Some theologians protested the Panchamamma Incan idols worship at Vatican Amazon Synod OCTOBER 2019......nothing was done, Panchamamma Incan idols were not condemned
Our bishop just tried sweeping that immoral act of idolatry by a pope with the Pachamama and trinkets undue the rug. Bishops are dependent if government $$$ and fear that th dictator pope will “cancel” them if they fare speak Truth,
Is Pachamama specifically Incan or is it also Mayan? The reason I ask is because I thought it was just a South American pagan idol… I actually watched some series on Amazon prime, called the most dangerous ways to school about children who walk dangerous routes to their schooling and one of these things. Also had somebody doing some kind of weird sacrifice to PachaMama and I was like yeah I’m gonna watch something else. I think it was in South America but I don’t think they were Mayans or Incan descendants. I think they were just south Americans that worshipped the pagan idols. May have even lived in the Amazon river region
Your recommendations will never happen because they are all complacent and agree he was elected.Your explanation is reality but apparently our bishops and cardinals live on a different planet.
There was definitely a problem with conclave, I knew, I felt it, I can't help but to think Jesus told me, to keep my eyes open! Thank you My Lord and my God!!!!🎉❤
@EasternChristian333 There was certainly some things gravely wrong with the Conclave of 2013. The violations against Dominici Gregis of St. John Paul ll which were heaven powerful, were the worst violations. One violation excommunicated Jorge Mario Bergoglio before the Conclave of 2013, he well knew it but could care less about ChurchLaw. The second violation, that of colluding in a Conclave, made the Conclave de facto invalid. So no Pope was elected. Now you go to confession for falsley judging your neighbor, BronxCat. Millions of faithful Catholics around the world experienced this same phenomena. I am grateful to God for the warning He gave us.
BronxCat. I wish a book be written with the testimony of millions of Faithful Catholics concerning the Phenomena we experienced at the announcement of the false election of Bergoglio. God the Holy Ghost spoke to us loud and clear with this supernatural experience.
But that's the whole problem...who is going to declare Benedict didn't resign? And there are a LOT of people who do not agree that BXVI did resign, so if Cardinals aren't even going to call Francis out on his many and obvious heresies, who will declare that he was never the pope in the first place?
If laity doesn't say it, the middle management, I mean bishops and cardinals, or do I, won't. There aren't enough of us saying it aloud in front of each other.
It has been said so many times: Francis IS the Pope. Let us assume your argument is valid, it will not take effect because we lack the competent person, the true judge, to state it... Or do we: isn't Our Lord the true judge? We will just have to wait for him and as we know, he never hurries. Dr Ashenden thinks Francis is the true Pope but he is a betrayer. 💔
@@susannestorm9705 so, he's pope because people sat he is, and we ignore those like Vigano who say he is something else. You are picking the wrong experts to trust. But as you are willing to assume his argument is valid, how is your response to it not just going along with the world to get along with the world? We stand with Truth, not worldly authority or the popular opinion. Francis' conclave was not valid. The leadership is corrupted and compromised that they not only won't admit it but the wanted this-- they voted for him, the impeded Benedict, they threw out alter rails & statues for a "new advent" because they didn't like the only Advent.
@@loulasher You're right loulasher, the vast vast majority of the laity love Francis and believe he is the true Pope, which he is. If the minority don't like the fact that Francis is Pope, then they should become Orthodox or Anglo-Catholic. Better luck with the Holy Spirit in the next election.
@@roddumlauf9241 you make it sound like a democracy. I doubt the world would be shaken up by a slogan like "Christ is prime minister, at least until the next election." You realize you are on the team that signed the abu dhabi declaration. Abu dhabi is especially interesting, because the host country has another major city: dubai. Dubai is like a literal sin-city for the rich and a hell on earth for the poor who keep it running.
Problem is, the cardinals and bishops are equally off the scale in holiness, corrupt and heretical. And a good number of them elected him. Then Francis added his own boys. Or how m,any can you list that have come to our good attention recently of the 5250 (bishops and cardinals)? Five, Ten?
At least someone in authority has to call out this fact and call for investigation. The problem is we the liaty and hierarchy alike are too cowardice and effeminate to call this out. Abp Vigano tried to raise this question, and look what happened, he got cancelled by the people who call themselves traditional Catholic.
I appreciate what Abp Vigano did. He only got "cancelled" because not enough people have the guts to do what he did even though I think many bishops agree with him. It should be much easier for lay people to speak the obvious truth, so why not do it?
