Simon Bewick completely agree. I've been a Trekkie since I was about 7. do I know it's just a TV show? well yeah but it means a lot to me and always has. anyway I was told for years, often by close family members that if I kept obsessing over Star Trek I wouldn't have a life when I was older. no friends etc. Well I'm married, have 2 kids, own my home, have a few close mates and a few really good mates I met through a local Star Trek club etc. And I still love Trek and watch it quite a bit and read Trek books. people call me sad but I'm not. I'd be sadder if all I did was look at facebook on the bus or lunch break rather than reading a Trek novel. I have a life and I love it!
Yes, and aren't they always sitting on their porches and balconies watching squad cars going in and out and whispering and texting about what that could be. They watch reality shows and google the contestants of Dancing with the Stars because enquiring half-minds want to know. Were they in the hospital the day Rosemary Kennedy had her lobotomy and did they get one, too?
It's an amazing documentary. In one part he said he really wants to be a dad. I had to check him out after that. It was lovely to find out that he is now a dad.
What I love here, is how this Man’s collection, behind him, help define his best qualities. Ie, foundation in Beatles, some sense of humour, rooted in cultural identity…reinforced, by the obvious love and passion this man has for collecting, or, becoming a person with an expertise of sorts.
Hi Joe. I just watched the Alan Zweig film and enjoyed it very much. Thanks for the heads up on that. I was heartened to read on wiki that he is now married!
It's an incredible, dark, fascinating documentary. I guess as collectors there are some aspects of the doc that will resonate with us all. Maybe it's the moment when the hunt overtakes the actual listening experience that it becomes a different beast. I've personally found that since I made a conscious decision to start selling off some of my collection to fund buying records that I really want (as opposed to constantly buying on every dig) the whole experience feels somehow a bit healthier.... For me. And I'm much more into my collection now than ever.
Great video joe,i saw that doc when it came out back in the 90's by which time i had already accumalated a few thousand vinyl records! so could empathise with it.i also in my thirst for different music got into many different genres inc easy,jazz,soundtracks,surf,etc but the common thread was that it was all lexciting music and also around this time i also picked up a book on collecting unusual records and from that is taken this quote from one of the collectors in the book''people come over and are surprised;''you've got all this great stuff ,all these records,all these books...''it's very flattering ,but a part of me goes;''you mean other people don't have this stuff?-why live?''so i have lived by that quote ever since and still love the thrill of and sometimes even spiritual nature of finding something new.
Hey Joe, Ive just watched this episode with Brad Vinyl Guy and want to congratulate you on addressing this so competently! Given that you had no script ornotes, ratber than being all over the place, we thought you were focused and eloquent in your delivery. We think of records as an intrinsic part of our lives - music provides a soundtrack to life with each song reminiscent of a place, a person, an event, a smell ... so for us collecting records is like collecting memories and making new memories together as we explore and discover new music and records. I believe that there is a difference between collecting - even obsessive collecting - and hoarding; collecting is generally harmless, brings joy and purpose to our lives and is a conscious and often goal orientated act whereas hoarding, from what I have read, is a serious mental illness often borne out of trauma and where hoarders often have lost control over their acquisition of items. Like you we are happy and fulfilled, we have people to love and people who love us and think that record collecting enhances and enriches our lives. Don't let anyone make you feel guilty about your latest record related quest - early big band jazz - enjoy the thrill of discovery and enjoy the music; we plan to continue collecting records and have no plans to 'get a horse' anytime soon!! Take care and have a good week, Byeeeeeee....
That Vinyl Girl - I thank you both for your nice reply. Really appreciate your point of view. I'm glad the video seemed focused to you, as it sure didn't feel like that to me while I was recording it. Cheers!
Joe, You touched on so many of my thoughts, and feelings of being a "Collector". Collecting also gives you a chance to socialize with other people that share your interests. It's fun to share views,and ideas with others. I also believe that "Life is short" as long as your not harming anyone,doing something that brings you joy is celebrating life. I really enjoyed this heartfelt video.Keep collecting and enjoying all the music that makes you happy ! Cindy
Collecting music and movies is down right fun. I get enjoyment from the hunt and every once in awhile I find a holy grail that i missed when first released. You also will come across other people doing the same thing you are, and can at least start up a conversation about the music you like and the kind of movies that are of interest to you. My wife that I love dearly does not always know what i am talking about when i am trying discuss film scores with her. I also know exactly what you mean when other people do not have a hobby. Faithful listener Neal.T
Joe I agree with all of what you said. I think it is normal every once in a while to feel that I have overdone it, but obsessing on that just makes you feel worse -- it is better for me just not to worry about it. I think you have a lot in common with Alan Zweig in that you both come across sincere, brutally honest at at the same time entertaining on camera. By the way I think that there is a lot more to be said on the subject than was said in "Vinyl". I definitely think there is room for another good documentary on the subject -- "Vinyl 2" and I think you are just the one to make it!
Morpho Polis - I appreciate that, thanks. 90+ % of the time I just go with the flow and don't think anything of it. But in those rare times where I question things, I don't mind expressing it and letting myself show vulnerability.
Excellent video, Mr. Mayo. The way I look at it is this: all men are born with an excessive gene. There is simply a natural tendency to do something in excess of what it is necessary (which we cannot help). Therefore, it's up to us to channel this excessive tendency into something positive. For some people, like John Lennon, it was channelled into guitars and singing. For others, like General Patton, it was channelled into the military. Collecting things is the most common way of dealing with this gene. And collecting records is far more beneficial and benign an activity than, say, collecting guns. Music is mankind's greatest invention. Pity those who cannot share our enthusiasm.
As a collector, I understand what you are talking about. I'm watching your video's because I can relate to your passion for The Beatles and for music or vinyl in general. And as most collectors I do spend a lot of time and money on building my record collection. I think it's about a balance between hobby and social functioning. Is buying a record a short lived rush or is it something that You cherish? Does it give You Joy for a long time? Or once in your possession You couldn't care less about it and You feel the urge to go and buy another record? I remember when my wife and I went on a extended weekend to London. And it was a coincidence That George Harrison and Eric Clapton played a concert that weekend. All tickets had sold out and we had to pay a lot of money to get two tickets. It really was a huge amount. When we returned home everybody told us that it was irresponsible to pay such an amount just to go to a live concert. Now many years later I still think that it was one of the best investments we made. I still can feel happiness seeing George and Eric at that concert and I woudn't sell that experience for all the money in the world. Obsessive behavior is a complex issue. It always has to do with compensation for a loss / shortage. If you have a hobby and you bring yourself or others at risk, then you have a problem and should seek help. If it brings you happiness, I'd say enjoy it. Live is about experience. As they say; "You won't take nothing with You when You go".... "THINK!"
Jos Housen - I agree with you that the George Harrison/Eric Clapton concert was a great investment. Few of us now can ever say that we got to see George live in concert. These same people who told you that you were supposedly "irresponsible" are probably the same people who'd waste thousands of dollars on cigarettes, candy, or some other crap.
I have watched that documentary, literally, 15 times!! lol What that guy was able to put together with a simple camcorder was amazing!! If you remember a couple of years ago I did a video with the camera pointing at a little mirror and you only saw my reflection in it?..I stole that idea from Alan's documentary lol. It was really was a great piece. Not to mention I was totally in love with the hippie chic with that hairy armpits towards the end lol.
mrhoffame - Yes, I even felt like Alan myself early on in the video, where I was mulling over my thoughts on vinyl. I nearly used a little mirror myself! And yeah, that gal at the end of the film was a real cutie. Love that "Vinyl" documentary ... something warm and yet at the same time offbeat about it!
I get where you are coming from. You are fortunate to have someone in your life that understands your collecting. It can get expensive but one good thing about buying used vinyl is that you can have your passion with little monetary investment. If one is surrounded by friends and family that don't get it (they think it is old fashioned media, taking up too much space, you need to save your money for the future, etc.)that can be tough for the collector. Good discussion you bring up.
Collecting anything and listening to music is fun. I'm in my mid 30's and I'm hooked. I stick to a budget and give myself rules on my collecting, so it doesnt blow out of control. take care
I go to garage sales, but rarely do I look them up to see if they specifically advertise records. It's better though to check the internet around the area and see if records are offered, which is better than driving aimlessly around. I did try that a few years ago.
I agree with everything you said. I collect all kinds of records at different times of my life. Like rock n roll, big band , ragtime, classical, like Bach and Vivaldi. Collecting is life. Sometimes we over do it . Recently I been collecting TV DVDs. I know it's an addiction but I enjoy it . You like what you like. It is what it is. Take care Joe !
great discussion joe on this topic! there can be so many reasons why we collect and some are easy to figure out and some are way to in depth. the main and simple reason I have ben a record collector since 1976 is for the pure joy of the music and the physical aspect of owning a piece of pop culture lps 45s cassettes and cds from an era in my case 50s and 60s music that will never be repeated. sort of an historic archive of things past and gone for good. my philosophy is if it makes you happy and is not hurting anyone why not! rob
I think as humans, we need something to occupy our spare time to stimulate our brains. People who are unable to do this either end up really depressed or crazy. Like you said, people who just go to work and sleep, or retired people without a passionate hobbies go nuts in no time. So whatever people do, whether it is collecting, reading, gardening, exercise, travel, etc, etc, these are things that make us want to live and be alive. Can we go overboard with collecting? sure, but the majority of us have the ability to see when that line is crossed.
I enjoyed your thoughtful video Joe. Although you seemed a bit melancholy as if you are questioning you own need to collect your video was very interesting and I plan on watching the movie by Alan Zweig. Collecting of anything can become obsessive. There's certainly a healthy level as well as an unhealthy level to any obsession, or, passion in life. To me, so long as the collecting, or whatever one's passion is doesn't get in the way of keeping a job, paying your bills, living responsibly, having healthy relationships with friends and family, or, a "significant other" that you care about, I think it's ok. It's your life, live it the way you feel best. So long as it's not hurting you or others, keep collecting man. Still, I do think everyone hits that point where they may hit a saturation point. Where the collecting is not fun, but rather a burden. I certainly did. For awhile I became a collector over the years from Beatles records to Pez dispensers as well as other things . But, after awhile I just didn't have the time, nor did I want to sacrifice the money to keep collecting. I have a home to pay for and I felt that was more important to me. My real passion is art and painting anyway, so I do have that to keep me going. But, I just reached my limit with collecting. Still, I find myself occasionally buying something that I need to have to display in my home. But, that's rare. I do think it is important to ask one's self "why am I collecting all of this?" Why do I need all of this? Do I need to have all of this in my possession?? Maybe collecting fills a void for some people. If so, so what. I think it goes back to what I first stated. So long as the collecting doesn't alienate you from the world, loved ones, or reality, I think it's a healthy past time. I sometimes watch two shows on cable TV, "American Pickers", and "Hoarders". Both shows exhibit people that collect but also those that just cannot get rid of things. Most of what I see on "Pickers" is healthy while what I see displayed on "Hoarders" is unhealthy. There is a sort of mental illness, or distortion involved by the people shown on "Hoarders" . However, many of the people that collect items on the show "Pickers" collect things and take pride in their collections. Occasionally they'll sell off pieces of their collection to the two host of the show, which, is healthy. On the other hand, you have other people that collect things but store them similar to the people on the show "hoarders". They just toss things in big barns like garbage to where it's ceiling high and you can't even walk in a house or building cuz so much is piled up. This, I don't get. This I find highly unhealthy. Certainly Joe, you are the former. You have a passion and you care about what you collect and you keep in organized. It's obvious, you love the search. You love the art of the vinyl records, music, as well as other things. So, be it. You are perfectly healthy and normal. Still, only you can determine if and when you have a limit to your collecting. It is nice that you have a girlfriend that supports you. Keep doing what you are doing. As I said, it's your life.
I collect vinyl, video games, and Star Wars and Batman comic books. I don't hurt anyone, and my wife and kids don't go without anything. Do I spend to much? Sometimes! But I view this things as my pension, and I am willing to bet it out performs the stock market! And I get to enjoy this stuff until then. Love your videos mate, Steve
As long as you have the space and it doesn't get out of hand. Keep collecting! It's what brings you joy! You're also lucky to have an understanding spouse. Some less fortunate collectors are sometimes given the ultimatum "it's me or the collection!" I've known more than a few collectors that have been in that situation.
