Thank you for teaching these theologies in an objective way, discourse with the branches is in my opinion essential to our abrahamic theological tradition.
@@chiasmsandmorealpersohn5258 This is the confession prior to taking communion in the Divine Liturgy. We don't believe the Divine nature Nature Mixed nor do we believe One nature ate up the other. "Amen. Amen. Amen. I believe, I believe, I believe and confess to the last breath that this is the life-giving Flesh that Your only-begotten Son, our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, took from our Lady, the Lady of us all, the holy Theotokos, Saint Mary. He made It one with His divinity without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration. He confessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate. He gave It up for us upon the holy wood of the Cross, of His own will, for us all. Truly I believe that His divinity parted not from His humanity for a single moment, nor a twinkling of an eye; given for us for salvation, remission of sins, and eternal life to those who partake of Him. I believe, I believe, I believe that this is true. Amen."
Miaphysite and Diaphysite sound both correct to me! The Lord Jesus Christ is One Person (with 100% God nature), manifested in a human body (with 100% human nature, except without original sin), and the God nature and Human nature didn't conflict/contradict One another, Since the Lord Jesus Christ is God manifested as a man. Amen? God bless you📖❤️💯🔜🔚🆙
@@Teddy-ke6xh Hi there❤️ Well, i'm not a huge expert in these things, so any corrections would be pretty useful, feel free to share your opinion on this matter!
@@giuseppecatone7360 Miaphysite is the belief that Christ has One composite Nature Fully Divine and Fully Human. Diaphysite is the belief that it is TWO NATURES fully divine and Human. It’s a matter of how many natures there is after the hypostatic union. And they are very different to the point two Major Churches split over this at the council of Chalcedon and they haven’t reunited in over 1600 years.
@@Teddy-ke6xh Ahh, now i get it. Well then what i described in my first comment was the Diaphysite doctrine. Anyways God bless you my brother (or sister).
Sir, you have greatly misrepresented the Miaphysite position. The Council of Ephesus convened in 431 to condemn the heresy of the Archbishop Nestorius of Constantinople, who claimed that the two natures of Christ acted independently -- similar to your own beliefs. Led by St. Cyril of Alexandria, the council declared that Christ has One Incarnate Nature, a composite of both human and divine; without mixture, confusion or alteration. This more ancient view best harmonises with the first two councils. And since Christ has One Incarnate Nature, he has One Incarnate will and was not double-minded: His human desire was completely subject to His divine desire.
please make a correction on Miaphysite. you said in your definition “nor human nor God” that is wrong definition. the correct definition is He is Human and He is God at the same time. The Amharic word called ተዋሕዶ can give the best meaning that English language find it difficult to describe it. please refer below how we believe . ተዋሕዶ (Miaphysite) ተዋሕዶ የሚለው ቃል ከልሣነ ግእዝ የመነጨ ቃል ነው፡፡ ትርጒሙም “አንድ ሆኖ” ማለት ነው። በዚህ ትርጉም ውስጥ አንድ የሆኑት መለኮታዊና ሰብዓዊ ባሕርይ (መለኮትና ትስብዕት) ናቸው፡፡ በዚህም መሠረት የተዋሕዶ ትርጓሜ በአጭሩ “ወልድ ዋሕድ” የሚለው ነው፡፡ ክርስቶስ ሰው የሆነው ያለሚጠት (ያለመመለስ)፣ ያለ ውላጤ (ያለ መለወጥ)፣ ያለ ቱሳኤ (ያለ መቀላቀል)፣ ያለትድምርት (ያለ መደመር)፣ ያለ ቡዓዴ (ያለመለያየት)፣ ያለ ኅድረት (ያለ ማደር) ነው፡፡ ክርስቶስ ከሁለት ባሕርይ አንድ ባሕርይ፣ ከሁለት አካል አንድ አካል የሆነው በተዋህዶ ነው፡፡ ስለዚህ ተዋሕዶ የሚለው ቃል ክርስቶስ ሰው የሆነበትን ምስጢር የሚገልፅ ታላቅ ቃል ነው፡፡ ክርስቶስ ሰው የሆነው በ ተ ዋ ሕ ዶ ነው! Below is the translation, but I am not confident that it accurately conveys how an Amharic speaker understands the Amharic version compared to how you understand the English version. here is the translation “ Miaphysite The word Tewahedo is derived from Lishane Geez. The translation is "united". In this meaning, divine and human nature (divinity and humanity) are united. According to this, the definition of Wahado is, in short, "Son of One". Christ became a man without change, without conversion, without union, without addition, without separation, without staying. Christ is made of two natures, one nature, two bodies, one body. Therefore, the word Tewahdo is a great word that describes the mystery of Christ becoming a man. Christ became a man in heaven!”