There is something called “the normative force of facts” - it’s a tongue in cheek description of how a factual development can be so powerful that the best legal arguments will be moot in the face of such developments- I think this is what we are dealing with here - nobody will be willing to actively pursue your argument bc it would be politically impossible to get a majority to support it - that said, your argument is spot on
Not only did Benedict not resign, but even if he did resign, Bergoglio had performed “interfaith Masses” as archbishop of Buenos Aires that automatically excommunicated him, and as far as I know he wasn’t restored to full communion since then… which makes his election invalid. And then there’s the St. Gallen Mafia’s factionalist campaigning in the last papal conclave. There’s a papal document that makes factionalism in papal conclaves render their elections invalid; unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of the document, and my attempts to identify it failed. Nonetheless, Bergoglio’s election is invalid also because of that. Three strikes against Bergoglio. It’s time for him to be out.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked
The Pope did not loose the position, he was not chosen by The Boss. If he is not removed he will not only cause a schism but intensify the exodus of the faithful. Look what happened to Ireland, deep faith to secular in 9 years due to the behaviour of their clergy. Dear Lord I pray for your faithful servants to have the strength they need to do your will, and protect your church and your faithful. 🙏❤💪✝
Faithful young seminarians are driven out before they can become priests and it's been going on for decades. Removing Francis will not solve ANYTHING when he is surrounded by those just like him or worse.
You're not wrong, which is why I tend to think that once Francis is removed all his Cardinal appointments need to be rescinded as well and do a thorough housecleaning. But I haven't worked through in mind all the details on that. It's not easy when you allow an Antipope to occupy Peter's Chair with no repercussions whatsoever for 10 years out of cowardice and effeminacy.
The whole thing is confusing to me. Pope Benedict acted as though he did resign both his ministry and the office of pope. However, I also think that Pope Francis was not legally elected due to the lobbying and vote casvasssing actions which took place in violation of the papal decree during the conclave. There were very clear violations of the election decree promulgated in 1996 under Pope John Paul II which prohibited the lobbying and canvassing which we have heard took place.
This has been beaten to death about Bergoglio not being the pope ,and I don’t disagree , but the problem is the majority of the clergy don’t care ,and won’t do anything about it
At this point and since 2018 I completely agree with your position that Bergoglio has never been the Pope because Pope Benedict XVI never validity resigned. But then how can a genuine Pope do what Benedict did to the Church? How can Benedict's view of the Papal office be so flawed? This all goes back to the clear errors put in force during and after Vatican II. How could any genuine Popes allow what transpired during and after that council? I'm seriously considering agreeing with the position of the 1958 Sedeprivationists.
I agree with you, Esquire. But the problem is that our position on invalidity of Bergoglio's election is just an opinion which needs to be proven. While proving he's a heretic is easier. Anyway, this or other petition will have no practical effect, so the discussion is unfortunately purely theoretical.
This is my view too. Benedict can't give up the papacy whatever he thought about it. Francis was never validly the Pope. And we are now without a pope since Benedict died. We'll have a valid Pope again with the next conclave.
@@andysoshalski9761 We have to hope that the HOLY SPIRIT, not the zeitgeist will make it clearly apparent what is His will. The will of Almighty God can and will ultimately prevail.
I do not agree with this variation of Benevacantist hypothesis. The reason is that there isn’t a separation between Petrine office and its duties. Or in other words, one can not resign duties of office and keep the office at the same time. You can not eat your cake and continue to have it, too!😂😂😂
That's besides the point in my opinion, He resigned, it's just another word for saying the same thing. The problem today is that this Pope has stopped preaching the Gospel for the "current thing". That's why he should be removed.
Does it matter if everyone just treats him as the Pope? Because that's what they've done for over a decade. Can he become a "common law" Pope....like a common law marriage just because they've been living as if they're married? Because that's what the Vatican & most Catholics have done.
Traditional Orthodox Churches , both laity and clergy do not believe Catholics are validly baptized, nor do they have a valid priesthood or other valid sacraments. They believe catholics are schismatics and heretics. This mutual hatred and rejection between orthodox and Catholics is a sign that christianity is a false religion and a complete scandalous rejection of the one said, “ Love one another!” Clouds of incense, fancy liturgical vestments , and lots of candles, and chanting justifies no one!
