Can I Learn The Chromatic Button Accordion In 5 Days?
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The more people here play buttons accordions, the more demand there will be.
It is really worth the effort, if you love this instrument. It will open a new world for you of possibilities.
I made the switch a couple years ago after 18 months on piano accordion and never looked back. Like you said, it is much harder to find them in North America. I’ve had to buy mine from sellers in Europe. On the plus side I’m now way less tempted to acquire any of the more plentiful PA boxes!😊
I just have to say that seeing how in love with music and this instruments you are is really heartwarming and motivating !
Thank you for that
As a piano accordion player, I’ve always wanted to learn the chromatic accordion. Appreciate this post!
I was TERRIFIED of not being able to do it, but it's VERY doable :)
Piano accordion is chromatic!
Congratulations! From a piano accordion player from Romania! Well done with learning this wonderful instrument!
I just want to say that I'm happy that teacher Ronnen is playing a button accordion and that he likes it.
I play piano, diatonic, and the Steiriche (diatonic). I was a pianist first. Diatonic follows the same learning curve you outlined. I’m tempted to also learn the chromatic button accordion as many of my favourite accordionists are chromatic button accordion players, but I think the lack of learning resources puts me off. What attracts me to it is that you get more notes in a smaller form factor. The 120/41 that I have is unmanageable for me (I’m in my 60s), so I usually play a 37/96. The advantage of the chromatic button box is that you can have essentially the same versatility of the 120/41 but with a much smaller size and lighter weight. Love your videos, by the way. (Edited: Also, B and C System chromatic button accordions are ridiculously expensive compared to similar piano accordions - up to double the price, so there’s that as well.)
Good afternoon. In Russia, the chromatic accordion is called Bayan. It is considered a folk instrument. And much more common than the piano accordion. And there are a lot of such accordions (accordions) that are cheap, not new. I bought myself a not new one for $10. I repaired it.
Они все называются CBA - Chromatic Button Accordion, но бывают разных систем. Баян системы B. На видео система С. Первый и третий ряды поменяны местами. Вы молодец, что смогли сами отремонтировать! Удачи в творчестве!
A piano accordion is also chromatic of course.
I have been playing somewhat amateurishly for 20 years. I started with a piano accordion, about 10 years ago I switched to chromatic. And now I'm starting to experiment with the free-bass system. However, finding reasonable materials for a chromatic free-bass accordion, that is a challenge. 😁 But so far this combination seems like something I should have learned immediately. From my current perspective, the only real reason to do otherwise is not knowing there is such a possibility. 😁
Hey! That’s a nice accordion. I moved from the piano accordion to the chromatic button accordion about 3 months after I had started learning and I love the CBA. I accidentally bumped into one being sold on the market place near where I live and I went and saw it, without even knowing what that was. Here in northern Mexico, diatonic accordions are the most common ones, and some people play piano accordions but as you said, almost none will play a CBA, let alone sell one or teach you lessons about it. I told the man I would investigate and if I found out that it was a good option for me, being new to accordions in general, I would come back and buy it, and I did! I transferred the few 5-tune melodies I had learned so far on the piano accordion to the CBA in a couple days and I have not gone back to the piano one ever since. What I love about the CBA is that now I can effortlessly change the key note of any of the melodies I know, and play it! All I have to do is find the bass buttons and change the starting position on the 5-row keyboard and go!
That is such a great story! Congrats! I'm on the hunt for one, but yeah, hard to find a decent one in Canada on Marketplace :)
@@moshezuchter I am actually selling the first one I bought, the thing is, I’m in Mexico. I then purchased a second one with more register options, a Paolo Soprani. That second one I bought it on eBay, from Germany! I believe I have a video of each one of them on my channel, in case you want to take a look. The black one is the first one I bought and it has 4 registers with 2 full Mussette ones, and 2 registers on the bass side. It looks like brand new, even though it was made in 1950.
@@MrFlames01 I saw a video of your new Paolo Soprani. Sounds beautiful!!
I switched some years back and don't regret it. I really appreciate the layout, although like every instrument it takes time and new compromises. :) (I learned B-system)
This Dino Baffetti is a total beauty. We really don`t see them to often here. Up here the button B-system seems to be kind of a standard, beside the piano system. The button B or C system is supposed to be a little bit more tricky to learn, being not that intuitive then the piano layout. But once learned, you will play easily in any key, and playing two or three vioces feels all natural. Nice video😀
Just think of a piano keyboard cut 3 by 3 notes and put diagonally going from the top of the instrument towards the bottom. Start using the first 3 rows, the 4th and 5th (and sometimes 6th) are repeats of the outer 2 (or 3) rows. With the C-griff the C is on the outer row, we go right to left and down in the notes progression. With the B-griff the C is in the third row and we go left to right. One important aspect of the chromatic keyboard is that it is "isomorphic", meaning that a fingering can be transposed to play the same note sequence in a different key just by moving your hand on the keyboard!
