I do not agree with your 'not compatible with eurorack' conclusion. I've hooked it up with the Shared System and it works great. I had great fun with Maths, WoggleBug and Rene. Triggering it with a Rene gate requires a trigger/gate to both AD inputs and there you go. You can't sync the internal LFO and clock, but there's so much you can patch from the outside. Wonderful machine.
"not compatible" is not true, of course, but it is far from what one would expect from a modern module. cannot have: attenuators for FM inputs, manipulation of the ringmod, resonance control, balances of the mix and the filter inputs.... In modern days you would expect (for example): a clocked change of FM amount for freaky stuff. Both not doable: not timebased (cannot clock the LFO with my ext. seq clock) and no mod input for FM attenuation.... you get the point.... this is why I argue, it is not what would have been possible, it is an outdated (cv) design. still, lovin it :)
@@denovaire you mention that it's not what youd expect from a modern module, but that's the point - it's not a modern module. It's 50 years old. It may be a modern clone, but it was always meant to be an authentic copy. All 2600 clones are the same in that respect. Most people get a 2600 because they want a 2600 for it's own qualities rather than as an oversized Eurorack module. I have a modest eurorack setup and use bits of the 2600 and other semimodulars where I don't yet have modules that perform these functions yet. I'm getting a Disting EX to take over some of these functions but find that the 2600 plays very nicely with what I have. A clockable LFO would be nice, but if I have a clockable LFO in the rack, I can patch that into the 2600 and job done. In most cases, using the 2600 for it's oscillators is a big thing for me but there is so much available to use utility wise that adds to my euro setup.
I like the additional functionality. The slider for pitch cv to filter, the extra oscillator outputs. I wish the reverb was better, I may swap it for a blue or gray in the future to get the true spring reverb sound. I wish they had made the internal clock syncable so the switch can be synced up, but overall it’s a fine sounding synth.
Old comment, but I realize the appeal of the original Arp 2600 (at least a great aspect of it's appeal) was the spring reverb...however, I often use third-party reverb, either VST or you can use hardware, to pair with synths. That's not just unique to the BARP 2600, either...I mean I tend to use additional off-board reverb, delay or w.e. for most synths/guitars w.e. anyway.
You answered an important question I had. I ordered a B2600 in December from company X. They kept pushing back delivery into mid June. I was able to find one from company Y so bought it. I still have the other one on order, and started wondering if it would be worth it to get the second, patch them together and make some sort of monster 2600. But from what you're saying, it really wouldn't work out like I hope. Thanks for this bit of information that may save me a nice chunk of money.
I was so impressed with the B2600 that I bought a second unit and MIDI'd them together for a Monster 6 VCO multi timbral beast! It plays just fine with my large Eurorack system.
@@denovaire not exact . The 2600 have more a dry sound it reminds me a bit on the Waldorf Pulse (mk 1) sound . The Odyssey sounds more musical until now .
@@uvoikimovundutrauerblume3302 hmm... what is a "musical" sound? Maybe, thewnadling is more or less intuitive and performative/"musical" but the sound... maybe more pop/rock or more experimental... music is so widespread, abstract and not definable... just thinking :)
@@denovaire well i m from the Industrial Electronic Body Music direction ( Ntrsn and Ex Vomito Negro ) and the 2600 is good for this industrial style . My Odyssey have more brilliance . Maybe the filters or the oscillators i don't know it's different .
of course it is! But not in an extent, the dozens of cv jacks would let you suspect. Most functions are not cv controllable. Mostly, it can take different audio signals in the path... more than hooking up with (external) cv.
@@denovaire I see, that's good to know. I don't think it's mentioned in the manual. It would be interesting to know which parameters are not cv controllable and how you use it in combination with your Eurorack system.
I think the main call out is that the input jacks are inputs that get mixed, the sliders don’t have cv input as an alternative. The solution is the same for eurorack - you use a VCA module to do that then feed that in to your signal input. You’d just need a lot of external VCAs if you wanted to cv every slider! 😊
nice video :) if the b2600 is based on the original i guess u could implment (on diy base) all features from TTSH (like sync vco, trigger booster, some other fixes they corrected google search ttsh mods) for lfo evolfing stuff the ring mod has a audio/dc switch so this could act as vco like lfo to ring in 1 env out to ring in 2 ..ring out to e.g filter env :) should do the trick
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I do not agree with your 'not compatible with eurorack' conclusion. I've hooked it up with the Shared System and it works great. I had great fun with Maths, WoggleBug and Rene. Triggering it with a Rene gate requires a trigger/gate to both AD inputs and there you go. You can't sync the internal LFO and clock, but there's so much you can patch from the outside. Wonderful machine.
"not compatible" is not true, of course, but it is far from what one would expect from a modern module. cannot have: attenuators for FM inputs, manipulation of the ringmod, resonance control, balances of the mix and the filter inputs....