Until the Clergy as a group speaks publicly on this, while this may be true, it is what it is. Majority recognize Francis as Pope so.... I don't pay any attention to anything he says and just follow the faith as it has always been practiced. Above my pay grade and state in life to worry about.
So why didn't Benedict spell it out? His silence was acceptance, unless you contend that he was prevented from speaking, which you will have to show. Otherwise, Benedict accepted that Francis was Pope.
Even if this were correct, there is nothing laity can do. I suspect this or similar line of reasoning will lead the SSPX to one day declare their own pope as other breakaway groups have.
I don't think it is a matter that the signers do not understand that Pope Francis may not actually be Pope. I think that, whether or not Francis was elected Pope, he holds the office. And they acknowledge, not that he was validly elected, just that he holds a title and office , a pretender to the throne as it may be. Following your logic, they should never have written the letter because Francis is not the Pope, therefore he can neither resign nor be deposed. Unfortunately silence also equals consent. If Francis is not the Pope then all of the priests he has raised to Bishops are invalid, all of the priests named by those Bishops are invalid, all of the sacraments performed by those priests are invalid. And either those who have died with mortal sin on their souls because their confession or marital or last right sacraments are in hell for all eternity or they are not. If they are , that is unjust and since our Lord is perfectly just, that would not happen. But if they are not, then in absence of valid sacraments, heaven is still obtainable but that brings us to a discussion that I don't think anyone is prepared to undertake, that if you reasonably think you are in a state of grace, you are. Both scenarios are difficult to work through. And I think this is what the signers are trying to avoid. The letter serves a secondary purpose. It lays out in black letter law the crimes of Pope Francis. We know Francis will not resign, so it falls to the Bishops and Cardinals. If they do not act, they are complicit, and the letter acts as evidence of their crimes as well.
Not saying they should not have written the letter. What I am saying is that acknowledging he is or was (the letter speaks both in the present and past re: his papal status BTW which is confusing) the Pope just adds an unnecessary layer of confusion and contradiction on top of the scandal of having a man who claims to be the Pope preach heresy on a daily basis for over 10 years. The Church has ways of dealing with the actions of antipope but until the root of the problem is identified and called out, the letter just compounds the problem. Having said that, I did appreciate the list and summary of crimes and heresies. People need to see that.
@catholicesquire I understand that, I simply disagree. "Reasonable minds can disagree" And there will be plenty of people, particularly in Norvus Ordo parishes who disagree and will call any one who says he is not the Pope a schismatic or a heretic. So they short circuit that argument. It is much more difficult to argue with black letter law laid out against the evidence of his words and deeds
If we are covering a discontinuity in the papesy, then the place to go is the end of the first papesy, St Peter. He appointed his succeser. The problem is that his successer was martered the same day. Peter received the direct authority from Christ! With the voide the 4maining apostles elected among themselves a replacement. But that is not valid for a monarchy. The further carry of the good news is then disparate group of individuals. Hence a host of popes and multiple popes etc. Then also Christ's words and deeds. He cures a Roman Centurion's middle aged pretty boy slave. The Roman solder trys to pull a Radar O'Rielly on the holy man having Him send a subornate to cure his slave. That person xannot cancel the order. When the Roman Centurion finds his slave was cured at the very hour he was talkrng to the holy wizard he returns fo give profound thanks. Christ first turns to His followers and declares that the time He has been doing this work He has never received such thanks. "And he a heathen". He then turns go the Centurion who's day job is fighting Cesar's wars and informs him that his faith hascsaved him. He is promised paradise, with his pretty boy slave. This one event illuminates what Christ seeks to accomplish.
I strongly believe that Pope Francis is a valid pope of the Holy Catholic Church or simply the Roman Catholic Church. So I keep praying for him that he will be faithful to Christ and to His Church.
We are splitting hairs here. Pope Benedict did resign. I don't think he made it correctly. It may have happened without him freely making this horrible decision. When inaugurated, he said so much as he was afraid he would not be able to stand up to the wolves all around him. That was a bad omen already. Pope Frances is the Pope now, even if it was somewhat iffy back then. Pray for the Church. All popes die in the end as all administrations decline and wither. Jesus is King.
What to do about the problem of lack of understanding the authority of the magisterium and the lack of obedience thereto... that's what you should be asking.. if you really are Catholic and not occult enemies of the church.
This entire channel is directed toward addressing the curse of Modernism that has infected the Church, which by definition is lack of understanding of the authority of the magisterium.