Wow quite the misrepresentation of the miaphysite position. The miaphysite position, which is that of St. Cyril of Alexandria, is that Christ is one person who is fully God and fully man (not the "freak" you referred to, God forbid) but the distinction of which action can be attributed to which nature divides Christ, and thus can be done in theory alone. Thus for any action or saying of Christ, the Cyrillian formulation would be "God the incarnate Logos did this", and "God the incarnate Logos said that". Otherwise, salvation through the Cross is impossible.
Not only that Any comment with a link to resources that explain the teachings of St. Cyril of Alexanderia and the true beliefs of the Oriental Orthodox Church disappears mysteriously
This is a helpful video for my research into other religions. As in my religious texts (not like scripture but more like my religious journey) I've been looking at the world's religions starting from the far east & slowly heading west so that I end with larger religions like Christianity & Islam. As a protestant Pagan (Protestant in where i live basically means you believe in the UK monarchy & the union) this is helpful to work out the theology of christianity. As I don't want to just look at it like my school taught with their being Eastern Orthodox, Catholic & then the three main protestant ones the Methodists, Presbyterians & the Anglicans. Which leads to us missing the old believers an orthodox off shoot in Russia & the former USSR with a more traditional Russian orthodoxy with more mysticism & such in it. Missing the whole Lutheran & Calvinist church. The Hussites & other early protestants (Like protestants before Martin Luther) & the Coptic Church (Which follows a form of Miaphysitism), the early offshoots of Christianity & medieval heresies. Like I can understand not going into depth with them but some should've been mention especially the Calvinists or Reformed church as they're called now. Anyway thank you.
i am Born in Miaphyste church in India but now i consider myself an evangelical Bible believing Christian. not concerned with man made terms like Miaphysite or Chalcedonian,
A man made term can include absolutely anything. The problems at our councils were legitimate issues that addressed relevant issues to our Faith. You make a grave mistake of leaving something with at least some apostolic truth to the chaos and disorder of protestantism with its countless sects. I'd suggest for you to inquire into the Eastern Orthodox Church. You are not far from The Truth.
@@caudillohispanista8988 i still consider myself Monophysite Evangelical Bible believing Christian....i just dont consider it as main point of my faith or dispute with other Christians...what about you?
@@yakovmatityahu I am Coptic Orthodox, If you believe in Monophysite then that is a heresy and Not Christian. The Oriental Orthodox Church condemns monophysite heresy. Miaphysite is different from Monophysite. One is Orthodox and Apostolic the other heretical.
we as coptic church believe in miaiphysie but we also say that both natuers didn't change or mixed the two natures are united in one
Thank you for teaching these theologies in an objective way, discourse with the branches is in my opinion essential to our abrahamic theological tradition.
The Miaphysite position does not say the Natures mixed, that is false.
Ooo I could be wrong for sure ... can you further clarify?
@@chiasmsandmorealpersohn5258 This is the confession prior to taking communion in the Divine Liturgy. We don't believe the Divine nature Nature Mixed nor do we believe One nature ate up the other.
