How To Get A Huge Acoustic Guitar Sound - Pickup Hack/Trick
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video I show how I get a huge acoustic guitar sound with this pickup hack/trick.
It's something I saw on the Irish Folk Festival scene in the U.S.
I saw a few great guitarists getting a huge acoustic sound from their guitars.
They had an extra pickup installed running under their low strings and it was being treated as a bass guitar.
In this video I walk you through my setup and give a lot of other options to work with. If you have any questions, just let me know. I'm happy to help.
Here's all the gear I mentioned in the video:
Pickups:
Fishman Neo-D humbucker pickup: amzn.to/3FHYbjm
Fishman Rare Earth pickup: amzn.to/32yK55P
LR Baggs M1 Pickup: amzn.to/3wCRoTG
Submarine Pickup: www.submarinep...
Octave Pedals:
Boss-OC-3 Super Octave: amzn.to/3yJXgMS
Nano POG Octave Generator: amzn.to/3hWzZBn
Mute Switches:
JHS Mute Switch: amzn.to/3utCOwj
BOSS TU3 Tuner: amzn.to/34op1wq
DI/EQ:
Palmer Pocket Bass Amp: amzn.to/3wHg11G
LR Baggs Para DI: amzn.to/3vvQ30F
LR Baggs Venue DI: amzn.to/34s8BmQ
LR Baggs Session DI: amzn.to/3hYXCsS
Acoustic Amp:
ACUS One-6T: bit.ly/3c3FDOa
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I have links to all the gear mentioned in this video in the description above. If you have any questions just let me know. I'm happy to help 👍
The link to the Fishman Neo-D pick up is a single coil and I think you say in the video you're using the humbucker version.
@@FionnPatrick Thanks for the heads up on that Finn, here's the Rare Earth Humbucker link - amzn.to/32yK55P And the cheaper Neo D humbucker - amzn.to/3FHYbjm Cheers!
This trick was a game changer. Did you ever do a video on the 3rd pickup? Very curious.
put a cord that goes to nothing in your bypass Jack and you should be able to use the pedal as a mute. That’s what I saw Mike Dawes doing.
Now that is a very handy tip! Thanks a million. I'll definitely be giving this a go 👌 Cheers! (Mike Dawes is a beast 🎸)
Another idea I thought about while watching your video is using a multi-fx unit that is capable of internally splitting your guitar input into two parallel signal chains that you can process differently. One would be your main guitar sound, and the other one your can use for the bass sound: cut off the treble, add octave and compression
Nice one Igor. If you get that setup sorted I would love to see what it sounds and runs like. Maybe you could put up a video about it? If you do, let me know. Cheers 👍🎸😀
I just got a Boss GT-1000 Core, and I was thinking the exact same thing! It could do all kinds of processing (pre-amp, noise suppression, octave, etc) on the signals separately - and either mix them together, or even output separately if you’d want to amplify them separately.
@@RJ_Eckie That GT-1000 Core is a beast of a pedal. Very cool, I didn't know about it. If you end up giving that setup a try let us know how it goes RJ 👍👍
I was just about to comment this exact comment 😂 I use a Boss AD10 to give me two guitar inputs, that I can mix individually at the pedal, and a Boss OC5 and split the signal out of it and it gives me so much versatility! Because you can save your mix to the AD10 memory, I can have two or three different guitars in different turnings ready to go on the stand and it's just a case of change guitar and select the saved mix 😁 plus it has built in tuner if I do decide to just travel one guitar and pedalboard!
@@RJFMurray This sounds very cool. The AD10 is another pedal I didn't know about. I'd love to see how you have it set up. If you ever put out a video of your setup, send me on the link. I'd be very interested 👍 Cheers 🎸
I've been blending a piezo and a cheap in-hole but never thought about switching to vertical... LIKE!...
Glad you liked the tip! The vertical setup can really make a difference 👌🎸
@@aodancoynemusic I have a small magnetic pickup..for 2 or 3 strings, made for cigar box guitars
I will put that below my Dean Markley promag...
Proper 'BOSS' tuition literally 👌👍
😄 cheers
That's impressive!!! I love how the sound hole pickup is hidden underneath your playing hand.
Cool, I'm glad you like the setup. I watched your D'addario Flat tops video, I see you have an M1 pickup installed. That is one great pickup. A friend of mine uses an M1 for the bass setup that I have here in this video. He takes out the D, G, B and high E out of the M1 and just leaving the low D and A string. That give him a really clean bass tone. It's an expensive option but really sounds great.
@@aodancoynemusic I liked that pickup so much I installed an M1A in my 1995 Taylor 714! I just watched a similar video about using a pole pieces removed magnetic pickup dual souced to an octave pedal to enhance bass. Great stuff! My favorite pickups are the M80 M1 and the Takamine pickup with the cool tube 😎
@@0713mas Nice one 👍 I hadn't heard much about the M80 but just watched a Peghead Nation review of it and it sounds very natural. And a Taylor 714 👌 Sweet guitar 🎸
@@aodancoynemusic Yes the M1A sounds really good at the nut but slightly more electric the farther up the neck you play IMO. Both M80 and M1A are very body percussive and woody off the top for a magnetic pickups.