@@catholicesquire If so, that's great.. I've heard homilies by priests who seemed embarrassed about proclaiming the Virgin Birth and Resurrection as factual claims.. That I would call "accursed modernism".. and we should denounce that. but we have to think about what's central before slamming the Pope over use of Latin or details of marriage discipline.. those are not central doctrines.. Church unity at the world and local levels will be more and more important, cause this world ain't gonna be getting any better. I think the day may come that we'll have to live in enclaves like the Amish do, and really can't afford unneeded divisiveness.
Who are you to judge others? Only Jesus knows what is right and what is right because is the head of the catholic church. But Our Lord Jesus He prayed for the church so that our faith will not fail, Jesus is always with us in the HOLY EUCHARIST. Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus pray for His church. "Simon Simon, behold, satan demanded to have you that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren". Mathew 12:35-36-37 - Jesus warned for all Catholics "the good man out of his good treasure bring forth good and the evil man out of his evil treasure bring forth evil. I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter for by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned".
Be careful of what you say. You are in no position to start telling other people. What do you think? Pope Francis has done nothing wrong, yes there are things that he is speaking of and which I thoroughly agree with. There are so many people like you wagging your tongues bishops and archbishops in high places. In the Vatican it is Pope Francis who will make the decisions not you not them. Pope Francis is a very good Pope . If the Catholic Church does not change, it will simply fade away. Do you want that to happen? I certainly don’t know and for one thing the big the big question what Francis has said about Jesus dying on the cross and being a failure is not meant in any other way then mankind is a failure for not recognising Jesus dying on the cross for them. Can you imagine the pain that Jesus went through for the sins of man can you imagine the pain of God the Father, seeing his only son treated like an animal. Wake up, Pope Francis did not mean that Jesus had failed. He is of the opinion that mankind has failed for not seeing what Jesus did in dying on the cross for us and for heaven sake, just leave. Pope Francis out of your silly misleading. stories Pope Francis is a very good man and I believe our bestPope for a long, long time
I think Pope Francis is doing a top job..he is like Jesus and the old guard keep trying to discourage him and be rid of him.They would crucify him if it were legal(fig. speaking)
Thank you . From Ireland ☘️
Agree totally, but the problem is not just Bergoglio, it's the majority of the Bishops who seem to ignore this solution!
Some theologians protested the Panchamamma Incan idols worship at Vatican Amazon Synod OCTOBER 2019......nothing was done, Panchamamma Incan idols were not condemned
Our bishop just tried sweeping that immoral act of idolatry by a pope with the Pachamama and trinkets undue the rug. Bishops are dependent if government $$$ and fear that th dictator pope will “cancel” them if they fare speak Truth,
Is Pachamama specifically Incan or is it also Mayan? The reason I ask is because I thought it was just a South American pagan idol… I actually watched some series on Amazon prime, called the most dangerous ways to school about children who walk dangerous routes to their schooling and one of these things. Also had somebody doing some kind of weird sacrifice to PachaMama and I was like yeah I’m gonna watch something else. I think it was in South America but I don’t think they were Mayans or Incan descendants. I think they were just south Americans that worshipped the pagan idols. May have even lived in the Amazon river region
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan , as far as I know, it's an Amazonian idol.
Thank you for explaining! I never felt right when Francis came out on the Balcony in 2013. I knew domething wasn't right.
Yup, even the birds knew it!
Me too.
I think it was when he waved, rather than make the sign of the Cross and bless his new flock!
And when he was on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine two weeks later!
Feelings mean nothing. Are you Protestant?
Your recommendations will never happen because they are all complacent and agree he was elected.Your explanation is reality but apparently our bishops and cardinals live on a different planet.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
Upton Sinclair
Your correct.
Something UNGODLY!
Or maybe you do and he was validly elected Jair like Dogmsric teaching maintains. .
Or when his pride makes him think he is Pope instead of the actual Pope reigning as we speak.
You are correct. He was never pope in the first place. If he had been, this petition could have been “Plan B.”
He is the Roman pontiff. All Roman pontiffs are popes. They all have authority over the Church from Christ.
On what authority can you make that judgement, are you Proteatant like Esquire?
@@anthonypuccetti8779 no he is not
@@notyou9743 Yes he is. He succeeded to the chair of Peter and is the bishop of Rome.