Steve Derda ...My lady is very understanding, yes. If she wasn"t I would have moved on past her a loonnng time ago. Ever since I was a kid my hobbies have been very vital to me. Now let's just say I hope she never expects me to make a choice. ;)
Your video got me thinking Joe. What you discussed in your video would make a great roundtable discussion. Would love to see some musical artists(both famous and not so famous) sit with a diehard collectors, as well as maybe a psychologist, etc and just discuss the idea of collecting physical media. The need for it, is it important, etc. etc. Not to get off the track, but today I met an old friend out at a bar and we were discussing vinyl records cuz recently I've been listening to my old records. My friend has completely given up on vinyl and doesn't care about them. But, he does collect alot of cd's and has a huge collection. I thought I had a lot but he out does me by quite a bit. Anyway, I mentioned to him about your video discussing McCartney's "Flowers in the Dirt" release and how some of the songs will only be allowed to be downloaded. In your video you mentioned that it's really just our generation that still cares about the collecting the physical media anymore. Not that there isn't people from a younger generation collector cuz there are. Rockboy is certainly one of them. Still, I tend to agree with you that our generation really cares about collecting the physical media. For the most part, kids today seem to care more about just having the downloaded media that I think will become forgettable and easily disposable. Anyway, we then had a good laugh cuz I brought up the idea about how in the old days(20, 30, 40 years ago) you could walk into just about anyone's home and there would be bookshelves with books(now people are downloading them), a record or cd player with a record or cd collection. Also, there would be a video collection by the tv. Nowadays with everyone carrying things in a little box where most things are just downloaded or streamed it seems most people don't collect anymore. In fact, putting large flat screen tv's on the wall has even replaced the need for artwork on the wall, much to my dismay. So now, I can picture homes with no book shelves, no records, cd's or any physical musical media other than an Ipod, or a computer, and no artwork on the wall. How boring is that? Just blank, blank, blank. Hell, I love that fact I still have old board games from my youth stored in the closet as opposed to video games. Anyways, keep up the videos and the collecting Joe. As I've said to Mr Heaton, I appreciate the passion and thoughtfulness you put into your videos.
nowhereman64 - I loved your thoughtful response - thanks. Regarding sitting down with record collectors and a psychologist, the only trouble with that is I personally think the psychologist usually is the one who could use a psychologist. ... I know what you mean about "blank" homes without anything on the walls, and no bookshelves, etc - that would be pathetic .. what's the point of owning and displaying NOTHING except an iPod?
I am thankful I am not as extreme on collecting. I am selective only because I fear that if I keep buying and buying and buying I will never appreciate what I have or even have the time to listen. I've found for myself less is truly more. When I get into this trap of getting as much as I can I find it pretty empty. I get your feeling that you are going through.
S. Jackson - Only fleetingly. Sometimes less is more, sometimes more is even better. Only we can know for ourselves and make that decision. I am also selective - if I weren't I'd be buying any record ever recorded by any artist, of any genre.
I collect records because of memories I have of records perking up my life as a kid, especially with scoliosis. Whatever gets you through your life, it's all right.
I'm not sure why you made the video, Joe; you seem to be a grounded person who is very self-aware and has healthy relationships outside of the things you collect. You even allude to that in your video. I watched the Zweig video years ago. Here's my take, and one thing you have to understand is that I'm a dog person. At the beginning of the video he talked about his dog getting ready to pass away. IIRC his dog was older so he probably knew about this for some time. When you're a dog person, this colors how you see almost everything, and the sadness is simply going to bleed through, and IIRC the documentary was very sad. I think it was a film by a very introspective person who was about to lose his best friend and who didn't have a significant other human in his life. He was probably a crushed human being before he pressed 'record' for the first time. I made my first VC video roughly 6 or 8 months after I intended to start because I was dealing with my best dog ever having cancer that I knew couldn't be cured. It just rocks you. It was a few years ago at this point and I've got tears flowing just typing about it. I think Zweig was having a hard time in life at the time he made that movie, and it shows. Best, Tom
High Rant District - Thanks for your heartfelt input, Tom. You're correct that I am indeed self-aware and have healthy relationships outside of this hobby; I only made the video because it was the rare mood I was in and I don't mind being vulnerable if it's honest. I do think the fact that Alan Zweig was having personal difficulties at this time really adds to the impact of the film. For me, anyway. I am as interested in his own plight as I am in the subjects he talks to.
From what I've had jammed down my throat, one version of this proverbial life I have yet to get is to be married with children in the suburbs, and to go to church, to get involved in a church group, maybe I might meet some normal people, according to the source. I was asked by my sister, who'd turned me onto the Beatles in the first place, "aren't you a little too old for the Beatles?" Uh, SHE is married with children in the suburbs and is involved in the church she goes to.
If this is the film I'm thinking of I confess that some of these collectors left me shaking my head .I suppose I can understand the bitterness felt by the guy who went through a nasty divorce , and in an act of pure savage spite , his wife demanded a portion of his record collection despite having no interest in music or records . ( She might have wanted the whole thing . I can't recall , and I don't want to watch it again to do any fact checking . ) But , the guy that really turned me off was a rather petulant fellow that had records all over his apartment to the point that walking around was a hazard . Unfortunately , Mr. Zweig accidentally kicked a pile of records , which was somewhat unavoidable , and this collector became even more petulant and downright inconsolable . I guess the film , ( in some instances ) , brought into sharp focus the ' sad ' side of this hobby , and in too many cases , I didn't like what I saw .
Enjoyed the video. I too have watched Zweig's video several times and can relate to the people in it. I also can relate to your thoughts and opinions as well as how you feel at times about collecting music. Most of the time I am happy with my collecting of records, CDs and audio gear. However, there are times I question the amount I have amassed over the years. Especially when moving! My thought is that music collecting is no different then any other type of collecting or hobby. It can turn into an addiction or obsession that could be unhealthy. Some examples I can think of are as follows. When it interferes with relationships with your friends, family or your spouse. When it creates a financial burden. When it consumes all of your time. When your collection takes over your living space that you have lost the use of your living space for everyday living and\or makes it unsafe. Sometimes it can be a fine line from it being a "hobby" and a obsession or addiction. If it is an addiction, the trap is one can find many, many ways to justify it to themselves as well as others. On a side note, in this day in age your going to find people looking at this hobby as wasteful. This is due some in our society looking to push a minimalist or little to no possessions lifestyle.
83Roboto - Well one thing I certainly don't care about are the people who don't understand the hobby or think it's "wasteful" - this is their problem, not ours. Yes, all those things you've listed here can be problematic.. but we can only decide for ourselves if we've gone too far, or if our lives are somehow uncomfortably affected. I maintain that it's all about being HAPPY. If you're content, happy, amused - it's all good, I think.
Hello Joe, boy I could ramble on and on with his video but I will keep it short as I can. I truly love your Beatles finds, finds of all kinds, Elvis, and now your interest in big band. What you say about "get a life" is so right between the eyes! do they mean a life like theirs? Or are they jealous cause there life is hollow etc. etc..I have limited funds myself and a relative that was with me record shopping and I already knew what I could buy and couldn't, I had a jimmy smith root down album in my hand I wanted it and my relative came over and said don't you already have some jimmy smith? Well I do Joe but they made me feel like I shouldn't spend my limited funds on an artist I already HAD!! So I put it back and checked a few weeks after the incident and it was gone😶. These are some of my favorite videos that you do. Thanks and keep collecting-- Lis
L.E. - Hey Lisa, I loved the passion in your reply. Glad you liked watching the video, as I sometimes like to talk about things in addition to just showing the records. And always feel free to 'ramble on' and give your thoughts! Cheers!
I often wonder if I'd be satisfied with just my existing collection and be able to stop acquiring any more vinyl. From a musical standpoint......perhaps.....as my collection covers most of the stuff I enjoy listening to. But kicking the "search and hunt" addiction and social interaction with other collectors at record stores, shows , thrifts etc., ain't easy and something I could probably never give up.
Record collecting is like any other habit or obsession in life.. if it makes you happy and is not harmful to you or anyone else then I don't see how it can be a bad thing. If it would start to intrude on work or family, then maybe it could be a problem but I agree life is too short.
A bit of logic may help here. It's impossible to make the people you love happy without being it yourself. So if our record collecting , assuming it stays in the realm of a healthy budget and quality family time, just does that.....where could be the problem ? Isn't real love about wanting the other to be happy ? So it works both ways. But true....most people consider us as eccentrics or even worse. I still can recall the way my future mother-in-law looked at me when entering my music room for the first time. I'm sure she feared the worst for her daughter. And yes...our society is so wonderfully good at inducing guilt. We won't get fooled again. Thank you for making me aware again we do have a wonderful hobby.
I watched the documentary on youtube recently, it sort of made me re-evaluate my record collecting. Even though I'm no where near the level of the people in this film. I guess it's important to sort of look at this not as a blanket criticism on people who like records and rather a sort of look at where this rabbit hole can lead if you aren't careful. It's sort of like that Brazilian guy who has a huge warehouse to store his record collection and he's got so many records that he's got a staff just to organise it. It sort of sounds really cool at first but there is something almost tragic about it. He's got more records than probably he could listen to in his lifetime even some of these other collectors could be in that position. In the documentary he talks about a compulsion to make tapes for the sake of making tapes. It is sort of interesting to think about these lines and where is too much too much. Is buying a pile of records a bad thing if you're going to actually going to listen to that pile of records. Does it make it a bad thing if the only reason you bought that pile of records is so you can own a pile of records. That one guy who talked about having to move records around to go to sleep at night, and how it wouldn't have taken much effort to buy some cheap shelves or something to get them off the floor says something about the level of his collecting impulsion.
Craig Bickerstaff - I go back and forth on this all the time, from thinking it's okay to thinking it's extreme at times. But 90% of the time I just feel it's all about happiness, pleasure, and contentment. So if a person loves playing records and listening to them for pleasure, that's great ... but also, if a person just wants to have a warehouse full of piles and piles of records that he can't listen to in his lifetime but instead gains a good feeling just having the collection in the warehouse and organizing it or walking around it - this is fine too. As long as they're actually gaining some satisfaction and enjoyment out of whatever they do - and are not harming anyone else - that means they're having a fun and content life. I only think it's a problem when you're uncomfortable and something causes you discomfort or misery.
Great video and subject matter.Sounds like you have a great lady there too.I sold my Beatles collection once like you and have been slowly building back my collection.I enjoy finding something that I once had.It does take you back to a certain point in your life sometimes.If it makes you happy and doesn't create any other problems it isn't a problem then.Life is too short.
Hey Joe, this video should go viral! I really feel sorry for a whole generation that owns and collects nothing because everything they have is on their phone or tablet. They have no idea what it is like to physically own, and therefore, care for things. Everything is disposable, and too easy. If they want to hear a song: Type-click-song. If they want to watch a film or show: Type-click-show. "Oh, Netfix doesn't have that anymore, then I can't watch it. I'll have to watch (listen) to something else." That's just sad. Take care Joe...
Tim Allen - All I can say is "Ditto", Tim . But at least - as is in evidence right here in the Vinyl Community - we often see youngers of the new generation who do like to collect and own 'stuff' !
hey joe, I enjoy u videos and think you communicate very well, this is a habit, as I said in my last video funnily enough, like any habit u need balance...if u keep u relationships up and stay within budget (space not so important ) then it's a awesome habit...music is therapy, I love digging.....live the life
There is an alternate cut of the movie which Zweig made and traveled it around a bit to theatres, mostly in Toronto. I cannot find it anywhere, but would LOVE to watch it. I was told it focuses differently than the obsessive aspect of the original film, but either way I would watch it multiple times. I'm hoping someone will give him money to release it more widely. I try to turn people onto this movie as well (In subreddits or whatever). Despite what one thinks about it, it is a study in Vinyl collecting. Just FYI. There are two other documentaries he did using the same self-camcorder method: I, Curmudgeon (2004) and Loveable (2007). All of his movies are worth watching. In case you haven't read much about him recently, he did finally get married and has a child now. (Something he laments about in all the early films)
Joe, for the first minute or so I said, "Gee Joe seems drowsy. Maybe he's been up all night or something." But as time went on I was completely hooked in. it's as if you were channeling my thoughts. I'm dead serious. The main point being, what gives anyone the right to judge my "life", my happiness or joy ? As long as we are happy today, that we tried to be a kind, good person...then our lives are just as fulfilling as anyone else's. I don't consider being a Beatles fan and collecting a "vice". For me it brings me fun, joy, and peace. And more importantly new friends such as you. And I guarantee everyone here has other joys in their lives. Such as, family, friends, other activities they pursue and enjoy, hobbies. So you're right on target, we HAVE a life! Good lives...the naysayers should be so lucky! Peace and Friendship, Matt
Mathew Street - When you hear Alan Zweig's dreary delivery as he examines himself in the mirror, that's what I was going for in my video where I first sounded down.