The M1A has a little more treble to the woody sound and the M80 definitely is more natural.
Thanks for the video! Would be great to hear more of your playing with this set up!
Cheers Isaac! Ya, I'll try get some new videos up. Here's one live track where I kick in the bass - th-cam.com/video/NNaAR871eP0/w-d-xo.html
For a DI Box I use an Ultrasound DI Plus. Same circuitry as their amps. IT's a Pre Dean Markley version. Simple, clean tone. No tone coloring.
Cool. I handn't heard of the Ultrasound DI Plus. Looks very solidly built and a very good price tag! Thanks for the info 👍
The EH B9 pedal has a setting for split bass that simplifies things a bit. No special pickup needed and you can just turn it on or off for this effect. Has two outputs so that keeps both bass and regular guitar signals split. I tried a compressor and EQ after the bass output for more tweakability and that wasn't too bad. I still feel like this octave pedal bass sound is too robotic for my ears, so I use sparingly in acoustic performances. So much fun so worth it though.
Hi Jerry! Sorry about the late reply, I've been on tour around the U.S. and just catching up on things. I have the Electro Harmonix Mel9 and I was using that same setup for a while with the cello and low choir sounds. I'd love to hear what it's like with the B9 Bass sound though. What I tend to find when using it like that is that the separation of strings isn't too precise and the tone gets fairly muddy. That's why I really use the extra pickup, to get that clean low tone. But I'm defo gona give the B9 a go! Cheers for the suggestion. I just invested in the new Submarine Pro pickup and I'm finding that to be pretty good. Worth checking out.
@@aodancoynemusicB9 is a game changer. Just use it subtly to shape your tone
Nice hack. I use the SubNUp for my bass sound. I have two and add a little octave up for the top strings sometimes.
I Paul, sorry about the delay in reply. Ya, I've seen the SubNUp, but I haven't had a change to give it a go. I might have to make the purchase as it sounds great on videos too. Cheers
Thank you for this. I can’t believe installing the Fishman that way has never occurred to me. I’ve always wanted to isolate my two bass strings. I always figured I’d eventually get someone to make me a kind of “two-in-one” pickup. One that would have two separate pickups in one housing - two separate outputs as well, of course. One with two poles (bass) and one with 4 poles (the rest). I currently just run a single line out into a crossover filter that will let me send bass and treble out as two separate channels. It’s not perfect separation but it works pretty good. I’ve also used the Fishman midi pickup. The software lets you assign sounds to separate strings. Not a fan of the latency issues that come with midi processing. I’m a fingerpicker so it all gets to be a little too much for the processor to keep up with. I have one of those Fishman humbuckers. Gotta try that setup.
Glad you find it helpful. The new Submarine Pro pickup actually has two outputs on the one pickup, and you can isolate each string as needed. Worth checking out. I have one, it's has it's flaws, but comes in very handy too. I haven't tried to crossover filter as you describe. I also haven't tried to midi pickups, but I have seen and heard them being used to great effect. The guitarist in the band Rúna uses a mini setup.
I'm gonna try something like this with my HX stomp, you can run stereo inputs into it and run simultaneous signal paths with eq, compresstion and other fancy effects. I'll report back if I get good results.
Cool, I hadn't seen those HX Stomps before. I like line 6 gear. I might have to stick it on my to buy list 😆(Although that list is getting very long... lol) Ya let me know how you get on Ben 👍😀
Absolutely wonderful!
Many thanks! Glad you find it useful Willem 👍🎸
Great little video, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
The Boss OC-5 has the option of only doubling the bottom note of any chord.
Hey man instead of going through all that trouble all you need to do is put the octave pedal in to poly mode. That’s it. Put the direct level all the way up and adjust the octave knob to how much or how little bass you want. That’s what I do and works like a charm getting your lower notes bassy without having all this drilling and extra pedals.
Hi, sorry about the delay in response and cheers for the comment. There are a few issue with just going with one line straight into the octave pedal and simply using the polly function - Having all 6 strings running through the pedal and then strumming has a very muddy tone. I find that the tracking on the pedal can't keep up with all 6 strings at the same time, and for the style of music I'd be playing it's fairly unusable running it that way. So to get a really clear tone that tracks great, an extra pickup that just focuses in on the low strings seems to be needed. This way of running things also allows the two channels to be sent to the desk or front of house to be treated as separate instrument (so you or the soundman can EQ each channel - ie. guitar and bass channel). You can then boost the bass channel without issue to suit you style of music. Hope that helps clear up why I run things this way. But if you've found a way to fix the issues without this setup I'd love to hear how you sort things. I'm always looking to improve and make my setup easier, as long as the tone and tracking are kept solid. Cheers.