There was definitely a problem with conclave, I knew, I felt it, I can't help but to think Jesus told me, to keep my eyes open! Thank you My Lord and my God!!!!🎉❤
@EasternChristian333 There was certainly some things gravely wrong with the Conclave of 2013. The violations against Dominici Gregis of St. John Paul ll which were heaven powerful, were the worst violations. One violation excommunicated Jorge Mario Bergoglio before the Conclave of 2013, he well knew it but could care less about ChurchLaw. The second violation, that of colluding in a Conclave, made the Conclave de facto invalid. So no Pope was elected. Now you go to confession for falsley judging your neighbor, BronxCat. Millions of faithful Catholics around the world experienced this same phenomena. I am grateful to God for the warning He gave us.
BronxCat. I wish a book be written with the testimony of millions of Faithful Catholics concerning the Phenomena we experienced at the announcement of the false election of Bergoglio. God the Holy Ghost spoke to us loud and clear with this supernatural experience.
But that's the whole problem...who is going to declare Benedict didn't resign? And there are a LOT of people who do not agree that BXVI did resign, so if Cardinals aren't even going to call Francis out on his many and obvious heresies, who will declare that he was never the pope in the first place?
If laity doesn't say it, the middle management, I mean bishops and cardinals, or do I, won't. There aren't enough of us saying it aloud in front of each other.
It has been said so many times: Francis IS the Pope. Let us assume your argument is valid, it will not take effect because we lack the competent person, the true judge, to state it... Or do we: isn't Our Lord the true judge? We will just have to wait for him and as we know, he never hurries. Dr Ashenden thinks Francis is the true Pope but he is a betrayer. 💔
@@susannestorm9705 so, he's pope because people sat he is, and we ignore those like Vigano who say he is something else. You are picking the wrong experts to trust.
But as you are willing to assume his argument is valid, how is your response to it not just going along with the world to get along with the world? We stand with Truth, not worldly authority or the popular opinion.
Francis' conclave was not valid. The leadership is corrupted and compromised that they not only won't admit it but the wanted this-- they voted for him, the impeded Benedict, they threw out alter rails & statues for a "new advent" because they didn't like the only Advent.
@@loulasher You're right loulasher, the vast vast majority of the laity love Francis and believe he is the true Pope, which he is. If the minority don't like the fact that Francis is Pope, then they should become Orthodox or Anglo-Catholic. Better luck with the Holy Spirit in the next election.
@@roddumlauf9241 you make it sound like a democracy. I doubt the world would be shaken up by a slogan like "Christ is prime minister, at least until the next election." You realize you are on the team that signed the abu dhabi declaration.
Abu dhabi is especially interesting, because the host country has another major city: dubai. Dubai is like a literal sin-city for the rich and a hell on earth for the poor who keep it running.
Yes, Jeremiah Alphonsus has always maintained that Bergoglio was NEVER pope at all.
Whether he is pope or not he has the position. Biden isn't the president but he has the seat.
@@poetmaggie1 Yes, the SIMILARITY between Byden & that Argentine A$S is that BOTH are BIG EMBARRASSMENTS!
FRANCIS NEVER WAS POPE! CORRECT! THANKU
He is the Roman pontiff. All Roman pontiffs are popes. They all have authority over the Church from Christ.
Thank you for your courage of speaking the truth.
Problem is, the cardinals and bishops are equally off the scale in holiness, corrupt and heretical. And a good number of them elected him. Then Francis added his own boys. Or how m,any can you list that have come to our good attention recently of the 5250 (bishops and cardinals)? Five, Ten?
At least someone in authority has to call out this fact and call for investigation. The problem is we the liaty and hierarchy alike are too cowardice and effeminate to call this out. Abp Vigano tried to raise this question, and look what happened, he got cancelled by the people who call themselves traditional Catholic.
I appreciate what Abp Vigano did. He only got "cancelled" because not enough people have the guts to do what he did even though I think many bishops agree with him. It should be much easier for lay people to speak the obvious truth, so why not do it?
Excellent
There is something called “the normative force of facts” - it’s a tongue in cheek description of how a factual development can be so powerful that the best legal arguments will be moot in the face of such developments- I think this is what we are dealing with here - nobody will be willing to actively pursue your argument bc it would be politically impossible to get a majority to support it - that said, your argument is spot on
You hit the nail on the head. This has been endorsed for several years by Fr. James Altman in USA and Don Alessandro Minutella in Italy.
Great points, CE!! Thanks for presenting them so clearly.
