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JSB .177 sub12 Air rifle slug testing mission aborted..
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ส.ค. 2022
- Testing and reviewing the jsb KO slugs and the pb mako slugs in .177 through the airmaks katran.
outdoor testing at sub12 power levels didnt go to plan, but i will revisit the testing at a later date with an air rifle i think might be better suited to the application, the Anschutz 9015.
You failed? Hardly 😂.
The mako slugs have been tested in a few of my UK limited and FAC rifle's , no joy, just another experience.
The jsb 13 grain knocked out are a different ball game in FAC, speed is needed. I like them, just not suitable for UK power restrictions.
Look up some of the Scandinavian guy's using .177 knock out. FAC and running at around 925 FPS, 40mm group and less at 100m.
Well done and thanks for your efforts 👍.
You have saved a few guys some valuable beer tokens.
The energy of the projectile is very low! 16 Joules, /11.8ft/lbs/! The 640ft/s is very low for a 13gn slug projectile + the trajectory of the projectile is very curved. The Slugs, usually need more! I have seen several tests in connection with the slug test! At a low speed of the slug, for example, 630-650 f/s, it gave a bad shoting gruops at 50-100 yards, but much better at around 900-920 f/s! Maybe it depends on the slug, I don't know, but those tests were also done with JSB and H&N slugs in 177 caliber, 13-16 and 20gn projectile weights! The heavy Slugs /16-20gn/ These are very good for long-range target shooting, you just have to provide them with a relatively high starting speed, otherwise they are unstable! For example 920-950 ft/s is good! /I'm not talking about hunting, I condemn hunting!/ I only focus on target shooting for home!
New favourite channel, very informative videos, thank you. Surprised at the mako slugs, had great success with them thru my sub12 impact.
Thats amazing Mark cheers. Made my day that has 😉
I'm going to re test them through a few of my other rifles as they wouldn't load nicely from the ss loader in the katran. So it wouldn't have been a fair appraisal of them. I've just been putting together a stock for the 9015 before bringing that onto the channel going forward 😀
@@tillysgunstocks looking forward to seeing the results. 👍👍
I tried the lightest of the Zan slugs in .177 through my sub-12 HW100, very similar results. I put 28 (two mags) through a thoroughly leaded barrel and it looked like I'd fired a shotgun at the target, put a couple of pull-throughs down the barrel and tried again. It got worse. I don't think sub-12 is enough power to engage the slug with the rifling properly so they don't spin fast enough to be stable. Given that they were twice the price at the same weight as the Bisley Mags I usually use, pellet on pellet at fifty metres, I gave up on them. Fun experiment though. Oh and they were shite though my HW97 too.
Very interesting review, I have tried using a brand of slugs through my FX Impact and for the price was totally disappointed in the results.
Absolutely no grouping to speak about, every shot different. I was using the 21 shot magazine and thought what a waste of money.
Your explanation of the probe pushing the pellet into the barrel and the shape of the slug lends me to think they were going in cock eyed.
I might try manually loading them to see if the results are different. Many thanks
Thanks for watching 😉
I called it pretty well in this video, have you seen the next slug video I did? The performance I had when directly loading to the barrel was quite impressive, in particularly strong winds too. But.. the tolerances it seems to get the smaller cal slugs loaded nicely in the first place appear very critical. It's fun trying these things out, and if you can get them to work a decent slug shows some definite downrage improvement over a diablo pellet. Albeit a small amount
Have been seeing myself going back to the 12ftlb levels. I have thr higher power stuff, but there is something about the lower powers that is fun.
Just found the channel and already hooked!
It's great to have you on the channel, thanks for watching 😉
Sub12 is a definite challenge,but for some disciplines the power level is way better suited that some of the fac stuff.
