One of My Biggest Pet Peeves in Dog Training #19
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2024
- We all have pet peeves, and one of mine is the misuse of dog training cues. Cues have power, and it is important to maintain our dog’s clarity and understanding. Most cues are verbs because we want our dogs to do something. It’s vital not to dilute a cue as that will create uncertainty in our dog about what we really want him to do.
🐾 Key Episode Moments:
00:00 Dogs don’t understand past tense.
02:21 Wrong way to teach a dog ‘sit.’
02:50 Dog training is an unregulated industry.
03:38 Most dog training cues are verbs.
05:09 Don’t say the cue after dog performs the action.
05:55 Saying “good sit!” is wrong.
07:15 How cues become diluted and ineffective.
08:43 How long should a dog sit?
11:34 Respect the power of control positions.
12:23 Dogs beg for clarity from us.
12:57 Teaching “stay” is unnecessary.
14:47 Question outdated dog training methods.
15:50 Teach dogs joy for your commands.
In the episode you'll hear:
• How dogs don’t understand past tense.
• The reason we should never say “good sit” or “good down”.
• The importance of questioning dog training experts.
• Why cues have a lot of power and value for our dogs.
• The ways cues are misused.
• Why a cue is a verb and not a description.
• What dilutes a dog’s understanding of a cue.
• Controversy surrounding cues and why I don’t say “stay”.
• How mixing physical cues and verbal cues can create conflict for your dog.
• How to keep quick responses to your cues.
• About control positions, release cues and creating clarity with your expectations.
Resources:
• Podcast Episode 2: Reinforcement - • Reinforcement #2
• Podcast Episode 11: The Power of Permission in Dog Training - • The Power of Permissio...
• Vlog: Toning Up On Cue Clarity (Hearing The Sirens) - susangarrettdogagility.com/20...
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So addicted to your podcasts 5 star all the way. I listen to you when I wake up, cooking breaky, house cleaning, gardening, while I do tapestry, before I go to bed. I do not listen to anything when I exercise my dog, or walking or at the beach. I focus on my dogs outing, and what she can learn, and how we can have fun.
Gems for this podcast: dogs beg for clarity from us. We need to know what our expectations are in order to teach them to our dogs. Question the experts, but question with kindness. I really like how you incorporate dog stories into your teachings.
Yay great content!! I will immediately stop saying good sit, good come, good down. I thought I was reinforcing the word so my puppy would learn it, but I was creating confusion. I am smarter than I was 20 minutes ago!
Feel like I've been doing things all wrong... Lol new days bring new lessons. Thanks Susan and Dogs that team xoxox ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Maybe a latecomer to your channel but sound wisdom and good common sense never age! Love, Love, love this episode out of the ones I've watched thus far. "The power of the Cues." I will definitely be implementing more of this in my dog. To bring more clarity to the command of cues in a way that makes sense to us both! I know my 19month old will pick it up fast. She is an F1 Border Collie/ Standard Poodle mix, and she teaches me a lot. Looking to sharpen her obedience skills before getting into agility training once I know she is fit and her growth plates have closed. Thank you for your podcast, Susan. Hope to meet you one day!
Susan! I cannot believe how messed up I’ve been with control cues! No wonder my poor pup looks up at me line, “Say what?” But, now I’ll be better:)). Thank you!
Thank you so much Susan! As a member of the Recaller's community I watch/follow all that you graciously share with the dog loving/training community at large. My husband Tom and I are bringing home our first puppy this Friday and I am looking forward to starting her path the Susan Garrett (Recaller's) way. As always, looking forward to the next episode of Shaped by Dog:)
Susan, this was a WOW moment for me! It makes SO much sense.
Hi Shelly, we are so glad you enjoyed Susan's Shaped By Dog Podcast Episode 19
I love your teachings. Sometimes I do disagree though, not so much with what you are actually teaching, but just that not all techniques work with every dog. Like us, they are individuals and not every dog learns or responds the same way. For example, the "wait" command works great with my dog as she has learned she WILL get what she wants and it keeps her amped and ready to run, but she wont break. Its like "stay" means to just relax and hang out, but the "wait" is be ready to move when I signal. Like a ready set go kind of thing.
😂🤣I was so into this that I raised my hand!🖐🏼
I have this problem, I been using a cue wrong and myself don't know how long to have them sit or down and have to work on this. Love hearing this for get reminded what I need to do. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐❤❤❤❤
I love this pod cast. Learn something new with every one or just reminding me to "clean things up"....BTW, I watch on You Tube. I'm more of a visual person and I love some of visuals you use!
I love this so much!!!! Don’t lose the power!
Makes so much sense! I am watching all the podcasts and have been sharing too. I am more and more impressed each podcast, especially when I heard how your worst challenge helped you to become who you are today.