Not only did Benedict not resign, but even if he did resign, Bergoglio had performed “interfaith Masses” as archbishop of Buenos Aires that automatically excommunicated him, and as far as I know he wasn’t restored to full communion since then… which makes his election invalid.
And then there’s the St. Gallen Mafia’s factionalist campaigning in the last papal conclave. There’s a papal document that makes factionalism in papal conclaves render their elections invalid; unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of the document, and my attempts to identify it failed. Nonetheless, Bergoglio’s election is invalid also because of that.
Three strikes against Bergoglio. It’s time for him to be out.
The reason people are not going the obvious route you and many of us point out is because they do not want to be cancelled by Catholic inc.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked
Novus Ordo RCC trads FSSP ICKSP.... Popesplainers will go on and on.
Needs to be removed
The Pope did not loose the position, he was not chosen by The Boss. If he is not removed he will not only cause a schism but intensify the exodus of the faithful. Look what happened to Ireland, deep faith to secular in 9 years due to the behaviour of their clergy. Dear Lord I pray for your faithful servants to have the strength they need to do your will, and protect your church and your faithful. 🙏❤💪✝
Void ab initio. Solid point. I'm extremely disappointed with how Cardinal Burke has handled Francis from the beginning.
FSSP ICKSP et al..... POPESPLAINERS
Yep
Faithful young seminarians are driven out before they can become priests and it's been going on for decades. Removing Francis will not solve ANYTHING when he is surrounded by those just like him or worse.
You're not wrong, which is why I tend to think that once Francis is removed all his Cardinal appointments need to be rescinded as well and do a thorough housecleaning. But I haven't worked through in mind all the details on that. It's not easy when you allow an Antipope to occupy Peter's Chair with no repercussions whatsoever for 10 years out of cowardice and effeminacy.
Diabolical disorientation.
Fingers crossed we have an orthodox general council to condemn the errors. Wouldn't say no to another Cadaver Synod either.
If it is so simple, why do so many wise and theologically educated people not understand it so logically?
That Francis is the Pope? It's very clear he is.
You are much more concise than Miss A. B.
Thanks for being a voice of sanity.
Thank you for making it clear!
The whole thing is confusing to me. Pope Benedict acted as though he did resign both his ministry and the office of pope. However, I also think that Pope Francis was not legally elected due to the lobbying and vote casvasssing actions which took place in violation of the papal decree during the conclave. There were very clear violations of the election decree promulgated in 1996 under Pope John Paul II which prohibited the lobbying and canvassing which we have heard took place.
Wow. Good reasoning. Great argument. Seems straightforward. Irrefutable logic. That's it.
This has been beaten to death about Bergoglio not being the pope ,and I don’t disagree , but the problem is the majority of the clergy don’t care ,and won’t do anything about it
I absolutely love, love, love it! It's about time!!!!!!!
Pope BXVI didn't resign the Munus and was still the Pope and he had his reasons for doing so and this information is online.
At this point and since 2018 I completely agree with your position that Bergoglio has never been the Pope because Pope Benedict XVI never validity resigned. But then how can a genuine Pope do what Benedict did to the Church? How can Benedict's view of the Papal office be so flawed? This all goes back to the clear errors put in force during and after Vatican II. How could any genuine Popes allow what transpired during and after that council? I'm seriously considering agreeing with the position of the 1958 Sedeprivationists.
Let him go! He cannot be above the Word of God.
So how can the laity kick Bergoglio out. He’s still there
The college of cardinalsmalreqdy universally and peacefully accepted his election at that point he was pope.
I just heard Robert Monyihan discussing this yesterday. Had a guest named Matthew G. ?
I agree with you, Esquire. But the problem is that our position on invalidity of Bergoglio's election is just an opinion which needs to be proven. While proving he's a heretic is easier. Anyway, this or other petition will have no practical effect, so the discussion is unfortunately purely theoretical.
Canon law proves that pope Benedict 16 did not resign legally
This is my view too. Benedict can't give up the papacy whatever he thought about it. Francis was never validly the Pope. And we are now without a pope since Benedict died. We'll have a valid Pope again with the next conclave.
How will it happen if over 60 % of the Cardinals were appointed by Bergoglio, thus they are most likely not Cardinals at all?
@@andysoshalski9761 We have to hope that the HOLY SPIRIT, not the zeitgeist will make it clearly apparent what is His will. The will of Almighty God can and will ultimately prevail.
