I love how a whole alternate history timeline is made for this one ship class. They basically said to themselves “Might as well go the full mile with creativity and possibilities.”
500 sub special... and seeing the channel at 222k subs now. You deserve them Drach! Quality content of the highest tier! Edit: 10 months later he's at 313,000 subs!
Eight years later and you are the first history channel to get 100 million subscribiers, and the first one to have ships named after him. Simply amazing!
Q&A: You mentioned in one of your Drydock episodes that the Nelson was a relatively efficient design; how efficient would you say the Richelieu and the Dunkerque compared to the Nelson as ships with their main armaments concentrate around the bow? What are the design advantages and disadvantages between the early Richelieus compared to a more conventional layout like that of the Gascogne?
Hey. Congratulations to you and your fantastic channel. You have just accumulated one more subscription as I humbly and promptly subscribed when I was made aware that you actually have relatively small following here. Anyway, best luck.
Suggestion For A Ship To Review: HMS Frisky. While she carried no guns and her tenure with the Royal Navy was short, under the red Canadian ensign this small ship and crew gave outsized value to the Allied cause during World War II by providing deep-sea salvage support to convoy vessels damaged by gunfire, torpedo hits, collisions, gales and other hazards. Thanks, de AC4AQ
Actually, at war's outbreak Foundation Franklin (ex-Frisky) was equipped with guns, the armament consisting of two rifles. One crewman said "We could hold off a herd of seals if they got real ornery-like".
429k subscribers as of this comment. If i may speak in the language of the internet, a very poggers pepega dab moment indeed. Heres to 500k and then all the other milestones after!
well a suggestion for another alternative history: what is it with the H- class of german BBs (Z plan)? there are some dubious informations floating around on the internet and the most silly one talked about H 44 designed with bulkheads for nuclear warfare I know i is ridiculous but while we´re talking about german engineering here, we just might have a good laugh at it. So, how realistic were the plans for the H-class? Would they have been of any real use or just waste of resources? Were the designs up to date for their year of planning? Also what about the guns of like half a meter of caliber? - Realistic or german nonsense design?
well, but one thing, Rheinmetal didn't develop a 48cm gun but a 45cm gun, like it was planned with actually (although not know for a long time, that's why so many still say 48cm) pretty much everything H42 and up was just design studies if it was actually theoretically doable
his source is the book: "Schlachtschiffe und Schlachtkreuzer 1921-1997" (or to english Battleships and Battlecruisers 1921-1997) by Siegfried Breyer, but only in the new version, not the old ones
H-39 was quite realistic. Just an enlarged Bismarck. The design was finalized and even laid down (though cancelled almost immediately afterward). H-41 was just the next step up from that, and still fairly plausible. H-43 and H-44 were purely design studies, with no actual consideration of building them. They were just to appease typical Hitler fantasies.
Design suggestion for another alternate history. (This might be difficult because I can't remember the source.) Kaiser Wilhelm II suggested designs for armored cruisers and pre-dreadnought's. He created top down drawings like you have made in the Rule the Waves game software. I don't know if the Kaiser suggested gun calibers for his ships, I just remember they had lots of guns and wing turrets.
Wow! That was some serious design time to up the development process on my 455mm/50cal triple turret. I got some competition to out gun. Seriously had I found this channel before I would have loved to submit a design. Drachinifel, is this going to be the subs threshold special from now on? I quite like it. Props to the dev of that design, liked the turtle back with AoN.
33m beam?? If this was to be ordered by the Kaiserliche Marine then it would surely meet the maximum beam requirements of 30m to allow the ship to travel down the kiel canal..
There is a game out now where you can design and fight with your own ship designs. Forget the name. A cool contest would be to host a battle between two winners of an in-game design.
Nicely written background, and a fun ship. Would the turtleback deck - AoN belt combination be useful in reality? Seems like a neat idea, but also seems like something that, if it were useful, someone might have thought of in reality as well. Then again, someone might have, and I just don't know about it.
If you intend to go full min-maxing on it, then it's not an ideal combination. The turtleback was included for flavors sake, as I couldn't think of any German capital ships that didn't have one in some form or another, save for the never-built Mackensens. That said, the strengths of a turtleback would be more beneficial to a battleline slugger like this, backed as it would be by a RN-rivaling Hochseeflotte, than on the real life, lone surface raiders which would be screwed if they took any hits that slowed them down in the slightest.
I have been watching your videos for a couple months now and you have the best videos on warships on youtube. I have a question for the Drydock, I was doing research on the Mogador class destroyers and discovered that there was further developments for the class in the Kléber class and the Bruix class, however I couldn't find any information on the Bruix class destroyers. Is this a real class or not?
It is conjecturaly real. The Kleber class was ordered, and a follow on class to a modified Kleber design was also authorised following them. One of those was name Bruix, so although I cannot fond anything definitively calling them Bruix class destroyers in a quick search of my sources, a distinct class of destroyers including Bruix were planned, so we might as well call them by that name.
Q&A, but might be already answered; do you use Discord? If so, is there a server people like us can use to chat about ships? Also could you send the link to the ship design to the video so others can mess around and make their own ships?
Drachinifel I’ve helped run another server before, but this would be new for all of us I bet. Granted I’m in the US so time zones are a thing, but it might help us here as you’ll have someone helping to manage over your night, IE: most of my free morning. It could work...