Hey Aidan, we both have the same last name! And we're both musicians. Small world. My Irish relatives are from County Mayo. Yours? Rock on!
Hi Brian, sorry about the delay in reply. My grandfather's side stems from County Roscommon, so right beside Mayo! His name was Eamon Coyne and was in the Liverpool Ceili Band. We could be distant relations, who knows. lol. Cheers 🎸
You can eliminate all of this by getting a BASS9 pedal. It turns your 5 and 6 strings into bass strings and you can split the signal. Total game changer for me.
That sounds pretty sweet! I have tried splitting the signal with other octave pedals but I've never tried the Electro-harmonix Bass9. The thing that I've found tricky to get right is the tracking, without a separate pickup and the Boss OC3 the signal gets really muddy when I simply split it.. Especially for the Traditional Irish music backing that I'd be doing. But I'd defo be up for giving the Bass9 a go. I have the Mel9 pedal and that is amazing. (That's actually what I run my third line out into, I just have my two high strings going into the Mel9 to have a very subtle chorus effect, it's a bit overkill, but fun.) Cheers for letting me know about the Bass9. I hadn't heard of it before 👍
Great video & thanks for sharing. I've been using the boss oc5 for a few months with a Taylor 214ce. I've never been happy with the range or lowest function as the oc5 seems to favour the low A over the Low E & sounds off when strumming chords. Ive just ordered a neo d & I'm hoping I'll achieve the results you've got. Great video & really nice playing
Cheers Richard. Ya a lot of people say the OC3 sound and responds/tracks better than the OC5, but to be honest, I've never used the OC5 personally. My OC3 has been a work-horse and is still going strong. But ya, give it a go with the pickup and see how you get on. Let me know if it works out 👍Taylor 214ce are great 🎸👌
Hi Aodan,
I've installed the neo d & the initial results are great! So much better than before so thank you. I'm road testing it for my next few gigs before I commit to installing another jack input for it.
Sounds good and tracks well when set a little under half way through the 'range' setting. The 'lowest' setting is still glitchy so maybe something boss need to perfect in time. String balance is better now with a dominant E & still picking up the A at a slightly lower level. Sounded huge at my gig last night through my RCF column!
I'm now considering the palmer pocket amp too. Does this make a nice addition when shaping the sound? The mute is a great idea & also the ability to boost the weak signal & DI it. I might even try & add some compression to it but it's then starting to become a bit overkill!
Thanks again for sharing
Thanks for sharing this tip. Great idea!
Grab a 1/8 to 1/4 headphone adapter and plug that into the dry output, and that will trick the pedal into thinking there's another output happening.
How are ya Gary, I haven't tried this exact setup with the headphone adapter. Must give it a go. A few others were saying to just stick a 1/4 to 1/4 adapter in and leave that hanging... I gave that a go, but it just ended up buzzing away on me. And when I'm using the OC3 as the on/off switch it still has the issue of the click sound when I switch it on and off. So a mute and DI where I cut the highs and mids is still in my chain. (But that OC3 of mine has been through the wars over the years so that could be my problem with the click I'm getting). I will give the 1/8 to 1/4 headphone adapter a go and see if that works for me though. Cheers for the heads up.
Nice video Amigo, do you really feel the bass amp does anything for the bass signal? I have a OC5 and its kind off synthy, no mids , no highs to work with
Hey, these days I'm using the Submarine Pro pickup and the OC3 (A lot of people think the OC3 tracks better and isn't as synthy as the OC5, but I haven't tried the OC5 myself) from there I'm now going into my LR Baggs Para DI and beefing up the bass tones with that. There was a great tip given by @David_Jackson. in the comments which I've been using for a while now - "put a cord that goes to nothing in your bypass Jack of the OC3 and you should be able to use the pedal as a mute." This saves on needing a separate mute switch which was my main reason for using the pocket bass amp. So I just cut the tip off an old lead and stuck that in the bypass of the OC3 and it worked like a charm. But, ya, if you like the pocket bass amp setup better it definitely also sound better than just having the OC3/5. It's just that the Para DI has far more scope to EQ those bass tone. Hope that helps 🎸👍
@@aodancoynemusic Thanks! I just remembered I have this great rack mount bass pre-amp I dusted off and it sounds great!
Love this video!! Might do this myself. Hope to see you in Milwaukee in August :)
Hi Ryan! Good to hear from you. Ya for sure, I'll be there at the Milwaukee Irish Fest in August. Looking forward to catching up man 🎸👍😀
Great stuff boss.
Cheers Paul 👍
Hi- I've been running the 'new' LR Baggs Align Session and EQ pedals after the TU2: (Just dropped in the OC3 with similar settings to yours )and then Align series Delay and a BOSS RV6 to the amp: I wish I'd tried the OC3 before! Fabulous!