"Amen. Amen. Amen. I believe, I believe, I believe and confess to the last breath
that this is the life-giving Flesh that Your only-begotten Son, our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, took from our Lady, the Lady of us all, the holy Theotokos, Saint Mary.
He made It one with His divinity without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration.
He confessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate.
He gave It up for us upon the holy wood of the Cross, of His own will, for us all.
Truly I believe that His divinity parted not from His humanity for a single moment, nor a twinkling of an eye;
given for us for salvation, remission of sins, and eternal life to those who partake of Him.
I believe, I believe, I believe that this is true. Amen."
@DivineAegis02
Thanks for that, is that the Greek Orthodox or the Ancient Church of the East confession?
@@chiasmsandmorealpersohn5258 Coptic Orthodox.
@DivineAegis02 I have some further questions but will need to continue tomorrow
Miaiphysite is the correct one
Miaphysite and Diaphysite sound both correct to me! The Lord Jesus Christ is One Person (with 100% God nature), manifested in a human body (with 100% human nature, except without original sin), and the God nature and Human nature didn't conflict/contradict One another, Since the Lord Jesus Christ is God manifested as a man. Amen?
God bless you📖❤️💯🔜🔚🆙
@@giuseppecatone7360they’re very different
@@Teddy-ke6xh Hi there❤️ Well, i'm not a huge expert in these things, so any corrections would be pretty useful, feel free to share your opinion on this matter!
@@giuseppecatone7360 Miaphysite is the belief that Christ has One composite Nature Fully Divine and Fully Human. Diaphysite is the belief that it is TWO NATURES fully divine and Human. It’s a matter of how many natures there is after the hypostatic union. And they are very different to the point two Major Churches split over this at the council of Chalcedon and they haven’t reunited in over 1600 years.
@@Teddy-ke6xh Ahh, now i get it. Well then what i described in my first comment was the Diaphysite doctrine. Anyways God bless you my brother (or sister).
Sir, you have greatly misrepresented the Miaphysite position. The Council of Ephesus convened in 431 to condemn the heresy of the Archbishop Nestorius of Constantinople, who claimed that the two natures of Christ acted independently -- similar to your own beliefs. Led by St. Cyril of Alexandria, the council declared that Christ has One Incarnate Nature, a composite of both human and divine; without mixture, confusion or alteration. This more ancient view best harmonises with the first two councils. And since Christ has One Incarnate Nature, he has One Incarnate will and was not double-minded: His human desire was completely subject to His divine desire.
Council of Ephesus convened in 431 not 451. 451 was Chalcedon
@@meina0614 Thanks for catching that -- edited.
divinity anf humanity in one nature!!!!❤
please make a correction on Miaphysite. you said in your definition “nor human nor God” that is wrong definition. the correct definition is He is Human and He is God at the same time. The Amharic word called ተዋሕዶ can give the best meaning that English language find it difficult to describe it. please refer below how we believe . ተዋሕዶ (Miaphysite)
ተዋሕዶ የሚለው ቃል ከልሣነ ግእዝ የመነጨ ቃል ነው፡፡ ትርጒሙም “አንድ ሆኖ” ማለት ነው። በዚህ ትርጉም ውስጥ አንድ የሆኑት መለኮታዊና ሰብዓዊ ባሕርይ (መለኮትና ትስብዕት) ናቸው፡፡ በዚህም መሠረት የተዋሕዶ ትርጓሜ በአጭሩ “ወልድ ዋሕድ” የሚለው ነው፡፡ ክርስቶስ ሰው የሆነው ያለሚጠት (ያለመመለስ)፣ ያለ ውላጤ (ያለ መለወጥ)፣ ያለ ቱሳኤ (ያለ መቀላቀል)፣ ያለትድምርት (ያለ መደመር)፣ ያለ ቡዓዴ (ያለመለያየት)፣ ያለ ኅድረት (ያለ ማደር) ነው፡፡ ክርስቶስ ከሁለት ባሕርይ አንድ ባሕርይ፣ ከሁለት አካል አንድ አካል የሆነው በተዋህዶ ነው፡፡ ስለዚህ ተዋሕዶ የሚለው ቃል ክርስቶስ ሰው የሆነበትን ምስጢር የሚገልፅ ታላቅ ቃል ነው፡፡ ክርስቶስ ሰው የሆነው በ ተ ዋ ሕ ዶ ነው! Below is the translation, but I am not confident that it accurately conveys how an Amharic speaker understands the Amharic version compared to how you understand the English version. here is the translation “ Miaphysite
The word Tewahedo is derived from Lishane Geez. The translation is "united". In this meaning, divine and human nature (divinity and humanity) are united. According to this, the definition of Wahado is, in short, "Son of One". Christ became a man without change, without conversion, without union, without addition, without separation, without staying. Christ is made of two natures, one nature, two bodies, one body. Therefore, the word Tewahdo is a great word that describes the mystery of Christ becoming a man. Christ became a man in heaven!”
