mesopotamia and the Canaanites and of course Egypt. It gives me comfort to know that all religions are rooted in facts especially, and obviously, Christianity. We don't have to accept everything on Faith alone.
If the flood story is true, then you would expect different accounts of the same story. If the language was confused and people dispersed after the tower of babel. Youd expect different cultures to have similar flood stories. With that being said. The epic of Gilgamesh describes dimensions of a boat that is not fit for the oceans and a timeframe that is not realistic (7 days). The biblical account tells us 371 days including flooding and waters receeding. To me this makes a lot more sense logically when you take into account the continental shifts that would have been required to create ocean floors for waters to receed etc. obviously this is assuming that a supernatural force effected the usual laws of physics and sped up the process of natural occurances we see today. Also the dimensions of the biblical ark describe a boat that would not only be able to carry all of the animals mentioned but also survive in the ocean. For these reasons i personally think the biblical account os the original version and the other versions are mythologised versions of antrue event
@@JosiahRogers-q6f but epic of giglgamesh is older than genesis. How do y respond to that ?
@@benojojojojo6149 well I'd say either the earlier manuscripts were lost or it was an oral tradition before hand. Of course it's if we had a time machine we would know for sure but we can only make educated guesses and hope we're right
The _Epic of Atra-Hasis_ fits very well with the extant evidence. The actual 2900±50 BCE Euphrates River flood matches the place and time of _Atra-Hasis_ and the type of boat described in that myth, a _kuphar,_ was ubiquitous in the region at the time (something that can't be said for the boats in the _Gilgamesh_ or _Noah_ myths). Based on the archaeological evidence, _Atra-Hasis_ appears to be a fairly accurate (albeit embellished/mythologized) account of the real event; _Noah,_ on the other hand, is a much later loose adaptation of that myth and is not in any way historically accurate.
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" God is a concept by which we measure our pain "
Maybe you do....believers measure their pleasure. BTW: John Lennon was just a concept also, now he is nothing.
@@junaid1 go have a wafer and some more whine
I'm a little confused why the Bible is allowed to have a certain amount of an accuracies but anything proving the Bible to be false must be 100% correct and in its original manuscript
"The Great flood" is folk memory of the ending of the Last Ice Age and the rise of sea levels.
Nothing more nothing less. All areas have these stories.
I'm actually surprised that cultural memory can last through that timespan, given that the rise of sea level around the world possibly didn't happen overnight.
40 Days - 40 Nights of Heavy Torrential Rains and Rise of Sea Level resulting perhaps from a great precipitation and ice melts.
The Egyptian’s don’t have great flood stories.
@@ilbhaley79 bc they aren’t the earliest ppls. They descend from the Sumerians.
@@ilbhaley79 wasn't the o.g story of Atlantis recorded by Socrates from Egypt as told by Plato?
If something is true, it will hold across other stories, religions, and history.
yup, like a global flood from the distand past. humanity over thousands of years has distorted and evolved the story to now include gods and monsters.
@@stuka80 the Bible does mention the Sons of God coming in to the daughters of man, men of old, men of renown. Might not be as distorted as we think, just a different viewpoint.
@@stuka80 back then, there's no understanding of such event like today. They dont have modern tech and science to help them know whats happening, so its natural to think something crazy that happen, is caused by gods will or some shit. They see volcanoes erupting? its gods doing, a comet? a god chariot, earthquake? monster walking, etc.
Amazing breakdown. Well done again IP!
Considering the bible is just a collection of stories taken from all over the world and changed to their own version, I'd say yes.
Then you aren't living in this world , our planet doesn't lack any critisizer who don't know what is the difference between a book which is assured by evidences but and myths like Gilgamesh. And more interestingly you are actually denying many historical events and evidence . So yes Bible is Collection of Books which contains history, prophecies, moral teaching , philosophy and an unparalleled way of redemption of mankind . It's truly a miracle and a literature work.
@@anashwarmonrajan3110 blood sacrifice is nothing new. Keep reaching. You’re in a death cult.
While I don't agree with every single one of your videos, and their explanations...many of them I do agree with. What strikes me about your videos, is how you are honest with yourself about the evidence of whatever topic you are analyzing. Something I can surely appreciate. Your research is quite extensive and spot on. Few...in this world seek the truth as you do. Few are as honest with themselves, without blatant bias...as you are. Again...something I can appreciate it. So many times, when watching your videos...I realize how much you think like I do. Searching for the truth...is a skill. A skill many do not 'choose' to actually seek. I really appreciate your approach and amazing research. Keep up the good work...there are some out here...who see the lengths you go to...to find the truth. God claims to be Love...and Christ claims to be Truth. Seeking them both...is always the correct path.