Thanks for the info! Those Align series look amazing. I haven't' tried them myself but you can't go wrong with LR Baggs! That sounds like a sweet setup you have. I also have the Boss RV6, nice addition to the chain. If you're thinking of exploring a bit more I recently tried adding the Electro Harmonix Mel9 for fun and it's pretty brilliant. The string sound really adds, it works more for backing songs rather than backing tunes, but it's something I haven't heard too many people doing. I might make a video about it at some point.
Bodyrez pedal can help when you've got an acoustic with those cheap piezo pickups... (by no means great, but better...)
Cool, I just looked this up and it sounds great 👌 Cheers for letting us know
Nice video. By the way it’s a JHS mute switch, not VHS.
David Howley from We Banjo 3 does this
Hi, sorry about the delay in reply, I was away on tour and I'm just catching up on things now. Yes it was actually Fergal Scahill from We Banjo 3 who first introduced this setup to me back when I first started touring Irish festivals in the US. Being a three piece band, it was hard to compete with the 6 or 7 piece bands. So this bass setup (along with adding a stomp box) enabled us to fill up the sound on stage. David and Fergal are up with the best DADGAD Irish guitar players around.
Great! I allready use an Octavizer. Never thought to do it this way. (For foreigners don't speak so fast, to play it slower changes you nice playing(;-)
Glad it was helpful EDDYMAT! 👍🎸
Hi Aodan, I played a gig last night first night with the Neo D pickup, plugged it straight into my desk, and for me to get any sound out of if at all I had to turn the gain up all the way?
I was going to use the beringer UO300 pedal but I did not like the sound, yes I know it's cheap but I just wanted to see how this would fair out before I bought the boss,
So last night I had my guitar just plugged into my NU-X floor stageman and I just left the Neo D plugged in also, but as I said it's channel was up full, do I have to get the Boss pedal to drive it? having to turn the desk gain up full, this can't be right 🤔👍
Hi Martin, sorry about the delay in reply. My first suggestion would be to test out how close the pickup is to the strings. On one of my guitars I had to add a little foam padding under the pickup to increases the height and get it closer to the strings to get a better tone. Outside of that I boost the signal with a DI box before it gets to the desk. Hopefully that will sort the issue out for you. Let me know how you get on 👍
Hi @aodancoynemusic, thank you so much for the great insights and suggestions. I have a question though I own a Baby Taylor BT1e and my problem is even after watching a number of videos I am still trying to design a pedal board for myself as whenever plugged in ithas a very thin sound because of the 3/4th size and as directly plugged in PA it makes it worse any suggestions what pedals to use and how best I can improve the sound. Thanks
Hello Ahmad, I had the same issue with my Taylor GS mini, it had a very thin sound. But when I ran it through an LR Baggs Venue DI it made all the difference! I can't recommend it highly enough. I've been using mine for over 9 years and it's still going strong. It should solve the issue for you. Here's the link: amzn.to/3w8aO8k There is one other DI box I would suggest, but it's quite a bit more expensive. It's called the Grace Alix DI. In my opinion it's the top of the top, I know a lot of professional guitarists that use it and love it. You can check it out here: gracedesign.com/products/instrument-preamplifiers/alix I hope those suggestions help! P.S. You're music is great! I'm here listening to it with my wife 👍🎸
Hey Aodan! Amazing tutorial! Can you explain what the 3rd guitar input is for? the one you mention at 1:28. Greatly appreciate this video!
Cheers John, glad you found it helpful. I use the third jack connection mainly for my solo music. The setup is the same as the bass pickup, except on the high A & D stings. So I isolate those strings with another pickup mounted sideways and I have that signal running through a Electro Harmonic MEL9. I use that to create swells with either the Orchestra, Strings, or Choir tones. I have it pretty low in the mix, it's subtle, but adds nicely to the overall tone or a chorus or bridge when I'm playing solo. So overall, I have the standard guitar channel, the bass channel, that high strings MEL9 channel, then I use a PorchBoard stomp box and sometimes an SPD1 WAV percussion pad with uploaded samples I can trigger to match my songs. There's a lot of moving parts. It's a little impractical but fun.
Thanks very much Aodan, especially for getting back to me so quickly, I just went to my Gmail and should have the humbucker pickup and the behringer octave in tomorrow mornings post, I also see you play the Millwaukee Irish festival, I also played there many years ago with at the time Johnny Reidy band and the Listowel irish dancers under Mary Cantilon, it's a memory I'll never forget that's for sure,
anyway that's for the advice,
I will be sure to get back to you how it goes, I was half tempted to also buy the submarine last night but I see these don't sell on Amazon, but I've got a good starting point I think, I could not find the mute switch you mention, but I do happen to have the tuner you spoke about, but how do i run the chain with this, thanks again
Regards, Martin williams
Very cool, ya the Milwaukee fest is a great experience. The get very good acts in and it's well run. I hope to get back there soon. I hope you have fun playing around with your new setup Martin 🎸😁👍
Very cool! Do you have any performance videos using this technique? Id love to hear it in a full song context.