Drach you really really really really really should do one on admiral Gunther lutchens exclusively. He was the best and most honorable leader in the kriegsmarine
Hey Drachinifel, found your channel recently and am loving all your content. I live very close to the USS North Carolina, if you want pictures or clips shot for a video sometime, let me know!
How did she fare during Hurricane Florence? Were there crew on board to handle lines as the surges came in? I can't think of a safer place to witness a hurricane than on her bridge with everything battened down. I toured her years ago for four hours and wanted even more but my wife & mother in law were getting quite ansty.
She’s firmly seated in the river bottom, so she’s not going anywhere. I haven’t gotten back down to see her but from what I heard she passed through undamaged.
While a battleship is a lot better than a mobile home to ride out a hurricane, Katrina in 2005 did quite a bit of damage to the USS Alabama. She's still a floater and, even though she got extra lashings before the storm hit, she shifted almost 75 feet within her anchorage and shipped enough water to develop an 8 degree list. That list is still slowly being corrected today as the water is being pumped out. Her masts, radar antennas, general upperworks had quite a large amount of superficial but still expensive damage. The large hanger and outdoor aircraft display was nearly totally destroyed. There was a volunteer crew and their families aboard, and they describe it as pretty scary experience. If you're anywhere near Mobile, a visit to her is almost mandatory for ship nerds. You can see more sections of the ship and more of her equipment than any other museum battleship.
Hi Drachinifel I’m part of a wows clan Elite Navel Forces do you have any issue with me posting your videos on our web site as a history in navel warfare forum I’m putting together.
I am amazed how you sound just like a friend of mine from the 1950s ! He was interested in the British army instead of the Royal Navy ! Thank you for your very well done videos. Btw, Bayern is pronounced "BY ern" without accent on the end syllable. Besides, there was No Kaiserliche Marine in the 1920s and 1930s nor such ships, so is this a Fun Vid ?
I apologise for the long answer but I did have a good long think about this design and I do have serious doubts about this ship as it has the same displacement and armament as the Nelson class but is also 3 knots faster considering the weight saved in the Nelson by having all the guns forward and thus a much smaller armoured area a ship with a conventional ABX layout as shown in this ship and used on other treaty BBs like the KGV and the NC would have to have considerably less armour. If you look at the treaty battleships you will see that the faster treaty battleships when compared to the Nelsons had to sacrifice either Armour, Firepower or both to keep under the limit this can bee seen when you compare the protection and armament of the KGV to the Nelsons (10 14 inch guns instead of 9 16s and the deck dropping from a max of 6.25 inch to 5.88 and turret faces dropping from 16 inches to 12.75 inches) as well as when you compare the Armour of the North Carolina class BBs to Nelson (Nelson having 14 inch belt compared to NC's 12 and NC having a maximum of 5 inches of Deck armour NC was significantly worse armoured than KGV and both had less armour the Nelson) or the Nagato that sacrificed 1 16 inch gun and a lot of armour to maintain 25 knots whilst being 39000 tons in reality, only the Yamato Class BB had more armour the Nelson class. This design is simply too good for 1921 and could not have been built within the limits of the Washington treaty it shows none of the sacrifices other ships had to make to stay within the limit. Personally with the technical limitations of1921 and the size limitations of Washington the the only way I could think a ship could be under 35,000 tons and travel at 26 knots (3 Knots faster than the Nelson) whilst being armed with 9 16 inch guns in an ABX layout would be to have an armour protection of a Belt of around 12 inches and the deck of 3-4 inches max and turret faces of about 12-13 inches) Armour levels slightly but not significantly better than HMS Hood (better belt by 1 inch better deck by 1 inch and more evenly spread out but worse turret facings) but without the Hoods extra 5 knots and being 10,000 tons lighter than Hood. Such a BB would be a death-trap in any WW2 era situation as that level of Armour couldn't stand up to a BL-15 Inch Mark I on he QEs or Hood without serious risk, let alone the BL 16-Inch Mark I of the Nelson or the 16/45 of the American ships. Let alone the areal threat. In a fight against any of the other 4 main treaty era BBs Nelson it could run away from but it could not stand up to the punishment given out by. Nagato it could defeat and both KGV and the North Carolina could not only dish out levels of punishment the Wotan couldn't survive they could easily outlast the Woten in a fight and would be fast enough to force any engagement on its terms as they could out run it if needed or close the distance. A much more likely layout would be that would allow survivable armour levels and would follow the German practice of having smaller guns but heavy armour would be to use triple 38 cm SK L/45 guns (same guns as used on the Bayern) at which point it would be launching a shell of 750 kgs only 30 kgs more than the 114 inch guns on KGV but with one less gun, 129 kg less than the 15 inch guns on the QE's R's Hood Renown and Repulse but with one more gun and 180 kgs less than the 16 inch shells of the Nelson (19% smaller) and the 1200 kg shells of the American 16/45 would be a whole different ball game being 40% bigger. Eve using the smaller guns you could only feasibly increase the belt to 14 inches a deck of 4.5 inches and turret faces of 14 inches if you wanted to get 26 Knots such a ship would be an improvement over the Bayern and would be better than the QE and the Nagato but would still be the 2nd weakest of the interwar era BBs.