This has really been eye opening for me and I appreciate it so much!! ❤
Lol! Thanks for putting it into terms I can understand! ❤
Have been listening to your podcasts from the beginning as I work through your HSD course. This podcast was a real Aha! moment. Thank you for sharing your experience.
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I would really love to correct how I have allowed my girl to get up on her own from a sit or down. Do you have an episode or something to point me in the right direction? Should I just start having her sit and stay (without a stay command) and work on that for longer and longer periods of time? If she gets up, should I just lead her back to her spot and have her sit/down and try again?
Great observation about how we used to train our dogs!
I think saying "good sit" came from using the "sit" cue before the dog knew how to perform the behavior.
When the dog finally did it, trainers wanted to remind them, "yes that's what I meant, you did the sit. that's good!"
It's so much better to shape behavior the way we do it now! And we no longer have to threaten our dogs to STAY.
I can lead out the full length of an Agility ring with total confidence that my dog will still be sitting there when I turn around.
TOTALLY!
My dog relies a LOT on hand cues. Being service, I'm often engaging my face and voice elsewhere when i give her cues for things like wait, let's go, sit, or down. Down has gotten muddy and her verbal cue of 下 (shee-ta) is often hard to hear or say over a group. I think it also sounds like the scoff of "sheeyah" which i actually use. 😂 plus pointing down with two fingers is too vague since for come i do the same thing with a finger curl. So it takes her a minute to go "oh, down, okay." so I'm changing her verbal cue to Yoko (lay) and down cue to a flat hand bounce. She's always been a little slow to respond on commands. She isn't very food motivated and wouldn't so much as LOOK at a toy. I've been doing your training for a week and she played with a toy twice this week with me and my son! I'm hoping she can learn to have fun and not be SO serious all of the time. Let loose, dog!
I like to listen to podcasts when I'm doing chores like dishes, making dinner, or feeding the sheep.
I've loved training my dogs with positive reinforcement over the years and my new dog is really giving me a run for my money! That girl is thinking circles around me so I've needed to up my training game. I am binge listening to Susan's podcasts! So much good stuff and my dog is really loving the interactions and training games. My husband said he was surprised by her that all of a sudden she started waiting when he would open the door! I said, yes! Thank you Susan! So in love with these training tips! And you make me laugh (somebody's Mama's army boots or this dog is trying to knit me a sweater), which makes it even more fun.
Thank you so much Cheri, we love reading that the whole family is enjoying the training. Have fun with your puppy!
Wow!! what a blow my mind aha moment that saying "Good sit " is confusing- after listening to Susan it makes perfect sense and from this day forward I will never use a cue with praise again!! One of my pet peeves has also been when people tell their dogs to stay while they close the door to the car or leave the house - and then they wonder why their dogs break a stay at other times... Thank you for another wonderful podcast!
Thank you Susan for clarifying the use of cues. I love watching your videos, they make training my dog so much easier
Thank you for your depth of clarity on CLARITY. I have made plenty of mistakes. I really appreciate the many layers you put into getting the dog to understand what you want with confidence. WOW! What I love is you explain it with such clarity that even I can see what impact I can have with my dog and especially our relationship! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🤩
I've always used the stay command when giving a down/sit/stand cue and walking away. Have to agree it's redundant. Despite some lack of clarity I have a pretty well trained dog. A forgiving pup I think. On my next walk I'm going to experiment cuing just down, and walking away. She's so used to staying put in that context, I have a feeling the "stay" is rather pointless actually 😆
OH MY! Changing how I praise my MAS right now! No more good sit. Good potty. Good come. Nope. Now it will just be GOOD! Or YES! Thanks!!!
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Thank you so much 🌸
Great podcast! I often listen when doing stuff around the house, and I also often go back and actually watch the episode again on TH-cam because I like to watch as well.
Awesome podcast! Thank you!
1. Thanks for clarifying taboo use of cue words. That makes so much sense. Thanks also for helping us analyse/question what we do and see things from the dogs perspective. So you're saying dogs don't get multiple uses of the same word - ie a word used both as a verb (cue to action) AND a noun (name of action). Once a noun (naming word) always keep it a noun. Once a verb (action word) always keep it a verb. 2. Cues always need a release - they are to be in effect until release is given. Presumably trained from short to longer duration. What a responsibility! Oops you forgot by the lagoon!? 😀
Another light bulb moment thank you Susan. ❤❤❤❤❤
Hmmm....here’s another podcast that’s missing my comments...? Anyway, thanks so much for sharing great insight.💕
Love these podcasts! I listened to them in the car and they are great for reminders of what the recaller games are doing. Can't get enough!!
