Superb job Chris the video was with good explanation, however i want to know how to use position pins in the tool set of Divario Tools. I only know it is used when there is no back to the shelf. Kindly make 1 video considering the shelfs without back.
Thank you for that feedback, and sorry for the slow response here. I will consider that for a future video. However, you may want to consider the new 'Flexus' version of the Clamex connector for those applications. It is more adaptable and easier to machine and install in those situations.
150lbs of shear strength each? So, if you use 2 per side of a shelf, you could hold 600lbs of weight (ignoring whether the shelf itself is capable of supporting that much weight)?
Most importantly, the load ratings for the Divario connectors do not multiply in aggregate. I would definitely not recommend loading a standard cabinet box using common ¾” thick particleboard with that kind of weight. The load rating is measured at the connector itself and its strength rating diminishes the further away the load is moved from the center point. If you could evenly distribute (and maintain) a heavier load on a shelf so as not to exceed the weight rating for an individual connector then it is possible to have more weight on the whole shelf than one connector could hold individually. However, this depends on several factors. It is best explained by having a look at the chart on this spec sheet www.lamello.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Media/Verbinden/P-System/Divario_P_18/BA/9881633VS%20BA%20Divario%20P-18%20150302.pdf, or you could see pg. 34 of the full-line catalog. Since the measurements listed in these documents are in Newtons (N), the formula to convert to pounds is: N/10 X 2.2 = lbs.
Yes, you just need to overcome the 35 lbs of clamping force. Best method to remove a Divario shelf or partition is a few taps on the back edge of the shelf after the back has been removed. There is one finer point here too: You can adjust the holding strength of the Divario by making a micro-depth adjustment (th-cam.com/video/pWBwbKIw11k/w-d-xo.html). The Divario connector will work within a range of 0.5mm variance in depth of cut. The shallower the cut, the weaker the holding strength. The deeper the cut, the greater the holding strength and force required to remove the connector. An application like a mail room cubby project would be a great situation to reduce the depth of cut so that you don’t have to force the workpieces together or apart.
Colonial Saw Thanks for that. It’s really for test fitting I’m thinking of before I flat pack for the job sight. It’ll be before I fix the backing so access to tap it out from behind won’t be an issue. Just more concerned that doing so would damage the fitting. Good to know a 17.5mm cut can reduce the clamping force if required.
Hi I'm actually considering a lamello Zeta P2 machine, so thanks for the tutorial. One remark though; I think removing the friction tabs will be annoying in the end, every time you want to cut the slots. Do you think it is possible to make this machine with some sort of spring loaded holes, the spring pushes the tabs in their normal position, but with the option to drive the tabs into the holes with a simple screwdriver? Rather than pulling them out every time with a knife. I'm not a native English speaker, I hope my explanantion makes sense?
Hi Bart, thanks for watching. We actually get this suggestion quite frequently, but there are other things which would be sacrificed by having spring-loaded tabs. I would suggest what I tell every shop: to simply create the running slot using a ¼” wing cutter in a shaper or router table. Then you don’t have to remove the friction tabs since you’d only be using the Zeta P2 for the actual 18mm deep pocket where the connector goes. The video illustrates the complete process if you need to use the Zeta on site for all steps, but it’s the “harder way” of doing it compared to using a shop machine for the long slot. Hope this helps!
@@ColonialSaw thanks, it surely helps. Although imperial sizes are available in Europe, what would then be the required depth and width of the slot in metric sizes? (this is my last question - promised)
Another great solution from Lamello. Well done Chris - excellent video.
Thanks Patrick!! Appreciate the support!
Awesome video...thanks!
Fantastic, informative video. Thanks
You're welcome - glad it helped!
Superb job Chris the video was with good explanation, however i want to know how to use position pins in the tool set of Divario Tools. I only know it is used when there is no back to the shelf. Kindly make 1 video considering the shelfs without back.