Thing is, it doesn't have the same armament as the Nelson. 15 vs 16 inches. It also sacrifices significant amounts of deck armor compared to all other treaty battleships, and have less well-protected turrets than most. Main armor belt is thicker, but not inclined, so it'll be both less efficient and lighter for the same thickness as the Nelsons belt. Nelson was designed for 23 knots, but were known to surpass this quite handily, with Rodney doing 25 on worn machinery during the hunt for the Bismarck. I also think you overestimate how much shorter an ABC turret layout make the armored citadel, as it's still sizeable on the Nelson. While the Wotan has its fair share of trade-offs, it's still an overall strong design, but probably not unrealistically so in a hypothetical world where the Germans have caught up with or even surpassed the Brits in naval engineering and shipbuilding, which was the premise I was working with.
They were built before the Washington Naval conference weren't they? Cos I believe the King George V class were our compromise ships, 10 ,14" guns weighing no more than 35000 tonnes? Also did you know that there is a 1/4 size model of the Yamato in Kure or is it Kobe?
The wonderful thing about custom dreadnought types is that you can have lots of guns on it and it will look normal. I know someone who made a design that looked like SMS Kaiser with extra rear turrets like those on Wyoming and pre-refit Ise. Also, if you'll do another one, where do I submit it? I'm interested. #qna Edit: spelling
I think I've watched most of your videos now but don't recall any about German raiders. How about one on the Wolf from WWI and either the Atlantis or Pinguin from WWII?
When this video popped up I was baffled: SMS Wotan - did the imperial German navy have a Wotan? The funny fact is it actually had, sort of: SMS Odin. Odin/Oden is the nordic name for Wotan (or Woden if you prefer the English name) so you would rather expect a ship with that name in the Danish, Swedish or Norwegian navies. Indeed the Swedish navy had a HM Pansarbåt Oden at the time, a ship remarkably similar to SMS Odin actually. I have no idea why the Germans elected non-german names for Odin and her sister SMS Ægir (as Jane spelled the name, SMS Ägir sounds a more probable spelling to me; either way it's the old norse sea god).
Not as far-fetched a ratio as you might think. From the top of my head, both Nelson and South Dakota are pretty darn close. Rodney managed 25 knots when chasing the Bismarck, so it's not out of the question that a design with over 30,000 more horsepower could make 26.
"The individual ships dimensions varied slightly from design values. For example, South Dakota herself had waterline length of 666 ft 0 in (203.00 m), overall length of 680 ft 4.25 in (207.372 m), and beam of 108 ft 1.5 in " - U.S. Battleships: An Illustrated Design History by Norman Friedman. Sorry mate, I'm going with Friedman over random stranger on TH-cam.
Well, @@fyorbane, referencing The Drydock #31, It's quite possible that 22 knots was the maximum standard speed of HMS Rodney... But in the chase of the Bismarck, it doesn't take much to envision the captain commanding Full Speed Ahead, meaning "tear up the ship if you have to, but put that bitch under my guns!" Or some such words.
Do you have any book recommendations? Things regarding why ships were designed they way they were, and stuff on manufacturing. I also remember hearing about a book on carriers from a guy named ichase, but i forgot the authors name (not sure if you can help with that part).
D.K. Brown and Norman Friedman would be my got recommendations. In my opinion Brown gives a better general overview and then doves in to very specific issues that are quite unique insights. Friedman gives a lot more general details about the technology on the ships themselves, so is generally more technical, but lacks some of the insights Brown has, which is understandable as he is a historian look back whereas Brown was someone who helped actually build the ships and talked to those who designed earlier vessels.
Why couldn't he have been sent to the still active Eastern Front (Russia doesn't bow out until Oct and Poland and the other Eastern front enemies are still at war with Germany even after that)?
Just out of pure curiosity, have you ordered the 3d model of the Puerto Rico Class, if not then I would like for you to change my request for a video about the ship class history particularly the ones I prefer for the class due to my own bias the Puerto Rico and the Philipeans with added history fake facts and addeding more history for the ships by involving them during ww1 rather than not.
The reason Zimmerman never got his telegram out was because his wife happened to hear too much talk about Peace in the East _(Friede im Osten,)_ and misinterpreted it as _Frieda im Osten._ Neighbors reported overhearing Frau Z complaining often about Herr Z's dalliances, and this misunderstanding didn't help things. "Frieda im Osten, Freja im Norden, 2 Angela im Süden, and last week's trash is still in the kitchen." Long story short, ol' Z decided it was time to stop servicing foreigners. He resigned his position in short order, and the couple bought an orchard in the country, where Frau Z could better manage the apples that Herr Z's nose got stuck between.
Hmmm, I like the alternate histories bit, but I feel it this presentation detracts from the channel to present them in this format. This sort of thing should be done as more of a special and in a dissimilar format to the guides to prevent crossover confusion to those who are just learning about warships.
Hence why I tagged it. :) This video and a few others due to come are from the 500 sins design competition. The prize for winning a category was a feature video on their ship design. :)
Indeed I noted that, I would however changed the title so that it was more explicit that it is fan fiction. I know you mention it early in the video, but the title should qualify that there is no historical basis. Paper or otherwise. I vaguely knew about the competition, but titleing the episode with the ship name first lends itself to being assumed the ship is more historical or at least an existing paper ship design that is obscure and interesting.