I do not agree with this variation of Benevacantist hypothesis. The reason is that there isn’t a separation between Petrine office and its duties. Or in other words, one can not resign duties of office and keep the office at the same time. You can not eat your cake and continue to have it, too!😂😂😂
That's besides the point in my opinion, He resigned, it's just another word for saying the same thing. The problem today is that this Pope has stopped preaching the Gospel for the "current thing". That's why he should be removed.
Unfortunately, there's no way he can be removed.
He’s not the pope
Does it matter if everyone just treats him as the Pope? Because that's what they've done for over a decade. Can he become a "common law" Pope....like a common law marriage just because they've been living as if they're married? Because that's what the Vatican & most Catholics have done.
I would appreciate knowing your identity and credentials…where can I learn more about Catholic Esquire? Thank you.
Why do you need to know?
what do you traditionalist Catholics think of the Eastern Orthodox?
Heretical and schismatics
Love them. The true trads.
Traditional Orthodox Churches , both laity and clergy do not believe Catholics are validly baptized, nor do they have a valid priesthood or other valid sacraments. They believe catholics are schismatics and heretics. This mutual hatred and rejection between orthodox and Catholics is a sign that christianity is a false religion and a complete scandalous rejection of the one said, “ Love one another!” Clouds of incense, fancy liturgical vestments , and lots of candles, and chanting justifies no one!
The Orthodox have their problems too, they just don't get the publicity like the Catholic Church.
The Orthodox have their problems, too. Human nature is the same, regardless of their beliefs.
Until the Clergy as a group speaks publicly on this, while this may be true, it is what it is.
Majority recognize Francis as Pope so....
I don't pay any attention to anything he says and just follow the faith as it has always been practiced.
Above my pay grade and state in life to worry about.
So why didn't Benedict spell it out? His silence was acceptance, unless you contend that he was prevented from speaking, which you will have to show. Otherwise, Benedict accepted that Francis was Pope.
Good question
Even if this were correct, there is nothing laity can do. I suspect this or similar line of reasoning will lead the SSPX to one day declare their own pope as other breakaway groups have.
I don't think it is a matter that the signers do not understand that Pope Francis may not actually be Pope. I think that, whether or not Francis was elected Pope, he holds the office. And they acknowledge, not that he was validly elected, just that he holds a title and office , a pretender to the throne as it may be. Following your logic, they should never have written the letter because Francis is not the Pope, therefore he can neither resign nor be deposed. Unfortunately silence also equals consent.
If Francis is not the Pope then all of the priests he has raised to Bishops are invalid, all of the priests named by those Bishops are invalid, all of the sacraments performed by those priests are invalid. And either those who have died with mortal sin on their souls because their confession or marital or last right sacraments are in hell for all eternity or they are not.
If they are , that is unjust and since our Lord is perfectly just, that would not happen. But if they are not, then in absence of valid sacraments, heaven is still obtainable but that brings us to a discussion that I don't think anyone is prepared to undertake, that if you reasonably think you are in a state of grace, you are.
Both scenarios are difficult to work through.
And I think this is what the signers are trying to avoid. The letter serves a secondary purpose. It lays out in black letter law the crimes of Pope Francis. We know Francis will not resign, so it falls to the Bishops and Cardinals. If they do not act, they are complicit, and the letter acts as evidence of their crimes as well.
Yep
If PF is not even the pope of the Novus Ordo church, I think we end up with more problems.
Not saying they should not have written the letter. What I am saying is that acknowledging he is or was (the letter speaks both in the present and past re: his papal status BTW which is confusing) the Pope just adds an unnecessary layer of confusion and contradiction on top of the scandal of having a man who claims to be the Pope preach heresy on a daily basis for over 10 years. The Church has ways of dealing with the actions of antipope but until the root of the problem is identified and called out, the letter just compounds the problem. Having said that, I did appreciate the list and summary of crimes and heresies. People need to see that.
@catholicesquire I understand that, I simply disagree.
"Reasonable minds can disagree"
And there will be plenty of people, particularly in Norvus Ordo parishes who disagree and will call any one who says he is not the Pope a schismatic or a heretic.
So they short circuit that argument. It is much more difficult to argue with black letter law laid out against the evidence of his words and deeds
For Benedict to do what he did to the Church he is burning in hell at the moment. And who will elect the next pope as most cardinals are now illicit.
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You're in communion with Francis.