@@tillysgunstocks I have a 30 that is doing well over 900 fps, so a ton of power. But there is something about the low power that is fun
I have a walther terrus 22 that's 12ft1b can I make it more powerful with a longer spring can someone tell me please
@Lion Heart depends if you can open it up and find a spring that will fit. Some rifles are not made to shoot faster so it may be better to get another rifle
@@woogieman02 OK thanks ill have to do some research as I'm not sure but I've just bought another 2 riffles so hopefully one of them is a bit more powerful
I have been testing different slugs here in the States for a while, but all, so far, in Sub 12. I have actually gotten some very good results with both the Knockouts and the Makos. One example I remember, really blew my mind: The HW95 currently shooting at around 9fpe shot the 10ish grain Knockouts into a single hole at around 25 meters! Just insane. Have also had great results shooting the Makos out of my UK specked (Sub 12) Daystate Revere. Heck! I have shot a couple squirrels with them and not only did the shot hit true, on point, my gosh, the results were devastating. I did post the results to my channel if you feel inclined to see.
Of course, not every gun liked them, but that is always the case, even with pellets. Anyway, my mission will continue.
The daystates are interesting as they seem to show alot of promise with the slugs, the barrels in the redwolf for instance seem to do pretty well.
It doesn't surprise me with the springer really. Being able to load and seat the slug direct to the barrel is a good start. Jumping them through a mag and over a barrel oring isn't ideal, as you just can't guarantee they are loaded true in the barrel. All good fun though trying 😀
Would not waste money on slugs for sub 12 stick to the normal shape pellets
Give the new JSB's KO's MK3 a try and prepare to be pleasantly surprised!
I use the Zan 10g slug designed specifically for sub 12, I’d be interested in seeing another review on those buddy.
I plan to grab some for testing eventually, but got a few other projects to get cracked on with shortly so it won't be straight away I don't think.
@@tillysgunstocks fantastic 👍🏻
I’ve done a mini review on my channel, they are outstanding in my FAS AR 611 but I won’t hold my breath, I have several rifles and they don’t work in every one of them, it’s the same as a barrel not liking every pellet I think but when they work boy do they work 👍🏻
I look forward to seeing someone else test them
If you are shooting 12ft lbs, accuracy is limited by range, and is why diablo pellets are super accurate up to 30-40 yards. Some 12ft lbs rifles have great accuracy up to 50yards or so. However, If you need accuracy at 100+ yards, slugs are defo the way to go due to lower ballistic coefficient but you need FAC power to make them stable and accurate. Some Manufacturers are starting to look at slugs for 12ftlbs so future might be brighter one day but I suspect it will still be limited by range, where diablo pellets will always out perform slugs on accuracy.
Another very interesting video, keep them coming 👍
The next part is mega mate. I've cracked it, got the slugs running with a level of accuracy I've never seen..
you got pretty much the same results as me mate, i can't get any off them to work very well at sub 12 power levels 😀
I bet we could engineer something to get them to work OK,but the reality of that is, what's the point? There's no obvious benefits at our power levels. Definitely worth it, in the higher speeds and bigger cal though.
Not really worth it at fac speeds either . I have a fac .177 .I've tried all the slugs and have totally given up on them and gone back to pellets .
They are way more accurate and reliable in every way .
Also those slugs DONT expand inside quarry even at plus 900 fps and point blank .
I know loads of people at my club plus me that have tried the .177 knockout slugs and they seem to work for no one, in no gun. How could a top manufacturer screw up so badly? I also tried tried them at 950fps in a gun with direct barrel loading (Leshiy 1) and they still don't work.
It's certainly something I'm curious about now myself. Now I've had some success, I'm going to try the KO 10gn .177 and see what happens from there.
I have some theories but as yet thats all they are, but interesting nonetheless
i wonder how lead free lightweight slugs would work , would definately get the speed up ,, do they make lead free slugs yet ?? great vid by the way cheers
There is likely some lead free slugs out there somewhere.ive not seen any myself as yet though.
The twist rates of most our commonly available barrels are going to be alot slower than is idea for what a lead feee slug will weigh and size up at though. There's some really good info on the net about it. Its heavy reading but super interesting. The actual speed the slugs run at.. its somewhat a myth they need the higher fps for stability, they can happily run much slower than is accepted as fact. There's many other factors that are way more important to consider, well before the fps is even taken into account 😉
Would you not be curious enough to go FAC?