@@Drachinifel much better. I know I probably sound quite picky, but your historical videos are great for finding out about ships. I'd hate for the sequence to be spoiled by people getting the wrong impression between fan fic and supposition based on documentation. Keep up the good work, and am looking forward to the next ship!
can you make a second channel for warplanes like F4U, A6M2-5 zero`s and zekes, and focke-wolf 190 aswell as bomber like the focke-wolf 200 condor, G4M1-3 bettys and nells, and HP 51 handly page
They used three-gun turrets for the 11-inch guns on the ostensibly-treaty-compliant Deutschland and Scharnhorst classes. For a full-scale battleship built to the 35,000-ton limit, the weight saving is too tempting to pass up.
1. Germany simply could not build anything larger than the H-39 class in any reasonable time frame, especially when you consider both the production of guns and high speed machinery. Add in the demands of a large air force and navy and the limitations of such shore infrastructure such as slips, dry docks and the Kiel Canal, these fantasy ships are just that. 2. The continuation, initially, of the protection system of the "Baden" in H-39 and H-41 shows the German Navy did not understand the improvements in effective range that aerial spotting and later, radar fire control would provide. This system of armor was designed for North Sea engagements at "close" ranges, below 15,000 yards, where the majority of the hits would be broadside and not deck. Over 15,000 yards, the percentage of hits on the deck and the penetration angles of shells improves, so that deck armor becomes far more important than belt armor, as the Germans realized with the deck armor of the H-44, which was also a reaction to the steady increase in the size of AP bombs. many fan designs or fanboy support of large capital ships ignore the limitations of industrial infrastructure. For instance, until 1937, Japanese shipbuilders were limited to a launch displacement of 40,000 tons. After a massive effort between 1933 and 1937, this was raised to 55,000 tons. Anything larger than this would not fit on any slip or in any dry dock in Japan until 1965. Even more, the IJN was limited to four high power (~150,000shp) machinery installations every eighteen months. It could lay down two "Yamatos" and two "Shokakus" but nothing else until those slips were clear and the machinery delivered. This is why no more heavy cruisers were completed except IJN Ibuki from 1939 and 1945. The machinery installations were going to the "Unryu" class medium fleet carriers. Britain faced similar restrictions on ordnance and machinery, so it chose aircraft carriers over heavy cruisers from 1937 on (these restrictions existed in 1921, when there were only four building slips available to build G3 and N3 class capital ships with and none able to build ships larger than these designs).
Two and a half years later and you’re closing in on 250,000 subscribers. I hope you take genuine pride in the channel you’ve created.
Closing in on 400k now. Quality content.
I hope, he does not forget his 500k sub special 😇
3 years later he reached 500k subs
I love how a whole alternate history timeline is made for this one ship class. They basically said to themselves “Might as well go the full mile with creativity and possibilities.”
2 years, 2 months later, and getting close to 200.000 subscribers!
Close to 250k
@@jannegrey damn you beat me to it by 5 hours 🙃
Edging up to 400K ! Whoo who!!🍻
80,800 subscribers and counting.
WE LOVE YOU, UNCLE DRACH! =)
135K+ as of April 2020 :)
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171k in September 2020!
207k on December 5th, 2020. :D
224k Jan 28 2021
You've come a long way bubby! You're a great youtuber and an amazing source of entertaining knowledge.
500 sub special... and seeing the channel at 222k subs now. You deserve them Drach! Quality content of the highest tier!
Edit: 10 months later he's at 313,000 subs!
246 here 😂
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pretty insane how fast the channel grew
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Eight years later and you are the first history channel to get 100 million subscribiers, and the first one to have ships named after him. Simply amazing!
Damn man. I'm so happy to see how big your channel gotten since I found you 4 years ago.
173 thousand. Keep up the most excellent content, I look forward to your content every week especially during these uncertain times.
Watching June 19. Approaching 50,000 subscribers. Keep up the content!
52,000
Tankfest had a Operation SandLion event.
Sudden boost :D
approaching 90k right now!
Q&A: You mentioned in one of your Drydock episodes that the Nelson was a relatively efficient design; how efficient would you say the Richelieu and the Dunkerque compared to the Nelson as ships with their main armaments concentrate around the bow? What are the design advantages and disadvantages between the early Richelieus compared to a more conventional layout like that of the Gascogne?
Hey. Congratulations to you and your fantastic channel. You have just accumulated one more subscription as I humbly and promptly subscribed when I was made aware that you actually have relatively small following here. Anyway, best luck.
Suggestion For A Ship To Review: HMS Frisky. While she carried no guns and her tenure with the Royal Navy was short, under the red Canadian ensign this small ship and crew gave outsized value to the Allied cause during World War II by providing deep-sea salvage support to convoy vessels damaged by gunfire, torpedo hits, collisions, gales and other hazards. Thanks, de AC4AQ
Actually, at war's outbreak Foundation Franklin (ex-Frisky) was equipped with guns, the armament consisting of two rifles. One crewman said "We could hold off a herd of seals if they got real ornery-like".
429k subscribers as of this comment. If i may speak in the language of the internet, a very poggers pepega dab moment indeed. Heres to 500k and then all the other milestones after!
Like the use of the "Psycho" theme
well a suggestion for another alternative history:
what is it with the H- class of german BBs (Z plan)?
there are some dubious informations floating around on the internet and the most silly one talked about H 44 designed with bulkheads for nuclear warfare
I know i is ridiculous but while we´re talking about german engineering here, we just might have a good laugh at it.