I have piano acc, two row diatonic and 5 row c system acc. I find once a tune is learned it is so easy to transpose to other keys as you play the same finger pattern just starting on another button. When I first started I was able to do difficult passages that I couldn’t do on my piano acc.
Yeah! Transposing on the CBA seems to be much easier... just shifting the hand over :)
Hi Martin! Greetings from London!
Thank you for sharing your 'first practice ' experiences of a 'chromatic'. I've just invested in a Roland FX-1b (the 'b' means chromatic 'button').
I already play a D/G Castagnari Melodeon - so this is my next step. Your 'intro' lesson has been a) inspiring and b) the best first lesson for everyone. You say you have come from a keyboard discipline and it has been a joy to learn a new instrument. I come from a 'fiddle' and 'tin whistle' discipline - and I believe all the ornaments on both fiddle and whistle are more easily acquired on a chromatic button accordion. Thanks for your amazing analytical inspiration! Warm regards from London!
Hi Charlie! Thanks for the lovely comment :) Hi from Canada 👋
Even if you want an acoustic accordion, the Roland is a great way to experiment with different layouts and different sounds - it is all switchable. Even has free bass, if you want.
Great thanx for the video! 🎉 It was interesting for me who tried a piano accordion after B system bayan. Now I love them both.
@moshezuchter i fell for the accordion back in NOV 2023 when I was in Germany and saw a street busker playing an amazing violin concerto. I went down a rabbit hole and was overwhelmed with the choices in accordions and wasnt ready to make a decision or spend a lot of money so I ended up with an anglo concertina.
Ive been learning the concertina for a couple months but hearing all the amazing things that are being done on chromatic instruments such as your channel are really making me realize that the limitations of the concertina do not suit what I want to do and Im ready to upgrade instruments with a decent budget. I can get trade in credit and have a line on a nice vintage Scandalli CBA. I could equally choose piano but feel drawn to the CBA.
Your channel has been an inspiration for me and Im wondering if I have a CBA will I still be able to apply the lessons from Accordion Love?
Hey hey! So, yes, there are a few students on Accordion Love that have a CBA. The lessons on musicality will apply more than the lessons on fingering technique, as an example. For scales, triads, arpeggios, etc. I would go with a CBA specific book or guide. For all other things music related, Accordion Love will work great across instruments 😊
Good video!
I own an Italian made very high grade CBA for sound and feel and also a Roland FR-1x for practice. I'm a mulit-instrumentalist and I want to learn the accordion. Such a great instrument!
I have one. I need to get back into it. I am just a beginner, but I did enjoy it. Just javent touched it in quite a while. Consistent practice has always been hard especially when alone/just online.
I usually always start out on the middle (3rd) row when playing anything. It's just how I taught myself and I started out figuring it out with an app on my Kindle fire.
If you learn the C scale on the first three rows, then you can simply move your starting position and play all 12 scales with the same movement of the fingers, the same pattern. That’s if you have a 5-row chromatic. If you have a 3 row one, you have to learn 3 different scales so you can play all 12. Having a forth row repeating the first one, and a fifth row repeating the second one, is like adding a capo to a guitar, that’s what makes it possible to use the same pattern to play all 12 scales. Learning that is what made switch from the PA to the CBA. It will be easier tor me to learn new melodies, regardless what key tone they are in.
Very interesting video...thank you very much for sharing it...🪗🌹
Hi Ronen, I purchased my first accordion today. As Shakespeare wrote, "The game is afoot". 😂 It's a $200 dollar wreck but other than the bass register selector being on the fritz, it can outplay me any day, LOL. Finally I have something in my hands to start practice with the unfamiliar left hand. The case is warped a little on the back causing a bellows leak but a bit of rubber cement silenced the culprit. I know, I know, heresy... but the problem is fixed. At least I can start practicing scales in both hands. Oh hey! Also ordered a Lutheran hymnal so I can start exploring chorale harmonies. I have no idea what this accordion is, other than it's stamped "Made In Italy" and was subcontracted to a local Milwaukee music store... probably back in the 60's... and for $200 at least I have something in my hand to start learning. Lutheran 1958 hymnal on the table, incredibly small ladies' model accordion in my hands (yeah, I got out a leather punch to make some room for my shoulders)... I'm finally making the big leap. Your videos helped a bunch and one day when I have some semblance of mastery I'll buy a proper instrument but for now, I'm having a blast! Best regards, Mark in Milwaukee.
I played piano accordion for about 20 years and switched to the chromatic button accordion about six years ago, haven't gone back to the former and never will. My right hand is in a more comfortable position and the octave stretch isn't nearly as far for my smaller hands, also the pattern is the same for every key played in.