My .177 is running at 21 ft/lbs with Bisley Magnums, we have to run FAC no matter what! Northern Ireland!
I’m wondering if someone could make lead free slugs to get the weight down. That would get the speed (and hopefully the slug’s flight) closer to an FAC with slugs.
Good video, i just don't understand the point of slugs tbh. If you have a FAC you'd just run subsonic 22lr over slugs and the other problem is, even if they run well through the anschutz, it's not something you'd take out rabbiting so kinda defeats the object of using slugs.
The whole point is about air rifle experiments. Not 22lr or other.
Some we win, some we don't. Experiments.
Hi. I pickup my Katran C 177 tomorrow. Don't think these slugs will the first thing I pick off the shelf but between the QYS and JSB heavies which do you prefer. Or maybe another recommendation.
Thanks.
Definitely jsb heavies if you will be using the single shot loader, one of my mags would damage the skirts until I adjusted it.
The qys of late have been pretty poor in weight variation, so I'd also be looked at the baracuda ft 😉
I have tried those as well in my sub-12 Maverick) - I could batly get them on the card at 30y! As bad as the Patriots. I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the difference beween the QYS Heavy Streamline (my go-to ammo) and the qYS Heavy Domed.
Very interesting well done.👍
Try the 10 grain versions
Interesting vid , bought some " Zan " slugs too try ( 10grn ) in a few rifles , too be honest not very good .. that said , there's no real need for a them , as the QYS 9.56 & 8.95 grn do excellent work at the target range , and the 13grn close ( 35mtrs? ) hunting .. thing is , never had really good results with the QYS 8.48 (?) grn pellets .. weird that .. keep up the good work , loving yer vids
Unusual!😵💫
the JSB slugs will be ok if you push them to about 960 fps
I bet they need more velocity.
i found the jsb to be shite in all 3 of my rifles even at higher speeds zan seem to do ok in my vixen sub 12 though
Good testing 👌
Frustrating that's for sure 😆
I'd like to get some decent groups from the makos in something eventually..
@@tillysgunstocks Love my Airmaks Katran HP.
Just ordered Airmaks KRAIT X
Do you have a video of you building up the 9015? Working on building up an 8002 S2 and like the barrel idea
I don't on my channel,but the boys on sub12 airgunners have just recently done a few vids on the 9015. Well worth a watch tbh
@@tillysgunstocks been watching them as well.
I have watched loads of slug and pellets tests and the common thing that come across to me is....stick to a good Diablo pellet that suits your rifle and slug's only bother trying in a FAC Air rifle.
I was under much the same conclusions really, however I've seen some testing in .177 sub12 that might just throw a spanner in the works. When the channel has a bit of a budget to play with, I'm thinking of prepping a barrel specifically to shoot them
Hi mate I wondering have I missed the anschutz testing the slugs video.
I've not had the time to get the 9015 back together yet mate. Hopefully next week,and the wind looks to be dying down aswell 😉
@@tillysgunstocks Excellent can’t wait.👍
Which grip is that your using
Just one I whipped up. There's detailed videos on here how to build them 😉
@@tillysgunstocks looks awsome mate you should start selling them I would buy one for my m3 impact, it looks a better shape than the form ones
What's the glove for?
A decent target glove is really useful, it cuts down on your pulse being transmitted to the rifle, adds some extra bulk to your palm when supporting a gun and if I was shooting hft off a peg adds a whole load more grip to my leading hand 😉
My r10 loves the 10.3g variant of these
Thats good to know mate, I've got some here to test next week. The 13gn I can't get any real performance out of. Yet ..
@@tillysgunstocks the 13gn were terrible in my sub 12 r10 mate but the 10.3gn group 10 under 5p at 27 yards it's weird how that works
@@falkirk8413it's the same if you was throwing a 1kg lead ball if you tried throwing a heavyier lead ball you wouldn't be able to throw it as accurate or as far as your arm doesn't have the power it's all about the sweet spot for the power you have