Finished the film. While I respect what Zweig was trying to do, I must say he clearly went for a particular negative slant with the film. Perhaps that was due to his own self loathing. He was very down and held negative views on his own vinyl collecting. Or maybe he went negative because if he had made it a positive film about the joys of collecting, no one would care. Either way I do not begrudge him for making the film the way he wanted to. But he only showed the one narrow view. I could make the same type film and interview people showing the joyousness of Beatles/ music collecting. I could show folks doing what we do and still living complete, fulfilling lives outside of record collecting. I've met many here and I consider myself a happy, fulfilled person also. Am I perfect, no, not by any means. But I am happy and having fun and also enjoying life...as most of us are. So thanks for the entertaining film Mr. Zweig, it just doesn't speak for many of us. All the best, Matt Street
Mathew Street - Thanks for checking it out, Matt. Yes, his film angle is a negative view of the mentality of some collectors. I am basically like you - I don't consider myself mal-adjusted as most people in Zweig's film, even though at rare times I (like my video here) I take a pause just as anyone might, naturally. I think what you say here about presenting a more "upbeat" version of VINYL is very important. If you search around in these very comments, I believe Alan Zweig himself has watched my video and has commented right here about the possibilities of doing a sequel. He is under a screen name here of Fred Neechee. We talked a bit about people who have wanted a follow-up movie from him for years, and he acknowledged that today so many young people love and collect vinyl, so he wouldn't know what "hook" to shoot for in a sequel. But from reading your comments here, it seems to me that simply making a sequel that could contrast the first film by going from "the dark side" to "the brighter side" might be a hook in itself.
Hi Joe, hope you had a good Christmas! Sorry but Im a bit late to the party on this one. I just can't help think that the VC encourages the collecting especially for those who make the videos. Sometimes I think people look at a record and think that would be a good one to show on the video so they buy it otherwise they wouldn't if they were not making videos. I'm sure, however, watching people's videos encourages the "I want, I want" in people. "He has it so I have to have it." I know since watching the VC my record buying is starting to go out of control. What are your thoughts on this? Have a good new year!
Richard McCook - To be honest, I sometimes think this is true about buying "some" records just for the sake of the video channel.I mean, I am definitely NOT going to buy just any record that I don't want at all just to make a video - but the channel does fuel the desire to get more records, too.
I found that documentary very raw, I don't think it was just about collecting, some of them people had wrecked their life chances. Could be record or bottle tops, doesn't matter
Enjoyed your video, Joe. Great discussion topic. I will be watching the documentary- thanks for the heads up. While there is just collecting for collecting's sake or to enjoy the music I do think there are sometimes underlying reasons. I have a vinyl collection and a CD collection and a movie collection and now my son has a CD collecting habit too. (I've had other collections in my lifetime- baseball and football cards, Big Little books, stamps, Matchbox cars, Star Wars figures, etc.)That got me thinking. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder runs in my family and I realized that it probably fits in. You find something that you like and then you obsess about (it's a lot of what you think about) and you compulsively buy what your obsessed about until you have a huge collection. Where does it end? I was into movies and I amassed a huge collection, I got onto Disney lore and collected everything I could find then I discovered vinyl. The superior sound quality is what started it but now I find myself stopping at record stores even when I'm not looking for anything "just to see what they have" and I always buy something. Now that I'm into vinyl I find myself buying and watching less movies and even purging parts of my collection because "do I really need ALL these movies?" When or will my vinyl inclinations end and then what? I acquired so many records so fast that now I feel like I have enough but yet I still keep looking. So I think the OCD has something to do with it but I also enjoy it (most of the time). These are just my current thoughts and I do agree that we should enjoy our lives by doing what makes us happy. But where do we draw the line between enjoyment and obsession?
Vinyl Victim - All questions which only we ourselves can answer, I guess. I also have a huge movie collection, and am trying to watch a lot of it on a regular basis. I just don't like having 1000 DVDs and not watching them.
I've watched it enough to practically memorize parts of it. I was inspired by it. Characters are what keeps life interesting. Most people are boring. Yah, you could be in it :D
Richard Riley - I'd be happy to be in a sequel to VINYL, if Alan Zweig ever wanted to make another updated version. He's certainly got a built-in audience for it already.
I watched "Vinyl", it was nice to see someone else who collects, ANYTHING. I personally think we're substituting collecting for a maybe more nefarious habit, be it drinking, smoking, gambling or whatever. Books, inparticular, are my habit. I recently donated over 1,000 books to a charity, and STILL have at least that many left. It was very cathartic.
I collect Elvis stuff, I been collecting Elvis stuff since I started loving Elvis, it makes me happy when I go to the store and see Elvis stuff, I buy it and enjoy it, display it in my house and buy more stuff, you collecting is amazing, I hope you don't shop collecting cause is a hobby to be happy about. 👍🏼👍🏼😀
What I liked best is Your "what is a life" question. So many People say, get a life to People on internet threads and seamingly always assuming the person they are talking to has never done and will never do anything of true value. Do they not know that the most accomplished of People also comment on youtube videos.
Mr. Mayo, I appreciate your video, and i do think that, as you said, that people all have different things they are passionate about and I think you will find Brandon aka Mrhoffame video response to your video very encouraging!!!!!
Great video Joe. I have friends who are sniffy about my vinyl collecting who often talk about the merits of Spotify etc, implying that there is something sad and unnecessary about purchasing physical records. I don't know, maybe they're right, but I do often end up thinking how dull it must be to interact with music on that level. We are vinyl bores in the eyes of the world maybe, but what excitement are these other people having really? Some people don't understand what it means to have a passion. I guess in that sense it's a little a religious belief or supporting a football team. You either know what its like and need it in your life, or you don't. But if you don't it's easy to finger point at those who do. When I'm filing records or listening to records, what are these people doing? Maybe they're out riding their horses, or maybe they're just sat there watching Tv. I guess the secret is to say live and let live and not to make value judgements about what others are doing.
James Griffiths - Well, anyone can have their opinion. For example, I think it's those people who are NOT interested in physical items and who rely on Spotify and other such empty means of getting their music who are the sad ones, not us. To each their own, as they say.
You don't have to get a live, just live a live, thats all. I saw the movie, I did not like it because it shows the dark side of collecting. I always collected something, I had a big pipe collection, one of the best known to the world and I sold everything because I quit smoking, now I collect records. Do I compensate? Yes I do, but there is nothing wrong with it, if you find something to compensate than you are even. If collecting compensates something I miss and I can fill it with collecting, it is not empty anymore, it is compensated, good. And now I continue to live my live.
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Interesting movie and interesting opinions! I have put together a respons for it! :)
''Are you pouring out your heart or your liver'' as Ed Norton once told Ralph Kramden? : D You seemed a bit worried or sad? I hope you are not questioning your reasons for collecting. I don't see a hoarder, your room looks organized. Though in some videos back, you were ridding of a lot of records and focusing on the artists which mean the most to you. In recent weeks you've bought outside that box again. You seem happy with the recent purchases, Jazz, Vicki Lawrence etc, but will they get you back to before, when you got rid of the Sinatra albums? I think we all tend to do this from time to time. As a vinyl collector since the late 70's I always took care of my records and never got rid of most of my collection. Back in 2003 I put all my vinyl in the closet and focused on CD's ( Been purchasing CD's since 1991) when they stopped releasing most vinyl in the states. Two year ago I took my vinyl out and have been inspecting all of it since. A few had a scratched song, a few the shrink wrap was torn and I've spent my time replacing these with mint/sealed copies of Ebay. And it has been kind of an expensive thing. Because many are harder to find sealed...an original Kate Bush - The Hounds Of Love for example. I had to pay a pretty penny for a sealed 1985 original copy to replace my scratched copy. I still can't just buy open copies without knowing for sure that they are mint. My records have to be mint or I can't add them to my collection. Some people say this is strange and a waste of money. I know this, but I can't purchase used albums unless they are still in shrink and if hype sticker and inner sleeves and vinyl is minty. I've bought maybe 4 open albums in the last 2 years. Thankfully albums from the 1960's and 1970's were my dads and he took good care of them, so I don't need to purchase those or I'd be in trouble. But there is an element of excitement when you know there is only one sealed, original copy on Ebay from a certain act and you win. Ir's a big accomplishment to the vinyl collector, almost like a sport. I'm an organized collector , but my thing is I don't just buy vinyl, but Blu-rays, Classic Hollywood magazines, books, memorabilia. Classic TV shows and films, so I'd say I have a collection that is growing but it makes me happy-it's a passion. I was collecting comic books when I was a kid-that passion ended long ago. I'm responsible when it comes to rent, bills and food. I admit I need to cut back some. I am also buying a lot of current vinyl releases by my fave acts from the 1960's-1980's as well. I think I'd worry if things were piling on top of furniture, by the open spaces at home or collecting dust, like hoarders who buy and just throw it somewhere to collect dust. Now I'm the one pouring out my heart and liver here!!! I'll stop here! but if it makes us happy and not hurting anyone and like you say life is so short, why not have things that make us happy around us, then keep collecting! I'm going to watch the documentary in full. I've viewed clips.
Robert NYGUY - Good observation about those Frank Sinatra records I recently sold off. And do you know what? I have recently accumulated MORE Frank Sinatra records --- oh yes. It's true. Check out a future video I will be making with more finds. I still have unloaded something like 50% of the Sinatra 12" LP records I didn't want which I used to have; the ones I now bought are 7" and 10" discs. .... Yes, I was sort of in a melancholy mood when I shot this video, but it's already passed and I'm excited about the collection. I enjoyed your entire comment, thanks.. and also thanks for the Honeymooners reference. I hope I wasn't too much of a blaaabbbberrrmouth by pouring out my heart and liver.
Hope your mood picked up. We all have those melancholy days, especially when we think back to people no longer with us and those moments spent with them. I'll look forward to the new Sinatra video. I have a few of his CD's and some great photo books on the crooner and of course his films on Blu-ray and DVD. The Honeymooners always lift ones spirit. I'm lucky to still have my folks. As a child I used to jump into my folks bed and watch the reruns with them on WPIX. Recently mom visited and told me she was watching some episodes on cable. Have a great weekend Joe.
How interesting! I discovered and watched the "Vinyl" documentary on youtube about a week ago. I was surprised to see your posting about the movie... Synchronicity I suppose... I found the documentary disturbing and depressing as well as emotional and entertaining at times. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and hording are common problems. I feel much the same as you where I can relate to Alan Zweig's personal commentaries about record collecting. Not sure whether the characters were real or just actors playing parts, but the situations shown in the film seemed very real! There are passionate extremes to every hobby and every lifestyle. If nothing else, Mr. Zweig has given us something to ponder and talk about.
Great vid Joe! I've started collecting records because it's fun! It's got me back into music! With most of our advances as humans we've made! Are we any better off? I sometimes think we've lost more than what we've gained! ✌🏻👏🏻👍🏻🇦🇺😃
CastelDawn - For some people it sure can be (like Linus and his blanket). In my case, not at all .. it's just fun and an enhancement to my life. True and dangerous addiction is not a good thing, it has a negative influence on our lives.
I see myself as a collector more like yourself. I have certain artists that are my 'Premier League', Queen, The Beatles, Rolling Stones,Led Zeppelin, David Bowie. Then there are certain genres that I like and collect. Some of the guys in the documentaries and in some cases the YT vinyl community just seem to buy anything with no real quality control or knowledge about the record. Almost buying for the sake of buying. That is more of a hoarding mentality.