Ya, here's a link to a video where I kick the bass on a 0.45 -th-cam.com/video/NNaAR871eP0/w-d-xo.html And here's another where I put it on at 0.50 where it's just guitar and vocals - th-cam.com/video/ZSXJGHj1bHk/w-d-xo.html And the biggest drop is probably at 6.28 of this track - th-cam.com/video/R7qp6Dqsk0U/w-d-xo.html Hope that helps. Cheers
@@aodancoynemusic Those were great examples in context. Very cool way to add big dynamics to your rhythm playing.
Have you checked out the rare earth blend? Curious if it would work to turn it sideways in the sound hole then use the mic to pick up the highend and the blend fuction to dial in the sound you’re after?
I really love the sound of the rare earth blend, but I've actually never thought of doing that! That's a cool idea. I'd be interested in knowing if it works too. If you ever get around to giving it a try let me know how it goes. If I get my hands on one again I'll give it a try myself. Cheers for that Jarrid!
That is incredible, thanks for the video. What Taylor is that? It looks like a much nicer version of the Mahogany Taylor GS mini I owned. It is beautiful👌🔥
Hi, sorry about the delay in reply, I've been on tour for the past 9 weeks and just catching up on things now. Ya I'm playing a Taylor GS mini in this video, it's the Koa version. It's a great little guitar for touring. I run it through an LR Baggs Venue to boost the tones a bit on stage. But it plays great and it's easy to get on a plane without any hassle 👌
@@aodancoynemusic hope the tour went well. Thanks for the reply 🙌
Great video, thanks! Quick question : when the Boss pedal is ON and the mute pedal is OFF, I believe the vertical pickup still picks some sound from the 4 higher strings that we don't wanna hear right? Is the leakage minimal and not a problem? Sorry for my English, hope it's clear :)
Nice one brother
Cheers Brian! 🎸👍
Well Aodan! I'm playing a bit of trad in an Irish pub on a cruise ship atm and just wondering which set up works the best? The new submarine pro pickup or Fishman?
Pretty cool! If you don’t mind me asking, what part of the world are you from. I’m originally from Newfoundland, Canada. Our dialect and voice accent are very similar where I’m from. It’s uncanny actually haha. Great video, I’m trying to get my acoustic sounds worked out for an upcoming gig. I’ve been a electric guitar player for 36 years… now finally digging into the acoustic world. ✌️
Hi Jason, apologies about the delay in response, I've been away on tour in Germany for the last 3 weeks. Just catching up on things. I'm from the West coast of Ireland myself. Ennis, County Clare. I've gigged close to Newfoundland a few times and definitely noticed the accent connection! It was fairly strange but cool to chat to locals and feel like you're talking to someone from the West coast of Ireland. Once we played at the Celtic Colors festival and another time I stopped off in Sydney Nova Scotia while playing on a Disney cruise! Good to hear your diving into the acoustic world! 🤘
@@aodancoynemusic awesome man! All good! ✌️ thanks for the reply, very appreciated.
@@aodancoynemusic awesome man! All good! ✌️ thanks for the reply, very appreciated.
Hi, do you have to plug in the 2 pickups at the same time? The bulit in pickup and the neo d? Thanks
I’ve been looking into doing this “conversion” so to speak but have yet to find an octave pedal that sounds clean enough. I usually find them to not properly track the played notes (probably picking up to much harmonics or something to that effect) and I find it gets kinda fuzzy sounding.
As to DI-boxes I’m a bit picky 😛 I’ve been using Radial Stage Bug SB-1. They’re tiny so I’ve manage to fit 3 on my board and it’s pretty much a J48 which I think is one of the best DI’s there is.
Ya I totally get you. I had trouble with harmonic overtones coming from the Boss OC3 for a while. But after playing with the octave level I was able to tame things down and that changes depending on what guitar I'm using. Then with the DI box I was able cut all of the high and most of the mid tones out which really helped nail it in. It's still not perfect, but it suits my playing style. If you do find a cleaner setup please do let me know. I'm always looking to improve my setup. That Radial Stage Bug SB1 looks great! The next DI box I want to get for my guitar is the Grace Felix2 preamp. It's pricey, but I have a few friends who own it and it sounds amazing.
@@aodancoynemusic Great tips! If I find some kind of magic trick in the future I’ll let you know 👍 And the Felix feels like it’s one of those pieces of gear that is a must have at some point, but yea, it’s pricey.