My (uneducated!) understanding it that the really big advantage of button is that the patterns for scales & chords are the same in all keys. Much like Stradella bass. I've been playing keyboards way too long to bother switching at this point ... but there are times when I wish I had.
Yeah! For sure that's a huge advantage. Switching keys without having to think about it 😊
@@moshezuchter You should get a lesson from Martin's on-site instructor while at his store ... I understand she is more than good :) BTW, I'm loving FR-8X I got from him!
I also noticed the difference in the chromatic accordion (bayan). On it you can learn 1st scale, arrlicature. And then simply moving to the desired key, change the key. Playing with the same fingering. But on the piano accordion, it doesn’t work that way in the right hand, I’m looking for a way, but I haven’t found it yet. It turns out that on the piano accordion you need to learn each scale separately?
Yes, on the piano accordion each scale and chord is different, but you eventually find similar shapes and forms so that it's easy/easier to switch between keys and chords.
Thanks, I'll practice. According to my feelings, after the chromatic accordion, there is a feeling of lightness on the piano accordion. The fact that the notes are located in a row makes it easier to select melodies by ear.
This leaflet provides on page 50/164 a cheatsheet of different layouts of button accordions
Uh oh. A new addiction! Have fun!
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It takes many hours to dedicate to learning. A method book also helps, but from what I've noticed on TH-cam videos, French accordionists have a different technique than Italians. The French rarely use the thumb in contrast to the Italians. I think the technique of the Italians is closer to the technique of the piano keyboard.
Hi Ronen, I've been watching and enjoying your videos. Many years ago I majored in music (composition) and I'm dangerously close to diving into the world of accordion. I'm curious about the chromatic system... did you reach a point where you were able to graphically visualize the notes on the keyboard as you would with a piano? For example, if I mentioned a C7 chord, your mind would instantly create the visual intervals on a piano keyboard. The reason I'm asking this is because if I do acquire an accordion I'll want to read simple music (such as hymnal songs) and if it's crazy hard to visualize the intervals and the note locations on the keyboard that might be a little bit frustrating. Sorry for the long comment but I've been watching lots of your videos and I've just about talked myself into taking the plunge 🙂
Hey, great question! So, as a piano player, my fingers and mind are so linked... so if I see a C7, my right hand knows exactly what to do and can choose between the three chord voicings. On a button accordion, I started to visualize the scales and note positions, but it would take a few months for me to get that muscle memory in. So I guess it depends on whether you've played a piano before - if so, a piano accordion may make more sense. If not, it's totally up to you depending on what's available in your area :)
@@moshezuchter Thanks for your reply, I know you're probably a busy fellow. I passed (barely) basic piano requirements which at that school, just meant being able to play from a hymnal. From what you've described, sounds like I might do best with a piano model. Love all your videos.
You can try first with an iPad. I bought a CBA app, and it can switch from B system to C system. The positions of the fingers are definitely different but if you buy a five-row one, you’ll find out that once you learn your first scale you’ll know all 12 scales at once!
What a hellish device. I tried one one time and I was like bbbut why is there buttons on both sides haha.
🤣🤣🙌
Hi, do you teach online private lessons?
Hi Elena, currently I don't offer private lessons but teach through my website, AccordionLove.com
I am a professional pianist and just learn accordion for fun - I don’t need any help with theory or right hand. If you are available for a lesson or two to fix the body position and bellows techniques, please let me know
Piano accordions are also chromatic; it's called a button accordion
You're right!! Chromatic Button Accordion!
Yes, but still, they are called piano accordions, and these button accordions are usually called chromatic accordions for short (instead of chromatic button accordions) to distinguish them from diatonic button accordions.
I will never go back to the piano accordion!
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B griff >>>>>>>>>>>>>
I went on a similar rabbit hole last year. I played all of Palmer Hughes book 1 on my CBA. But I decided to stick with my piano accordion because of reasons that might not apply for everyone.
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Piano accordions and piano accordion resources are just so readily available here in North America.
Of course a piano accordion is also chromatic !
💯 correct. Chromatic *button* accordion 😃
Saying "chromatic" for a button accordion is mostly to distinguish it from the various "diatonic" button accordions that are used in a lot of folk music. They are a completely different instrument - each key has a different note on push and pull, like a harmonica. Some of them can play a chromatic scale, too - so I'm not sure why "chromatic" is the distinguishing term 🙂
Lol go to Bosnia Croatia or Serbia then it'll be cheap
💯💯 I would love to!!
What is that awful musette tuning? Yikes! You'll have to wring out your shirt using a musette that wet! That's what? Almost a minor second out? Nails. on. a. chalkboard!
Right??? I usually love true musette - three middle reeds - but this one didn't jive with me, either.
@@moshezuchter It's on some of these LMMM instruments - the "tremolo" musette setting, marked with two dots wide apart and a "T". To me, it means avoid - I do not know how it would ever be used musically :) I think it is there because it can be 😆