Arthur Lager - Yes, I think it sounds like you and I are similar in our collecting pattern. Though presently I have been investing sort of half-blindly into a new genre for me which I know little about (early Jazz). Since this type of records are so cheap, there is little risk in my getting many and sampling them - and keeping the good stuff, and forgoing the bad. I am starting to learn what type of early Jazz and musicians are for me, and which ones aren't.
But there's nothing wrong with that, you have a certain road that you are exploring. Some of these guys are piling up Bing Crosby next to Metallica next to Celine Dion to Public Enemy, which is ok if you have really eclectic tastes but I just get the impression they are just buying stuff for the sake of it. Your collection looks really cared for and orderly. There was a programme on over here in the UK last year, where this old guy filled six flats with cds and employed two members of staff to catalogue them. He doesn't even listen to them, he listens to the radio! Sheer madness.
I do the same. Since being a teenager most of my favourite bands have been hard rock, Def Leppard , Guns N' Roses etc. At the moment I am on a 60s kick and I am researching The Kinks and Small Faces albums albums I don't already have and collecting them excites me. Next month it could be 80s electronic bands or Soundtracks that are my big kick, but each one will be listened to and lovingly filed into my collection. Whereas some of these guys look like they go to a thrift store and pile up any old shit and not really listen to it.
Watched it maybe 20 years ago?. from memory he focused on 'dysfunctional' collectors, music somewhat secondary. Some of it was very amusing, or darkly farcical, or tragic perhaps. The chap who had 150 or so versions of an Elvis song, for example. Is buying repackaged versions of often unremarkable songs a good use of the planets resources, ....maybe not!
Collecting Yoga vinyls might be missing the point of Yoga, one of which is to to free the body-mind from the need to have 150 versions of pop songs in your living room, and no room to ''stretch out''.
To me, it seemed the director was the sick one, what with the rats darting in and out of his record collection. He probably was out to find people sicker than himself in order to boost his own self esteem, but I doubt he accomplished this. I liked the scene where the guy said, "For me, it's about listening to the music, not the collecting". The director seemed saddened by this. I'm sure he'd be bitterly disappointed with your organized collection and immaculate home. This film reminds me of the Paul Williams documentary, "Still Alive", where the director first is on a mission to "help" his subject, then starts to realize that maybe he himself is the one in need of help from Paul Williams.
Hey Joe, thanks for putting together this video about exploring our obsessions. It took me a couple of weeks to watch the documentary and mull over what I watched; but finally put out a response video. Hope you're doing well. th-cam.com/video/z-czdNyZgEk/w-d-xo.html
Adam Hinds - True. I know that's the way it come off in this particular video because it was a rare mood I was in, but in fact I'm proud of my collecting. If this is indeed a "vice", then I'm very happy to have it.
I think I agree with what you said, as long as you're happy and you're not harming anyone else, do you. If someone else has a problem with what I am doing, I won't deal with them. You only get 100 years max, may as well do what you enjoy, f*** everyone else.
Your defense is just crazy. It's okay I overeat because at least I don't overdrink? It's okay I buy records because I don't buy hummels? The idea that we all have issues is okay is a way to absolve us of personal responsibility for our actions... It is one thing why the documentary is so good - he recognizes that when he delves head on into his collecting, he is actually trying to remove himself from the reality around himself - he is insulating plus trying to regain control of his life by sublimating with his hobby. The simple answer is, yes, we should do what makes us happy (as long as it doesn't affect others) - but too much of anything is never good. Passion can become obsession - and that is never good either.
dixielandfarm - Wow Kris, I really had to check three or four times to make sure this was really you - only because it reads as though you were personally insulted, or I struck a nerve or something. Yes I think overeating is bad, but less harmful than, say, using Heroin. The reason I mentioned here that everyone has issues to one degree or another was actually my way of saying "yo, if you wanna criticize, why not look in the mirror?". It's completely human nature - NONE of us is without some kind of flaw, even be it smaller than another's. Sure, I'll occasionally ponder (as I do in this vid) if I'm going too far too fast - it's only natural to question oneself if you're a rationally thinking person - although I do think that the self reflection is sometimes due to the societal conditioning around us. ... So despite my occasional doubting a mere 10% of the time, I'm very happy 90%, and that's what matters first and foremost to me. We're only on Earth a very short time - so I say go for it and amuse yourself! .....In the documentary, sure Zweig may be insulating himself with his records and dulling the misery around him, but that is also preferable to drugs or drink, I feel. So we can largely agree to both agree and (not totally) disagree.
The one thing that is telling is that, and this isn't made a big deal of in the movie, is that he is friends with Harvey Pekar, who is in the movie (he is the one who mentions Alan's weight, that he was getting fatter) - if you read Harvey's stuff, or the teaming of him and Robert Crumb, you get this ennui and self-loathing/deprecating thing that is obviously going on - a particular New York trait (which I have and is SO out of place down here where I live)... Living in ones mind can be a bad place sometimes - overthinking anything and everything... Crumb/Pekar had a great comic about record collecting that gets to the NEED to hunt and have, which I'm sure you have seen (or at least part of)...
dixielandfarm - Yes, I knew that guy was Harvey Pekar (who I'd only heard of several years ago due to the movie AMERICAN SPLENDOR)... even though he is not identified on screen while he's talking. He was an odd duck. Yes, since living in one's mind can be a bad place sometimes, THAT'S where hobbies come in to help us forget our cares.
You should get a horse! I'm very flattered but that doesn't say it This is probably my favorite ever reaction to a film I've made. I didn't get to finish it because I'm up in the Arctic and the wifi connection is a bit slow. but when I get home I'm going to savor this. thanks again mr mayo from a guy whose real name is not Fred Neechee.
Fred Neechee - If you're the guy I think you are, I am really honored. Having watched "Vinyl" many times, it's something that is in my psyche now and then - but in a good, warm and fuzzy kind of way. Would love to hang out and talk one day. By the way, I know people have wanted a sequel to "Vinyl", and while I realize that a director does not like repeating himself, the time is ripe out there with the current resurgence of the format. Thanks so much for your comment. (PS - I also loved and related to "I, Curmudgeon" - but that's another video!).
yes sorry I'm not here under my own name, I tried to respond and it turned out i had a few different pseudonyms here and this was the only one where I could remember the password. But it's me. As for the sequel idea, I did make an alternate version a number of years ago, thinking it would make a great DVD extra but there was no DVD ever. The alternate version is feature length also, using all different material, some with the same characters such as the K-Tel guy and it's way less of me, and way more just about record collecting. This year I'm going to try and put it on youtube. As far as a real sequel goes, I dismissed the idea for years but lately I've been considering it, though i still don't know what the hook would be other than "look how old I've gotten and how expensive records are getting". I have met lots of younger collectors lately and I see more of the fun of it in them, than the obsessive thing I spoke about in Vinyl, and I'm trying to figure out how to make a film about that. but unfortunately showing a bunch of people loving their records may be something that only a bunch of other people loving their records would appreciate, if you know what I mean. there's SO much stuff about that on youtube, maybe I should leave it to people like yourself.
Fred Neechee - I certainly would love to see the alternate version. Please be sure to let me know if it ever gets onto TH-cam. I'm so glad to hear you've recently entertained the idea of a sequel, yet I can appreciate the dilemma in seeking out a "hook". That is what would require some thought .. of course a "where are they now" thing in some cases where any of the surviving collectors may still be around is an idea for at least a small portion of it. I see what you mean about a new film covering young generations loving their vinyl may only intrigue other collectors - but then again, I wonder? It could inspire some casual viewers to become interested in records, too. ... But I'm thrilled to hear you've reconsidered the idea of not revisiting the vinyl theme at all. ... Ever since I first saw VINLY I have wanted to know if you are still involved in any kind of record collecting? Also - one of the documentary moments I've thought about is when you say you wish you had a daughter, and that you ought to be working on a bicycle for her. Well, congratulations - I have seen you have the daughter... now, did you ever get to that bike?
I also like to see " Where are they now " versjon. Find persons in film inresting and honest and feel like i kinda knew them. Then again the movie made me sad. Go and figure.
So, I watched the movie and found it interesting and a bit disturbing. I would say that for most of the people Zweig interviewed, and from him as well, there are some holes in their lives that they are trying to fill with possessions. The focus here is on vinyl, but he is really addressing the human condition as it applies to many people. The folks in the video seem a bit extreme in their collecting, to the point where it might even be an addiction. I guess it comes down to who is in control, the collector or the collection.
FitTiBeTieDyed - Thanks for checking the movie out and commenting. Good point about who is in control here. The reason I felt compelled to make the video at this particular moment in my life is because I related to the director's self-analysis in at least one segment when he was questioning his own urge to continuously go to thrift stores regularly and buy tons of really cheap old records (in his case it was Easy Listening and Jewish and German records; in my case, it would be the latest Big Band/early Jazz interest I have acquired). I think it's very much too quickly right now with me, and I have easily accumulated close to 100 old Jazz records in a very short period of time. I am playing the records here - and am actually enjoying the majority of them - so it's not as if I'm buying anything I don't like. I mean I'm not going to stop (LOL!) .. but sometimes it does give me pause for a moment or two. That's only natural.
Well, you've discovered a new genre that yo like. That's bound to lead to the expansion of your collection. Its not the same thing that Zweig was talking about. For me, I try to stay away from the impulse buy. I'm usually pretty focused when buying. For instance, this Sunday I'm heading into Vancouver for the semi-annual record show that is the best one in the area. I'm just going to be looking for Canadian Beatles albums. If something else catches my eye I may grab it, but I need to budget so The Beatles come out on top.
Usually people who say "Get A Life" are dull people who don't have any interests or passion
Simon Bewick completely agree. I've been a Trekkie since I was about 7. do I know it's just a TV show? well yeah but it means a lot to me and always has. anyway I was told for years, often by close family members that if I kept obsessing over Star Trek I wouldn't have a life when I was older. no friends etc. Well I'm married, have 2 kids, own my home, have a few close mates and a few really good mates I met through a local Star Trek club etc. And I still love Trek and watch it quite a bit and read Trek books. people call me sad but I'm not. I'd be sadder if all I did was look at facebook on the bus or lunch break rather than reading a Trek novel.
I have a life and I love it!
Simon Bewisk - Bravo!
new mercury - EXCELLENT comment, and so true! Yours is one of the best replies here.
couldn't have said it better!!
Yes, and aren't they always sitting on their porches and balconies watching squad cars going in and out and whispering and texting about what that could be. They watch reality shows and google the contestants of Dancing with the Stars because enquiring half-minds want to know. Were they in the hospital the day Rosemary Kennedy had her lobotomy and did they get one, too?
It's an amazing documentary. In one part he said he really wants to be a dad. I had to check him out after that. It was lovely to find out that he is now a dad.
What I love here, is how this Man’s collection, behind him, help define his best qualities. Ie, foundation in Beatles, some sense of humour, rooted in cultural identity…reinforced, by the obvious love and passion this man has for collecting, or, becoming a person with an expertise of sorts.
Hi Joe. I just watched the Alan Zweig film and enjoyed it very much. Thanks for the heads up on that. I was heartened to read on wiki that he is now married!
James Griffiths - Not only is Alan married, but he has a daughter as well.
As I said in my response above, good for Alan. And I hope he is sharing his love of music with his daughter. (Especially the Beatles! ha!) Matt
It's an incredible, dark, fascinating documentary. I guess as collectors there are some aspects of the doc that will resonate with us all. Maybe it's the moment when the hunt overtakes the actual listening experience that it becomes a different beast. I've personally found that since I made a conscious decision to start selling off some of my collection to fund buying records that I really want (as opposed to constantly buying on every dig) the whole experience feels somehow a bit healthier.... For me. And I'm much more into my collection now than ever.