Thank you for that feedback, and sorry for the slow response here. I will consider that for a future video. However, you may want to consider the new 'Flexus' version of the Clamex connector for those applications. It is more adaptable and easier to machine and install in those situations.
150lbs of shear strength each? So, if you use 2 per side of a shelf, you could hold 600lbs of weight (ignoring whether the shelf itself is capable of supporting that much weight)?
Most importantly, the load ratings for the Divario connectors do not multiply in aggregate. I would definitely not recommend loading a standard cabinet box using common ¾” thick particleboard with that kind of weight. The load rating is measured at the connector itself and its strength rating diminishes the further away the load is moved from the center point. If you could evenly distribute (and maintain) a heavier load on a shelf so as not to exceed the weight rating for an individual connector then it is possible to have more weight on the whole shelf than one connector could hold individually. However, this depends on several factors. It is best explained by having a look at the chart on this spec sheet www.lamello.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Media/Verbinden/P-System/Divario_P_18/BA/9881633VS%20BA%20Divario%20P-18%20150302.pdf, or you could see pg. 34 of the full-line catalog. Since the measurements listed in these documents are in Newtons (N), the formula to convert to pounds is: N/10 X 2.2 = lbs.
Can the shelf be pulled out again with some force like the Tenso?
Yes, you just need to overcome the 35 lbs of clamping force. Best method to remove a Divario shelf or partition is a few taps on the back edge of the shelf after the back has been removed. There is one finer point here too: You can adjust the holding strength of the Divario by making a micro-depth adjustment (th-cam.com/video/pWBwbKIw11k/w-d-xo.html). The Divario connector will work within a range of 0.5mm variance in depth of cut. The shallower the cut, the weaker the holding strength. The deeper the cut, the greater the holding strength and force required to remove the connector. An application like a mail room cubby project would be a great situation to reduce the depth of cut so that you don’t have to force the workpieces together or apart.
Colonial Saw Thanks for that. It’s really for test fitting I’m thinking of before I flat pack for the job sight. It’ll be before I fix the backing so access to tap it out from behind won’t be an issue. Just more concerned that doing so would damage the fitting. Good to know a 17.5mm cut can reduce the clamping force if required.
@@ColonialSaw Could you repost the link? It's not working...
Nice. Thanks
can you put another set of p-18 in the middle of a shelf say it's like 24" or more wide self?
Yes, the Divario halves will slide past each other until the final clamping moment for all of them.
Hi I'm actually considering a lamello Zeta P2 machine, so thanks for the tutorial. One remark though; I think removing the friction tabs will be annoying in the end, every time you want to cut the slots. Do you think it is possible to make this machine with some sort of spring loaded holes, the spring pushes the tabs in their normal position, but with the option to drive the tabs into the holes with a simple screwdriver? Rather than pulling them out every time with a knife. I'm not a native English speaker, I hope my explanantion makes sense?
Hi Bart, thanks for watching. We actually get this suggestion quite frequently, but there are other things which would be sacrificed by having spring-loaded tabs. I would suggest what I tell every shop: to simply create the running slot using a ¼” wing cutter in a shaper or router table. Then you don’t have to remove the friction tabs since you’d only be using the Zeta P2 for the actual 18mm deep pocket where the connector goes. The video illustrates the complete process if you need to use the Zeta on site for all steps, but it’s the “harder way” of doing it compared to using a shop machine for the long slot. Hope this helps!
@@ColonialSaw thanks, it surely helps. Although imperial sizes are available in Europe, what would then be the required depth and width of the slot in metric sizes? (this is my last question - promised)
@@bartloncke9359 Hi Bart, sorry for the slow response here. 10mm deep and 7mm wide
I realize Im kind of randomly asking but does anyone know of a good website to stream new series online ?
@Jimmy Dylan Flixportal =)
Much easier just to clamp shelf on flat desk then slide the machine on the desk - no fiddly marks needed
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