In modern days you would expect (for example): a clocked change of FM amount for freaky stuff. Both not doable: not timebased (cannot clock the LFO with my ext. seq clock) and no mod input for FM attenuation....
you get the point.... this is why I argue, it is not what would have been possible, it is an outdated (cv) design.
still, lovin it :)
@@denovaire you mention that it's not what youd expect from a modern module, but that's the point - it's not a modern module. It's 50 years old. It may be a modern clone, but it was always meant to be an authentic copy. All 2600 clones are the same in that respect. Most people get a 2600 because they want a 2600 for it's own qualities rather than as an oversized Eurorack module. I have a modest eurorack setup and use bits of the 2600 and other semimodulars where I don't yet have modules that perform these functions yet. I'm getting a Disting EX to take over some of these functions but find that the 2600 plays very nicely with what I have. A clockable LFO would be nice, but if I have a clockable LFO in the rack, I can patch that into the 2600 and job done. In most cases, using the 2600 for it's oscillators is a big thing for me but there is so much available to use utility wise that adds to my euro setup.
I have 12 hardware synths; the 2600 is the only one that really challenges and surprises me again and again. I ❤️ it.
oh cool! its just a classic for a reason I guess
Thanks for your video, man!! This is exactly what I was looking for - I love this
I like the additional functionality. The slider for pitch cv to filter, the extra oscillator outputs. I wish the reverb was better, I may swap it for a blue or gray in the future to get the true spring reverb sound. I wish they had made the internal clock syncable so the switch can be synced up, but overall it’s a fine sounding synth.
yea, I guess I am missing a clockable LFO and an external trigger possibility for the ADSR most. But, still it's awesome :)
@@denovaire you can trigger the adsr from external signal. I’m sure of it.
@@danpreston564 both together, the AR, but not the ADSR (they stuck to the 14V from the original!!!, thus it is not achievable with eurorack)
Old comment, but I realize the appeal of the original Arp 2600 (at least a great aspect of it's appeal) was the spring reverb...however, I often use third-party reverb, either VST or you can use hardware, to pair with synths. That's not just unique to the BARP 2600, either...I mean I tend to use additional off-board reverb, delay or w.e. for most synths/guitars w.e. anyway.
@@denovaire you can add 10v to any CV with the voltage processor making a +5v CV +15v
You answered an important question I had. I ordered a B2600 in December from company X. They kept pushing back delivery into mid June. I was able to find one from company Y so bought it. I still have the other one on order, and started wondering if it would be worth it to get the second, patch them together and make some sort of monster 2600. But from what you're saying, it really wouldn't work out like I hope.
Thanks for this bit of information that may save me a nice chunk of money.
Keep us updated, if you may decide for two units! Would be interesting, still :)
I was so impressed with the B2600 that I bought a second unit and MIDI'd them together for a Monster 6 VCO multi timbral beast! It plays just fine with my large Eurorack system.
I bought one and my first impression is i love more my Odyssey, need more time with it .
they are quite alike, I guess ...
@@denovaire not exact . The 2600 have more a dry sound it reminds me a bit on the Waldorf Pulse (mk 1) sound . The Odyssey sounds more musical until now .
@@uvoikimovundutrauerblume3302 hmm... what is a "musical" sound? Maybe, thewnadling is more or less intuitive and performative/"musical" but the sound... maybe more pop/rock or more experimental... music is so widespread, abstract and not definable... just thinking :)
@@denovaire well i m from the Industrial Electronic Body Music direction ( Ntrsn and Ex Vomito Negro ) and the 2600 is good for this industrial style . My Odyssey have more brilliance . Maybe the filters or the oscillators i don't know it's different .
thank you, nice video
yo, thanks Robert!
What an outstanding video ! your conviction is amazing ! and your arguments are solid.... and great points.
thanks, dear :)
But you CAN alter most of the params by CV. Wrong levels? use the pre-amp
Nice idea!
Cool video, thanks for the info!
ur welcome!
I own one .
Yes
Fun
Sounds great
You will be pleasantly surprised vs price point .
still happy with mine :) never gets old
Thanks for the helpful info about the lack of integration with eurorack.
thanks for watching!
Wait, did you say that it doesn’t play well with other Eurorack modules?!
it does, but it's jsut not what you'd expect from a modern synth (with so many cv out- and inputs)...
Wait so it's NOT compatible with Eurorack??
of course it is! But not in an extent, the dozens of cv jacks would let you suspect. Most functions are not cv controllable. Mostly, it can take different audio signals in the path... more than hooking up with (external) cv.
@@denovaire I see, that's good to know. I don't think it's mentioned in the manual. It would be interesting to know which parameters are not cv controllable and how you use it in combination with your Eurorack system.
@@MarcoLongoMusic yea, best is to check out an in-depth review of B2600's functions
I think the main call out is that the input jacks are inputs that get mixed, the sliders don’t have cv input as an alternative. The solution is the same for eurorack - you use a VCA module to do that then feed that in to your signal input. You’d just need a lot of external VCAs if you wanted to cv every slider! 😊
@@MattMcArdell thank you for answering. What do you mean by inputs that get mixed? Like internally?
nice video :)
if the b2600 is based on the original i guess u could implment (on diy base) all features from TTSH (like sync vco, trigger booster, some other fixes they corrected google search ttsh mods)
for lfo evolfing stuff the ring mod has a audio/dc switch so this could act as vco like lfo to ring in 1 env out to ring in 2 ..ring out to e.g filter env :) should do the trick
thanks! will try :)
Short answer: YES!!!!!
exactly :)
I want one but I gotta get a monopoly first
also really interesting, the monopoly!
another guy who clearly spends far too much time thinking about his “hair” that they really don’t learn that much about anything else…..
thanks, I think my hair is awesome and the setup and the sound... kinda sucks... maybe I sell my gear and open a haistyling saloon. Thanks so much for the inspiration :)