Great video joe,i saw that doc when it came out back in the 90's by which time i had already accumalated a few thousand vinyl records! so could empathise with it.i also in my thirst for different music got into many different genres inc easy,jazz,soundtracks,surf,etc but the common thread was that it was all lexciting music and also around this time i also picked up a book on collecting unusual records and from that is taken this quote from one of the collectors in the book''people come over and are surprised;''you've got all this great stuff ,all these records,all these books...''it's very flattering ,but a part of me goes;''you mean other people don't have this stuff?-why live?''so i have lived by that quote ever since and still love the thrill of and sometimes even spiritual nature of finding something new.
RICKY BRUSKE - Great response, thanks.
Hey Joe, Ive just watched this episode with Brad Vinyl Guy and want to congratulate you on addressing this so competently! Given that you had no script ornotes, ratber than being all over the place, we thought you were focused and eloquent in your delivery.
We think of records as an intrinsic part of our lives - music provides a soundtrack to life with each song reminiscent of a place, a person, an event, a smell ... so for us collecting records is like collecting memories and making new memories together as we explore and discover new music and records.
I believe that there is a difference between collecting - even obsessive collecting - and hoarding; collecting is generally harmless, brings joy and purpose to our lives and is a conscious and often goal orientated act whereas hoarding, from what I have read, is a serious mental illness often borne out of trauma and where hoarders often have lost control over their acquisition of items.
Like you we are happy and fulfilled, we have people to love and people who love us and think that record collecting enhances and enriches our lives. Don't let anyone make you feel guilty about your latest record related quest - early big band jazz - enjoy the thrill of discovery and enjoy the music; we plan to continue collecting records and have no plans to 'get a horse' anytime soon!! Take care and have a good week, Byeeeeeee....
That Vinyl Girl - I thank you both for your nice reply. Really appreciate your point of view. I'm glad the video seemed focused to you, as it sure didn't feel like that to me while I was recording it. Cheers!
Joe, You touched on so many of my thoughts, and feelings of being a "Collector". Collecting also gives you a chance to socialize with other people that share your interests. It's fun to share views,and ideas with others. I also believe that "Life is short" as long as your not harming anyone,doing something that brings you joy is celebrating life. I really enjoyed this heartfelt video.Keep collecting and enjoying all the music that makes you happy ! Cindy
Cindy Urban - Well said, thanks!
Collecting music and movies is down right fun. I get enjoyment from the hunt and every once in awhile I find a holy grail that i missed when first released. You also will come across other people doing the same thing you are, and can at least start up a conversation about the music you like and the kind of movies that are of interest to you. My wife that I love dearly does not always know what i am talking about when i am trying discuss film scores with her. I also know exactly what you mean when other people do not have a hobby. Faithful listener Neal.T
Keep doing what makes you happy. We all love your videos and love seeing you do what you love!
Joe I agree with all of what you said. I think it is normal every once in a while to feel that I have overdone it, but obsessing on that just makes you feel worse -- it is better for me just not to worry about it.
I think you have a lot in common with Alan Zweig in that you both come across sincere, brutally honest at at the same time entertaining on camera.
By the way I think that there is a lot more to be said on the subject than was said in "Vinyl". I definitely think there is room for another good documentary on the subject -- "Vinyl 2" and I think you are just the one to make it!
Morpho Polis - I appreciate that, thanks. 90+ % of the time I just go with the flow and don't think anything of it. But in those rare times where I question things, I don't mind expressing it and letting myself show vulnerability.
Excellent video, Mr. Mayo. The way I look at it is this: all men are born with an excessive gene. There is simply a natural tendency to do something in excess of what it is necessary (which we cannot help). Therefore, it's up to us to channel this excessive tendency into something positive. For some people, like John Lennon, it was channelled into guitars and singing. For others, like General Patton, it was channelled into the military. Collecting things is the most common way of dealing with this gene. And collecting records is far more beneficial and benign an activity than, say, collecting guns. Music is mankind's greatest invention. Pity those who cannot share our enthusiasm.
Andrew B - Well said.
Joe we just love music! Collecting is fun!! I don't care what people say about my collecting at do what makes you happy! Take care Joe
As a collector, I understand what you are talking about. I'm watching your video's because I can relate to your passion for The Beatles and for music or vinyl in general. And as most collectors I do spend a lot of time and money on building my record collection. I think it's about a balance between hobby and social functioning. Is buying a record a short lived rush or is it something that You cherish? Does it give You Joy for a long time? Or once in your possession You couldn't care less about it and You feel the urge to go and buy another record?
I remember when my wife and I went on a extended weekend to London. And it was a coincidence That George Harrison and Eric Clapton played a concert that weekend. All tickets had sold out and we had to pay a lot of money to get two tickets. It really was a huge amount. When we returned home everybody told us that it was irresponsible to pay such an amount just to go to a live concert. Now many years later I still think that it was one of the best investments we made. I still can feel happiness seeing George and Eric at that concert and I woudn't sell that experience for all the money in the world.
Obsessive behavior is a complex issue. It always has to do with compensation for a loss / shortage. If you have a hobby and you bring yourself or others at risk, then you have a problem and should seek help. If it brings you happiness, I'd say enjoy it. Live is about experience. As they say; "You won't take nothing with You when You go".... "THINK!"
Jos Housen - I agree with you that the George Harrison/Eric Clapton concert was a great investment. Few of us now can ever say that we got to see George live in concert. These same people who told you that you were supposedly "irresponsible" are probably the same people who'd waste thousands of dollars on cigarettes, candy, or some other crap.
I have watched that documentary, literally, 15 times!! lol What that guy was able to put together with a simple camcorder was amazing!! If you remember a couple of years ago I did a video with the camera pointing at a little mirror and you only saw my reflection in it?..I stole that idea from Alan's documentary lol. It was really was a great piece. Not to mention I was totally in love with the hippie chic with that hairy armpits towards the end lol.
mrhoffame - Yes, I even felt like Alan myself early on in the video, where I was mulling over my thoughts on vinyl. I nearly used a little mirror myself! And yeah, that gal at the end of the film was a real cutie. Love that "Vinyl" documentary ... something warm and yet at the same time offbeat about it!
It really was great stuff. I did a response to this last night.
I get where you are coming from. You are fortunate to have someone in your life that understands your collecting. It can get expensive but one good thing about buying used vinyl is that you can have your passion with little monetary investment. If one is surrounded by friends and family that don't get it (they think it is old fashioned media, taking up too much space, you need to save your money for the future, etc.)that can be tough for the collector. Good discussion you bring up.
franco f - Thanks. My one problem is spending beyond my means at times, though I'm working on improving that.
Collecting anything and listening to music is fun.
I'm in my mid 30's and I'm hooked.
I stick to a budget and give myself rules on my collecting, so it doesnt blow out of control.
take care
Beat Up Record Collector - Well, the "I don't waste money" part I would question, because I definitely spend more than I ought to at times.
i thought you had an entertainment allowance.
do you exceed the allowance frequently?
Beat Up Record Collector - Have you seen my vinyl finds? :)
haha. Do you ever try garage sales around your neighborhood that advertise vinyl records?
I go to garage sales, but rarely do I look them up to see if they specifically advertise records. It's better though to check the internet around the area and see if records are offered, which is better than driving aimlessly around. I did try that a few years ago.
I agree with everything you said. I collect all kinds of records at different times of my life. Like rock n roll, big band , ragtime, classical, like Bach and Vivaldi. Collecting is life. Sometimes we over do it . Recently I been collecting TV DVDs. I know it's an addiction but I enjoy it . You like what you like. It is what it is. Take care Joe !
Adilia Reis - Well said! Take care.
great discussion joe on this topic! there can be so many reasons why we collect and some are easy to figure out and some are way to in depth. the main and simple reason I have ben a record collector since 1976 is for the pure joy of the music and the physical aspect of owning a piece of pop culture lps 45s cassettes and cds from an era in my case 50s and 60s music that will never be repeated. sort of an historic archive of things past and gone for good. my philosophy is if it makes you happy and is not hurting anyone why not! rob
rob balboni - Right on, rob.
vinyl79 - Sorry to hear that for you.
I think as humans, we need something to occupy our spare time to stimulate our brains. People who are unable to do this either end up really depressed or crazy. Like you said, people who just go to work and sleep, or retired people without a passionate hobbies go nuts in no time. So whatever people do, whether it is collecting, reading, gardening, exercise, travel, etc, etc, these are things that make us want to live and be alive. Can we go overboard with collecting? sure, but the majority of us have the ability to see when that line is crossed.
I enjoyed your thoughtful video Joe. Although you seemed a bit melancholy as if you are questioning you own need to collect your video was very interesting and I plan on watching the movie by Alan Zweig. Collecting of anything can become obsessive. There's certainly a healthy level as well as an unhealthy level to any obsession, or, passion in life. To me, so long as the collecting, or whatever one's passion is doesn't get in the way of keeping a job, paying your bills, living responsibly, having healthy relationships with friends and family, or, a "significant other" that you care about, I think it's ok. It's your life, live it the way you feel best. So long as it's not hurting you or others, keep collecting man. Still, I do think everyone hits that point where they may hit a saturation point. Where the collecting is not fun, but rather a burden. I certainly did. For awhile I became a collector over the years from Beatles records to Pez dispensers as well as other things . But, after awhile I just didn't have the time, nor did I want to sacrifice the money to keep collecting. I have a home to pay for and I felt that was more important to me. My real passion is art and painting anyway, so I do have that to keep me going. But, I just reached my limit with collecting. Still, I find myself occasionally buying something that I need to have to display in my home. But, that's rare. I do think it is important to ask one's self "why am I collecting all of this?" Why do I need all of this? Do I need to have all of this in my possession?? Maybe collecting fills a void for some people. If so, so what. I think it goes back to what I first stated. So long as the collecting doesn't alienate you from the world, loved ones, or reality, I think it's a healthy past time. I sometimes watch two shows on cable TV, "American Pickers", and "Hoarders". Both shows exhibit people that collect but also those that just cannot get rid of things. Most of what I see on "Pickers" is healthy while what I see displayed on "Hoarders" is unhealthy. There is a sort of mental illness, or distortion involved by the people shown on "Hoarders" . However, many of the people that collect items on the show "Pickers" collect things and take pride in their collections. Occasionally they'll sell off pieces of their collection to the two host of the show, which, is healthy. On the other hand, you have other people that collect things but store them similar to the people on the show "hoarders". They just toss things in big barns like garbage to where it's ceiling high and you can't even walk in a house or building cuz so much is piled up. This, I don't get. This I find highly unhealthy. Certainly Joe, you are the former. You have a passion and you care about what you collect and you keep in organized. It's obvious, you love the search. You love the art of the vinyl records, music, as well as other things. So, be it. You are perfectly healthy and normal. Still, only you can determine if and when you have a limit to your collecting. It is nice that you have a girlfriend that supports you. Keep doing what you are doing. As I said, it's your life.
I collect vinyl, video games, and Star Wars and Batman comic books. I don't hurt anyone, and my wife and kids don't go without anything. Do I spend to much? Sometimes! But I view this things as my pension, and I am willing to bet it out performs the stock market! And I get to enjoy this stuff until then. Love your videos mate, Steve
steve coffey - Thanks.. and well stated!
As long as you have the space and it doesn't get out of hand. Keep collecting! It's what brings you joy! You're also lucky to have an understanding spouse. Some less fortunate collectors are sometimes given the ultimatum "it's me or the collection!" I've known more than a few collectors that have been in that situation.