So, how realistic were the plans for the H-class?
Would they have been of any real use or just waste of resources?
Were the designs up to date for their year of planning?
Also what about the guns of like half a meter of caliber? - Realistic or german nonsense design?
well, but one thing, Rheinmetal didn't develop a 48cm gun but a 45cm gun, like it was planned with actually (although not know for a long time, that's why so many still say 48cm)
pretty much everything H42 and up was just design studies if it was actually theoretically doable
sry, wasn't Rheinmetall, it was Krupp
his source is the book: "Schlachtschiffe und Schlachtkreuzer 1921-1997" (or to english Battleships and Battlecruisers 1921-1997) by Siegfried Breyer, but only in the new version, not the old ones
but as I said, the new versions, not the old ones, it changed
H-39 was quite realistic. Just an enlarged Bismarck. The design was finalized and even laid down (though cancelled almost immediately afterward). H-41 was just the next step up from that, and still fairly plausible.
H-43 and H-44 were purely design studies, with no actual consideration of building them. They were just to appease typical Hitler fantasies.
Impressive! Within a year and a half, you’re now over 100k
Good morning from Detroit. Great job as always
Design suggestion for another alternate history. (This might be difficult because I can't remember the source.) Kaiser Wilhelm II suggested designs for armored cruisers and pre-dreadnought's. He created top down drawings like you have made in the Rule the Waves game software. I don't know if the Kaiser suggested gun calibers for his ships, I just remember they had lots of guns and wing turrets.
This channel deserves more subs.
Wow! That was some serious design time to up the development process on my 455mm/50cal triple turret. I got some competition to out gun.
Seriously had I found this channel before I would have loved to submit a design.
Drachinifel, is this going to be the subs threshold special from now on? I quite like it.
Props to the dev of that design, liked the turtle back with AoN.
When @Drachinfel released this video, he was approaching 5,000 subscribers. 27 months later, he’s past 210,000. Not too bad!
Especially for a relatively arcane topic like this!
Four Years later and you are at 432'000 subscribers. What's the plan for half a mil?
33m beam??
If this was to be ordered by the Kaiserliche Marine then it would surely meet the maximum beam requirements of 30m to allow the ship to travel down the kiel canal..
QA, what if it had been a G3 battlecruiser in force Z rather than the Repulse
Dat RTW2 ship editor... love that program for naval nonsense
Wow in the last 5 months you only have 5000 subs... Now you have 30k plus.. Good job
There is a game out now where you can design and fight with your own ship designs. Forget the name. A cool contest would be to host a battle between two winners of an in-game design.
Since the premise is that Germany didn't lose WWI, what ships would they use to protect their colonies against the Japanese?
Nicely written background, and a fun ship. Would the turtleback deck - AoN belt combination be useful in reality? Seems like a neat idea, but also seems like something that, if it were useful, someone might have thought of in reality as well. Then again, someone might have, and I just don't know about it.
It seems a slight evolution on Bismarck's protection in real life. So would likely have similar strengths and weaknesses.
If you intend to go full min-maxing on it, then it's not an ideal combination. The turtleback was included for flavors sake, as I couldn't think of any German capital ships that didn't have one in some form or another, save for the never-built Mackensens. That said, the strengths of a turtleback would be more beneficial to a battleline slugger like this, backed as it would be by a RN-rivaling Hochseeflotte, than on the real life, lone surface raiders which would be screwed if they took any hits that slowed them down in the slightest.
Someone's been playing Rule the Waves 2 :P
That's RtW1 :p
251k now! Impressive! :)
188K subs! Keep up the great work.
Grats on 500 subs
10 days late but happy anniversary of 500 subs, as you're now on 78.2k, would be poetic if it was 78500 but ah well :D
I have been watching your videos for a couple months now and you have the best videos on warships on youtube. I have a question for the Drydock, I was doing research on the Mogador class destroyers and discovered that there was further developments for the class in the Kléber class and the Bruix class, however I couldn't find any information on the Bruix class destroyers. Is this a real class or not?
It is conjecturaly real. The Kleber class was ordered, and a follow on class to a modified Kleber design was also authorised following them. One of those was name Bruix, so although I cannot fond anything definitively calling them Bruix class destroyers in a quick search of my sources, a distinct class of destroyers including Bruix were planned, so we might as well call them by that name.
Thank You
Keep going close to 250k
Q&A, but might be already answered; do you use Discord? If so, is there a server people like us can use to chat about ships?
Also could you send the link to the ship design to the video so others can mess around and make their own ships?
Mr. Vridiantoast that ship design editor is part of the game Rule the Waves, I think the game costs a bit but idk
Don't have a Discord at the moment, might look into setting one up.
Drachinifel I’ve helped run another server before, but this would be new for all of us I bet. Granted I’m in the US so time zones are a thing, but it might help us here as you’ll have someone helping to manage over your night, IE: most of my free morning. It could work...
Drach you really really really really really should do one on admiral Gunther lutchens exclusively. He was the best and most honorable leader in the kriegsmarine
Sadly, I've never found any use for 'alternate history'.
What about the idea of the battle of Lepanto?