Thorough and well-researched as is your standard. Much appreciated!
Thanks for your work!
The different versions of the Epics of Gilgamesh does not invalidate the plagiarism. It only takes one version (the one with the flood story in it) to be source material. Besides, the stories in Epic of Gilgamesh might have been copied from another older story, the Sumerian Epic of Ziusudra (1600 BCE), They are all myths.
Wow. Not quite. The oldest versions of Gilgamesh are older than 1600 BC. There is a traveling Sumerian exhibit I caught a few years back at Toronto's Royal Ontario Museum with tablets containing fragments of Gilgamesh, and those were far older than 1600 BC.
The bible is full of stories taken form other cultures, and adapted to the bible.
Uh no it’s not lmao... t’f
I learned a lot about the differences between these two stories from this video. Some of us can agree that many people are aware of the similarities between these two stories while ignoring their significant differences. From providing trustworthy sources, the similarities and differences were clearly explained. Although the video may seem overwhelming at first, when we evaluate it carefully, we will appreciate how these stories are structured and how they develop.
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Much of history back then was by verbal tradition. It's easy to see how influenced an unwritten history can be if events directly affect those tasked with its repetition and reciting. It doesn't need any conspiracy or planning Chinese whispers is a perfect example of how easily over time a message can be reformed into a totally different message...
We know floods occurred regionally and that is something that's proven. So, is the argument how people interpreted these events?
Every part of the Bible is literally stolen from several pagan religions. "In the beginning" is how Greek mythology begins. Also, if you open a Greek mythology book to the Trials of Heracles, specifically the trial where he has to steal a fruit from the tree of knowledge without killing the serpent guarding it, then open a Bible to the Garden of Eden story, it is almost verbatim.
You mean polythestic and yes they try to defend there myth of being stolen from another myth
To me all the three stories are different sources that confirm the same event. Noah was Abraham’s ancestor, and the Bible says that Abraham and his family lived in Ur, a Sumerian City. Why? Because they all were Sumerians!
You know after the Tower of Babel, some of the flood and creations stories my have alternate to make the people more exciting.
The fact is: they took inspiration from it and changed it to make it their own.
Yep. The closing sentence of this video is absolutely negated by...well, the video (the part of the sentence where it says "or inspired by that flood story.")
Wow, incredibly well-researched
Hebrew scholars learned from the mesopotamian culture via Babylon. Hebrews learned the first written text from Babylon, and how to write in cuneiform. They learned cuneiform by copying the the creation accounts from the prist class in Babylon. They copied the creation story. They took that home and taught it at home. The change they made was to edit out polytheism and substitute the one god teaching. Make no mistake about it their was only one way to write in the first civilization. Only the Sumerian priests to teach it. They learned by coping the sacried text of the sumerians. That's were the hebrew Genesis story came from as they developed their own priest class.
"The last two millennia BCE were turbulent years for alphabets as the two existing systems of writing - hieroglyphs and cuneiform - evolved into a third, representative form."
This evolved only after the phoenician alphabet method of writing lead to a new evolution in writing. The original hebrew text was in cuneiform and it was the genesis story taught in Babylon that the hebrew scholars took home. Of course now the hebrew priest class says it's the word of god because they do not want to give credit to the sumerian priests who taught polytheism in the original genesis teachings. In ancient times everyone understood that the original priests were in mesopotamia, and everyone knew the original version. In fact ancient hebrews accepted the sumerian version and the hebrew priest class under took a re-education effort. Even early Chistians before the 3rd century knew the sumerian tradition and early Christian teachers such as Peter taught against it, because it included polytheism. However, they taught the revised version that did not include Gilgamesh who was a son of god, and Peter specifically said Gilgamesh was not the son of god in the hebrew text. Genesis 6:4 talks about the sons of god taking earth woman to be wives. The angles that came down to earth to stay according to Peter are the sons of god. This was something very difficult for ancient people to believe because they knew the original version and the ancient people were calling BS on Peter. Peter had an explanation for the people. -- the people who where of the Gilgamesh line where there in history before , and after the mating of the angels and women, but they were not the ones that are the sons of god in the Genesis story that took the women as wives. Peter could not deny the existence of the Gilgamesh line of men (Gilgamesh was the son of god, and so his line was also sons of god). Ancient people believed the holy text regarding Gilgamesh. This was a difficult problem only because the hebrew text edited out Gilgamesh and the ancient people all knew it. Even the early Christians where aware as evidenced by the arguments and teachings of Peter.