Steve Derda ...My lady is very understanding, yes. If she wasn"t I would have moved on past her a loonnng time ago. Ever since I was a kid my hobbies have been very vital to me. Now let's just say I hope she never expects me to make a choice. ;)
Your video got me thinking Joe. What you discussed in your video would make a great roundtable discussion. Would love to see some musical artists(both famous and not so famous) sit with a diehard collectors, as well as maybe a psychologist, etc and just discuss the idea of collecting physical media. The need for it, is it important, etc. etc. Not to get off the track, but today I met an old friend out at a bar and we were discussing vinyl records cuz recently I've been listening to my old records. My friend has completely given up on vinyl and doesn't care about them. But, he does collect alot of cd's and has a huge collection. I thought I had a lot but he out does me by quite a bit. Anyway, I mentioned to him about your video discussing McCartney's "Flowers in the Dirt" release and how some of the songs will only be allowed to be downloaded. In your video you mentioned that it's really just our generation that still cares about the collecting the physical media anymore. Not that there isn't people from a younger generation collector cuz there are. Rockboy is certainly one of them. Still, I tend to agree with you that our generation really cares about collecting the physical media. For the most part, kids today seem to care more about just having the downloaded media that I think will become forgettable and easily disposable. Anyway, we then had a good laugh cuz I brought up the idea about how in the old days(20, 30, 40 years ago) you could walk into just about anyone's home and there would be bookshelves with books(now people are downloading them), a record or cd player with a record or cd collection. Also, there would be a video collection by the tv. Nowadays with everyone carrying things in a little box where most things are just downloaded or streamed it seems most people don't collect anymore. In fact, putting large flat screen tv's on the wall has even replaced the need for artwork on the wall, much to my dismay. So now, I can picture homes with no book shelves, no records, cd's or any physical musical media other than an Ipod, or a computer, and no artwork on the wall. How boring is that? Just blank, blank, blank. Hell, I love that fact I still have old board games from my youth stored in the closet as opposed to video games. Anyways, keep up the videos and the collecting Joe. As I've said to Mr Heaton, I appreciate the passion and thoughtfulness you put into your videos.
nowhereman64 - I loved your thoughtful response - thanks. Regarding sitting down with record collectors and a psychologist, the only trouble with that is I personally think the psychologist usually is the one who could use a psychologist. ... I know what you mean about "blank" homes without anything on the walls, and no bookshelves, etc - that would be pathetic .. what's the point of owning and displaying NOTHING except an iPod?
I am thankful I am not as extreme on collecting. I am selective only because I fear that if I keep buying and buying and buying I will never appreciate what I have or even have the time to listen. I've found for myself less is truly more. When I get into this trap of getting as much as I can I find it pretty empty. I get your feeling that you are going through.
S. Jackson - Only fleetingly. Sometimes less is more, sometimes more is even better. Only we can know for ourselves and make that decision. I am also selective - if I weren't I'd be buying any record ever recorded by any artist, of any genre.
I collect records because of memories I have of records perking up my life as a kid, especially with scoliosis. Whatever gets you through your life, it's all right.
Vinyl was a great doc. Collecting musical recordings becomes a singular pursuit in which nobody else will ever be on board with you.
I'm not sure why you made the video, Joe; you seem to be a grounded person who is very self-aware and has healthy relationships outside of the things you collect. You even allude to that in your video.
I watched the Zweig video years ago. Here's my take, and one thing you have to understand is that I'm a dog person.
At the beginning of the video he talked about his dog getting ready to pass away. IIRC his dog was older so he probably knew about this for some time. When you're a dog person, this colors how you see almost everything, and the sadness is simply going to bleed through, and IIRC the documentary was very sad. I think it was a film by a very introspective person who was about to lose his best friend and who didn't have a significant other human in his life. He was probably a crushed human being before he pressed 'record' for the first time.
I made my first VC video roughly 6 or 8 months after I intended to start because I was dealing with my best dog ever having cancer that I knew couldn't be cured. It just rocks you. It was a few years ago at this point and I've got tears flowing just typing about it. I think Zweig was having a hard time in life at the time he made that movie, and it shows.
Best, Tom
High Rant District - Thanks for your heartfelt input, Tom. You're correct that I am indeed self-aware and have healthy relationships outside of this hobby; I only made the video because it was the rare mood I was in and I don't mind being vulnerable if it's honest. I do think the fact that Alan Zweig was having personal difficulties at this time really adds to the impact of the film. For me, anyway. I am as interested in his own plight as I am in the subjects he talks to.
Really interesting discussion, I'm going to have to check this documentary out.
I collect stuff also and it keeps me sane. It's part of who I am. It takes all sorts to make a world and this is our way of doing it. Great video.
From what I've had jammed down my throat, one version of this proverbial life I have yet to get is to be married with children in the suburbs, and to go to church, to get involved in a church group, maybe I might meet some normal people, according to the source.
I was asked by my sister, who'd turned me onto the Beatles in the first place, "aren't you a little too old for the Beatles?" Uh, SHE is married with children in the suburbs and is involved in the church she goes to.
ClarenceFisher - Whatever works for whomever. Too bad it sounds like your sister outgrew the Beatles though.
As popeye said "I am what am, and that's all that I am". Good video, subbing because I'm a vinyl junkie.
If this is the film I'm thinking of I confess that some of these collectors left me shaking my head .I suppose I can understand the bitterness felt by the guy who went through a nasty divorce , and in an act of pure savage spite , his wife demanded a portion of his record collection despite having no interest in music or records . ( She might have wanted the whole thing . I can't recall , and I don't want to watch it again to do any fact checking . ) But , the guy that really turned me off was a rather petulant fellow that had records all over his apartment to the point that walking around was a hazard . Unfortunately , Mr. Zweig accidentally kicked a pile of records , which was somewhat unavoidable , and this collector became even more petulant and downright inconsolable . I guess the film , ( in some instances ) , brought into sharp focus the ' sad ' side of this hobby , and in too many cases , I didn't like what I saw .
Enjoyed the video. I too have watched Zweig's video several times and can relate to the people in it. I also can relate to your thoughts and opinions as well as how you feel at times about collecting music. Most of the time I am happy with my collecting of records, CDs and audio gear. However, there are times I question the amount I have amassed over the years. Especially when moving! My thought is that music collecting is no different then any other type of collecting or hobby. It can turn into an addiction or obsession that could be unhealthy. Some examples I can think of are as follows. When it interferes with relationships with your friends, family or your spouse. When it creates a financial burden. When it consumes all of your time. When your collection takes over your living space that you have lost the use of your living space for everyday living and\or makes it unsafe. Sometimes it can be a fine line from it being a "hobby" and a obsession or addiction. If it is an addiction, the trap is one can find many, many ways to justify it to themselves as well as others. On a side note, in this day in age your going to find people looking at this hobby as wasteful. This is due some in our society looking to push a minimalist or little to no possessions lifestyle.
83Roboto - Well one thing I certainly don't care about are the people who don't understand the hobby or think it's "wasteful" - this is their problem, not ours. Yes, all those things you've listed here can be problematic.. but we can only decide for ourselves if we've gone too far, or if our lives are somehow uncomfortably affected. I maintain that it's all about being HAPPY. If you're content, happy, amused - it's all good, I think.
The train in the background reminds me of The Blues Brothers. Jake: "How often does the Train go by?" Elwood: "So often you won't even notice!"
Hello Joe, boy I could ramble on and on with his video but I will keep it short as I can. I truly love your Beatles finds, finds of all kinds, Elvis, and now your interest in big band. What you say about "get a life" is so right between the eyes! do they mean a life like theirs? Or are they jealous cause there life is hollow etc. etc..I have limited funds myself and a relative that was with me record shopping and I already knew what I could buy and couldn't, I had a jimmy smith root down album in my hand I wanted it and my relative came over and said don't you already have some jimmy smith? Well I do Joe but they made me feel like I shouldn't spend my limited funds on an artist I already HAD!! So I put it back and checked a few weeks after the incident and it was gone😶. These are some of my favorite videos that you do. Thanks and keep collecting-- Lis
L.E. - Hey Lisa, I loved the passion in your reply. Glad you liked watching the video, as I sometimes like to talk about things in addition to just showing the records. And always feel free to 'ramble on' and give your thoughts! Cheers!
I often wonder if I'd be satisfied with just my existing collection and be able to stop acquiring any more vinyl. From a musical standpoint......perhaps.....as my collection covers most of the stuff I enjoy listening to. But kicking the "search and hunt" addiction and social interaction with other collectors at record stores, shows , thrifts etc., ain't easy and something I could probably never give up.
Steve Derda - Same here. I love the searching, hunting, good bargains. Nothing wrong with enjoying yourself there.
Record collecting is like any other habit or obsession in life.. if it makes you happy and is not harmful to you or anyone else then I don't see how it can be a bad thing. If it would start to intrude on work or family, then maybe it could be a problem but I agree life is too short.
Don't worry it's normal im a big Beatles collector if you enjoy it than it's okay
A bit of logic may help here. It's impossible to make the people you love happy without being it yourself. So if our record collecting , assuming it stays in the realm of a healthy budget and quality family time, just does that.....where could be the problem ? Isn't real love about wanting the other to be happy ? So it works both ways. But true....most people consider us as eccentrics or even worse. I still can recall the way my future mother-in-law looked at me when entering my music room for the first time. I'm sure she feared the worst for her daughter. And yes...our society is so wonderfully good at inducing guilt. We won't get fooled again. Thank you for making me aware again we do have a wonderful hobby.
francis borms - Thanks for your great comment.
I watched the documentary on youtube recently, it sort of made me re-evaluate my record collecting. Even though I'm no where near the level of the people in this film. I guess it's important to sort of look at this not as a blanket criticism on people who like records and rather a sort of look at where this rabbit hole can lead if you aren't careful. It's sort of like that Brazilian guy who has a huge warehouse to store his record collection and he's got so many records that he's got a staff just to organise it. It sort of sounds really cool at first but there is something almost tragic about it. He's got more records than probably he could listen to in his lifetime even some of these other collectors could be in that position. In the documentary he talks about a compulsion to make tapes for the sake of making tapes. It is sort of interesting to think about these lines and where is too much too much. Is buying a pile of records a bad thing if you're going to actually going to listen to that pile of records. Does it make it a bad thing if the only reason you bought that pile of records is so you can own a pile of records. That one guy who talked about having to move records around to go to sleep at night, and how it wouldn't have taken much effort to buy some cheap shelves or something to get them off the floor says something about the level of his collecting impulsion.
Craig Bickerstaff - I go back and forth on this all the time, from thinking it's okay to thinking it's extreme at times. But 90% of the time I just feel it's all about happiness, pleasure, and contentment. So if a person loves playing records and listening to them for pleasure, that's great ... but also, if a person just wants to have a warehouse full of piles and piles of records that he can't listen to in his lifetime but instead gains a good feeling just having the collection in the warehouse and organizing it or walking around it - this is fine too. As long as they're actually gaining some satisfaction and enjoyment out of whatever they do - and are not harming anyone else - that means they're having a fun and content life. I only think it's a problem when you're uncomfortable and something causes you discomfort or misery.
Great video and subject matter.Sounds like you have a great lady there too.I sold my Beatles collection once like you and have been slowly building back my collection.I enjoy finding something that I once had.It does take you back to a certain point in your life sometimes.If it makes you happy and doesn't create any other problems it isn't a problem then.Life is too short.
sailor sam - Sounds like we're on the same page.
good luck all the record-collectings keep up with all the good work
Hey Joe, this video should go viral! I really feel sorry for a whole generation that owns and collects nothing because everything they have is on their phone or tablet. They have no idea what it is like to physically own, and therefore, care for things. Everything is disposable, and too easy. If they want to hear a song: Type-click-song. If they want to watch a film or show:
Type-click-show. "Oh, Netfix doesn't have that anymore, then I can't watch it. I'll have to watch (listen) to something else." That's just sad. Take care Joe...
Tim Allen - All I can say is "Ditto", Tim . But at least - as is in evidence right here in the Vinyl Community - we often see youngers of the new generation who do like to collect and own 'stuff' !
Ditto...and there are tons of younger people here and not here that are awesome, well-adjusted kids who are collecting music and vinyl. Matt
hey joe, I enjoy u videos and think you communicate very well, this is a habit, as I said in my last video funnily enough, like any habit u need balance...if u keep u relationships up and stay within budget (space not so important ) then it's a awesome habit...music is therapy, I love digging.....live the life
There is an alternate cut of the movie which Zweig made and traveled it around a bit to theatres, mostly in Toronto. I cannot find it anywhere, but would LOVE to watch it. I was told it focuses differently than the obsessive aspect of the original film, but either way I would watch it multiple times. I'm hoping someone will give him money to release it more widely. I try to turn people onto this movie as well (In subreddits or whatever). Despite what one thinks about it, it is a study in Vinyl collecting. Just FYI. There are two other documentaries he did using the same self-camcorder method: I, Curmudgeon (2004) and Loveable (2007). All of his movies are worth watching. In case you haven't read much about him recently, he did finally get married and has a child now. (Something he laments about in all the early films)
MicrophonicFool - I have seen the "I, Curmudgeon" documentary. I have not seen the other one. Thanks..