And btw we’ve had a few gigs this summer (believe it or not) and yesterday there were a bunch of guitar enthusiasts that had been looking for DADGAD guitar charts and asked for tips. So I directed them to you so hopefully you’ll get a few new Swedish subscribers 🙂
Hi Aodan, am I delighted I found your TH-cam Channel, I hope you can give me some advice, first off soon as I heard you speak, I said to myself, you sound like your from kerry, but lol not too far out your from Patrick roach country, we have been on TV together many years ago live @3 search for a star 1990, but since then I started a wedding band and now years later I'm a oneman band playing to backing tracks, and just last Friday while playing in Abbeyfeale, with my 9 series RCF's and B1500xp sub 's and my Takamine EN10, using it mainly because of Patrick's day and left my electric guitars sitting on the stand, I had my acoustic through the Nux Stage floorman, but playing away when playing over the bass strings I could feel boom, well that's kinda overkill, but this nice bass sound, of course yes I had my Subs on stage but this got me thinking, wondering if I could deepen down the low E A D strings a bit more and still have the other strings crisp,
So I said I will buy the Boss Octave pedal then a friend of mine said its a lot of money to be splashing out and maybe then not happy in the end,
So I was told get the clone from behringer, try this first at only a few euro and has good reviews,
of course still not sold on just buying the pedal I had to do some extra browsing and, the title of your video brought me to you, then at the start here you said this is how my guitar sounds now, without the pickup turned on, then you Litteraly got my full attention when you played with the bass pickup on, I said that's! the sound I'm after, can you give me some advice here please, I play country, folk, ballads, all genres really, I have the behringer octave in transit, am I wasting my time with this pedal, or should I change guitar, or just go with exactly what you mentioned here and also the kill switch bringing the acoustic back to normal when I want, I'm anxious to get this plan of mine rolling as soon as possible, thanks so much for the video,
Hi Martin, thanks for reaching out. I'm glad the video has been helpful. I've been through quite a lot of different setups at this stage, so it's really trial and error. It'll depend on the sound you like. This setup in the video is what I settled on after a lot of different setups. I've recently changed things slightly. I'm now using a submarine pro pickup. That runs into the Boss OC3, which I think is perfect for the sound I want. (I haven't tried out the Behringer octave, looks cool. Let me know how it sounds once you get it going). Finally I've changed my bass DI to a Sadowsky SBP-1 Bass preamp/DI. I haven't gigged with it yet, but it sound great from my home amp. So overall, I'm still trying out new stuff and I'm always on the hunt for new gear. I don't think you'd have to change guitar or anything too drastic like that. The cheapest option would be to just run something like a Fishman rare earth humbucker sideways across the low string, stick that into your beringer octave and see what that sounds like when treated as a bass channel through your desk. Let me know how you get on with it! Enjoy playing around and finding that perfect sound for your music 👍😁🎸
Class. Thanks a million. :)
No prob Thomas 👍🎸
Very interesting wish to get a personal coaching
Thanks Kenedy. Personal guitar coaching or just coaching on how to set up the bass pickup on the guitar?
Hi aodan why is it you need the mute switch for the octave pedal???
Just after ordering a mcilroy a30c!
Have you tried the new boss oc5 I don’t think you would need a separate pickup for this . Trying to decide myself what pickups to get I was thinking of the fishman rare earth and K&K pure mini
Congrats on the purchase! You can't go wrong with a McIlroy and the a30c is really sweet. Nice choice. Regards the mute pedal, the octave pedal will have a direct signal coming through it even when turned off. So without being able to mute the signal completely it can get quite muddy sounding... The OC3 is generally considered to have a better Polly function than the Oc5. I only really use the octave pedal for the polly function, so the 0c3 is my choice. Ya, I've heard the 0c5 tracks the strings a bit better than the 0c3. But it's far from perfect, and I've heard it failing and getting a nasty sound too often. The cleanest and most reliable bass sound I could find so far is with this setup. Having an extra pickup specifically for the bass, and using the 0c3 polly function. The tracking won't really matter as much as it would if you were just running it through the one line. And then when it comes to pickups, I'm using the Fishman Matrix infinity in my Mcilroy, but my favorite acoustic pickup at the moment is the Fishman rare earth mic blend. Hope that help. No harm in trying out different options though. I've been experimenting for a while and still on the hunt for the perfect setup.
@@aodancoynemusic cheers aodan for the reply and the advice
@@aodancoynemusic Just bought your course too aodan what pick up do you use for the second channel or what one do you recommend ?
Ah cheers, hope you get value out of it. If there's anything in particular that you'd like me to add, just let me know and I'll get on it. Regards the pickups for the bass. I've used Fishman Neo-D humbucker and Fishman Rare Earth pickup. I've seen some people use LR Baggs M1 and taking out the D,G,B & high E pickups on the M1. But that might be a bit overkill. You could also check out the submarine Pickup. For the main channel I use an Matrix Infinity or a Fishman blend. They are both great.
I’m using the TC electronic Sub n’ Up along with the JHS mute switch and Mooer yellow compressor pedal. Fishman Neo D (although finding it harder to find these with a female jack , plenty online with male jacks). I almost prefer this passive pickup to the active version tbh. I have both and although you need to add more gain to the passive version I think it sounds a bit nicer and plus it is much less expensive than the rare earth. I highly recommend the sub n’ up, tracking is perfect. I used to have the OC3 but haven’t looked back since getting the TC pedal
Cheers for the info Thomas, much appreciated. I just had a look at the Sub n'Up, sounds great. My 0C3 has been through the wars so it might be time for an upgrade! Cheers man 🎸👍
Hey Thomas, I've been looking at the Sub'N'Up. Is it the standard version or the mini version that you have? Would be ideal to keep my pedal board as small as I can for touring but if it's the 'Sub 2' function that is needed I'll just get the standard version. Any info would be great. Cheers.