Ethiopian Orthodox faith sermon on Jesus the right and truth also believed on miaphysite
Wow quite the misrepresentation of the miaphysite position. The miaphysite position, which is that of St. Cyril of Alexandria, is that Christ is one person who is fully God and fully man (not the "freak" you referred to, God forbid) but the distinction of which action can be attributed to which nature divides Christ, and thus can be done in theory alone. Thus for any action or saying of Christ, the Cyrillian formulation would be "God the incarnate Logos did this", and "God the incarnate Logos said that". Otherwise, salvation through the Cross is impossible.
Not only that
Any comment with a link to resources that explain the teachings of St. Cyril of Alexanderia and the true beliefs of the Oriental Orthodox Church disappears mysteriously
This is a helpful video for my research into other religions. As in my religious texts (not like scripture but more like my religious journey) I've been looking at the world's religions starting from the far east & slowly heading west so that I end with larger religions like Christianity & Islam. As a protestant Pagan (Protestant in where i live basically means you believe in the UK monarchy & the union) this is helpful to work out the theology of christianity. As I don't want to just look at it like my school taught with their being Eastern Orthodox, Catholic & then the three main protestant ones the Methodists, Presbyterians & the Anglicans. Which leads to us missing the old believers an orthodox off shoot in Russia & the former USSR with a more traditional Russian orthodoxy with more mysticism & such in it. Missing the whole Lutheran & Calvinist church. The Hussites & other early protestants (Like protestants before Martin Luther) & the Coptic Church (Which follows a form of Miaphysitism), the early offshoots of Christianity & medieval heresies. Like I can understand not going into depth with them but some should've been mention especially the Calvinists or Reformed church as they're called now. Anyway thank you.
You are wrong about Miaphysite. This has something to do with the Oriental Orthodox Churches.Christ is of two natures without confusion and mixture.
i am Born in Miaphyste church in India but now i consider myself an evangelical Bible believing Christian. not concerned with man made terms like Miaphysite or Chalcedonian,
Thanks for that Yakov, yes you make a good point it is easy to get bogged down with various terms
A man made term can include absolutely anything. The problems at our councils were legitimate issues that addressed relevant issues to our Faith.
You make a grave mistake of leaving something with at least some apostolic truth to the chaos and disorder of protestantism with its countless sects.
I'd suggest for you to inquire into the Eastern Orthodox Church. You are not far from The Truth.
@@caudillohispanista8988 i still consider myself Monophysite Evangelical Bible believing Christian....i just dont consider it as main point of my faith or dispute with other Christians...what about you?
@@yakovmatityahu I am Coptic Orthodox, If you believe in Monophysite then that is a heresy and Not Christian. The Oriental Orthodox Church condemns monophysite heresy. Miaphysite is different from Monophysite. One is Orthodox and Apostolic the other heretical.
You are completely wrong because miaphysite couldn't be accepted the chalcedon council