Joe, for the first minute or so I said, "Gee Joe seems drowsy. Maybe he's been up all night or something." But as time went on I was completely hooked in. it's as if you were channeling my thoughts. I'm dead serious. The main point being, what gives anyone the right to judge my "life", my happiness or joy ? As long as we are happy today, that we tried to be a kind, good person...then our lives are just as fulfilling as anyone else's. I don't consider being a Beatles fan and collecting a "vice". For me it brings me fun, joy, and peace. And more importantly new friends such as you. And I guarantee everyone here has other joys in their lives. Such as, family, friends, other activities they pursue and enjoy, hobbies. So you're right on target, we HAVE a life! Good lives...the naysayers should be so lucky! Peace and Friendship, Matt
Mathew Street - Beautifully said, Matt. And you certainly are a great guy.
As I type this, I'm watching the Zweig film....I will let you know my thoughts at some point. Thanks friend...
Mathew Street - When you hear Alan Zweig's dreary delivery as he examines himself in the mirror, that's what I was going for in my video where I first sounded down.
Finished the film. While I respect what Zweig was trying to do, I must say he clearly went for a particular negative slant with the film. Perhaps that was due to his own self loathing. He was very down and held negative views on his own vinyl collecting. Or maybe he went negative because if he had made it a positive film about the joys of collecting, no one would care. Either way I do not begrudge him for making the film the way he wanted to. But he only showed the one narrow view. I could make the same type film and interview people showing the joyousness of Beatles/ music collecting. I could show folks doing what we do and still living complete, fulfilling lives outside of record collecting. I've met many here and I consider myself a happy, fulfilled person also. Am I perfect, no, not by any means. But I am happy and having fun and also enjoying life...as most of us are. So thanks for the entertaining film Mr. Zweig, it just doesn't speak for many of us. All the best, Matt Street
Mathew Street - Thanks for checking it out, Matt. Yes, his film angle is a negative view of the mentality of some collectors. I am basically like you - I don't consider myself mal-adjusted as most people in Zweig's film, even though at rare times I (like my video here) I take a pause just as anyone might, naturally. I think what you say here about presenting a more "upbeat" version of VINYL is very important. If you search around in these very comments, I believe Alan Zweig himself has watched my video and has commented right here about the possibilities of doing a sequel. He is under a screen name here of Fred Neechee. We talked a bit about people who have wanted a follow-up movie from him for years, and he acknowledged that today so many young people love and collect vinyl, so he wouldn't know what "hook" to shoot for in a sequel. But from reading your comments here, it seems to me that simply making a sequel that could contrast the first film by going from "the dark side" to "the brighter side" might be a hook in itself.
I'm going to watch this documentary now
dgmcl3284 - Let me know what you think of it.
Hi Joe, hope you had a good Christmas! Sorry but Im a bit late to the party on this one. I just can't help think that the VC encourages the collecting especially for those who make the videos. Sometimes I think people look at a record and think that would be a good one to show on the video so they buy it otherwise they wouldn't if they were not making videos. I'm sure, however, watching people's videos encourages the "I want, I want" in people. "He has it so I have to have it." I know since watching the VC my record buying is starting to go out of control. What are your thoughts on this? Have a good new year!
Richard McCook - To be honest, I sometimes think this is true about buying "some" records just for the sake of the video channel.I mean, I am definitely NOT going to buy just any record that I don't want at all just to make a video - but the channel does fuel the desire to get more records, too.
I found that documentary very raw, I don't think it was just about collecting, some of them people had wrecked their life chances. Could be record or bottle tops, doesn't matter
It's up to them as to what makes them happy in life.
It can feel obsessive at times. But my fiancé reminds me. I don't smoke do drugs and rarely drink. So just enjoy.
Sad Wings of Extasy - That's exactly what I say.
Enjoyed your video, Joe. Great discussion topic. I will be watching the documentary- thanks for the heads up. While there is just collecting for collecting's sake or to enjoy the music I do think there are sometimes underlying reasons. I have a vinyl collection and a CD collection and a movie collection and now my son has a CD collecting habit too. (I've had other collections in my lifetime- baseball and football cards, Big Little books, stamps, Matchbox cars, Star Wars figures, etc.)That got me thinking. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder runs in my family and I realized that it probably fits in. You find something that you like and then you obsess about (it's a lot of what you think about) and you compulsively buy what your obsessed about until you have a huge collection. Where does it end? I was into movies and I amassed a huge collection, I got onto Disney lore and collected everything I could find then I discovered vinyl. The superior sound quality is what started it but now I find myself stopping at record stores even when I'm not looking for anything "just to see what they have" and I always buy something. Now that I'm into vinyl I find myself buying and watching less movies and even purging parts of my collection because "do I really need ALL these movies?" When or will my vinyl inclinations end and then what? I acquired so many records so fast that now I feel like I have enough but yet I still keep looking. So I think the OCD has something to do with it but I also enjoy it (most of the time). These are just my current thoughts and I do agree that we should enjoy our lives by doing what makes us happy. But where do we draw the line between enjoyment and obsession?
Vinyl Victim - All questions which only we ourselves can answer, I guess. I also have a huge movie collection, and am trying to watch a lot of it on a regular basis. I just don't like having 1000 DVDs and not watching them.
I've watched it enough to practically memorize parts of it. I was inspired by it. Characters are what keeps life interesting. Most people are boring. Yah, you could be in it :D
Richard Riley - I'd be happy to be in a sequel to VINYL, if Alan Zweig ever wanted to make another updated version. He's certainly got a built-in audience for it already.
I watched "Vinyl", it was nice to see someone else who collects, ANYTHING. I personally think we're substituting collecting for a maybe more nefarious habit, be it drinking, smoking, gambling or whatever. Books, inparticular, are my habit. I recently donated over 1,000 books to a charity, and STILL have at least that many left. It was very cathartic.
Doug Schwarz - Collecting is a far less destructive habit.
..................... WOW ....................... Good thought ? ............
I can agree here 100%.
I collect Elvis stuff, I been collecting Elvis stuff since I started loving Elvis, it makes me happy when I go to the store and see Elvis stuff, I buy it and enjoy it, display it in my house and buy more stuff, you collecting is amazing, I hope you don't shop collecting cause is a hobby to be happy about. 👍🏼👍🏼😀
Melissa Ordonez - I'll never stop collecting; it is in my blood! I'm glad you love Elvis so much, and I thank you for supporting my channel, Melissa.
What I liked best is Your "what is a life" question. So many People say, get a life to People on internet threads and seamingly always assuming the person they are talking to has never done and will never do anything of true value. Do they not know that the most accomplished of People also comment on youtube videos.
Mr. Mayo, I appreciate your video, and i do think that, as you said, that people all have different things they are passionate about and I think you will find Brandon aka Mrhoffame video response to your video very encouraging!!!!!
Bennie DJ - Yes, I had watched Brendan's video and I did feel we are on the same page. Thanks.
Great video Joe. I have friends who are sniffy about my vinyl collecting who often talk about the merits of Spotify etc, implying that there is something sad and unnecessary about purchasing physical records. I don't know, maybe they're right, but I do often end up thinking how dull it must be to interact with music on that level. We are vinyl bores in the eyes of the world maybe, but what excitement are these other people having really? Some people don't understand what it means to have a passion. I guess in that sense it's a little a religious belief or supporting a football team. You either know what its like and need it in your life, or you don't. But if you don't it's easy to finger point at those who do. When I'm filing records or listening to records, what are these people doing? Maybe they're out riding their horses, or maybe they're just sat there watching Tv. I guess the secret is to say live and let live and not to make value judgements about what others are doing.
James Griffiths - Well, anyone can have their opinion. For example, I think it's those people who are NOT interested in physical items and who rely on Spotify and other such empty means of getting their music who are the sad ones, not us. To each their own, as they say.
Good talk🙏🏻
You don't have to get a live, just live a live, thats all. I saw the movie, I did not like it because it shows the dark side of collecting. I always collected something, I had a big pipe collection, one of the best known to the world and I sold everything because I quit smoking, now I collect records. Do I compensate? Yes I do, but there is nothing wrong with it, if you find something to compensate than you are even. If collecting compensates something I miss and I can fill it with collecting, it is not empty anymore, it is compensated, good. And now I continue to live my live.
Interesting movie and interesting opinions! I have put together a respons for it! :)
JorgenS - Thanks. I'm watching it now.
This seems pretty important to you. I'll go watch the movie and let you know my impressions.
FitToBeTieDyed - Hope you'll enjoy it - but it's nearly 2 hours!
''Are you pouring out your heart or your liver'' as Ed Norton once told Ralph Kramden? : D You seemed a bit worried or sad? I hope you are not questioning your reasons for collecting. I don't see a hoarder, your room looks organized. Though in some videos back, you were ridding of a lot of records and focusing on the artists which mean the most to you. In recent weeks you've bought outside that box again. You seem happy with the recent purchases, Jazz, Vicki Lawrence etc, but will they get you back to before, when you got rid of the Sinatra albums? I think we all tend to do this from time to time. As a vinyl collector since the late 70's I always took care of my records and never got rid of most of my collection. Back in 2003 I put all my vinyl in the closet and focused on CD's ( Been purchasing CD's since 1991) when they stopped releasing most vinyl in the states. Two year ago I took my vinyl out and have been inspecting all of it since. A few had a scratched song, a few the shrink wrap was torn and I've spent my time replacing these with mint/sealed copies of Ebay. And it has been kind of an expensive thing. Because many are harder to find sealed...an original Kate Bush - The Hounds Of Love for example. I had to pay a pretty penny for a sealed 1985 original copy to replace my scratched copy. I still can't just buy open copies without knowing for sure that they are mint. My records have to be mint or I can't add them to my collection. Some people say this is strange and a waste of money. I know this, but I can't purchase used albums unless they are still in shrink and if hype sticker and inner sleeves and vinyl is minty. I've bought maybe 4 open albums in the last 2 years. Thankfully albums from the 1960's and 1970's were my dads and he took good care of them, so I don't need to purchase those or I'd be in trouble. But there is an element of excitement when you know there is only one sealed, original copy on Ebay from a certain act and you win. Ir's a big accomplishment to the vinyl collector, almost like a sport. I'm an organized collector , but my thing is I don't just buy vinyl, but Blu-rays, Classic Hollywood magazines, books, memorabilia. Classic TV shows and films, so I'd say I have a collection that is growing but it makes me happy-it's a passion. I was collecting comic books when I was a kid-that passion ended long ago. I'm responsible when it comes to rent, bills and food. I admit I need to cut back some. I am also buying a lot of current vinyl releases by my fave acts from the 1960's-1980's as well. I think I'd worry if things were piling on top of furniture, by the open spaces at home or collecting dust, like hoarders who buy and just throw it somewhere to collect dust. Now I'm the one pouring out my heart and liver here!!! I'll stop here! but if it makes us happy and not hurting anyone and like you say life is so short, why not have things that make us happy around us, then keep collecting! I'm going to watch the documentary in full. I've viewed clips.
Robert NYGUY - Good observation about those Frank Sinatra records I recently sold off. And do you know what? I have recently accumulated MORE Frank Sinatra records --- oh yes. It's true. Check out a future video I will be making with more finds. I still have unloaded something like 50% of the Sinatra 12" LP records I didn't want which I used to have; the ones I now bought are 7" and 10" discs. .... Yes, I was sort of in a melancholy mood when I shot this video, but it's already passed and I'm excited about the collection. I enjoyed your entire comment, thanks.. and also thanks for the Honeymooners reference. I hope I wasn't too much of a blaaabbbberrrmouth by pouring out my heart and liver.
Hope your mood picked up. We all have those melancholy days, especially when we think back to people no longer with us and those moments spent with them. I'll look forward to the new Sinatra video. I have a few of his CD's and some great photo books on the crooner and of course his films on Blu-ray and DVD. The Honeymooners always lift ones spirit. I'm lucky to still have my folks. As a child I used to jump into my folks bed and watch the reruns with them on WPIX. Recently mom visited and told me she was watching some episodes on cable. Have a great weekend Joe.