@@aodancoynemusic Hey Aodan, I’m using the standard Sub n’Up but if you don’t want the option to drop down a second octave (which I never use) then the mini will do you just fine! If you’re ever around Galway city and want to try it out, shoot me a message 👌
It is really helpful. I've been wondering what gauge and make of string you prefer. Or is it it just anything that's on hand. I finger mediums give a great deep dark tone that works for me. Just wondering
Hey Daniel, When I have the money I get Elixir mediums, either nanoweb or polyweb. They last the longest for me and sound great. I tend to snap a lot of strings when I'm gigging though, sometimes 2 or 3 per gig!...😬 So I go for the cheaper option of D'Addario phosphor bronze medium gauge.
I use the Ssoulmate T-Rex, curious what you think of ot.
Greet
Tom
😉 perfekt, dakujem
Rado sa stalo! 👍😀
What ACUS do you have these days?? Thanks
I've been using the Acus One-6T Wood since 2016. It's been great. I love having access to three channels (which I use to EQ my guitar, bass line & vocals). I can even make use of the 4th stereo channels by running RCA to 1/4 jack. It's a bit of a hack job, but it allows me to add my Stompbox (Porchboard or SPD1) into the mix, which doesn't need EQ. So it's an ideal little amp for my solo shows and you can sent the direct out to front of house. Although in the last few weeks I'm starting to hear a bit of a buzz out of it.. But, I got 8 years of good use with it being clean as a whistle. If I was to upgrade now, I'd probably go for one of the AER amps.
Awesome video. I’m just not sure why you need a mute switch?
Hi Finn, when I run the extra line out from the bass channel into the octave pedal the signal from that line will always be on without a mute switch. Even when the octave pedal is in the off position there is still a direct (non octave) sound coming from the pickup. For me and my setup it just makes the guitar tone sound really unbalanced. I have other guitarist friends with similar octave setups and they all seem to add a mute switch into the chain just for that reason. When I was starting out with this setup I did just use the octave pedal alone, and it really wasn't until I had a few soundmen complaining about a residual hum from the pedal when it was in the off position that I started paying notice... So the mute switch addition solves all that trouble. I hope that helps. I'd say maybe try it out with just the octave pedal alone and see what you think yourself, it might work fine for your setup. What gear are you using at the mo?
@@aodancoynemusic right now I'm using a Martin DX1RAE with an LR Baggs Venue. Because we're a trio (no bass player) I'm looking at getting the Boss OC-5 as I believe players report the tracking to be a bit better.
I'm going to try the horizontal pickup for the bass strings into the octave pedal. Makes sense to take out the dry signal so you just have the isolated wet signal to work with on separate track in the PA.
Thanks for the inspiration. 🙏
Does it work with classical Pop Chords like G C Em D (could you hear the bass on this string?) Because i have a problem with the OC-5 while playing some Chords (for example: When playing a G-Chord you can also hear higher Notes which are octivated)
Thanks!
Yes, this method separates the signals, so the full chord can be heard from the guitar line, along with having the octave note ring out from the bass channel. Hope that helps!
Thank you and which jack socket do you use?
Hi, and many thanks; would this be useful for standard tunng too, please?
Hi ClarinetSaxful. Ya, I do use it with standard tuning as well and find that it can work well. You just have to be a bit more conscious of when to apply it and what bass notes you want to highlight in each song/tune. The use of palm muting helps a lot in Standard also because it can get a little bit muddy sounding if you're not subtle with it. DADGAD tuning allows a bit more freedom with those open chords to ring out. I'd say give it a try and see what you can make of it. Let me know how you get on! 👍
@@aodancoynemusic Many thanks Aodan.
Hi Aodan. I'm using an L R Baggs M1 on a Taylor Big Baby. It's fitted conventionally ie vertically and it's clear as a bell, but I'm struggling to stop the B string ringing and when fingerpicking I have to be mindful of that and adjust my playing. Tries lowering the poles on the B and high E and offsetting the pickup a little, also turning down the high frequencies when recording or playing live through a Zoom Four X pedal. Frustrating to keep getting that ring on the B string in particular. Would be grateful for any recommendations. Cheers.
Hi Jack, I've seen people use the M1 and actually take out all the poles except for the low E and A just so the high tones don't ring out like that.. That would probably sort things for you but some pople might find that to be a bit overkill seeing as the M1 is pretty pricey. It used to happen on one of my guitars and I turned down/ played around with the OC-3's polly range level. Setting it at just past the 12 o'clock rage rather than the 3 o'clock range sorted the issue for me without loosing too much off that bass tone. You said you tried turing down the high frequencies also, so they would be the three things I'd try to fix the issue. Hope that helps. Let me know if you find a good solution as it might be handy for others. Cheers!