I assume the old dreadnoughts scrapped would have been the Nassau class?
as we close in on 5,000 subs....
he's got 217K now 😃
Hey Drachinifel, found your channel recently and am loving all your content. I live very close to the USS North Carolina, if you want pictures or clips shot for a video sometime, let me know!
How did she fare during Hurricane Florence?
Were there crew on board to handle lines as the surges came in?
I can't think of a safer place to witness a hurricane than on her bridge with everything battened down.
I toured her years ago for four hours and wanted even more but my wife & mother in law were getting quite ansty.
She’s firmly seated in the river bottom, so she’s not going anywhere. I haven’t gotten back down to see her but from what I heard she passed through undamaged.
While a battleship is a lot better than a mobile home to ride out a hurricane, Katrina in 2005 did quite a bit of damage to the USS Alabama. She's still a floater and, even though she got extra lashings before the storm hit, she shifted almost 75 feet within her anchorage and shipped enough water to develop an 8 degree list. That list is still slowly being corrected today as the water is being pumped out. Her masts, radar antennas, general upperworks had quite a large amount of superficial but still expensive damage. The large hanger and outdoor aircraft display was nearly totally destroyed. There was a volunteer crew and their families aboard, and they describe it as pretty scary experience. If you're anywhere near Mobile, a visit to her is almost mandatory for ship nerds. You can see more sections of the ship and more of her equipment than any other museum battleship.
What if the Royal Navy realized anglo-german treaty wasn't going to work and instead of the King George v class they built the Lions.
The royal navy still sucks
Atleast it isn't the russian navy
242K Easter '21 and I expect 250K up by June.
I dont know what's going on but that is the Bismarck,who can not know the Busmarck from any angle.
She's a bit low in the water - notice the lower set of bow "portholes" :P
Wow 5,000 subscribers only s year ago. I'm glad I found your.channel I love it!
Wait, you're using Rule the Waves II and got the image creator system to work? Damn...
Is 4:44 a real app. If so how do I download it?
Why dont you choose one or two days on the month to make a fan design\idea\something competition? could be fun
Hi Drachinifel I’m part of a wows clan Elite Navel Forces do you have any issue with me posting your videos on our web site as a history in navel warfare forum I’m putting together.
Go for it!
That’s brill thankyou very much
Can't wait to see a belly button fight.
I am amazed how you sound just like a friend of mine from the 1950s ! He was interested in the British army instead of the Royal Navy ! Thank you for your very well done videos. Btw, Bayern is pronounced "BY ern" without accent on the end syllable. Besides, there was No Kaiserliche Marine in the 1920s and 1930s nor such ships, so is this a Fun Vid ?
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I apologise for the long answer but I did have a good long think about this design and I do have serious doubts about this ship as it has the same displacement and armament as the Nelson class but is also 3 knots faster considering the weight saved in the Nelson by having all the guns forward and thus a much smaller armoured area a ship with a conventional ABX layout as shown in this ship and used on other treaty BBs like the KGV and the NC would have to have considerably less armour. If you look at the treaty battleships you will see that the faster treaty battleships when compared to the Nelsons had to sacrifice either Armour, Firepower or both to keep under the limit this can bee seen when you compare the protection and armament of the KGV to the Nelsons (10 14 inch guns instead of 9 16s and the deck dropping from a max of 6.25 inch to 5.88 and turret faces dropping from 16 inches to 12.75 inches) as well as when you compare the Armour of the North Carolina class BBs to Nelson (Nelson having 14 inch belt compared to NC's 12 and NC having a maximum of 5 inches of Deck armour NC was significantly worse armoured than KGV and both had less armour the Nelson) or the Nagato that sacrificed 1 16 inch gun and a lot of armour to maintain 25 knots whilst being 39000 tons in reality, only the Yamato Class BB had more armour the Nelson class. This design is simply too good for 1921 and could not have been built within the limits of the Washington treaty it shows none of the sacrifices other ships had to make to stay within the limit. Personally with the technical limitations of1921 and the size limitations of Washington the the only way I could think a ship could be under 35,000 tons and travel at 26 knots (3 Knots faster than the Nelson) whilst being armed with 9 16 inch guns in an ABX layout would be to have an armour protection of a Belt of around 12 inches and the deck of 3-4 inches max and turret faces of about 12-13 inches) Armour levels slightly but not significantly better than HMS Hood (better belt by 1 inch better deck by 1 inch and more evenly spread out but worse turret facings) but without the Hoods extra 5 knots and being 10,000 tons lighter than Hood. Such a BB would be a death-trap in any WW2 era situation as that level of Armour couldn't stand up to a BL-15 Inch Mark I on he QEs or Hood without serious risk, let alone the BL 16-Inch Mark I of the Nelson or the 16/45 of the American ships. Let alone the areal threat. In a fight against any of the other 4 main treaty era BBs Nelson it could run away from but it could not stand up to the punishment given out by. Nagato it could defeat and both KGV and the North Carolina could not only dish out levels of punishment the Wotan couldn't survive they could easily outlast the Woten in a fight and would be fast enough to force any engagement on its terms as they could out run it if needed or close the distance. A much more likely layout would be that would allow survivable armour levels and would follow the German practice of having smaller guns but heavy armour would be to use triple 38 cm SK L/45 guns (same guns as used on the Bayern) at which point it would be launching a shell of 750 kgs only 30 kgs more than the 114 inch guns on KGV but with one less gun, 129 kg less than the 15 inch guns on the QE's R's Hood Renown and Repulse but with one more gun and 180 kgs less than the 16 inch shells of the Nelson (19% smaller) and the 1200 kg shells of the American 16/45 would be a whole different ball game being 40% bigger. Eve using the smaller guns you could only feasibly increase the belt to 14 inches a deck of 4.5 inches and turret faces of 14 inches if you wanted to get 26 Knots such a ship would be an improvement over the Bayern and would be better than the QE and the Nagato but would still be the 2nd weakest of the interwar era BBs.