If we are covering a discontinuity in the papesy, then the place to go is the end of the first papesy, St Peter. He appointed his succeser. The problem is that his successer was martered the same day. Peter received the direct authority from Christ! With the voide the 4maining apostles elected among themselves a replacement. But that is not valid for a monarchy. The further carry of the good news is then disparate group of individuals. Hence a host of popes and multiple popes etc.
Then also Christ's words and deeds. He cures a Roman Centurion's middle aged pretty boy slave. The Roman solder trys to pull a Radar O'Rielly on the holy man having Him send a subornate to cure his slave. That person xannot cancel the order. When the Roman Centurion finds his slave was cured at the very hour he was talkrng to the holy wizard he returns fo give profound thanks. Christ first turns to His followers and declares that the time He has been doing this work He has never received such thanks. "And he a heathen". He then turns go the Centurion who's day job is fighting Cesar's wars and informs him that his faith hascsaved him. He is promised paradise, with his pretty boy slave. This one event illuminates what Christ seeks to accomplish.
7:32 is that the 1917 Canon Law or the 1983 one?
1983
I strongly believe that Pope Francis is a valid pope of the Holy Catholic Church or simply the Roman Catholic Church. So I keep praying for him that he will be faithful to Christ and to His Church.
We are splitting hairs here. Pope Benedict did resign. I don't think he made it correctly. It may have happened without him freely making this horrible decision. When inaugurated, he said so much as he was afraid he would not be able to stand up to the wolves all around him. That was a bad omen already. Pope Frances is the Pope now, even if it was somewhat iffy back then. Pray for the Church. All popes die in the end as all administrations decline and wither. Jesus is King.
What to do about the problem of lack of understanding the authority of the magisterium and the lack of obedience thereto... that's what you should be asking.. if you really are Catholic and not occult enemies of the church.
What are you talking about?
This entire channel is directed toward addressing the curse of Modernism that has infected the Church, which by definition is lack of understanding of the authority of the magisterium.
@@catholicesquire If so, that's great.. I've heard homilies by priests who seemed embarrassed about proclaiming the Virgin Birth and Resurrection as factual claims.. That I would call "accursed modernism".. and we should denounce that. but we have to think about what's central before slamming the Pope over use of Latin or details of marriage discipline.. those are not central doctrines.. Church unity at the world and local levels will be more and more important, cause this world ain't gonna be getting any better. I think the day may come that we'll have to live in enclaves like the Amish do, and really can't afford unneeded divisiveness.
Who are you to judge others? Only Jesus knows what is right and what is right because is the head of the catholic church. But Our Lord Jesus He prayed for the church so that our faith will not fail, Jesus is always with us in the HOLY EUCHARIST.
Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus pray for His church. "Simon Simon, behold, satan demanded to have you that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren".
Mathew 12:35-36-37 - Jesus warned for all Catholics "the good man out of his good treasure bring forth good and the evil man out of his evil treasure bring forth evil. I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter for by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned".
Why are you Protestant? Why do you reject Benedict?
You all need to come back to reality. Francis is pope.
You are quite ignorant
You people are all nuts.
Be careful of what you say. You are in no position to start telling other people. What do you think? Pope Francis has done nothing wrong, yes there are things that he is speaking of and which I thoroughly agree with. There are so many people like you wagging your tongues bishops and archbishops in high places. In the Vatican it is Pope Francis who will make the decisions not you not them. Pope Francis is a very good Pope . If the Catholic Church does not change, it will simply fade away. Do you want that to happen? I certainly don’t know and for one thing the big the big question what Francis has said about Jesus dying on the cross and being a failure is not meant in any other way then mankind is a failure for not recognising Jesus dying on the cross for them. Can you imagine the pain that Jesus went through for the sins of man can you imagine the pain of God the Father, seeing his only son treated like an animal. Wake up, Pope Francis did not mean that Jesus had failed. He is of the opinion that mankind has failed for not seeing what Jesus did in dying on the cross for us and for heaven sake, just leave. Pope Francis out of your silly misleading. stories Pope Francis is a very good man and I believe our bestPope for a long, long time
I think Pope Francis is doing a top job..he is like Jesus and the old guard keep trying to discourage him and be rid of him.They would crucify him if it were legal(fig. speaking)
Johnpro, you are a BIGGER HERETIC than that Argentine A$S!
A top job, like the wolf leading the sheep over the cliff.
@@Marcia-fw3wz EXACTLY!!!
We are supposed to preserve the faith. Not change/modernize it. Protestants have tried that.
@@markjoslin9912 You see, Bergoglio is a One-World Religion PROT!