How interesting! I discovered and watched the "Vinyl" documentary on youtube about a week ago. I was surprised to see your posting about the movie... Synchronicity I suppose...
I found the documentary disturbing and depressing as well as emotional and entertaining at times. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and hording are common problems. I feel much the same as you where I can relate to Alan Zweig's personal commentaries about record collecting. Not sure whether the characters were real or just actors playing parts, but the situations shown in the film seemed very real!
There are passionate extremes to every hobby and every lifestyle. If nothing else, Mr. Zweig has given us something to ponder and talk about.
oddboxTopper - Oh I'm pretty positive these people are real collectors, not actors. Yes, very introspective pondering when watching this film.
@@MeanMrMayo yes, all very real people , most from the Toronto area.....I have run into many of them.
ay joe are you getting the sgt peppers super deluxe box set I cant wait
Lee Maloney - For sure.
Great vid Joe! I've started collecting records because it's fun! It's got me back into music! With most of our advances as humans we've made! Are we any better off? I sometimes think we've lost more than what we've gained! ✌🏻👏🏻👍🏻🇦🇺😃
OompahRoundabout - Amen!
addiction is a real issue.
CastelDawn - For some people it sure can be (like Linus and his blanket). In my case, not at all .. it's just fun and an enhancement to my life. True and dangerous addiction is not a good thing, it has a negative influence on our lives.
I see myself as a collector more like yourself. I have certain artists that are my 'Premier League', Queen, The Beatles, Rolling Stones,Led Zeppelin, David Bowie. Then there are certain genres that I like and collect. Some of the guys in the documentaries and in some cases the YT vinyl community just seem to buy anything with no real quality control or knowledge about the record. Almost buying for the sake of buying. That is more of a hoarding mentality.
Arthur Lager - Yes, I think it sounds like you and I are similar in our collecting pattern. Though presently I have been investing sort of half-blindly into a new genre for me which I know little about (early Jazz). Since this type of records are so cheap, there is little risk in my getting many and sampling them - and keeping the good stuff, and forgoing the bad. I am starting to learn what type of early Jazz and musicians are for me, and which ones aren't.
But there's nothing wrong with that, you have a certain road that you are exploring. Some of these guys are piling up Bing Crosby next to Metallica next to Celine Dion to Public Enemy, which is ok if you have really eclectic tastes but I just get the impression they are just buying stuff for the sake of it. Your collection looks really cared for and orderly. There was a programme on over here in the UK last year, where this old guy filled six flats with cds and employed two members of staff to catalogue them. He doesn't even listen to them, he listens to the radio! Sheer madness.
Arthur Lager - I just started getting into Nat King Cole and Burl Ives.
I do the same. Since being a teenager most of my favourite bands have been hard rock, Def Leppard , Guns N' Roses etc. At the moment I am on a 60s kick and I am researching The Kinks and Small Faces albums albums I don't already have and collecting them excites me. Next month it could be 80s electronic bands or Soundtracks that are my big kick, but each one will be listened to and lovingly filed into my collection. Whereas some of these guys look like they go to a thrift store and pile up any old shit and not really listen to it.
Me thinks he doth protest too much....Amazing documentary!!!
Watched it maybe 20 years ago?. from memory he focused on 'dysfunctional' collectors, music somewhat secondary. Some of it was very amusing, or darkly farcical, or tragic perhaps. The chap who had 150 or so versions of an Elvis song, for example. Is buying repackaged versions of often unremarkable songs a good use of the planets resources, ....maybe not!
jaco russell I hope Joe doesn't collect every variation of Yoga Is As Yoga Does!
Enrico Sanchez - As many variations as I can find!
Collecting Yoga vinyls might be missing the point of Yoga, one of which is to to free the body-mind from the need to have 150 versions of pop songs in your living room, and no room to ''stretch out''.
jaco Russell - It's all about what makes us - not anyone else - happy. PERIOD.
Is that a George Harrison poster I see ?
Music Mania - Yup.
Here, here! you are comfortable in your skin, a rare and beautiful thing.
To me, it seemed the director was the sick one, what with the rats darting in and out of his record collection. He probably was out to find people sicker than himself in order to boost his own self esteem, but I doubt he accomplished this. I liked the scene where the guy said, "For me, it's about listening to the music, not the collecting". The director seemed saddened by this. I'm sure he'd be bitterly disappointed with your organized collection and immaculate home. This film reminds me of the Paul Williams documentary, "Still Alive", where the director first is on a mission to "help" his subject, then starts to realize that maybe he himself is the one in need of help from Paul Williams.
TrustMe,I'mBlack - Interesting take on the documentary.
Hey Joe, thanks for putting together this video about exploring our obsessions. It took me a couple of weeks to watch the documentary and mull over what I watched; but finally put out a response video. Hope you're doing well.
th-cam.com/video/z-czdNyZgEk/w-d-xo.html
vinyl and bro's before ho's
I think you're approaching it as if it's a vice. Appreciating art isn't a vice, it's part of human nature.
Adam Hinds - True. I know that's the way it come off in this particular video because it was a rare mood I was in, but in fact I'm proud of my collecting. If this is indeed a "vice", then I'm very happy to have it.
I think I agree with what you said, as long as you're happy and you're not harming anyone else, do you. If someone else has a problem with what I am doing, I won't deal with them. You only get 100 years max, may as well do what you enjoy, f*** everyone else.
Adam Hinds - Well said! Enjoy what you like for as long as you can! In the end it isn't very long.
U sound stoned mayo.lol. great video
simon seymour - That was the idea.
Your defense is just crazy. It's okay I overeat because at least I don't overdrink? It's okay I buy records because I don't buy hummels? The idea that we all have issues is okay is a way to absolve us of personal responsibility for our actions... It is one thing why the documentary is so good - he recognizes that when he delves head on into his collecting, he is actually trying to remove himself from the reality around himself - he is insulating plus trying to regain control of his life by sublimating with his hobby. The simple answer is, yes, we should do what makes us happy (as long as it doesn't affect others) - but too much of anything is never good. Passion can become obsession - and that is never good either.
dixielandfarm - Wow Kris, I really had to check three or four times to make sure this was really you - only because it reads as though you were personally insulted, or I struck a nerve or something. Yes I think overeating is bad, but less harmful than, say, using Heroin. The reason I mentioned here that everyone has issues to one degree or another was actually my way of saying "yo, if you wanna criticize, why not look in the mirror?". It's completely human nature - NONE of us is without some kind of flaw, even be it smaller than another's. Sure, I'll occasionally ponder (as I do in this vid) if I'm going too far too fast - it's only natural to question oneself if you're a rationally thinking person - although I do think that the self reflection is sometimes due to the societal conditioning around us. ... So despite my occasional doubting a mere 10% of the time, I'm very happy 90%, and that's what matters first and foremost to me. We're only on Earth a very short time - so I say go for it and amuse yourself! .....In the documentary, sure Zweig may be insulating himself with his records and dulling the misery around him, but that is also preferable to drugs or drink, I feel. So we can largely agree to both agree and (not totally) disagree.
The one thing that is telling is that, and this isn't made a big deal of in the movie, is that he is friends with Harvey Pekar, who is in the movie (he is the one who mentions Alan's weight, that he was getting fatter) - if you read Harvey's stuff, or the teaming of him and Robert Crumb, you get this ennui and self-loathing/deprecating thing that is obviously going on - a particular New York trait (which I have and is SO out of place down here where I live)... Living in ones mind can be a bad place sometimes - overthinking anything and everything... Crumb/Pekar had a great comic about record collecting that gets to the NEED to hunt and have, which I'm sure you have seen (or at least part of)...
dixielandfarm - Yes, I knew that guy was Harvey Pekar (who I'd only heard of several years ago due to the movie AMERICAN SPLENDOR)... even though he is not identified on screen while he's talking. He was an odd duck. Yes, since living in one's mind can be a bad place sometimes, THAT'S where hobbies come in to help us forget our cares.
You should get a horse! I'm very flattered but that doesn't say it This is probably my favorite ever reaction to a film I've made. I didn't get to finish it because I'm up in the Arctic and the wifi connection is a bit slow. but when I get home I'm going to savor this. thanks again mr mayo from a guy whose real name is not Fred Neechee.
Fred Neechee - If you're the guy I think you are, I am really honored. Having watched "Vinyl" many times, it's something that is in my psyche now and then - but in a good, warm and fuzzy kind of way. Would love to hang out and talk one day. By the way, I know people have wanted a sequel to "Vinyl", and while I realize that a director does not like repeating himself, the time is ripe out there with the current resurgence of the format. Thanks so much for your comment. (PS - I also loved and related to "I, Curmudgeon" - but that's another video!).
yes sorry I'm not here under my own name, I tried to respond and it turned out i had a few different pseudonyms here and this was the only one where I could remember the password. But it's me. As for the sequel idea, I did make an alternate version a number of years ago, thinking it would make a great DVD extra but there was no DVD ever. The alternate version is feature length also, using all different material, some with the same characters such as the K-Tel guy and it's way less of me, and way more just about record collecting. This year I'm going to try and put it on youtube. As far as a real sequel goes, I dismissed the idea for years but lately I've been considering it, though i still don't know what the hook would be other than "look how old I've gotten and how expensive records are getting". I have met lots of younger collectors lately and I see more of the fun of it in them, than the obsessive thing I spoke about in Vinyl, and I'm trying to figure out how to make a film about that. but unfortunately showing a bunch of people loving their records may be something that only a bunch of other people loving their records would appreciate, if you know what I mean. there's SO much stuff about that on youtube, maybe I should leave it to people like yourself.
Fred Neechee - I certainly would love to see the alternate version. Please be sure to let me know if it ever gets onto TH-cam. I'm so glad to hear you've recently entertained the idea of a sequel, yet I can appreciate the dilemma in seeking out a "hook". That is what would require some thought .. of course a "where are they now" thing in some cases where any of the surviving collectors may still be around is an idea for at least a small portion of it. I see what you mean about a new film covering young generations loving their vinyl may only intrigue other collectors - but then again, I wonder? It could inspire some casual viewers to become interested in records, too. ... But I'm thrilled to hear you've reconsidered the idea of not revisiting the vinyl theme at all. ... Ever since I first saw VINLY I have wanted to know if you are still involved in any kind of record collecting? Also - one of the documentary moments I've thought about is when you say you wish you had a daughter, and that you ought to be working on a bicycle for her. Well, congratulations - I have seen you have the daughter... now, did you ever get to that bike?
I also like to see " Where are they now " versjon. Find persons in film inresting and honest and feel like i kinda knew them. Then again the movie made me sad. Go and figure.
So, I watched the movie and found it interesting and a bit disturbing. I would say that for most of the people Zweig interviewed, and from him as well, there are some holes in their lives that they are trying to fill with possessions. The focus here is on vinyl, but he is really addressing the human condition as it applies to many people. The folks in the video seem a bit extreme in their collecting, to the point where it might even be an addiction. I guess it comes down to who is in control, the collector or the collection.
FitTiBeTieDyed - Thanks for checking the movie out and commenting. Good point about who is in control here. The reason I felt compelled to make the video at this particular moment in my life is because I related to the director's self-analysis in at least one segment when he was questioning his own urge to continuously go to thrift stores regularly and buy tons of really cheap old records (in his case it was Easy Listening and Jewish and German records; in my case, it would be the latest Big Band/early Jazz interest I have acquired). I think it's very much too quickly right now with me, and I have easily accumulated close to 100 old Jazz records in a very short period of time. I am playing the records here - and am actually enjoying the majority of them - so it's not as if I'm buying anything I don't like. I mean I'm not going to stop (LOL!) .. but sometimes it does give me pause for a moment or two. That's only natural.
Well, you've discovered a new genre that yo like. That's bound to lead to the expansion of your collection. Its not the same thing that Zweig was talking about. For me, I try to stay away from the impulse buy. I'm usually pretty focused when buying. For instance, this Sunday I'm heading into Vancouver for the semi-annual record show that is the best one in the area. I'm just going to be looking for Canadian Beatles albums. If something else catches my eye I may grab it, but I need to budget so The Beatles come out on top.
i agree get a life is a meaningless thing to say.