I'm getting a new puppy ln a couple of weeks and am determined to have a well behaved dog. I'm so grateful to have run across you're podcasts as I've made so many mistakes in trying to train passed dogs on my own and am just now realizing most of my passed dogs poor behavior was just because I didn't know how to teach them. I've not had a dog come when call or sit and stay for more than a couple of seconds. They all have had barking issues. I just didn't know or understand how to train them! I'm just starting to learn some of your games and can hardly wait to start playing them with my new puppy Paksu (He's a mini Australian Shepherd/Boarder Collie Mix.) Every one of your podcasts teaches so much. I will be signing up for Home School The Dog.
I was on an APDT thread recently where someone was asking about who trains an "auto-sit-stay" and who teaches "stay" separately, and I thought, how do you teach the sort of "sit" where the dog gets up whenever he feels like it? Is that even "sit?" And they were saying they didn't want to teach an automatic stay because they were afraid they would forget to deliver the release cue. The whole thing made me laugh! My dogs also have excellent downstays, and I've never forgotten about them yet!
This is outstanding! I am definitely going to encourage my future puppy owners to watch your podcasts, and definitely #17 and #18 for sure. Thank you for doing these. I personally am trying to work through the "Recallers" program of yours and will also be encouraging future owners to do your training classes.
What you are saying makes so much sense. I'm training my puppy this way
Thank you.
Super ppdcast!! 10/10 rating!! I am a RC, H360 and AN student and have heard you discuss this briefly in a workshop. Your deep dive into this subject was extremely enlightening. Sharing on my FB timeline!!
Thank you Susan! You make so much sense. I love what you are teaching and hope to have my 4-1/2 month old Kooikerhondje as well trained as your border collies!!!
Great topic!
Thank you for another wonderful podcast! Always enjoy your knowledge and take on dog training. By the way I enjoy listening to Podcast both in my car and days when I need to be inspired for training ideas.
Wow you have been making so many things clearer and less stressful for me the the dog. Thank you, love learning so much from you. Wish I could store it all in my brain now. I just can go blank so easy, (brain surgery.)
Thanks so much for another "aha" moment. I've been a student of yours for a little while and wondered why you had no "stay" command. Aha--Not needed/implied! Also, when I started training 30 years ago (aversive 😪), the premiere expert I went to taught "Good to stay, gooood to stay...." Hmm. Confusing.
Glad to be training with you these days!🙂
THANK YOU this annoys me to no end!
Hi Susan, I have listened to this episode a few times now, OMG will be interesting if I can undo, some incorrect cues for my blind dog fern. I have to admit I am a victim to poor cue commands, taught in obedience dog training class. Also when I am going to leave the house, I talk to my dogs, tell them to bed, rest, stay cuddle and kiss them, i tell them I won't be long. OMG I NEED TO CHANGE CUES.
One of my pet peeves, too! It makes no sense. Dogs don't have an understanding of the rules of grammar.
I just found your channel and I love it! I have a question about my 7 month old Rottweiler, and maybe you can help me. He is very attached to me to the point that he does not like to go outside because he is afraid I will leave him outside. Even when I give him the come command (which he usually follows), he will not come. He will lay down on the floor inside the door. The only way I can get him to go outside is if I go outside and leave the door open and I sit down on the bench in the back yard. If he sees me sitting, he thinks I’m staying outside with him. I praise him when he finally does come outside. What can I do to get him to go outside more easily? Thank you in advance.
So funny! I always say, dogs don't understand adjectives. But lately I've been working on teaching my dog the difference between big and little, so MAYBE he will learn those adjectives, but I don't think he would know the difference between a good sit and a "sit!"
Thank you for your insight! You have "simplified" dog training by removing a extra "stuff," i.e. "stay", "wait"... I have trained 5 previous Labs using those extra cues. I am now training Lab puppy #6. Having watched many of these podcasts, the reason for some of the previous problems have become crystal clear. I am looking forward to having an amazing dog!
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I’m with you, I’ve trained five Aussies now on number six, she is only five months so I will get started immediately on this. It sure does make sense. Good luck to you with your 🐕 dog
Thanks so much for this. Stay doesn't make any sense at all when I think of it now. I'm getting a new puppy in about a month's time and I'm wondering about basic commands. Do you have a list somewhere?
Susan Brasel turned me on to your podcasts. I am watching them in order and taking notes. I watched 1-18 the first two days. We will bring our new puppy home in early February. This will be our second American Hairless Terrier. Our first was a fear biter. But after watching you for a couple days, with your training, I realize we could have trained her and given her a better life. This time I want to do everything I can to give our pup a good life. My biggest hurdle is that I am a perfectionist. What I need is to draft a daily itinerary for the first four weeks. This will allow me to relax and enjoy our new pup because I will have a daily plan to follow instead of feeling overwhelmed. I welcome any guidance of where to look on your website or in your podcasts for tips on building my first month itinerary. Thank you.