Thing is, it doesn't have the same armament as the Nelson. 15 vs 16 inches. It also sacrifices significant amounts of deck armor compared to all other treaty battleships, and have less well-protected turrets than most. Main armor belt is thicker, but not inclined, so it'll be both less efficient and lighter for the same thickness as the Nelsons belt. Nelson was designed for 23 knots, but were known to surpass this quite handily, with Rodney doing 25 on worn machinery during the hunt for the Bismarck. I also think you overestimate how much shorter an ABC turret layout make the armored citadel, as it's still sizeable on the Nelson.
While the Wotan has its fair share of trade-offs, it's still an overall strong design, but probably not unrealistically so in a hypothetical world where the Germans have caught up with or even surpassed the Brits in naval engineering and shipbuilding, which was the premise I was working with.
Have you done a video about the Nelson class? I can't find it if you have.
Not yet but it is on the list to do. :)
They were built before the Washington Naval conference weren't they? Cos I believe the King George V class were our compromise ships, 10 ,14" guns weighing no more than 35000 tonnes? Also did you know that there is a 1/4 size model of the Yamato in Kure or is it Kobe?
@@chrisoliver4757 No. O3 class[Nelson class] were a redesigned G3 class built to the Washington treaty constraints of 35,000 tons.
His memory isn’t what it should be..... yeah no shit Drach, no shit. Lololol
I remember when you had 500 subs.
The wonderful thing about custom dreadnought types is that you can have lots of guns on it and it will look normal. I know someone who made a design that looked like SMS Kaiser with extra rear turrets like those on Wyoming and pre-refit Ise.
Also, if you'll do another one, where do I submit it? I'm interested.
#qna
Edit: spelling
I think I've watched most of your videos now but don't recall any about German raiders. How about one on the Wolf from WWI and either the Atlantis or Pinguin from WWII?
The latter two are on the list :)
Excellent. The Atlantis and Pinguin are two of the great sea stories of WWII.
I really liked this.
When this video popped up I was baffled: SMS Wotan - did the imperial German navy have a Wotan?
The funny fact is it actually had, sort of: SMS Odin. Odin/Oden is the nordic name for Wotan (or Woden if you prefer the English name) so you would rather expect a ship with that name in the Danish, Swedish or Norwegian navies. Indeed the Swedish navy had a HM Pansarbåt Oden at the time, a ship remarkably similar to SMS Odin actually.
I have no idea why the Germans elected non-german names for Odin and her sister SMS Ægir (as Jane spelled the name, SMS Ägir sounds a more probable spelling to me; either way it's the old norse sea god).
woton is the Germanic name for Odin Donnar is thor, fro is Frey
200m long, 33m wide? How many knots does it make, 15?
Not as far-fetched a ratio as you might think. From the top of my head, both Nelson and South Dakota are pretty darn close. Rodney managed 25 knots when chasing the Bismarck, so it's not out of the question that a design with over 30,000 more horsepower could make 26.
Eivind Helgetun South Dakota was 29m
"The individual ships dimensions varied slightly from design values. For example, South Dakota herself had waterline length of 666 ft 0 in (203.00 m), overall length of 680 ft 4.25 in (207.372 m), and beam of 108 ft 1.5 in " - U.S. Battleships: An Illustrated Design History by Norman Friedman.
Sorry mate, I'm going with Friedman over random stranger on TH-cam.
@@eivindhelgetun3254 Rodney could only manage 22 knots not 25.
Well, @@fyorbane, referencing The Drydock #31, It's quite possible that 22 knots was the maximum standard speed of HMS Rodney...
But in the chase of the Bismarck, it doesn't take much to envision the captain commanding Full Speed Ahead, meaning "tear up the ship if you have to, but put that bitch under my guns!"
Or some such words.
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what was the game used to make these designs?
4:10 is that a game?
Yep, its called Rule the Waves.
Do you have any book recommendations? Things regarding why ships were designed they way they were, and stuff on manufacturing. I also remember hearing about a book on carriers from a guy named ichase, but i forgot the authors name (not sure if you can help with that part).
D.K. Brown and Norman Friedman would be my got recommendations.
In my opinion Brown gives a better general overview and then doves in to very specific issues that are quite unique insights.
Friedman gives a lot more general details about the technology on the ships themselves, so is generally more technical, but lacks some of the insights Brown has, which is understandable as he is a historian look back whereas Brown was someone who helped actually build the ships and talked to those who designed earlier vessels.
Speaking of memory... who exactly are you again???
Why couldn't he have been sent to the still active Eastern Front (Russia doesn't bow out until Oct and Poland and the other Eastern front enemies are still at war with Germany even after that)?