@@aodancoynemusic I have to say that's a fantastic, and tbh unexpected response mate. Thank you very much. Agree about the overkill aspect of removing several poles, but I suppose it will be worth trying maybe one at a time, I guess. Will let you know as and when I complete the operation. Thanks again, and keep up the good work.
Hi @@aodancoynemusic I did get around to removing just the B string pole piece, and it's sure softened the general tone of the guitar. No need for further surgery at the moment, but I guessSo thanks for the advice and the new thinking on that particular problem. Cheers! Keep up the good work,
Quilter for my di box.
Cab Sim off for my acoustic...
Thanks, I hadn't heard of the Quilter Phantom Block Pre Amp/Cab Sim before. Looks like a good size for a di box to tour with. I might have to test one out! Cheers.
How about the boss oc5? Have you tried before?
Hi, sorry about the delay in reply. I've been away on tour for the last while. Regards the OC5. I haven't actually tried it myself. But I've heard from a lot of guitarist who use this setup that it just doesn't sound or respond/tracks as well as the 0C3. I've had my OC3 for at least 9 years and I've gigging it hard and it's still working great. I highly recommend it. But if you got the OC5 let me know how you find it. I do intend on trying it out myself at some point and seeing the difference myself.
Anyone know what settings on Boss OC-5 to get same sound as you have with the OC-3
Hi Peadar, I haven't used the O-C5 myself, I've heard the tone is a bit different from the O-C3 and the tracking is a little iffy. But as I said, I haven't tried it myself. That said, that settings I would try would be Direct level to zero, set the Poly function on, put the -1 OCT level to around the 3o'clock. I don't think the +1 Oct level would sound great for this setup so I'd probably put that to zero. Then I'd test out the -2 Oct range to see what that sounds like. If it didn't sound too bad I'd set it to a level that isn't too in your face. And if it didn't sound great I'd just set it to zero also. Hope that helps. Let me know how you get on. I must get my hands on one and give it a go.
The Range knob on the OC-5 does basically the same thing as placing a humbucker underneath the low D and A strings without actually doing that. It's ideal!
@@markindigois the separation of strings accurate or still muddy?
Great sound. Could u also share the diagram? Pretty cool. Cheers.
Sorry about the delay in reply. I've been away on tour and just catching up on things now. I don't actually have a diagram for this setup I'm afraid.
Where I can watch the video that you used in 00:17
Hi Achref Roubhi, this is the beginning of a song I wrote called 'Chance & Gamble' it's taken from my second album 'Gaps Between Stars'. Here's the full music video - th-cam.com/video/Wg0kyV3rRnw/w-d-xo.html 👍 I might create a guitar lesson for it shortly as a few people have been asking for it 🎸
@@aodancoynemusic wow that's super super great ♥️🎵😭😭😭🎸🎸💪💪💪♥️
Cheers! Glad you like it 😃👍I checked out your channel, really excellent stuff 👌🎸Labrinth and Drifting Clouds are great
@@aodancoynemusic thank you very much brother. ♥️🎸💪🎵🎵
SUBMARINE PICKUP!!!
Have you tried one out? I just found out that they have a new model that seems a lot more solid and stays in the sound-hole 👌 I might give it a go
@@aodancoynemusic I have one and love it. I had to work a little to get it positioned and mounted properly, but it was worth the work.
Ah that's good to know. The new version looks much sturdier. Hopefully I'll get to give it a go myself at some point soon 👍
Is it the humbucker version you use of the rare earth aodan
Hi, I've tied out both the Fishman rare earth single coil and humbucker. If I was to go with one I'd pick the humbucker. But I've also tried both of the cheaper options, the Fishman Neo-D Single Coil and Neo-D Humbucker. They both do the job pretty well also, although I'd still lean towards the humbucker version. Hope that helps. I'm just after getting the new updated version of the Submarine pickup called the submarine pro. It's working well for me so far and sounds great.
What kind of taylor are you using in this
Hey Evan, it's a Taylor GS Mini. Really handy size guitar for touring, I've never had hassle with getting it on planes etc. The acoustic sound out of it is decent for its size, but it's the inbuilt pickup that's great to link with the LR Baggs Venue. It's a solid combo.
@@aodancoynemusic the finish is gorgeous. Is it the mahogany or koa model? (I say finish - is it a laminate?)
@@FionnPatrick Yes it's a solid Koa body. I love it 👌
It sounds like you have a bass player with you
Sounds the same 😂
🤔 If your listening from your phone you probably won't hear the bass end kicking in. If you play it through some speakers that have decent bass end it's there. Here's a live recording of the bass pedal kicking in at 0.44 th-cam.com/video/NNaAR871eP0/w-d-xo.html 👍
Yeah, what are you talking about. It’s night and day.
Could have used more sampke sounds