Morning Robert, Love your enthusiasm! Susan's podcast does have some great puppy training resources but also her blog may offer a great one to get you started with a bit of an overview: susangarrettdogagility.com/2020/04/5-games-for-puppies/ As you noted the first week or two is getting to know each other and onto a schedule. You have a great outlook to 'relax and enjoy' your new pup. Lynda (TeamSusan)
DogsThat Thank you so much for your information! I am on podcast 49 and had to come back and see how I framed my question. This is what I see ... this is what I want ... this is what I think I need to do ... what do you think? I see that I am a perfectionist and gave up on my first pup. I want to help my next pup and I get off on a great start. I think I need to draft an itinerary so I can relax knowing (instead of wondering) what to do each day. What do you think? I will look at Susan’s blog for more good information on the first few weeks with a puppy. Thank you!
How should I reinforce sit, when the dog gets up b4 he is given the release cue.
I need the same info. Thanks
Increase the time incrementally from a brief pause upwards before rewarding. If they get up too soon multiple times, they didn't understand so go back to shorter time or the reward was not interesting enough?
I’m really new and would love to know how you show the dog to hold the command until I release him ?
I think Susan uses the "break" command and then plays and has fun with them or gives a treat. This will be a big help to me! I've never used "break", I've always said Sit, Stay when I want them to stay, and then Okay, to release them. But I see how much more confusing this is. If I just say "sit" or "down", they should do that until they hear the word "breaK", that is much more clear of the expectations.
My 4 month old puppy keeps getting up from the “sit”. I walk back towards him but don’t repeat my command. When will he learn to stay until released? Only had him 3 weeks so far!
Hi Julie! Congrats on your new puppy 💕 Here's a playlist with lots of help for your sit and stay: th-cam.com/video/WP9JRgKL2Ok/w-d-xo.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
Happy training!
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Quick question - when training for "stay" duration, do we still reinforce (e.g. feed them treat) the dog during the "stay" and after saying the release cue?
So the sit, stand, back and more cues with no release break cue in the video clip the dog knows that’s ok that’s the get it game?
Old habits die hard 😕
Can u still change criteria to this in a 10 year old dog who has been taught otherwise..? Sit stay/Down stay..?
Susan, I understand your cur lesson but after telling your dog to sit, how do you “ correct” her if she gets up before releasing her?
Hi Kathy, we've got help for you to train duration, here's the video for you: th-cam.com/video/gNnnoqLbTzk/w-d-xo.html
How do we teach our dogs to have implied stays in sits and down when they have already been trained to stand up right after they get a treat because of the handler's lack of clarity ?
Hi, thank you for asking! Check out Episode 134 How To Teach A Dog To Stay WITHOUT Luring, Collar Pops Or Using The Word “Stay” th-cam.com/video/gNnnoqLbTzk/w-d-xo.html
@@DogsThat thank you so much for your answer i will definitely check it out 🥰 really helpful content please never stop educating and speeading knowledge, your channel is like a goldmine of knowledge 😍 i am literally binging your podcast right now 😀
How do you teach a dog to hold position?
Hi Natasha, here's a video with an great overview for you - th-cam.com/video/gNnnoqLbTzk/w-d-xo.html
When does a person use the word stay?
Hi Julee, we never use stay, here's another video on why: th-cam.com/video/eUbR-nhs_r0/w-d-xo.html
Omg I wish I had the info you are providing when my ex and I had our furbabies. They passed in 2010 and 2013. I took one (the alpha) to puppy training, then found the Dog Whisperer on cable and ended up using some of his ideas with problem areas. Such as jumping up on the big window, loud barking and scratching/clawing every time a critter came into the yard. That happened A LOT - we lived on 2 acres in a nice wooded area.
Thank you gor sharing your knowledge! At some point my living arrangement will change and I really want a fur companion to love and have fun with!! Your knowedge will be AWESOME for training! 💯✅
Susan, please have a staff member go thru these previous Recallers Testimonials and add links to your web sites! Under one of them someone asked about Recallers and there was no response and no web sites were listed in the video description. th-cam.com/video/HOKKFp_OkIw/w-d-xo.html & th-cam.com/video/yYz2nRpTUeU/w-d-xo.html & I'm sure there are more that need links added. Can I be on your team? I'd love to do it! LOL! I don't have a dog right now but as soon as we get our next one I will be signing up for Recallers!
Oh so wait for the release cue unless I give you another cue … just seems confusing
Wow. Dogs don't speak English? I have to tell myself this all the time.
Susan! I cannot believe how messed up I’ve been with control cues! No wonder my poor pup looks up at me line, “Say what?” But, now I’ll be better:)). Thank you!