Just out of pure curiosity, have you ordered the 3d model of the Puerto Rico Class, if not then I would like for you to change my request for a video about the ship class history particularly the ones I prefer for the class due to my own bias the Puerto Rico and the Philipeans with added history fake facts and addeding more history for the ships by involving them during ww1 rather than not.
Can do, just drop me the history you want included :)
@@Drachinifel Thanks, I will start making the history for the ships.
Why do I see this emoji ?
woah drach used to have only 500 subs
Watching this at 88000 subscribers. Do I get a prize?
Fun Fact SMS mean Her majesty ship in German
Come a whole since 500 now drach
Nice
500 sub special, and you are at 4.9k subs?
Combination of rapid channel growth and a busy schedule
saw the thumbnail thought this was a navyfield video 💀
Just realized this was posted today (facepalms) anyone have links to these images..so....much.....detail (that and Wotan is fun to say)
A very interesting ship. I don't think it would have been very healthy to go against it............lol
Road to 250k :)
The reason Zimmerman never got his telegram out was because his wife happened to hear too much talk about Peace in the East _(Friede im Osten,)_ and misinterpreted it as _Frieda im Osten._ Neighbors reported overhearing Frau Z complaining often about Herr Z's dalliances, and this misunderstanding didn't help things. "Frieda im Osten, Freja im Norden, 2 Angela im Süden, and last week's trash is still in the kitchen."
Long story short, ol' Z decided it was time to stop servicing foreigners. He resigned his position in short order, and the couple bought an orchard in the country, where Frau Z could better manage the apples that Herr Z's nose got stuck between.
Maybe a guide on the german bb Gober Kurfust (is that how it's spell ?😁)
Hmmm, I like the alternate histories bit, but I feel it this presentation detracts from the channel to present them in this format.
This sort of thing should be done as more of a special and in a dissimilar format to the guides to prevent crossover confusion to those who are just learning about warships.
Hence why I tagged it. :)
This video and a few others due to come are from the 500 sins design competition. The prize for winning a category was a feature video on their ship design. :)
Indeed I noted that, I would however changed the title so that it was more explicit that it is fan fiction. I know you mention it early in the video, but the title should qualify that there is no historical basis. Paper or otherwise.
I vaguely knew about the competition, but titleing the episode with the ship name first lends itself to being assumed the ship is more historical or at least an existing paper ship design that is obscure and interesting.
@@keptinjack better?
@@Drachinifel much better. I know I probably sound quite picky, but your historical videos are great for finding out about ships. I'd hate for the sequence to be spoiled by people getting the wrong impression between fan fic and supposition based on documentation.
Keep up the good work, and am looking forward to the next ship!
can you make a second channel for warplanes like F4U, A6M2-5 zero`s and zekes, and focke-wolf 190 aswell as bomber like the focke-wolf 200 condor, G4M1-3 bettys and nells, and HP 51 handly page
My only gripe is you don't say reigning world super power united states' empire of socialism and communism, every time you mention the modern USA
U got in a YEAR 155k subs
The Wutang Clan? lol
I know it's Wotan. There will probably be someone who doesn't get it as a joke and try to correct me.
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Oh Drach, making a 500 subscriber video when you have 5000 subscribers.
The Germans adopting three gun turrets on battleships? They didn't even do that with the Bismarck/Tirpitz. I call bullshit.
They used three-gun turrets for the 11-inch guns on the ostensibly-treaty-compliant Deutschland and Scharnhorst classes. For a full-scale battleship built to the 35,000-ton limit, the weight saving is too tempting to pass up.
@@bfrobin446 yeah okay granted, but those were "merely" 11" guns.
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Bayerrrrn.
just Bayern
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It's like what if Bismarck didn't suck.
:)
1. Germany simply could not build anything larger than the H-39 class in any reasonable time frame, especially when you consider both the production of guns and high speed machinery. Add in the demands of a large air force and navy and the limitations of such shore infrastructure such as slips, dry docks and the Kiel Canal, these fantasy ships are just that. 2. The continuation, initially, of the protection system of the "Baden" in H-39 and H-41 shows the German Navy did not understand the improvements in effective range that aerial spotting and later, radar fire control would provide. This system of armor was designed for North Sea engagements at "close" ranges, below 15,000 yards, where the majority of the hits would be broadside and not deck. Over 15,000 yards, the percentage of hits on the deck and the penetration angles of shells improves, so that deck armor becomes far more important than belt armor, as the Germans realized with the deck armor of the H-44, which was also a reaction to the steady increase in the size of AP bombs. many fan designs or fanboy support of large capital ships ignore the limitations of industrial infrastructure. For instance, until 1937, Japanese shipbuilders were limited to a launch displacement of 40,000 tons. After a massive effort between 1933 and 1937, this was raised to 55,000 tons. Anything larger than this would not fit on any slip or in any dry dock in Japan until 1965. Even more, the IJN was limited to four high power (~150,000shp) machinery installations every eighteen months. It could lay down two "Yamatos" and two "Shokakus" but nothing else until those slips were clear and the machinery delivered. This is why no more heavy cruisers were completed except IJN Ibuki from 1939 and 1945. The machinery installations were going to the "Unryu" class medium fleet carriers. Britain faced similar restrictions on ordnance and machinery, so it chose aircraft carriers over heavy cruisers from 1937 on (these restrictions existed in 1921, when there were only four building slips available to build G3 and N3 class capital ships with and none able to build ships larger than these designs).
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